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Speaker 1: This episode of CZA is brought to you by Mitsubishi. Hello,

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Speaker 1: lovely yighborhood. I hope you're having a wonderful week. I

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Speaker 1: am absolutely buzzing from my first speaking event in person

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Speaker 1: in over a year and the most incredible Yeas of

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Speaker 1: Our Lives trip to Gippsland. You'll hear all about that

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Speaker 1: in next week's Yeas of Our Lives episode. So for now,

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Speaker 1: back to our regular scheduling. I had three different incredible

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Speaker 1: women who represent International Women's Day to me, but unfortunately

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Speaker 1: they've all had to postpone their recording, so you will

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Speaker 1: still hear from them over the coming weeks. But it

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Speaker 1: was also perfect timing for a re release of another

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Speaker 1: woman who I think every woman needs to hear from,

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Speaker 1: the inimitable tar And Bromfit. She is so many things,

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Speaker 1: but is perhaps best known for creating the twenty sixteen

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Speaker 1: documentary Embrace, that has changed mine, along with millions of

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Speaker 1: other women around the world's relationships with their bodies for

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Speaker 1: the better. Why is the timing so perfect? Well, Embraced

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Speaker 1: Among the many other things I'm sure Taran has been

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Speaker 1: up to since twenty nineteen, but most of her wisdom

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Speaker 1: is still as poignant now as ever, so I hope

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Speaker 1: you enjoy catching up. If you hadn't listened already, Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the Sees the Ya podcast. Busy and happy are

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Speaker 1: not the same thing. We too rarely question what makes

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Speaker 1: the heart seeing. We work, then we rest, but rarely

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Speaker 1: we play, and often don't realize there's more than one way.

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Speaker 1: So this is a platform to hear and explore the

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Speaker 1: stories of those who found lives they adore, the good,

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Speaker 1: bad and ugly, the best and worst day will bear

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Speaker 1: all the facets of seizing your yea. I'm Sarah Holloway

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Speaker 1: or a spoonful of Sarah, a lawyer turned funentrepreneur who

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Speaker 1: swapped the suits and heels to co found matcha Maiden

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Speaker 1: and matcha Milk Bar. Cesya is a series of conversations

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Speaker 1: on finding a life you love and f'lawing the self doubt, challenge,

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Speaker 1: joy and fulfillment along the way. Today's guest is one

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Speaker 1: over one hundred million people with her message about learning

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Speaker 1: to love your body. Tara and Brumfitt broke the Internet

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Speaker 1: where the aftershot was heavier and happier than the Lena

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Speaker 1: before shot taken during a bodybuilding competition when she was

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Speaker 1: Taran wrote a book and crowdfunded an incredible documentary, Embrace,

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Speaker 1: that is set to become Australia's highest grossing documentary ever.

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Speaker 1: She is now in the process of raising money for

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Speaker 1: the second film, Embrace Kids, and I couldn't be more

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Speaker 1: her and the cackles in this episode are next level.

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Speaker 1: Hope you smile as much as I did during our chat.

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Speaker 1: So this is how much Taran and I love each other.

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Speaker 1: So that's a picture of what's to come. Rest record,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Melbourne. I'm so so excited to have you here.

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Speaker 1: And you know, we've spent a really long time trying

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Speaker 2: Is great to finally get the same route what happened.

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Speaker 1: So before we kick off, I love to start ours.

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Speaker 1: Think everyone want the most down to earth things about them,

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Speaker 2: So I do try and put as many unglossy images

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Speaker 1: Well, anyone who hasn't followed you or you know, watched

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Speaker 2: But the problem was, if you remember, you know, way

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, I meant to be doing more than this.

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Speaker 1: what you wanted to do. That's the resounding theme of

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Speaker 1: I mean, your sister would be in the vast minority.

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Speaker 1: And part of figuring out where you want to be

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Speaker 1: So how did you then end up in photography?

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Speaker 3: Your research.

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Speaker 1: Don't get up and do the dad, But in my

435
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Speaker 1: head it was playing over.

436
00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:51,560
Speaker 2: But she wrote the forward and look, the book had

437
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:57,000
Speaker 2: incredible success in the US and Australia, but also it

438
00:22:57,080 --> 00:23:00,199
Speaker 2: wasn't enough. So I'm like, what can I do now?

439
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:03,679
Speaker 2: And I very nonchalantly one day sort of said, oh,

440
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:05,600
Speaker 2: just make a documentary, to.

441
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Speaker 1: Make a movie whatever, I.

442
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:08,560
Speaker 2: How hard could that be?

443
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:13,280
Speaker 1: And that's been two years later and the Coult sal Gods.

444
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:17,439
Speaker 2: I swear they just went. Let's cast cults are on

445
00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:21,359
Speaker 2: her face for two years for being so cocky. Yeah. Look,

446
00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:25,720
Speaker 2: I turned to Kickstarter to raise funds because no one

447
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 2: was going to invest in me. I've never made a film.

448
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:32,600
Speaker 2: I did think back then that being a photographer and

449
00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:36,120
Speaker 2: having an appreciation of how things should look creatively, if

450
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:40,439
Speaker 2: I mix that with my love of storytelling, then that

451
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:43,120
Speaker 2: equals a film. But she does.

452
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Speaker 1: Everybody, here is my film ingredients. Thank you.

453
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Speaker 2: But you know, this is the great thing about platforms,

454
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:57,000
Speaker 2: crowdfunding and like Kickstarter, that you can take bring your

455
00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:00,840
Speaker 2: crazy ideas to the table and if you can make

456
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 2: that connection, and my heart was all there, it always

457
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 2: will be. People could see the vision of the film,

458
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,200
Speaker 2: and you know, a few dollars here and there from

459
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:13,560
Speaker 2: eighty nine hundred and nine people, all of a sudden,

460
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Speaker 2: you know, we raised the funds and it was a

461
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 2: it was a sixty day campaign and set out to

462
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:23,320
Speaker 2: raise two hundred thousand dollars, hit that on day twelve

463
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,120
Speaker 2: and went on to raise three hundred and thirty one.

464
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 2: And that's when all the Ashton Kutch's and the Rose

465
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 2: O'donnalds and lots of celebrities came out and saw the

466
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 2: trailer that I'd made for that and got behind it,

467
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:41,480
Speaker 2: and it just sort of reached this this how would

468
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:45,600
Speaker 2: you describe it? It got like eight million views in

469
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,400
Speaker 2: the first week and then it just kind of took off.

470
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:50,399
Speaker 2: It had a life of its own. I think that

471
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 2: trailer and yeah, so made the film that look a bit.

472
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just made it, Yeah said.

473
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Speaker 2: Because I'm about to make another just trying to give

474
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Speaker 2: myself some self love. It's okay to make a film.

475
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 1: Yes, well you've done it once. I mean, like God,

476
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:10,560
Speaker 1: that is just from a photo in your house in

477
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:13,399
Speaker 1: Adelaide on Facebook, to your friends who you were just

478
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 1: literally thinking I was, to the people that followed you

479
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:19,119
Speaker 1: to a movie that people like Ashton Kutcher on, that

480
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,160
Speaker 1: is just I mean, how did that feel? I mean

481
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 1: along the way, were you just like what is happening?

482
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Speaker 2: A little bit? I mean I I don't actually spend

483
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 2: a lot of time introspectively, you know, considering and thinking

484
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 2: about it is my I'm always looking forward.

485
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, like do another movie before you stop and think

486
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Speaker 1: about it.

487
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 2: That's exactly exactly. But I will say, you know, when

488
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:43,199
Speaker 2: I often check my emails because I do a lot

489
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 2: of work in the US, and I in the morning,

490
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,200
Speaker 2: I see what's happening over there? And I had all

491
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 2: these messages from people like Ashton Cultcha, Ashton Kutcher, Ashton Kutcher.

492
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:53,879
Speaker 2: I'm like, what's going on with Ashton Kutcher? And then

493
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:55,680
Speaker 2: I read that he wrote this little blog about me,

494
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 2: and my husband was sleeping next to me, so I

495
00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:01,680
Speaker 2: was whacking him away. I was like, wake up, wake up,

496
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 2: Ashton could just blogged about me. I've still got it.

497
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:07,680
Speaker 2: He's like, shut up, down and go back to sleep.

498
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:11,680
Speaker 2: My dad taught me that people people are just people.

499
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:14,440
Speaker 2: We all come into the world the same, we all

500
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 2: leave the world the same. And I really do believe that.

501
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 2: But it was helpful someone like Ashton.

502
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Speaker 1: But it's a I mean, obviously it's a cause that

503
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:27,639
Speaker 1: who wouldn't jump on board. The movie is incredible. I

504
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 1: watched it the second time actually in Fiji when we

505
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 1: first met, and I mean pretty much assaulted you afterwards

506
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:35,920
Speaker 1: because I was like, I'm obsessed with.

507
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 2: You and.

508
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 3: I try to play cool.

509
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 2: Listeners loved it.

510
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 1: We were upset, like two hundred women fighting for you.

511
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 1: But it is I think it should be compulsory for

512
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 1: every child and every woman and every man and every

513
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:53,879
Speaker 1: person to watch it. Is just reframes your relationship with

514
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:57,199
Speaker 1: your body and the way society influences that relationship. I

515
00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:00,159
Speaker 1: just I will include all the links for you so

516
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,359
Speaker 1: that everyone can go and watch it. And I'm just

517
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,399
Speaker 1: so excited that another one is on the way. But

518
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 1: just before we move on to that, what for you

519
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,119
Speaker 1: were some of your favorite parts of that movie of

520
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 1: making it and then also when you go back and

521
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 1: rewatch it as a whole, what are some of the

522
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:14,200
Speaker 1: bits that you're.

523
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:18,439
Speaker 2: Like, Yeah, oh gosh. I love all the characters in

524
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:22,399
Speaker 2: their film in their very unique ways. I think the

525
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 2: Nora Churner relationship was a very beautiful one. So Nora

526
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 2: reached out to me during the Kickstarter and she contributed

527
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 2: eight thousand dollars and I didn't know who she was,

528
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 2: but I'm like, who is this person who for eight

529
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,359
Speaker 2: thousand dollars to drop on someone they don't even know? Like,

530
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 2: if I had that much money to give someone one day,

531
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 2: and I hope I do, I'd at least be sussling

532
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 2: them out. I want to be eyeball to eyeball to

533
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 2: know they're not putting it on black.

