1 00:00:11,104 --> 00:00:11,384 Speaker 1: So much. 2 00:00:11,424 --> 00:00:14,104 Speaker 2: You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. 3 00:00:14,784 --> 00:00:18,664 Speaker 1: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders 4 00:00:18,704 --> 00:00:26,584 Speaker 1: that this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome 5 00:00:26,624 --> 00:00:29,624 Speaker 1: to the Spill your daily pop culture Fixed. I'm Laura 6 00:00:29,664 --> 00:00:31,824 Speaker 1: Brodnick and today I'm joined by Hi Am. 7 00:00:31,864 --> 00:00:34,504 Speaker 2: Cassemuel Lukid, and I'm filling in for them again. 8 00:00:34,984 --> 00:00:36,544 Speaker 1: I love we have guests on the show now. I've 9 00:00:36,584 --> 00:00:38,904 Speaker 1: just like handballed doing your own introduction. I'm like, you 10 00:00:38,944 --> 00:00:40,664 Speaker 1: say your name, say who you are. But I feel 11 00:00:40,664 --> 00:00:42,144 Speaker 1: like it gives it. You know, you know what I can. 12 00:00:42,224 --> 00:00:43,024 Speaker 2: I can manage it. 13 00:00:43,224 --> 00:00:46,104 Speaker 1: I got this. Well, you're here for a very exciting day. 14 00:00:46,344 --> 00:00:48,184 Speaker 1: But cleavage is going to come up. That's a topic 15 00:00:48,224 --> 00:00:51,184 Speaker 1: we're doing yeah along with Yeah, Yeah exactly, So stay 16 00:00:51,184 --> 00:00:54,224 Speaker 1: tuned for that guy is breaking news and also a 17 00:00:54,384 --> 00:00:58,064 Speaker 1: very scandalous and heartbreaking story that's unfolding in Hollywood right 18 00:00:58,104 --> 00:01:00,224 Speaker 1: now to do with a well known actress and a 19 00:01:00,304 --> 00:01:03,664 Speaker 1: custody disputant, some legal issues, and of course Taylor Swift 20 00:01:03,664 --> 00:01:05,384 Speaker 1: has been pulled into the whole thing. So we're going 21 00:01:05,464 --> 00:01:08,624 Speaker 1: to talk about why those headlines are everywhere. But first, 22 00:01:08,824 --> 00:01:11,024 Speaker 1: some fun movie news because the world has felt a 23 00:01:11,064 --> 00:01:14,024 Speaker 1: bit bleak lately, even in celebrity news. Usually like our 24 00:01:14,064 --> 00:01:16,744 Speaker 1: Little go to to have some escapism, but a lot 25 00:01:16,784 --> 00:01:19,464 Speaker 1: of the headlines have been very bleak. So I went 26 00:01:19,504 --> 00:01:20,664 Speaker 1: looking for some happy news. 27 00:01:20,704 --> 00:01:24,024 Speaker 2: Yeah, hence the butt clovy Yeah exactly, like lighten up 28 00:01:24,064 --> 00:01:25,104 Speaker 2: our lives a little bit. 29 00:01:25,224 --> 00:01:28,784 Speaker 1: Exactly. This can be all escaped from your real world problems. 30 00:01:29,144 --> 00:01:31,744 Speaker 1: So another piece of escapism is that in the last 31 00:01:31,744 --> 00:01:34,064 Speaker 1: couple of days, the very first trailer for the new 32 00:01:34,104 --> 00:01:38,264 Speaker 1: film Materialists was released. Now, why this was exciting is 33 00:01:38,304 --> 00:01:41,664 Speaker 1: that it's a new rongcom starring Dakota Johnson, Chris Evans, 34 00:01:41,984 --> 00:01:45,544 Speaker 1: and Pedro Pascal, and it's looking like it might be 35 00:01:45,584 --> 00:01:51,144 Speaker 1: a new and modern classic. Hey are you single? I'm 36 00:01:51,144 --> 00:01:53,024 Speaker 1: a matchmaker. Give me a call if you want to 37 00:01:53,064 --> 00:01:53,624 Speaker 1: meet somebody. 38 00:01:54,664 --> 00:01:57,664 Speaker 2: I deserve someone who fulfills all of my criteria. 39 00:01:57,264 --> 00:01:58,184 Speaker 1: Nothing over twenty PM. 40 00:01:58,504 --> 00:02:00,104 Speaker 2: I don't want someone who likes cats. 41 00:02:00,264 --> 00:02:01,624 Speaker 1: I'm trying to settle. 42 00:02:01,824 --> 00:02:04,504 Speaker 2: I promise you're going to marry the love of your life. 43 00:02:04,824 --> 00:02:06,824 Speaker 1: Do you want to drink sure coping deer? 44 00:02:07,144 --> 00:02:09,304 Speaker 2: Hey by too? 45 00:02:09,664 --> 00:02:12,184 Speaker 1: Definitely didn next spoken about it to you missed? 46 00:02:12,944 --> 00:02:17,904 Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't even remember my face the eternal Bachelora. 47 00:02:18,384 --> 00:02:19,584 Speaker 2: You can do better than me. 48 00:02:20,104 --> 00:02:23,584 Speaker 1: My instincts's usually right. 49 00:02:21,344 --> 00:02:28,104 Speaker 2: Now, Okay, wow, you know how to do the math, 50 00:02:28,224 --> 00:02:34,304 Speaker 2: don't you. You are what we call a uniquar, an 51 00:02:34,304 --> 00:02:39,064 Speaker 2: impossible fantasy. I absolutely love Pedro Pascal, Like he could 52 00:02:39,184 --> 00:02:40,784 Speaker 2: just like read the phone book to me and I'd 53 00:02:40,784 --> 00:02:43,784 Speaker 2: beat to it. Like he's got such a beautiful energy 54 00:02:43,824 --> 00:02:46,104 Speaker 2: and he's just seeing so great. It's almost like a 55 00:02:46,144 --> 00:02:47,424 Speaker 2: modern day Hitch. 56 00:02:47,744 --> 00:02:51,304 Speaker 1: Yeah. So Jakota Johnson's playing a matchmaker and she's very 57 00:02:51,384 --> 00:02:54,704 Speaker 1: much torn between Chris Evans' character, who is not good 58 00:02:54,744 --> 00:02:56,544 Speaker 1: on paper, like doesn't have a lot of money, doesn't 59 00:02:56,544 --> 00:03:00,064 Speaker 1: have his life together, lives with roommates, and then Pedro Pascal. 