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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome back to you beauty. I'm Kelly McCarran

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Speaker 1: and this is part two with the brilliant Ethan Archer

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Speaker 1: from Agency to Pop arm which he you know words,

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Speaker 1: much nicer than I do. As you would have heard

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Speaker 1: last week, we had such an epic chat that we

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Speaker 1: couldn't fit it all into one episode, Like there was

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Speaker 1: just too much good stuff. We didn't want to cut it.

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Speaker 1: So if you did miss part one, go back and

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Speaker 1: have a listen. We covered so much like seasonal switching

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Speaker 1: and fragrance layering without smelling like David Jones exploded on you. Now, Ethan.

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Speaker 1: We did end last episode talking about joops, but I

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Speaker 1: want to go completely the other direction. What is the

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Speaker 1: most expensive perfume you've ever encountered? Like? What are we

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Speaker 1: talking price wise for the real fancy stuff?

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Speaker 2: You are such beautiful skilled.

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Speaker 1: But how what is the most expensive perfume that you

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Speaker 1: own or have seen?

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Speaker 2: The most expensive that I own is twelve hundred dollars

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Speaker 2: for one hundred mil bottle, which is honestly not that

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Speaker 2: insane given some fragrances around the place. So that's a

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Speaker 2: beautiful one by this brand called Roger Roja, so Roger Dove.

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Speaker 2: He's based in London, but we actually at Libertine Perfumery.

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Speaker 2: We've also got one by him called oat Luxe as

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Speaker 2: in like oad Couture Haut. That one is four thousand,

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Speaker 2: eight hundred dollars I think, but it's that perfume as

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Speaker 2: a sense of humor. It has gold flakes floating in it,

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Speaker 2: which normally would be.

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Speaker 1: For our rich people that have money to burn.

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Speaker 2: Kind of, but the gold in it plays a funny role,

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Speaker 2: which is normally when you'd add gold to something, it's

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Speaker 2: just to make it more expensive. But with him, he

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Speaker 2: added it because by weight the gold is one of

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Speaker 2: the least expensive ingredients in the bottle.

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Speaker 1: Ah, that's quite fe.

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Speaker 2: So it's kind of, you know, just adding something to

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Speaker 2: almost reduce the cost of it a little bit, rather

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Speaker 2: than just having the things like Florentine iris for example.

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Speaker 2: It's a very expensive ingredient, can cost over one hundred

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Speaker 2: thousand dollars a quile for the oil. Wow, well over

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Speaker 1: Dollars and that's in there as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's some of that in there. There's all sorts

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Speaker 2: of beautiful things. There's like French rows in there. It's

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Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. I want to go into. I'm not

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Speaker 1: going to be able to afford it, obviously, but I

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Speaker 2: It's smellish, it's very nice. Yeah, we don't have testers

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Speaker 2: of it everywhere, and they're usually locked up in a

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Speaker 1: Fair enough, because you don't want someone to go in

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Speaker 1: and just.

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Speaker 2: Douse themselcisely precisely.

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Speaker 1: I did that at an airport once actually, when I

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Speaker 1: got off a plane because I felt like there'd been

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Speaker 1: tom Ford? Indeed I did, which also probably just like

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Speaker 1: layered over the stinkiness of the person.

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Speaker 2: Perhaps.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, is there such thing do you believe

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Speaker 2: That's a tricky one, but I think the closest thing

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Speaker 2: to that would be the rather oddly named not a perfume.

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Speaker 2: It has a gun precisely. Yeah, so it's a single ingredient.

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Speaker 2: It's called sea to locks. It's kind of like musky amberry,

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Speaker 2: a little bit woody on some people, a little bit

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Speaker 2: floral on some people. It's literally a single ingredient. And

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Speaker 2: I've never smelled it not work on someone's skin, So yeah,

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Speaker 2: if it's ultra minimalistic, it probably works for everybody.

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Speaker 1: Okay. See, And the funny thing is, I've tried that

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Speaker 1: one and it didn't smell like anything on me.

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Speaker 2: I thought it is super subtle, So it's one where

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Speaker 2: you're almost instantly going to stop smelling it, but it

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Speaker 2: projects really well around you, so other people will smell

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Speaker 1: It's like a mood rather than people layer it as well.

