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Speaker 2: and I'm Jesse stevens An on today's show. There has

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Speaker 2: never been more to distract us, but we're more bored

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Speaker 2: than ever before. What's that about? Also recommendations including some

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Speaker 2: this weekend. Also a formal apology from me MEA's new

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Speaker 2: Nana name, and Jesse's Saturday Night encounter It's best and

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Speaker 2: Worst of the week, But first.

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Speaker 1: In case you missed it, there is a scientific reason

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Speaker 1: that women get the ick. Prey, prey, don't what Morgan?

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Speaker 3: Okay, fine, fine, I have the ech I know.

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Speaker 1: Are you happy?

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Speaker 4: I can't believe I ever let him touch me with

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Speaker 1: Oh the eck. You know it always seems to find

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Speaker 1: a way. If you're not familiar with the ick, you're

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Speaker 1: very fortunate. It's a modern slang term that has been

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Speaker 1: used to describe that sudden feeling of disgust or repulsion

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Speaker 1: said or or ye. But scientists are claiming that it's

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Speaker 1: actually an evolutionary survival tactic. It's your body trying to

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Speaker 1: protect you. Because female prime who.

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Speaker 2: Wear songs, well, yes, female.

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Speaker 1: Primates are more easily disgusted than their male counterparts by food, potential, mates,

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Speaker 1: and even neighbors. That's because women have evolved to be

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Speaker 1: our sensitivity to the ick. Also, in terms of a

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Speaker 3: Also, I think that it's because of pregnancy and child

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Speaker 1: And you know this if you've ever been in a

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Speaker 3: This week I came across some really interesting research on boredom.

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Speaker 1: So the infinite scroll is about I'm looking for a

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Speaker 1: Actually that you get more bored in your bubble.

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Speaker 3: Bubbles are bored. Yeah, bubbles are incredibly boring. So this

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Speaker 5: The last time I was really bored is when I

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Speaker 5: The last time I was really bored is when I

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Speaker 6: So I can't recall the last time I was bored

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Speaker 5: The last time I was bored was on my very

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Speaker 1: In all seriousness, when your brain doesn't make enough dopamine,

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Speaker 1: and you know that's one of the symptoms of neurodiversity.

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Speaker 1: For me, boredom is actually uncomfortable. I can't explain it.

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Speaker 3: And this is the thing, right, Boredom is, as a

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm bored all the time. That's the thing. I'm

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Speaker 3: It's like, no matter what I do, I can't get

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Speaker 1: Bored with other people on anything.

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Speaker 2: How about you, Holly, I was thinking when you first

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Speaker 3: Because to attainment is not the same as fulfillment. It's

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Speaker 3: God, there's this focus on stimulation and education. I listened

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Speaker 2: got treat for you, because apparently there is a song

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Speaker 2: that has been scientifically declared the most relaxing song of

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Speaker 2: all time, guaranteed apparently to alleviate stress and ease anxiety.

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Speaker 2: And we're going to play you a little bit of it.

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Speaker 1: We haven't heard it, Yeah, we haven't.

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Speaker 2: See if we feel.

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Speaker 3: I feel a little on edge. I could do with

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Speaker 3: something to do compress me.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Okay. This song is called Weightless and it's by Marconi

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Speaker 2: Union Take it away, m.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's doing it for me.

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Speaker 2: I like that.

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Speaker 1: I like that too.

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Speaker 3: I like the slow heartbeat.

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Speaker 2: It's making me worried. When does the heartbeat stop?

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Speaker 1: That's so interesting, So Jesse and I feel instantly relaxed.

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Speaker 1: Holly and producer m are incredibly uptight. They really have

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Speaker 1: the opposite effect.

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Speaker 2: It makes me worried.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I really liked that. I felt like I was

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Speaker 3: in a float tank.

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Speaker 5: Same.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I usually I thought i'd hate it.

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Speaker 3: What are you feeling, Holly? You don't like the heartbeat

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Speaker 3: like I like it.

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Speaker 2: But the thing is is that I'm always anticipating, and

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Speaker 2: I find this if I try and listen to those

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Speaker 2: like relaxation things is I'm always anticipating for what's going

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Speaker 2: to happen and when's it going to stop, and what's

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Speaker 2: going to so like that heartbeats lovely, but I'm like,

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Speaker 2: oh no, is the heart going to stop? And then

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Speaker 2: what's gonna like? It makes me worried? What does that

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Speaker 2: say about me? I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I really like it.

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Speaker 2: Out Louders In a moment, we're going to be back

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Speaker 2: with our recommendations for your weekend. But first, here's a

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Speaker 2: little break.

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Speaker 1: Out loud. It's Friday, so it's time to set up

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Speaker 1: your weekend with our recommendations for things to watch. See

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Speaker 1: by eight listen to Holly speaking of boring, Yes, I

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Speaker 1: am seeing how boring your recommendation does seem to be,

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Speaker 1: but trying to sell.

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Speaker 2: Us it's a trigger. When you tell me my recommendations boring,

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Speaker 2: you know it's a trigger. So I'm recommending a podcast

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Speaker 2: that I started listening to because the hosts of it

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Speaker 2: stuck into my dms because they are funny and as

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Speaker 2: out Louders know, and I know it is boring to

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Speaker 2: many people, but I love gardening. I've got a hobby.

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Speaker 2: I like growing veggies. Anyway, I've never listened to any

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Speaker 2: gardening podcasts because I imagine they would be boring, even

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Speaker 2: though I like it. But the other week I posted

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Speaker 2: something about making a cocktail on a Friday night and

486
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Speaker 2: my compost bin was in the background, and these women

487
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Speaker 2: stuck into my DMS and said, oh, if only there

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Speaker 2: was a show about drinking cocktails and gardening. There is,

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Speaker 2: and it's called the Avante Gardener's Podcast, right, and it's

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Speaker 2: hosted by these two women from Tasmania, Emily and Madeline Goals.

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Speaker 2: They live on land and they really into gardening, and

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Speaker 2: they also drink cocktails. So at the beginning of every

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Speaker 2: show they tell you what they're drinking, and then not always,

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Speaker 2: sometimes they're mocktails, you know, responsible service of our cohoal

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Speaker 2: On our podcasts, they tell you what they're drinking, and

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Speaker 2: then they have a conversation about gardening, and then they

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Speaker 2: have a guest and it is so fun.