60 00:03:00,184 --> 00:03:02,064 Speaker 1: I feel like this is how most people imagine they 61 00:03:02,104 --> 00:03:05,584 Speaker 1: would be romanced by Pedro Pascal, That he's this very rich, 62 00:03:05,824 --> 00:03:08,344 Speaker 1: worldly guy who kind of sweep you of your feet, 63 00:03:08,384 --> 00:03:11,024 Speaker 1: but he's also really kind. It's like someone fan fiction 64 00:03:11,104 --> 00:03:11,584 Speaker 1: about him. 65 00:03:11,864 --> 00:03:14,104 Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is the thing, I mean, everybody, we're 66 00:03:14,144 --> 00:03:17,304 Speaker 2: all very into smut fiction as particularly women. Women want 67 00:03:17,384 --> 00:03:20,824 Speaker 2: to be female smut at the moment is about a 68 00:03:20,904 --> 00:03:22,744 Speaker 2: man being really, really attentive to them. 69 00:03:23,024 --> 00:03:25,504 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. It's such a rise in that. And I 70 00:03:25,544 --> 00:03:29,704 Speaker 1: also feel like sex and romance has really disappeared, especially 71 00:03:29,744 --> 00:03:32,264 Speaker 1: from movies like I mean, it bubbles up every soft 72 00:03:32,344 --> 00:03:34,224 Speaker 1: and that's why people lose their minds over like a 73 00:03:34,264 --> 00:03:36,704 Speaker 1: Baby Girl or something like that. But in terms of 74 00:03:36,744 --> 00:03:39,464 Speaker 1: like rom comms and romance movies, because they don't get 75 00:03:39,464 --> 00:03:43,264 Speaker 1: released on like big cinema releases anymore, we don't have them, 76 00:03:43,304 --> 00:03:45,544 Speaker 1: and I feel like that's why this movie, which on 77 00:03:45,664 --> 00:03:48,904 Speaker 1: paper shouldn't be that exciting, except that it's got three 78 00:03:49,064 --> 00:03:52,264 Speaker 1: leads that we're very invested in. It's directed by Selene's 79 00:03:52,264 --> 00:03:54,104 Speaker 1: song who did Past Lives, which is one of my 80 00:03:54,104 --> 00:03:56,144 Speaker 1: favorite movies from the last couple of years. So it's 81 00:03:56,144 --> 00:03:59,064 Speaker 1: really interesting to see someone who has that strong of 82 00:03:59,104 --> 00:04:02,024 Speaker 1: a knack for storytelling taking on this. But I think, 83 00:04:02,144 --> 00:04:05,104 Speaker 1: like we're just so desperate for a love story, you 84 00:04:05,104 --> 00:04:05,384 Speaker 1: know what. 85 00:04:05,464 --> 00:04:08,064 Speaker 2: I think it's also nice escapism. There's a lot of like, 86 00:04:08,584 --> 00:04:12,544 Speaker 2: you know, discourse around being like trashy and whatever, but 87 00:04:12,744 --> 00:04:16,024 Speaker 2: escapism is the way that we make ourselves feel a 88 00:04:16,064 --> 00:04:16,664 Speaker 2: little bit better. 89 00:04:16,864 --> 00:04:17,624 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. 90 00:04:17,744 --> 00:04:20,864 Speaker 2: You know, this is why these rom coms are so successful. 91 00:04:20,984 --> 00:04:24,264 Speaker 2: The other day, I was rewatching thirty Rock You oh yeah. Yeah. 92 00:04:24,464 --> 00:04:27,544 Speaker 2: In one of the episodes they do and channel, which 93 00:04:27,584 --> 00:04:31,984 Speaker 2: is basically it's female porn. I'm meeting inverted commas here, 94 00:04:32,144 --> 00:04:34,984 Speaker 2: and it's basically just a man being like, hey, you 95 00:04:35,024 --> 00:04:37,344 Speaker 2: look great today, how is your day? 96 00:04:37,864 --> 00:04:40,504 Speaker 1: And exactly what women want to hear, so simple, like. 97 00:04:40,584 --> 00:04:43,504 Speaker 2: That's what women want to hear, so like it's crazy 98 00:04:43,544 --> 00:04:46,544 Speaker 2: that that's kind of what women are just so desperate for. 99 00:04:46,744 --> 00:04:48,384 Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, look, I love it. I love 100 00:04:48,384 --> 00:04:50,544 Speaker 2: a rom com, I love an easy watch. We don't 101 00:04:50,584 --> 00:04:53,104 Speaker 2: all have to be going for oscars, right, Yeah. 102 00:04:53,144 --> 00:04:55,264 Speaker 1: But I think that's the interesting thing about this is 103 00:04:55,304 --> 00:04:56,824 Speaker 1: that a lot of the rom coms that have come 104 00:04:56,864 --> 00:04:59,544 Speaker 1: out the last couple of years have been those slightly trashier, 105 00:04:59,584 --> 00:05:02,024 Speaker 1: straight to streaming ones. Nothing against them. I think they 106 00:05:02,024 --> 00:05:03,384 Speaker 1: should make more of them so we have a fresh 107 00:05:03,424 --> 00:05:06,024 Speaker 1: one to watch every weekend. But this feels like that 108 00:05:06,064 --> 00:05:08,664 Speaker 1: return to like a highbrow rom com in the best 109 00:05:08,664 --> 00:05:10,624 Speaker 1: possible way, you know, like back in the day sense 110 00:05:10,624 --> 00:05:12,064 Speaker 1: of I want to say this, back in the day 111 00:05:12,064 --> 00:05:14,104 Speaker 1: when you had like a You've Got Mail or something 112 00:05:14,144 --> 00:05:15,744 Speaker 1: like that coming out, or even like How to Lose 113 00:05:15,784 --> 00:05:18,704 Speaker 1: a Guy in Ten Days or any movie with Adam 114 00:05:18,744 --> 00:05:21,184 Speaker 1: Sandler and Drew barrymore together. It's like they were rom 115 00:05:21,224 --> 00:05:23,064 Speaker 1: coms and the story was a bit silly, but they 116 00:05:23,104 --> 00:05:28,344 Speaker 1: had a list cast, a list directors, huge budget, best scriptwriters. 117 00:05:28,384 --> 00:05:30,384 Speaker 1: Like they threw everything at it like they would throw 118 00:05:30,464 --> 00:05:33,104 Speaker 1: at an Oscar movie. And I feel like that's almost 119 00:05:33,104 --> 00:05:35,944 Speaker 1: like a little bit what they've done here, Like Dakota Johnson, 120 00:05:36,104 --> 00:05:37,944 Speaker 1: Like obviously Madame Wad was a bit of a bomb, 121 00:05:38,024 --> 00:05:40,184 Speaker 1: but she's her career is bigger than that, like you know, 122 00:05:40,464 --> 00:05:43,904 Speaker 1: Aless leading Lady, Pedro Pascal, like you know, leading man 123 00:05:43,904 --> 00:05:47,104 Speaker 1: of the moment, Chris Evans coming in playing this role 124 00:05:47,184 --> 00:05:49,664 Speaker 1: off the back of playing Captain America for so many years. 