534
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:50,879
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I took something crazy with my money.

535
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:51,440
Speaker 1: Totally.

536
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 2: She just generously gave to that campaign, and so I googled.

537
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 2: I'm like, who is this Nora Churner And it turns

538
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:03,360
Speaker 2: out she is one of Germany's most famous actors. She's like, yeah,

539
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:04,880
Speaker 2: super famous in Germany.

540
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,880
Speaker 1: I can't believe that's how that happened. I actually wondered

541
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:09,919
Speaker 1: when I watched it. I was like, what's the connection there?

542
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:10,920
Speaker 1: Because we in Germany?

543
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 2: Like yes, So we just became friends and started skyping.

544
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 3: And she's a bit of a loose cannon.

545
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 2: We do try to stick together, but I think in

546
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 2: the film, being on that red carpet, it's like the

547
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 2: Oscars of Europe. And I'm with her as her date,

548
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,119
Speaker 2: and I'm going, where am I?

549
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:37,120
Speaker 3: What am I doing?

550
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 2: Like crazy? And and when you for those of you

551
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 2: who haven't watched the film, you'll see it, my face

552
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 2: is like and Noura because she doesn't take it all

553
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 2: too seriously. She is on the red carpet singing a

554
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 2: song about how she is a cat and I'm a

555
00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 2: mermaid because I had because I had a sequin dress

556
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 2: and she had a cat suit. So she was walking

557
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 2: up and down his ferry. Everyone's taking it so seriously,

558
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 2: and she's like the Mermaid and the Cat, Murrhmat and

559
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 2: the Cat. It's the most exciting friendship you'll ever like

560
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 2: something crazy Nora. So I just love watching that part

561
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 2: of the film, knowing the friendship that sits behind it,

562
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 2: but also the generosity that sits behind that again, the layers,

563
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 2: and yeah, I think making the film, I really enjoyed

564
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 2: the New York City filming and bringing together a women

565
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 2: of different shape sizes, abilities of bodies and pure strangers.

566
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 2: I had twenty four hours to bring that photo shoot together. Really,

567
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 2: so I actually I met a friend of mine is

568
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 2: Joe Polish, and one of his friends was the head

569
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 2: photographer of Victoria's Secrets. And Joe and I were having

570
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 2: dinner and he goes, oh, You've got to meet this guy,

571
00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 2: and blah blah blah, and so we met U and

572
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 2: this photographer said, listen, I'm in New York for the

573
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 2: next day. If you can pull the people together, I'll

574
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 2: do the shoot.

575
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 1: Did you just go right on the street, haven't you

576
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 1: with me?

577
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:17,479
Speaker 2: Basically, I was at a blow dry bar because I

578
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 2: was doing the Today Show. I was doing an interview

579
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 2: on the Today Show and I got a blowdry the

580
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 2: day before and this woman who was doing my hair, Tanisha,

581
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:31,959
Speaker 2: she's in the Yes, I'm like, could you what are

582
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 2: you doing tomorrow? So I did just grab people, and

583
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 2: I guess there was a real sense of satisfaction pulling

584
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 2: together complete strangers to pull off this epic shoot with

585
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 2: this incredible photographer. So yeah, look, there's so many little

586
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 2: stories and nuances of this film. There's so many times

587
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 2: I could have turned left, but I turned right. I

588
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 2: think I did have some angels watching over me for

589
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 2: a couple of years while I was making that film.

590
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 1: Oh, it's just it's so beautifully curated and really diverse, Like,

591
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 1: it's hard. I can imagine that with a vision and

592
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 1: mission as big as yours, it would be so hard

593
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: to choose how to convey the message in the most emotive,

594
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 1: evocative way. And not having made a film before as well,

595
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 1: being like, well, how do I communicate what I'm trying

596
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 1: to say? Like is it purely interviews?

597
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 2: Is it me?

598
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 1: Is it others? Is it shoots? Like what you know?

599
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 1: How did you direct and decide what the kind of

600
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 1: storyline was going to look like?

601
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 2: So, being a first time director, I had interviews with

602
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 2: people that probably should have wrapped.

603
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 3: After twenty minutes and I'm there three hours going.

604
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 2: I just got to make sure I don't get back

605
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 2: to the edit suite and I haven't got something. So

606
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 2: there was a lot of that that happened. But I

607
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 2: think the film we found the film in the edit,

608
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 2: and you know, we need to remember that once. Just

609
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 2: because I directed at one person never makes a film.

610
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 2: There's a team of incredible editors and exec producers and

611
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 2: other talent on the film who we sit around with

612
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 2: and we talk about, and yeah, it was quite a process.

613
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 2: I think having two editors on that film made the

614
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 2: film because one Lindy and I would sit for hours

615
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 2: and talk about the transcripts of one person we interviewed

616
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 2: and we would get one line out of about five

617
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 2: or six hours of talking about it. And then Brian

618
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 2: Mason was the second editor, and he was more like, Yeah,

619
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 2: let's just make this happen. Let's throw this bit in here,

620
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 2: and so it was sort of two worlds colliding, and

621
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 2: I think that's what you see and embrace. It's very

622
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 2: deep and we really get to know the characters. But

623
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 2: there's lots of fun as well.

624
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's something that I love about you as

625
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 1: a person is that you are exactly that you will

626
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 1: put in the hard yards and you know, blood, sweat

627
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 1: and tears to get your message through in the most

628
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 1: effective way possible and work hours and hours and hours

629
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 1: to do and put yourself on the line and have

630
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 1: a hell of a good time doing it. It is

631
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:57,239
Speaker 1: something I love so much about you because it has

632
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 1: to be fun. I mean you have to enjoy it otherwise.

633
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And we're here for such a short amount of time,

634
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 2: so we can inject fun into everything we do.

635
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 1: Yeah so yes, oh so hashtag fun. I just want

636
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 1: to go and watch the movie again right now. It

637
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 1: is like, Oh I just I get goosebumps. What then

638
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: led you so between? That came out in twenty sixteen.

639
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 1: It debuted at the Sydney Field Festival in twenty sixteen

640
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 1: and had like over twenty five million views. I mean,

641
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 1: what's what's it at now?

642
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, that was the trailer back then. I mean

643
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 2: I don't know. Netflix picked it up and had.

644
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 1: A two year deal with Oh my god, yeah it

645
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 1: kind of.

646
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 2: I think he knows a lot of people.

647
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 1: I think it's set to be the most successful Australian

648
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 1: documentary ever produced. I mean, what even like I can't

649
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 1: even my boobs are, which is why I mean, I think,

650
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 1: what's the key to success my boobs just saying.

651
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 2: We can't give too much away?

652
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Speaker 3: That is not the reason.

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Speaker 1: So from you know, twenty sixteen to now now, what

654
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Speaker 1: has led you to you know, it was Embrace Kids.

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Speaker 1: So everyone, in case I haven't mentioned yet, the next

656
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Speaker 1: movie is Embrace Kids, and Taran is raising funds for

657
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Speaker 1: that right now, and I'm so excited and passionate about it.

658
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 1: I just want to like, we all need to donate

659
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Speaker 1: to it. It was so exciting. What led you to this

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Speaker 1: next stage? Did you always think that was coming and

661
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Speaker 1: then you just needed time or was it just something

662
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 1: that sparked for you, you know recently.

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Speaker 2: No, the rollout of the film was two years. I

664
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Speaker 2: was on the road coming back to Australia, going to Germany,

665
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Speaker 2: going to the UK. So the number one piece of

666
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Speaker 2: feedback that I had from so many people was I

667
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Speaker 2: wish I had seen this when I was young, and

668
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 2: people have spent a lifetime hating their bodies and it

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Speaker 2: doesn't have to be this way. So I knew that

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Speaker 2: I needed to make a film that was perhaps more

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Speaker 2: appropriate for a younger audience. There's a few f bombs,

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Speaker 2: and there's evolved. It might be twenty evolvers, you know

673
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Speaker 2: in the film. Not that that's not that we should

674
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Speaker 2: shy away from showing that. However, students seeing Embrace who

675
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Speaker 2: are fourteen and fifteen years of age, for some of them,

676
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:13,720
Speaker 2: they've hated their bodies for four, five, six, seven, eight years,

677
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Speaker 2: and not even a film as impactful as Embrace is

678
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 2: going to cut through and get to their hearts and

679
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 2: pivot them in another direction. So I knew that we

680
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 2: needed a film that was for eight to twelve year

681
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Speaker 2: olds to help them build a foundation of values based

682
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Speaker 2: on who they are and what they do in the world.

683
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Speaker 2: Because the world is a pretty tough place when you're

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Speaker 2: an adult. But can you imagine, you know, in this

685
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Speaker 2: globalized world of media and social media and the pressures

686
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 2: and the likes, and we struggle as adults, so you

687
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 2: can only imagine how hard it is for our kids.

688
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 2: So they need our help. That's what Embrace Kids Doco

689
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Speaker 2: is all about. And it's an exciting project because we

690
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Speaker 2: get to bring the creative and the fun because that

691
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 2: will always drive every rejected of mind. But we also

692
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Speaker 2: have the health professionals as well that are lending the

693
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Speaker 2: data and making sure that what we're going to be

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Speaker 2: showing the kids is going to have the outcome that

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Speaker 2: we want for the kids.

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Speaker 1: This is so exciting. I mean the first literally, the

697
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Speaker 1: first thing I said after I watched it the first

698
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 1: time was every school needs to show this, but to

699
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Speaker 1: have that one that's actually targeted at the age group

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Speaker 1: where you need to be aware of this concept when

701
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 1: you're first forming your relationship with your body, not after

702
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Speaker 1: you've already done that. It needs to be this early.

703
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Speaker 1: And I think, you know, it's alarming to hear eight,

704
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Speaker 1: like eight, Oh my god. When I was eight, I

705
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 1: was like eating dirt. But it's a different time. It's

706
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Speaker 1: important you need to get in early.

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Speaker 2: I'm such a different like I just you know what

708
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Speaker 2: it was. It was all the wet cheeks, you know.

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Speaker 2: I always describe my time spent with kids having a

710
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 2: wet cheek from tears, like the heartbreaking stories that they're

711
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,839
Speaker 2: going through and dealing with stuff that they should not be.