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Speaker 7: So you gave me some of your scabiosa plants, and

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Speaker 7: you've tried again. You've thankfully given me in a nigella

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Speaker 7: love in the midst and I'm pretty sure I've worked

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Speaker 7: out that the issue where I was planting a lot

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Speaker 7: of these plants that you were giving me, including colendula.

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Speaker 7: I think we've got a rabbit problem. I think that's

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Speaker 7: my issue, is that the rabbits are getting to that spot.

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Speaker 7: So I have made it a bit of a mission

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Speaker 7: now too. I'm starting to fill all the spaces between

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Speaker 7: our fruit.

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Speaker 2: Trees and I absolutely love it. And I learned things

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Speaker 2: in the very first episode and it's changed my beyond

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Speaker 2: gardening and taught me new drinks to make. So my

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Speaker 2: recommendation for anyone who likes a cocktail and a little

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Speaker 2: potter in the garden.

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Speaker 3: Is you get something out of it if you just

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Speaker 3: have a few plants.

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Speaker 2: Look, I think you probably have to be into gardening

516
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Speaker 2: to a point. They are funny and interesting and it's

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Speaker 2: not heavy heavy on the information. But then they get

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Speaker 2: someone on and they talk about gardening things but in

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Speaker 2: a lighthearted way, and I learned stuff. It made me laugh.

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Speaker 2: And also because I listened to lots of Newsy Newsy

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Speaker 2: podcasts for our work, you know, like in prepping for

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Speaker 2: what we do and stuff, I'm often listening to all

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Speaker 2: kinds of American and British and Australian news podcasts. Sometimes

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Speaker 2: you want that something gentle and that's something that I'm

525
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Speaker 2: often looking for in my feed is something that's just

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Speaker 2: like nice, and that is what this has filled for

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Speaker 2: me at the moment. And they've got a funny Instagram account.

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Speaker 2: They are called The Avant Gardener's Podcast Emily and Madeline.

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Speaker 1: They go, I picked a flower one time.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to go because I want to you too.

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Speaker 3: Did you watch season one of Bad Sisters?

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Speaker 1: I did. I didn't finish it.

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Speaker 3: Oh, okay, Bad Sisters.

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Speaker 1: I don't know why because I love Sharon Horgan.

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Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, making me in that show has gone

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Speaker 3: down as one of my favorites ever Sharon Horgan. The

537
00:26:17,967 --> 00:26:21,727
Speaker 3: premise is that there are four sisters, five sisters, and

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Speaker 3: one of their husband's, Grace's husband dies and that's not

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Speaker 3: a spoiler. That happens very early and you wonder who

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Speaker 3: did it, and then you realize that all of them

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Speaker 3: wanted him dead, and it's just a question of who

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Speaker 3: got to him first. And it's a black comedy. In

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Speaker 3: terms of scriptwriting a plot, it is just so so clever.

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Speaker 3: It's got this great one lineers. It has Bono's daughter

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Speaker 3: who's in.

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Speaker 2: As the couple forgotten her name.

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Speaker 3: Yes, perhaps, Yes, yes, that sounds right. Anyway, have been

548
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Speaker 3: waiting for Bad Sisters Season two for a million years

549
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Speaker 3: and it has just dropped. It is on Apple TV.

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Speaker 1: After everything that happened, things are finally looking up.

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Speaker 2: Did everyone think about what we did? Like, girls, my husband,

552
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Speaker 2: we are holding involved in this.

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Speaker 8: We covered up a murder.

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Speaker 5: The world's better off with Actually even the.

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Speaker 8: Pool say that.

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Speaker 3: Full disclosure. I've only been able to watch the first episode,

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Speaker 3: but exactly the same. It's like that warmth and just

558
00:27:21,527 --> 00:27:24,807
Speaker 3: laugh out loud lines that you think you can't say.

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Speaker 1: That because it's Irish.

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Speaker 3: It's Irish. It's like it's so subversive, it's so surprising,

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Speaker 3: and yes it starts with a dead body like the

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Speaker 3: other one, but the whole thing's just a joke. So

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Speaker 3: it is this warmth, there's a warmth to it.

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Speaker 1: And it's never a dead body of someone who's very nice.

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Speaker 3: No, exactly, do you.

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Speaker 1: Have to have watched season one to watch season two

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Speaker 1: or just you know what, I'm going to go back

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Speaker 1: and watch season one again because why wouldn't you may

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Speaker 1: as well get the full treatment.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, but you know what, you could just

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Speaker 3: pick up at season two. Yeah, because I tried to

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Speaker 3: get Luca to watch it with me, because I was like,

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Speaker 3: I just really really would have been into this, but

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Speaker 3: it's just funny. It's so good. Bad Sisted season two.

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Speaker 3: It is on Apple Plus.

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Speaker 1: My recommendation is a new podcast that Mum and Me

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Speaker 1: launched this week. It's called Diary of Birth. We've been

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Speaker 1: working on this for a while now. Who doesn't love

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Speaker 1: a birth story. I love a birth story, even though

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Speaker 1: I haven't given birth for a long time. We wanted

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Speaker 1: to find a way for women to tell the stories

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Speaker 1: of their births. We've got fascinating, very different types of births.

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Speaker 1: This week is friend of the podcast Michelle Battersby, who

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Speaker 1: runs a company called Sunroom, and she is very big

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Speaker 1: on social media, and a lot of people were sort

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Speaker 1: of vicariously living through her pregnancy and how it was

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Speaker 1: her birth going to go, and she very openly was

588
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Speaker 1: saying on social that she wasn't going to learn anything

589
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Speaker 1: about giving it, like I'm not going to do any research.

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Speaker 2: Is the opposite approach to Jesse Steve Yes.

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Speaker 1: But she wasn't being a dick about it.

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Speaker 3: She was just very, very relaxed, and she was.

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Speaker 1: Busy at work and she was just like look, the

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Speaker 1: baby's got to come out. You know, I don't actually

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Speaker 1: feel the need to go and do all this research

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Speaker 1: best laid plans or best laid lack of plans. So

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Speaker 1: she tells her story.