125 00:05:49,864 --> 00:05:53,344 Speaker 1: Sleen Song directing who has is like critically acclaimed. It's 126 00:05:53,344 --> 00:05:55,264 Speaker 1: like they're throwing everything at it for it to be 127 00:05:55,344 --> 00:05:57,544 Speaker 1: that old school, highbrow rom com, which I love. 128 00:05:57,664 --> 00:05:59,984 Speaker 2: I'm really excited to see Pedro Pascal in this like 129 00:06:00,104 --> 00:06:00,824 Speaker 2: romantic comedy. 130 00:06:01,224 --> 00:06:01,544 Speaker 1: Yeah. 131 00:06:01,664 --> 00:06:04,104 Speaker 2: I feel like he's played a lot of really great characters, 132 00:06:04,224 --> 00:06:08,544 Speaker 2: but not a leading man rom com and I yeah, clearly, 133 00:06:09,024 --> 00:06:09,944 Speaker 2: And people. 134 00:06:09,824 --> 00:06:12,344 Speaker 1: Have never talked about his own relationships, so we don't 135 00:06:12,384 --> 00:06:14,184 Speaker 1: know anything about who he dates. He's like a man 136 00:06:14,224 --> 00:06:14,744 Speaker 1: of mystery. 137 00:06:14,824 --> 00:06:15,344 Speaker 2: I love it. 138 00:06:15,464 --> 00:06:17,704 Speaker 1: I love it so that one is coming to cinemas 139 00:06:17,864 --> 00:06:20,424 Speaker 1: June twelfth. Get excited. I'm excited for the return of 140 00:06:20,424 --> 00:06:22,024 Speaker 1: the high brow romcom. That's all I want. 141 00:06:22,224 --> 00:06:28,064 Speaker 2: Love it. Now, moving on to something even more exciting 142 00:06:28,424 --> 00:06:32,424 Speaker 2: and obviously very very important to talk about, it's the 143 00:06:32,464 --> 00:06:33,664 Speaker 2: return of butt cleavage. 144 00:06:33,664 --> 00:06:35,144 Speaker 1: Thank god. I've been waiting for it to come. 145 00:06:35,304 --> 00:06:37,944 Speaker 2: I know, it's like, you know, sitting there waiting for 146 00:06:38,504 --> 00:06:40,864 Speaker 2: the stocks to come up, and we've got butt cloage. 147 00:06:41,024 --> 00:06:43,584 Speaker 2: But look, this kind of drend has been floating around 148 00:06:43,584 --> 00:06:47,024 Speaker 2: for a while now, but it's kind of had another resurgence, 149 00:06:47,304 --> 00:06:50,864 Speaker 2: and particularly with Zoe Kravitz at the twenty twenty five 150 00:06:51,064 --> 00:06:54,104 Speaker 2: Fanity Fair Oscars party. Now, she was wearing this beautiful 151 00:06:54,104 --> 00:06:57,104 Speaker 2: black dress by a designer called Vassarello, and in the 152 00:06:57,184 --> 00:07:01,904 Speaker 2: back there was a sheer panel revealing her bottom and 153 00:07:01,944 --> 00:07:03,384 Speaker 2: it's a very nice bottom. 154 00:07:03,464 --> 00:07:06,304 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, as far as like buck cleavage goes, that's 155 00:07:06,344 --> 00:07:07,984 Speaker 1: you know, very highbrow. Ten out of ten. 156 00:07:08,264 --> 00:07:09,704 Speaker 2: Now it's funny because I feel like a lot of 157 00:07:09,704 --> 00:07:13,544 Speaker 2: people are like really shocked by this and like, oh 158 00:07:13,584 --> 00:07:15,504 Speaker 2: goodness me, you know, where's the modesty. But it's like 159 00:07:15,544 --> 00:07:18,824 Speaker 2: I feel like we've seen everything else, ya, so what 160 00:07:18,904 --> 00:07:21,424 Speaker 2: else can we do? But I feel like the way 161 00:07:21,424 --> 00:07:24,904 Speaker 2: that Zoe did it, it still was very taste. 162 00:07:24,584 --> 00:07:26,744 Speaker 1: For yes, because it had that sheer paneling and across 163 00:07:26,784 --> 00:07:28,824 Speaker 1: it that was so interesting out of all the Vanity 164 00:07:28,864 --> 00:07:31,704 Speaker 1: Fair dresses. And look, the Oscars dresses were nice this year, 165 00:07:31,744 --> 00:07:34,424 Speaker 1: but you know, everyone's wanting to be quite traditional and 166 00:07:34,504 --> 00:07:37,224 Speaker 1: quite respectful, and so all of the Oscar dresses for 167 00:07:37,264 --> 00:07:40,664 Speaker 1: the actual ceremony are not showing a lot of butck cleavage, 168 00:07:40,744 --> 00:07:43,304 Speaker 1: let's say, very kind of demure looking. And then at 169 00:07:43,344 --> 00:07:45,664 Speaker 1: the Vanity Fair party, that's where everyone who was pretty 170 00:07:45,744 --> 00:07:48,144 Speaker 1: much not invited to the Oscars can wear their full 171 00:07:48,184 --> 00:07:51,064 Speaker 1: party dresses. And especially this year was a sea of 172 00:07:51,304 --> 00:07:53,904 Speaker 1: very naked dresses, a lot of lace, a lot of 173 00:07:53,944 --> 00:07:56,384 Speaker 1: like sea through even like the underwear being see through, 174 00:07:56,824 --> 00:07:58,984 Speaker 1: even like Julia Fox with her breasts out with like 175 00:07:58,984 --> 00:08:01,024 Speaker 1: a little bit of fake hair covering it. And I 176 00:08:01,024 --> 00:08:03,544 Speaker 1: think there were so many naked dresses that they just 177 00:08:03,584 --> 00:08:06,544 Speaker 1: became a sea of sameness. So none of them except 178 00:08:06,584 --> 00:08:08,344 Speaker 1: for Julia Fox because I had the hair, but even 179 00:08:08,424 --> 00:08:10,064 Speaker 1: that people saw it were like, oh, yeah, that's not 180 00:08:10,064 --> 00:08:12,944 Speaker 1: really anything. And then Zoe Kravitz got all the headlines 181 00:08:13,424 --> 00:08:15,784 Speaker 1: just for a little peak of butt cleavage. Even though 182 00:08:15,784 --> 00:08:18,024 Speaker 1: she was more covered up than the other women, she 183 00:08:18,104 --> 00:08:20,344 Speaker 1: was still seen as more scandalous, which I thought was interesting. 