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Speaker 1: I'm Claire Murphy. This is Mumma MEA's twice daily news podcast,

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Speaker 1: The Quickie. It's Adoption Awareness Month and if you've ever

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Speaker 1: way to expand or start your family, we have some info.

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Speaker 2: That might help.

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Speaker 1: We'll speak to Sarah Davidson, host of the CSA podcast,

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Speaker 1: who was herself adopted, to also help us understand what

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Speaker 1: But before we do that, here's the latest from the

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Speaker 3: The Israeli military has set its Air Force struck a

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Speaker 3: facility used by Hesbela to store mid range rockets in

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Speaker 3: southern Lebanon after both sides accused each other of breaching

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Speaker 3: a ceasefire. Israel said it opened fire on Thursday towards

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Speaker 3: what it called suspects, with vehicles arriving at several areas

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Speaker 3: the truce with Iran back armed group Hezblah, which came

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Speaker 3: into effect on Wednesday. The exchange of accusations highlighted the

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Speaker 3: fragility of the cease fire, which was broken by the

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Speaker 3: United States and France to end the conflict fought in

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Speaker 3: parallel with the Garza War. The truce last for sixty

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Speaker 3: days in the hopes of reaching a permanent ceasefire. Israel's

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Speaker 3: airstrike on Thursday was the first since the truce took

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Speaker 3: effect on Wednesday morning. Australia is about to ban children

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Speaker 3: younger than sixteen from social media underworld leading laws to

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Speaker 3: be enshrined before Christmas. The legislation is poised to pass

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Speaker 3: as age verification technology trials are still being carried out

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Speaker 3: by the federal government. Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, Reddit and x

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Speaker 3: for health and education services including YouTube, Messenger, kids WhatsApp,

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Speaker 3: kids helpline and Google class Room. Black Friday sales are

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Speaker 3: expected to break records as cash strapped Australian families hunt

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Speaker 3: are expected to spend six point seven billion dollars from

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Speaker 3: Black Friday, surpassing Boxing Day as the most popular sales

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Speaker 3: November and December. The report also found Australian shoppers will

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Speaker 3: each spend four hundred and eighty one dollars on average

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Speaker 3: It also revealed that thirty percent of people planned to

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Speaker 3: use buy now, Pay late schemes, a trend experts a

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Speaker 3: tribute to the rising cost of living pressures. Madonna will

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Speaker 3: Madonna for Sky Documentaries, which is based around a newly

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Speaker 1: That's your latest news headlines. Next, What's it like growing

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Speaker 1: we mark National Adoption Awareness Month. I recently read through

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Speaker 1: they were when they found out. The responses showed just

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Speaker 1: Adoption is not the same for everyone, but the truth

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Speaker 1: This represents a ninety eight percent decline from and the

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Speaker 1: nearly ten thousand adoptions recorded in nineteen seventy one. Seventy

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Speaker 1: two of those recent adoptions, one hundred and seventy three

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Speaker 1: highlights the critical need for permanent, stable family environments. Modern

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Speaker 1: with adoptive families. The system encompasses three main categories, local

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Speaker 1: adoptions within Australia, into country adoptions through international partnerships, and

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Speaker 1: known child adoptions including step parent and relative arrangements. All

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Speaker 1: adoptions in Australia must now be open, ensuring children grow

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Speaker 1: This approach recognizes the importance of identity and cultural connections,

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Speaker 1: but those in the field know there are some serious

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Speaker 1: barriers to adopting a child in this country. The stringent

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Speaker 1: There's the financial considerations and associated costs with adoption, which

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Speaker 1: for many. The adoption process also is not a quick

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Speaker 1: Research shows that early stability is crucial for children's development

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Speaker 1: That stable environment is something Sarah Davidson appreciates more than

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Speaker 1: I think for those of us who haven't been exposed

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Speaker 1: So we presume that as soon as you're kind of

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Speaker 2: So I've never had that desire.

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Speaker 4: But then there's also the fact that there's a big

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Speaker 4: The way I put it to people to kind of

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Speaker 4: it wouldn't change that you call your mum and dad

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Speaker 4: you might have sense of betrayal, and you know, all

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Speaker 4: Told me they were outside, I'd be so curious to

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Speaker 1: Do you think the stigma around adoption has changed over

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Speaker 1: guess maybe stigma's not even the right word. It's almost

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Speaker 1: some kind of I don't know, shame attached to it,

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Speaker 1: like whether your parents experience that with not having in

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Speaker 1: and then there's this idea that because you're a different

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Speaker 1: What's it like for you being a mum now and

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Speaker 4: I cannot comprehend it. That is half my husband, half me.

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Speaker 4: I've never seen my features reflected in anyone. Knowing that

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Speaker 4: I'm met him now and I knew that he wasn't

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Speaker 4: my biological child, I would love.

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Speaker 2: Him the same.

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Speaker 4: So it's sort of been incredibly profound and also like not.

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Speaker 2: As big of a deal as I thought it would.

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Speaker 4: At the same time, like if we wanted to become

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Speaker 4: and we did have a really rough ride to get here,

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Speaker 4: we would have adopted without thinking. And I don't think

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Speaker 4: how love would have been any different. And Nick's mum

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Speaker 4: Asian adopted into Australia, so adoption is not foreign to us.

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Speaker 4: It's always been very very clear examples that you know,

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Speaker 4: people say blood is thicker than water.

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Speaker 2: I think like love is thicker than both.

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Speaker 1: National Adoption Awareness Month serves as a crucial reminder of

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Speaker 1: the thousands of Australian children awaiting permanent homes. It's an

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