1 00:00:10,327 --> 00:00:13,047 Speaker 1: You're listening to Amma mea podcast. 2 00:00:13,727 --> 00:00:16,767 Speaker 2: Mamma Mere acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters 3 00:00:16,807 --> 00:00:24,047 Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on Hello and welcome to 4 00:00:24,127 --> 00:00:24,647 Speaker 2: Mamma Mia. 5 00:00:24,727 --> 00:00:25,167 Speaker 3: Out loud. 6 00:00:25,247 --> 00:00:27,527 Speaker 2: It's what women are actually talking about on Wednesday, the 7 00:00:27,567 --> 00:00:29,847 Speaker 2: fifth of June. And my name is Holly Wainwright. 8 00:00:30,167 --> 00:00:30,967 Speaker 1: Well, that's good tonight. 9 00:00:31,087 --> 00:00:34,527 Speaker 3: I'm treatment and I'm am Vernon filling in for Jesse today. 10 00:00:34,567 --> 00:00:36,967 Speaker 3: You might have heard me on our daily entertainment podcast 11 00:00:36,967 --> 00:00:37,327 Speaker 3: as well. 12 00:00:37,607 --> 00:00:42,047 Speaker 2: Welcome, welcome m on today's show too embarrassing Dad's face off, 13 00:00:42,247 --> 00:00:45,327 Speaker 2: a prime minister who's trying to lose, and Britain's Trump 14 00:00:45,367 --> 00:00:49,167 Speaker 2: saying hold my beer, my very chaotic and biased rundown. 15 00:00:48,727 --> 00:00:50,247 Speaker 3: Of what's going on in the UK election? 16 00:00:50,487 --> 00:00:52,087 Speaker 1: Will there be a skirt and will it have shot 17 00:00:52,127 --> 00:00:52,287 Speaker 1: on it? 18 00:00:52,487 --> 00:00:53,887 Speaker 2: Almost certainly out loud. 19 00:00:53,687 --> 00:00:54,207 Speaker 1: As well to know. 20 00:00:54,567 --> 00:00:57,767 Speaker 2: Plus everybody wants and I do have to check my 21 00:00:57,807 --> 00:01:01,887 Speaker 2: notes here, sexy rodent boyfriend correct, this is apparently what 22 00:01:01,967 --> 00:01:02,807 Speaker 2: gen Z wants. 23 00:01:02,887 --> 00:01:05,527 Speaker 3: And seriously, I thought the sock chat was a lot. 24 00:01:05,807 --> 00:01:09,047 Speaker 2: And the Billionaire ex Wives Club changing the world, but 25 00:01:09,367 --> 00:01:11,087 Speaker 2: first me a Friedman. 26 00:01:10,927 --> 00:01:14,407 Speaker 1: Okati you missed it and otherwise dull Senate Estimates hearing. 27 00:01:14,807 --> 00:01:17,727 Speaker 1: Is there any how to comment was livened up when 28 00:01:17,727 --> 00:01:22,047 Speaker 1: a liberal senator suddenly made an interesting comment that everybody 29 00:01:22,287 --> 00:01:25,607 Speaker 1: laughed about. This off the cuff comment by liberal Senator 30 00:01:25,647 --> 00:01:28,727 Speaker 1: for Victoria and Shadow Minister for Finance, Senator Jane Hume 31 00:01:29,487 --> 00:01:33,767 Speaker 1: was made in Budget Estimates twenty twenty four Economics Legislation 32 00:01:33,847 --> 00:01:38,527 Speaker 1: Committee hearing. Anyone's still listening anyway? It was on Tuesday 33 00:01:39,087 --> 00:01:43,207 Speaker 1: and the chair of as sick. I don't even know anyway, 34 00:01:43,527 --> 00:01:45,647 Speaker 1: Joe Longo, anyway, just listen. 35 00:01:45,847 --> 00:01:48,727 Speaker 3: Mister Longo. I feel this is very awkward. 36 00:01:48,767 --> 00:01:50,687 Speaker 1: Every time I see mister Longo now it seems to 37 00:01:50,687 --> 00:01:54,367 Speaker 1: be at the gym on Saturday mornings. So I apologize. 38 00:01:53,727 --> 00:01:55,207 Speaker 2: For the lycra. 39 00:01:56,767 --> 00:02:00,607 Speaker 1: But yours, let's. 40 00:02:00,367 --> 00:02:03,247 Speaker 3: Wherethy men have seen me and farlest. I want to 41 00:02:03,247 --> 00:02:05,927 Speaker 3: reassure the committee that I will never be seen in like. 42 00:02:07,767 --> 00:02:08,727 Speaker 2: Reassure the committee. 43 00:02:11,447 --> 00:02:13,047 Speaker 1: Oh, I think it's important they have a laugh. I 44 00:02:13,127 --> 00:02:17,167 Speaker 1: just thought that was the cool Well, you know, how 45 00:02:17,207 --> 00:02:18,967 Speaker 1: boring is it. They've got to stay right, But I 46 00:02:19,047 --> 00:02:21,487 Speaker 1: loved what she said, less worthy men have seen me 47 00:02:21,487 --> 00:02:23,287 Speaker 1: in far less I just thought that was the coolest 48 00:02:23,287 --> 00:02:25,407 Speaker 1: thing to say, you know, do you ever think about 49 00:02:25,407 --> 00:02:28,927 Speaker 1: how many people have seen you naked, Like which particular 50 00:02:28,967 --> 00:02:31,087 Speaker 1: people have seen you naked, and whether they were worthy 51 00:02:31,167 --> 00:02:32,367 Speaker 1: of ever seeing you naked. 52 00:02:32,407 --> 00:02:34,567 Speaker 3: It's true, I didn't actually go that deep when I 53 00:02:34,567 --> 00:02:35,407 Speaker 3: watched this video. 54 00:02:35,967 --> 00:02:38,447 Speaker 2: I didn't actually ever consider that it was a privilege 55 00:02:38,487 --> 00:02:39,047 Speaker 2: to see. 56 00:02:38,847 --> 00:02:39,327 Speaker 4: Me make it. 57 00:02:39,407 --> 00:02:40,767 Speaker 3: But hey, now you put it that way. 58 00:02:41,087 --> 00:02:43,167 Speaker 2: I do I like about this, Like there are more 59 00:02:43,207 --> 00:02:46,247 Speaker 2: serious issues, correct, but it's one of those little moments 60 00:02:46,247 --> 00:02:48,287 Speaker 2: that lifts the lid. Like they all go to the 61 00:02:48,327 --> 00:02:49,687 Speaker 2: same gym, do you know what I mean? 62 00:02:49,807 --> 00:02:52,047 Speaker 3: Like the fact that these conversations on the party. 63 00:02:52,167 --> 00:02:54,567 Speaker 2: Yeah, these politicians are bumping into each other in the 64 00:02:54,607 --> 00:02:56,487 Speaker 2: gym in the morning, seeing each other in the lycra 65 00:02:56,887 --> 00:02:58,207 Speaker 2: I kind of like to know that. 66 00:02:58,327 --> 00:03:00,127 Speaker 3: I thought that was funny. Has she been getting any 67 00:03:00,127 --> 00:03:00,567 Speaker 3: ship for that? 68 00:03:00,847 --> 00:03:02,887 Speaker 1: No, I don't think so. People think it's funny. I 69 00:03:02,887 --> 00:03:03,647 Speaker 1: think it's funny. 70 00:03:03,807 --> 00:03:07,087 Speaker 3: I am very proud of her because this is what 71 00:03:07,127 --> 00:03:08,847 Speaker 3: I see sometimes when I'm talking to both of you. 72 00:03:09,367 --> 00:03:11,327 Speaker 3: In my head, I have this one singer and I 73 00:03:11,367 --> 00:03:12,567 Speaker 3: know we're going to be talking about something, and I 74 00:03:12,607 --> 00:03:13,887 Speaker 3: want to say it, and then I want to leave 75 00:03:13,927 --> 00:03:15,527 Speaker 3: the room, and I want you both to be talking 76 00:03:15,527 --> 00:03:18,127 Speaker 3: about me afterwards and saying how funny, And that's exactly 77 00:03:18,127 --> 00:03:18,847 Speaker 3: what she was doing. 78 00:03:19,047 --> 00:03:22,287 Speaker 1: She did, she singed mad respect Jane Hume. 79 00:03:23,047 --> 00:03:25,167 Speaker 2: Have you ever tried to get fired because you hated 80 00:03:25,207 --> 00:03:27,727 Speaker 2: your job, or maybe tried to get your partners to 81 00:03:27,807 --> 00:03:28,247 Speaker 2: dump you. 82 00:03:28,207 --> 00:03:30,367 Speaker 3: Because you were two girlss to call it yourself? 83 00:03:30,487 --> 00:03:33,047 Speaker 2: Oh I think hony men do that, or pretended you 84 00:03:33,087 --> 00:03:35,367 Speaker 2: didn't know how to do something so that nobody ever 85 00:03:35,447 --> 00:03:38,047 Speaker 2: asks you to do it again. Hello Jesse Stevens and 86 00:03:38,127 --> 00:03:42,287 Speaker 2: the Bolonnaise. Well, something similar is happening in Great Britain 87 00:03:42,487 --> 00:03:46,527 Speaker 2: right now, where the sitting Prime Minister Rishi Sunak appears 88 00:03:46,567 --> 00:03:50,767 Speaker 2: to be trying to lose a general election because, let's 89 00:03:50,847 --> 00:03:53,447 Speaker 2: face it, the shit skirt that is post Brexit Britain 90 00:03:53,487 --> 00:03:55,287 Speaker 2: has become unwearable. 91 00:03:55,607 --> 00:03:58,287 Speaker 3: He's quite quitting. He is so quiet quitting. 92 00:03:58,447 --> 00:04:01,607 Speaker 1: Is he the one that replaced the lady who was 93 00:04:01,647 --> 00:04:05,527 Speaker 1: the lettuce Yes? Oh yeah, and she was like the 94 00:04:05,567 --> 00:04:07,927 Speaker 1: prime minister for two seconds, so they just keep It's 95 00:04:07,967 --> 00:04:09,847 Speaker 1: like the hot potato that no one will to hold on. 96 00:04:09,807 --> 00:04:12,967 Speaker 3: To the leadership of. So this is k It seems 97 00:04:12,967 --> 00:04:13,647 Speaker 3: like quite a big job. 98 00:04:13,647 --> 00:04:16,327 Speaker 2: Why does no one want to welcome to my very 99 00:04:16,407 --> 00:04:20,967 Speaker 2: high brow, definitely biased and rather chaotic explainer of what's 100 00:04:21,007 --> 00:04:21,887 Speaker 2: going on in the UK. 101 00:04:22,087 --> 00:04:24,207 Speaker 1: I don't even know which party REHII. 