712
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Speaker 2: They should be kids. They're not having a childhood when

713
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Speaker 2: they're worried and restricting their food and they're dieting. I've

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Speaker 2: been a six year old on a diet. She didn't

715
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Speaker 2: say the word diet, but she was restricting her eating.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she'd formed that pattern absolutely, And we know.

717
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Speaker 2: That diets don't work, so we need to empower our kids.

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Speaker 2: And I guess you know there are billion dollar industries

719
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Speaker 2: that really do prey on insecurities and we need to

720
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Speaker 2: offer an alternative. And that's what everything I do with

721
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Speaker 2: Body Imagh movement and Embrace Kids is about.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh and the Embrace.

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Speaker 2: Has anyone got two hundred and seventy thousand dollars?

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Speaker 1: Well that was my next question before we continue with

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Speaker 1: today's episode, Beautiful people, I've got an exciting little announcement

726
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Speaker 1: for you. I'm so thrilled to be welcoming Mitsubishi to

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Speaker 1: the neighborhood as our major partner for yeays of our Lives.

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Speaker 1: I'll be zipping around in the amazing new Mitsubishi Eclipse

729
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Speaker 1: Cross over the next few months, hitting the road to

730
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Speaker 1: record both in and out of town and keep spreading

731
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Speaker 1: the ya in style. I've had it for a few

732
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Speaker 1: weeks already and I can safely say it's a total

733
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Speaker 1: eclipse of the heart. The Eclipse Cross drives like a

734
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Speaker 1: dream with a spacious and ergonomic interior, eight inch touchscreen

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Speaker 1: and the pure luxury of heated seats and get this

736
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Speaker 1: heated steering wheel for those frozen little fingers with plans

737
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 1: to start a family in the near future though, safety

738
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Speaker 1: is everything, so I'm also thrilled with its five star

739
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Speaker 1: and cap rating. I'll be sharing our adventures over the

740
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Speaker 1: coming months and you might have already seen this week

741
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Speaker 1: away in gipps Land in the yam of Bill, so

742
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Speaker 1: stay tuned for more over the coming months. If any

743
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 1: of you are looking to drive your ambition further this year,

744
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 1: the Eclipse Cross is the perfect yamobile. How can we

745
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 1: support you and everyone? This is the most important question

746
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 1: of the whole podcast. I really don't try and push

747
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 1: too many things down your throat, but this is just

748
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 1: a game changer for the whole of society, And you know,

749
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Speaker 1: I often worry sometimes, I'm like, it's going to be

750
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Speaker 1: so hard to bring children into this world and to

751
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Speaker 1: guide them the way that I want to and protect

752
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: them the way that I want to. But I'm kind

753
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 1: of like, well, Tarn's around, so I'm probably okay.

754
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Speaker 2: So that's the sweetest thing anyone's ever said.

755
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:16,880
Speaker 1: But it's I mean, it's true. How can we support

756
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 1: you in what you're doing?

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00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:21,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, So the idea with Embrace Kids is to make

758
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 2: the film production costs a half a million dollars. Then

759
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 2: we're going to give it away as a free resource

760
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 2: around the world. So take the film, get it into schools,

761
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:33,280
Speaker 2: get teachers playing with their students. Also have parent packs

762
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 2: and teach a guide so we're all talking the same language.

763
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Speaker 2: We've raised one hundred and seventy thousand towards that. I

764
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Speaker 2: crazily ran a marathon a couple of months ago.

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Speaker 1: Can you send a theme here? Yeah, Like I.

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Speaker 2: Run a marathon, people give me money? You know what

767
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 2: it is? I think, Actually, sometimes it's hard to ask people.

768
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 2: I'm much more of a giver than a receiver. But

769
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Speaker 2: it's different when you're like, hey, forty two kilometers is

770
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Speaker 2: a long way. Give you some money.

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Speaker 1: Yes, give the kilometers some money. You know, it's easier

772
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Speaker 1: to ask.

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Speaker 2: That's right. So raise fifty five thousand dollars doing that,

774
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Speaker 2: And we've been gosh, we've been selling, creating, making, collaborating

775
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 2: with other businesses and brands with yoga mats and earrings.

776
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Speaker 2: We're about to release a scarf. I've just purchased eighty

777
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Speaker 2: one hundred and forty seven scarves.

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Speaker 1: Which I took one off your hands. I am obsessed

779
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 1: with it, and I will pop a link in. Well, well, yeah,

780
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Speaker 1: by the time this comes out, there will be for sale.

781
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Speaker 1: So I will make sure that there are you know,

782
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Speaker 1: there's a link in the show notes, because I think

783
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Speaker 1: if there's a way that we can get behind you

784
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Speaker 1: know what you're doing, I'm sure everyone will be super excited.

785
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Speaker 1: And the scarves are beautiful.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely there. And I think you know, everyone, everyone

787
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 2: knows in their own way how they could help. They

788
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 2: might just go, here's a fiver, here's my coffee money. Today.

789
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Speaker 2: They might have a business or a brand or a

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Speaker 2: product that they want to give, you know, pro proceeds

791
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Speaker 2: to Embrace Kids, and that says you've been a really

792
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 2: winning formula for our community. We've got half a million

793
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 2: people on social media across Facebook and Instagram, and you know,

794
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 2: it might be sort of a yoga mat and one

795
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:16,839
Speaker 2: hundred percent of proceeds go to Embrace Kids, but we're

796
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 2: also promoting the Mac company, the yoga mat company, so

797
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 2: it's kind of a win win for everybody. So I

798
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Speaker 2: guess anyone is listening, find out a little bit more

799
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Speaker 2: about embraced kids and make a connection. But don't come

800
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Speaker 2: to me with ideas. This is what we're ida.

801
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:34,360
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god, I need money, not ideas.

802
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 1: I've got the idea.

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00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 2: That's sounds so funny when you said.

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Speaker 1: But it's true. I mean you've got the idea, You've

805
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Speaker 1: nowled it. It's not the idea, it's getting it, you know,

806
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,319
Speaker 1: to fruition. Yeah, and imagine. I mean that's the hard

807
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 1: thing is that people forget. I always say another quote

808
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 1: that I love is if you can't do big things,

809
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 1: do small things in a big way. You're doing the

810
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 1: big things for us. We need to do the small

811
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Speaker 1: things in a big way to help you get there.

812
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 1: And if you if five hundred thousand people on your

813
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Speaker 1: network gave a dollar each one dollar, you would be there.

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00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 2: I keep I keep saying that to them, But then

815
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 2: I'm like, hey, on is that Zuckerberg and his algorithms?

816
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 2: Is anyone hearing me out there?

817
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:15,319
Speaker 1: Helloo? But I think people forget that. If they can't

818
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 1: give five thousand dollars, I think they're like, oh, well,

819
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Speaker 1: I can't make any impact. I'm like, no, one dollar

820
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Speaker 1: is more dollars than no dollars, two dollars, five dollars.

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Speaker 2: Totally. If everyone does a little, no one has to

822
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Speaker 2: do a lot exactly. And you know with this project,

823
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Speaker 2: my kids are fine, My kids are so Body confidence

824
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:37,800
Speaker 2: is not about me. It's not about my kids, about

825
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 2: your kids, or it's about your nieces or your nephews

826
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:43,319
Speaker 2: or your friends kids. You know, we all need to

827
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Speaker 2: play our role in this problem.

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Speaker 1: I'm so vote about it and excited. Oh need to

829
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Speaker 1: come down anyway. What have been some of your pinch

830
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 1: me moments, big highlights along the way of either you

831
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Speaker 1: know kind of impact or moments where you've on I'm successful,

832
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 1: this is successful, this is doing something.

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Speaker 2: I think one of the biggest pinch me moments was

834
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Speaker 2: in Germany when we released Embrace at the cinema. We

835
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Speaker 2: had fifty two thousand Germans on one night come and

836
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Speaker 2: buy a ticket and what Embrace it was. We actually

837
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Speaker 2: beat Guardians of the Galaxy and King Arthur on their

838
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 2: opening night, which so docos on body image. It's a

839
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Speaker 2: foreign film from someone it's got no special effects like

840
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Speaker 2: Guardians or King Art.

841
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Speaker 1: We couldn't afford an editor to do.

842
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Speaker 2: So I think that was a real mind blowing kind

843
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 2: of moment to sort of hit number one at the

844
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Speaker 2: box office. And I think it speaks volumes as well

845
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 2: about how ready we are to come together to find

846
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Speaker 2: solutions and move forward. We're just sort of we're done

847
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 2: with hating our bodies. We're a bit tired, and I

848
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 2: think in the in the current state of the planet,

849
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 2: we need women to rise up and to not be

850
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 2: talking about their cell light. We've got so many gifts

851
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 2: to bring to the world, and we need to be

852
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 2: all the world needs us to be and all we

853
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 2: want to be in the world. And a lot of

854
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:23,919
Speaker 2: that comes from this foundation of embracing and self love

855
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 2: and just I think, unconditional love for yourself. So yeah,

856
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Speaker 2: the Germany's success was it's pretty chronomical, right, main drop

857
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Speaker 2: that I'm at the supermarket at Waullies. I'm like, hey,

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Speaker 2: have you seen Guardians of the Galaxy? Well, my.

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Speaker 1: Math film, it's pretty cool. That would be No, I

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Speaker 1: wore my metal for twenty four hours, but that's what

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Speaker 1: I would have I mean, if I run the full

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Speaker 1: forty two I would have won it for much longer

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Speaker 1: than the forty two days.

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Speaker 2: You know, first marathon in Melbourne, so I had to

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Speaker 2: are you finishing the MCG? That's right, amazing, And but

866
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 2: I had to get back on the plane to go

867
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 2: back to Adelaide, and on the way to the airport,

868
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 2: I had to get another pair of two X used

869
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 2: because I couldn't move my legs. And I got on

870
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 2: the plane, I had deep heat for Africa. I just like,

871
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 2: I think I stuck the whole plane out to twenty

872
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 2: eight see, but.

873
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:19,319
Speaker 1: I did by first half a couple of weeks ago.

874
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:22,359
Speaker 2: And I congratulations, I did see. Oh amazing, it was well.