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Speaker 9: Just constantly, his heart rate dropping, and a lot of

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Speaker 9: people would rush into the room and I would have

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Speaker 9: to move positions, and they were trying to work out

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Speaker 9: why he wasn't comfortable. So again it was just this

602
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Speaker 9: constant game of how far can we push this baby

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Speaker 9: without him really becoming distressed. And so after about thirty

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Speaker 9: hours of that whole game, and having had a nepy

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Speaker 9: durl and are being stuck at five centimeters for ten hours,

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Speaker 9: I just asked, can I please have a C section?

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Speaker 3: I just need this to end.

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Speaker 1: We've got other amazing stories coming up, like a woman

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Speaker 1: who gave birth to quads. Oh Corta by the side

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Speaker 1: of the road. Great stories, So we will put a

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Speaker 1: link in the show notes or just look up Diary

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Speaker 1: of a Birth wherever you get your pods.

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Speaker 3: After the break, our best and worst of the week.

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Speaker 3: And if you think we've moved past me A's grandma angsty,

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Speaker 3: you are wrong. Every Tuesday and Thursday we drop new

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Speaker 3: segments of mummya out Loud just for MUMMYA subscriber, follow

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Speaker 3: the link in the show notes to get your daily

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Speaker 3: dose of out Loud and a big thank you to

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Speaker 3: all our current subscribers.

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Speaker 1: Best and Worst of the week, where we have a

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Speaker 1: little glimpse into our personal lives and still stay away

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Speaker 1: from the news cycle. Jesse, what's been the worst of

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Speaker 1: your week?

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Speaker 3: My worst is gastro.

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Speaker 1: Us lots about that.

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Speaker 3: The rest of the country I believe has had gastro

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Speaker 3: Everyone I've spoken to has said I have also had

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Speaker 3: that in the last week or two.

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Speaker 1: Got any picks?

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Speaker 3: It was bad? It was really bad. No, not have

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Speaker 3: any picks. My tell is I wake up and I go, oh,

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Speaker 3: I don't for like a coffee And that's when I

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Speaker 3: know that things have become very bad, very very noseul

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Speaker 3: of that.

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Speaker 1: And did everyone say are you pregnant?

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Speaker 3: I know no one said that? Actually did you said

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Speaker 3: it behind my back? Good girl? But you're growing as

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Speaker 3: a person. What was really hard was trying to parent, because.

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Speaker 1: Second is the it was being hungover in parenting.

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Speaker 3: It was meant to be my day with Lunar and

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Speaker 3: we had a toll day planned with all our fun

642
00:31:26,727 --> 00:31:30,207
Speaker 3: activities and it was just not a fun momday. Funny

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00:31:30,487 --> 00:31:33,007
Speaker 3: speak of boredom. This is a time for your creativity

644
00:31:33,047 --> 00:31:35,847
Speaker 3: and imagination to flourishes because mummy can't stand up. And

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00:31:35,887 --> 00:31:38,887
Speaker 3: she was just like, this is a terrible day. So

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Speaker 3: did she get it? Did No, she didn't get sick,

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00:31:41,727 --> 00:31:43,887
Speaker 3: which was amazing, but she had no sure it was

648
00:31:44,487 --> 00:31:46,727
Speaker 3: or do you think you just ate another dodgy chicken

649
00:31:46,767 --> 00:31:50,647
Speaker 3: sandwich because you have been known a few days later

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Speaker 3: and it's been gone around the office and you can

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Speaker 3: just go, yeah, it's not good.

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Speaker 2: It was prostro there's nothing worse now it was.

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Speaker 3: It was bad, my best I haven't told you guys

654
00:32:02,487 --> 00:32:02,847
Speaker 3: about this.

655
00:32:02,967 --> 00:32:03,247
Speaker 2: Okay.

656
00:32:03,327 --> 00:32:06,447
Speaker 3: So on Sunday night, it was Claire's husband's birthday, so

657
00:32:06,487 --> 00:32:09,767
Speaker 3: we all went out our drinks out out. Oh yeah, yeah,

658
00:32:09,887 --> 00:32:12,927
Speaker 3: on the town on town. Luna was with Grandma. It

659
00:32:12,967 --> 00:32:16,247
Speaker 3: was great anyway, So Saturday night and Rory has a

660
00:32:16,247 --> 00:32:19,127
Speaker 3: bunch of friends, most of whom I dated ten to

661
00:32:19,127 --> 00:32:22,247
Speaker 3: twelve years ago, right, and I often see them and

662
00:32:22,287 --> 00:32:24,247
Speaker 3: it's just Luca's friends with them, and it's great.

663
00:32:24,407 --> 00:32:25,247
Speaker 2: Yeah one of them.

664
00:32:25,287 --> 00:32:26,167
Speaker 1: Do they compare notes?

665
00:32:26,447 --> 00:32:27,967
Speaker 3: No, But every now and then we make a joke

666
00:32:27,967 --> 00:32:31,727
Speaker 3: and everyone just feels around it like a swappy seconds joke. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway,

667
00:32:31,887 --> 00:32:34,087
Speaker 3: one of the people who was there I haven't spoken

668
00:32:34,127 --> 00:32:38,207
Speaker 3: to properly been let's say twelve years, and my experience

669
00:32:38,207 --> 00:32:40,567
Speaker 3: with him made it very much into my book. Something

670
00:32:40,647 --> 00:32:43,087
Speaker 3: bad is going to happen. There are scenes based on

671
00:32:43,167 --> 00:32:46,487
Speaker 3: experiences I had with him. Now I'm now married in

672
00:32:46,807 --> 00:32:49,047
Speaker 3: nearly my mid thirties, I don't spend a lot of

673
00:32:49,047 --> 00:32:52,167
Speaker 3: time thinking about him, but there are certain stories that

674
00:32:52,247 --> 00:32:55,447
Speaker 3: you tell yourself about how something went down and what

675
00:32:55,487 --> 00:32:59,687
Speaker 3: it means about you. Anyway, we sit down and have

676
00:32:59,727 --> 00:33:02,847
Speaker 3: a few cocktails and we start talking and he just

677
00:33:02,887 --> 00:33:05,607
Speaker 3: told me exactly what was going on for him at

678
00:33:05,607 --> 00:33:09,047
Speaker 3: the time, why he did certain things, why he treated

679
00:33:09,047 --> 00:33:12,127
Speaker 3: me certain ways, And I just got to sit there

680
00:33:12,167 --> 00:33:15,807
Speaker 3: and go, So, why didn't you call yeah that work?

