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Speaker 2: twenty second of November, and I'm Hollywaynwright, I'm Mea Friedman,
Speaker 2: and I'm Jesse stevens An on today's show. There has
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Speaker 2: than ever before. What's that about? Also recommendations including some
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Speaker 2: Worst of the week, But first.
Speaker 1: In case you missed it, there is a scientific reason
Speaker 1: that women get the ick. Prey, prey, don't what Morgan?
Speaker 3: Okay, fine, fine, I have the ech I know.
Speaker 1: Are you happy?
Speaker 4: I can't believe I ever let him touch me with
Speaker 4: those giant flower holding here.
Speaker 1: Oh the eck. You know it always seems to find
Speaker 1: a way. If you're not familiar with the ick, you're
Speaker 1: very fortunate. It's a modern slang term that has been
Speaker 1: used to describe that sudden feeling of disgust or repulsion
Speaker 1: that you get towards someone you had previously wanted to
Speaker 1: be naked with, usually because of something they did or
Speaker 1: said or or ye. But scientists are claiming that it's
Speaker 1: actually an evolutionary survival tactic. It's your body trying to
Speaker 1: protect you. Because female prime who.
Speaker 2: Wear songs, well, yes, female.
Speaker 1: Primates are more easily disgusted than their male counterparts by food, potential, mates,
Speaker 1: and even neighbors. That's because women have evolved to be
Speaker 1: more easily grossed out in order to protect ourselves. So
Speaker 1: our sensitivity to the ick. Also, in terms of a
Speaker 1: sexual mate, you don't want to mate with someone who
Speaker 1: might put something yucky in you.
Speaker 5: One.
Speaker 3: Also, I think that it's because of pregnancy and child
Speaker 3: apparently wear more risk of certain diseases and all that
Speaker 3: kind of stuff. So it's not imagined women get the
Speaker 3: easier than men do exactly.
Speaker 1: And you know this if you've ever been in a
Speaker 1: situation in a bed with a man and you have
Speaker 1: the flu or something, I don't know, gastrom he doesn't
Speaker 1: get the hick. However, a sick man is very unattractive
Speaker 1: to a straight female. If a man mates with a
Speaker 1: sick woman, that's kind of her problem, you know, back
Speaker 1: in the day. But the other way around, it actually
Speaker 1: imperils the woman. So we are biologically programmed to be
Speaker 1: very ex sensitive.
Speaker 3: This is borry.
Speaker 2: I'm so bored.
Speaker 3: This week I came across some really interesting research on boredom.
Speaker 3: The amount of time young people spend being bored appears
Speaker 3: to be on the rise, despite us being in the
Speaker 3: age of literally endless entertainment. So there was a paper
Speaker 3: in the journal Communication Psychology which found that over the
Speaker 3: last fifteen years, with data drawn from the US and
Speaker 3: from China, very big data sets, people reported being more
Speaker 3: bored now. James dan Kirt, who is a professor of
Speaker 3: cognitive neuroscience, says that boredom serves a really important function,
Speaker 3: which is to press us to explore the world. It
Speaker 3: propels us into action. And when we feel bored, we
Speaker 3: don't just want entertainment. We often want something unpredictable or meaningful.
Speaker 3: He says. When you start scrolling on your phone, a
Speaker 3: ton of what you're going to see there is highly predictable,
Speaker 3: and this is because of algorithms, and they know what
Speaker 3: we want. And the more predictable our world becomes, the
Speaker 3: less meaningful it is, and therefore the more boring it becomes.
Speaker 1: So the infinite scroll is about I'm looking for a
Speaker 1: dopamine here, which is something that's going to be interesting
Speaker 1: to me, which is harder and harder to find because
Speaker 1: I know it's just going to say served me more
Speaker 1: of what I had been consuming.
Speaker 2: Exactly and everything.
Speaker 3: Whereas if you were to walk outside or go for
Speaker 3: a walk around the block or have a social interaction,
Speaker 3: then anything could happen. That's where spontaneity.
Speaker 1: Actually that you get more bored in your bubble.
Speaker 3: Bubbles are bored. Yeah, bubbles are incredibly boring. So this
Speaker 3: study made me think about the last time I was bored.
Speaker 3: So we asked around the mum and mea office and
Speaker 3: here's what they said.
Speaker 5: The last time I was really bored is when I
Speaker 5: went free camping with my dad and he went fishing
Speaker 5: and took the car which had my book and all
Speaker 5: the fun things that could keep me sane inside of it,
Speaker 5: and he just left me with the camp gear and
Speaker 5: I was just sitting around looking at nature, me and
Speaker 5: my thoughts, and it wasn't.
Speaker 2: A very good idea.
Speaker 5: The last time I was really bored is when I
Speaker 5: got on a long flight and I realized there was
Speaker 5: no in flight entertainment and I had nothing with me.
Speaker 3: Probably now, because my partner and I are looking at
Speaker 3: getting into crocheting.
Speaker 6: So I can't recall the last time I was bored
Speaker 6: because I feel like you get to a certain age
Speaker 6: and if you're one of those people that can enjoy
Speaker 6: your own company, it's not boredom. It's just a pause
Speaker 6: and it's nice to have a rest sometimes.
Speaker 5: The last time I was bored was on my very
Speaker 5: bigger two hour commute to work.
Speaker 1: I'm a little bit bored now.
Speaker 3: From listening to people talk about, well.
Speaker 1: In all seriousness, when your brain doesn't make enough dopamine,
Speaker 1: and you know that's one of the symptoms of neurodiversity.
Speaker 1: For me, boredom is actually uncomfortable. I can't explain it.
Speaker 3: And this is the thing, right, Boredom is, as a
Speaker 3: universal human experience, uncomfortable, but it's a different type of
Speaker 3: discomfort if you're a neuro.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I think so, because I don't know what
Speaker 1: it's like if you're not. Like, no one enjoys being bored, right, No.
Speaker 1: But for me, the fear of boredom is so intense.
Speaker 1: It's like someone might be scared of spiders. I'm scared
Speaker 1: of boredom. It dictates my life.
Speaker 2: Where was the last time you were born?
Speaker 1: Well, I'm bored all the time. That's the thing. I'm
Speaker 1: bored so easily all the time that it's almost like
Speaker 1: this constant ping ponging back and forth between and bored.
Speaker 1: I need to find something to do on board, and
Speaker 1: I need to find something to do on board. I
Speaker 1: need to so it's like a restlessness.
Speaker 3: It's interesting that you bring up dopamine because it is
Speaker 3: a symptom of clinical depression is boredom. So I was
Speaker 3: thinking about the last time I was bored, and parenting
Speaker 3: a young child has moments of boredom, for sure, But
Speaker 3: when I have been going through periods of depression, the
Speaker 3: scariest thing for me is the infiniteness of the boredom.
