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Speaker 2: Hey, I'm Taylor Strano. This is MMA MIA's twice daily

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Speaker 2: news podcast, The Quickie. Convicted murderer Aaron Patterson is back

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Speaker 2: in court this week after being found guilty of murdering

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Speaker 2: three people. She'll face her sole survivor and hear from

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Speaker 2: the families of those fatally poisoned during a lunch in

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Speaker 2: July twenty twenty three. So what did we learn from

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Speaker 2: day one, what can we expect from day two, and

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Speaker 2: what happens next? Before we get there, here's Claire Murphy

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Speaker 2: with the latest from the Quickie newsroom for Tuesday, August

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Speaker 2: twenty six.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Taylor Mushow. Murderer Aaron Pattison will learn her fate

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Speaker 1: in thirteen days. The triple killer sentence date set for

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Speaker 1: September eight. The date was set at the end of

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Speaker 1: an emotional plea hearing on Monday, where Pattison's legal team

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Speaker 1: accepted the offending for which she was convicted was very grave,

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Speaker 1: saying we make no argument and at the head sentence

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Speaker 1: should be anything other than life imprisonment. The ultimate issue

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Speaker 1: between the parties is whether a non parole period should

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Speaker 1: be fixed. Prosecutors say Patterson, who's been in prison since

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Speaker 1: November twenty twenty three, was not deserving of the court's

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Speaker 1: mercy because her crime was so cruel and so horrific.

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Speaker 1: Patterson was found guilty by a jury of three murders

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Speaker 1: and one attempted murder over the deaths of her estranged

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Speaker 1: husband Simon's family, Don and Gale Patterson, and Heather Wilkinson

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three. She maintains her innocence despite pleas

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Speaker 1: from sole surviving lunch guest Ian Wilkinson, to confess and repent.

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Speaker 1: Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyah, who says and Israeli strike

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Speaker 1: including five journalists, was a tragic mishap. Netanyahu said in

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Speaker 1: a statement on Monday that Israel values the work of journalists,

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Speaker 1: medical staff, and all civilians, and that the military is investigating.

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Speaker 1: Cameraman her Son al Masri, a Reuter's contractor, was killed

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Speaker 1: in the initial strike. Officials at the hospital and witnesses

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Speaker 1: Al Jazeira, Moez Abu Taha, a freelance journalists who worked

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Speaker 1: with several news organizations, and armored Abu Aziz, as well

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Speaker 1: France and others, have condemned the attack. Kilma Abrago, the

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Speaker 1: symbol of US President Donald Trump's aggressive immigration policies, has

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Speaker 1: that's completely unconstitutional. Australia's younger senator has delivered her first

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Speaker 2: Thanks Claire Next. Aaron Patterson is back in court. Today

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Speaker 2: As a reminder, on July seventh, a Supreme Court jury

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Speaker 2: When Justice Christopher Bille hands down his sentence, Patterson and

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Speaker 2: her team will have twenty eight days to appeal. Now

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Speaker 2: victim impact statements were read out by many people. Leading

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Speaker 2: Ian Wilkinson led the proceedings.

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Speaker 3: What did he have to say that was really really emotional?

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Speaker 2: While Erin was sitting there listening to these impact statements,

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Speaker 3: So the judge is obviously having to take into consideration

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Speaker 2: So Erin's pleaded not guilty to all charges and claimed

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