102 00:04:23,927 --> 00:04:24,687 Speaker 3: But let me talk to you. 103 00:04:24,687 --> 00:04:27,887 Speaker 2: So Rishie Sunak is the Prime minister. Now here's a Tory, 104 00:04:28,007 --> 00:04:31,167 Speaker 2: which is a Conservative, which is in Australian language a liberal, 105 00:04:31,487 --> 00:04:34,447 Speaker 2: pretty much the Liberal party. Yeah, he has been prime 106 00:04:34,487 --> 00:04:38,087 Speaker 2: minister ever since. As you say, Liz trust who is 107 00:04:38,087 --> 00:04:41,767 Speaker 2: the shortest ever serving prime minister, famously lasted less time 108 00:04:41,847 --> 00:04:45,647 Speaker 2: than a supermarket lettuce. They've had five prime ministers over 109 00:04:45,687 --> 00:04:48,047 Speaker 2: the past fourteen years, even though the same party has 110 00:04:48,087 --> 00:04:49,847 Speaker 2: stayed in power for the last fourteen years. 111 00:04:49,927 --> 00:04:51,447 Speaker 1: That's a long time for one party. 112 00:04:51,447 --> 00:04:54,727 Speaker 2: Tories have been in power for fourteen years in Britain. 113 00:04:54,767 --> 00:04:57,887 Speaker 2: Now they don't spice it up, but they have changed 114 00:04:57,927 --> 00:05:00,607 Speaker 2: the leader many times, which is very familiar to us. Yeah, 115 00:05:00,647 --> 00:05:02,607 Speaker 2: we do that because we had that period of time 116 00:05:02,647 --> 00:05:04,447 Speaker 2: where we kept swapping the players in as if it 117 00:05:04,487 --> 00:05:06,527 Speaker 2: was like Pipper's Kids on Home and Away, like you 118 00:05:06,567 --> 00:05:08,647 Speaker 2: won't notice that a new actor is playing the role 119 00:05:08,687 --> 00:05:10,007 Speaker 2: of Australia prime ministers. 120 00:05:10,127 --> 00:05:12,127 Speaker 3: There was a time where I genuinely didn't know who 121 00:05:12,127 --> 00:05:14,207 Speaker 3: our prime minister was exactly. 122 00:05:14,367 --> 00:05:16,527 Speaker 2: It's like that in Britain. So he hasn't been in 123 00:05:16,527 --> 00:05:19,327 Speaker 2: the job very long, but his party have and things 124 00:05:19,327 --> 00:05:22,447 Speaker 2: have not been great lately. The economy is not. 125 00:05:22,447 --> 00:05:23,327 Speaker 3: Very good in Britain. 126 00:05:23,647 --> 00:05:25,807 Speaker 2: The whole cost of living thing there is a lot 127 00:05:25,847 --> 00:05:28,727 Speaker 2: worse than here, and public services like health have been 128 00:05:28,767 --> 00:05:31,207 Speaker 2: really hollowed out by coots, so everybody in Britain is 129 00:05:31,287 --> 00:05:36,567 Speaker 2: really pissed off. Things to know about Sunak are first 130 00:05:36,647 --> 00:05:39,727 Speaker 2: ever non white prime minister, first ever Hindu prime minister, 131 00:05:40,047 --> 00:05:42,607 Speaker 2: one of the youngest ever prime ministers. He's only forty four. 132 00:05:43,127 --> 00:05:47,047 Speaker 2: He is exceptionally rich. He is a former hedge fund 133 00:05:47,087 --> 00:05:49,567 Speaker 2: manager who's married to the daughter of a tech billionaire, 134 00:05:49,567 --> 00:05:51,927 Speaker 2: and they are worth more than seven hundred and thirty 135 00:05:51,967 --> 00:05:56,807 Speaker 2: million pounds that's more than a billion dollars. Friends, and 136 00:05:56,927 --> 00:05:58,647 Speaker 2: also things to know about him. He looks like a 137 00:05:58,647 --> 00:06:00,607 Speaker 2: young dad who's trying to be cool at the school disco. 138 00:06:00,847 --> 00:06:03,487 Speaker 1: Oh yes, I heard that he wore Sambers and then 139 00:06:03,607 --> 00:06:05,887 Speaker 1: suddenly no one wanted to sales dropped. 140 00:06:06,407 --> 00:06:08,967 Speaker 2: He got Sambas canceled in Britain. I was there at 141 00:06:08,967 --> 00:06:11,807 Speaker 2: the time. Was very sad for everybody, but also I 142 00:06:11,847 --> 00:06:14,247 Speaker 2: may have just wasted five minutes because Rishie Sunak is 143 00:06:14,327 --> 00:06:17,207 Speaker 2: definitely not going to be Prime Minister after July fourth, 144 00:06:17,247 --> 00:06:18,847 Speaker 2: so you don't really need to know much about it. 145 00:06:18,807 --> 00:06:21,807 Speaker 1: He called a snap election that caught a lot of 146 00:06:21,847 --> 00:06:23,407 Speaker 1: people by surprise. 147 00:06:23,567 --> 00:06:25,847 Speaker 3: Why did he do that? And what's a snap election? 148 00:06:26,047 --> 00:06:28,127 Speaker 2: So it means that, just like here in Australia, there's 149 00:06:28,127 --> 00:06:30,247 Speaker 2: a term in which you have to call an election. 150 00:06:30,327 --> 00:06:31,807 Speaker 2: So they had to call an election before the end 151 00:06:31,847 --> 00:06:34,647 Speaker 2: of the year because this is four year terms. Right, Yeah, 152 00:06:34,687 --> 00:06:36,247 Speaker 2: but he just went, we're going to have one in 153 00:06:36,327 --> 00:06:37,447 Speaker 2: like three weeks, let's go. 154 00:06:37,647 --> 00:06:38,247 Speaker 3: He can do that. 155 00:06:38,447 --> 00:06:39,367 Speaker 1: He's just over it. 156 00:06:39,527 --> 00:06:42,567 Speaker 2: He is so over it because he knows he's going 157 00:06:42,647 --> 00:06:45,607 Speaker 2: to lose. Right, The guy who's probably going to win 158 00:06:45,927 --> 00:06:48,887 Speaker 2: is the labor leader Kiir Starmer. Now he is a 159 00:06:48,927 --> 00:06:51,927 Speaker 2: former human rights lawyer. He's been leading the party since 160 00:06:51,967 --> 00:06:55,047 Speaker 2: twenty twenty. And sorry, that was a micro sleep because 161 00:06:55,087 --> 00:06:58,927 Speaker 2: Starma is so unbelievably boring that nobody needs to know 162 00:06:58,967 --> 00:06:59,807 Speaker 2: anything about him. 163 00:07:00,087 --> 00:07:02,767 Speaker 1: He's a human rights lawyer. Does he know Mark Cliney, Yes, 164 00:07:02,807 --> 00:07:04,407 Speaker 1: he does, he knows a mile. 165 00:07:04,447 --> 00:07:06,127 Speaker 2: He works for the same chambers she used to work 166 00:07:06,167 --> 00:07:08,127 Speaker 2: for in those Jen Robinson, he knows all those people. 167 00:07:08,687 --> 00:07:11,327 Speaker 3: That's interesting. He's boring, but has some sort of selb peace. 168 00:07:11,687 --> 00:07:13,287 Speaker 1: He's dead mar adjacent. 169 00:07:14,887 --> 00:07:16,727 Speaker 2: He's been in the same ring with the mart he 170 00:07:16,927 --> 00:07:19,887 Speaker 2: is trying to keep himself boring. Labor are running one 171 00:07:19,927 --> 00:07:22,807 Speaker 2: of what they call a small target campaign because the 172 00:07:22,927 --> 00:07:26,127 Speaker 2: Tories are so unpopular that they know they're going to lose, 173 00:07:26,167 --> 00:07:27,687 Speaker 2: and Labor just don't have to fuck it up. 174 00:07:27,767 --> 00:07:29,767 Speaker 3: That's their job. Don't fuck it up. 175 00:07:29,807 --> 00:07:33,807 Speaker 2: So don't say anything, don't stand for anything, don't be interesting. 176 00:07:33,927 --> 00:07:37,247 Speaker 1: Hey, when he called the election, I was reading something 177 00:07:37,287 --> 00:07:39,007 Speaker 1: about he was in the rain with an umbrella. 178 00:07:39,367 --> 00:07:42,207 Speaker 3: Yeah, Mary Poppins over here. 179 00:07:42,447 --> 00:07:45,287 Speaker 2: It was so funny because he stands outside number ten, 180 00:07:45,447 --> 00:07:47,647 Speaker 2: which is like outside the front door of the lodge 181 00:07:47,727 --> 00:07:50,487 Speaker 2: or whatever, right to announce it, and he's doing this 182 00:07:50,567 --> 00:07:52,607 Speaker 2: whole We've got a plan with a safe pair of hands, 183 00:07:52,647 --> 00:07:54,807 Speaker 2: but obviously no one had read the weather forecast and 184 00:07:54,887 --> 00:07:58,687 Speaker 2: he stands out there and it starts absolutely pissing it down, 185 00:07:59,247 --> 00:08:00,927 Speaker 2: and nobody on his staff had a number. 186 00:08:00,927 --> 00:08:01,647 Speaker 3: O oh my god. 187 00:08:01,807 --> 00:08:04,207 Speaker 2: So the Prime Minister of Great Britain standing there, going 188 00:08:04,327 --> 00:08:06,847 Speaker 2: like you're in safe hands, and he is literally as 189 00:08:06,887 --> 00:08:10,367 Speaker 2: well as Taylor swift doing the frickin' ear in Lisbon. 190 00:08:10,487 --> 00:08:11,247 Speaker 3: Oh that's so good. 191 00:08:11,887 --> 00:08:15,367 Speaker 2: Anyway, everything was going along, very boring, very normal, except 192 00:08:15,567 --> 00:08:18,687 Speaker 2: so Sunak, knowing that nobody is going to vote for him, 193 00:08:18,807 --> 00:08:21,487 Speaker 2: is throwing out a few wild policies. You've probably read 194 00:08:21,527 --> 00:08:24,087 Speaker 2: about this one right. He has said that he is 195 00:08:24,247 --> 00:08:28,367 Speaker 2: going to reintroduce national service. So military service, what for 196 00:08:28,727 --> 00:08:32,167 Speaker 2: all Britain's eighteen We have so much. 197 00:08:32,047 --> 00:08:34,287 Speaker 4: To be proud of in Britain, but one of the 198 00:08:34,327 --> 00:08:36,887 Speaker 4: problems in our society is that we have generations of 199 00:08:36,967 --> 00:08:41,327 Speaker 4: young people who don't have the opportunities they deserve. Britain 200 00:08:41,367 --> 00:08:44,687 Speaker 4: today faces a future that is more dangerous and more divided. 