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Speaker 2: Now, let's get into the episode. Yeah, because people go, oh,
Speaker 2: my work wife, my work husband, and it's like that
Speaker 2: smoke that is my work husband looks so much like
Speaker 2: my real husband. Weird, but it's good. Like I think,
Speaker 2: if you I married the right person to do this with,
Speaker 2: do you know what I mean? And I like to
Speaker 2: think he did too.
Speaker 3: Harriet Dyer has become one of Australia's biggest television success stories.
Speaker 3: She's the co creator, writer and star of Colin from Account,
Speaker 3: the little Australian comedy that became an international hit and
Speaker 3: made audiences around the world fall in love with Harry
Speaker 3: and her husband, Patrick Bramle. But Harriet will tell you
Speaker 3: she's never been the loudest person in the room. She
Speaker 3: describes herself as genuinely shy, the kind of child who
Speaker 3: hid behind her dad's leg on the first day of school,
Speaker 3: and the kind of actor who was rejected from Nider
Speaker 3: twice before finding another way. In this conversation, Harriet talks
Speaker 3: about growing up in Townsville, building a career one rejection
Speaker 3: at a time, falling in love with Patrick, becoming a mother,
Speaker 3: and creating one of Australia's most beloved television shows. It's
Speaker 3: a conversation about creativity, partnership and what happens when you
Speaker 3: keep saying yes to things that scare you. This is
Speaker 3: Harriet Dyer. Oh, Harry Dyer, Yeah, babe.
Speaker 4: Welcome to no Filter.
Speaker 2: Great.
Speaker 4: You said you were nervous. Why are you nervous?
Speaker 2: Because I like a filter? Oh okay, filter It says none.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it says none.
Speaker 2: And I think I need one. People close to.
Speaker 3: Me are like, oh, if you're unfiltered, it's a problem,
Speaker 3: is it, really?
Speaker 2: I just get an overshare hangover?
Speaker 4: Oh okay, yeah, Well I think a lot of people do.
Speaker 3: But I'm always reminded of Jude Lucy said once in
Speaker 3: her stand up years ago. Famous people are always like,
Speaker 3: I'm not going to talk about my private life, and
Speaker 3: she said, I'm always like, why not. You are in
Speaker 3: a slightly different situation now because you have gone from
Speaker 3: a beloved domestic product of ours and friend.
Speaker 2: Too international little bit. But also it's like I think,
Speaker 2: I think I'm truly shy, but this job keeps forcing
Speaker 2: me to not be that. And now I have little kids,
Speaker 2: I'm like, that's your personality, Like you're that kind of
Speaker 2: and we nurture I mean in the kids you can
Speaker 2: see their personality. And then I think back to there
Speaker 2: was this video of my first day of school when
Speaker 2: I was five in Townsville, and like I would not
Speaker 2: come out from behind my dad's leg, behind the couch.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so shy at school.
Speaker 2: This was like in the house getting ready and my
Speaker 2: hand in my mouth, head down. My sister two years old,
Speaker 2: was like it's Harry's first day and she was ready
Speaker 2: to go, and I was like not coping. But then
Speaker 2: that year at school, I think I had to learn
Speaker 2: to pull something out because it was a pretty rough school.
Speaker 2: We moved schools after that, but our first year, our
Speaker 2: year one class had eighteen teachers. I think the kids
Speaker 2: were so fair. What do you mean, Kepaving oh you're kidding,
Speaker 2: you know how it's like one a one yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: we were just like one question.
Speaker 4: It's just like.
Speaker 2: There is no teacher to this crew. They were feral.
Speaker 4: What in first year?
Speaker 2: We're five years old and and and they just kept leaving.
Speaker 2: And I think in a in an effort to survive,
Speaker 2: I just got quite good at I don't know, being
Speaker 2: funny you're.
Speaker 3: Right, or diffusing, diffusing a situation that you could feel
Speaker 3: was happening, even about like join.
Speaker 4: The rabble, you're right.
Speaker 2: And so now I'm like in this industry where it's like,
Speaker 2: you know, beyond and be good at it. My party
Speaker 2: is really good at it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I ye, he has got a real kind
Speaker 3: of ease. There doesn't seem to be a demarcation with him.
Speaker 3: He's him and him and sort of private him.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Obviously he's more himself at home. But he's not that different.
Speaker 4: Do you think you are? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm I'm an introbute.
Speaker 4: But see, I think a lot of performers.