875
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 1: I was like, I can't physically imagine doubling it. I

876
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 1: just can't physically imagine that, but it just it felt

877
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 1: so awesome. And then I got on a plane eighteen

878
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:34,319
Speaker 1: hours later, on like a ten twelve hour flight, and

879
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:36,359
Speaker 1: I was like, wow, I'm puffy. I mean, if I've

880
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 1: ever had can calls, there they are. This is it.

881
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 1: This is it. Then I took I take my shoes

882
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 1: up on planes, couldn't get them back in. So I

883
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 1: don't have thongs with me. What am I going to do?

884
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 1: Like they're too puffy. I was disabled for like a day.

885
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 2: Are you four things that does happen. But you know

886
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:57,240
Speaker 2: what I loved also about watching you with your running

887
00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 2: journey was you weren't a runner.

888
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 1: Oh I hated it.

889
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 3: You didn't enjoy it.

890
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:04,399
Speaker 2: And I think I saw you at the three k

891
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 2: mark somewhere on Instagram and really red face.

892
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 1: Like I was dead, just ceased from like three cloveters.

893
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:15,839
Speaker 2: But isn't it cool that at that three kilometer mark

894
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 2: that you go I just could never get to where

895
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 2: you know, get to the twenty one case, and you do,

896
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 2: And it's the same thing from twenty one to forty two.

897
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 2: You can always go further, go further, you can, but

898
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 2: just don't.

899
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 1: Because it hurts. I never really understood the concept of

900
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 1: running being entirely mental. I was like, surely my body

901
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:37,800
Speaker 1: has to kind of keep up, but it's like not,

902
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 1: your brain has to get there first. Your body will follow.

903
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 1: It's your brain that one hundred percent just goes nah,

904
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 1: and your body's like no, I can you know I

905
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 1: could probably do it and just fascinated me. I got

906
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 1: to twenty one and I was like I'm great, Like

907
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 1: I'm happy, this was fun? What this was fun? Who

908
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 1: am I?

909
00:46:57,840 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 2: Because I be like fun run? Who would do? Yeah?

910
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:06,720
Speaker 1: Ill that is the worst name ever. Anyway, So moving

911
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 1: onto the next section, which I think will be really

912
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 1: really interesting hearing from you. In particular, is nata, which

913
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 1: is all the things that have gotten the way of

914
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 1: you know, your joy and your fulfillment and excitement for life.

915
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 1: Because the highs have been so high that I can

916
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 1: only imagine the lows have been pretty low, you know,

917
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 1: covering anything from your own body, image, journey to rejection.

918
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 1: There's so much pitching when it comes to something you're

919
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:32,800
Speaker 1: so passionate about, which also means a lot of doors

920
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,360
Speaker 1: closed in your face and if you're not resilient, it

921
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 1: won't happen. The personal challenge of being the face of

922
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:42,320
Speaker 1: a movement that's global means you know, everyone wants a

923
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 1: piece of you. You know, you're trying not to burn out,

924
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:46,320
Speaker 1: You're trying to look after you know self love involves

925
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:50,399
Speaker 1: not killing yourself. There's just so many elements here. So yeah,

926
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 1: talk us through some of the challenges along the way.

927
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, Look, I am an optimistic person by nature,

928
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 2: but it doesn't mean that that rejection that I've experienced

929
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 2: and being overlooked a lot along the way hasn't been hard.

930
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 2: But I also think that during those times when things

931
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:17,399
Speaker 2: don't go your way or the way that you think

932
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:20,760
Speaker 2: that they should have gone, that's where the growth happens.

933
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 2: Like I just I think we sort of all get

934
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 2: to that point where we're like, ah, we're in this

935
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 2: kind of scenario. It's not fun, but what can I

936
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 2: learn from this? But I actually think one of the

937
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:35,240
Speaker 2: things about successful people in business in life is how

938
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 2: quickly they can identify that perhaps they're on the wrong road.

939
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 2: I think our goals need to be always moving and changing.

940
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 2: And you might be heading towards something that you think

941
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 2: that you want and you're halfway there and you're like, oh,

942
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 2: I don't know, this is not fun, that's right. But

943
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 2: some people persist in the wrong way. They know that intuitively,

944
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 2: but they keep going for it. So we need to

945
00:48:58,480 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 2: know when to hold them and when to fold them,

946
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 2: and when to be nimble, when to pivot. I think

947
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 2: persistence is a big part of who I am. Polite

948
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:12,399
Speaker 2: persistence wears down resistance. You know that dist one yes

949
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 2: been my motto for since I was about nineteen. I

950
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:18,840
Speaker 2: just said that over and over. And there's actually a

951
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:21,400
Speaker 2: story you might like to hear this one because it's

952
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 2: encapsulates that for me, I was in La last year

953
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:27,880
Speaker 2: there before. It's all a bit of.

954
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 1: A blur and who could say? I?

955
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:31,760
Speaker 2: Who would say? And I was doing this red carpet

956
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 2: event and it was for the twenty fifth Movie Awards

957
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 2: and the red carpet was like a kilometer long, and

958
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 2: those who know me know that, like, I'll do that,

959
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:45,839
Speaker 2: and I can do it pretty well, but I would

960
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 2: rather be home with my Jackie bands and Netflix. But

961
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, here we go. Anyway, finally got into

962
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:57,919
Speaker 2: this big ballroom of people and nothing says you're more

963
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 2: of a loser than being on the last table. And

964
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 2: that's where I was with some of the dates of

965
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 2: our lives.

966
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:07,319
Speaker 1: Oh my god, yep, yeah, you'r D grade, babe, you're

967
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:09,359
Speaker 1: D grade in La.

968
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 3: I'm D grade.

969
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:13,279
Speaker 2: And I was right at the back and I'm like, dude,

970
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 2: a little lou you know, just with this table of people.

971
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:17,880
Speaker 2: And I look up and Olivia Newton John comes on

972
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 2: the stage and my dad loves Olivia. So I sort

973
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 2: of ducked down at this ballroom and found this sort

974
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 2: of other red carpet where the performers comes straight off

975
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:35,279
Speaker 2: stage and then they're interviewed privately. And I sort of

976
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 2: waltzed over to where Olivia was and sort of nudged

977
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 2: up against other meetings.

978
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 1: I belong here, that's right, and I said.

979
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 2: Oh, I said to one of her minders, Hi, I'm

980
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 2: just here. I just want to get a photograph of

981
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:50,880
Speaker 2: Olivia for my dad. And he's like, no, no, no, you

982
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 2: can't and sent me on my way. And this is

983
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:56,839
Speaker 2: the most stupidest thing I've ever thought or said.

984
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm so excited.

985
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 2: I sort of turned around and I went back towards him.

986
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, I said, oh, I'm Australian.

987
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:11,839
Speaker 1: Like hello, where I'm Australian?

988
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 2: Like so bad?

989
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:15,720
Speaker 1: And he did it not change his mind?

990
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 2: You know, I know you'd be surprised to hear that

991
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 2: it didn't. Try. He should have sent me on my

992
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,319
Speaker 2: way again. He's like no, no, no no. And as I

993
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:28,799
Speaker 2: was walking away, I actually realized then that I was

994
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 2: in this cordoned off area and I thought, oh, if

995
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 2: I leave, I can't actually get back in. So I

996
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 2: looked over and I saw a table and they looked

997
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:42,400
Speaker 2: like publicist slash agents, and I dived into my handbag

998
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 2: and got a pen out and then just joined them

999
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 2: and you guys can't see this, but I sort of

1000
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 2: slouched back on a chair and said, so, how's your

1001
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 2: like going?

1002
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 1: I belong that's the right.

1003
00:51:56,000 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 2: We just started chatting and then eventually I say it,

1004
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 2: come clean. I said, guys, I meant to be in

1005
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 2: the ballroom with the guests. I'm not one of you.

1006
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 1: I'm waiting for oen J. I'm waiting for J.

1007
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 2: I explained. I said, this is what I'm trying to do.

1008
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 2: And basically they just said you've got this, like all

1009
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:20,360
Speaker 2: of them that we've got your back. Come on, you

1010
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:22,720
Speaker 2: can go back a third time. I'm like, can I really?

1011
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 2: So have I got? And I sort of turned around

1012
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 2: looked at them and they're like yeah. Toward Olivia, and

1013
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:36,280
Speaker 2: right just before I got to her, the security guy.

1014
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:40,400
Speaker 1: This is the same guy. Oh my god.

1015
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 2: He puts his arm out because you're thinking third time?

1016
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 1: This is basically I mean, that's what I want to.

1017
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 2: As his arm comes out, Olivia sees me and goes, Taran,

1018
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 2: sure shut the front door. Why. I looked at the

1019
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 2: security guy. I'm like, I.

1020
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 1: Told you I'm Australian. I told you we all know

1021
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:07,239
Speaker 1: each other.

1022
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 2: She goes embrace. Oh my gosh, I loved your film

1023
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 2: so much, and we started chatting and publicist slash agents.

1024
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 2: I wish that we could have filmed that, because that

1025
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:21,359
Speaker 2: would have been a great scene for a movie.

1026
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:22,319
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

1027
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 2: But I just thought, you know, it's a really fun story,

1028
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 2: and Livia was so delightful she did this epic video

1029
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:30,759
Speaker 2: for my dad, and I'm like, can Betty and do

1030
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:34,800
Speaker 2: like my mom as well? And just talked about the film.

1031
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 2: But when I that night, I remember going back to

1032
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:41,360
Speaker 2: the hotel room and thinking that that was three times

1033
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:45,280
Speaker 2: that was That was polite. Persistence wears down resistance at best.

1034
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:50,760
Speaker 2: But it was also really nice acknowledgment of people having

1035
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 2: my back, because I'm not sure how I would have

1036
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 2: gone back that third time without my little tribe around me.

1037
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 2: So look, it's I know that's a bit of a

1038
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:02,439
Speaker 2: long story, but it's a fun it's such a good

1039
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 2: one we've got. If it's meant to be, and if

1040
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 2: our goals are really a true and pure and exactly

1041
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 2: in alignment, then you you've just got to keep going.

1042
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 2: And I know there's been times in body image movement

1043
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 2: where I could have so easily just said I just

1044
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 2: can't do it anymore. And physically I have felt that

1045
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 2: in my body where I just thought I can't knock

1046
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:30,320
Speaker 2: on my door, I can't keep this thing going, and

1047
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:34,760
Speaker 2: I just had to keep pushing through. So yeah, keep pushing,

1048
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:36,040
Speaker 2: keep pushing.