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Speaker 2: You can layer it with it definitely, so it often

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Speaker 2: makes other sense last longer. That's one way you can layer,

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Speaker 1: Speaking of layering it physically, when you just did that

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Speaker 1: So if you put it on your wrist and then

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Speaker 2: In two perfumes and you wish that is a hotly

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Speaker 2: really not a thing, honestly, as far as I'm convinced,

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Speaker 2: it's a myth. If you want to dub your wrists together,

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Speaker 2: otherwise there's no real issue with it, because I think it's.

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Speaker 1: Probably something that people started doing when they were using

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Speaker 2: Of like you dub the little last thing on your wrists.

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Speaker 1: Yet it's also you're kind of unnecessary to do it

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Speaker 1: with the sprits.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about something a little bit nerdy.

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Speaker 2: Go for it.

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Speaker 1: Why don't some fragrances suit certain people? What is happening

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Speaker 1: on a chemical level when a perfume just doesn't work

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Speaker 1: I smelt this girl and she smelt so beautiful, and

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Speaker 1: wearing Sarah Jessica Pucker Lovely. It's very popular for the

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Speaker 1: Uni girls back in the day. And that fragrance smelt

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Speaker 1: awful on me, like it smelt off on me. What happened?

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Speaker 1: Why do some things work on some people and not

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Speaker 2: So there's generally two main factors in that. It's the

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Speaker 2: how alkaline versus how acidic it is. So those will

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Speaker 2: as Well's honestly, there's a lot of things that go

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Speaker 2: Sometimes things will smell really metallic on certain people, or

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Speaker 2: always in important to actually try out sense on your.

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Speaker 1: Sin without on one of those papery things.

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Speaker 2: Exactly if you try it on the paper blott a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, thank you. What's the weirdest note that you've

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Speaker 1: first time someone said that something had the smell of leather,

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Speaker 1: I thought it was the sexiest thing ever. Leather, tobacco,

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Speaker 2: Definitely so with something like leather, they're not actually extracting

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Speaker 2: the scent from leather. It's just recreated using various other things.

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Speaker 2: And in fact, leather when you smell leather, that's not

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Speaker 2: actually the smell of the leather. That's the smell of

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Speaker 2: various other things I've been added during the tanning process,

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Speaker 2: because leather doesn't smell very good by itself.

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Speaker 1: No, it wouldn't. It would smell like a dead cow.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty much like leather. Tannery is are meant to

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Speaker 2: smell horrible, but that's why they add perfume to leather,

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Speaker 2: so weirdest notes I've ever come across. Some you get

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Speaker 2: really stupid ones, like gold or diamonds that are literally inert.

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Speaker 2: They don't have a smell or pearls or whatever like that.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't make any marketing thing though, right, They just like

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Speaker 2: It, or yeah, like andger our friend, Yeah, he's got

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Speaker 2: the gold in there. The gold doesn't have a smell,

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Speaker 2: but it's there as like a fun little addition. But

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Speaker 2: he wouldn't list gold as one of the notes because,

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Speaker 2: like he knows as well as anyone, there is no

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Speaker 2: smell to gold. But occasionally you'll see something like blood

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Speaker 2: in a perfume or wet concrete. Again not actual blood

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Speaker 1: But other things blood in a perfume. I actually can't

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Speaker 1: But I get like the rain on wet grass or

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, or something like ink is actually surprisingly popular

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Speaker 2: to pick the actual ink. Note when you're smelling a scent, okay, inside,

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Speaker 1: Bad enough, when I use vitamin scene it smells like

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Speaker 2: No, you wouldn't like that perfume.

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Speaker 1: No, what's a strange like note that you actually love?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Good question? The smell of rain or storms, like

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Speaker 2: that kind of dusty, earthy rain smell, like when when

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Speaker 1: Everyone loves that smell.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's weird that you can bottle it, though.

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Speaker 2: Like there's something there's this thing called mitti, a tar

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Speaker 2: actual clay. They dig up clay and extract the scent

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Speaker 2: so we can smell when rain is approaching. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: I guess it's not such a weird smell. But I

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Speaker 2: just love that the smell of rain can be bottled

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Speaker 2: and put into a perfec Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Because it is such a beautiful, unique fragrance.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: How many cents can the average human nose actually distinguish?