Speaker 2: I'm not alone there for yes, but I yeah, I
Speaker 2: just get anxious about I don't. I don't, I don't.
Speaker 2: I am scared of being misunderstood or something. But also
Speaker 2: I've got to remember that the best version of me
Speaker 2: is the one that relaxes.
Speaker 3: Yes, And it's just because when you're tight, and it's
Speaker 3: not gonna be good.
Speaker 2: No, okay, we don't want that. We don't want that happening,
Speaker 2: we say next to that one.
Speaker 3: But but like, okay, so I had a very beautiful
Speaker 3: encounter with your husband.
Speaker 2: I'm so sorry you had to talk to.
Speaker 4: Him really.
Speaker 3: Actually not in front of him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's you know, I'm so gross. I don't want
Speaker 2: to hurt his feeling.
Speaker 3: But he spoke, you know, when someone just speaks with
Speaker 3: love about someone, Yes, and not only I was talking
Speaker 3: to a girlfriend about this recently. Who's for the first
Speaker 3: time really going out with someone who approves of them?
Speaker 3: You know that difference his total approval of you is
Speaker 3: really beautiful and it's launched like a great adventure for
Speaker 3: you to creatively as well as well as personally.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's in my corner for sure.
Speaker 3: But when you were little five year old Harry hiding
Speaker 3: behind your dad's leg, like, who, what were you like then?
Speaker 3: And what was TOWNSV like?
Speaker 2: Well, I really I really think I found myself in performance.
Speaker 2: So it wasn't just in like surviving that rabble of kids.
Speaker 2: But I got really quickly into dance and speech and drama, right, yes, singing.
Speaker 4: So they offered that at school.
Speaker 2: No, I did a lot of extracurriculus.
Speaker 4: I can.
Speaker 2: And also there's a really active amateur theater scene in Townsville,
Speaker 2: really huge dram babe, And so we were by the
Speaker 2: time I was seven, I was doing like I was
Speaker 2: in musicals to big, you know, six hundred seater and
Speaker 2: what musicals? First one was Annie, but my sister was Annie,
Speaker 2: and I was Molly. Oh right, che on the curly
Speaker 2: red wig.
Speaker 4: It's a hard not life back.
Speaker 2: And I loved that, and I think I got kind
Speaker 2: of bitten by the bug of performing. And that's where
Speaker 2: I realized. I was like, oh, this is me, and
Speaker 2: I don't I know how to show all my feathers here, right.
Speaker 2: And also people clap and they don't care when you
Speaker 2: do a math test.
Speaker 4: No, no, they don't.
Speaker 3: In fact, these they discouraged that it's really only at
Speaker 3: school athletics. Yeah, those people get a lot of applause.
Speaker 3: They're driven by something else.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: But and performance, yeah.
Speaker 2: And there's something in it which feels like the antithesis
Speaker 2: of it, but you can hide in it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you're showing yourself yes and yet not yes.
Speaker 2: Like poor Jess out there wanted me to walk around
Speaker 2: the office and look at everyone's dog and do like
Speaker 2: a social thing, and I started to die a bit,
Speaker 2: right because I don't know how to just walk around
Speaker 2: and be funny right like people have been like, you
Speaker 2: should just stand up, and I'm like, I will fall
Speaker 2: into a pile of ashes, like that woman cremated herself.
Speaker 4: Well done.
Speaker 2: But I can do it if I'm someone else. So
Speaker 2: it's so good. If I'm like Ashley and Colin or
Speaker 2: a in a play, that's just the best. So I
Speaker 2: feel like, you know, impenetrable.
Speaker 3: But also I think stand up is a very I've
Speaker 3: spent a lot of my life working with stand up comedians,
Speaker 3: mostly me, and I think it's a very different media
Speaker 3: because it's not collaborative. No, So a comedian is like
Speaker 3: that's you will all sit there in the dark, listen,
Speaker 3: I will have a spotlight on me and I will
Speaker 3: make you laugh nightmare, whereas your work is very collaborative.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, never alone.
Speaker 4: Yeah true.
Speaker 2: And I've not done a one woman show, but even that,
Speaker 2: you've got a direct eye. You've got you've got some crew, yes,
Speaker 2: but yeah, no, I do like and you're collaborating with
Speaker 2: the audience, I supposeactly. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: But then at what point did you go, did Molly
Speaker 3: go this is I could have a career in this right?
Speaker 3: At what point did you go or that it was
Speaker 3: more than just something that you enjoyed as a kid?
