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Speaker 2: Now, let's get into the episode. Yeah, because people go, oh,
Speaker 2: my work wife, my work husband, and it's like that smoke.
Speaker 2: My work husband looks so much like my real husband. Weird,
Speaker 2: but it's good. Like I think, if you I married
Speaker 2: the right person to do this with, do you know
Speaker 2: what I mean? And I like to think he did too.
Speaker 3: Harriet Dyer has become one of Australia's biggest television success stories.
Speaker 3: She's the co creator, writer and star of Colin from Account,
Speaker 3: the little Australian comedy that became an international hit and
Speaker 3: made audiences around the world fall in love with Harry
Speaker 3: and her husband Patrick Bramle. But Harriet will tell you
Speaker 3: she's never been the loudest person in the room. She
Speaker 3: describes herself as genuinely shy, the kind of child who
Speaker 3: hid behind her dad's leg on the first day of school,
Speaker 3: and the kind of actor who was rejected from Nider
Speaker 3: twice before finding another way. In this conversation, Harriet talks
Speaker 3: about growing up in Townsville, building a career one rejection
Speaker 3: at a time, falling in love with Patrick, becoming a mother,
Speaker 3: and creating one of Australia's most beloved television shows. It's
Speaker 3: a conversation about creativity, partnership and what happens when you
Speaker 3: keep saying yes to things that scare you.
Speaker 4: This is Harriet Dyer.
Speaker 2: Oh, Harry Dyer, Yeah, babe.
Speaker 4: Welcome to no Filter.
Speaker 2: Great.
Speaker 4: You said you were nervous. Why are you nervous?
Speaker 2: Because I like a filter? Oh okay, a filter. It
Speaker 2: says none. Yeah, it says none, and I think I
Speaker 2: need one. People close to me are like, oh, if
Speaker 2: you're unfiltered, it's a problem, is it, really? I just
Speaker 2: get an overshare hangover?
Speaker 3: Oh okay, yeah, Well I think a lot of people do.
Speaker 3: But I'm always reminded of Jude Lucy said once in
Speaker 3: her stand up years ago. Famous people are always like,
Speaker 3: I'm not going to talk about my private life, and
Speaker 3: she said, I'm always like, why not. You are in
Speaker 3: a slightly different situation now because you have gone from
Speaker 3: a beloved domestic product of ours and friend too international
Speaker 3: little bit.
Speaker 2: But also it's like I think, I think I'm truly shy,
Speaker 2: but this job keeps forcing me to not be that.
Speaker 2: And now I have little kids, I'm like, that's your personality,
Speaker 2: Like you're that kind of and we nurture and in
Speaker 2: the kids you can see their personality. And then I
Speaker 2: think back to there was this video of my first
Speaker 2: day of school when I was five in Townsville, and
Speaker 2: like I would not come out from behind my dad's leg,
Speaker 2: behind the couch.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so shy at school.
Speaker 2: This was like in the house getting ready and my
Speaker 2: hand in my mouth, head down. My sister twos old,
Speaker 2: just like it's Harry's first day and she was ready
Speaker 2: to go, and I was like not coping. But then
Speaker 2: that year at school, I think I had to learn
Speaker 2: to pull something out because it was a pretty rough school.
Speaker 2: We moved schools after that.
Speaker 3: But.
Speaker 2: Our first year, our year one class had eighteen teachers.
Speaker 2: I think the kids were so fair. He just kept leaving, Oh,
Speaker 2: you're kidding, you know, it's like one a one by. Yeah.
Speaker 2: We were just like one question, just like there is
Speaker 2: no teacher to this crew. They were feral.
Speaker 4: What in firsty we're.
Speaker 2: Five years old and and and they just kept leaving.
Speaker 2: And I think in a in an effort to survive,
Speaker 2: I just got quite good at I don't know, being funny, you're.
Speaker 3: Right, or a situation that you could feel was happening
Speaker 3: even about just like join the rabble.
Speaker 4: You're right.
Speaker 2: And so now I'm like in this industry where it's like,
Speaker 2: you know, be beyond and be good at it. My
Speaker 2: party is really good at it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he has got a real kind of ease.
Speaker 3: There doesn't seem to be a demarcation with him. He's
Speaker 3: got no anxiety him and him and sort of private him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, obviously he's more himself at home. But he's not
Speaker 2: that different.
Speaker 4: Do you think you are?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm I'm an introbute.
Speaker 4: But see, I think a lot of performers.
Speaker 2: I'm not alone there for sure, but I yeah, I
Speaker 2: just get anxious about I don't. I don't, I don't.
Speaker 2: I am scared of being misunderstood or something. But also
Speaker 2: I've got to remember that the best version of me
Speaker 2: is the one that relaxes. And it's just because when
Speaker 2: you're tight, and it's not gonna be good.
Speaker 4: No, no, okay, we don't want that.
Speaker 2: We don't want that happen, we say next to that one.
Speaker 3: But but like, okay, so I had a very beautiful
Speaker 3: encounter with your husband.
Speaker 2: I'm so sorry you had to talk to.
Speaker 4: Him really.
Speaker 2: Actually not in front of him. Yeah, that's I'm so gross.
Speaker 2: I don't want to hurt his feeling.
Speaker 3: But he spoke, you know, when someone just speaks with
Speaker 3: love about someone, Yes, and not only I was talking
Speaker 3: to a girlfriend about this recently. Who's for the first
Speaker 3: time really going out with someone who approves of them?
Speaker 2: You know that difference his total approval of you is
Speaker 2: really beautiful and it's launched like a great adventure for
Speaker 2: you to creatively as well as well as personally. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's in my corner for sure.
Speaker 4: But when you were little five year old Harry parting
Speaker 4: behind your dad's leg, like, who, what were you like then?
Speaker 4: And what was TOWNSVI like?
Speaker 2: Well, I really I really think I found myself in performance.
Speaker 2: So it wasn't just in like surviving that rabble of
Speaker 2: kids but I got really quickly into dance and speech
Speaker 2: and drama, right, yes, singing.
Speaker 4: So they offered that at school.
Speaker 2: No, I did a lot of extracurriculus. I can. And
Speaker 2: also there's a really active amateur theater scene in Townsville,
Speaker 2: really huge dram babe. And so we were by the
Speaker 2: time I was seven, I was doing like I was
Speaker 2: in musicals to big, you know, six hundred seater and
Speaker 2: what musicals? First one was Annie, but my sister was
Speaker 2: Annie and I was Molly. Oh right, chead the curly
Speaker 2: red Wig. It's a hard not life back babe. And
Speaker 2: I loved that. And I think I got kind of
Speaker 2: bitten by the bug of performing. And that's where I realized.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, this is me, and I don't
Speaker 2: I know how to show all my feathers here?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 2: And also people clap and they don't cut when you
Speaker 2: do a math test.
Speaker 4: No, No, they don't.
Speaker 2: In fact, these they discouraged that it's really only at
Speaker 2: school athletics.
Speaker 3: Yeah, those people get a lot of applause. They're driven
Speaker 3: by something else.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But and performance, yeah, and there's something in it
Speaker 2: which feels like the antithesis of it. But you can
Speaker 2: hide in it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so you're showing yourself.
Speaker 2: Yes and yet not yes, Like poor Jess out there
Speaker 2: wanted me to walk around the office and look at
Speaker 2: everyone's dog and do like a social thing. And I
Speaker 2: started to die a bit, right because I don't know
Speaker 2: how to just walk around and be funny right like
Speaker 2: people have been like you should just stand up. I
Speaker 2: will fall into a pile of ashes like that woman
Speaker 2: cremated herself. Well done. But I can do it if
Speaker 2: I'm someone else. So it's so good. If I'm like
Speaker 2: Ashley and Colin or a in a play, that's just
Speaker 2: the best. So I feel like, you know, impenetrable.
Speaker 3: But also I think stand up is a very I've
Speaker 3: spent a lot of my life working with stand up comedians,
Speaker 3: mostly me, and I think it's a very different media
Speaker 3: because it's not collaborative. No, so a comedian is.
Speaker 2: Like that's you all will sit there in the dark, listen.
Speaker 3: I will have a spotlight on me and I will
Speaker 3: make you laugh nightmare, whereas your work is very collaborative.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, never alone. Yeah true. And I've not
Speaker 2: done a one woman show. But even that, you've got
Speaker 2: a direct eye, you've got you've got some crew. Yes,
Speaker 2: but yeah no, I do like a cob to the audience.
Speaker 2: I supp exactly. Yeah yeah, But then at what point
Speaker 2: did you go did Molly go home?
Speaker 3: This is I could have a career in this right,
Speaker 3: At what point did you go or that it was
Speaker 3: more than just something that you enjoyed as a kid.
Speaker 2: I kept winning awards? Did you only humble brag? I couldn't.