681
00:33:16,007 --> 00:33:17,967
Speaker 3: Did you behave like that the next day?

682
00:33:18,207 --> 00:33:18,407
Speaker 4: Yeah?

683
00:33:18,407 --> 00:33:20,767
Speaker 3: Because I remember that you said this to so and

684
00:33:20,847 --> 00:33:21,567
Speaker 3: so and that just.

685
00:33:21,767 --> 00:33:24,287
Speaker 1: Like oh wow, like it was a documentary.

686
00:33:24,287 --> 00:33:27,327
Speaker 3: It was like a documentary, and it was like Jesse

687
00:33:27,407 --> 00:33:30,327
Speaker 3: from twelve years ago. I was getting this clarification and

688
00:33:30,367 --> 00:33:33,087
Speaker 3: I walked away going that wasn't about me at all.

689
00:33:33,887 --> 00:33:37,927
Speaker 2: It is around the world's biggest lesson, isn't it.

690
00:33:37,887 --> 00:33:40,407
Speaker 3: That you walk around thinking it meant something about you

691
00:33:40,807 --> 00:33:44,167
Speaker 3: and what was wrong with you or whatever? It's always

692
00:33:44,167 --> 00:33:46,767
Speaker 3: about And it wasn't like they're always going through shit.

693
00:33:46,767 --> 00:33:49,407
Speaker 3: Were speaking earlier this week about bullying and how you

694
00:33:49,447 --> 00:33:51,287
Speaker 3: can tell your kids as much as you like that

695
00:33:51,327 --> 00:33:53,527
Speaker 3: it's about the bully and not them, but it's very

696
00:33:53,527 --> 00:33:55,367
Speaker 3: hard to get them to understand that. But that's what

697
00:33:55,407 --> 00:33:57,527
Speaker 3: this reminded me of. And I just felt really light

698
00:33:57,847 --> 00:34:00,567
Speaker 3: to just go. You thought that there was something wrong

699
00:34:00,607 --> 00:34:02,727
Speaker 3: with you and there wasn't, like and that's the story

700
00:34:02,727 --> 00:34:04,287
Speaker 3: of all of them anyway. It was just such an

701
00:34:04,327 --> 00:34:05,807
Speaker 3: interesting conversation.

702
00:34:05,367 --> 00:34:08,327
Speaker 2: That was did you in the process of this.

703
00:34:08,567 --> 00:34:10,487
Speaker 3: Like on I had Gastro so he wasn't there.

704
00:34:11,167 --> 00:34:14,487
Speaker 2: I have two more questions. Had he read your book?

705
00:34:14,927 --> 00:34:18,087
Speaker 3: No, I don't think he has. He knows how candid

706
00:34:18,087 --> 00:34:18,367
Speaker 3: it is.

707
00:34:18,847 --> 00:34:22,367
Speaker 2: And was he defensive or was he just like, no,

708
00:34:22,527 --> 00:34:24,887
Speaker 2: this is it? Or was he like were you blah blah?

709
00:34:25,007 --> 00:34:25,927
Speaker 2: Or it wasn't like that.

710
00:34:25,967 --> 00:34:28,647
Speaker 3: Well, he remembered certain things that I didn't about, like

711
00:34:28,767 --> 00:34:31,247
Speaker 3: remember I did this, and remember we did this that day,

712
00:34:31,247 --> 00:34:32,927
Speaker 3: And I was like, oh, I hadn't remembered that, but

713
00:34:32,967 --> 00:34:36,327
Speaker 3: it's just funny how we tell stories. And like I

714
00:34:36,367 --> 00:34:37,807
Speaker 3: was thinking that night, I was like, there are about

715
00:34:37,807 --> 00:34:39,607
Speaker 3: three people in my life I'd love to just sit

716
00:34:39,687 --> 00:34:42,047
Speaker 3: down and have that hour long conversation where you just

717
00:34:42,327 --> 00:34:44,607
Speaker 3: even though it's like I don't want to be your girlfriend,

718
00:34:44,607 --> 00:34:49,287
Speaker 3: and without emotion, without emotions forensically baggage.

719
00:34:49,367 --> 00:34:52,687
Speaker 2: What a movie High Fidelity, Yes, where he goes back

720
00:34:52,727 --> 00:34:55,527
Speaker 2: to all his exes and he like lays it all

721
00:34:55,527 --> 00:34:57,567
Speaker 2: out there and most of the time they're just like,

722
00:34:57,647 --> 00:35:01,487
Speaker 2: what are you talking about? Yeah, yeah, fainting?

723
00:35:01,687 --> 00:35:01,887
Speaker 3: Cool?

724
00:35:02,047 --> 00:35:03,447
Speaker 1: The great book High Fidelity?

725
00:35:03,567 --> 00:35:05,447
Speaker 3: It is maya what was your worst?

726
00:35:05,807 --> 00:35:08,727
Speaker 1: My worst? And it's so funny. I write this down

727
00:35:08,967 --> 00:35:10,567
Speaker 1: before or I even knew what we were going to

728
00:35:10,607 --> 00:35:13,327
Speaker 1: talk about on the main show today. But my worst

729
00:35:13,567 --> 00:35:16,327
Speaker 1: is a realization that I just don't know how to rest.

730
00:35:16,567 --> 00:35:19,047
Speaker 3: You've just realized that, No, I guess.

731
00:35:18,727 --> 00:35:21,527
Speaker 2: What about seven types of rest, babe? Because you know

732
00:35:21,607 --> 00:35:25,247
Speaker 2: that you can't rest and do nothing, but like arranging

733
00:35:25,287 --> 00:35:26,327
Speaker 2: your wardrobe is rest?