184 00:08:20,384 --> 00:08:22,344 Speaker 2: And it's interesting and look, this isn't the first time 185 00:08:22,384 --> 00:08:24,664 Speaker 2: we've seen this in the red carpet met Gala. You know, 186 00:08:24,784 --> 00:08:27,744 Speaker 2: we've seen Bella had did in these like sheer pieces, 187 00:08:28,144 --> 00:08:30,904 Speaker 2: Katie Perry, Heidi Klum did it back in two thousand 188 00:08:30,944 --> 00:08:33,624 Speaker 2: and seven. Yea the Victoria's Secret Fashion show where she 189 00:08:33,664 --> 00:08:36,464 Speaker 2: had the super low back that kind of showed her bottom. 190 00:08:36,984 --> 00:08:38,944 Speaker 2: And like even you know, early two thousand it's like 191 00:08:38,984 --> 00:08:43,504 Speaker 2: we're both millennials. We remember the Betina Leano bumpster jean, 192 00:08:43,824 --> 00:08:46,824 Speaker 2: Like you had to shave to put those jeans on. 193 00:08:47,064 --> 00:08:51,264 Speaker 2: Like it was low, low, low. So it's not necessarily 194 00:08:51,664 --> 00:08:56,464 Speaker 2: a new trend, but it is interesting how fashion has 195 00:08:57,344 --> 00:09:01,024 Speaker 2: How can we push it. What's the next level of exposure? 196 00:09:01,504 --> 00:09:04,704 Speaker 2: You know, you've got your side boob, you've got a 197 00:09:04,704 --> 00:09:08,064 Speaker 2: thigh gap, you've got but you've got a shoulder blade 198 00:09:08,144 --> 00:09:12,504 Speaker 2: or whatever it is. It's really interesting how these fashion 199 00:09:12,584 --> 00:09:15,024 Speaker 2: trends are like just pushing a little bit further a 200 00:09:15,064 --> 00:09:17,024 Speaker 2: little bit further, like what can we get away with? 201 00:09:17,744 --> 00:09:19,784 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, it's so interesting. I thought we were going 202 00:09:19,824 --> 00:09:21,944 Speaker 1: to kind of boomerang back to more kind of covered 203 00:09:21,984 --> 00:09:24,184 Speaker 1: up dresses because we went too far with the naked dress. 204 00:09:24,384 --> 00:09:26,744 Speaker 1: But I think like that just doesn't get headlines for people. 205 00:09:26,784 --> 00:09:29,384 Speaker 1: And that's a lot about what your red carpet look 206 00:09:29,624 --> 00:09:31,984 Speaker 1: is about. Like a whole team of people is involved 207 00:09:31,984 --> 00:09:34,664 Speaker 1: in pulling your look together, and the way they measure 208 00:09:34,664 --> 00:09:37,104 Speaker 1: that success is by getting all those headlines and getting 209 00:09:37,144 --> 00:09:39,664 Speaker 1: your photo out there. So a covered up dress, even 210 00:09:39,664 --> 00:09:41,624 Speaker 1: though you would look very different, is not going to 211 00:09:41,664 --> 00:09:43,344 Speaker 1: do it. So I think like buck cleavage is the 212 00:09:43,344 --> 00:09:45,264 Speaker 1: next one to be pulled out. But it's I mean, 213 00:09:45,384 --> 00:09:47,584 Speaker 1: a fizoe. I think there was just something about the mesh, 214 00:09:47,624 --> 00:09:49,944 Speaker 1: and because it's her and she's won much more naked 215 00:09:50,024 --> 00:09:52,584 Speaker 1: dresses than that. That Joshi watered the Mtgullor a few 216 00:09:52,664 --> 00:09:55,544 Speaker 1: years ago, and it was all beads and crystals, completely 217 00:09:55,584 --> 00:09:58,184 Speaker 1: see through, and that was seen as the most iconic dress, 218 00:09:58,264 --> 00:10:00,264 Speaker 1: especially because those were the first photos of her and 219 00:10:00,344 --> 00:10:02,864 Speaker 1: chatting Tatum walking out hand in hand, So that became 220 00:10:02,904 --> 00:10:06,344 Speaker 1: a very iconic dress. But this one got headlines for 221 00:10:06,424 --> 00:10:08,624 Speaker 1: being more scandalous even though you're only seeing like a 222 00:10:08,704 --> 00:10:09,944 Speaker 1: bit of butt cleavage. 223 00:10:10,024 --> 00:10:12,184 Speaker 2: I think as well, who she is, she can really 224 00:10:12,224 --> 00:10:13,904 Speaker 2: pull it off because she's so cool. 225 00:10:13,944 --> 00:10:15,664 Speaker 1: You know what I mean, Like she's just got anything 226 00:10:15,784 --> 00:10:16,224 Speaker 1: she wears. 227 00:10:16,384 --> 00:10:18,904 Speaker 2: She has such a great vibe about her that that 228 00:10:19,104 --> 00:10:22,384 Speaker 2: it kind of transcends it being trashy. 229 00:10:22,904 --> 00:10:25,184 Speaker 1: Yeah, where someone really did it. 230 00:10:24,944 --> 00:10:27,384 Speaker 2: Quite I actually think it looks really tasteful. I know 231 00:10:27,424 --> 00:10:29,784 Speaker 2: that that's maybe a little bit controversial. 232 00:10:29,344 --> 00:10:31,224 Speaker 1: Now I thould look tasteful too. I wonder if because 233 00:10:31,264 --> 00:10:33,064 Speaker 1: it was the mesh across it, which just made it 234 00:10:33,104 --> 00:10:34,104 Speaker 1: that little bit more classic. 235 00:10:34,184 --> 00:10:36,424 Speaker 2: Yeah, and look we're saying this on runways as well. 236 00:10:36,464 --> 00:10:39,384 Speaker 2: You know Milan Fashion Week there was these super low 237 00:10:39,464 --> 00:10:42,704 Speaker 2: cut genes in men's where you know, the bottom was 238 00:10:42,744 --> 00:10:44,944 Speaker 2: hanging out, and I don't know if they went to 239 00:10:45,104 --> 00:10:47,184 Speaker 2: the local plumber and asked if there. 