Speaker 2: I can't help, But the answer is I kept getting
Speaker 2: trophies boom, and and you kind of got to listen
Speaker 2: to the feedback. Like the feedback was good, and then
Speaker 2: it became a bit like not just towns Fall feedback,
Speaker 2: but like North Queensland and Queensland feedback. And like there
Speaker 2: was some big competition, the Festival of One Act Plays
Speaker 2: or something, and they had so many participants and I
Speaker 2: think I was about twelve, and I won best Actor
Speaker 2: in the whole thing. Oh and I was up against
Speaker 2: like adults.
Speaker 4: What was it?
Speaker 2: What was I can't remember what you did? I can't remember.
Speaker 2: Maybe I was playing like a funny old lady a right,
Speaker 2: But this adjudicator from Brisbane political well it just big,
Speaker 2: big smile. He was like, this kid's got it, And
Speaker 2: so I just was like, I think I've got to
Speaker 2: listen to that. And also I wasn't excelling in anything else.
Speaker 4: Oh pretty good at music, right, yes?
Speaker 2: Almost almost. Actually I applied to do jazz vocal performance
Speaker 2: at the Conservatorium of Music in Queensland and I got
Speaker 2: in on my singing, but I failed the theory test right,
Speaker 2: and they're like, if you do six months hardcore theory,
Speaker 2: it will pop you in. And I thought boring, but you.
Speaker 4: Were a scatter.
Speaker 2: I was doing a minute a little bit and now
Speaker 2: I'm like, Wow, if they'd accepted me, we wouldn't be
Speaker 2: city talking.
Speaker 4: Well, it's interesting because they knew you.
Speaker 2: Also auditioned for NIDER YEP, didn't get in. Twice YEP
Speaker 2: didn't get in, Which is I never auditioned for NIDER.
Speaker 2: I auditioned for VCA. Oh yeah, did I get into that?
Speaker 2: Didn't get I don't think I auditioned for vc.
Speaker 3: NIDER are famously bruising And how was it for you?
Speaker 3: Can you remember the first time?
Speaker 2: I remember I remember a terrible moment where they just
Speaker 2: they're sitting there just kind of telling you what life's like.
Speaker 2: And I'm from Townsville as I as I've mentioned, and
Speaker 2: I had borrowed a car or something, and it was
Speaker 2: really epic part of the audition. Maybe it was like
Speaker 2: they were walking through your second callback monologue, this is
Speaker 2: what you have to do. And suddenly I realized I'd
Speaker 2: pucked in the clearway. Oh no, and it was three
Speaker 2: point thirty and it was the clearway was three to seven,
Speaker 2: and I think I'd been left. I think I wasn't
Speaker 2: expecting to be that long in the day. And suddenly
Speaker 2: it was like, I'm so sorry, I have to go
Speaker 2: and move my echo right, my little yellow yellow Toyota echo,
Speaker 2: and it wasn't there, and it was somewhere else, and
Speaker 2: I just came back and I was so kind of
Speaker 2: thrown by it, but I still did. Like I can't
Speaker 2: blame that. I just don't think I was going to
Speaker 2: get in. No, but that's a very strange thing to do. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think I made it through the next round, so
Speaker 2: the echo didn't kill me. But I didn't. I think
Speaker 2: I did.
Speaker 3: I never got past that round two, okay, and then
Speaker 3: but it was enough for you to go, I'm going
Speaker 3: to do this again.
Speaker 4: I'm going to audition again.
Speaker 2: Or yeah, I got in. I never actually studied there.
Speaker 2: So I then got into a part time course there
Speaker 2: called Singer Answer Actor. So it was a music theater
Speaker 2: thing and it was every night and all day Saturday,
Speaker 2: so it was a big course. It was like five
Speaker 2: to nine pretty much Monday to Friday. So I'd work
Speaker 2: all day at Collier's real Estate, oh Industrial real Estate
Speaker 2: or Gloria Jeans.
Speaker 4: I worked up for some of them, okay, yeah.
Speaker 2: And then nighttime coffee yeah, dosh your grind, nighttime on
Speaker 2: you know, singing, dancing, acting, and then Saturday was this
Speaker 2: insane day called master class where you'd sit there was
Speaker 2: like fourteen of us in the class, and there'd be
Speaker 2: maybe three people on a Saturday, and they'd get up
Speaker 2: and they do a song and basically the person who
Speaker 2: ran it, she was amazing, but she's terrifying, and she'd
Speaker 2: basically kind of tay your to shreds. Is an intense
Speaker 2: thing to say, yes because she made me a better performer,
Speaker 2: but she pulled it apart, you know, and she had
Speaker 2: stuff to say and it. Yeah, it was a scary
Speaker 2: day and you'd just sit there so sweaty, just so sweaty.
Speaker 4: You know that book Have you read that book? Respect
Speaker 4: for Acting? That book?
Speaker 2: You know what I bought it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, so I read it but didn't end up
Speaker 4: being an actor.
Speaker 2: Tell me about it. Well, there's a great quote in
Speaker 2: there where you must have respect. It was you must
Speaker 2: have respect for acting. So sad that I bought it.
Speaker 3: I think it was it was the other famous acting
Speaker 3: teacher who had the school in New York.
Speaker 2: And oh that guy, No, he's another one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, anyway, he's oh, the one in New York.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my brain's gone.
Speaker 4: Anyway.
Speaker 3: Whatever he says in this book would that the stage
Speaker 3: were as narrow and treacherous as a tight rope, that
Speaker 3: the untalented would not dare to treat upon it, which
Speaker 3: I've always sort of remembered because I think a part
Speaker 3: of me was like the untalented, I do not treat
Speaker 3: upon it. But there's something to be said for you
Speaker 3: encountering these things that you pushed against that might cow
Speaker 3: some people and might stop them in their tracks. The
Speaker 3: more people are defeated, yeah than pushed through.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And what was it in you that went even when
Speaker 3: you were at a masterclass getting rich to shreds or
Speaker 3: you're a getting the rejection, What was the germ in you,
Speaker 3: the seed that dared to still look for the sun.
Speaker 2: Because I knew I could only get better. I knew
Speaker 2: I had talent, Yeah, but I didn't think I was
Speaker 2: like an oil painting so I wasn't going to get
Speaker 2: in that way. I was like, I look fine, but
Speaker 2: I know I'm talented, and I just did have enough
Speaker 2: of a belief to go. It's important to fail in
Speaker 2: front of these people. It's important to train. I would
Speaker 2: never dare to think that I would just be handed
Speaker 2: a job without a huge amount of training. I just yeah,
Speaker 2: I also think it's important to fail in a more
Speaker 2: supportive environment, like it was scary, but everyone's failing. Yes,
Speaker 2: it was these beautiful fourteen people that we just constantly
Speaker 2: failed in front of each other. And then after that
Speaker 2: I did a two and a half year acting course.
Speaker 2: More failure, but I knew that you had to do it.
Speaker 2: And I still think. I've like I've looked at professional
Speaker 2: jobs and gone. I think, I look at everything I
Speaker 2: do and I just want to be better than the
Speaker 2: last thing. But everything I think when you're you know,
Speaker 2: we're all sensitive, but everything is scary and you have
Speaker 2: to just keep showing up. I was knitting in a
Speaker 2: coffee shop once when I was on a Bell Shakespeare
Speaker 2: tour and I was going all around Australia with this
Speaker 2: play and it said there was a quote on the
Speaker 2: wall that said a ship in a harbor is safe,
Speaker 2: but this is not. Chips are four, And I like, okay,
Speaker 2: I got it. Just you know that's me wa, I
Speaker 2: just got it. That's the five year old, that's shy.
Speaker 2: Just keep going out a ship.
Speaker 4: You're a ship.
Speaker 2: But also I couldn't stop, and then I'll just go, Oh,
Speaker 2: I don't want regret until I'm really old. But I
Speaker 2: know that I need to get better all the time.
Speaker 3: Because there comes a point often too in an actor's life,
Speaker 3: if they've reached some success, some external success as well,
Speaker 3: where you go from being someone who's pitching yourself against
Speaker 3: these challenges and failing and being prepared to fail. Where
Speaker 3: you enter an environment, particularly you would know from Hollywood
Speaker 3: now where you're really coseted and insulated, and at that
Speaker 3: point growth can stop.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you can get a bit precious, yes.
Speaker 3: And also there's a vibrating there's a whole world constructed
Speaker 3: around you and your comfort and your needs.
Speaker 2: God, it makes monsters, truly.
Speaker 3: And so now that you have moved to Hollywood, and
Speaker 3: you've had this success with Colin.
Speaker 4: Do you think there's a life like before Colin and
Speaker 4: after Colin for you? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Maybe? Yeah, because that show I did in I did
Speaker 2: twenty episodes of a show in Montreal before we came
Speaker 2: here to do season three of Colin, and that's been canceled.
Speaker 2: That was called DMV. But I was number one on
Speaker 2: that show, which means you're the lead and oh my god,
Speaker 2: you're like, you've basically got Butler's yes and everyone everyone's
Speaker 2: just taking care of you. And I was a bit
Speaker 2: of a special case because I had to keep going
Speaker 2: to my trailer in any time off to write this season.