201 00:08:45,367 --> 00:08:48,847 Speaker 4: There's no doubt how democratic values are under threat. That 202 00:08:49,007 --> 00:08:51,127 Speaker 4: is why we will introduce a bold new model of 203 00:08:51,207 --> 00:08:54,287 Speaker 4: national service for eighteen year olds to be spent either 204 00:08:54,407 --> 00:08:57,687 Speaker 4: in a competitive full time military commission over twelve months, 205 00:08:58,287 --> 00:09:01,967 Speaker 4: or with one weekend per month volunteering in roles within 206 00:09:02,007 --> 00:09:05,647 Speaker 4: the community, like delivering prescriptions and food to infirm people 207 00:09:06,207 --> 00:09:10,247 Speaker 4: or in search and rescue. Young people will get valuable skills, 208 00:09:10,687 --> 00:09:14,567 Speaker 4: make our country more secure and build a stronger national culture. 209 00:09:15,007 --> 00:09:17,927 Speaker 3: This is how I'm into this because I live on TikTok, 210 00:09:17,967 --> 00:09:20,767 Speaker 3: live and breathe TikTok. Suddenly all these UK creators that 211 00:09:20,847 --> 00:09:23,607 Speaker 3: have been following for ages have started by saying its 212 00:09:23,687 --> 00:09:26,767 Speaker 3: tiktoks of them going get ready with me as I 213 00:09:26,847 --> 00:09:30,127 Speaker 3: go to war, and I'm like, what's going? So this 214 00:09:30,287 --> 00:09:31,687 Speaker 3: is it? Like this is what's happening. 215 00:09:31,887 --> 00:09:34,967 Speaker 5: Revoke my rights, revoke it and put me back in 216 00:09:35,007 --> 00:09:38,087 Speaker 5: a kitchen, cook in a Vicky sponge. I drafted for war? 217 00:09:39,127 --> 00:09:39,927 Speaker 2: Are you all right? 218 00:09:40,167 --> 00:09:43,287 Speaker 5: I don't do well under pressure, I cried during my 219 00:09:43,327 --> 00:09:47,007 Speaker 5: geography gcse I am not the one and also wrong 220 00:09:47,127 --> 00:09:50,287 Speaker 5: generation they've picked, not me going to war. That's all 221 00:09:50,367 --> 00:09:53,007 Speaker 5: You'll see how I do my base for a long 222 00:09:53,087 --> 00:09:56,007 Speaker 5: day at war. That's all you're going to get. TikTok 223 00:09:56,047 --> 00:09:58,807 Speaker 5: shop is going to be rolling. Get RICHI Sunac out there, 224 00:09:59,247 --> 00:10:01,447 Speaker 5: get him out there. If you want to push this 225 00:10:01,607 --> 00:10:02,647 Speaker 5: so odd you go. 226 00:10:03,327 --> 00:10:07,247 Speaker 3: That is what they say. It's true, it is so true, 227 00:10:07,487 --> 00:10:08,567 Speaker 3: and I'm. 228 00:10:08,407 --> 00:10:09,887 Speaker 6: Not what to do. 229 00:10:12,047 --> 00:10:14,847 Speaker 3: I am not even joking that. The polling shows that. 230 00:10:15,007 --> 00:10:17,807 Speaker 2: Literally no one in Britain under the age of sixty 231 00:10:17,847 --> 00:10:20,567 Speaker 2: five is voting for the Tories, like literally nobody They've 232 00:10:20,607 --> 00:10:24,967 Speaker 2: got minus to support nothing, so that aside, everything was 233 00:10:25,007 --> 00:10:28,487 Speaker 2: going along really really boringly. And then Piers fucking Morgan, 234 00:10:28,927 --> 00:10:33,127 Speaker 2: he's always causing trouble. Piers Morgan goes on TV and 235 00:10:33,287 --> 00:10:37,607 Speaker 2: he goads one of Britain's worst human beings, Nigel Farage. 236 00:10:37,607 --> 00:10:40,407 Speaker 2: I told you this was a very biased recap. Nigel Farage, 237 00:10:40,407 --> 00:10:42,887 Speaker 2: who's basically Britain's Trump. I'll explain that a bit more 238 00:10:42,927 --> 00:10:45,287 Speaker 2: in a minute. He says, where have you gone since 239 00:10:45,327 --> 00:10:46,247 Speaker 2: you caused bregsit? 240 00:10:46,327 --> 00:10:46,927 Speaker 3: You've disappeared? 241 00:10:46,967 --> 00:10:49,127 Speaker 2: And he's always in America, like having lunch with Donald 242 00:10:49,127 --> 00:10:50,967 Speaker 2: Trump and touring the world talking about the New Right 243 00:10:51,007 --> 00:10:53,727 Speaker 2: and ever thing. This British guy, he's like, why aren't 244 00:10:53,767 --> 00:10:56,407 Speaker 2: you in this election? Bottled it mate, You've got no balls, 245 00:10:56,407 --> 00:10:57,127 Speaker 2: all this kind of stuff. 246 00:10:57,167 --> 00:11:01,727 Speaker 1: So Peers Morgan trolled Nigel live. 247 00:11:01,567 --> 00:11:05,607 Speaker 2: On Question Time, and so Nigel Farage went away and 248 00:11:05,687 --> 00:11:07,087 Speaker 2: thought about it for a day and went, you know what, 249 00:11:07,887 --> 00:11:09,807 Speaker 2: this is how these serious middle aged men carry on. 250 00:11:10,087 --> 00:11:11,527 Speaker 2: He's like, you know what, I'm going to prove that 251 00:11:11,727 --> 00:11:13,447 Speaker 2: he is more than wrong. And he called a snap 252 00:11:13,607 --> 00:11:17,247 Speaker 2: press conference where the leader of the party that he 253 00:11:17,367 --> 00:11:20,687 Speaker 2: used to be part of, called Reform, resigned live on 254 00:11:20,807 --> 00:11:23,647 Speaker 2: the stage and said, we've asked Nigel to come back. 255 00:11:24,927 --> 00:11:28,607 Speaker 2: Oh my god, Nigel comes back now. Just to give 256 00:11:28,607 --> 00:11:30,807 Speaker 2: a bit of context, he really does think he's Donald Trump. 257 00:11:31,247 --> 00:11:34,407 Speaker 2: The Reform Party used to be called the Brexit Party, 258 00:11:34,807 --> 00:11:36,887 Speaker 2: used to be called the UKIT Party, and their slogan 259 00:11:37,007 --> 00:11:40,087 Speaker 2: is literally make Britain great again. They're kind of like 260 00:11:40,247 --> 00:11:44,167 Speaker 2: one almost certainly, they're kind of like one nation. So 261 00:11:44,407 --> 00:11:47,047 Speaker 2: if a place had a UKIP seat, it's kind of 262 00:11:47,207 --> 00:11:49,287 Speaker 2: like the assumptions you might make about a place that 263 00:11:49,327 --> 00:11:50,927 Speaker 2: had a one nation seat. Right, If you knew a 264 00:11:50,967 --> 00:11:53,247 Speaker 2: place had a one nation MP, you'd probably say, probably 265 00:11:53,247 --> 00:11:57,407 Speaker 2: anti immigration, probably this and that. That's who Farage is. Right, 266 00:11:58,367 --> 00:12:00,247 Speaker 2: So he stood up and he said I'm back and 267 00:12:00,327 --> 00:12:02,447 Speaker 2: I'm going to stand for reform and I'm going to 268 00:12:02,647 --> 00:12:04,167 Speaker 2: be voted in and it's all going to be great. 269 00:12:04,327 --> 00:12:08,207 Speaker 6: Yes, a revolt, a turning of our backs on the 270 00:12:08,287 --> 00:12:15,007 Speaker 6: political quote. It doesn't work. Nothing in this country works anymore. 271 00:12:15,407 --> 00:12:18,727 Speaker 6: The health service doesn't work, the roads don't work, none 272 00:12:18,767 --> 00:12:22,087 Speaker 6: of our public services are up to scratch. We are 273 00:12:22,207 --> 00:12:25,967 Speaker 6: in decline. This will only be turned around with boldness. 274 00:12:26,287 --> 00:12:28,527 Speaker 2: The thing that's interesting about all of this is that 275 00:12:28,687 --> 00:12:31,047 Speaker 2: not him, not the Tories, not the Labor Party. Anyone 276 00:12:31,167 --> 00:12:35,367 Speaker 2: has mentioned the B word Brexit through this entire campaign 277 00:12:35,887 --> 00:12:39,207 Speaker 2: because Brexit has been an act of self harm to 278 00:12:39,287 --> 00:12:43,327 Speaker 2: Britain Right, they are the only big Northern Hemisphere country 279 00:12:43,327 --> 00:12:46,487 Speaker 2: whose economy has gone backwards since the COVID recovery. The 280 00:12:46,607 --> 00:12:48,087 Speaker 2: left don't want to talk about it because it makes 281 00:12:48,087 --> 00:12:49,927 Speaker 2: them look like losers and also they can't fix it. 282 00:12:50,287 --> 00:12:51,967 Speaker 2: The right don't want to talk about it because they 283 00:12:52,087 --> 00:12:54,847 Speaker 2: championed it and it's been a disaster. And Farage, whose 284 00:12:54,887 --> 00:12:59,847 Speaker 2: party was literally called the Brexit Party, it's just pretending 285 00:12:59,887 --> 00:13:00,567 Speaker 2: it's not happened. 286 00:13:00,607 --> 00:13:03,167 Speaker 3: So everybody's just moving along. Nothing to could it. 287 00:13:03,207 --> 00:13:06,047 Speaker 1: Never be undone look go back in if you consider 288 00:13:06,167 --> 00:13:09,247 Speaker 1: how long it took for that shit to go through 289 00:13:09,327 --> 00:13:12,607 Speaker 1: through So nobody actually thinks that Nigel Farage is going 290 00:13:12,647 --> 00:13:14,487 Speaker 1: to be the Prime minister. Have been fined, I know, 291 00:13:14,607 --> 00:13:17,287 Speaker 1: And I saw something about on his first day of campaigning, 292 00:13:17,327 --> 00:13:18,727 Speaker 1: someone through a milkshake on him. 293 00:13:18,647 --> 00:13:19,607 Speaker 3: Which we do not support. 294 00:13:19,687 --> 00:13:19,847 Speaker 1: I know. 295 00:13:20,167 --> 00:13:22,407 Speaker 2: The thing that's interesting about Farage and why he is 296 00:13:22,447 --> 00:13:24,487 Speaker 2: a bit of a scary character right, is that he 297 00:13:24,607 --> 00:13:26,127 Speaker 2: isn't going to be Prime minister in no way. But 298 00:13:26,247 --> 00:13:28,567 Speaker 2: what everybody's saying is he wants to get himself voted 299 00:13:28,607 --> 00:13:30,967 Speaker 2: into Parliament so that he's in there, so that he 300 00:13:31,007 --> 00:13:34,887 Speaker 2: can have greater influence and eventually take over the Tory Party, 301 00:13:34,967 --> 00:13:37,127 Speaker 2: bring it to the right and make Britain great again. 