240 00:10:47,104 --> 00:10:49,664 Speaker 1: Was Isn't it weird? Like buck cleavage on a woman sexy, 241 00:10:49,744 --> 00:10:52,424 Speaker 1: but cleavage on a man even like I'm even like 242 00:10:52,464 --> 00:10:54,344 Speaker 1: on a red carpet of runway or something about it 243 00:10:54,384 --> 00:10:57,704 Speaker 1: just doesn't seem as I the hair maybe or maybe 244 00:10:57,704 --> 00:10:59,704 Speaker 1: because you just kind of see it around more often. 245 00:10:59,744 --> 00:11:01,584 Speaker 1: It's become, like you said, the plumbers, it's like become 246 00:11:01,624 --> 00:11:04,544 Speaker 1: synonymous with like not being a sexy treind but with 247 00:11:04,584 --> 00:11:06,904 Speaker 1: a woman. I don't know. I'm happy for the women 248 00:11:06,904 --> 00:11:08,544 Speaker 1: to have this one. By the way, that's okay. 249 00:11:08,584 --> 00:11:10,784 Speaker 2: Look also, I don't know if I be able to 250 00:11:10,824 --> 00:11:11,344 Speaker 2: pull it out. 251 00:11:11,464 --> 00:11:13,464 Speaker 1: I yeah, I'm not saying that's not a trend. I'm 252 00:11:13,464 --> 00:11:16,024 Speaker 1: going to go for cleavage I can get behind. Obviously 253 00:11:16,064 --> 00:11:20,464 Speaker 1: it's unavoidable. Toe cleavage less exciting, but I like when 254 00:11:20,464 --> 00:11:22,264 Speaker 1: that makes a little bit of comeback. Butck cleavage not 255 00:11:22,344 --> 00:11:24,544 Speaker 1: so much. But at the moment, though, like we're still 256 00:11:24,584 --> 00:11:28,064 Speaker 1: seeing it in the traditional places like after parties, runways. 257 00:11:28,704 --> 00:11:30,744 Speaker 1: I think it'll become more mainstream or I'll be more 258 00:11:30,784 --> 00:11:33,104 Speaker 1: impressed when someone does it the Oscars, and I don't 259 00:11:33,104 --> 00:11:35,384 Speaker 1: think anyone's going to do it, Like Charlie's Throwing came 260 00:11:35,504 --> 00:11:38,184 Speaker 1: very close in the nineties with that orange dress, but 261 00:11:38,264 --> 00:11:41,864 Speaker 1: her very first it was completely backless and it just 262 00:11:41,944 --> 00:11:45,624 Speaker 1: stopped above butck cleavage. Yeah, and I think that's the closest. 263 00:11:45,744 --> 00:11:47,984 Speaker 1: Hilary Swank has kind of like flirted the idea with 264 00:11:47,984 --> 00:11:50,504 Speaker 1: all her backless dresses, but no one's want the Oscars 265 00:11:50,544 --> 00:11:52,344 Speaker 1: and I just think that's when it'll be weeen. 266 00:11:52,424 --> 00:11:56,544 Speaker 2: It'll be really mainstream when we see it down at Westfield. Yeah, exactly, 267 00:11:56,984 --> 00:12:00,384 Speaker 2: and it's not some guy bending over fixing a sink exactly. 268 00:12:02,544 --> 00:12:04,704 Speaker 1: So I feel like when you hear the name Jamie King, 269 00:12:04,984 --> 00:12:07,664 Speaker 1: you either immediately know who she is and you're obsessed 270 00:12:07,664 --> 00:12:09,504 Speaker 1: with her and you've been watching her on screen for 271 00:12:09,584 --> 00:12:12,304 Speaker 1: twenty years, or you're not quite sure and you have 272 00:12:12,344 --> 00:12:14,584 Speaker 1: to google her name. I'm not sure which KMG fall into. 273 00:12:14,864 --> 00:12:16,664 Speaker 2: I fall into the I know who she is, but 274 00:12:16,704 --> 00:12:20,184 Speaker 2: I haven't like really followed her career. So I'm actually 275 00:12:20,224 --> 00:12:21,864 Speaker 2: not either of those. 276 00:12:21,904 --> 00:12:24,104 Speaker 1: Sorry, Oh that's all right, you know one or the other. 277 00:12:24,184 --> 00:12:26,344 Speaker 1: So I'm a bit of a Jamie King super fan. 278 00:12:26,544 --> 00:12:28,424 Speaker 1: So she start off as a model. She's been on 279 00:12:28,464 --> 00:12:30,704 Speaker 1: our screens for over twenty years. A lot of people 280 00:12:30,704 --> 00:12:33,264 Speaker 1: would know her from White Chicks, especially because that has 281 00:12:33,264 --> 00:12:35,784 Speaker 1: had a huge resurgence in the last couple of years. 282 00:12:36,144 --> 00:12:38,344 Speaker 1: Some people would know her from Cheaper by the Dozen two, 283 00:12:38,424 --> 00:12:39,624 Speaker 1: She'd a lot of Disney things. 284 00:12:39,944 --> 00:12:41,464 Speaker 2: Someone City, you know that movie. 285 00:12:41,544 --> 00:12:43,464 Speaker 1: Yeah, I loved her in Sin City. 286 00:12:43,584 --> 00:12:46,024 Speaker 2: She's beautiful, blonde like stunning. 287 00:12:46,184 --> 00:12:49,624 Speaker 1: Yes, has done some zombie TV shows Black Summer, but 288 00:12:49,664 --> 00:12:52,024 Speaker 1: I think most people would know her from her most 289 00:12:52,224 --> 00:12:56,184 Speaker 1: iconic role, which is playing Lemon Brieland on Heart of Dixie. 290 00:12:56,424 --> 00:12:59,304 Speaker 1: So Heart of Dixie is a comedy that starred Rachel Bilson. 291 00:12:59,344 --> 00:13:00,984 Speaker 1: It was from the same team that made the OC. 292 00:13:01,584 --> 00:13:03,744 Speaker 1: It was on TV for many, many years. It's on 293 00:13:03,824 --> 00:13:05,864 Speaker 1: stand now and a lot of people watch it over 294 00:13:05,904 --> 00:13:09,184 Speaker 1: and over again as a comfort show. And her character, 295 00:13:09,264 --> 00:13:11,744 Speaker 1: Lemon Brielan start is kind of the villain of the 296 00:13:11,784 --> 00:13:15,504 Speaker 1: bell of this little town, and then over time just becomes, like, 297 00:13:15,624 --> 00:13:17,704 Speaker 1: I don't say this lightly, one of the most interesting 298 00:13:17,744 --> 00:13:20,544 Speaker 1: TV characters I've ever seen. She becomes the hero of 299 00:13:20,544 --> 00:13:23,984 Speaker 1: the show. She becomes definitely the most beloved character, which 300 00:13:24,024 --> 00:13:26,904 Speaker 1: when you're starring across from Rachel Bilson, is very hard 301 00:13:26,904 --> 00:13:29,864 Speaker 1: to do. Jamie King's also been known for many years 302 00:13:29,904 --> 00:13:32,704 Speaker 1: as a staple on a lot of red carpets at events. 