1049
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:40,280
Speaker 1: That's a great story to demonstrate that point. And another

1050
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 1: thing it really reminds me is you have to be

1051
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:45,719
Speaker 1: willing to look like a bit of a dick, like

1052
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:49,799
Speaker 1: you know, you have to be like, this is embarrassing.

1053
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:52,919
Speaker 1: But if you hadn't just been like, you know what,

1054
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 1: he's going to know it's my third try, But I

1055
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:57,439
Speaker 1: don't care because I'm never going to see that guy again.

1056
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 1: If you hadn't been willing to push through that feeling

1057
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:03,680
Speaker 1: of stupidity, you wouldn't have got people. She wouldn't have

1058
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 1: seen you the third time. You would have got two no's.

1059
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:07,360
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And what do I feeling?

1060
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 1: And I think most of the times that really big,

1061
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 1: exciting things have happened to me, it's been when I've

1062
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 1: been like, you know what, this is awkward. I'm going

1063
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:21,240
Speaker 1: to If they say no, I'm going to look stupid.

1064
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 1: If they say yes, I'm still going to look stupid.

1065
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 1: But you've just got to get okay with that, and

1066
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:27,960
Speaker 1: I think it's just such a protection mechanism of us

1067
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 1: going oh no, like I would look like such a loser.

1068
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 1: But I just I'm like, embrace Oh my god, I

1069
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:36,839
Speaker 1: embrace it now, you know, I'm like, I must. And

1070
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:39,840
Speaker 1: it just it's once you get over that fear of

1071
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 1: looking silly, you can do anything.

1072
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:45,400
Speaker 2: Absolutely you can. And I think I really love that

1073
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 2: you've acknowledged that because I think too many people play

1074
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 2: it too cool. Sometimes you do need to show your cards.

1075
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 2: You need to be completely vulnerable and go and you

1076
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 2: could even call it out. This is actually feeling a

1077
00:55:58,560 --> 00:55:59,319
Speaker 2: bit embarrassing.

1078
00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:01,800
Speaker 1: Always call it out. I'm like, I'm a bit trash

1079
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:08,279
Speaker 1: right now, and give me something else, or I just

1080
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 1: found girl people. But I'm like, when people do that

1081
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:14,400
Speaker 1: to me, I'm stoked. I am stoked. I'm not like,

1082
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:16,799
Speaker 1: go away, you look stupid. I'm like, this is the

1083
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:20,279
Speaker 1: best thing ever. No one ever looks stupid for being

1084
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 1: too enthusiastic. I mean, that's a lie. I have definitely

1085
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:25,840
Speaker 1: looked stupid for being too enthusiastic. But you know what's

1086
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:27,800
Speaker 1: the worst that can happen from that? You feel silly?

1087
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:30,640
Speaker 1: For thirty seconds, it's like not a big deal. Absolutely

1088
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 1: what about you know you mentioned just before how you

1089
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:35,400
Speaker 1: physically got to the point of not being able to

1090
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:37,920
Speaker 1: do it anymore. I imagine another big challenge for you

1091
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 1: is not burning out because you're so passionate about what

1092
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 1: you're doing and the work is never over when you're

1093
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:44,960
Speaker 1: on a mission as big as the one you're on now.

1094
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:48,439
Speaker 1: So how do you manage, including with social media meaning

1095
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:50,399
Speaker 1: you're accessible all the time, how do you manage that

1096
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:56,680
Speaker 1: constant connection and productivity pressure and you know, that level

1097
00:56:56,719 --> 00:57:00,440
Speaker 1: of just being out there all the time when you're

1098
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:02,840
Speaker 1: a Netflix person, you know for sure?

1099
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 2: I mean I think you know what it really It

1100
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:10,000
Speaker 2: comes down to understanding what great health means to you.

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00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 2: For me, it means having lots of energy, and to

1102
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 2: have lots of energy, I need lots of sleep, so

1103
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 2: I just don't compromise. It's eight and a half hours a.

1104
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 3: Night is what I get.

1105
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 2: And it's also nourishing my bodies with bodies, I have

1106
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 2: two bodies. Sorry did we not tell you that?

1107
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:31,920
Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean it's body's image movement, won't you listening?

1108
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 2: Really, nourishing the body to fuel it well, moving the

1109
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 2: body sleep. I think. I think the times where my

1110
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 2: wheels have fallen off have been times when I've not

1111
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:54,440
Speaker 2: respected what I know my body needs.

1112
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:55,000
Speaker 1: Yes.

1113
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:58,720
Speaker 2: So when I was filming Embraced, I actually experienced anxiety

1114
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 2: for the very first time in my life life. I

1115
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 2: was in New York and it was it was so

1116
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 2: awful in a hotel room. It felt like the walls

1117
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:08,760
Speaker 2: were closing in on me. I didn't understand what was

1118
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:14,280
Speaker 2: going on. And because I am wide for more and

1119
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 2: hard and fast and I do have this energy, I

1120
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 2: felt that I was invincible until this moment. And I've

1121
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:26,200
Speaker 2: just been to Austria, Germany, France, UK and landed in

1122
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 2: New York in six days.

1123
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:31,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm going to say it a month.

1124
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:32,800
Speaker 2: Don't worry about the crew.

1125
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1126
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:37,720
Speaker 2: And it was a really great lesson for me to

1127
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 2: go what I've pushed myself too far? What does my

1128
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 2: body need? And now it's always about coming back to

1129
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:48,520
Speaker 2: center and respecting. But I have just this week, it's

1130
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:51,560
Speaker 2: been like this most craziest goal that I've had, but

1131
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:55,680
Speaker 2: I've just made it this week. I've had one year

1132
00:58:56,320 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 2: without being sick once, and I have three kids that

1133
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:05,000
Speaker 2: bring home crap all day long. Wow, And I'm on

1134
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:10,400
Speaker 2: planes all the time, and that is health, living my

1135
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:17,200
Speaker 2: best life. I'll wake up tomorrow and I'll now But

1136
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 2: you know what the real key difference has been in

1137
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:23,200
Speaker 2: twelve months. It was reading Arianna Huffington's Thrive Oh and

1138
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:24,600
Speaker 2: prioritizing my sleep.

1139
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 1: Have you read Sleep Revolution?

1140
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:29,760
Speaker 2: I haven't. Am I going to be sleeping eighteen hour night?

1141
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:32,920
Speaker 1: It is like Thrive, but only about sleep.

1142
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 2: It is to get into that.

1143
00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 1: I mean they go hand in Oh, like, oh my god,

1144
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 1: it's just the best for if you're having a problem.

1145
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:45,000
Speaker 1: Prioritizing it for yourself and understanding that it's it doesn't

1146
00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:48,080
Speaker 1: really make sense. It feels counterintuitive, but you sleep your

1147
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:50,600
Speaker 1: way to success. Like literally, the more you sleep, the

1148
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:53,720
Speaker 1: better you will be. It changed my whole relationship. And

1149
00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:55,040
Speaker 1: I read it at a time when I was corporate

1150
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:56,360
Speaker 1: and I was working twenty hours a day. I'm like,

1151
00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 1: there's no hours left for sleep. I just had to

1152
00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 1: put in boundaries and everything has been better since then.

1153
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:04,520
Speaker 2: It's incredible, isn't it. And it's not a magic pill.

1154
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:07,320
Speaker 2: It's free, you know, like we can do this and

1155
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:11,520
Speaker 2: we actually really do control our sleep totally. And I

1156
01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:13,520
Speaker 2: think this is one of the most exciting things because

1157
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:15,640
Speaker 2: I do get that a lot. People ask me, like,

1158
01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:18,880
Speaker 2: where do you get your energy from? And it really

1159
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:22,760
Speaker 2: is understanding what health means to me. And it's forever

1160
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:25,360
Speaker 2: changing and evolving too, you know, Like when I was nineteen,

1161
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:27,480
Speaker 2: it was I don't know, have three tequilas, not five,

1162
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:30,760
Speaker 2: and don't get pregnant. That was my health values. Like

1163
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 2: it changes all the time. But if we can actually

1164
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:39,040
Speaker 2: just stop and consider what it means and what we

1165
01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:42,280
Speaker 2: can do to honor it, I reckon that's a really

1166
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:45,200
Speaker 2: good base to come at life from.

1167
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:47,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. And I think it takes years and years

1168
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:51,040
Speaker 1: to find where your you know, neutral is on sleep,

1169
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:54,000
Speaker 1: on water, on food, on whatever it is. But once

1170
01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:57,760
Speaker 1: you find how to calibrate your levels, then you know

1171
01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:01,120
Speaker 1: how you know when you're above or below. It's just

1172
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:03,840
Speaker 1: stop listening to everyone else's stuff. Your body will tell you.

1173
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 1: It's actually really smart. It figures out. And I'm the

1174
01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:07,560
Speaker 1: same as you. I need eight and a half to

1175
01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:09,880
Speaker 1: nine hours a night and people are like, but you

1176
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:12,360
Speaker 1: do more than anybody, And I'm like, because I sleep

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01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:13,920
Speaker 1: eight and a half and nine hours a night, Like

1178
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:17,600
Speaker 1: every other hour of the day is jam packed because

1179
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:21,000
Speaker 1: I do that, and like sometimes I nap because sometimes

1180
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:23,240
Speaker 1: I need more. And that's how I'm bubbly all the time.

1181
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:24,440
Speaker 1: It is because I sleep enough.

1182
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:28,360
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And I think everyone can actually just take some

1183
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:33,240
Speaker 2: time out of their lives to consider what that actually

1184
01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:37,160
Speaker 2: means and then you create and design your life around it. Totally,

1185
01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:40,560
Speaker 2: because we sort of talk about health being everything if

1186
01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:42,520
Speaker 2: you haven't got your health and you know, all those

1187
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:44,959
Speaker 2: sort of yeah, what do you have your body people,

1188
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:48,400
Speaker 2: but they don't actually act accordingly.