302 00:13:37,687 --> 00:13:40,447 Speaker 2: And he's a very populist trumpesque figure, right, so he's 303 00:13:40,567 --> 00:13:43,567 Speaker 2: quite good at messaging. He's got until he had to 304 00:13:43,647 --> 00:13:45,167 Speaker 2: quit it this week because now he wants to be 305 00:13:45,287 --> 00:13:47,967 Speaker 2: Prime minister. He has a late night talk show like 306 00:13:48,047 --> 00:13:50,567 Speaker 2: Sky News after Dark or whatever, and he literally is 307 00:13:50,607 --> 00:13:52,807 Speaker 2: always at Donald Trump's house. He's the one who introduced 308 00:13:52,847 --> 00:13:55,727 Speaker 2: Holly Valance to Donald Trump, Australia's own. 309 00:13:55,647 --> 00:13:56,687 Speaker 1: Holly getting Better. 310 00:13:57,447 --> 00:14:01,847 Speaker 2: So any questions, So why don't we look mild Australia. 311 00:14:01,927 --> 00:14:04,967 Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, So I'm twenty eight living in London in 312 00:14:05,047 --> 00:14:07,527 Speaker 3: my Skywrites apartment sky Rides. 313 00:14:08,087 --> 00:14:08,607 Speaker 4: You're not I. 314 00:14:08,967 --> 00:14:10,967 Speaker 3: If I I vote for Sunak, I'm going to war. 315 00:14:11,887 --> 00:14:14,767 Speaker 3: If I vote for for Raj, I'm Browns. I'm going 316 00:14:14,807 --> 00:14:17,807 Speaker 3: to jail probably. And the other one is just I'll 317 00:14:17,847 --> 00:14:18,607 Speaker 3: just be brought to death. 318 00:14:18,887 --> 00:14:22,567 Speaker 2: Yes, that's exactly those oas. And most people are ticking 319 00:14:22,687 --> 00:14:23,687 Speaker 2: the boring box. 320 00:14:24,047 --> 00:14:25,087 Speaker 3: I take the boring box. 321 00:14:25,127 --> 00:14:27,247 Speaker 2: But we all know you can't count on anything these days, 322 00:14:27,367 --> 00:14:27,927 Speaker 2: so we'll see. 323 00:14:27,967 --> 00:14:28,207 Speaker 3: Okay. 324 00:14:28,247 --> 00:14:30,327 Speaker 2: If you would like any more updates, out louders, please 325 00:14:30,367 --> 00:14:31,767 Speaker 2: let us know. If you would like me to never 326 00:14:31,847 --> 00:14:33,647 Speaker 2: talk about this again, please let us know too. 327 00:14:34,007 --> 00:14:36,167 Speaker 1: To be clear, out louders, we are not laughing at war. 328 00:14:36,447 --> 00:14:38,127 Speaker 1: There are wars going on all over the world. They 329 00:14:38,167 --> 00:14:41,367 Speaker 1: are terrible and tragic and devastating. We are laughing at 330 00:14:41,407 --> 00:14:44,527 Speaker 1: the utter self harm that this policy is as a 331 00:14:44,607 --> 00:14:47,807 Speaker 1: policy military service and what conscription. 332 00:14:48,847 --> 00:14:51,607 Speaker 2: Isn't a person under eighty who thinks that's a good idea. 333 00:15:01,807 --> 00:15:05,447 Speaker 3: Everyone wants a sexy rodent boyfriends and we need to 334 00:15:05,487 --> 00:15:07,767 Speaker 3: find one soon, so we're prepared for rap boy summer. 335 00:15:09,247 --> 00:15:12,487 Speaker 3: Oh god, so the road and Boyfriend or the rat Man. 336 00:15:12,567 --> 00:15:14,767 Speaker 3: The sexy rat Man has kind of been around for 337 00:15:14,847 --> 00:15:17,567 Speaker 3: a while, but it's found its place in society recently 338 00:15:17,807 --> 00:15:20,007 Speaker 3: when the movie Challenges came on our screens. Have you 339 00:15:20,007 --> 00:15:20,807 Speaker 3: guys seen Challenges? 340 00:15:20,887 --> 00:15:22,447 Speaker 2: I have not seen Challenges, but I've seen a lot 341 00:15:22,447 --> 00:15:25,887 Speaker 2: of headlines and everybody says it's very sexy. It's also 342 00:15:26,087 --> 00:15:27,407 Speaker 2: been a really big success. 343 00:15:27,727 --> 00:15:28,527 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's huge. 344 00:15:28,727 --> 00:15:29,967 Speaker 2: Does that day I have a threesome? 345 00:15:30,047 --> 00:15:30,287 Speaker 4: Is that what? 346 00:15:30,367 --> 00:15:33,727 Speaker 3: It's about yeah, like threesome adjacent. I want to say, 347 00:15:33,767 --> 00:15:35,367 Speaker 3: they don't go deep. They don't go deep. But it 348 00:15:35,487 --> 00:15:39,007 Speaker 3: stars and Aya, Mike Faced and Josh O'Connor. You might 349 00:15:39,087 --> 00:15:44,447 Speaker 3: know Josh from The Crown, the Young Prince. Yeah right right. 350 00:15:45,007 --> 00:15:47,807 Speaker 3: I care about her. Why would I care about her? 351 00:15:48,367 --> 00:15:52,047 Speaker 6: I care about her morning, noon, and nights. 352 00:15:52,127 --> 00:15:53,007 Speaker 5: I care about her. 353 00:15:54,367 --> 00:15:57,487 Speaker 3: Got it? Thank you. So it's about tennis, it's about 354 00:15:57,567 --> 00:16:00,087 Speaker 3: this kind of love triangle between them. So they've been 355 00:16:00,127 --> 00:16:01,527 Speaker 3: doing a lot of press because the movie has been 356 00:16:01,647 --> 00:16:04,967 Speaker 3: very successful. And there was this one time where they 357 00:16:05,007 --> 00:16:07,807 Speaker 3: were on a red carpet somewhere. Josh O'Connor was photographed 358 00:16:08,087 --> 00:16:10,847 Speaker 3: wearing this kind of over sized shirt like having a 359 00:16:10,887 --> 00:16:15,007 Speaker 3: really cheeky smile on his face. Someone tweeted, he looks 360 00:16:15,047 --> 00:16:17,487 Speaker 3: like a very kind hearted mouse who got turned into 361 00:16:17,527 --> 00:16:22,407 Speaker 3: a prince, and that tweet went completely viral. And then 362 00:16:22,447 --> 00:16:24,967 Speaker 3: the two leads of the film, so Josh and Mike 363 00:16:25,047 --> 00:16:28,287 Speaker 3: have been compared to Rodents and saying that everyone wants 364 00:16:28,447 --> 00:16:32,007 Speaker 3: a Rodent man. So Mike is like Stuart Little and 365 00:16:32,127 --> 00:16:35,607 Speaker 3: Josh is like the mouse from Flushtory GTA. 366 00:16:36,167 --> 00:16:39,767 Speaker 6: You can't just leave me here on a duck, I 367 00:16:40,007 --> 00:16:41,607 Speaker 6: was not sneaking around. 368 00:16:42,287 --> 00:16:44,647 Speaker 1: What about Remy the mouse in Rattitue, Oh no, he's. 369 00:16:44,527 --> 00:16:48,087 Speaker 3: A rat rodent yeah, yeah, so he could also be Remy. Yep, 370 00:16:48,247 --> 00:16:51,727 Speaker 3: the original rodent boyfriend was Matt. 371 00:16:51,527 --> 00:16:55,367 Speaker 2: Healy because he looks because he is a dirty rat. 372 00:16:55,367 --> 00:16:58,447 Speaker 3: Kind of both. So okay, firstly, being a rat boyfriend 373 00:16:58,567 --> 00:17:01,327 Speaker 3: is like aspirations. It's a good thing. So I want 374 00:17:01,407 --> 00:17:03,007 Speaker 3: a rat boy yeah yeah, So let me go through 375 00:17:03,047 --> 00:17:05,487 Speaker 3: some features of the rat boys. So rat boyfriend has 376 00:17:05,567 --> 00:17:08,967 Speaker 3: angular features like small mouth, pointing nose. They're not what 377 00:17:09,087 --> 00:17:12,767 Speaker 3: you can you describe as conventionally attracts. So Timothy, yes, 378 00:17:12,927 --> 00:17:13,607 Speaker 3: you're getting. 379 00:17:13,407 --> 00:17:17,167 Speaker 1: It now, like a old kind of a boot, but 380 00:17:17,367 --> 00:17:19,527 Speaker 1: like a pointy goblin's boots. 381 00:17:19,607 --> 00:17:23,687 Speaker 2: Doesn't like sexy, like very sexy, cool like pointy, a 382 00:17:23,807 --> 00:17:26,527 Speaker 2: pointy that was in a small mouth. Well like little 383 00:17:26,647 --> 00:17:29,407 Speaker 2: features like you should get my boyfriend, Timothy Chala May's 384 00:17:29,447 --> 00:17:30,247 Speaker 2: name out of your mouth. 385 00:17:30,327 --> 00:17:35,567 Speaker 3: Near freedom. Still very hot. They're not conventionally attractive, but 386 00:17:35,567 --> 00:17:37,967 Speaker 3: they're still very hot. They're also like some personality trades, 387 00:17:38,047 --> 00:17:41,647 Speaker 3: so they're the opposite of toxic maxculinity, and they love 388 00:17:41,727 --> 00:17:45,167 Speaker 3: to show public affection towards their partners like really love them. 389 00:17:45,247 --> 00:17:46,847 Speaker 3: We all see they love them. It's a bit weird, 390 00:17:46,887 --> 00:17:48,007 Speaker 3: but we find it really good. 391 00:17:48,047 --> 00:17:50,767 Speaker 1: So they're not alpha males no no, no, like their 392 00:17:50,807 --> 00:17:54,047 Speaker 1: wife guys nous. 393 00:17:54,607 --> 00:17:57,407 Speaker 3: So personally I would say that you want to be 394 00:17:57,567 --> 00:18:00,287 Speaker 3: in their situationship with the road and boyfriend, but he's 395 00:18:00,327 --> 00:18:01,527 Speaker 3: not endgame. 396 00:18:01,607 --> 00:18:06,367 Speaker 1: Ohe hence Mattie Healy show you a really good time 397 00:18:06,927 --> 00:18:08,967 Speaker 1: while he's there, you don't want him to put a 398 00:18:09,007 --> 00:18:09,167 Speaker 1: ring on? 399 00:18:09,567 --> 00:18:12,687 Speaker 2: Does this explain why a lot of the new heart 400 00:18:12,807 --> 00:18:15,407 Speaker 2: throbs in inverted comments, like if you think about a 401 00:18:15,487 --> 00:18:21,167 Speaker 2: Hollywood heart throb traditionally, let's think like Channing Tatum, Henry Cavill, 402 00:18:21,767 --> 00:18:25,007 Speaker 2: Tom Hardy, like these like chiseled big dudes. 