734
00:35:26,887 --> 00:35:29,287
Speaker 1: What is there's always I don't know how much of

735
00:35:29,327 --> 00:35:31,607
Speaker 1: this is about my personality, how much of it is

736
00:35:31,647 --> 00:35:36,327
Speaker 1: about being a business owner, But I just always feel

737
00:35:36,847 --> 00:35:39,527
Speaker 1: like I'm I have to be doing something. I have

738
00:35:39,567 --> 00:35:41,167
Speaker 1: to be working. I have to be working. I have

739
00:35:41,167 --> 00:35:43,967
Speaker 1: to be working, and if I'm not working, I'm failing.

740
00:35:44,007 --> 00:35:47,367
Speaker 1: And if I'm not working, I'm letting people down. And

741
00:35:47,367 --> 00:35:52,407
Speaker 1: if I'm not working, maybe I'm not worthy interesting. And

742
00:35:52,447 --> 00:35:54,527
Speaker 1: I always going to be productive.

743
00:35:54,007 --> 00:35:56,007
Speaker 3: Because you own the business. It's like you always have

744
00:35:56,047 --> 00:35:57,687
Speaker 3: to be working twice as hard as everyone else.

745
00:35:57,727 --> 00:36:00,647
Speaker 1: Ye like an and there's always work to do. It's

746
00:36:00,727 --> 00:36:03,047
Speaker 1: not like, oh, boundaries, I'm clocking off. It's like, well,

747
00:36:03,087 --> 00:36:06,487
Speaker 1: it's an endless pit of things that I could do. Yes,

748
00:36:06,887 --> 00:36:09,127
Speaker 1: I've been on this treadmill for so many years that

749
00:36:09,367 --> 00:36:12,807
Speaker 1: I just don't know what it feels like to not.

750
00:36:13,087 --> 00:36:15,887
Speaker 3: Can you give yourself some time off over Christmas?

751
00:36:16,167 --> 00:36:18,487
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm usually really good at Christmas. Actually it takes

752
00:36:18,527 --> 00:36:20,407
Speaker 1: me a little while, Like I need to find something

753
00:36:20,447 --> 00:36:23,647
Speaker 1: to hurl myself into, usually books, like I need to

754
00:36:23,727 --> 00:36:27,167
Speaker 1: just hurl and binge read. Yeah, I can't go from

755
00:36:27,207 --> 00:36:30,887
Speaker 1: sort of fourth gear to neutral. I have to sort

756
00:36:30,927 --> 00:36:35,527
Speaker 1: of come down slowly through the gears to rest. And

757
00:36:35,647 --> 00:36:40,047
Speaker 1: usually my off ramp is binge reading books all right,

758
00:36:40,087 --> 00:36:41,847
Speaker 1: And then I usually have to say I've got a project,

759
00:36:41,887 --> 00:36:43,847
Speaker 1: and then even if I don't get to that project,

760
00:36:44,407 --> 00:36:46,807
Speaker 1: it gives me comfort to know that that project exists.

761
00:36:47,887 --> 00:36:50,647
Speaker 1: That's some of the worst, Like it's not a worst worst,

762
00:36:50,727 --> 00:36:52,727
Speaker 1: but it's just like something on my mind.

763
00:36:52,967 --> 00:36:55,767
Speaker 2: Because you know how when you're a busy person, as

764
00:36:55,807 --> 00:36:58,527
Speaker 2: you've discussed another layer few business owner, but I'm sure

765
00:36:58,567 --> 00:37:01,607
Speaker 2: that we relate to this. There's always something that needs

766
00:37:01,647 --> 00:37:04,967
Speaker 2: doing or could be done professionally. Yeah, like the idea

767
00:37:05,007 --> 00:37:07,127
Speaker 2: of a blank page if there isn't anything on that

768
00:37:07,247 --> 00:37:10,447
Speaker 2: list is very freeing or scary.

769
00:37:10,687 --> 00:37:13,207
Speaker 1: Yes, And for me it's probably both. You're right, and

770
00:37:13,247 --> 00:37:16,007
Speaker 1: I will always throw too many things on my list

771
00:37:16,167 --> 00:37:19,727
Speaker 1: and then feel overwhelmed and get angry and then throw

772
00:37:19,767 --> 00:37:23,007
Speaker 1: more things, like it's almost easier to have ten things

773
00:37:23,007 --> 00:37:26,407
Speaker 1: to do than one. Best confronting my best, though, has

774
00:37:26,487 --> 00:37:28,847
Speaker 1: been on my best and worst. Last week, my worst

775
00:37:28,927 --> 00:37:32,607
Speaker 1: was that I was very angsty about realizing that Luna

776
00:37:32,647 --> 00:37:35,767
Speaker 1: called both of her grandmother's nana and that I'd made

777
00:37:35,767 --> 00:37:37,527
Speaker 1: peace with Ben called Nana, but I didn't know how

778
00:37:37,527 --> 00:37:40,927
Speaker 1: I felt about sharing the name Nana with her other nana.

779
00:37:41,807 --> 00:37:44,687
Speaker 1: And the best part of this is that the out

780
00:37:44,727 --> 00:37:48,767
Speaker 1: louders and their stories in the Facebook group have been

781
00:37:48,927 --> 00:37:51,887
Speaker 1: so funny, and people have DMed me as well, and

782
00:37:52,047 --> 00:37:55,487
Speaker 1: everyone telling about what they used to call their two

783
00:37:55,647 --> 00:37:58,927
Speaker 1: grandmothers or grandfathers, and a lot of them are realizing that, oh,

784
00:37:59,047 --> 00:38:01,167
Speaker 1: you know what, hey, it's probably actually some of the

785
00:38:01,167 --> 00:38:02,687
Speaker 1: things we used to call them. Maybe that was not

786
00:38:02,767 --> 00:38:06,047
Speaker 1: quite right. Like one of them was like bones Nana

787
00:38:07,087 --> 00:38:10,247
Speaker 1: and big Nana, yeah, because one was skinny and one

788
00:38:10,327 --> 00:38:11,087
Speaker 1: was less skinny.

789
00:38:11,287 --> 00:38:13,807
Speaker 3: My favorite is moon Nana because she lived.