Speaker 3: It's like, no matter what I do, I can't get
Speaker 3: the dopamine. So I feel bored with myself, I feel.
Speaker 1: Bored with other people on anything.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. It's like everything is sort of in gray scale.
Speaker 2: How about you, Holly, I was thinking when you first
Speaker 2: asked me when was the last time he was bored?
Speaker 2: I was going to say, I'm never bored because the
Speaker 2: phase of life, I mean, there's just always something that
Speaker 2: needs doing, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Like, are any of those things bored well then, but yeah.
Speaker 2: And then I really considered sort of the state of
Speaker 2: because I'm never bored in that way that a kid
Speaker 2: is bored, like say my teenage is board where she's like, oh,
Speaker 2: there's nothing to do, you know what I mean, because
Speaker 2: there's always fucking something to do, right, So not that
Speaker 2: kind of bored. But I think that the constant stimulation
Speaker 2: that I expect from my life now means that things
Speaker 2: that shouldn't be boring are boring. So I was thinking
Speaker 2: about how, because I'm always in putting podcasts and whatever
Speaker 2: into my ears, that if the conversation that I'm having
Speaker 2: with a stranger or somebody I don't know very well
Speaker 2: doesn't live up to that level of like ping pong,
Speaker 2: new information, funny, funny, whatever, then I'm quite easily bored
Speaker 2: by it. And I might commit the cardinal sin of
Speaker 2: desperately wanting to pull out my phone, because that is
Speaker 2: our learned response to boredom now, right, even though it's
Speaker 2: not the solution, as you were just saying, You're like,
Speaker 2: this conversation is making me so bored I want to
Speaker 2: pull out my phone. Is a terrible feeling to have, Like,
Speaker 2: I don't mean terrible for me, I mean a terrible
Speaker 2: impulse because so that's not how humans work, it's not
Speaker 2: how they talk. Their interaction isn't designed to be constantly
Speaker 2: fascinating and giving you. But nothing can.
Speaker 1: Compete with a phone. Can anything be more interesting?
Speaker 2: My phone is boring as hell. I like some of
Speaker 2: the things on it, but I find the scroll makes
Speaker 2: me sad.
Speaker 1: You're right, I should have said the potential of a
Speaker 1: phone that, as you say, Jesse, he's never realized really
Speaker 1: because you don't. You never put your phone and go wow,
Speaker 1: I feel really full in the same way that you'd
Speaker 1: finish a TV show or a book or a conversation
Speaker 1: or a podcast and you go oh wow. You never
Speaker 1: feel that after you just mindlessly pick up your phone.
Speaker 3: Because to attainment is not the same as fulfillment. It's
Speaker 3: not the same as being satisfied. And in terms of evolution,
Speaker 3: that boredom impulse, which is evolution, would have us to
Speaker 3: be the most bored iterations of humankind, right because we've
Speaker 3: probably pro created because the people who are bored have
Speaker 3: an stinc to go and innovate and challenge and create newness.
Speaker 3: Like if we didn't have boredom and there were you know,
Speaker 3: hunters and gatherers, or like, why would you go anywhere?
Speaker 3: You would just be so stimulated by staring at your
Speaker 3: own feet that you would never go anywhere. So it's
Speaker 3: actually a really good thing to be bored. But what
Speaker 3: that impulse is telling us to do is to find newness,
Speaker 3: have a conversation, be invent be inventive, be creative, use
Speaker 3: your imagination. But when we don't do that, we just
Speaker 3: end up more and more bored. So I found a
Speaker 3: definition because I was like, I need to kind of
Speaker 3: remind myself what boredom even is, and it's the state
Speaker 3: of feeling disinterested in one's surroundings, having nothing to do,
Speaker 3: or feeling that life is dull, and all of those
Speaker 3: things are reinforced often by just being on my phone.
Speaker 3: I think I often feel bored on my phone hundred percent.
Speaker 2: But I also think depending on what kind of person
Speaker 2: you are, because you know how people often say that
Speaker 2: they would be really afraid of retirement because they would
Speaker 2: be like, oh, be so bored, right, I never think
Speaker 2: I would be bored because I think that's what I'm
Speaker 2: going to read all the books that I have always
Speaker 2: wanted to read but never have time to or like,
Speaker 2: because I live in my head a lot and I
Speaker 2: like reading and writing and that kind of stuff. Like,
Speaker 2: I don't think I would be bored. But if I
Speaker 2: was the kind of person who that isn't stimulating, for
Speaker 2: they fill their days with jobs, right, like endless jobs,
Speaker 2: the cliche of the man who's pottering around the shed
Speaker 2: all the time and fixing things in the house and whatever.
Speaker 2: But like, I couldn't imagine ever being bored if I
Speaker 2: had a good book.
Speaker 3: So I think what you're getting to, Holly is meaning.
Speaker 3: If you have meaning, then there is no boredom. Yeah,
Speaker 3: there was a study done about though, if you have
Speaker 3: meaning to what you're doing. So if you retire, yeah,
Speaker 3: but you still feel like you have meaning and purpose,
Speaker 3: then you can't really see it because you've.
Speaker 1: Got stuff to do. Isn't that what meaning and purpose is?
Speaker 1: Or is that my problem that I'm so focused on productivity.
Speaker 3: Well, to some people, reading a book would be really boring,
Speaker 3: but to Holly, it's a meaningful activity. So I think
Speaker 3: that's the thing. It's like, if it's meaning making, then.
Speaker 1: But what about Like one of the people in the
Speaker 1: office said he and his partner are going to learn
Speaker 1: to crochet. That's not a lot of meaning in crocheting,
Speaker 1: But isn't that creating activity.
Speaker 3: It's creative, it's creating. So I suppose it's like there
Speaker 3: are some podcasts that if anyone else put it on,
Speaker 3: they'd find it so boring. But it's just my relationship
Speaker 3: to it is such that I'm getting a lot out
Speaker 3: of it. But the prospect of boredom can make my
Speaker 3: skin crawl, It can make me feel nauseous, feel and
Speaker 3: in fact, I read a definition that said it's akin
Speaker 3: to disgust. There is a sense of disgust about boredom.
Speaker 3: And I have this memory of being a kid in
Speaker 3: sick bay and waiting for my mum to pick me up,
Speaker 3: and it felt like hours would past, and I didn't
Speaker 3: even have a clock, I didn't have anything, and I
Speaker 3: would count the bricks on the wall. To me, that
Speaker 3: is the epitome of boredom. And it was like I
Speaker 3: was in a jail cell and I was so so bored.