403 00:18:25,247 --> 00:18:26,847 Speaker 1: These guys are like the opposite Brad. 404 00:18:27,207 --> 00:18:29,007 Speaker 3: Yeah, so you remember we had that whole thing about 405 00:18:29,087 --> 00:18:32,007 Speaker 3: everyone wants a golden retrieve a boyfriend, and we're like, no, 406 00:18:32,167 --> 00:18:34,807 Speaker 3: we're over it now. Now we want a rodent boyfriend. 407 00:18:35,927 --> 00:18:38,047 Speaker 3: It's a glamor object to fighting man this way. Who 408 00:18:38,087 --> 00:18:41,687 Speaker 3: else Jeremy Allen Why, Oh it's Barren Culkin's a good one. Actually. 409 00:18:41,767 --> 00:18:44,207 Speaker 2: Jeremy Allen White, who's the guy from the Bear. He 410 00:18:44,527 --> 00:18:47,127 Speaker 2: does look like a rodent, And it's not. 411 00:18:47,167 --> 00:18:49,767 Speaker 3: Just about the features, it's also about like the personality 412 00:18:49,807 --> 00:18:52,247 Speaker 3: what they're putting out in the world. Timbody Shamalay because 413 00:18:52,287 --> 00:18:55,927 Speaker 3: he's like always really cuddly with Kylie Jenner publicly. 414 00:18:55,607 --> 00:18:59,727 Speaker 1: He's like about them. Yeah, I would say threatening. 415 00:18:59,647 --> 00:19:01,087 Speaker 3: Like they have like a bit of a feminine energy 416 00:19:01,167 --> 00:19:01,447 Speaker 3: going on. 417 00:19:01,647 --> 00:19:04,287 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just like big eyes, little pink nose. This 418 00:19:04,367 --> 00:19:10,527 Speaker 2: is baby reindeer. What about that weird looking dude in 419 00:19:10,687 --> 00:19:15,127 Speaker 2: and no offense, Sorry everybody, I'm just being really offensive. 420 00:19:15,687 --> 00:19:18,207 Speaker 3: What about that very talented. 421 00:19:17,807 --> 00:19:21,607 Speaker 2: Actor who dances naked in Saltburn, Barry Kyogan? 422 00:19:21,847 --> 00:19:26,687 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I think he might be rat boy with 423 00:19:26,807 --> 00:19:28,247 Speaker 3: a golden retriever rising. 424 00:19:28,527 --> 00:19:31,007 Speaker 2: Oh okay, yes, I. 425 00:19:31,047 --> 00:19:33,367 Speaker 1: Thought he was quite rat boy. You know, it's funny 426 00:19:33,367 --> 00:19:36,367 Speaker 1: because in the previous segment I felt my IQ rising, 427 00:19:37,447 --> 00:19:40,247 Speaker 1: and I think any games that were made there, but 428 00:19:40,407 --> 00:19:42,447 Speaker 1: not that that's a bad thing. I like to keep 429 00:19:42,527 --> 00:19:44,007 Speaker 1: my IQ at a manageable level. 430 00:19:44,687 --> 00:19:47,367 Speaker 3: That's Mama miall. I'm glad of managing it. Thank you 431 00:19:47,487 --> 00:19:47,887 Speaker 3: so much. 432 00:19:49,927 --> 00:19:52,727 Speaker 1: Every Tuesday and Thursday, we dropped new segments of Mama 433 00:19:52,727 --> 00:19:55,367 Speaker 1: and Me Are Out Loud just for MMA MEA subscribers 434 00:19:55,767 --> 00:19:57,407 Speaker 1: follow the link in the show notes to get your 435 00:19:57,527 --> 00:19:59,767 Speaker 1: daily dose of out Loud and a big thank you 436 00:20:00,087 --> 00:20:11,247 Speaker 1: to everyone who is already subscribed. Melinda French Gates has 437 00:20:11,407 --> 00:20:14,607 Speaker 1: pledged one billion dollars to support women's rights in the 438 00:20:14,727 --> 00:20:17,567 Speaker 1: United States as she prepares to leave the foundation the 439 00:20:17,647 --> 00:20:20,847 Speaker 1: Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation that's going to need a 440 00:20:20,927 --> 00:20:23,047 Speaker 1: new name. That's the foundation she co founded more than 441 00:20:23,087 --> 00:20:25,087 Speaker 1: two decades ago with her husband Bill Gates, who was 442 00:20:25,127 --> 00:20:26,327 Speaker 1: the founder of Microsoft. 443 00:20:26,487 --> 00:20:27,407 Speaker 3: As you may remember. 444 00:20:28,407 --> 00:20:31,967 Speaker 1: Within that one billion dollars that she's pledged one billion 445 00:20:32,007 --> 00:20:34,887 Speaker 1: American dollars, there is two hundred million that are going 446 00:20:34,927 --> 00:20:38,407 Speaker 1: to go to organizations fighting for gender and reproductive rights 447 00:20:38,527 --> 00:20:41,127 Speaker 1: in the US. She published an op ed for The 448 00:20:41,167 --> 00:20:43,807 Speaker 1: New York Times this week, and she revealed she'll be 449 00:20:43,847 --> 00:20:46,607 Speaker 1: spending the money on people and organizations working on behalf 450 00:20:46,687 --> 00:20:49,967 Speaker 1: of women and families around the world. She basically says 451 00:20:50,007 --> 00:20:54,087 Speaker 1: that giving money to women and helping women have freedom 452 00:20:54,407 --> 00:20:58,807 Speaker 1: and control over their bodies and financial freedom, that can 453 00:20:59,167 --> 00:21:02,047 Speaker 1: really make a massive difference in entire communities and can 454 00:21:02,167 --> 00:21:08,367 Speaker 1: change generations. Now there's another billionaire called Mackenzie Bezos, who 455 00:21:08,807 --> 00:21:10,527 Speaker 1: used to be married to Jeff Bezos. They sort of 456 00:21:10,767 --> 00:21:13,647 Speaker 1: co founded Amazon together. They got divorced quite a few 457 00:21:13,727 --> 00:21:16,967 Speaker 1: years ago, and she's another one that gives away billions 458 00:21:17,007 --> 00:21:19,847 Speaker 1: of dollars. She's one of, along with Milinda Frenchgates, one 459 00:21:19,847 --> 00:21:21,607 Speaker 1: of the richest women in the world, one of the 460 00:21:21,687 --> 00:21:25,007 Speaker 1: richest people in the world. What's interesting about the way 461 00:21:25,087 --> 00:21:28,727 Speaker 1: that the two of them give money is that, according 462 00:21:28,767 --> 00:21:32,087 Speaker 1: to all the organizations that they donate to, they just 463 00:21:32,167 --> 00:21:35,407 Speaker 1: give it very quietly. They don't want buildings named after them, 464 00:21:35,487 --> 00:21:36,407 Speaker 1: they don't want. 465 00:21:36,367 --> 00:21:37,367 Speaker 3: Big press releases. 466 00:21:37,887 --> 00:21:40,767 Speaker 1: Often these organizations will say, you know, they're just going 467 00:21:40,807 --> 00:21:43,767 Speaker 1: about their business on a normal Thursday, trying to make 468 00:21:43,807 --> 00:21:46,807 Speaker 1: the world better for a group of people, and they'll 469 00:21:46,927 --> 00:21:51,047 Speaker 1: just get contact from the office of Melinda or Mackenzie Bezos. 470 00:21:51,407 --> 00:21:53,487 Speaker 1: It will be their foundations saying, can you give us 471 00:21:53,487 --> 00:21:56,127 Speaker 1: your bank details? We're going to put millions of dollars 472 00:21:56,567 --> 00:21:59,087 Speaker 1: into your account. And they don't say how they want 473 00:21:59,127 --> 00:22:01,087 Speaker 1: it spent. They basically just you know what you're doing. 474 00:22:01,607 --> 00:22:03,167 Speaker 1: We think what you're doing is good. We've done our 475 00:22:03,247 --> 00:22:05,847 Speaker 1: due diligence. Keep doing what you're doing now. 476 00:22:05,927 --> 00:22:06,767 Speaker 3: The concept of. 477 00:22:06,927 --> 00:22:10,007 Speaker 1: Female billionaires versus male billionaires and what they do with 478 00:22:10,087 --> 00:22:12,767 Speaker 1: their money has highlighted something kind of interesting, which was 479 00:22:12,807 --> 00:22:16,167 Speaker 1: discussed on the Pivot podcast this week. Journalist cars Wishaw, 480 00:22:16,167 --> 00:22:19,807 Speaker 1: who's interviewed many billionaires in the tech world, including Elon Musk, 481 00:22:20,207 --> 00:22:24,047 Speaker 1: Mark Zuckerberg, Jeff Bezos, and Bill Gates. She had this 482 00:22:24,207 --> 00:22:27,327 Speaker 1: to say about it to her co host Scott Galloway. 483 00:22:27,607 --> 00:22:31,407 Speaker 7: These sort of childish men are doing their stupid Trump 484 00:22:31,727 --> 00:22:34,207 Speaker 7: fundraiser with very little money that they're putting out to 485 00:22:34,247 --> 00:22:36,887 Speaker 7: get a lot of influence and doing no good for 486 00:22:37,047 --> 00:22:41,407 Speaker 7: humanity except for themselves, except for self aggrandizing themselves. Both 487 00:22:41,487 --> 00:22:44,527 Speaker 7: Jamath and David Sachs and also Elon Musk is doing 488 00:22:44,607 --> 00:22:47,487 Speaker 7: this but doing nothing to help all of society. They're 489 00:22:47,567 --> 00:22:50,687 Speaker 7: just giving a pitdling amount of money to horrorsh politicians 490 00:22:50,767 --> 00:22:55,607 Speaker 7: in order to have influence. Meanwhile, Melinda Gates and Mackenzie 491 00:22:55,647 --> 00:22:59,887 Speaker 7: Bezos are using money, real money, real money, not little 492 00:22:59,967 --> 00:23:04,407 Speaker 7: tiny multimillion dollar five thousand dollars donations to have dinner 493 00:23:04,647 --> 00:23:07,567 Speaker 7: with someone who has been found liable for rape. No, 494 00:23:07,727 --> 00:23:10,687 Speaker 7: they're not using their money for that. Away billions and 495 00:23:10,807 --> 00:23:13,927 Speaker 7: billions of dollars to a lotable people across the globe 496 00:23:14,167 --> 00:23:17,207 Speaker 7: to make the world a better place. What a fucking comparison. 