Speaker 2: So I was doing a few things with the two
Speaker 2: kids as well. It was a lot going on, but
Speaker 2: my needs were very met. Day one of Colin, we
Speaker 2: were shooting in Centennial Park and it's my show. Like
Speaker 2: me and Patty other bosses, I'm also number one or
Speaker 2: nomber two. It doesn't matter. I'm number one. It'll just
Speaker 2: be nice. But I just couldn't get I was.
Speaker 4: Like, where do I sit?
Speaker 2: Yeah, where's my chair?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: And that felt I had to like shove down this
Speaker 2: in a diva that had almost grown in Montreal, where I.
Speaker 4: Got very used to being told there's your water, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Of course, And they had put out like two cast
Speaker 2: chairs and then just randoms were sitting it. Not randoms,
Speaker 2: but like.
Speaker 4: People who shouldn't have been sitting in.
Speaker 2: I just needed some Also, I think I was very nervous.
Speaker 2: This is the five shy year old, shy year old
Speaker 2: five year old there, she is a seat for me,
Speaker 2: especially on the set, is somewhere to just charge. And
Speaker 2: I started to panic. I'm like, if I've got a
Speaker 2: if I if I can't because the scene we're doing
Speaker 2: is walking walking talk. We just back and forth and
Speaker 2: Pat can do that all day and I just was like,
Speaker 2: but I and I didn't want to seem like a diva.
Speaker 2: So day one I was like, oh, I'll just get it.
Speaker 2: I'll just and I just found myself just sitting on
Speaker 2: like a route under a tree, and I'm like, We've
Speaker 2: come a long way since TMV, but it's important, yes,
Speaker 2: And now if I went back into an American job,
Speaker 2: I've got to remember to see it for what it is,
Speaker 2: which is like, this is how monsters are made. Some
Speaker 2: of the cast I worked with in Montreal, like one
Speaker 2: guy we had this kind of common area and he
Speaker 2: was like, I want a treadmill, I want a stat machine,
Speaker 2: and I want a stationary bike and a big TV.
Speaker 2: Within four hours he had a full gym. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: And is that a good thing? I don't know. Like
Speaker 2: that creates It's set a tone where it's like, quick,
Speaker 2: get that guy what he wants. And that's insane. That
Speaker 2: would never happen here, and nor should it.
Speaker 4: No, that's wrong.
Speaker 2: So the industry covers like a gamut whether you're working
Speaker 2: there or here. And I prefer to be the person
Speaker 2: that can handle to sit on a tree route and
Speaker 2: just recharge quietly.
Speaker 3: Well, because that goes back to what you were saying
Speaker 3: about how you always want to get better and you
Speaker 3: want to grow, and yeah.
Speaker 4: There is I don't want to be that. Yeah, there's
Speaker 4: no growth without pain.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 3: No, you're listening to no Filter more with Harriet Dye
Speaker 3: in just a moment. What was your biggest professional pain,
Speaker 3: like where you found the growth?
Speaker 2: Oh, that's a good question. I found it really hard
Speaker 2: working on that. I did a movie with Elizabeth Moss
Speaker 2: where I played her sister, an invisible man, and I
Speaker 2: get killed in this restaurant scene and it was really hectic,
Speaker 2: and they'd made this rig where it was kind of
Speaker 2: silicon and painted into me and they my throat was
Speaker 2: slit and all this blood came out. And it was
Speaker 2: a night shoot in a restaurant. It was like two
Speaker 2: or three am. And they did all Lizzie's coverage. First,
Speaker 2: she allowed Lizzie. Yeah, she wasn't full Elizabeth was, yeah,
Speaker 2: this was pre interview. We're talking about nicknames. Yeah, she's Lizzie. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but they did her coverage. They turn around, they're running
Speaker 2: out of time, and they were like, okay, and now
Speaker 2: the knife and now die and Leemanel the director was
Speaker 2: just yelling things out and yeah, he's just and choke
Speaker 2: more and that's it and cough and do something. And
Speaker 2: I felt like this acting robot and I'm choking and
Speaker 2: dying and that's it and fall and he sounded kind
Speaker 2: of frustrated and then he was like cut, Okay, I
Speaker 2: guess we got it. And I was like, oh god.
Speaker 2: And that was my big moment. And they had all
Speaker 2: these other rigs ready to go, with my silk shirt
Speaker 2: all ready to go, and they're like, that's a wrap
Speaker 2: and I said, but I thought maybe that was a
Speaker 2: practice like I only got one go and they're like,
Speaker 2: not run out of time. And then I got into
Speaker 2: this lift by myself and it was, like I said,
Speaker 2: maybe four o'clock in the morning, and I was so
Speaker 2: tired and so so much adrenaline, and in the mirror
Speaker 2: of the lift, I just saw my throat completely slipt,
Speaker 2: and because it was so good, it wasn't any visual effects,
Speaker 2: it was all practical, and my brain was like, are
Speaker 2: you dead? Like it was just a weird and then
Speaker 2: I don't think you should see yourself like that, you know.
Speaker 2: And then I got into bed, like after a shower
Speaker 2: later about six am, going what was that? And I
Speaker 2: think it taught me that you may only get one
Speaker 2: go right, and you've got to be happy with it
Speaker 2: because they just got to move on. Yes, And I
Speaker 2: wish someone big machine yeah, And I wish someone had
Speaker 2: kind of said you okay, or and Patty and I
Speaker 2: really try to take care of our actors, especially there's
Speaker 2: like an emotional scene coming up. I try to give
Speaker 2: them space or say do you want another go? Like
Speaker 2: even though we're not directors, we are on set producers
Speaker 2: and I don't remember the question, but I remember I
Speaker 2: think maybe that was my answer. I just remember going,
Speaker 2: I really this was my biggest shot in this death
Speaker 2: scene with Lizzie Moss, and I got one, and I
Speaker 2: should have Should I have given it more?
Speaker 4: Or but it was fine.
Speaker 2: It was fine, Which is also a lesson, isn't it
Speaker 2: Exactly If you've trained and you've worked hard and you're there,
Speaker 2: you're probably gonna be fine.
Speaker 4: And you've committed yourself.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but in terms of biggest pain pain in terms
Speaker 2: of light rolls, there's not been a job that I've
Speaker 2: gone for that I've missed out on and been in
Speaker 2: like pining because I really just so believe it wasn't
Speaker 2: meant to be. Anytime I don't get a job, it's
Speaker 2: like not meant to happen if you if you pine
Speaker 2: all the auditions, you don't care. Like also it's butterfly
Speaker 2: affect shit, Like there's so many things I wish I'd
Speaker 2: gotten and then Colin wouldn't have happened. Yes, yes, so
Speaker 2: many things.
Speaker 3: And I always think that look at the cast of
Speaker 3: Colin as well, that they're people that you and Patty
Speaker 3: have worked with, that you have drawn back together into
Speaker 3: this absolutely brilliant ensemble cast.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're really good. It's a great cast and we
Speaker 2: love each other. There's a lot of love there.
Speaker 4: Why are you ending it?
Speaker 2: Because I think creatively it's good. Leave on a high.
Speaker 2: I don't want anyone to get sick of it.
Speaker 3: I think when you say you don't want anyone to
Speaker 3: get sick of it, do you mean the audience or
Speaker 3: do you mean you?
Speaker 4: And oh the audio Patty?
Speaker 3: But you, guys, we know it Sometimes is a disconnect
Speaker 3: with the writers or you're in a different place in
Speaker 3: the process than the audiences.
Speaker 4: Who the audience would be like, we'll take ten more series.
Speaker 2: They probably would, You're right, But also the way we've
Speaker 2: built it, we don't have a writer's room. Most shows
Speaker 2: have a writer's room. They have other writers. Even just
Speaker 2: the other day, I was walking to friend Sarah Scheller,
Speaker 2: who did Strife.
Speaker 4: Oh right, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: She was like, yeah, anyway, our story editor this, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, what's the story editor? We needed that? What
Speaker 2: the hell?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 2: We should have had a story editor just us every word,
Speaker 2: every idea, every plot, And so I thought, and one
Speaker 2: day I remember in season two, were like, he needs
Speaker 2: to be a third person we can share this with.
Speaker 2: And then they kind of brought on like a script coordinator,
Speaker 2: but it felt more like pages admin, right, like this
Speaker 2: isn't helpful, so goodbye. But if we had someone like
Speaker 2: a story at it a going, I just I'm not
Speaker 2: sure you've actually tied up Brett's thing, or I'm not
Speaker 2: sure if you've thought about ending it this way, like
Speaker 2: someone who's really in the story with us, who cares
Speaker 2: and is a talented writer probably on their own right.
Speaker 2: But we just didn't have that person. So it's little
Speaker 2: things like that we probably could have helped ourselves.
Speaker 3: Right, I'm given you maybe longevity, more longevity with it,
Speaker 3: because it's not like the fuel in the candle is
Speaker 3: not just coming from you too.