Speaker 3: And I read this like philosophical idea that the reason
Speaker 3: were so afraid of boredom is that it forces us
Speaker 3: to confront the existential void, the nothingness of our own existence,
Speaker 3: like the fact that all we're ever doing is trying
Speaker 3: to feel it because we don't want to think about dying. Essentially,
Speaker 3: we don't want to think about how terrifying the universe
Speaker 3: and all the parts of it are.
Speaker 2: Stop talking about.
Speaker 3: So it's like busyness, busyness, business. And if we get bored,
Speaker 3: I think we're all a little bit scared of where
Speaker 3: the fuck our brains will go, because it's like there
Speaker 3: is a big thing waiting for us, like the certainty.
Speaker 1: Sometimes so if I've got like a lot on my mind,
Speaker 1: there are very few occasions but I'll have to restrict
Speaker 1: the amount of stimulation coming in. So I might go
Speaker 1: from say a podcast or visual stimulation or you know,
Speaker 1: to just music. And sometimes I'll have to have silence,
Speaker 1: Like if I'm driving, I know that there's some shit
Speaker 1: going down. If I have to drive in silence, yes,
Speaker 1: And that's not even a conscious decision. But sometimes it's
Speaker 1: just like there's no more I just need. There's simulation
Speaker 1: for everything, and it's very rare that I get over stimulated,
Speaker 1: but sometimes when I do, I just need that space
Speaker 1: to think. And they say necessity is the mother of invention,
Speaker 1: but I also think boredom is the mother of invention,
Speaker 1: and boredom is the mother of creativity.
Speaker 2: One hundred percent. This is why parents forever have said
Speaker 2: to their kids when their kids go, I'm bored. Only
Speaker 2: boring people are bought. That is the cliche of all time, right,
Speaker 2: And I said to my children too, what do you
Speaker 2: mean you're brought? You've got a house full of stuff,
Speaker 2: you've got a garden, you've got this, you've got that.
Speaker 2: Go and do something. Go find yourself something to do.
Speaker 1: I feel like yeah, and I you know everyone's parents
Speaker 1: who used to say, if you're bored off, Joe, want
Speaker 1: me to find you a job to do.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 1: But I feel as a mother, Oh, I felt when
Speaker 1: my kids were small that my biggest failure was if
Speaker 1: my kids were bored. Somehow I'd internalize this weird message
Speaker 1: that my job is to make sure my children never
Speaker 1: experience a moment of boredom, and if they do, I
Speaker 1: have failed. Along with if they feel sad, if they
Speaker 1: feel disappointed, if they feel anything negat there's this particularly border.
Speaker 3: God, there's this focus on stimulation and education. I listened
Speaker 3: to a great podcast a few months ago, Holly You
Speaker 3: did two with It was Judia Tolentino, Ezra Client and
Speaker 3: I'm Geo Tarantino talking about parenting and how we've got
Speaker 3: this idea that everything we have our children do has
Speaker 3: to be in some way educational.
Speaker 4: Nothing's educational at this age anyway, Like I've never most
Speaker 4: of the cocomela and audience is not learning shit, you know.
Speaker 4: I was wading through a lot of literature and research
Speaker 4: about this. Tiny little babies can process TV more than
Speaker 4: we think they can, but they can't really learned anything anyway.
Speaker 4: And I think that absolutely the It feels kind of
Speaker 4: like overtly like a veneer, that everyone is just pretending
Speaker 4: that we can talk about what is going to be
Speaker 4: good for them and what is healthy and what.
Speaker 3: Is not, and in fact it's feeding into the idea
Speaker 3: that we have to be productive all the time. Like
Speaker 3: some of what kids do doesn't have to have any purpose,
Speaker 3: they just do it. But I have noticed Lerna's gotten
Speaker 3: to an age where I see signs of boredom and
Speaker 3: I see it as I'm being a bad mother that
Speaker 3: day because I haven't got her out to the park enough,
Speaker 3: or I haven't There's this ridiculous focus on stimulation where
Speaker 3: like arousal in terms of just like stimulation in the
Speaker 3: world probably just needs to be turned down like ten notches.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting because obviously you can't live in other
Speaker 2: people's heads. But when I was young and I was bored,
Speaker 2: and even now, if I'm doing a really boring job,
Speaker 2: if I'm washing dishes, if I'm cleaning the bathroom, if
Speaker 2: I'm doing I hate all that shit. Then I tell
Speaker 2: myself stories in my head. Like I've always lived in
Speaker 2: my head. And when I was a kid, I'd invent
Speaker 2: whole worlds and there was a character that was me.
Speaker 2: But I was married to Simon Labond from Duran Duran,
Speaker 2: and like we lived in a house down the road
Speaker 2: and my friend was going out with Nick Rhodes, and
Speaker 2: like you, I should write fiction, well exactly, And I
Speaker 2: always lived in stories often. I still do that now.
Speaker 2: So if I'm bored, I just tell myself stories. I
Speaker 2: don't really make outfits get bored, and so I expect
Speaker 2: that my kids are like you know what I mean. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but what's intest thing about my teenager who if she's
Speaker 2: got a Saturday afternoon where she doesn't have plans and
Speaker 2: she's bored, bored, bored b then she will scroll her TikTok,
Speaker 2: but she will get bored of that without prompting from me,
Speaker 2: She'll go, I feel disgusting.
Speaker 1: Now, yeah, there's something about not only does it not
Speaker 1: fill you up, but there's a different state that I
Speaker 1: feel like we don't have a name.
Speaker 3: For just despair.
Speaker 1: It's not even that extreme.
Speaker 2: It's just kind of it.
Speaker 1: It's like, I feel disgusting, I feel yucky. It's really interesting.
Speaker 1: I can tell. I'm trying to teach myself to become
Speaker 1: more aware of when I cross that line. So I'll
Speaker 1: look at my phone and I'll like, I'll check my emails,
Speaker 1: I'll check my bar I'll d d d DA, I'll
Speaker 1: cross over from the interest of it to feeling disgusting.
Speaker 1: And I'm usually then on my second round of checking
Speaker 1: my Instagram check, checking another website, and then going to
Speaker 1: my second tier of websites that I check, and then
Speaker 1: my third tier, and then I'm just like ooh, And
Speaker 1: I'm trying to be more alert to that feeling and
Speaker 1: snap out of it. But like, phones have addicted us,
Speaker 1: and I think that our tolerance for boredom has become
Speaker 1: lower and lower and lower and lower. And lower, because
Speaker 1: boredom used to be built into every aspect of our life,
Speaker 1: every aspect.