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Speaker 2: So interesting question. I've got two totally opposite sounding answers

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Speaker 2: to that. So perfumers typically they can name between five

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Speaker 2: hundred and a thousand different ingredients. They pick up a perfume,

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Speaker 2: they smell the perfume and they can name, you know,

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Speaker 2: sort of recreate it more or less that way. But

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Speaker 2: that's just ones that they can name. So the human nose,

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Speaker 2: because we've got four hundred cent receptors in the nose,

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Speaker 2: there's various combinations of sense available.

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Speaker 1: I've had a nose job, so mine probably doesn't work

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Speaker 2: You who knows?

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Speaker 1: Who knows my nerves and receptors?

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm not a surge and I don't know

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Speaker 2: how that side of things works. But I know that

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Speaker 2: the humanos can detect about a trillion different sense couldn't

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Speaker 2: name all of them, but like numbering from one to

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Speaker 2: a trillion, I could write down a number in there

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Speaker 2: and you could tell me what the number is. It

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Speaker 2: doesn't mean that you could, you know, come up with

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Speaker 2: the name of it from memory, had a trillion different

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Speaker 2: sense Basically to the human nos, I plain it.

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Speaker 1: All, and I'm not just telling you random fun facts.

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Speaker 1: But I have like this skill where I because I

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Speaker 1: love and playing it ball so much, I look at

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Speaker 1: a person and I'll be like, you're a ga or

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Speaker 1: just because of their vibe and personality. I'm assuming that

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Speaker 1: you can do that with perfumes. You can assign a

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Speaker 1: perfume to a person.

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Speaker 2: I think I need to get to know a person

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Speaker 2: a little bit, So for me, I need to know

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Speaker 2: what someone's ideal life is or what they do in

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Speaker 2: their spare time. Because you want a scent that actually

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Speaker 2: reflects who you are outside of the moment when you're

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Speaker 2: meeting somebody. So if you want like a leathery petroley

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Speaker 2: kind of a smell, like you own horses and you

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Speaker 2: repair your own car, great that's going to as a perfume.

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Speaker 2: But if you don't have lifestyle like that at all,

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Speaker 2: it's going to clash. It's just not going to smell

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Speaker 2: quite right. If you smell like a florist but you're

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Speaker 2: never around flowers, it might just smell kind of odd.

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Speaker 2: Everyone wears floral sense, but like I'm talking about that

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Speaker 2: green sap, kind of a proper florist smell. Yeah, sometimes

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Speaker 2: I can get a vibe based on what a person's wearing.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I want you to try me. I'll tell you

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Speaker 1: a few more. Okay, So I'm a mum of a

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Speaker 1: three year old. Yeah, I work in beauty, so I

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Speaker 1: get to try a lot of things. I love my netball.

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Speaker 1: I like to smell clean, yeah most of the time,

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Speaker 1: but then something a little bit extra some of the time.

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Speaker 1: Love your langu lang and love like jasmine and white flowers.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I reckon you would probably enjoy this one by

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Speaker 2: the brand Clive Christian. It's called it's a very long name,

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Speaker 2: jump up and kiss me ecstatic. So it's the strong

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Speaker 2: tubero's perfume i've ever come across. It's not sweet in

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Speaker 2: any way, but it's a bold scent and if you

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Speaker 2: only spray one spray of a fragrance, I think that

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Speaker 2: one will work really well because you only need one

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Speaker 2: spray of something like that.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to go and smell it really good and

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Speaker 1: then report back if you've nailed me in a fragrance right,

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Speaker 1: Because people that know fragrance you just like get it.

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Speaker 1: I think you probably better at it than you even

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Speaker 1: give yourself credit for.

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Speaker 2: Maybe maybe you can.

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Speaker 1: Start a little side hustle. Come on, I'll meet you, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and start consultations to start charging by the hour phone.

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what the number of friends who ask

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Speaker 2: me for fragrance recommendations though, I will literally just say,

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Speaker 2: all right, let's just meet up in the city and

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Speaker 2: we'll just go perfume.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll just go perfume shopping.

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Speaker 2: That's not fun.

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much for joining us to I

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Speaker 1: could chat you're off about perfume.

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Speaker 2: All day same.

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Speaker 1: I have loved this chat more than I can even say.

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Speaker 1: And thank you so much for sharing all of your

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Speaker 1: beautiful brain for this incredible fragrance wisdom.

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Speaker 2: Ubius.

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