Speaker 2: Yes, However, when you then invite people in, you've got
Speaker 2: to manage them. And there's something so clean about me
Speaker 2: and Patty there's no one to manage. And if he
Speaker 2: has a dad idea, I just go. And if I
Speaker 2: have a dad idea, it's like whereas if we're in
Speaker 2: a ten writers room, you might be like, oh my god, Kate,
Speaker 2: that's such a good let's put it on the board.
Speaker 2: Put it on the board, and we're going to think
Speaker 2: about that and then let's break for a lone and
Speaker 2: there's just wasted energy. Yes, whereas there's.
Speaker 4: An economy of truth that you two, which is.
Speaker 2: Just give me a look like we're not doing that.
Speaker 2: But that being said, because we aren't able, because we're mental,
Speaker 2: we're unable to outsource. It means that we control everything
Speaker 2: and that is a blessing and a curse because we're
Speaker 2: proud of everything because we picked it. But then everyone
Speaker 2: just goes, well, Patty and Harry fucking pick it anyway.
Speaker 2: So I think it doesn't give people as much ownership
Speaker 2: over some of their jobs as maybe they'd have another jobs.
Speaker 4: Right, it doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, And everyone works so hard, but they
Speaker 2: know that at the end we'll probably pick it. So
Speaker 2: sometimes I think we need to release the reins and
Speaker 2: go you just do it, But then we go, oh,
Speaker 2: that wasn't it.
Speaker 3: Sorry, But outside of the show, you now have two daughters.
Speaker 4: Yes, this is the other thing. And Patty was talking
Speaker 4: when we spoke, which was.
Speaker 3: The day after the pres miror of Priora here, and
Speaker 3: he was talking about like the necessity of with you
Speaker 3: two working the way that you're working, that you need help. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but that's also comes at a cost. It does it's
Speaker 3: a similar as kind of thing that you need to
Speaker 3: relinquish a certain amount of control.
Speaker 2: And so the best version of that is I work
Speaker 2: or he works, because the hours on set are so long,
Speaker 2: you do need someone keeping the home fires burning and
Speaker 2: Colin we're both out. Yes, so the kids every season
Speaker 2: we've obviously had to have a nanny because daycare isn't open,
Speaker 2: and also sickness and stuff, and you need a.
Speaker 3: You want that constancy of care as well. That's someone
Speaker 3: that the girls feel.
Speaker 2: Exactly, but it's not just feels a bit icky to
Speaker 2: leave in the dark, come back in the dark, and
Speaker 2: and yeah there's just a parent missing, yes, and you're
Speaker 2: it's something you feel you're missing as well. Yeah, of course. Yeah,
Speaker 2: there's been times, especially in Canada. In Montreal, I was
Speaker 2: working heer razy hours and we had the most beautiful
Speaker 2: au pair and we met her actually in Melbourne because
Speaker 2: Patty had done this Apple show just before Montreal. So
Speaker 2: basically the last eighteen months we've been like Carnie's. Yes,
Speaker 2: Maybel was born twelve days later, Patty had to go
Speaker 2: to Melbourne and then we followed when the passport was ready,
Speaker 2: and so we're in Melbourne for about five months, Montreal
Speaker 2: for five months, Sydney for seven and we're going to
Speaker 2: get back to La and maybe will be eighteen months old.
Speaker 2: And she hasn't been in her home since you was
Speaker 2: six weeks old. That's just not how you envision no nesting.
Speaker 3: No, that's true. But also Mabel's solicious, know anything, she's
Speaker 3: jon must know.
Speaker 2: That's it. So Jonie's almost five, and yet things got
Speaker 2: a bit hairy in Montreal when I just felt really
Speaker 2: far from her. I felt that our oap hair was
Speaker 2: so in her life that I felt you can't replace
Speaker 2: a mum. But I wished for more closeness, you know,
Speaker 2: and that was But all you can also wish for
Speaker 2: is that they're close with the person caring for them.
Speaker 2: Like the other day, our nanny here left and Mabel cried,
Speaker 2: and the ego goes, don't cry, mom's here. Yes, yes,
Speaker 2: but actually it's good yes, because it means she loves her, yes,
Speaker 2: And that means you're leaving them with someone who they love.
Speaker 3: And it is you do think, I mean you have
Speaker 3: to surrender parts of yourself.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you've got four yes, And.
Speaker 3: I've had a very similar you know, with I think
Speaker 3: every working mother is confronted with the same yes of dilemma.
Speaker 3: It is yeah, and a part of you surrenders to
Speaker 3: the notion or rises to the notion that the more
Speaker 3: people that love your children, yeah, the better. But it
Speaker 3: doesn't mean that it's not yeah, and that sometimes you think, oh,
Speaker 3: this isn't right.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And Jonie was so little when season one started, and
Speaker 2: the other day she walked into her our room and
Speaker 2: I thought, God, she's so big, she's so tall, and
Speaker 2: her whole life we've been sharing her our brains between
Speaker 2: her and Colin from accounts. In the last four and
Speaker 2: a half years, we've made three seasons of television. We've
Speaker 2: written all twenty four episodes and sat in the edit
Speaker 2: every day, which is also different, and brought two girls up.
Speaker 2: And that's a really full time. Plus DMV plus American
Speaker 2: Auto plus Last Scene plus prior U plus Evil just
Speaker 2: these jobs, right, Yes, and that's why it's time to
Speaker 2: just take a bit solidate and Yeah. When Joanie was
Speaker 2: about five weeks old, they said, we're going to do it.
Speaker 2: We're making Colin, you've got to write the back four
Speaker 2: episodes right now. And we didn't have any family support
Speaker 2: or any help in LA and we had to quickly
Speaker 2: write them. She was like four months when we started shooting.
Speaker 2: She rolled over for the first time in the edit,
Speaker 2: stuff like that, And she's kind of none the wiser.
Speaker 2: She knows she's got two very loving parents. I don't
Speaker 2: think she feels like some sort of TV often. No,
Speaker 2: but I just want to be there a bit more
Speaker 2: right now.
Speaker 3: When Patty was talking about the when he fell in
Speaker 3: love with you really or when we realize that you
Speaker 3: were in love with each other, and one of the
Speaker 3: things that I gleaned from him was your capacity to
Speaker 3: care about people.
Speaker 2: Oh that's nice. I do care, but yeah, you do care.
Speaker 2: But everybody does though, don't they. Yeah?
Speaker 3: Some people make care but don't necessarily have the capacity
Speaker 3: to enactor.
Speaker 4: Do you know what I mean? Yes?
Speaker 2: I come from the very demonstratively loving family. It's like,
Speaker 2: love you all the time, right? And that changed things
Speaker 2: for him. I gathered in his emotional I think possibly yeah,
Speaker 2: state yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: And what but you two had met in twenty twelve?
Speaker 3: Was it one moody No, that was funny.
Speaker 2: Someone wrote that we never shared that.
Speaker 4: Had you worked together before?
Speaker 2: We hadn't shared that screen. He was in it and
Speaker 2: I was like a glorified extra. Yeah, I hadn't. I
Speaker 2: don't think he was on that day. I think I
Speaker 2: in meadows and oh Jane Harbor might have been having
Speaker 2: some It was a bit where I had to kiss
Speaker 2: a boy.
Speaker 4: It was horrible.
Speaker 2: It was like that man was lovely, but it was
Speaker 2: like Jungle was upper coming kind of comedy people. And
Speaker 2: I'd done an ad with Trent, the director who is
Speaker 2: now like our kids godfather, and it was like a
Speaker 2: funny bit for a girl to be really making out
Speaker 2: in right airport line, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, And anyway,
Speaker 2: it was a horrible day. It's on set because he
Speaker 2: wasn't my boyfriend, this guy, but no, Patty wasn't in that. No.
Speaker 3: No, we're knowing from my rom com, my desire for
Speaker 3: a rom com.
Speaker 4: That's like really devastating.
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, we didn't meet then. It was much much later.
Speaker 2: But yeah, we we worked together first I think no activity,
Speaker 2: oh right, no activity? Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 3: And then was there How was your relationship then you
Speaker 3: were mates? You were yeah, like who felt the first
Speaker 3: free song?
Speaker 2: I don't really know. Okay, but not at the initial
Speaker 2: meeting or in we met, No, we met like I
Speaker 2: think I served him at a cafe at some point
Speaker 2: and I recognized him from an insurance commercial. Like it
Speaker 2: wasn't love at first sight. It was just like in
Speaker 2: each other's or but yeah, but he he's just a
Speaker 2: wonderful dude. He's a great dad, and he keeps me
Speaker 2: from kind of flying off, like I am an anxious
Speaker 2: character and he is a stoic, centered character. And so
Speaker 2: there's an when I say, came in person, yes, and
Speaker 2: so there is his.
Speaker 4: Character is yes, exactly, Yes he is.
Speaker 2: He has more kind of wait to him.
Speaker 4: He's emotional exactly.
Speaker 2: His bowl is centered and mine spills out all over
Speaker 2: the place.
Speaker 3: But it's a it's a very Yin and yang.
Speaker 2: Yeah, i'd say so sort of recipe. And I can
Speaker 2: tell when he needs to kind of spin off a bit,
Speaker 2: and I go, I'll be balast then because there's only so.