Speaker 3: You know what I've found myself doing and now it isn't,
Speaker 3: which is a feeling of absolute disgust. Is I have
Speaker 3: found myself watching TikTok while brushing my teeth and I've
Speaker 3: stopped and I've gone, yeah, no, we're not doing this.
Speaker 3: We're actually not doing this. This is being good for us.
Speaker 3: Another thing I read was that people who had a
Speaker 3: higher religiosity, so who were religious, report less boredom than
Speaker 3: people who were not. And I thought about that and
Speaker 3: I went, I wonder if religion, like as someone who
Speaker 3: grew up Catholic and went to church, if we practice
Speaker 3: boredom so something in church? Some of my memories, isn't
Speaker 3: it of being bored as a kid, are what seems
Speaker 3: like a never ending mass with a sermon I don't understand,
Speaker 3: with songs that I'm not following and just standing there
Speaker 3: in stillness, like religion is about stillness often and you
Speaker 3: would have to find way, whether it's making up stories,
Speaker 3: thinking about what you did last night, thinking about lunch.
Speaker 3: And recently I had to go to something that was
Speaker 3: a mass. I felt itchy, I kind of went, because
Speaker 3: I know it's rude you don't touch your phone, but
Speaker 3: all religious practices do have that stillness. And I wonder
Speaker 3: if the more you practice it, the easier it becomes.
Speaker 3: And then if you do find yourself in a moment
Speaker 3: of boredom, you know what to do. Like the more
Speaker 3: you resist it, the harder it gets.
Speaker 1: Funny you say that, because if I've had my medication,
Speaker 1: I can handle boredom, and I almost look forward to
Speaker 1: those little pockets of just being able to think and
Speaker 1: just let my mind wander. If I haven't, it feels
Speaker 1: really disgusting. It feels like distressing is too strong a word,
Speaker 1: but it feels like really uncomfortable.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I've.
Speaker 1: Been going to synagogue a little bit lately, and I've
Speaker 1: really been enjoying that because you're not meant to look
Speaker 1: at your phone.
Speaker 2: Peace you sit there.
Speaker 1: I just look around and I imagine little store make
Speaker 1: up little st stories about the people I can see,
Speaker 1: and I, yeah.
Speaker 3: You've got to interesting places you don't know otherwise.
Speaker 2: That's why me and I were talking to a friend
Speaker 2: this week who we were talking about meditation, and she
Speaker 2: was talking about going on one of those extreme meditation retreats,
Speaker 2: you know where you don't talk for ten days, right,
Speaker 2: And this is all part of that spirituality obviously, because
Speaker 2: it is about cutting off stimulation to allow yourself to
Speaker 2: rise to a high a plane. But she was saying,
Speaker 2: you know, you have to sit still in one position
Speaker 2: and you have to not move your legs, and you
Speaker 2: have to and it's all about getting through that uncomfortable nature.
Speaker 2: But I when I'm bored, I fall asleep, like I
Speaker 2: just bore myself to sleep. I do that often when
Speaker 2: I'm riding, Like when I'm writing my books, I'll be
Speaker 2: like in an afternoon session and I'll just be like riding,
Speaker 2: I'm like, this is fucking boring.
Speaker 1: Literally fall asleep on my.
Speaker 2: I bored myself to.
Speaker 1: Sleep, and you wake up and then are you like, right,
Speaker 1: I'm ready to go again?
Speaker 3: I'm really not really.
Speaker 2: But I'm like, okay, that's what naps for. Or you
Speaker 2: know the cliche of like politicians falling asleep in parliament
Speaker 2: or people falling asleep in church is that I'm just like,
Speaker 2: I'm so bored, I'm checking out in court. Friends, if
Speaker 2: you're not bored, but you do want a bit of
Speaker 2: that piece that me. I was just talking about We've
Speaker 2: got treat for you, because apparently there is a song
Speaker 2: that has been scientifically declared the most relaxing song of
Speaker 2: all time, guaranteed apparently to alleviate stress and ease anxiety.
Speaker 2: And we're going to play you a little bit of it.
Speaker 1: We haven't heard it, Yeah, we haven't.
Speaker 2: See if we feel.
Speaker 3: I feel a little on edge. I could do with
Speaker 3: something to do compress me.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Okay. This song is called Weightless and it's by Marconi
Speaker 2: Union Take it away, m.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's doing it for me.
Speaker 2: I like that.
Speaker 1: I like that too.
Speaker 3: I like the slow heartbeat.
Speaker 2: It's making me worried. When does the heartbeat stop?
Speaker 1: That's so interesting, So Jesse and I feel instantly relaxed.
Speaker 1: Holly and producer m are incredibly uptight. They really have
Speaker 1: the opposite effect.
Speaker 2: It makes me worried.
Speaker 3: Oh, I really liked that. I felt like I was
Speaker 3: in a float tank.
Speaker 5: Same.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I usually I thought i'd hate it.
Speaker 3: What are you feeling, Holly? You don't like the heartbeat
Speaker 3: like I like it.
Speaker 2: But the thing is is that I'm always anticipating, and
Speaker 2: I find this if I try and listen to those
Speaker 2: like relaxation things is I'm always anticipating for what's going
Speaker 2: to happen and when's it going to stop, and what's
Speaker 2: going to so like that heartbeats lovely, but I'm like,
Speaker 2: oh no, is the heart going to stop? And then
Speaker 2: what's gonna like? It makes me worried? What does that
Speaker 2: say about me? I don't know.
Speaker 1: I really like it.
Speaker 2: Out Louders In a moment, we're going to be back
Speaker 2: with our recommendations for your weekend. But first, here's a
Speaker 2: little break.
Speaker 1: Out loud. It's Friday, so it's time to set up
Speaker 1: your weekend with our recommendations for things to watch. See
Speaker 1: by eight listen to Holly speaking of boring, Yes, I
Speaker 1: am seeing how boring your recommendation does seem to be,
Speaker 1: but trying to sell.
Speaker 2: Us it's a trigger. When you tell me my recommendations boring,
Speaker 2: you know it's a trigger. So I'm recommending a podcast
Speaker 2: that I started listening to because the hosts of it
Speaker 2: stuck into my dms because they are funny and as
Speaker 2: out Louders know, and I know it is boring to
Speaker 2: many people, but I love gardening. I've got a hobby.
Speaker 2: I like growing veggies. Anyway, I've never listened to any
Speaker 2: gardening podcasts because I imagine they would be boring, even
Speaker 2: though I like it. But the other week I posted
Speaker 2: something about making a cocktail on a Friday night and
Speaker 2: my compost bin was in the background, and these women
Speaker 2: stuck into my DMS and said, oh, if only there
Speaker 2: was a show about drinking cocktails and gardening. There is,
Speaker 2: and it's called the Avante Gardener's Podcast, right, and it's
Speaker 2: hosted by these two women from Tasmania, Emily and Madeline Goals.