790
00:38:13,607 --> 00:38:17,767
Speaker 1: On a farm, Moon Nana and Moo Grandpa versus regular

791
00:38:17,847 --> 00:38:20,047
Speaker 1: Nana and Grandpa because I lived on farm. So I'm like,

792
00:38:20,447 --> 00:38:23,807
Speaker 1: maybe I'll be moon Nanah. I quite like being moon Nana,

793
00:38:24,087 --> 00:38:25,647
Speaker 1: I said to Ann. I texted her and said, you're

794
00:38:25,647 --> 00:38:27,607
Speaker 1: gonna laugh when you listen to the show on Friday.

795
00:38:28,247 --> 00:38:29,607
Speaker 1: But I don't know what she thinks.

796
00:38:29,687 --> 00:38:32,047
Speaker 3: She did actually listen to the show, and she sent

797
00:38:32,167 --> 00:38:34,567
Speaker 3: us a little message, Oh, go to play to you.

798
00:38:34,727 --> 00:38:36,367
Speaker 3: Let's this is what she said.

799
00:38:36,567 --> 00:38:39,407
Speaker 8: We need to have this out. No need for a petition,

800
00:38:40,207 --> 00:38:43,887
Speaker 8: no need for a therapy session. You will from now

801
00:38:43,927 --> 00:38:46,327
Speaker 8: on be called five because that's what you are. On

802
00:38:46,367 --> 00:38:51,047
Speaker 8: the leaderboard. I will be called nan if that's okay.

803
00:38:51,087 --> 00:38:54,607
Speaker 8: With you. I believe there's been some discussion behind my

804
00:38:54,687 --> 00:38:57,967
Speaker 8: back as to what I shall be called. But my

805
00:38:58,087 --> 00:39:01,927
Speaker 8: mum was Nan, so Jess called my mum Nan, so

806
00:39:02,127 --> 00:39:05,247
Speaker 8: I'm more than happy for Luna to call me Nan.

807
00:39:06,127 --> 00:39:08,727
Speaker 8: Kids will make up their own names, as we know.

808
00:39:09,287 --> 00:39:11,487
Speaker 8: But let's put this to rest right here and now

809
00:39:12,367 --> 00:39:16,047
Speaker 8: I will be called Nan and stop with the cutting

810
00:39:16,527 --> 00:39:20,487
Speaker 8: of the photos. I love that album seriously though. If

811
00:39:20,527 --> 00:39:22,967
Speaker 8: you want to be called Nana, you can be called Nana.

812
00:39:23,407 --> 00:39:27,727
Speaker 8: I've got another little girl called Matilda who calls me Nana.

813
00:39:27,887 --> 00:39:30,527
Speaker 8: So there, I was sort of flat.

814
00:39:30,967 --> 00:39:35,087
Speaker 1: I love Stevens. So was it the cutting of the

815
00:39:35,127 --> 00:39:38,047
Speaker 1: first Yeah? So the reference to Nan is that Luna

816
00:39:38,047 --> 00:39:39,687
Speaker 1: has this album with all the pictures of a family

817
00:39:39,727 --> 00:39:41,807
Speaker 1: in it. And I said last week that I was

818
00:39:41,847 --> 00:39:43,847
Speaker 1: every time Luna came to my house, I was strapped

819
00:39:43,847 --> 00:39:45,887
Speaker 1: here in a high chair and she wasn't that anything

820
00:39:45,927 --> 00:39:48,207
Speaker 1: to eat or drink until she would point it photo

821
00:39:48,567 --> 00:39:51,727
Speaker 1: of Anne Stevens, and I would say Nan, and until

822
00:39:51,767 --> 00:39:52,487
Speaker 1: she said Nan.

823
00:39:53,487 --> 00:39:55,927
Speaker 3: Toy photos of mom from the album.

824
00:39:55,927 --> 00:39:57,887
Speaker 1: And I love I can be Nana five because I'm

825
00:39:57,967 --> 00:40:01,567
Speaker 1: five down on the leaderboard. It's set settled. It's like

826
00:40:01,647 --> 00:40:03,807
Speaker 1: West Side story. We need to dance off.

827
00:40:04,327 --> 00:40:05,007
Speaker 3: You've got like.

828
00:40:05,047 --> 00:40:08,047
Speaker 2: The best mother and mother in law's colbo. I just

829
00:40:08,087 --> 00:40:10,927
Speaker 2: can't cry. My first of the week has something to

830
00:40:10,967 --> 00:40:14,127
Speaker 2: do with the out louders too, because a little controversial.

831
00:40:14,207 --> 00:40:16,967
Speaker 2: We had a little conversation on Monday about when you

832
00:40:16,967 --> 00:40:20,767
Speaker 2: should put up your Christmas decorations right, and I made

833
00:40:20,927 --> 00:40:24,287
Speaker 2: maybe a slightly judge, I don't know statement about I.

834
00:40:24,567 --> 00:40:26,327
Speaker 3: Thought you came across as a bitch, but that was

835
00:40:26,407 --> 00:40:26,767
Speaker 3: just me.

836
00:40:27,207 --> 00:40:29,087
Speaker 1: You did say it wasn't class.

837
00:40:29,287 --> 00:40:31,447
Speaker 2: I did, well, I didn't mean it like that. I

838
00:40:31,487 --> 00:40:33,407
Speaker 2: meant that's how I was brought up to see it.

839
00:40:33,447 --> 00:40:35,607
Speaker 2: We've all got our baggage from out and you know

840
00:40:35,647 --> 00:40:39,847
Speaker 2: what English people are like, we're very, very classes asmired

841
00:40:39,927 --> 00:40:42,967
Speaker 2: in the class system, and so there's no question that

842
00:40:43,007 --> 00:40:45,367
Speaker 2: in England it is seen as class. Either way. It

843
00:40:45,407 --> 00:40:48,567
Speaker 2: doesn't mean it is, but anyway the thing is is,

844
00:40:48,927 --> 00:40:51,127
Speaker 2: I was like, why is everybody getting so cut about

845
00:40:51,127 --> 00:40:54,127
Speaker 2: all this judgment? And then I listened to one of

846
00:40:54,167 --> 00:40:56,647
Speaker 2: my favorite podcasts, which we've discussed on this show before,

847
00:40:56,647 --> 00:40:59,087
Speaker 2: which as Marina Hyde as one of the hosts, and

848
00:40:59,207 --> 00:41:01,967
Speaker 2: she and her the other host, Richard Osmond, were talking

849
00:41:02,047 --> 00:41:05,247
Speaker 2: about how you arrange your books in your bookshelf right,

850
00:41:05,927 --> 00:41:08,247
Speaker 2: and she was saying one of the things she wants

851
00:41:08,287 --> 00:41:10,327
Speaker 2: to do over the Christmas is rearrange her books. And

852
00:41:10,367 --> 00:41:12,887
Speaker 2: she's got this system and I think it's alphabetical and blah.