Speaker 4: Much like Prada. I imagine you had to be ballast
Speaker 4: when Prada happened.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a little bit, But that was fine. That was
Speaker 2: just like a thing came out. I mean, the thing
Speaker 2: is it came out in the middle of we wrapped
Speaker 2: on a Friday. God, after doing this massive the massive
Speaker 2: eight episodes of Colony wrapped on a Friday, had a
Speaker 2: wrap party on the Saturday right and then he flew
Speaker 2: Sunday morning for the premiere and we had a necessary
Speaker 2: week off or something before we then went into the edit.
Speaker 2: So Prada was big on a world stage, but it
Speaker 2: was something that just slotted into our month. And then
Speaker 2: he came back and we got into the edit of
Speaker 2: Colin and that ended a week ago, and he shot
Speaker 2: it while I was working in Montreal. That was the
Speaker 2: hardest part actually.
Speaker 4: And you were with Mabel. I think I.
Speaker 2: Brought Mabel across from Melbourne to Montreal. He still had
Speaker 2: to shoot some in Melbourne. He stayed with Jonie and
Speaker 2: the OA pair. It came over, then he went straight
Speaker 2: to New York. It wasn't well designed. It's been a
Speaker 2: crazy year. But yeah, when he needs it, I'm ballast.
Speaker 3: So when you're you know, when you're talking about all
Speaker 3: of these moving parts, the building block, the basic building
Speaker 3: block is you and Patty. And when you're in a
Speaker 3: relationship like your husband and wife, yes, and your producers
Speaker 3: and your writers and your parents, how do you serve
Speaker 3: the marriage?
Speaker 2: How do we.
Speaker 4: Or do you?
Speaker 3: Is there a sense you know when you're you know
Speaker 3: you love someone and you know them very well and
Speaker 3: you're building something together.
Speaker 4: Is there a sense that we're fine? Will tend to
Speaker 4: this later? Yeah? Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: I think we laugh a lot and he's good at
Speaker 2: reminding me to laugh. And it's really good when we
Speaker 2: catch each other off guard and like we might be
Speaker 2: having a absolute shitter, like it's five forty eight, the
Speaker 2: kids are screaming, and we'll just like do some silly
Speaker 2: latsy to each other behind the kitchen counter about just
Speaker 2: like ending at all or something, and that's funny. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: And it it's little moments like that. But also I
Speaker 2: can see when the water is rising on him and
Speaker 2: I'm like, do you need to take the dog for
Speaker 2: a walk or do you want to go call up
Speaker 2: a friend and have dinner? Like we just need to
Speaker 2: make space, I think with one. I mean you'd know
Speaker 2: this from four, But you know it's the more children
Speaker 2: and the more pressures, it's harder to go. Excuse me,
Speaker 2: can I go to? Like the gym is over? I
Speaker 2: still love the gym, and now I just can't. I
Speaker 2: can't justify it.
Speaker 4: What do you do?
Speaker 2: Oh, it doesn't matter anymore? Just wasting really No, I
Speaker 2: like just anything. I really I get in doorphins. That's
Speaker 2: where I get my anxieties out. I've always gone to
Speaker 2: the gym for the head, not the bods so much. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I can, but we try to make space for that.
Speaker 2: But yeah, when it's been like, for example, the shoot,
Speaker 2: they're thirteen fourteen hour days and the weekends just have
Speaker 2: to be the girls. But occasionally I'm like, go up
Speaker 2: to the gym for an hour and then got to
Speaker 2: make room for each other otherwise we'll go crazy. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but also like we're pretty quiet people. Like we love reading,
Speaker 2: we love doing the Sunday or Saturday Sunday quiz with
Speaker 2: Martini when the girls have gone to bed. It's not
Speaker 2: a crazy life. Who gets the most right answers quis tiny.
Speaker 2: I've been pretty good lately. I think I've been surprising
Speaker 2: us both. But he is generally smarter. He's also been
Speaker 2: older than Yes, he's got we're both do you know
Speaker 2: what I mean?
Speaker 4: We're both you of the Dragon twelve years apart.
Speaker 2: But he is a bright boy. He also like studied
Speaker 2: law for three years. I've never set foot in a uni.
Speaker 2: I'm kind of a bit of a but I know
Speaker 2: lots of things that he doesn't like, music and stuff.
Speaker 2: Ah yeah, that'd be where I I shine.
Speaker 3: We'll be back with more from Harriet Dyer after this
Speaker 3: short break, after this period where you're sort of I'm
Speaker 3: going to say, lie fallow, but you won't be You'll
Speaker 3: be plowing the field of your family.
Speaker 2: Yep, yep. Winter. I'm calling it a mental winter. Come
Speaker 2: through it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so you can have a beautiful spring.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 3: What will you do? What will the next project be?
Speaker 3: Because I think you've said you and Patty want to
Speaker 3: do something that is not necessarily comedic.
Speaker 2: We definitely have some drama stuff in us. We also
Speaker 2: want to write something that maybe is drama heavy but
Speaker 2: still funny. I haven't seen that Widow's Bay one, but
Speaker 2: people say that does a good right.
Speaker 3: I also just think, well, Colin was very much like that,
Speaker 3: to be honest. There's a scene that like my favorite
Speaker 3: of yours, when you had your wisdom teeth out. Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: oh my goodness. That was so I cried.
Speaker 2: I laughed and I cried because it was a very
Speaker 2: beautiful tender.
Speaker 4: Yeah it was tender. Yeah, it was really tender.
Speaker 3: But also your comedic stick is Lucille Ball seriously, thank you,
Speaker 3: really accomplished and beautiful and truthful and takes you places
Speaker 3: that you're not anticipating to go. So I think Colin
Speaker 3: already had that, had that gravitask yes.
Speaker 2: A dozen times, like when I called his dad a
Speaker 2: fuck with and he died. That was really shocking. It
Speaker 2: was so very sad. And then they take Kelly, how
Speaker 2: mean what did make of it? I don't actually see,
Speaker 2: but he said, yes, let us. You know, we try
Speaker 2: to put a lot of Aussie singers in, but we
Speaker 2: we also kind of love horror. What we do know
Speaker 2: is that we're going to write something again. It can't
Speaker 2: be another rom com. We can't just also just keep
Speaker 2: wheeling out our chemistry and like right we we we
Speaker 2: have to write a movie soon actually for a big
Speaker 2: company have been waiting for years that is a comedy,
Speaker 2: like a comedy will be in it? Yeah, yeah, right,
Speaker 2: so we have to.
Speaker 4: We can't change your chemistry. No, why would you?
Speaker 2: No, we wouldn't want to.
Speaker 4: But I mean you can dye your hair black.
Speaker 2: But I mean, like we don't want to keep playing
Speaker 2: will they won't they? Right? I mean maybe we could
Speaker 2: do will they?
Speaker 4: Wait?
Speaker 2: They in another period? You know, we can just change
Speaker 2: the world. Like, we've got ideas that don't live in
Speaker 2: this modern romantic world, which is fun kind of just
Speaker 2: a bit bigger. We've got a few more epic ideas.
Speaker 3: But the past, not the future, not the future.
Speaker 2: The future someone wants to go to the future now. Literally,
Speaker 2: I don't want to be here now, you know, the
Speaker 2: future is too scary. But we've got some pasty things.
Speaker 2: But also I think what's ahead for Patty and I
Speaker 2: would be good if he and I did that thing
Speaker 2: where we get an.
Speaker 4: Acting job independent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we can go how's your day? Because I
Speaker 2: wasn't just there for the whole thing, because I know
Speaker 2: his whole day. Even this, I'm like, we've been doing
Speaker 2: press all day for Colin. He's now doing something else
Speaker 2: and I'll get to ask him how was it, having
Speaker 2: a nice time?
Speaker 4: Well, even get to miss him a bit having done this.
Speaker 3: He knows what you're doing doing, He's experienced this.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it'd be good to tell each other some stories.
Speaker 4: It is get a bit of yes.
Speaker 2: Whatever that is. It didn't come back together and write.
Speaker 3: Something nice to bring the outside world into your relationship.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because people go, oh, my work, wife, my work husband,
Speaker 2: and it's like my work husband looks so much like
Speaker 2: my real husband. Weird, but it's good. Like I think
Speaker 2: if you I married the right person to do this with,
Speaker 2: do you know what I mean? And I like to
Speaker 2: think he did too.
Speaker 4: I think he thinks that good.
Speaker 3: I think he thinks that when he had done Priora
Speaker 3: and you were in the audience that night, Yeah, there
Speaker 3: was such cha a lovely response to you being in
Speaker 3: the audience, which was just kind of this, you know,
Speaker 3: Tita went through the audience and then it was like Harry,
Speaker 3: people going, oh Harry. It was a sort of good
Speaker 3: ay Harry sort of.
Speaker 2: And you gave a kind of you know, he did
Speaker 2: a little shout out, which was c It was really cute.
Speaker 4: Do you feel a difference in Australia when you're out
Speaker 4: and about and on the street, Like do you.