303 00:13:32,904 --> 00:13:35,224 Speaker 1: She's one of those ones that every celebrity just seems 304 00:13:35,224 --> 00:13:37,864 Speaker 1: to be very good friends with and just someone that 305 00:13:37,864 --> 00:13:39,424 Speaker 1: I think a lot of us have grown up with. 306 00:13:39,984 --> 00:13:42,024 Speaker 1: So that's why it's been very difficult in the last 307 00:13:42,064 --> 00:13:44,104 Speaker 1: couple of months to see all of these very negative 308 00:13:44,104 --> 00:13:46,984 Speaker 1: headlines around her. So it was back in May twenty 309 00:13:47,024 --> 00:13:50,264 Speaker 1: twenty that she filed for divorce from her husband, Kyl Newman, 310 00:13:50,704 --> 00:13:53,104 Speaker 1: and that court case has been going back and forth 311 00:13:53,144 --> 00:13:55,024 Speaker 1: over the last couple of years. It pops up every 312 00:13:55,064 --> 00:13:57,184 Speaker 1: soft and making headlines. But it just seems like one 313 00:13:57,224 --> 00:13:59,184 Speaker 1: of those not normal but one of those run of 314 00:13:59,224 --> 00:14:01,344 Speaker 1: the male custody disputes in hollywoods where a couple are 315 00:14:01,344 --> 00:14:04,904 Speaker 1: separated and all of their court documents are being made public. 316 00:14:04,984 --> 00:14:07,104 Speaker 1: But in the last week or so, things have really 317 00:14:07,224 --> 00:14:11,824 Speaker 1: escalated because Jamie King had her two son James and Leo, 318 00:14:11,904 --> 00:14:14,904 Speaker 1: who were eleven and nine, removed from her custody and 319 00:14:14,984 --> 00:14:18,584 Speaker 1: custody was given to her ex husband, Carl Newman, And 320 00:14:18,704 --> 00:14:21,384 Speaker 1: this was because there's been a lot of allegations from 321 00:14:21,544 --> 00:14:25,544 Speaker 1: him and through the court that she has an alcohol problem, 322 00:14:25,704 --> 00:14:28,464 Speaker 1: a drug problem, and that she didn't complete a drug 323 00:14:28,544 --> 00:14:31,664 Speaker 1: rehabilitation program that she was meant to. And as a 324 00:14:31,704 --> 00:14:34,304 Speaker 1: result of that, she's had her kids removed from her custody. 325 00:14:34,384 --> 00:14:37,544 Speaker 1: She's only allowed to supervise visits with them, and it's 326 00:14:37,624 --> 00:14:40,744 Speaker 1: really escalated into this very messy Hollywood story. 327 00:14:40,944 --> 00:14:43,024 Speaker 2: Yeah, and look, I mean we've seen this time and 328 00:14:43,064 --> 00:14:46,464 Speaker 2: time again where you know, celebrities are battling with drug 329 00:14:46,464 --> 00:14:49,304 Speaker 2: and alcohol addiction. It almost gets to this, you know, 330 00:14:49,384 --> 00:14:52,704 Speaker 2: favor pitch point where they can't hide it anymore, and 331 00:14:52,904 --> 00:14:56,984 Speaker 2: it's actually really really tragic, and I feel like this 332 00:14:57,104 --> 00:15:02,024 Speaker 2: poor woman has obviously got some issues. She's now lost custody. 333 00:15:02,144 --> 00:15:04,984 Speaker 2: She's actually having some financial problems as well. So one 334 00:15:05,024 --> 00:15:07,064 Speaker 2: of the big things has been the fact that she's 335 00:15:07,104 --> 00:15:09,864 Speaker 2: having a lot of financial difficulty. She was renting a 336 00:15:09,984 --> 00:15:13,624 Speaker 2: tenth thousand dollars a month property in Los Angeles and 337 00:15:14,304 --> 00:15:18,344 Speaker 2: unfortunately devaulted on her rent and according to court documents, 338 00:15:18,424 --> 00:15:22,784 Speaker 2: now owes the landlord up to forty thousand dollars in 339 00:15:22,864 --> 00:15:27,144 Speaker 2: back pay, which is really really challenging. She's now been 340 00:15:27,184 --> 00:15:29,744 Speaker 2: evicted from the property. She's left. I think there's a 341 00:15:29,784 --> 00:15:32,304 Speaker 2: case going on. She's saying that she will pay it back, 342 00:15:32,824 --> 00:15:35,464 Speaker 2: but you know, losing custody of her kids and now 343 00:15:35,504 --> 00:15:38,904 Speaker 2: losing her home, things are not going so great for 344 00:15:39,024 --> 00:15:39,904 Speaker 2: Jamie King right now. 345 00:15:39,984 --> 00:15:42,424 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. This has all been made public, so where 346 00:15:42,544 --> 00:15:45,224 Speaker 1: people have been really following along with all the granular 347 00:15:45,224 --> 00:15:48,624 Speaker 1: little details that are coming out and the accusations against 348 00:15:48,704 --> 00:15:51,624 Speaker 1: her about like not looking after her kids properly and 349 00:15:51,704 --> 00:15:55,464 Speaker 1: having to have supervised visits with them, and allegations about 350 00:15:55,504 --> 00:15:58,224 Speaker 1: her dependency on drugs and alcohol. But then she's made 351 00:15:58,264 --> 00:16:01,424 Speaker 1: allegations against Carl Newman and her husband, saying that he's 352 00:16:01,464 --> 00:16:05,544 Speaker 1: been very manipulative through their marriage and was abusive towards her. 353 00:16:05,664 --> 00:16:08,704 Speaker 1: And then she's also made accusations that her career has 354 00:16:08,704 --> 00:16:11,344 Speaker 1: stalled because of him. So there's like the court documents 355 00:16:11,744 --> 00:16:14,304 Speaker 1: when she was working on Black Summer, which was a 356 00:16:14,344 --> 00:16:16,784 Speaker 1: TV show that like took off and