853
00:41:12,967 --> 00:41:15,847
Speaker 2: And Richard Osmond said, oh, I always arrange my books

854
00:41:15,887 --> 00:41:20,687
Speaker 2: according to size, and Marina Hyde said that he was

855
00:41:20,767 --> 00:41:24,847
Speaker 2: a psychopath for doing that. She was so horrified, and

856
00:41:24,967 --> 00:41:28,567
Speaker 2: I was like, but I arranged my books according to size,

857
00:41:29,327 --> 00:41:33,087
Speaker 2: And now I understand someone I respect has made me

858
00:41:33,367 --> 00:41:35,967
Speaker 2: sound like I am taki and I am I have

859
00:41:36,327 --> 00:41:38,047
Speaker 2: I am a Psychopaths of the way arrange my books

860
00:41:38,047 --> 00:41:39,327
Speaker 2: are now related to the Christmas thing.

861
00:41:39,407 --> 00:41:41,887
Speaker 1: But how do you your size? Do you remember in

862
00:41:41,927 --> 00:41:44,767
Speaker 1: lockdown when we're looking for things to do, and if

863
00:41:44,807 --> 00:41:47,047
Speaker 1: you weren't making a sado starter, you were arranging your

864
00:41:47,047 --> 00:41:50,407
Speaker 1: books by rainbow? Yes, but that's bad.

865
00:41:50,327 --> 00:41:54,807
Speaker 2: No rainbow. And some people, because of esthetics, have started

866
00:41:54,887 --> 00:41:58,327
Speaker 2: arranging their books like pages out so that it all

867
00:41:58,367 --> 00:42:01,447
Speaker 2: looks like the natural colors, so you couldn't find anything,

868
00:42:01,567 --> 00:42:04,287
Speaker 2: you know, like books are not for that. Like obviously

869
00:42:04,367 --> 00:42:07,607
Speaker 2: I find books esthetically pleasing, so I love a house

870
00:42:07,607 --> 00:42:08,887
Speaker 2: with books. And if I go into a house and

871
00:42:08,887 --> 00:42:11,327
Speaker 2: they're in no books. I think there's something strange going on.

872
00:42:11,367 --> 00:42:13,087
Speaker 1: I don't have many books. I know you're a psych

873
00:42:13,247 --> 00:42:15,007
Speaker 1: I'm more of a psychopath because I just give my mind.

874
00:42:15,127 --> 00:42:18,567
Speaker 2: I love books as decoration. So that's why I do

875
00:42:18,847 --> 00:42:21,167
Speaker 2: in size, I guess because otherwise you have like a

876
00:42:21,207 --> 00:42:24,767
Speaker 2: big coffee table book next to a little skinny novelette.

877
00:42:24,927 --> 00:42:28,527
Speaker 2: Like that's disgusting, doesn't make sense. But Marina Hyde thinks that,

878
00:42:28,647 --> 00:42:29,487
Speaker 2: I'm do you.

879
00:42:29,807 --> 00:42:32,327
Speaker 3: Want to retract anything you said about the Christmas decoration? Three?

880
00:42:32,367 --> 00:42:34,567
Speaker 2: You just want to make it clear that you know,

881
00:42:34,727 --> 00:42:37,327
Speaker 2: we all carry the scars from our childhood. I can't

882
00:42:37,327 --> 00:42:42,207
Speaker 2: help it. And now my weird English rules about Christmas

883
00:42:42,247 --> 00:42:44,687
Speaker 2: have been passed on to my Ossie family and it's

884
00:42:44,807 --> 00:42:47,487
Speaker 2: just part of the film. Now there's my best though,

885
00:42:47,647 --> 00:42:49,407
Speaker 2: is a hack. You know I'm no good at hacks, right,

886
00:42:49,447 --> 00:42:51,247
Speaker 2: I'm no good at hacks. But we've got one in

887
00:42:51,287 --> 00:42:53,287
Speaker 2: a house going on at the moment. So the way

888
00:42:53,327 --> 00:42:55,527
Speaker 2: my week usually works because I lived to our south

889
00:42:55,527 --> 00:42:58,407
Speaker 2: of Sydney. Monday morning, early early, I drive up to Sydney.

890
00:42:58,487 --> 00:43:01,567
Speaker 2: I very often stay in Sydney then till Wednesday, which

891
00:43:01,607 --> 00:43:05,407
Speaker 2: means that my beloved Brent, the elderly boyfriend carries a

892
00:43:05,447 --> 00:43:07,487
Speaker 2: heavy load of parenting early in the on the Monday

893
00:43:07,487 --> 00:43:10,207
Speaker 2: and the Tuesday and Monday Tuesday night nights Wednesday. Often

894
00:43:10,287 --> 00:43:13,167
Speaker 2: I don't get home till after dinner. And it's a lot,

895
00:43:13,247 --> 00:43:14,847
Speaker 2: you know what. Kids at that age you like, you've

896
00:43:14,847 --> 00:43:16,367
Speaker 2: got to drive into sport, You've got to do this

897
00:43:16,407 --> 00:43:17,527
Speaker 2: and that. You've got to feed them. You got to

898
00:43:17,567 --> 00:43:21,207
Speaker 2: feed them a lot too much too. And my kids

899
00:43:21,247 --> 00:43:23,167
Speaker 2: aren't very good at looking after themselves in that way.

900
00:43:23,287 --> 00:43:26,247
Speaker 2: So we've got one of those food delivery things, which

901
00:43:26,287 --> 00:43:27,727
Speaker 2: I'm not going to tell you the name because it's

902
00:43:27,727 --> 00:43:30,247
Speaker 2: not a Recco or a sponsored read, but we all

903
00:43:30,247 --> 00:43:30,687
Speaker 2: know the ones.