Speaker 2: Get There was a bit more. It came out around
Speaker 2: April April May was weird, just a few more lookie louse.
Speaker 2: I think I fly under the radar. So if I'm
Speaker 2: out without him, especially without hair and makeup, no one,
Speaker 2: I don't. I'm right under And that's how I like it.
Speaker 2: But Patty kind of just looks like Paddy Ye all
Speaker 2: the time, so I'm with if I'm with him, I
Speaker 2: do notice it. But yeah, it's weird because on a
Speaker 2: weekend we try to get out and about with the
Speaker 2: girls and there's a few LOOKI loose And it's not
Speaker 2: weird though. And Australians are so kind of cool and
Speaker 2: there's that no one you know, to all popping on
Speaker 2: likes anyone to be too. No, everyone's pretty cool about it.
Speaker 3: Yes, but in America we have been there for eight years.
Speaker 2: But I do think because that's a massive it is
Speaker 2: a big jump.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a big jump, and it's the perception around
Speaker 3: it is different as well.
Speaker 2: And yeah, we work in we live in kind of
Speaker 2: like a neighborhood with there's a lot of writers and
Speaker 2: so yeah, and so I think people notice have noticed
Speaker 2: us from Colin around our neighborhood and they're much more
Speaker 2: of a both so come and be like I love
Speaker 2: your show and you're like, oh, thank you. But I
Speaker 2: think maybe if we went to Beverly Hills, no one
Speaker 2: would know. It's like it's different, there's different crowds. Actually
Speaker 2: that's not true. Like I booked a table for me
Speaker 2: and my parents about two years ago in Beverly Hills
Speaker 2: at this little restaurant they love, and they were like,
Speaker 2: my mum checked in and they said, is that the
Speaker 2: actress Harriett died? And I was like absolutely thrown. Anyone
Speaker 2: on Rodeo Drive would know. So that is a there's
Speaker 2: sometimes but I think I'm a little bit blind to
Speaker 2: that stuff, maybe well to protect to keep the channel clear.
Speaker 2: Sometimes my friends will be like, oh, they're looking at you,
Speaker 2: and I don't notice it. But I think that's an
Speaker 2: unconscious protection. It's my dad's leg. Yeah, I don't want
Speaker 2: to know. Also, I don't think it very interesting. You
Speaker 2: know who does well, there is an appetite for it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's true. And there's an appetite for people to know
Speaker 2: stuff about Patty and I because we work as a
Speaker 2: couple and so I do feel very protective of that,
Speaker 2: very protective of the girls as well. Yes, And that's
Speaker 2: like you know before when we were talking about hills
Speaker 2: you die on like that was a bit of preemp
Speaker 2: like I'm pretty protective of them, and yeah, anyone will
Speaker 2: be that's mama bearshit, that's.
Speaker 4: That's a good hill today.
Speaker 2: It's a good hill to die. Just like I don't
Speaker 2: know just our story, their story. That's the stuff that
Speaker 2: is just for us, which I think.
Speaker 4: Is which he shared.
Speaker 3: You know, when we were talking about when he first
Speaker 3: told you that he couldn't have his own children. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's right, his own from his own bodily, his.
Speaker 2: Own bodily function.
Speaker 4: He couldn't carry the children.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he can't get pregnant, he doesn't carry them.
Speaker 4: And then he got quite emotional, I think.
Speaker 3: In talking about how not not not This wasn't his
Speaker 3: initial response, but I interpreted it as the whole thing
Speaker 3: about how very matter of fact you were about that,
Speaker 3: because for him, that's a big thing to say to
Speaker 3: a woman. Yes, it could be a deal breaker, and
Speaker 3: for you it wasn't a deal breaker. It was like
Speaker 3: a deal maker because you're like, Okay, this is what
Speaker 3: we'll do.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't know why it wasn't more of a deal breaker,
Speaker 2: because logically or on paper, that would be. But we
Speaker 2: were just sell in love that I was like, well,
Speaker 2: that's our lot. If that's his lot and he didn't
Speaker 2: choose this and I choose him, then that's who I chose.
Speaker 2: And so I didn't feel Yeah, there were certain people
Speaker 2: around me going but are you sure you know that's
Speaker 2: a big thing to like say no to, but really
Speaker 2: it's I'm also saying yes to something else, which I
Speaker 2: think has been really powerful. And yeah, I wouldn't change
Speaker 2: any of it. It was very powerful for him as well. Yeah, yea,
Speaker 2: I locks.
Speaker 3: Parenthood unlocks in most people. It unlocks a different capacity
Speaker 3: in you, it does, Yeah, and in him. He spoke
Speaker 3: about really feeling that he'd been given things from the
Speaker 3: treasures of the world that he would not have had otherwise,
Speaker 3: and it was very beautiful.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: When you look at your body of work, do you
Speaker 3: think it's affected by you.
Speaker 4: Being a mum? Oh?
Speaker 2: Like the depth of it?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you know, I.
Speaker 2: Don't think I've had to really call upon.
Speaker 4: Stuff, you know.
Speaker 2: For example, his performance in this Apple show coming up,
Speaker 2: last scene comes out I think on Apple in September.
Speaker 2: I'm spoaking another show of pastres. I can see the
Speaker 2: father in him, right, Yeah, he's unbelievably beautiful in that.
Speaker 2: I don't think I've done a role yet as a
Speaker 2: mom that has lent itself to needing that kind of way.
Speaker 2: I haven't haven't cleared it. I haven't got I haven't
Speaker 2: had like the drama thing, right, But what it has
Speaker 2: done is I'm definitely like it's even just in any
Speaker 2: work you know, comedy, I it's it's enriched, it enriches
Speaker 2: everything because I take it all a little bit less seriously,
Speaker 2: maybe because I've got this bigger thing at home.
Speaker 4: Because what you're doing has to be worth.
Speaker 2: It, yes, exactly, and so I don't whittle it away.
Speaker 2: I go, well, if I'm here, I'm gonna be really
Speaker 2: good because if I'm here, I'm not with them, so
Speaker 2: it better be good, but be better, better enjoy it.
Speaker 2: Where sometimes when you work with people without kids, they
Speaker 2: can really get it stuck in the weeds and stuff.
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, I've got to shout out, can
Speaker 2: we just do it? Make it good? And go like,
Speaker 2: but I haven't, No, it hasn't kind of I haven't
Speaker 2: used it. So to speaking.
Speaker 4: The drama stuff, yeah, to say what that stretch.
Speaker 2: I'm a bit funny about using kind of with technical
Speaker 2: acting stuff, especially if you're doing something drama. I'm a
Speaker 2: bit funny about thinking about people real things. Like Amanda
Speaker 2: Sefrieds talked about this with OCD, like she will never
Speaker 2: think about her children if she's doing something sad like
Speaker 2: it just feels a bit like there's some bad magic
Speaker 2: touch in there. And I think I was already doing
Speaker 2: some big dramatic performances, like I did a big one
Speaker 2: in Wakefield where I had I was playing with someone
Speaker 2: with bipolar and I was in a home like an institution,
Speaker 2: and I'm proud of that, and that.
Speaker 4: Was before kids.
Speaker 2: I think I've always had a there's a place I
Speaker 2: can pull from, and at that place, probably I don't know,
Speaker 2: hasn't been tested. But I definitely see the father in
Speaker 2: Patty's performance in September that when that comes out, because
Speaker 2: also he's playing a dad who's lost something. But I
Speaker 2: don't know, there's funny. Yeah, I don't want to you
Speaker 2: don't want to like think of something that couldn't happen,
Speaker 2: or you can just kind of try to be technical
Speaker 2: about it or listen like to a really sad song
Speaker 2: that's a good way of getting to the place, yeah,
Speaker 2: rather than compromise a real person or something. But I
Speaker 2: don't know. I think I think just you, I think
Speaker 2: I'm maybe more strong physically that kind of stuff. You know,
Speaker 2: we all get stronger and in the brain and the
Speaker 2: borders not if we don't go to the gym, the gym.
Speaker 2: This is true, that's I missed the gym. Yeah, maybe
Speaker 2: you'll go to the gym.
Speaker 4: Go to the gym and also get it put in
Speaker 4: your contract.
Speaker 2: I should have asked for a treadmill stationary bike on
Speaker 2: the set.
Speaker 4: You notice what that guy asked for.
Speaker 2: But you know what he's fit.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right, and he's got a big TV.
Speaker 2: My god, he got it done. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, may be watching yourself on the big TV.
Speaker 2: Probably should Yeah.
Speaker 3: Hey, when you think about the future and it's with
Speaker 3: u K, thank you, I'm very happy to run away together.
Speaker 3: But you know, there's a thing I remember my mate
Speaker 3: Angus Sampson was talking about his boys not wanting them
Speaker 3: to grow up with an American accent.