was quite popular 357 00:16:16,864 --> 00:16:19,704 Speaker 1: but has kind of stalled in production since then, and 358 00:16:19,744 --> 00:16:21,824 Speaker 1: she's saying that he would call the producers late at 359 00:16:21,904 --> 00:16:25,664 Speaker 1: night demanding information about her. So it's all become very messy, 360 00:16:25,704 --> 00:16:28,264 Speaker 1: and I think there's a few reasons that people are 361 00:16:28,264 --> 00:16:30,944 Speaker 1: really gravitating towards the story, and one of them is that, 362 00:16:31,064 --> 00:16:33,144 Speaker 1: like as I said, Jamie King is like someone who's 363 00:16:33,144 --> 00:16:35,184 Speaker 1: been on ice screens for a really long time, a 364 00:16:35,184 --> 00:16:38,344 Speaker 1: really prominent figure. She also has a big social media 365 00:16:38,384 --> 00:16:40,664 Speaker 1: presence and you know, for better or worse, used to 366 00:16:40,664 --> 00:16:43,024 Speaker 1: post her kids a lot and talk a lot about motherhood, 367 00:16:43,104 --> 00:16:45,184 Speaker 1: so like they were very much a part of her story. 368 00:16:45,704 --> 00:16:48,384 Speaker 1: So I think people are really fascinated by that. But 369 00:16:48,504 --> 00:16:51,784 Speaker 1: also it's like this kind of I guess not everyone's 370 00:16:51,824 --> 00:16:53,664 Speaker 1: like reveling in it, but some people, theory of the 371 00:16:53,664 --> 00:16:56,584 Speaker 1: comments are kind of like maybe more fascinated by the 372 00:16:56,624 --> 00:16:59,304 Speaker 1: story because it's a mother who's had her kids removed 373 00:16:59,304 --> 00:17:01,824 Speaker 1: from her, and because the custody has gone to the father. 374 00:17:02,224 --> 00:17:06,144 Speaker 1: There's this weird fascination with this story being on the 375 00:17:06,184 --> 00:17:08,344 Speaker 1: mother instead of the father, which I thought was interesting. 376 00:17:08,624 --> 00:17:11,144 Speaker 2: I think because so many of the stories that we 377 00:17:11,304 --> 00:17:14,424 Speaker 2: do here are of these you know, absent fathers, you know, 378 00:17:14,704 --> 00:17:17,864 Speaker 2: so when it goes the other way around, people are 379 00:17:17,944 --> 00:17:20,984 Speaker 2: just like, oh, what a terrible mother, how could she 380 00:17:21,144 --> 00:17:23,344 Speaker 2: do that? You know, I'm not going to pass judgment 381 00:17:23,384 --> 00:17:27,264 Speaker 2: on her mental health issues, but can you tell us 382 00:17:27,304 --> 00:17:29,424 Speaker 2: what the connection with Taylor Swift is? 383 00:17:29,824 --> 00:17:32,624 Speaker 1: Yes, so Taylor Stift's name is now on all the headlines, 384 00:17:32,664 --> 00:17:35,344 Speaker 1: which I mean, I don't love, but I understand. So, like, 385 00:17:35,424 --> 00:17:38,704 Speaker 1: if you see these stories continually getting like new articles 386 00:17:38,704 --> 00:17:41,624 Speaker 1: we posted and lots of social around it, it's because 387 00:17:41,904 --> 00:17:43,904 Speaker 1: like outlets don't do that because they have a vested 388 00:17:43,944 --> 00:17:45,904 Speaker 1: interest in it, Like everyone must be clicking on it, 389 00:17:46,104 --> 00:17:48,504 Speaker 1: they must be commenting their time on site to read 390 00:17:48,504 --> 00:17:51,264 Speaker 1: these articles must be a lot. So now they're looking 391 00:17:51,304 --> 00:17:54,024 Speaker 1: for all the other different angles. And the big angle 392 00:17:54,064 --> 00:17:56,744 Speaker 1: here is that Taylor Swift and Jamie King has been 393 00:17:56,944 --> 00:17:59,864 Speaker 1: very close friends for a long time, and more so 394 00:17:59,944 --> 00:18:02,864 Speaker 1: than just like Jamie King being in Taylor Swift's girl 395 00:18:02,944 --> 00:18:03,904 Speaker 1: squad at the time. 396 00:18:03,824 --> 00:18:07,544 Speaker 2: Well, she's the godmother to her day, Taylor Swift is 397 00:18:07,584 --> 00:18:10,304 Speaker 2: the godmother to her child, Leo Thames. 398 00:18:10,704 --> 00:18:14,304 Speaker 1: Yeah, like the river, Yeah yeah, yeah. So for a 399 00:18:14,304 --> 00:18:16,544 Speaker 1: long time they were always pictured together. There was always 400 00:18:16,584 --> 00:18:19,904 Speaker 1: pictures of like Taylor Swift staying over at Jamie King's house. 401 00:18:19,944 --> 00:18:22,584 Speaker 1: They were like, you know, very close best friends. Kyl 402 00:18:22,664 --> 00:18:25,504 Speaker 1: Newman when he was married to Jamie King directed i 403 00:18:25,544 --> 00:18:27,504 Speaker 1: think was her style music video. So they were like 404 00:18:27,504 --> 00:18:30,984 Speaker 1: in this creative collaboration together. And then when Leo was born, 405 00:18:31,304 --> 00:18:34,624 Speaker 1: she became the godmother, and so it's very kind of intertwined. 