1189
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:51,600
Speaker 1: Oh totally. So I think they think they do. I

1190
01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:54,880
Speaker 1: think they just haven't learnt that they're just living up

1191
01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:58,080
Speaker 1: to whatever the you know, stock standard rules are, and

1192
01:01:58,120 --> 01:02:00,280
Speaker 1: it's like, you haven't actually taken account of the fact

1193
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:03,000
Speaker 1: that your body is totally different than the person who

1194
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:05,840
Speaker 1: set these rules. So they're like, I'm doing I'm ticking on,

1195
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:07,000
Speaker 1: you know. I used to be like that. I was like,

1196
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:08,960
Speaker 1: I'm doing the exercise, I'm doing this slave my mom,

1197
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:11,160
Speaker 1: bl blah blah. But I had no brain break and

1198
01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:14,240
Speaker 1: so there was like just such a key element missing,

1199
01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:17,160
Speaker 1: and I didn't understand that I get anxiety, I need

1200
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:20,480
Speaker 1: more downtime for my brain than the average person probably does.

1201
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:23,760
Speaker 1: It took me like ten years to learn that and

1202
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:26,200
Speaker 1: then another five to like actually do something about it.

1203
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:28,920
Speaker 2: But the good news is nobody knows your body like

1204
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:31,240
Speaker 2: you know your body totally, and your body has your back,

1205
01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:33,160
Speaker 2: It tells you what it needs.

1206
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:35,800
Speaker 3: So it's just about really connecting to it.

1207
01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:36,280
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1208
01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:39,480
Speaker 1: Absolutely. So that brings us to the last segment, which

1209
01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:42,640
Speaker 1: is my favorite, called playta, which is where we separate

1210
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:47,280
Speaker 1: ourselves from work and achievement and productivity and unleash the

1211
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:49,560
Speaker 1: you that is you when you're just in your childlike

1212
01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:54,240
Speaker 1: state doing things for pleasure for joy. So firstly, do

1213
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:58,120
Speaker 1: you make time for yourself to just play? And secondly,

1214
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:01,120
Speaker 1: if you do, are those things?

1215
01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:01,959
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1216
01:03:02,200 --> 01:03:05,040
Speaker 1: I do so.

1217
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:09,520
Speaker 2: Look I always make the time, and you know, for example,

1218
01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:12,520
Speaker 2: I try and bring my kids sometimes to work if

1219
01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:14,520
Speaker 2: I'm doing you know, I travel a lot and they

1220
01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:16,640
Speaker 2: can't come all the time, of course, but you know,

1221
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:19,520
Speaker 2: if it's I don't know. I took my eldest son,

1222
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:22,360
Speaker 2: who's now thirteen, to Channel nine when I had an

1223
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:25,440
Speaker 2: interview and he met Sonya Kruger, and I swear the

1224
01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:27,479
Speaker 2: look in his eyes it was love. At first said

1225
01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:33,080
Speaker 2: I've never listened to this for me, you know, sometimes

1226
01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:35,480
Speaker 2: traveling with my kids that that's a bit of fun,

1227
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:38,120
Speaker 2: because that's balance as well. We recently went to Alice

1228
01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:40,720
Speaker 2: Springs just a few weeks ago. I had a talk

1229
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:43,600
Speaker 2: in Alice and I thought, hey, let's go to Ularu. Let's,

1230
01:03:44,080 --> 01:03:47,200
Speaker 2: you know, get on some camels and then have dinner

1231
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:50,680
Speaker 2: under the stars. I mean, why not, absolutely, why not.

1232
01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:56,120
Speaker 2: I actually think that people forget to honor the inner child.

1233
01:03:56,280 --> 01:03:57,959
Speaker 2: I think you've got a lot of it. I can see.

1234
01:03:58,760 --> 01:04:01,200
Speaker 1: I'm I doesn't have a problem.

1235
01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:06,040
Speaker 2: Not you that. I do think people do take adulting

1236
01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:11,120
Speaker 2: way too seriously. Sure you know, I was at a walking.

1237
01:04:10,840 --> 01:04:13,600
Speaker 3: The other day with my dog and there was mud.

1238
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:18,880
Speaker 1: And your dog went straight through the mud. I went, yes.

1239
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:21,680
Speaker 2: I mean no one was around, and I didn't expected

1240
01:04:21,720 --> 01:04:23,240
Speaker 2: to tell this story, but I just thought of when

1241
01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:25,920
Speaker 2: you see that fun and play and I am squelching,

1242
01:04:26,040 --> 01:04:29,920
Speaker 2: and yeah it was, and mud squelching. It's kind of

1243
01:04:30,120 --> 01:04:32,280
Speaker 2: sounds very similar to another sound. And that I had

1244
01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:33,120
Speaker 2: the giggles about that.

1245
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:36,040
Speaker 1: By yourself.

1246
01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:38,240
Speaker 2: That's all by myself. No one to share that with

1247
01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:41,240
Speaker 2: the except my dog. But look, I think life presents

1248
01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:46,840
Speaker 2: endless opportunities for us to have to have fun and

1249
01:04:48,520 --> 01:04:51,200
Speaker 2: we need to we need to play more, we need

1250
01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:52,040
Speaker 2: to laugh more.

1251
01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:55,040
Speaker 3: We need to not take it oh so seriously.

1252
01:04:56,080 --> 01:04:58,880
Speaker 2: So whether it's you know, taking my kids to the

1253
01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:03,040
Speaker 2: office on a plane or last month I went horse riding,

1254
01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:05,760
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, I was actually reading Pete Evans' book,

1255
01:05:07,440 --> 01:05:10,160
Speaker 2: and Pete Evans he gets a bad rap. But I've

1256
01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:12,560
Speaker 2: had a couple of conversations with that guy and I

1257
01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:15,200
Speaker 2: actually really dig him. He's got a lot of cool

1258
01:05:15,240 --> 01:05:16,000
Speaker 2: things to say.

1259
01:05:16,600 --> 01:05:20,440
Speaker 1: And yeah, I hosted the Goodness Mean Markets I think

1260
01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:24,280
Speaker 1: recently when he was cooking. He's such a character, such

1261
01:05:24,640 --> 01:05:27,080
Speaker 1: like to give him credit for all the bad rap

1262
01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:30,960
Speaker 1: that he gets. He's entertaining at the bare mid I mean,

1263
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:33,320
Speaker 1: he's awesome. He can hold a crowd. He can like

1264
01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:35,280
Speaker 1: really make your question stuff, even if you're like I

1265
01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:37,800
Speaker 1: don't agree with you, but that's beauty great.

1266
01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:41,080
Speaker 3: But that's what I mean, Like, yeah, he is a character.

1267
01:05:42,080 --> 01:05:45,960
Speaker 2: And I actually think that we should all start prescribing

1268
01:05:46,080 --> 01:05:49,200
Speaker 2: to take what you love and leave the rest absolutely,

1269
01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:51,320
Speaker 2: And we don't do enough of that because we really

1270
01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:54,360
Speaker 2: talk in this black and white. But I was having

1271
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:56,439
Speaker 2: a great conversation with him, and I got his book

1272
01:05:56,480 --> 01:05:59,440
Speaker 2: and I flipped it open. I was sitting in by

1273
01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:01,800
Speaker 2: the fire and the backyard and he said something about

1274
01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:03,960
Speaker 2: horse riding. So then I just booked horse riding, and

1275
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:05,560
Speaker 2: then two days later I'm on a horse.

1276
01:06:05,560 --> 01:06:08,000
Speaker 3: I'm going That's how simple it can be.

1277
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:12,320
Speaker 2: We need to incorporate as much I call them sparkle

1278
01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:15,720
Speaker 2: activities into our life, as much sparkle as we can,

1279
01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:18,880
Speaker 2: because twenty eight thousand days on the planets. It's not

1280
01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:20,040
Speaker 2: a lot of time, is it, No.

1281
01:06:20,520 --> 01:06:22,800
Speaker 1: And I think that's why this whole concept of YA

1282
01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:24,760
Speaker 1: has become such a big thing for me, because I

1283
01:06:24,840 --> 01:06:27,760
Speaker 1: realized I went too far the other way. I'm, you know,

1284
01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:30,320
Speaker 1: a really sparkly person, and for a while I went

1285
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:32,560
Speaker 1: super serious. I went corporate, and then even when I

1286
01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:36,640
Speaker 1: wasn't corporate, I corporatized my business because I was learning

1287
01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:39,040
Speaker 1: all the time and I needed to. You know, I'd

1288
01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:41,120
Speaker 1: go for my walk with the dog and I'd listen

1289
01:06:41,160 --> 01:06:44,080
Speaker 1: to a podcast and think, oh, I'm relaxing. I'm podcasting,

1290
01:06:44,120 --> 01:06:46,360
Speaker 1: but it'd be like about finance, or it'd be something

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Speaker 1: you know, learning that taught me more about business, or

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01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:51,400
Speaker 1: you know, I'd go to an event on the weekend

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01:06:51,480 --> 01:06:54,240
Speaker 1: that was a conference about you know, for business owners

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01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:55,840
Speaker 1: and think that that was a weekend. But I'm like,

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01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:58,959
Speaker 1: that's work that's still in that category of your brain

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01:06:59,120 --> 01:07:02,240
Speaker 1: is on. And that's when people have anxiety, you know.

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01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:05,080
Speaker 1: That's when mine flares is when I don't have at

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01:07:05,240 --> 01:07:07,760
Speaker 1: least one, if not two full days on Saturday and

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01:07:07,840 --> 01:07:13,080
Speaker 1: Sunday of just complete just fluff, like just literally fluffing around,

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01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:17,320
Speaker 1: like keep the footy, walk the dog, read a crime book,

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01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:20,840
Speaker 1: watch a trashy TV show from like you know, season

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01:07:20,920 --> 01:07:22,720
Speaker 1: one to season seven in a night, Like you know,

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01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:24,120
Speaker 1: that's you've got to do it.

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01:07:24,520 --> 01:07:26,439
Speaker 2: You have to do that. Yeah, you know what else?

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01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:29,680
Speaker 2: I enjoy when you're speaking then I can't even imagine

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Speaker 2: you not being playful.

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01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:33,160
Speaker 1: It happens.

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Speaker 3: I met you in recent years, former years.