Speaker 2: I kept winning awards, did only in humble brag. I couldn't.
Speaker 2: I can't help, But the answer is I kept getting
Speaker 2: trophies boom, right, and and you kind of got to
Speaker 2: listen to the feedback. Like the feedback was good. And
Speaker 2: then it became a bit like not just towns for feedback,
Speaker 2: but like North Queensland and Queensland feedback, and like there
Speaker 2: was some big competition the Festival of One Act Plays
Speaker 2: or something, and they had so many participants and I
Speaker 2: think I was about twelve, and I won Best Actor
Speaker 2: in the whole thing. Oh and I was up against
Speaker 2: like adults.
Speaker 4: What was it?
Speaker 2: What was I can't remember what you did? I can't remember.
Speaker 2: Maybe I was playing like a funny old lady a right,
Speaker 2: but this adjudicator from Brisbane political well, it just big, big, big, smile.
Speaker 2: He was like, this kid's got it, and so I
Speaker 2: just was like, I think I've got to listen to that.
Speaker 2: And also I wasn't excelling in anything else.
Speaker 4: Oh pretty good at music, right, yes?
Speaker 2: Almost almost. Actually I applied to do jazz vocal performance
Speaker 2: at the Conservatorium of Music in Queensland and I got
Speaker 2: in on my singing, but I failed the theory test right,
Speaker 2: and they're like, if you do six months hardcore theory,
Speaker 2: it will pop you in. And I thought boring, but
Speaker 2: you were a scatter. I was doing a minute a
Speaker 2: little bit and now I'm like, wow, if they'd accepted me,
Speaker 2: we wouldn't be city talking.
Speaker 3: Well reck is interesting because they knew you. Also auditioned
Speaker 3: for NIDER.
Speaker 2: YEP, didn't get in. Twice YEP didn't get in, Which
Speaker 2: is I never auditioned for NIDER. I auditioned for VCA.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, did I get into that? Didn't get I
Speaker 2: don't think I auditioned for v.
Speaker 4: But it can be.
Speaker 3: Nider are famously bruising and how was it for you?
Speaker 3: Can you remember the first time?
Speaker 2: I remember I remember a terrible moment where they just
Speaker 2: they're sitting there just kind of telling you what life's like.
Speaker 2: And I'm from Townsville as I as I've mentioned, and
Speaker 2: I had borrowed a car or something, and it was
Speaker 2: really epic part of the audition. Maybe it was like
Speaker 2: they were walking through your second callback monologue, this is
Speaker 2: what you have to do. And suddenly I realized I'd
Speaker 2: pucked in the clearway. Oh no, and it was three
Speaker 2: point thirty and it was the clearway was three to seven,
Speaker 2: and I think I'd been left. I think I wasn't
Speaker 2: expecting to be that long in the day. And suddenly
Speaker 2: it was like, I'm so sorry, I have to go
Speaker 2: and move my echo right, my little yellowiss yellow Toyota echo,
Speaker 2: and it wasn't there, and it was somewhere else and
Speaker 2: I just came back and I was so kind of
Speaker 2: thrown by it, but I still did. Like I can't
Speaker 2: blame that. I just don't think I was going to
Speaker 2: get in. No, but that's a very strange thing to do. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think I made it through the next round. So
Speaker 2: the echo didn't kill me, but I didn't. I think
Speaker 2: I did. I never got past that round two, okay,
Speaker 2: and then but it was enough for you to go,
Speaker 2: I'm going to do this again.
Speaker 4: I'm going to audition again.
Speaker 2: Or yeah, I got in. I never actually studied there.
Speaker 2: So I then got into a part time cause there
Speaker 2: called singer answer Actor. So it was a music theater
Speaker 2: thing and it was every night and all day Saturday,
Speaker 2: so it was a big course. It was like five
Speaker 2: to nine pretty much Monday to Friday. So I'd work
Speaker 2: all day at Collier's real Estate, oh, Industrial real Estate
Speaker 2: or Gloria Jeans.
Speaker 4: I worked up for some of them, Okay, yeah.