Speaker 2: Addington and Montgomery. There you go, I know, those little fellas. Yeah,
Speaker 2: do you have a similar thing for the girls? Do
Speaker 2: you have a pull to Australia or And I know
Speaker 2: that you're at the moment you don't really have time
Speaker 2: to be anywhere. Yeah, that's an interesting one because Angus's
Speaker 2: kids are his and Miranda's kids. Right. Our kids are
Speaker 2: half Africa. They're born in Tampa, Florida, and they are
Speaker 2: African American, so you've got well half, so I don't
Speaker 2: feel as proprietorial over their cultrol exactly right. I actually
Speaker 2: think probably I've done something right if they don't sound
Speaker 2: astray for them. But we do have an eye to
Speaker 2: move to Sydney again, right, So we're just we're just
Speaker 2: working on that, on what that looks like. Obviously Australia
Speaker 2: is much safer place to bring up kids, right, easier, easier.
Speaker 2: Our parents are here, our siblings are here, so we're
Speaker 2: coming back accent or not, right, but I wouldn't have
Speaker 2: ever gone. I don't want them to sound American because
Speaker 2: they have American passports. Yeah, right, of course they're so American.
Speaker 3: And then what do you That's an interesting thing that
Speaker 3: when you've got children who have a culturally different background,
Speaker 3: how do you serve that or do you have you
Speaker 3: thought about that year?
Speaker 2: How you totally it's an interesting one. Like Joanie has
Speaker 2: they both have really textured hair.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you've had to learn.
Speaker 2: I've had to learn some mum's got a she's just
Speaker 2: there you go. It's a different it's so different. Maybel
Speaker 2: still is just a baby, So we leave hers, but Joni,
Speaker 2: like everywhere we go, we make sure we find a
Speaker 2: black hair stylist that she's comfortable with, and we make
Speaker 2: we give her people. I don't want a white person
Speaker 2: to have a go. If it's not me, I'll have
Speaker 2: a go. But then I want her to be in
Speaker 2: the right hands, with the right products, with the right techniques.
Speaker 2: And we've managed to find them everywhere we've been, Like,
Speaker 2: we had an amazing woman on my set in Montreal
Speaker 2: who was working on the show, so Johny got to
Speaker 2: come to set and see in the hair trailer, which
Speaker 2: is also pretty cool.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's fun.
Speaker 2: But right now we've got this awesome woman in the
Speaker 2: night Junction Westfield. You just did a corn Rose yesterday.
Speaker 2: But we just make sure that that's taken care of.
Speaker 2: But it's tricky because we do feel a responsibility for
Speaker 2: them to grow up in a space where there's some
Speaker 2: color reflected, you know, Like I don't know what school
Speaker 2: that is yet in Sydney, Patty, and I've always wanted
Speaker 2: to live in the East, but like, oh my goodness,
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's reflected there.
Speaker 4: It also like sometimes I think the children will show
Speaker 4: you the way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I will say it's in our minds. We
Speaker 2: don't want them to Like the other day, Johnny said
Speaker 2: to me, I want to go to school with people
Speaker 2: who have hair like me and like that that hits yeah,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, well, you know, we're going back to
Speaker 2: La Bubba and we'll see there because I don't want
Speaker 2: her to feel too different. But then you've got you've
Speaker 2: got places like International Grammar School where it's such a
Speaker 2: mix of like in Australia, it's so diverse. It's just
Speaker 2: that so happens. Where we're living in Sydney right now
Speaker 2: is smelt and that's our folly foible. I don't know
Speaker 2: what the word is, it's an f We fucked up.
Speaker 2: But she's okay, she's four and we are on it.
Speaker 2: But I think it would be silly for us to
Speaker 2: transplant them and just PLoP them right in the middle
Speaker 2: of some super white and act like it's nothing yeah,
Speaker 2: and be like we don't see color. It's like, well,
Speaker 2: that's actually not good enough. You think that that's like
Speaker 2: anti racist, but it's not like you've got to see
Speaker 2: color because they see color and they want to see
Speaker 2: it around.
Speaker 3: And also coming from the States that has just a
Speaker 3: broader color palette generally is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, La is pretty pretty segregated.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we haven't even nailed it there. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: we are working on it, and I think as long
Speaker 2: as we're aware of.
Speaker 3: It, are they do they show? I mean, Mabel's too young,
Speaker 3: but is Joni performance oriented at all?
Speaker 2: Last night we did a little bit of acting right
Speaker 2: because I said, I said, I'm going to act something out.
Speaker 2: I was just being silly, like a charade's there, and
Speaker 2: she goes on my turn to act and she's so funny.
Speaker 2: She is very outgoing. She's not shy. She's not Harry
Speaker 2: behind the leg. No, she's Joanie and she she's a CEO.
Speaker 2: That girl, I don't know. She just came out that way.
Speaker 2: Mabel's a lot more attached to me. She's just more shy,
Speaker 2: and so we'll just see how that goes. I saw
Speaker 2: this beautiful thing was it was on bloody Instagram, but
Speaker 2: it was John c Riley talking about parenting. Did you
Speaker 2: see that?
Speaker 4: I know what you say?
Speaker 2: So before he became a parent, So now I'm just
Speaker 2: stealing his podcast. He thought, nature know it. She would
Speaker 2: be like fifty to fifty and then his girls came
Speaker 2: out and he was like, no, you are you? Are you?
Speaker 2: And you are you, yes, And I can't nurture you
Speaker 2: into being this or that, right, I just have to
Speaker 2: take care of who you are and pay attention to it.
Speaker 2: And so I just sometimes Joonie can be really gregarious
Speaker 2: and a little bit too much of a handful, and
Speaker 2: it's on me to just try not to give that
Speaker 2: like negative words like I want to nurture that into
Speaker 2: something that she's proud of, and she just that's her
Speaker 2: strength rather exactly, rather than I'm annoying or something.
Speaker 3: I do think children are like a packet of mystery seeds.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that's good, and it's really good in the ground.
Speaker 3: You don't know if you're going to get a sunflower orny,
Speaker 3: but I think you can. You can't make child because
Speaker 3: like you see, they are what they already are.
Speaker 2: But you can break a child one hundred. The nurse
Speaker 2: on our set is our mascot on colin. Her name
Speaker 2: is Nurse Virginia, and she said you can break a
Speaker 2: spirit out of a child, but you can't put it
Speaker 2: in and you knock it out or something. But with
Speaker 2: that mystery seeds, I think that's really apt for everyone,
Speaker 2: but especially for adoption. We can't even go oh, that's
Speaker 2: Dad's nos. No, that's right. Yes, And so the Mystery
Speaker 2: Seeds is so exciting because it's all different and it's brilliant,
Speaker 2: and I think there's something really cool about because I
Speaker 2: don't know the opposite. I don't know what it's like
Speaker 2: to be like that's so you yeah right.
Speaker 3: But also now you don't necessarily get that anyway, by
Speaker 3: the way, with the genetic lottery, you don't necessarily see
Speaker 3: a reflection of anything that you know.
Speaker 2: And that these friends are just like produce their husbands.
Speaker 2: Just god, that's right at least, I just I've just
Speaker 2: got this mystery packet. But it's really cool and I
Speaker 2: do oh yeah, I think motherhood is really interesting. It
Speaker 2: just keeps presenting more and more to think about it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's a huge streetch and everyone talks about the newborn.
Speaker 2: It's like that's yeah, that's easy. Yeah, compared to like,
Speaker 2: how do I talk to you about it? I don't
Speaker 2: have two teenage girls yet. Yeah, girl, see this is
Speaker 2: the thing. I'm not even.
Speaker 3: Girls are look, I think girls context girls, three boys
Speaker 3: and one girl. Oh yeah, and the three boys combined
Speaker 3: were a walk in the park.
Speaker 2: Compared to girly well, yeah, but it's great. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: there was a period how old is she now? She's
Speaker 2: twenty one? Oh wow, yeah, adult And at the time
Speaker 2: where we were really kind of.
Speaker 3: So shocked because you always hear these people are like
Speaker 3: teenage girls, and I was always like, e not going
Speaker 3: to happen to ask. Yeah, well, it's you know, light life,
Speaker 3: it's ultimately it's going to humble you. God yeah, God yeah.
Speaker 3: And now she's kind of come out the other end.
Speaker 3: But I remember this friend of mine saying we were
Speaker 3: living in Italy at the time, and this Swedish mum
Speaker 3: who had an older daughter, kept saying to me, don't
Speaker 3: shut the door, Katie, don't shut the door on her.
Speaker 3: And sometimes I was like, Joanna, I not only want
Speaker 3: to shut the door, I want to put every piece yeah,
Speaker 3: and put every piece of furniture I've gotten.
Speaker 2: In that and it's really beautiful now. But yeah, it is.
Speaker 3: The stretch continues, gosh, girl, it's great, but it's not easy.
Speaker 4: But I can't think of anything good that is easy.
Speaker 2: Exactly, can you? Two minute noodles?
Speaker 4: I don't think they're good.
Speaker 2: They're not good for you. I don't think they're good.
Speaker 2: So they really up right now?
Speaker 4: And gluten free.