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Speaker 1: I reckon. It only lasted probably two years where I

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01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:44,280
Speaker 1: was really serious, and that was when I was like,

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01:07:44,440 --> 01:07:47,160
Speaker 1: I'm a corporate lawyer, Like this is serious. I am

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01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:50,120
Speaker 1: an adult. I am fully grown, you know. And I

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01:07:50,240 --> 01:07:52,600
Speaker 1: got off it on being like an adult and with

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01:07:52,720 --> 01:07:55,040
Speaker 1: my shit together, and then I think I just got

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01:07:55,080 --> 01:07:57,040
Speaker 1: over it really fast. I was like, no, I want

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01:07:57,040 --> 01:07:59,760
Speaker 1: to be yay, I want to be crazy, And it

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01:07:59,880 --> 01:08:01,600
Speaker 1: was so That was a really big part of finding

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01:08:01,640 --> 01:08:03,880
Speaker 1: myself because I think I had to do that to

1319
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:06,760
Speaker 1: remind myself that that's not me, and I had to

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01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:08,680
Speaker 1: do it for a little while to be sure that

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01:08:09,200 --> 01:08:11,560
Speaker 1: that wasn't. You know, there is a serious nerdy side

1322
01:08:11,560 --> 01:08:14,800
Speaker 1: of me, but it's very it's not dominant. And I

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01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:17,519
Speaker 1: love now just being like everything is fun everything. And

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01:08:17,560 --> 01:08:19,760
Speaker 1: I always am like, oh, I'm getting too old for this.

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01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:24,160
Speaker 2: No, never, absolutely not. And you're getting too old? No,

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01:08:24,280 --> 01:08:25,720
Speaker 2: we can't. We can never talk about that.

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01:08:25,880 --> 01:08:27,519
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone's too you know. But you know,

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01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:29,679
Speaker 1: sometimes you pull yourself up and you're like, is this childish?

1329
01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:31,559
Speaker 1: And I'm like, yes, it is, and that is why

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01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:32,560
Speaker 1: it's a great thing to do.

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01:08:33,760 --> 01:08:35,439
Speaker 2: And I guess you know, it doesn't have to be

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01:08:35,760 --> 01:08:39,600
Speaker 2: these it's huge, big activity. No, it could just be

1333
01:08:40,280 --> 01:08:43,439
Speaker 2: throwing on the tunes. I was cooking kids dinner in

1334
01:08:43,479 --> 01:08:46,240
Speaker 2: my jockx the other day, I don't even know. Halfway

1335
01:08:46,280 --> 01:08:50,679
Speaker 2: through doing something else, I getting dressed and then started cooking.

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01:08:50,840 --> 01:08:52,439
Speaker 3: Having a dad, but just having a dance.

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01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:56,200
Speaker 2: We can always find ways to inject more fun into

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01:08:56,640 --> 01:09:00,200
Speaker 2: every activity. I had some papers to read recently which

1339
01:09:00,200 --> 01:09:03,479
Speaker 2: were really hard and heavy research papers. So I did.

1340
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:07,000
Speaker 2: I went to the park with a bean bag in

1341
01:09:07,040 --> 01:09:09,120
Speaker 2: the back of my car and just sat under a tree.

1342
01:09:09,360 --> 01:09:12,160
Speaker 2: And so that experience in my office could have been like,

1343
01:09:12,240 --> 01:09:14,600
Speaker 2: oh my god, I'm reading research papers. Yeah, but you

1344
01:09:14,680 --> 01:09:17,520
Speaker 2: made it like we always have that opportunity.

1345
01:09:17,800 --> 01:09:19,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I agree. I don't think it has to

1346
01:09:19,320 --> 01:09:22,760
Speaker 1: be like book an escape to the Dalsford Country and

1347
01:09:22,920 --> 01:09:24,799
Speaker 1: get a horse riding blah blah blah. It can literally

1348
01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:27,840
Speaker 1: be like pick up a book, read Harry Potter again,

1349
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:29,880
Speaker 1: you know, do just small and put on a TV

1350
01:09:29,960 --> 01:09:31,840
Speaker 1: show at last for fifteen minutes, but put on something

1351
01:09:31,880 --> 01:09:33,960
Speaker 1: that you don't usually let yourself watch. Like Nick and

1352
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:35,719
Speaker 1: I have this. I don't know if I've said this before.

1353
01:09:35,760 --> 01:09:38,600
Speaker 1: It's really embarrassing, but we have this. Literally it's a

1354
01:09:38,720 --> 01:09:43,000
Speaker 1: literal cartoon network show and it's all cartoons. It's from Career,

1355
01:09:43,120 --> 01:09:46,599
Speaker 1: I think, and it's these three bears that are brothers

1356
01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:48,559
Speaker 1: and they stuck on top of each other when they

1357
01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:50,080
Speaker 1: walk and we saw it, I don't know, we must

1358
01:09:50,120 --> 01:09:51,680
Speaker 1: have been like on a plane or something. We saw

1359
01:09:51,720 --> 01:09:54,080
Speaker 1: it and just thought they was so cute. And they're

1360
01:09:54,120 --> 01:09:56,720
Speaker 1: ten minute episodes. They're four children, one hundred percent, and

1361
01:09:56,800 --> 01:10:00,080
Speaker 1: we just watched them sometimes, like because they're cute and

1362
01:10:00,160 --> 01:10:02,479
Speaker 1: you feel cute. There's little messages in them, like when

1363
01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:04,280
Speaker 1: we're working on our laptops doing stuff we don't really

1364
01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:05,200
Speaker 1: want to be doing, we put it on in the

1365
01:10:05,280 --> 01:10:08,400
Speaker 1: background and I'm like, wow, I can see I was

1366
01:10:08,479 --> 01:10:12,439
Speaker 1: watching these shows on purpose. But it's just fun, you know.

1367
01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:14,240
Speaker 1: It's lighthearted and like we're.

1368
01:10:14,200 --> 01:10:16,680
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, it's cute and it's not hurting anyone, do it.

1369
01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:18,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, and if it makes you feel good, who cares?

1370
01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:19,160
Speaker 2: Totally?

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01:10:19,360 --> 01:10:25,519
Speaker 1: Anyway, we digress, So, just to finish up, what are

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01:10:25,560 --> 01:10:28,200
Speaker 1: the three interesting things about you that don't normally come

1373
01:10:28,280 --> 01:10:32,479
Speaker 1: up in conversation, and particularly since you get interviewed a lot.

1374
01:10:32,479 --> 01:10:35,000
Speaker 1: I'm sure that's a hard thing to think of three,

1375
01:10:35,479 --> 01:10:38,360
Speaker 1: but these are the fun things. Like someone this morning

1376
01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:39,759
Speaker 1: who had really long toes.

1377
01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:43,679
Speaker 2: I was like, wow, oh that's so helpful. Yeah, huge

1378
01:10:43,760 --> 01:10:47,280
Speaker 2: gap between my first and my second toes, really enormous.

1379
01:10:47,439 --> 01:10:50,800
Speaker 2: In fact, my friends always pay me out about it

1380
01:10:50,880 --> 01:10:54,240
Speaker 2: when we go camping. Yeah, they want to look at it.

1381
01:10:54,320 --> 01:10:56,200
Speaker 2: And then the other day I just sent it to

1382
01:10:56,320 --> 01:10:58,920
Speaker 2: my one of my best friends, like hashtag toe gap.

1383
01:11:00,040 --> 01:11:03,120
Speaker 1: It's like a thigh gap and a doe gap, but

1384
01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:04,759
Speaker 1: that would be really useful for thongs.

1385
01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:07,800
Speaker 2: I was watching Survivor last night and they had this

1386
01:11:08,479 --> 01:11:10,720
Speaker 2: this challenge where they had to pick things like pull

1387
01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:12,840
Speaker 2: things out with their feet, Like, I don't even know

1388
01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:14,880
Speaker 2: how to describe it, but look, you wouldn't have a

1389
01:11:14,920 --> 01:11:17,679
Speaker 2: big gap between it was all mine.

1390
01:11:18,040 --> 01:11:21,000
Speaker 1: I mean, it's useful in enormous amount of situations that

1391
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:27,760
Speaker 1: you wouldn't expect, So I mean that's a plus. Do

1392
01:11:27,800 --> 01:11:30,840
Speaker 1: you have any like party tricks or you know, weird

1393
01:11:30,920 --> 01:11:34,679
Speaker 1: habits or pet peeves, pet peeve.

1394
01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:38,280
Speaker 2: I definitely know. I'm very numb. I stay right, nothing

1395
01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:41,839
Speaker 2: bothers me too much. But on the roads, when someone's

1396
01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:45,160
Speaker 2: turning left and they swing out right, oh yeah left, No,

1397
01:11:45,439 --> 01:11:48,960
Speaker 2: I'm like, you are not driving a race guy, Okay.

1398
01:11:50,040 --> 01:11:52,360
Speaker 1: It's forty klos an hour. You don't need to swing out.

1399
01:11:54,120 --> 01:11:57,280
Speaker 2: And then on the same theme, I'm an over thank you. Oh.

1400
01:11:57,320 --> 01:11:58,479
Speaker 2: I was just about to say.

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01:11:58,920 --> 01:12:01,880
Speaker 1: My version of that is and someone you know, in

1402
01:12:01,960 --> 01:12:05,360
Speaker 1: a one way street someone pulls into the side, I'm like,

1403
01:12:05,439 --> 01:12:07,679
Speaker 1: I have to know they acknowledge my I'm like Sharon's

1404
01:12:07,680 --> 01:12:11,160
Speaker 1: res Luki and you know, Kathy Kim I'm like wave

1405
01:12:11,560 --> 01:12:14,240
Speaker 1: what And if I pull over and they don't wave,

1406
01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:17,000
Speaker 1: it's like my days yond I'm like, you are an asshole.

1407
01:12:17,240 --> 01:12:20,000
Speaker 1: I just pulled over for you and you didn't wave

1408
01:12:20,040 --> 01:12:21,040
Speaker 1: to I didn't get my wave.

1409
01:12:21,479 --> 01:12:23,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's outrageous, rageous.

1410
01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:25,439
Speaker 1: I pulled it over for you.

1411
01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:28,360
Speaker 2: So I do the double wave like thank you, and

1412
01:12:28,439 --> 01:12:31,080
Speaker 2: I'm like thank you a second time, and then I

1413
01:12:31,200 --> 01:12:35,519
Speaker 2: do the rear vision wave. You're a trivial Oh my god.