497 00:23:17,887 --> 00:23:21,167 Speaker 7: These men are sad and dicklers, and these women have 498 00:23:21,367 --> 00:23:24,007 Speaker 7: balls as big as all ever. That's all of that. 499 00:23:24,687 --> 00:23:25,927 Speaker 8: Jesus Christ, tell us. 500 00:23:25,887 --> 00:23:28,167 Speaker 2: What you really think, Kara, I love that. I think 501 00:23:28,207 --> 00:23:30,807 Speaker 2: that's one of the things she's referencing there is that 502 00:23:30,967 --> 00:23:33,847 Speaker 2: a lot of tech billionaires in San Francisco are having 503 00:23:33,887 --> 00:23:37,927 Speaker 2: a Trump fundraiser. And this is kind of really outraged 504 00:23:37,967 --> 00:23:39,967 Speaker 2: a lot of people for obvious reasons. But you know, 505 00:23:40,087 --> 00:23:42,687 Speaker 2: it used to be that tech billionaires would be like, 506 00:23:43,207 --> 00:23:44,807 Speaker 2: don't be evil, We're going to make the world a 507 00:23:44,847 --> 00:23:46,887 Speaker 2: better place than all those things. But they know very 508 00:23:46,927 --> 00:23:48,887 Speaker 2: clearly that a Trump presidency would be good for them. 509 00:23:48,927 --> 00:23:50,647 Speaker 2: He's not going to regulate them, he's not going to 510 00:23:50,807 --> 00:23:53,487 Speaker 2: tax them. He's just going to enable them to keep 511 00:23:53,567 --> 00:23:57,487 Speaker 2: stockpiling their dollars. And that's why Kara Swisher in particular 512 00:23:57,527 --> 00:24:01,047 Speaker 2: in that instance, was drawing that very stark comparison to 513 00:24:01,167 --> 00:24:01,967 Speaker 2: what the women are. 514 00:24:01,887 --> 00:24:05,967 Speaker 3: Doing with these political fundraisers. Is it just to kind 515 00:24:06,007 --> 00:24:08,327 Speaker 3: of show face, like I'm supporting this person, like there's 516 00:24:08,327 --> 00:24:09,807 Speaker 3: the money. Actually isn't need it. 517 00:24:10,327 --> 00:24:16,967 Speaker 2: It is needed becausely campaigning in America is unbelievably expensive, long, complicated, 518 00:24:17,047 --> 00:24:19,847 Speaker 2: you need very deep pockets, but also what it buys 519 00:24:19,887 --> 00:24:22,287 Speaker 2: you as influence. Right, But the point that Swisher was making, 520 00:24:22,407 --> 00:24:24,807 Speaker 2: because you've got caps on how much you're allowed to 521 00:24:24,887 --> 00:24:27,807 Speaker 2: legally donate to political parties, that they're not even throwing 522 00:24:27,847 --> 00:24:29,687 Speaker 2: around that much money for that influence. 523 00:24:30,327 --> 00:24:32,847 Speaker 1: But it's all dick swinging, it's all sucking up. And 524 00:24:32,967 --> 00:24:35,407 Speaker 1: not to say that there aren't a lot of men 525 00:24:35,487 --> 00:24:37,767 Speaker 1: who are doing great things, like the Bill and Melinda 526 00:24:37,807 --> 00:24:41,607 Speaker 1: Gates Foundation have done incredible things, you know, like working 527 00:24:41,967 --> 00:24:45,287 Speaker 1: towards stamping out malaria in parts of Africa and their 528 00:24:45,327 --> 00:24:49,247 Speaker 1: immunization programs. I mean, there's that organization has done so much, 529 00:24:49,327 --> 00:24:52,687 Speaker 1: so hashtag not all billionaires. I think that what was 530 00:24:52,927 --> 00:24:56,167 Speaker 1: interesting was if you look at Mackenzie Bezos and Jeff Bezos, 531 00:24:56,607 --> 00:25:01,127 Speaker 1: the differences in their lives after they split. Jeff Bezos 532 00:25:01,447 --> 00:25:06,047 Speaker 1: after their divorce, he recoupled with Lauren Sanchez. He's bought 533 00:25:06,167 --> 00:25:09,847 Speaker 1: a super yacht for five hundred million dollars. He's bought 534 00:25:09,967 --> 00:25:12,607 Speaker 1: like half a dozen houses, each worth around one hundred 535 00:25:12,647 --> 00:25:13,247 Speaker 1: million dollars. 536 00:25:13,807 --> 00:25:15,487 Speaker 3: He's also become very muscle bound. 537 00:25:15,927 --> 00:25:18,887 Speaker 1: He also did I should note in the interest of furness. 538 00:25:18,927 --> 00:25:21,047 Speaker 1: In twenty twenty, he started the Bezos Earth Fund with 539 00:25:21,087 --> 00:25:23,687 Speaker 1: a personal commitment of ten billion dollars, which is not 540 00:25:23,727 --> 00:25:26,367 Speaker 1: a lot for him to be dispersed as grants to 541 00:25:26,407 --> 00:25:29,807 Speaker 1: address climate and nature within the decades. So it's not 542 00:25:29,967 --> 00:25:31,967 Speaker 1: like they don't give money. And we also don't know 543 00:25:32,047 --> 00:25:35,247 Speaker 1: what goes on behind the scenes. But what's interesting is 544 00:25:35,407 --> 00:25:40,487 Speaker 1: the way these women just very quietly go about making 545 00:25:40,527 --> 00:25:43,367 Speaker 1: a difference without asking for anything in return to feed 546 00:25:43,447 --> 00:25:43,847 Speaker 1: their ego. 547 00:25:44,327 --> 00:25:46,607 Speaker 2: That is what's interesting about this, right, because there's a 548 00:25:46,647 --> 00:25:49,007 Speaker 2: lot of kind of like, oh, billionaires, right. The thing 549 00:25:49,167 --> 00:25:51,287 Speaker 2: is is that we didn't used to have as many. 550 00:25:51,367 --> 00:25:53,487 Speaker 2: When I say we, I don't mean us, we don't 551 00:25:53,487 --> 00:25:56,687 Speaker 2: have any I mean the world didn't used to have 552 00:25:56,767 --> 00:25:59,007 Speaker 2: as many as we do have now. And these people 553 00:25:59,007 --> 00:26:00,407 Speaker 2: are the most powerful people in the world. 554 00:26:00,487 --> 00:26:00,607 Speaker 4: Right. 555 00:26:00,687 --> 00:26:03,287 Speaker 2: They can buy and sell politicians, they can have real 556 00:26:03,367 --> 00:26:05,687 Speaker 2: impact on things like climate change, they can have real 557 00:26:05,727 --> 00:26:08,687 Speaker 2: impact on medical research, all these things. What they choose 558 00:26:08,807 --> 00:26:15,167 Speaker 2: to do with this existential wealth is important. And what's 559 00:26:15,247 --> 00:26:17,967 Speaker 2: interesting about these women it's not like they're renting, you 560 00:26:18,047 --> 00:26:20,527 Speaker 2: know what I mean. I'm sure they're living very nice lives, 561 00:26:21,087 --> 00:26:28,287 Speaker 2: but they are modeling a kind of philanthropic generosity that 562 00:26:28,487 --> 00:26:33,247 Speaker 2: can actually make real difference without control. So as you say, mere, often, 563 00:26:33,327 --> 00:26:34,927 Speaker 2: if you've got a foundation with your name on it, 564 00:26:34,967 --> 00:26:36,887 Speaker 2: there are lots of riensway might do that, and many 565 00:26:36,967 --> 00:26:39,407 Speaker 2: of them do really amazing work, but there's a lot 566 00:26:39,447 --> 00:26:42,207 Speaker 2: of cost associated with that. Whereas if you are literally 567 00:26:42,807 --> 00:26:45,047 Speaker 2: looking at the people who are working in an area 568 00:26:45,327 --> 00:26:48,607 Speaker 2: best in their field and going these people know exactly 569 00:26:48,687 --> 00:26:50,807 Speaker 2: what they're doing, They're already in there on the ground 570 00:26:50,847 --> 00:26:53,407 Speaker 2: whatever it may be, whether it is curing malaria, whether 571 00:26:53,487 --> 00:26:58,007 Speaker 2: it is dealing with public education shortages or whatever, go 572 00:26:58,127 --> 00:27:00,967 Speaker 2: and give them money to those people rather than thinking, well, 573 00:27:01,007 --> 00:27:04,607 Speaker 2: now that i'm rich, I can fix everything. And one 574 00:27:04,687 --> 00:27:08,487 Speaker 2: things that's interesting Melinda she is choosing to give her 575 00:27:08,527 --> 00:27:10,447 Speaker 2: money to call is that help women? 576 00:27:10,527 --> 00:27:11,087 Speaker 3: As you say me. 577 00:27:11,247 --> 00:27:13,047 Speaker 2: And one of those people she's giving money too is 578 00:27:13,127 --> 00:27:16,007 Speaker 2: just Sinda Ard, the former Prime Minister of New Zealand, 579 00:27:16,087 --> 00:27:18,647 Speaker 2: is getting twenty million dollars from Melinda to do. 580 00:27:18,887 --> 00:27:19,287 Speaker 3: I don't know what. 581 00:27:19,967 --> 00:27:21,207 Speaker 2: Something good, but not. 582 00:27:21,487 --> 00:27:24,207 Speaker 1: Like what renovator house, not renovator house. 583 00:27:24,087 --> 00:27:24,567 Speaker 3: Something good. 584 00:27:24,607 --> 00:27:27,047 Speaker 2: I'm sure I don't know exactly what I'm interested to know. 585 00:27:27,607 --> 00:27:32,007 Speaker 1: M This idea that women should give away all their money, 586 00:27:32,887 --> 00:27:36,207 Speaker 1: whereas that expectation is not placed on men. Do you 587 00:27:36,287 --> 00:27:38,207 Speaker 1: think that's unfair? I mean, do these women do it 588 00:27:38,327 --> 00:27:39,727 Speaker 1: almost preemptively? 589 00:27:40,367 --> 00:27:40,567 Speaker 4: Yeah. 590 00:27:40,727 --> 00:27:44,127 Speaker 3: I think firstly, women in general want to be liked 591 00:27:44,327 --> 00:27:46,567 Speaker 3: and that's why they do it. But it's hard for 592 00:27:46,687 --> 00:27:49,527 Speaker 3: me to separate the man and woman from the billionaire 593 00:27:49,567 --> 00:27:53,247 Speaker 3: status because these people are still billionaires, and I struggle 594 00:27:53,367 --> 00:27:56,447 Speaker 3: comprehending that there are billionaires in our world, like no 595 00:27:56,567 --> 00:27:56,807 Speaker 3: one in. 596 00:27:56,807 --> 00:27:59,047 Speaker 1: Her own heart's a billionaire. We've got billionaire but might 597 00:27:59,127 --> 00:28:03,407 Speaker 1: be the exception Anthony Pratt. We've got a number of billionaires. 