Speaker 2: They live on land and they really into gardening, and
Speaker 2: they also drink cocktails. So at the beginning of every
Speaker 2: show they tell you what they're drinking, and then not always,
Speaker 2: sometimes they're mocktails, you know, responsible service of our cohoal
Speaker 2: On our podcasts, they tell you what they're drinking, and
Speaker 2: then they have a conversation about gardening, and then they
Speaker 2: have a guest and it is so fun.
Speaker 7: So you gave me some of your scabiosa plants, and
Speaker 7: you've tried again. You've thankfully given me in a nigella
Speaker 7: love in the midst and I'm pretty sure I've worked
Speaker 7: out that the issue where I was planting a lot
Speaker 7: of these plants that you were giving me, including colendula.
Speaker 7: I think we've got a rabbit problem. I think that's
Speaker 7: my issue, is that the rabbits are getting to that spot.
Speaker 7: So I have made it a bit of a mission
Speaker 7: now too. I'm starting to fill all the spaces between
Speaker 7: our fruit.
Speaker 2: Trees and I absolutely love it. And I learned things
Speaker 2: in the very first episode and it's changed my beyond
Speaker 2: gardening and taught me new drinks to make. So my
Speaker 2: recommendation for anyone who likes a cocktail and a little
Speaker 2: potter in the garden.
Speaker 3: Is you get something out of it if you just
Speaker 3: have a few plants.
Speaker 2: Look, I think you probably have to be into gardening
Speaker 2: to a point. They are funny and interesting and it's
Speaker 2: not heavy heavy on the information. But then they get
Speaker 2: someone on and they talk about gardening things but in
Speaker 2: a lighthearted way, and I learned stuff. It made me laugh.
Speaker 2: And also because I listened to lots of Newsy Newsy
Speaker 2: podcasts for our work, you know, like in prepping for
Speaker 2: what we do and stuff, I'm often listening to all
Speaker 2: kinds of American and British and Australian news podcasts. Sometimes
Speaker 2: you want that something gentle and that's something that I'm
Speaker 2: often looking for in my feed is something that's just
Speaker 2: like nice, and that is what this has filled for
Speaker 2: me at the moment. And they've got a funny Instagram account.
Speaker 2: They are called The Avant Gardener's Podcast Emily and Madeline.
Speaker 1: They go, I picked a flower one time.
Speaker 3: I'm going to go because I want to you too.
Speaker 3: Did you watch season one of Bad Sisters?
Speaker 1: I did. I didn't finish it.
Speaker 3: Oh, okay, Bad Sisters.
Speaker 1: I don't know why because I love Sharon Horgan.
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, making me in that show has gone
Speaker 3: down as one of my favorites ever Sharon Horgan. The
Speaker 3: premise is that there are four sisters, five sisters, and
Speaker 3: one of their husband's, Grace's husband dies and that's not
Speaker 3: a spoiler. That happens very early and you wonder who
Speaker 3: did it, and then you realize that all of them
Speaker 3: wanted him dead, and it's just a question of who
Speaker 3: got to him first. And it's a black comedy. In
Speaker 3: terms of scriptwriting a plot, it is just so so clever.
Speaker 3: It's got this great one lineers. It has Bono's daughter
Speaker 3: who's in.
Speaker 2: As the couple forgotten her name.
Speaker 3: Yes, perhaps, Yes, yes, that sounds right. Anyway, have been
Speaker 3: waiting for Bad Sisters Season two for a million years
Speaker 3: and it has just dropped. It is on Apple TV.
Speaker 1: After everything that happened, things are finally looking up.
Speaker 2: Did everyone think about what we did? Like, girls, my husband,
Speaker 2: we are holding involved in this.
Speaker 8: We covered up a murder.
Speaker 5: The world's better off with Actually even the.
Speaker 8: Pool say that.
Speaker 3: Full disclosure. I've only been able to watch the first episode,
Speaker 3: but exactly the same. It's like that warmth and just
Speaker 3: laugh out loud lines that you think you can't say.
Speaker 1: That because it's Irish.
Speaker 3: It's Irish. It's like it's so subversive, it's so surprising,
Speaker 3: and yes it starts with a dead body like the
Speaker 3: other one, but the whole thing's just a joke. So
Speaker 3: it is this warmth, there's a warmth to it.
Speaker 1: And it's never a dead body of someone who's very nice.
Speaker 3: No, exactly, do you.
Speaker 1: Have to have watched season one to watch season two
Speaker 1: or just you know what, I'm going to go back
Speaker 1: and watch season one again because why wouldn't you may
Speaker 1: as well get the full treatment.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, but you know what, you could just
Speaker 3: pick up at season two. Yeah, because I tried to
Speaker 3: get Luca to watch it with me, because I was like,
Speaker 3: I just really really would have been into this, but
Speaker 3: it's just funny. It's so good. Bad Sisted season two.
Speaker 3: It is on Apple Plus.
Speaker 1: My recommendation is a new podcast that Mum and Me
Speaker 1: launched this week. It's called Diary of Birth. We've been
Speaker 1: working on this for a while now. Who doesn't love
Speaker 1: a birth story. I love a birth story, even though
Speaker 1: I haven't given birth for a long time. We wanted
Speaker 1: to find a way for women to tell the stories
Speaker 1: of their births. We've got fascinating, very different types of births.
Speaker 1: This week is friend of the podcast Michelle Battersby, who
Speaker 1: runs a company called Sunroom, and she is very big
Speaker 1: on social media, and a lot of people were sort
Speaker 1: of vicariously living through her pregnancy and how it was
Speaker 1: her birth going to go, and she very openly was
Speaker 1: saying on social that she wasn't going to learn anything
Speaker 1: about giving it, like I'm not going to do any research.
Speaker 2: Is the opposite approach to Jesse Steve Yes.
Speaker 1: But she wasn't being a dick about it.
Speaker 3: She was just very, very relaxed, and she was.
Speaker 1: Busy at work and she was just like look, the
Speaker 1: baby's got to come out. You know, I don't actually
Speaker 1: feel the need to go and do all this research
Speaker 1: best laid plans or best laid lack of plans. So
Speaker 1: she tells her story.
Speaker 9: Just constantly, his heart rate dropping, and a lot of
Speaker 9: people would rush into the room and I would have
Speaker 9: to move positions, and they were trying to work out
Speaker 9: why he wasn't comfortable. So again it was just this
Speaker 9: constant game of how far can we push this baby
Speaker 9: without him really becoming distressed. And so after about thirty
Speaker 9: hours of that whole game, and having had a nepy
Speaker 9: durl and are being stuck at five centimeters for ten hours,
Speaker 9: I just asked, can I please have a C section?