1414
01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:38,320
Speaker 1: See, I'm just a long hold wave. I might try

1415
01:12:38,360 --> 01:12:41,720
Speaker 1: that sometimes, yeah, because then there's no up and down productive. Yeah.

1416
01:12:41,720 --> 01:12:45,559
Speaker 1: It's just a you know, solid, strong long wave.

1417
01:12:45,720 --> 01:12:47,080
Speaker 3: There's no denying that that's what.

1418
01:12:47,400 --> 01:12:50,160
Speaker 1: It's a clear wave. Yeah, just in cases it's kind

1419
01:12:50,200 --> 01:12:53,479
Speaker 1: of more like a hand up, like you know, so

1420
01:12:53,640 --> 01:12:59,200
Speaker 1: that it's in the rear view. Yeah, it's great. And

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01:12:59,320 --> 01:13:01,760
Speaker 1: final question, since I love quotes so much, what is

1422
01:13:01,800 --> 01:13:02,599
Speaker 1: your favorite quote.

1423
01:13:03,080 --> 01:13:07,160
Speaker 2: I don't want to be a narcissist, but it's quote Yes,

1424
01:13:07,760 --> 01:13:11,479
Speaker 2: this is the only because it's just how it's everything

1425
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:14,240
Speaker 2: comes from this quote. I live my life by this quote.

1426
01:13:14,320 --> 01:13:15,439
Speaker 1: Oh then that's perfect.

1427
01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:16,679
Speaker 3: It's what you said earlier.

1428
01:13:16,840 --> 01:13:19,679
Speaker 2: My body is not an ornament. It is the vehicle.

1429
01:13:19,880 --> 01:13:20,599
Speaker 2: To my dreams.

1430
01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:22,720
Speaker 3: It just says everything about.

1431
01:13:22,680 --> 01:13:25,880
Speaker 2: Who I am and how I live my life. And yes,

1432
01:13:26,200 --> 01:13:28,800
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I love it so much.

1433
01:13:29,400 --> 01:13:32,920
Speaker 1: No, not at all. It's that's such an Australian thing

1434
01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:35,599
Speaker 1: as well, for us to play us ourselves down when

1435
01:13:35,640 --> 01:13:37,240
Speaker 1: we're like, I've got a really good quote. It's a

1436
01:13:37,240 --> 01:13:40,719
Speaker 1: good idea, I think celebrated. It is a beautiful quote

1437
01:13:40,720 --> 01:13:42,760
Speaker 1: and I think it does really sum up everything that

1438
01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:44,560
Speaker 1: you do and everything you want to do and you

1439
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:46,160
Speaker 1: want other people to do for themselves.

1440
01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:47,280
Speaker 2: It is.

1441
01:13:47,439 --> 01:13:50,320
Speaker 1: It's something we need to reframe that relationship with our bodies.

1442
01:13:50,360 --> 01:13:53,320
Speaker 1: It's not We're not forcing it into it. It's not

1443
01:13:53,479 --> 01:13:56,600
Speaker 1: meant to be optical. It's not meant to just like

1444
01:13:56,920 --> 01:13:59,439
Speaker 1: look a certain way. It is the way that we

1445
01:13:59,680 --> 01:14:02,479
Speaker 1: It's our whole experience of life is through our body.

1446
01:14:03,280 --> 01:14:06,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is our home. And if we want to

1447
01:14:06,920 --> 01:14:10,479
Speaker 2: be all that we can be, and you as a wife,

1448
01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:13,120
Speaker 2: as a mother, as a friend, as a business owner,

1449
01:14:14,160 --> 01:14:18,559
Speaker 2: as a leader, having this exceptional relationship with your body

1450
01:14:18,680 --> 01:14:20,320
Speaker 2: is where it all begins. If you want to.

1451
01:14:20,400 --> 01:14:23,679
Speaker 4: Level up, if you want to go crazy on whatever

1452
01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:30,080
Speaker 4: your goals are, it's all about treating this with respect

1453
01:14:30,320 --> 01:14:34,679
Speaker 4: and kindness because we weren't born into the world hating

1454
01:14:34,720 --> 01:14:35,240
Speaker 4: our bodies.

1455
01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:38,880
Speaker 2: This was a learned behavior that we can unlearn. It

1456
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:41,920
Speaker 2: is not our soul's purpose to hate it.

1457
01:14:42,040 --> 01:14:44,200
Speaker 3: So let's just get on with it, have some fun,

1458
01:14:44,640 --> 01:14:46,200
Speaker 3: spread the goodness, kick.

1459
01:14:46,120 --> 01:14:48,479
Speaker 1: Goals or you're doing an amazing job at it.

1460
01:14:49,280 --> 01:14:52,120
Speaker 2: Thank you. I'm just like reflecting, going did we talk

1461
01:14:52,120 --> 01:14:52,840
Speaker 2: about my tone?

1462
01:14:55,120 --> 01:14:55,719
Speaker 1: We're sure.

1463
01:14:57,760 --> 01:14:59,519
Speaker 2: I like the level of deepness that you go.

1464
01:15:00,200 --> 01:15:04,200
Speaker 1: You know, it's toe toe gaps. It's deeply changing the world.

1465
01:15:04,400 --> 01:15:08,040
Speaker 1: We cover everything really, I mean diversity, right, diversity.

1466
01:15:08,280 --> 01:15:12,320
Speaker 2: The one thing we did cover was actually, you're gonna

1467
01:15:12,320 --> 01:15:13,400
Speaker 2: be like, why are we going back in?

1468
01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:15,200
Speaker 1: And I was just wrapping it out now I love

1469
01:15:15,280 --> 01:15:18,240
Speaker 1: the back in. Really take me back? Yeah, just really quickly.

1470
01:15:18,479 --> 01:15:22,559
Speaker 2: Yemen that we don't self pleasure enough.

1471
01:15:22,720 --> 01:15:24,960
Speaker 3: And I know that just sounds very random, but I'm

1472
01:15:25,400 --> 01:15:26,559
Speaker 3: doing some research.

1473
01:15:27,400 --> 01:15:29,120
Speaker 1: We toe gap self yep.

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01:15:32,120 --> 01:15:33,600
Speaker 5: I just I want to put it out there to

1475
01:15:33,680 --> 01:15:37,360
Speaker 5: all the women that it's it's good for our health,

1476
01:15:37,920 --> 01:15:41,479
Speaker 5: it's good for our creativity, and we don't have to

1477
01:15:41,600 --> 01:15:42,880
Speaker 5: have a partner for those of.

1478
01:15:42,880 --> 01:15:46,160
Speaker 4: You who don't to be able to tap into that

1479
01:15:46,640 --> 01:15:48,280
Speaker 4: very powerful sexual energy.

1480
01:15:48,479 --> 01:15:51,960
Speaker 2: So we are leaving this podcast on that.

1481
01:16:01,040 --> 01:16:04,960
Speaker 1: That's the best ending ever. That is not quite where

1482
01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:07,320
Speaker 1: I thought you would circle back to, but I'm really

1483
01:16:07,439 --> 01:16:08,040
Speaker 1: happy with it.

1484
01:16:10,880 --> 01:16:11,040
Speaker 2: You know.

1485
01:16:11,280 --> 01:16:13,799
Speaker 1: It's another thing that you do is you break taboo

1486
01:16:13,960 --> 01:16:16,040
Speaker 1: on things that people won't talk about that are good

1487
01:16:16,040 --> 01:16:18,599
Speaker 1: for them. And I think that's really important. I wouldn't

1488
01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:19,840
Speaker 1: have gone there but talk.

1489
01:16:19,720 --> 01:16:22,160
Speaker 2: About it all the time. They totally talk.

1490
01:16:22,400 --> 01:16:24,040
Speaker 1: No shame. I mean, it's not to be at all,

1491
01:16:24,120 --> 01:16:25,720
Speaker 1: but I should have been.

1492
01:16:26,479 --> 01:16:26,960
Speaker 2: That's right.

1493
01:16:27,240 --> 01:16:29,080
Speaker 1: So, oh my god, as we.

1494
01:16:29,160 --> 01:16:33,800
Speaker 2: Sit in my hotel room, it's time to leave you.

1495
01:16:34,160 --> 01:16:38,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna go bye. Thank you so much for this.

1496
01:16:38,920 --> 01:16:39,759
Speaker 2: It's my pleasure.

1497
01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:43,240
Speaker 1: I am so excited for Embraced kids and I just

1498
01:16:43,320 --> 01:16:43,760
Speaker 1: can't wait.

1499
01:16:44,280 --> 01:16:47,000
Speaker 2: Thank you for having me what This has been my

1500
01:16:47,160 --> 01:16:52,920
Speaker 2: favorite interview ever, no true story. I think everybody's listening

1501
01:16:52,960 --> 01:16:58,280
Speaker 2: would just know how how lovable you are. It's been

1502
01:16:58,439 --> 01:16:58,880
Speaker 2: good fun.

1503
01:16:59,120 --> 01:17:01,479
Speaker 1: Oh good. Yeah, I'm like, can we just keep chatting?

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Speaker 1: How long can my episodes co for?

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Speaker 2: How long we've been actually doing?

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Speaker 1: Like an hour and a half so good? Oh my gosh,

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Speaker 1: don't you just adore her? If you haven't watched Embrace,

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Speaker 1: I cannot encourage you enough. To go and watch it,

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Speaker 1: and like we mentioned, if you have even a dollar

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Speaker 1: to spare, you couldn't put it to better use than

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Speaker 1: to donate to getting Embrace Kids off the ground. I've

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Speaker 1: popped lots of links in the show notes for you,

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Speaker 1: and if you're enjoying listening, please do screenshot and share

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Speaker 1: the YA tagging at Body Image Movement and myself. This

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Speaker 1: week actually marks the one year anniversary of the podcast,

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Speaker 1: and we just clocked over ten thousand followers on the

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Speaker 1: Instagram account perfect timing just this week, so I just

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Speaker 1: wanted to pass on yet another huge thank you for

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Speaker 1: being on the journey and for all your ongoing love

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Speaker 1: and support to keep this podcast going. It really means

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Speaker 1: the world, and I hope you get as much out

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Speaker 1: of these conversations as I do. If you're having a

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Speaker 1: wonderful day and is seizing your yay h