Speaker 2: I am it helps with my endometriosis. Heard of it? Yeah? Right, yeah,
Speaker 2: it helps with the end Have you always known?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: I got surgery about good Lord about eighteen months ago,
Speaker 2: just before Mabel was born, and they were like, oh,
Speaker 2: and you know, the only way they can really tell
Speaker 2: that you've got it is getting in there. And he
Speaker 2: was like, and when I woke up. We took about
Speaker 2: eight nine and they took my appendix.
Speaker 4: But oh they took Europe.
Speaker 2: It looked busted and endo can hit the appendix. But
Speaker 2: then they tested it and it was fine.
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, put it back.
Speaker 2: Like Chinese medicine wants that back in, you know, but
Speaker 2: they took it. I was a bit cross.
Speaker 4: Have you noticed anything? What do you mean do you
Speaker 4: feel different.
Speaker 2: Since the surgery? I was really good for about six months,
Speaker 2: and then the pain and the really bad period started again.
Speaker 2: So then I got an I.
Speaker 4: U D right. Did they help? Yes?
Speaker 2: I mean it's just put It's like ever played a
Speaker 2: piano with the muton?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, they've just muted, just muted my system,
Speaker 2: which is also a bit scary because I know something's brilly.
Speaker 2: I know I've got a chronic condition. Maybe it's not. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but what I have noticed this is if even with
Speaker 2: the idea, if I'm not on, if I don't eat gluten,
Speaker 2: I have less pelvic pain. Right, So anyone's listening, they've
Speaker 2: got pelvic pain. And it's not digestive. It's definitely of
Speaker 2: the inflammation. Yeah, but it's boring. But yeah, it was
Speaker 2: just a weird time. I was like, I just I'm suffering.
Speaker 2: These periods are nuts.
Speaker 4: What do you eat now?
Speaker 2: Then?
Speaker 4: What do you say?
Speaker 2: Rice?
Speaker 4: Is okay?
Speaker 2: I eat everything just like GF but not oh yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: like today we had an avocado toast. It was gfy.
Speaker 4: Does everyone eat what you eat?
Speaker 2: Now? Do you just get I sometimes make different pasta
Speaker 2: for me, but I don't really. I mean, it's a
Speaker 2: weird time.
Speaker 4: Are you a cook?
Speaker 2: Not really? I'd like to No, it were too busy.
Speaker 2: But we all to Matilda Brown's company, the good Food Company.
Speaker 2: I'm just didn't give them a big Oh. I've spent
Speaker 2: so much money at that company and they do food
Speaker 2: that's gluten free and that's freezing meals and we just
Speaker 2: have lived. We live on.
Speaker 4: Because I spoke to her mum on no filters, Well.
Speaker 2: I love that whole family. Bryan Brown can stay. I
Speaker 2: love that man. I love Rachel, don't know her, love Matilda,
Speaker 2: but yeah, they they take care of us. That they
Speaker 2: don't take it, but that takes care of our family.
Speaker 2: That food good because it's really good food and it
Speaker 2: is gluten free. And then you might put a rice
Speaker 2: or something with that. But I liked cooking before life
Speaker 2: got crazy. Yes, I do like it. I'm like Patti
Speaker 2: called me, I'm the zen chef. I don't need the
Speaker 2: recipe recipe, but I'm more feel also like doing a
Speaker 2: bit of that. You know what's in the cupboard? Oh wow,
Speaker 2: I can covered surprise.
Speaker 3: This is like a little bit like your approach to life,
Speaker 3: is it? Don't you think that You're like when when
Speaker 3: this is in season, this is what we'll do?
Speaker 2: Yep. I try to be Yeah, there's no control in this.
Speaker 2: This has been the biggest lesson of my vocation is
Speaker 2: that I've got girlfriends who are like, should we do
Speaker 2: Italy for our fortieth or like will you be in
Speaker 2: my wedding? And I'm like, I've never I can never
Speaker 2: say yes.
Speaker 4: Yes.
Speaker 2: We just have to keep going where the tide takes us.
Speaker 2: And now it's getting a little harder as the kids
Speaker 2: get bigger. But like I have to kind of be
Speaker 2: a happy cork on the tide, but now I am
Speaker 2: trying to plow the water down a little. Yes, you
Speaker 2: have a plan a little bit, but you know what,
Speaker 2: we could get an email tomorrow that changes all that, Like, oh,
Speaker 2: they like you for this, but trying to If you
Speaker 2: don't get an email, I'd like an email, but in
Speaker 2: a minute, em, let's call it in a minute, you know.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: There's also the concept Harry of saying no, that you
Speaker 3: can plan.
Speaker 4: What you want.
Speaker 3: You can go to the calendar and put in your
Speaker 3: girlfriend's fortieth six, yeah, and then work around that.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I would like to know it's my
Speaker 2: sister's fortieth and September. But Patty's on his world tour
Speaker 2: for last Scene, right, like whatever it's called last scene. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I can't surprise her and Sydney, right because they
Speaker 2: will have no parents. He's doing Last Sunday, New York.
Speaker 2: So it's two it's two people's craziness too.
Speaker 4: How your sister directed, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Madeline, Yeah, four EPs.
Speaker 4: She's amazing in Colin. So it's a real family.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my dad and my brother were also extras in
Speaker 2: a bait and there's a man choir and they sing it.
Speaker 2: Oh that's kicking, and Mum probably would love to be
Speaker 2: in it.
Speaker 4: Sorry, Mum, she's desperate. It's not in it.
Speaker 2: You know what. I really fucked that up.
Speaker 4: You've got to come back to another series.
Speaker 2: Dad was an extra in season one too, and she
Speaker 2: was like, right, but mom deserves to be that. But
Speaker 2: she would. She probably lose sleep over it. It's so
Speaker 2: stressful being on camera if you're not used to it.
Speaker 2: She could be an extra, Yeah, she could be. But
Speaker 2: also they live in Townsville. It's a whole thing.
Speaker 4: I know the producers. I slept with them and so
Speaker 4: does she.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she bore me.
Speaker 4: How dire. You're a piece of gold.
Speaker 2: Oh that's very nice of you.
Speaker 4: Thank you for.
Speaker 3: You did something really beautiful with Colin, which is showed
Speaker 3: the rest of the world a type of Australian philosophy
Speaker 3: that I think is really lovely. Yeah, you know, perfect
Speaker 3: and it's imperfection.
Speaker 2: Yeah, messy, but got heart, a lot of heart. That's
Speaker 2: what we were going for. And we spoke to someone
Speaker 2: today said that some of the characters, they find them
Speaker 2: a bit mean, and I thought, oh, maybe that's just
Speaker 2: your where you're but they've got everyone, but there's a
Speaker 2: lot of warmth as well.
Speaker 4: Everyone's got mean in them. Everyone's got mean, and.
Speaker 2: Mean is like safe in a way. I hope it's
Speaker 2: not too mean. Is it too mean?
Speaker 3: I think if it was too mean, people wouldn't love
Speaker 3: it the way they do. Yeah, but I think it
Speaker 3: is refreshing to see people that allow themselves that, yeah,
Speaker 3: to be a bit grootdy yeah, yeah, and like to
Speaker 3: call someone's stat of fuck with and then he dies.
Speaker 4: Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, yeah, but thank you. We definitely tried
Speaker 2: to just, I don't know, do something, do something different. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that also felt kind of I don't know of people
Speaker 2: of the vernacular, did it.
Speaker 4: Were you surprised by the reception?
Speaker 2: Yeah, hugely. We just remember we walked out of the
Speaker 2: edit in season one, watching the sunset over annandale backpacks
Speaker 2: on our shoulders and were like, we have no idea
Speaker 2: if that's any good, but we like it. And that
Speaker 2: was how we ended that, and then they asked for
Speaker 2: more and we feel a bit similar now, but no,
Speaker 2: we're just so excited to get it out there. Now,
Speaker 2: because it's just it feels like it feels like we're
Speaker 2: I've never been pressed, but I feel about forty.
Speaker 4: Eight weeks right, it's an elephant gestation out yeah, right,
Speaker 4: I have a horrible feeling you're going to do something heartbreaking.
Speaker 4: Don't tell me.
Speaker 3: You're okay, am I okay, You're okay, okay, it's safe
Speaker 3: to love safe, You're okay, okay, you're okay.
Speaker 4: Thanks, Harry, I love you.
Speaker 2: Oh. I shouldn't have been scared.
Speaker 4: You shouldn't have been scared. Oh.
Speaker 3: One of the things I loved about this conversation was
Speaker 3: Harry's honesty about success because from the outside, her career,
Speaker 3: like many successful people's careers, could look effortless, but behind
Speaker 3: it are years of rejection, uncertainty, hard work, and a
Speaker 3: willingness to keep putting herself in uncomfortable situations even when
Speaker 3: she was scared. It's also a reminder that some of
Speaker 3: the best creative partnerships aren't built on perfection. They're built
Speaker 3: on trust, curiosity, and finding someone who believes in you
Speaker 3: as much as you believe in them. The third and
Speaker 3: final season of Colin from Accounts is streaming now. If
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