Speaker 3: I just need this to end.
Speaker 1: We've got other amazing stories coming up, like a woman
Speaker 1: who gave birth to quads. Oh Corta by the side
Speaker 1: of the road. Great stories, So we will put a
Speaker 1: link in the show notes or just look up Diary
Speaker 1: of a Birth wherever you get your pods.
Speaker 3: After the break, our best and worst of the week.
Speaker 3: And if you think we've moved past me A's grandma angsty,
Speaker 3: you are wrong. Every Tuesday and Thursday we drop new
Speaker 3: segments of mummya out Loud just for MUMMYA subscriber, follow
Speaker 3: the link in the show notes to get your daily
Speaker 3: dose of out Loud and a big thank you to
Speaker 3: all our current subscribers.
Speaker 1: Best and Worst of the week, where we have a
Speaker 1: little glimpse into our personal lives and still stay away
Speaker 1: from the news cycle. Jesse, what's been the worst of
Speaker 1: your week?
Speaker 3: My worst is gastro.
Speaker 1: Us lots about that.
Speaker 3: The rest of the country I believe has had gastro
Speaker 3: Everyone I've spoken to has said I have also had
Speaker 3: that in the last week or two.
Speaker 1: Got any picks?
Speaker 3: It was bad? It was really bad. No, not have
Speaker 3: any picks. My tell is I wake up and I go, oh,
Speaker 3: I don't for like a coffee And that's when I
Speaker 3: know that things have become very bad, very very noseul
Speaker 3: of that.
Speaker 1: And did everyone say are you pregnant?
Speaker 3: I know no one said that? Actually did you said
Speaker 3: it behind my back? Good girl? But you're growing as
Speaker 3: a person. What was really hard was trying to parent, because.
Speaker 1: Second is the it was being hungover in parenting.
Speaker 3: It was meant to be my day with Lunar and
Speaker 3: we had a toll day planned with all our fun
Speaker 3: activities and it was just not a fun momday. Funny
Speaker 3: speak of boredom. This is a time for your creativity
Speaker 3: and imagination to flourishes because mummy can't stand up. And
Speaker 3: she was just like, this is a terrible day. So
Speaker 3: did she get it? Did No, she didn't get sick,
Speaker 3: which was amazing, but she had no sure it was
Speaker 3: or do you think you just ate another dodgy chicken
Speaker 3: sandwich because you have been known a few days later
Speaker 3: and it's been gone around the office and you can
Speaker 3: just go, yeah, it's not good.
Speaker 2: It was prostro there's nothing worse now it was.
Speaker 3: It was bad, my best I haven't told you guys
Speaker 3: about this.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: So on Sunday night, it was Claire's husband's birthday, so
Speaker 3: we all went out our drinks out out. Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: on the town on town. Luna was with Grandma. It
Speaker 3: was great anyway, So Saturday night and Rory has a
Speaker 3: bunch of friends, most of whom I dated ten to
Speaker 3: twelve years ago, right, and I often see them and
Speaker 3: it's just Luca's friends with them, and it's great.
Speaker 2: Yeah one of them.
Speaker 1: Do they compare notes?
Speaker 3: No, But every now and then we make a joke
Speaker 3: and everyone just feels around it like a swappy seconds joke. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway,
Speaker 3: one of the people who was there I haven't spoken
Speaker 3: to properly been let's say twelve years, and my experience
Speaker 3: with him made it very much into my book. Something
Speaker 3: bad is going to happen. There are scenes based on
Speaker 3: experiences I had with him. Now I'm now married in
Speaker 3: nearly my mid thirties, I don't spend a lot of
Speaker 3: time thinking about him, but there are certain stories that
Speaker 3: you tell yourself about how something went down and what
Speaker 3: it means about you. Anyway, we sit down and have
Speaker 3: a few cocktails and we start talking and he just
Speaker 3: told me exactly what was going on for him at
Speaker 3: the time, why he did certain things, why he treated
Speaker 3: me certain ways, And I just got to sit there
Speaker 3: and go, So, why didn't you call yeah that work?
Speaker 3: Did you behave like that the next day?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Because I remember that you said this to so and
Speaker 3: so and that just.
Speaker 1: Like oh wow, like it was a documentary.
Speaker 3: It was like a documentary, and it was like Jesse
Speaker 3: from twelve years ago. I was getting this clarification and
Speaker 3: I walked away going that wasn't about me at all.
Speaker 2: It is around the world's biggest lesson, isn't it.
Speaker 3: That you walk around thinking it meant something about you
Speaker 3: and what was wrong with you or whatever? It's always
Speaker 3: about And it wasn't like they're always going through shit.
Speaker 3: Were speaking earlier this week about bullying and how you
Speaker 3: can tell your kids as much as you like that
Speaker 3: it's about the bully and not them, but it's very
Speaker 3: hard to get them to understand that. But that's what
Speaker 3: this reminded me of. And I just felt really light
Speaker 3: to just go. You thought that there was something wrong
Speaker 3: with you and there wasn't, like and that's the story
Speaker 3: of all of them anyway. It was just such an
Speaker 3: interesting conversation.
Speaker 2: That was did you in the process of this.
Speaker 3: Like on I had Gastro so he wasn't there.
Speaker 2: I have two more questions. Had he read your book?
Speaker 3: No, I don't think he has. He knows how candid
Speaker 3: it is.
Speaker 2: And was he defensive or was he just like, no,
Speaker 2: this is it? Or was he like were you blah blah?
Speaker 2: Or it wasn't like that.
Speaker 3: Well, he remembered certain things that I didn't about, like
Speaker 3: remember I did this, and remember we did this that day,
Speaker 3: And I was like, oh, I hadn't remembered that, but
Speaker 3: it's just funny how we tell stories. And like I
Speaker 3: was thinking that night, I was like, there are about
Speaker 3: three people in my life I'd love to just sit
Speaker 3: down and have that hour long conversation where you just
Speaker 3: even though it's like I don't want to be your girlfriend,
Speaker 3: and without emotion, without emotions forensically baggage.
Speaker 2: What a movie High Fidelity, Yes, where he goes back
Speaker 2: to all his exes and he like lays it all
Speaker 2: out there and most of the time they're just like,
Speaker 2: what are you talking about? Yeah, yeah, fainting?
Speaker 3: Cool?
Speaker 1: The great book High Fidelity?
Speaker 3: It is maya what was your worst?
Speaker 1: My worst? And it's so funny. I write this down
Speaker 1: before or I even knew what we were going to
Speaker 1: talk about on the main show today. But my worst
Speaker 1: is a realization that I just don't know how to rest.