598 00:28:03,167 --> 00:28:05,687 Speaker 3: Heaps are billionaires, but no one needs to be a billionaire. 599 00:28:05,847 --> 00:28:07,687 Speaker 2: One of the things I think is interesting though, But 600 00:28:07,807 --> 00:28:09,207 Speaker 2: to your point me or about whether or not we're 601 00:28:09,287 --> 00:28:12,007 Speaker 2: expect women to be more generous and philanthropic than men, 602 00:28:12,087 --> 00:28:14,847 Speaker 2: We definitely do. We see this when it comes to 603 00:28:14,887 --> 00:28:18,447 Speaker 2: female celebrities, so Taylor Swift Beyonce, for example, two of 604 00:28:18,527 --> 00:28:21,927 Speaker 2: the most high profile and wealthiest women in entertainment, well 605 00:28:22,007 --> 00:28:22,567 Speaker 2: maybe the world. 606 00:28:22,647 --> 00:28:22,967 Speaker 3: I don't know. 607 00:28:23,647 --> 00:28:25,327 Speaker 2: Everybody always wants to know what they do and what 608 00:28:25,367 --> 00:28:27,447 Speaker 2: they give away, and they actually do do a lot 609 00:28:27,487 --> 00:28:30,007 Speaker 2: and give away a lot. Beyonce has a foundation called 610 00:28:30,047 --> 00:28:33,687 Speaker 2: the Bee Good Foundation, which is all about vulnerable communities 611 00:28:33,727 --> 00:28:36,407 Speaker 2: in America and supporting black owned businesses and supporting public 612 00:28:36,527 --> 00:28:39,487 Speaker 2: education and all these things. Taylor Swift uses her money 613 00:28:39,527 --> 00:28:43,207 Speaker 2: at her discretion to drop in certain causes. I don't 614 00:28:43,327 --> 00:28:46,207 Speaker 2: see the Ed Sharin's and Harry styles is of the 615 00:28:46,287 --> 00:28:49,447 Speaker 2: world being examined so closely about what they do with 616 00:28:49,527 --> 00:28:51,407 Speaker 2: their money. And I'm sure they do lots of good 617 00:28:51,447 --> 00:28:53,047 Speaker 2: things with their money. I'm not saying that they aren't. 618 00:28:53,047 --> 00:28:56,047 Speaker 2: But it's like we just expect that women are kinder 619 00:28:56,887 --> 00:28:59,527 Speaker 2: and more caring and more giving, and sometimes I wonder 620 00:28:59,567 --> 00:29:00,087 Speaker 2: why that is. 621 00:29:00,767 --> 00:29:03,087 Speaker 3: Well indicates in that conference and she said, when we 622 00:29:03,207 --> 00:29:06,447 Speaker 3: allow this course to go so chronically underfunding, we all 623 00:29:06,567 --> 00:29:09,127 Speaker 3: pay the cost. I don't think she's paying the cost, 624 00:29:09,327 --> 00:29:10,247 Speaker 3: and I also find it a. 625 00:29:10,247 --> 00:29:12,087 Speaker 1: Bit but hang on, what do you mean, like, you 626 00:29:12,207 --> 00:29:16,407 Speaker 1: don't donate money necessarily just for yourself, although that you know, 627 00:29:16,647 --> 00:29:18,887 Speaker 1: some of the money that Elon Musk donates, he's very 628 00:29:18,927 --> 00:29:22,047 Speaker 1: self serving, like when he donates a billion dollars worth 629 00:29:22,087 --> 00:29:25,647 Speaker 1: of Tesla shares to charities. I don't understand your point. 630 00:29:25,727 --> 00:29:28,247 Speaker 1: Do you mean that they just should give away all 631 00:29:28,287 --> 00:29:28,687 Speaker 1: their money. 632 00:29:28,847 --> 00:29:31,167 Speaker 3: Yes, I think they should give away all that. One 633 00:29:31,207 --> 00:29:34,087 Speaker 3: billion dollars is so much money. And when she announced 634 00:29:34,087 --> 00:29:35,927 Speaker 3: that she was donating one billion dollars, I was like, 635 00:29:36,047 --> 00:29:38,007 Speaker 3: that is really cool, Like that's a lot of money. 636 00:29:38,247 --> 00:29:41,047 Speaker 3: But her network is eleven billion dollars. Yeah, but I 637 00:29:41,087 --> 00:29:43,007 Speaker 3: don't think she's done. She's not finished, you know what 638 00:29:43,087 --> 00:29:45,127 Speaker 3: I mean. Like, well, it's one billion over the next 639 00:29:45,167 --> 00:29:47,647 Speaker 3: two years, is what she's saying, which is now particular. 640 00:29:48,047 --> 00:29:50,967 Speaker 1: After that two years, she's got a long life to 641 00:29:51,007 --> 00:29:54,167 Speaker 1: live hopefully, so she'll have more to donate. 642 00:29:54,607 --> 00:29:57,247 Speaker 3: What's your point. I think it's just so small, it's 643 00:29:57,327 --> 00:29:59,807 Speaker 3: so small compared to the amount of well she has. 644 00:30:00,247 --> 00:30:03,127 Speaker 3: She's going to die a billionaire, Well, she may or 645 00:30:03,167 --> 00:30:04,127 Speaker 3: may not die a billionaire. 646 00:30:04,207 --> 00:30:06,487 Speaker 2: The way this conversation went on that Pivot podcast that 647 00:30:06,527 --> 00:30:08,767 Speaker 2: we were talking about was about so some of these 648 00:30:08,927 --> 00:30:11,967 Speaker 2: billion as male I'm female, do plan to give away 649 00:30:11,967 --> 00:30:13,847 Speaker 2: all their money. But after they die it is this 650 00:30:13,927 --> 00:30:15,367 Speaker 2: thing called the giving pledge. A lot of them have 651 00:30:15,447 --> 00:30:17,607 Speaker 2: signed up too. That's like, when I'm gone, all my 652 00:30:17,727 --> 00:30:19,647 Speaker 2: money will go to these apart from the little portion 653 00:30:19,727 --> 00:30:20,927 Speaker 2: I'm going to keep for the kids or whatever. 654 00:30:21,327 --> 00:30:23,127 Speaker 3: All my money is going to go to these causes, 655 00:30:23,447 --> 00:30:24,087 Speaker 3: and that's great. 656 00:30:24,127 --> 00:30:25,687 Speaker 2: But what a lot of people are saying is give 657 00:30:25,727 --> 00:30:27,807 Speaker 2: it away now, Give it away while you're alive, Give 658 00:30:27,807 --> 00:30:29,487 Speaker 2: it away to people who need it now to fix 659 00:30:29,567 --> 00:30:31,927 Speaker 2: the problems we're facing now. And you're right, of course, 660 00:30:32,127 --> 00:30:33,927 Speaker 2: as I say, it's not like they're renting and they're 661 00:30:33,967 --> 00:30:37,287 Speaker 2: going to be massively disadvantaged by that. But isn't it 662 00:30:37,367 --> 00:30:39,767 Speaker 2: a far far better thing to be doing that and 663 00:30:39,847 --> 00:30:41,967 Speaker 2: giving your money away, whether you're doing it in stages 664 00:30:42,007 --> 00:30:43,047 Speaker 2: or all at once or whatever. 665 00:30:43,447 --> 00:30:44,327 Speaker 3: Then what a lot of. 666 00:30:44,367 --> 00:30:46,567 Speaker 2: These dudes seem to be doing, which is just finding 667 00:30:46,647 --> 00:30:48,247 Speaker 2: ways to get more and more and more and more 668 00:30:48,287 --> 00:30:50,167 Speaker 2: and more of it until they build themselves like a 669 00:30:50,207 --> 00:30:50,847 Speaker 2: golden stack. 670 00:30:50,967 --> 00:30:52,447 Speaker 3: Yes to the mood, that's capitalism. 671 00:30:52,487 --> 00:30:54,727 Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting what Scott Galloway said on 672 00:30:54,807 --> 00:30:58,847 Speaker 1: this podcast in this conversation, and he's an entrepreneur and 673 00:30:59,247 --> 00:31:02,847 Speaker 1: very wealthy himself, and he said he picked a number 674 00:31:03,087 --> 00:31:05,447 Speaker 1: that he needed to live his life, a number of 675 00:31:05,567 --> 00:31:07,767 Speaker 1: amount of money that he wanted, and he was talking 676 00:31:07,807 --> 00:31:12,527 Speaker 1: about leaving his children and just enough that they'll be comfortable, 677 00:31:12,607 --> 00:31:14,687 Speaker 1: but not so much that they don't need to work 678 00:31:15,807 --> 00:31:18,687 Speaker 1: so it's like, yeah, if you leave your child too much, 679 00:31:18,927 --> 00:31:22,047 Speaker 1: it can become I mean this is very privileged context, 680 00:31:22,127 --> 00:31:25,127 Speaker 1: but you can actually fuck someone's life by giving them 681 00:31:25,167 --> 00:31:27,407 Speaker 1: too much money and then they just do bad things 682 00:31:27,447 --> 00:31:30,047 Speaker 1: with it and you rob them of any motivation or 683 00:31:30,127 --> 00:31:33,487 Speaker 1: ambition that he was saying, I picked a number, and 684 00:31:33,687 --> 00:31:35,687 Speaker 1: seven years ago I hit that number of how much 685 00:31:35,727 --> 00:31:36,687 Speaker 1: money I thought I needed. 686 00:31:36,887 --> 00:31:38,807 Speaker 8: I hit my number seven years ago, and my number 687 00:31:38,847 --> 00:31:40,847 Speaker 8: is probably a lot lower than most of these guys. 688 00:31:41,327 --> 00:31:43,567 Speaker 8: And I'm again, anything above that, I'm going to either 689 00:31:43,687 --> 00:31:46,207 Speaker 8: spend it at the Hotel de cap yes, well me 690 00:31:46,647 --> 00:31:48,527 Speaker 8: on friends and people I love, or I'm going to 691 00:31:48,567 --> 00:31:50,807 Speaker 8: give it away. There is no reason once you're above 692 00:31:50,847 --> 00:31:53,327 Speaker 8: a certain number to hoard wealth. Do you realize what 693 00:31:53,567 --> 00:31:55,407 Speaker 8: a virus hoarding is in this nation? 694 00:31:55,727 --> 00:31:58,127 Speaker 3: But also, like, what is the definition of too much money? 