406 00:18:34,664 --> 00:18:36,264 Speaker 1: And I think he had a lot of health problems 407 00:18:36,264 --> 00:18:38,304 Speaker 1: with his heart when he was young, and there was 408 00:18:38,304 --> 00:18:40,664 Speaker 1: all these stories of Taylor Swift donating all this money 409 00:18:40,704 --> 00:18:43,024 Speaker 1: to the hospital who had looked after him, all of 410 00:18:43,064 --> 00:18:45,584 Speaker 1: these kind of lovely stories. And now the story out 411 00:18:45,584 --> 00:18:49,784 Speaker 1: there is that because of what's happened that Taylor's just 412 00:18:49,784 --> 00:18:53,064 Speaker 1: like taken aside and she won't talk to Jamie King anymore, 413 00:18:53,104 --> 00:18:55,064 Speaker 1: which obviously neither of them, I should say, like Jamie 414 00:18:55,144 --> 00:18:57,504 Speaker 1: King hasn't commented on this publicly at all. All this 415 00:18:57,584 --> 00:19:00,824 Speaker 1: information that we know about their finances and their life 416 00:19:00,864 --> 00:19:03,144 Speaker 1: and their kids and everything are just caught documents to 417 00:19:03,264 --> 00:19:07,264 Speaker 1: be made public, and so neither Taylor or Jamie King 418 00:19:07,304 --> 00:19:10,104 Speaker 1: have commented on it. But now the story has become 419 00:19:10,584 --> 00:19:13,664 Speaker 1: that their friendship has fallen apart, and I understand it's 420 00:19:13,664 --> 00:19:15,104 Speaker 1: a hard one for them to comment on, Like what 421 00:19:15,184 --> 00:19:16,984 Speaker 1: is Taylor Swift meant to do? Come out and say, 422 00:19:17,264 --> 00:19:19,104 Speaker 1: I'm sorry my friend has lost custody of her kids, 423 00:19:19,144 --> 00:19:20,904 Speaker 1: but we're still friends, Like there's no way for her 424 00:19:20,944 --> 00:19:21,584 Speaker 1: to comment on it. 425 00:19:21,704 --> 00:19:23,784 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's just like Blake Lively all over again, 426 00:19:23,824 --> 00:19:26,304 Speaker 2: isn't it, Paul Taylor Swift's kids getting dragged into all. 427 00:19:26,184 --> 00:19:28,464 Speaker 1: The Yeah, I understand that does make it juicier, though 428 00:19:28,464 --> 00:19:31,544 Speaker 1: it's yeah, exactly the same with the Blake Lively headlines, 429 00:19:31,584 --> 00:19:33,904 Speaker 1: Like it's much more interesting when you have Taylor Swift 430 00:19:33,944 --> 00:19:36,224 Speaker 1: woven in. But the interesting thing about the Blake Lively 431 00:19:36,264 --> 00:19:38,464 Speaker 1: thing is like her name is in those court documents 432 00:19:38,504 --> 00:19:41,384 Speaker 1: because she was present when some of the events happened, 433 00:19:41,744 --> 00:19:43,344 Speaker 1: But as far as we know, her and Jamie King 434 00:19:43,384 --> 00:19:44,984 Speaker 1: haven't been pitched together in years. 435 00:19:45,024 --> 00:19:47,424 Speaker 2: So yeah, apparently there has been a lot of sort 436 00:19:47,464 --> 00:19:50,344 Speaker 2: of gossip around the fact that they've been they've distanced, 437 00:19:50,384 --> 00:19:53,944 Speaker 2: they don't really speak anymore. You know. Look, relationships change, 438 00:19:53,984 --> 00:19:57,344 Speaker 2: like that's really normal. But obviously she's having a really 439 00:19:57,344 --> 00:20:01,064 Speaker 2: tough time and hopefully she can kind of get back 440 00:20:01,104 --> 00:20:01,544 Speaker 2: on I think. 441 00:20:01,704 --> 00:20:03,904 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the interesting thing for someone who's been in 442 00:20:03,904 --> 00:20:06,264 Speaker 1: this industry for over twenty years, is there's also a 443 00:20:06,304 --> 00:20:08,384 Speaker 1: lot of chat that before this, she was trying to 444 00:20:08,424 --> 00:20:10,544 Speaker 1: get a lot of different projects off the ground as 445 00:20:10,544 --> 00:20:13,624 Speaker 1: a producer and attaching herself as the lead actress. And 446 00:20:13,664 --> 00:20:15,584 Speaker 1: now there's a lot of chat that because of this, 447 00:20:15,944 --> 00:20:18,344 Speaker 1: she's kind of done in Hollywood and studios won't work 448 00:20:18,384 --> 00:20:20,304 Speaker 1: with her and other actors don't want to work with her, 449 00:20:20,624 --> 00:20:23,224 Speaker 1: which again not knowing the context of what's happening in 450 00:20:23,264 --> 00:20:25,824 Speaker 1: this family, but there's a lot of other people who 451 00:20:25,864 --> 00:20:28,344 Speaker 1: have done just as bad things who are still very 452 00:20:28,344 --> 00:20:30,944 Speaker 1: embraced by Hollywood, like Brad Pitt, like his kids won't 453 00:20:30,984 --> 00:20:33,704 Speaker 1: speak to him. They've gone on the record, like he 454 00:20:34,024 --> 00:20:39,184 Speaker 1: also had similar court supervised visits and custody issues and 455 00:20:39,224 --> 00:20:41,544 Speaker 1: allegations of abuse, and that went on for years and 456 00:20:41,624 --> 00:20:44,224 Speaker 1: years and years, and he's still very much like embraced 457 00:20:44,264 --> 00:20:46,184 Speaker 1: by Hollywood and is still like one of the most 458 00:20:46,184 --> 00:20:49,784 Speaker 1: bankable leading men. So it's just interesting that double standard of. 459 00:20:49,904 --> 00:20:51,224 Speaker 2: How he's a man. 460 00:20:51,464 --> 00:20:54,064 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. So it's like for a woman, like there's 461 00:20:54,104 --> 00:20:56,584 Speaker 1: just a lot more punishment. So that's all we know now. 462 00:20:56,584 --> 00:20:58,824 Speaker 1: I'm sure more information will continue to come out, but 463 00:20:59,064 --> 00:21:00,824 Speaker 1: it's just a very sad story to read. 464 00:21:01,024 --> 00:21:02,304 Speaker 2: Should we go back to Buck Clavid? 465 00:21:02,464 --> 00:21:05,184 Speaker 1: Yeah? Love that. Well, thank you very much for listening 466 00:21:05,264 --> 00:21:07,584 Speaker 1: to The Spill today, and thank you Kasanya for joining 467 00:21:07,664 --> 00:21:09,864 Speaker 1: us for what was a real rollercoaster of topics today. 468 00:21:10,384 --> 00:21:12,664 Speaker 1: Love it. Hello, and please don't forget to leave us 469 00:21:12,664 --> 00:21:15,544 Speaker 1: a review on Apple or Spotify. We read all of them, 470 00:21:15,624 --> 00:21:18,024 Speaker 1: so let us know if there's anything that you'd like 471 00:21:18,064 --> 00:21:20,544 Speaker 1: to see on the show. 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