Speaker 3: You've just realized that, No, I guess.
Speaker 2: What about seven types of rest, babe? Because you know
Speaker 2: that you can't rest and do nothing, but like arranging
Speaker 2: your wardrobe is rest?
Speaker 1: What is there's always I don't know how much of
Speaker 1: this is about my personality, how much of it is
Speaker 1: about being a business owner, But I just always feel
Speaker 1: like I'm I have to be doing something. I have
Speaker 1: to be working. I have to be working. I have
Speaker 1: to be working, and if I'm not working, I'm failing.
Speaker 1: And if I'm not working, I'm letting people down. And
Speaker 1: if I'm not working, maybe I'm not worthy interesting. And
Speaker 1: I always going to be productive.
Speaker 3: Because you own the business. It's like you always have
Speaker 3: to be working twice as hard as everyone else.
Speaker 1: Ye like an and there's always work to do. It's
Speaker 1: not like, oh, boundaries, I'm clocking off. It's like, well,
Speaker 1: it's an endless pit of things that I could do. Yes,
Speaker 1: I've been on this treadmill for so many years that
Speaker 1: I just don't know what it feels like to not.
Speaker 3: Can you give yourself some time off over Christmas?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm usually really good at Christmas. Actually it takes
Speaker 1: me a little while, Like I need to find something
Speaker 1: to hurl myself into, usually books, like I need to
Speaker 1: just hurl and binge read. Yeah, I can't go from
Speaker 1: sort of fourth gear to neutral. I have to sort
Speaker 1: of come down slowly through the gears to rest. And
Speaker 1: usually my off ramp is binge reading books all right,
Speaker 1: And then I usually have to say I've got a project,
Speaker 1: and then even if I don't get to that project,
Speaker 1: it gives me comfort to know that that project exists.
Speaker 1: That's some of the worst, Like it's not a worst worst,
Speaker 1: but it's just like something on my mind.
Speaker 2: Because you know how when you're a busy person, as
Speaker 2: you've discussed another layer few business owner, but I'm sure
Speaker 2: that we relate to this. There's always something that needs
Speaker 2: doing or could be done professionally. Yeah, like the idea
Speaker 2: of a blank page if there isn't anything on that
Speaker 2: list is very freeing or scary.
Speaker 1: Yes, And for me it's probably both. You're right, and
Speaker 1: I will always throw too many things on my list
Speaker 1: and then feel overwhelmed and get angry and then throw
Speaker 1: more things, like it's almost easier to have ten things
Speaker 1: to do than one. Best confronting my best, though, has
Speaker 1: been on my best and worst. Last week, my worst
Speaker 1: was that I was very angsty about realizing that Luna
Speaker 1: called both of her grandmother's nana and that I'd made
Speaker 1: peace with Ben called Nana, but I didn't know how
Speaker 1: I felt about sharing the name Nana with her other nana.
Speaker 1: And the best part of this is that the out
Speaker 1: louders and their stories in the Facebook group have been
Speaker 1: so funny, and people have DMed me as well, and
Speaker 1: everyone telling about what they used to call their two
Speaker 1: grandmothers or grandfathers, and a lot of them are realizing that, oh,
Speaker 1: you know what, hey, it's probably actually some of the
Speaker 1: things we used to call them. Maybe that was not
Speaker 1: quite right. Like one of them was like bones Nana
Speaker 1: and big Nana, yeah, because one was skinny and one
Speaker 1: was less skinny.
Speaker 3: My favorite is moon Nana because she lived.
Speaker 1: On a farm, Moon Nana and Moo Grandpa versus regular
Speaker 1: Nana and Grandpa because I lived on farm. So I'm like,
Speaker 1: maybe I'll be moon Nanah. I quite like being moon Nana,
Speaker 1: I said to Ann. I texted her and said, you're
Speaker 1: gonna laugh when you listen to the show on Friday.
Speaker 1: But I don't know what she thinks.
Speaker 3: She did actually listen to the show, and she sent
Speaker 3: us a little message, Oh, go to play to you.
Speaker 3: Let's this is what she said.
Speaker 8: We need to have this out. No need for a petition,
Speaker 8: no need for a therapy session. You will from now
Speaker 8: on be called five because that's what you are. On
Speaker 8: the leaderboard. I will be called nan if that's okay.
Speaker 8: With you. I believe there's been some discussion behind my
Speaker 8: back as to what I shall be called. But my
Speaker 8: mum was Nan, so Jess called my mum Nan, so
Speaker 8: I'm more than happy for Luna to call me Nan.
Speaker 8: Kids will make up their own names, as we know.
Speaker 8: But let's put this to rest right here and now
Speaker 8: I will be called Nan and stop with the cutting
Speaker 8: of the photos. I love that album seriously though. If
Speaker 8: you want to be called Nana, you can be called Nana.
Speaker 8: I've got another little girl called Matilda who calls me Nana.
Speaker 8: So there, I was sort of flat.
Speaker 1: I love Stevens. So was it the cutting of the
Speaker 1: first Yeah? So the reference to Nan is that Luna
Speaker 1: has this album with all the pictures of a family
Speaker 1: in it. And I said last week that I was
Speaker 1: every time Luna came to my house, I was strapped
Speaker 1: here in a high chair and she wasn't that anything
Speaker 1: to eat or drink until she would point it photo
Speaker 1: of Anne Stevens, and I would say Nan, and until
Speaker 1: she said Nan.
Speaker 3: Toy photos of mom from the album.
Speaker 1: And I love I can be Nana five because I'm
Speaker 1: five down on the leaderboard. It's set settled. It's like
Speaker 1: West Side story. We need to dance off.
Speaker 3: You've got like.
Speaker 2: The best mother and mother in law's colbo. I just
Speaker 2: can't cry. My first of the week has something to
Speaker 2: do with the out louders too, because a little controversial.
Speaker 2: We had a little conversation on Monday about when you
Speaker 2: should put up your Christmas decorations right, and I made
Speaker 2: maybe a slightly judge, I don't know statement about I.
Speaker 3: Thought you came across as a bitch, but that was
Speaker 3: just me.
Speaker 1: You did say it wasn't class.
Speaker 2: I did, well, I didn't mean it like that. I
Speaker 2: meant that's how I was brought up to see it.
Speaker 2: We've all got our baggage from out and you know
Speaker 2: what English people are like, we're very, very classes asmired
Speaker 2: in the class system, and so there's no question that
Speaker 2: in England it is seen as class. Either way. It
Speaker 2: doesn't mean it is, but anyway the thing is is,
Speaker 2: I was like, why is everybody getting so cut about
Speaker 2: all this judgment? And then I listened to one of
Speaker 2: my favorite podcasts, which we've discussed on this show before,
Speaker 2: which as Marina Hyde as one of the hosts, and
Speaker 2: she and her the other host, Richard Osmond, were talking
Speaker 2: about how you arrange your books in your bookshelf right,
Speaker 2: and she was saying one of the things she wants
Speaker 2: to do over the Christmas is rearrange her books. And
Speaker 2: she's got this system and I think it's alphabetical and blah.