695 00:31:58,207 --> 00:32:00,887 Speaker 2: Well that's the question, right, because it's interesting what you're 696 00:32:00,887 --> 00:32:03,487 Speaker 2: saying about these women who got these massive amounts of money, 697 00:32:03,807 --> 00:32:06,167 Speaker 2: and they didn't just get them. It's worth noting it's 698 00:32:06,207 --> 00:32:08,407 Speaker 2: not like they've just got a really good divorce settlement. 699 00:32:08,527 --> 00:32:12,007 Speaker 2: These women were both particularly here. They were both really 700 00:32:12,047 --> 00:32:15,127 Speaker 2: involved in the businesses that made their partners billionaires, right, 701 00:32:15,287 --> 00:32:17,687 Speaker 2: So they got their due and they're continuing to get 702 00:32:17,727 --> 00:32:20,447 Speaker 2: their jew It's interesting to think if you took your 703 00:32:20,527 --> 00:32:23,007 Speaker 2: point to the extreme that when you get that amount 704 00:32:23,047 --> 00:32:26,047 Speaker 2: of money, you throw it all out and you go 705 00:32:26,167 --> 00:32:28,047 Speaker 2: back to working as I don't know, a lawyer in 706 00:32:28,127 --> 00:32:30,647 Speaker 2: a firm in New York and renting apartment around the 707 00:32:30,647 --> 00:32:33,767 Speaker 2: corner like a normal person. Why would you do that 708 00:32:33,887 --> 00:32:35,887 Speaker 2: when you can have such an enormous impact on the 709 00:32:35,927 --> 00:32:42,927 Speaker 2: world with that's not communism it but when you couldn't 710 00:32:42,967 --> 00:32:47,047 Speaker 2: when like if Melinda Gates has spent decades as she has, 711 00:32:47,527 --> 00:32:49,287 Speaker 2: like going and speaking to the people trying to cure 712 00:32:49,327 --> 00:32:51,807 Speaker 2: malaria in Africa and doing all these things and understanding 713 00:32:51,847 --> 00:32:53,807 Speaker 2: how and Geo's work and doing all that stuff, why 714 00:32:53,847 --> 00:32:58,167 Speaker 2: would you not use your money to empower those people. 715 00:32:58,527 --> 00:33:00,447 Speaker 3: No, I'm saying, definitely use it, just to use more 716 00:33:00,567 --> 00:33:03,407 Speaker 3: of it. I think benefit of this to go and 717 00:33:03,527 --> 00:33:05,567 Speaker 3: live in like a studio. I'm not telling how to 718 00:33:05,727 --> 00:33:07,687 Speaker 3: have my life like live in your studio apartment and 719 00:33:07,767 --> 00:33:10,087 Speaker 3: try to make end to meet I'm saying, like, be 720 00:33:10,207 --> 00:33:12,887 Speaker 3: a millionaire. That's a lot of money. That's needs the money. 721 00:33:13,487 --> 00:33:15,447 Speaker 3: No one needs to be a billionaire. I agree with 722 00:33:15,767 --> 00:33:17,687 Speaker 3: that one hundred percent, that no one needs a billionaire. 723 00:33:17,687 --> 00:33:19,687 Speaker 1: But since we live in a work away you guys, 724 00:33:20,007 --> 00:33:23,727 Speaker 1: whenever we have this conversation, it's like someone announces they're 725 00:33:24,167 --> 00:33:28,087 Speaker 1: donating a billion dollars and it's like, why they're donating more? 726 00:33:28,207 --> 00:33:30,527 Speaker 3: That's not my takes so much. 727 00:33:31,047 --> 00:33:33,087 Speaker 1: It's ten percent of all the money that she has. 728 00:33:33,207 --> 00:33:35,047 Speaker 1: Do you donate ten percent of all the money you have? 729 00:33:35,327 --> 00:33:37,727 Speaker 3: No, because I need that ten percent. She doesn't need it, 730 00:33:38,047 --> 00:33:38,887 Speaker 3: fair point M. 731 00:33:39,047 --> 00:33:41,407 Speaker 2: And I'm not I'm not criticizing these women. I think 732 00:33:41,447 --> 00:33:47,647 Speaker 2: they're examples. I'm sorry, Melinda, I think they are excellent examples. 733 00:33:47,727 --> 00:33:51,207 Speaker 2: But what Emm's vocalizing, and she's right, is that we're 734 00:33:51,287 --> 00:33:53,447 Speaker 2: living in a world now with more and more hyper 735 00:33:53,527 --> 00:33:57,327 Speaker 2: rich people than ever before, and nobody does need that 736 00:33:57,487 --> 00:33:58,007 Speaker 2: much money. 737 00:33:58,367 --> 00:34:03,527 Speaker 1: There's also a flywheel, like Mark Zuckerberg can't stop earning money, 738 00:34:03,727 --> 00:34:07,367 Speaker 1: Like he's got these assets, Jeff Bezos, He's built these things. 739 00:34:07,447 --> 00:34:11,367 Speaker 1: They're making money. The values of stock is increasing, So 740 00:34:11,567 --> 00:34:11,767 Speaker 1: do you. 741 00:34:11,847 --> 00:34:14,047 Speaker 3: Set up some direct debit? Which is what they're doing. 742 00:34:14,167 --> 00:34:17,007 Speaker 3: But they're all like, we don't know, even these men. 743 00:34:17,007 --> 00:34:19,367 Speaker 1: Like we don't know what any of these people are 744 00:34:19,407 --> 00:34:22,087 Speaker 1: doing behind the scenes. We don't because remember, the more 745 00:34:22,127 --> 00:34:24,927 Speaker 1: money you have and the more money you make, the 746 00:34:25,087 --> 00:34:28,567 Speaker 1: more you can give away, whether it's during your lifetime 747 00:34:28,607 --> 00:34:30,567 Speaker 1: with a warm hand or after you're gone with a 748 00:34:30,607 --> 00:34:33,687 Speaker 1: cold hand. Isn't that a good thing? Jlo canceled her 749 00:34:33,727 --> 00:34:35,847 Speaker 1: tour this week. Shit is going down. I think we 750 00:34:35,927 --> 00:34:39,327 Speaker 1: can all agree and we unpack the details and have 751 00:34:39,607 --> 00:34:42,087 Speaker 1: a bit of a Barney actually on a subscriber episode, 752 00:34:42,127 --> 00:34:44,327 Speaker 1: take a listen and on the Jailer this. 753 00:34:44,407 --> 00:34:47,687 Speaker 2: Week heartbreaking news. She's canceling her tour. She said it 754 00:34:47,847 --> 00:34:48,527 Speaker 2: was canceled. 755 00:34:48,687 --> 00:34:49,287 Speaker 3: It's off. 756 00:34:49,527 --> 00:34:51,927 Speaker 1: Doesn't give a reason except at the beginning of the 757 00:34:52,047 --> 00:34:54,487 Speaker 1: on the j Loo it says Jennifer is taking time 758 00:34:54,607 --> 00:34:57,687 Speaker 1: off to be with her children, family and close friends. 759 00:34:57,967 --> 00:34:59,727 Speaker 3: Now what do you think everybody took from this? 760 00:34:59,847 --> 00:35:02,087 Speaker 2: Particularly, Well, she's divorcing. 761 00:35:02,207 --> 00:35:06,327 Speaker 1: But I think that what she really could benefit from 762 00:35:07,127 --> 00:35:10,607 Speaker 1: is disappearing for a while. Like, as a celebrity, you've 763 00:35:10,647 --> 00:35:12,687 Speaker 1: got to know when people are sick of you. So 764 00:35:12,807 --> 00:35:14,567 Speaker 1: maybe she needs to disappear for a few years and 765 00:35:14,607 --> 00:35:16,967 Speaker 1: then come back out with a tasteful breakup album. 766 00:35:17,647 --> 00:35:19,847 Speaker 2: Mia and I keep fighting about whose fault this split 767 00:35:19,967 --> 00:35:21,487 Speaker 2: is whether it's Ja Low or Ben. I want the 768 00:35:21,487 --> 00:35:23,767 Speaker 2: out louders to weigh in because this is very petty 769 00:35:23,847 --> 00:35:25,727 Speaker 2: and we don't know their lives, but I still think 770 00:35:25,767 --> 00:35:26,807 Speaker 2: it's important. 771 00:35:27,047 --> 00:35:29,847 Speaker 1: If you enjoy the show, this show, the one you're 772 00:35:29,887 --> 00:35:31,687 Speaker 1: listening to right now, and if we mean something to 773 00:35:31,767 --> 00:35:34,167 Speaker 1: you in your ears, if we make your day or 774 00:35:34,167 --> 00:35:36,167 Speaker 1: your week a little brighter. There are two ways that 775 00:35:36,207 --> 00:35:37,167 Speaker 1: you can show it now. 776 00:35:37,567 --> 00:35:38,287 Speaker 3: You can subscribe. 777 00:35:38,327 --> 00:35:40,407 Speaker 1: Of course, it's only seven dollars a month, which is 778 00:35:40,487 --> 00:35:42,207 Speaker 1: less than the cost of a magazine or maybe one 779 00:35:42,247 --> 00:35:44,247 Speaker 1: and a half coffees depending on where you buy them. 780 00:35:45,087 --> 00:35:48,167 Speaker 1: Or we would love for you to just leave us 781 00:35:48,167 --> 00:35:50,487 Speaker 1: a review wherever you're listening to your podcast now it 782 00:35:50,607 --> 00:35:51,607 Speaker 1: really makes a difference. 783 00:35:52,167 --> 00:35:52,567 Speaker 6: Go do that. 784 00:35:53,007 --> 00:35:53,527 Speaker 3: We are done. 785 00:35:53,647 --> 00:35:55,447 Speaker 2: The Internet has run out of time and space for 786 00:35:55,527 --> 00:35:59,407 Speaker 2: our endless conversations and arguments for today. But with very 787 00:35:59,487 --> 00:36:01,207 Speaker 2: big thanks to you, our out louders, and to our 788 00:36:01,247 --> 00:36:03,167 Speaker 2: brilliant production team, we are going to be back in 789 00:36:03,247 --> 00:36:07,447 Speaker 2: your ears tomorrow. Goodbye bye see Yah. Shout out to 790 00:36:07,527 --> 00:36:10,487 Speaker 2: any Muma Miya subscribers listening. If you love the show 791 00:36:10,607 --> 00:36:13,327 Speaker 2: and you want to support us, Subscribing to Mamma Mia 792 00:36:13,487 --> 00:36:15,047 Speaker 2: is the very best way to do it. 793 00:36:15,367 --> 00:36:17,207 Speaker 3: There's a link in the episode description.