904
00:43:30,727 --> 00:43:32,007
Speaker 3: You're free.

905
00:43:32,327 --> 00:43:34,167
Speaker 2: You get the box delivered to your house. It's got

906
00:43:34,207 --> 00:43:35,887
Speaker 2: stuff in it. You make a meal, it's got a

907
00:43:35,887 --> 00:43:38,127
Speaker 2: recipe and all the ingredients are waited out and they're

908
00:43:38,127 --> 00:43:40,767
Speaker 2: all there for you. And so we've started to get

909
00:43:40,767 --> 00:43:43,847
Speaker 2: that just for Monday, Tuesday Wednesday. So one night's Billy,

910
00:43:43,887 --> 00:43:46,327
Speaker 2: one night's Matilda, one night's Brent. They're making it.

911
00:43:47,367 --> 00:43:48,047
Speaker 3: Oh wow.

912
00:43:48,087 --> 00:43:51,967
Speaker 2: So it means a they're eating more interesting things because otherwise,

913
00:43:52,047 --> 00:43:54,207
Speaker 2: like poor Brent's just running off his feet and he's like,

914
00:43:54,287 --> 00:43:56,367
Speaker 2: here pastor, which is nothing wrong with that. We a

915
00:43:56,447 --> 00:43:57,287
Speaker 2: lot of pastor our house.

916
00:43:57,407 --> 00:43:58,047
Speaker 1: Is it classy?

917
00:43:59,087 --> 00:44:01,967
Speaker 2: Don't know if he's classy. But now they're eating more

918
00:44:01,967 --> 00:44:04,367
Speaker 2: interesting things, and the kids are cooking because it's kind

919
00:44:04,367 --> 00:44:06,327
Speaker 2: of fun because you've got the recipes there or the

920
00:44:06,447 --> 00:44:09,927
Speaker 2: ingredients are there. They're learning something. So that has changed

921
00:44:10,047 --> 00:44:12,647
Speaker 2: our lives recently. And that's my best of the week.

922
00:44:12,687 --> 00:44:14,247
Speaker 2: Is that Now when I call up on a Tuesday

923
00:44:14,287 --> 00:44:16,567
Speaker 2: and I at work and I'm like, what's for dinner

924
00:44:16,607 --> 00:44:19,487
Speaker 2: tonight and he's like, well, Billy's making chicken nitzel sandwiches

925
00:44:19,567 --> 00:44:23,847
Speaker 2: or whatever, It's like that alleviated my guilt, made their

926
00:44:23,847 --> 00:44:26,887
Speaker 2: week more interesting. Up skills kids win, win, Win Hack.

927
00:44:27,207 --> 00:44:27,887
Speaker 3: Yeah, so good.

928
00:44:28,887 --> 00:44:30,447
Speaker 2: That is all we have time for this week. A

929
00:44:30,527 --> 00:44:33,047
Speaker 2: massive thank you to all of you for being here.

930
00:44:33,447 --> 00:44:34,407
Speaker 2: Mia read us out.

931
00:44:34,567 --> 00:44:36,407
Speaker 1: A big thank you to our team who are anything

932
00:44:36,407 --> 00:44:39,807
Speaker 1: but boring. Executive producer Ruth Divine, who yearns, pines and

933
00:44:39,847 --> 00:44:43,327
Speaker 1: begs for boredom to strike, but boredom is yet to appear.

934
00:44:43,647 --> 00:44:47,607
Speaker 1: Senior producer Emmeline Gazillas is rarely bored. She can't go anywhere,

935
00:44:47,607 --> 00:44:51,127
Speaker 1: including the grocery store, without being plugged in listening to

936
00:44:51,167 --> 00:44:54,447
Speaker 1: a podcast. Our audio producer is Leah Porges. She never

937
00:44:54,487 --> 00:44:56,687
Speaker 1: allows herself to be bored, even when she is home

938
00:44:56,727 --> 00:44:59,447
Speaker 1: in the evening and should be relaxing. She is looking

939
00:44:59,487 --> 00:45:01,447
Speaker 1: at three screenses to my heart.

940
00:45:01,567 --> 00:45:02,687
Speaker 2: There is a common theme.

941
00:45:03,327 --> 00:45:06,847
Speaker 1: And our social media producer, Isabella Dolphin, is never bored

942
00:45:06,847 --> 00:45:08,047
Speaker 1: because she loves to read and.

943
00:45:08,007 --> 00:45:09,207
Speaker 2: Page our video.

944
00:45:09,247 --> 00:45:11,927
Speaker 1: The producer, Josh Green, finds himself really bored as he

945
00:45:12,007 --> 00:45:15,287
Speaker 1: is constantly daydreaming and there is always a fantasy story

946
00:45:15,447 --> 00:45:18,127
Speaker 1: playing in his head. It's not nice.

947
00:45:18,367 --> 00:45:21,807
Speaker 3: Bye, no out louders. Before we say bye, we thought

948
00:45:21,847 --> 00:45:23,607
Speaker 3: we would leave you with a little bit of a

949
00:45:23,647 --> 00:45:27,807
Speaker 3: conversation we had on a subscriber episode yesterday. We helped

950
00:45:27,807 --> 00:45:31,247
Speaker 3: an out louder whose dilemma was all about her sex

951
00:45:31,407 --> 00:45:35,087
Speaker 3: free marriage. Why was it sex free? You might ask, Well,

952
00:45:35,127 --> 00:45:35,487
Speaker 3: you're going.

953
00:45:35,447 --> 00:45:37,607
Speaker 1: To have to listen sex less or sex free.

954
00:45:37,887 --> 00:45:40,407
Speaker 3: I'll decide a link to that episode will be in

955
00:45:40,447 --> 00:45:41,167
Speaker 3: the show notes.

956
00:45:41,527 --> 00:45:44,407
Speaker 2: Shout out to any Mamma Mia subscribers listening. If you

957
00:45:44,567 --> 00:45:47,447
Speaker 2: love the show and you want to support us, Subscribing

958
00:45:47,447 --> 00:45:49,887
Speaker 2: to Mamma Mia is the very best way to do it.

959
00:45:50,087 --> 00:45:51,967
Speaker 2: There's a link in the episode description.