Speaker 2: And Richard Osmond said, oh, I always arrange my books
Speaker 2: according to size, and Marina Hyde said that he was
Speaker 2: a psychopath for doing that. She was so horrified, and
Speaker 2: I was like, but I arranged my books according to size,
Speaker 2: And now I understand someone I respect has made me
Speaker 2: sound like I am taki and I am I have
Speaker 2: I am a Psychopaths of the way arrange my books
Speaker 2: are now related to the Christmas thing.
Speaker 1: But how do you your size? Do you remember in
Speaker 1: lockdown when we're looking for things to do, and if
Speaker 1: you weren't making a sado starter, you were arranging your
Speaker 1: books by rainbow? Yes, but that's bad.
Speaker 2: No rainbow. And some people, because of esthetics, have started
Speaker 2: arranging their books like pages out so that it all
Speaker 2: looks like the natural colors, so you couldn't find anything,
Speaker 2: you know, like books are not for that. Like obviously
Speaker 2: I find books esthetically pleasing, so I love a house
Speaker 2: with books. And if I go into a house and
Speaker 2: they're in no books. I think there's something strange going on.
Speaker 1: I don't have many books. I know you're a psych
Speaker 1: I'm more of a psychopath because I just give my mind.
Speaker 2: I love books as decoration. So that's why I do
Speaker 2: in size, I guess because otherwise you have like a
Speaker 2: big coffee table book next to a little skinny novelette.
Speaker 2: Like that's disgusting, doesn't make sense. But Marina Hyde thinks that,
Speaker 2: I'm do you.
Speaker 3: Want to retract anything you said about the Christmas decoration? Three?
Speaker 2: You just want to make it clear that you know,
Speaker 2: we all carry the scars from our childhood. I can't
Speaker 2: help it. And now my weird English rules about Christmas
Speaker 2: have been passed on to my Ossie family and it's
Speaker 2: just part of the film. Now there's my best though,
Speaker 2: is a hack. You know I'm no good at hacks, right,
Speaker 2: I'm no good at hacks. But we've got one in
Speaker 2: a house going on at the moment. So the way
Speaker 2: my week usually works because I lived to our south
Speaker 2: of Sydney. Monday morning, early early, I drive up to Sydney.
Speaker 2: I very often stay in Sydney then till Wednesday, which
Speaker 2: means that my beloved Brent, the elderly boyfriend carries a
Speaker 2: heavy load of parenting early in the on the Monday
Speaker 2: and the Tuesday and Monday Tuesday night nights Wednesday. Often
Speaker 2: I don't get home till after dinner. And it's a lot,
Speaker 2: you know what. Kids at that age you like, you've
Speaker 2: got to drive into sport, You've got to do this
Speaker 2: and that. You've got to feed them. You got to
Speaker 2: feed them a lot too much too. And my kids
Speaker 2: aren't very good at looking after themselves in that way.
Speaker 2: So we've got one of those food delivery things, which
Speaker 2: I'm not going to tell you the name because it's
Speaker 2: not a Recco or a sponsored read, but we all
Speaker 2: know the ones.
Speaker 3: You're free.
Speaker 2: You get the box delivered to your house. It's got
Speaker 2: stuff in it. You make a meal, it's got a
Speaker 2: recipe and all the ingredients are waited out and they're
Speaker 2: all there for you. And so we've started to get
Speaker 2: that just for Monday, Tuesday Wednesday. So one night's Billy,
Speaker 2: one night's Matilda, one night's Brent. They're making it.
Speaker 3: Oh wow.
Speaker 2: So it means a they're eating more interesting things because otherwise,
Speaker 2: like poor Brent's just running off his feet and he's like,
Speaker 2: here pastor, which is nothing wrong with that. We a
Speaker 2: lot of pastor our house.
Speaker 1: Is it classy?
Speaker 2: Don't know if he's classy. But now they're eating more
Speaker 2: interesting things, and the kids are cooking because it's kind
Speaker 2: of fun because you've got the recipes there or the
Speaker 2: ingredients are there. They're learning something. So that has changed
Speaker 2: our lives recently. And that's my best of the week.
Speaker 2: Is that Now when I call up on a Tuesday
Speaker 2: and I at work and I'm like, what's for dinner
Speaker 2: tonight and he's like, well, Billy's making chicken nitzel sandwiches
Speaker 2: or whatever, It's like that alleviated my guilt, made their
Speaker 2: week more interesting. Up skills kids win, win, Win Hack.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so good.
Speaker 2: That is all we have time for this week. A
Speaker 2: massive thank you to all of you for being here.
Speaker 2: Mia read us out.
Speaker 1: A big thank you to our team who are anything
Speaker 1: but boring. Executive producer Ruth Divine, who yearns, pines and
Speaker 1: begs for boredom to strike, but boredom is yet to appear.
Speaker 1: Senior producer Emmeline Gazillas is rarely bored. She can't go anywhere,
Speaker 1: including the grocery store, without being plugged in listening to
Speaker 1: a podcast. Our audio producer is Leah Porges. She never
Speaker 1: allows herself to be bored, even when she is home
Speaker 1: in the evening and should be relaxing. She is looking
Speaker 1: at three screenses to my heart.
Speaker 2: There is a common theme.
Speaker 1: And our social media producer, Isabella Dolphin, is never bored
Speaker 1: because she loves to read and.
Speaker 2: Page our video.
Speaker 1: The producer, Josh Green, finds himself really bored as he
Speaker 1: is constantly daydreaming and there is always a fantasy story
Speaker 1: playing in his head. It's not nice.
Speaker 3: Bye, no out louders. Before we say bye, we thought
Speaker 3: we would leave you with a little bit of a
Speaker 3: conversation we had on a subscriber episode yesterday. We helped
Speaker 3: an out louder whose dilemma was all about her sex
Speaker 3: free marriage. Why was it sex free? You might ask, Well,
Speaker 3: you're going.
Speaker 1: To have to listen sex less or sex free.
Speaker 3: I'll decide a link to that episode will be in
Speaker 3: the show notes.
Speaker 2: Shout out to any Mamma Mia subscribers listening. If you
Speaker 2: love the show and you want to support us, Subscribing
Speaker 2: to Mamma Mia is the very best way to do it.
Speaker 2: There's a link in the episode description.