Speaker 2: And then night dime drill coffee, Yeah, does your grind
Speaker 2: nighttime you know, singing, dancing, acting, And then Saturday was
Speaker 2: this insane day called master Class where you'd sit there
Speaker 2: was like fourteen of us in the class and there'd
Speaker 2: me be maybe three people on a Saturday, and they'd
Speaker 2: get up and they do a song. And basically the
Speaker 2: person who ran it, she was amazing, but she's terrifying,
Speaker 2: and she'd basically kind of te your to shreds is
Speaker 2: an intense thing to say, yes because she made me
Speaker 2: a better performer, but she pulled it apart, you know,
Speaker 2: and she had stuff to say and it. Yeah, it
Speaker 2: was a scary day and you'd just sit there so sweaty,
Speaker 2: just so sweaty.
Speaker 3: You know that book? Have you read that book Respect
Speaker 3: for Acting? That new Hargen book?
Speaker 2: You know what? I bought it. Yeah, I didn't read it.
Speaker 3: Didn't read it. Okay, So I read it but didn't
Speaker 3: end up being an act o. God, tell me about it. Well,
Speaker 3: there's a great quote in there where you must have respect.
Speaker 3: It was you must have respect for acting?
Speaker 4: No, I bought it.
Speaker 3: I think it was it was the other famous acting
Speaker 3: teacher who had.
Speaker 4: The school in New York.
Speaker 2: And oh that guy, No, he was another one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, anyway, he's oh the one in New York.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my brain.
Speaker 4: Anyway.
Speaker 3: Whatever he says in this book would that the stage
Speaker 3: were as narrow and treacherous as a tightrope, that the
Speaker 3: untalented would not dare to treat upon it, which I've
Speaker 3: always sort of remembered because I think a part of
Speaker 3: me was like the untalented, I do not treat upon it.
Speaker 3: But there's something to be said for you encountering these
Speaker 3: things that you pushed against that might cow some people
Speaker 3: and might stop them in their tracks. With more people
Speaker 3: are defeated, yeah, than pushed through. And what was it
Speaker 3: in you that went even when you were at a masterclass,
Speaker 3: getting rich to shreds or you're getting the rejection. What
Speaker 3: was the germ in you? The seed that dared to
Speaker 3: still look for the.
Speaker 2: Sun because I knew I could only get better. I
Speaker 2: knew I had talent, yeah, but I didn't think I
Speaker 2: was like an oil painting, so I wasn't going to
Speaker 2: get in that way. I was like, I look fine,
Speaker 2: but I know I'm talented, and I just did have
Speaker 2: enough of a belief to go. It's important to fail
Speaker 2: in front of these people. It's important to train. I
Speaker 2: would never dare to think that I would just be
Speaker 2: handed a job without a huge amount of training.
Speaker 4: I just yeah.
Speaker 2: I also think it's important to fail in a more
Speaker 2: supportive environment, like it was scary, but everyone's failing. Yes,
Speaker 2: it was these beautiful fourteen people that we just constantly
Speaker 2: failed in front of each other. And then after that,
Speaker 2: I did a two and a half year acting course.
Speaker 2: More failure, but I knew that you had to do it.
Speaker 2: And I still think. I've like I've looked at professional
Speaker 2: jobs and gone. I think I look at everything I
Speaker 2: do and I just want to be better than the
Speaker 2: last thing. But everything I think when you're you know,
Speaker 2: we're all sensitive, but everything is scary, and you have
Speaker 2: to just keep showing up. I was knitting in a
Speaker 2: coffee shop once when I was on a Bell Shakespeare
Speaker 2: tour and I was going all around Australia with this play,
Speaker 2: and it said there was a quote on the wall
Speaker 2: that said a ship in a harbor is safe, but
Speaker 2: this is not. Chips are four, And I like, okay,
Speaker 2: I got it. Just you know, that's me to the
Speaker 2: wa I just got it. That's the five year old
Speaker 2: that's shy. Just keep going out a ship.
Speaker 4: You're a ship.
Speaker 2: But also I could stop and then I'll just go Oh.
Speaker 2: I don't want regret until I'm really old, but I
Speaker 2: know that I need to get better all the time.
Speaker 3: Because there comes a point often too in an actor's life,
Speaker 3: if they've reached some success, some external success as well,
Speaker 3: where you go from being someone who's pitching yourself against
Speaker 3: these challenges and failing and being prepared to fail. Where
Speaker 3: you enter an environment, particularly you would know from Hollywood
Speaker 3: now where you're really coseted and insulated, and at that
Speaker 3: point growth can stop.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you can get a bit precious.
Speaker 3: Yes, And also there's a vibrating there's a whole world
Speaker 3: constructed around you. Yes, and your comfort and your needs.
Speaker 2: God, it makes monsters, truly.
Speaker 3: And so now that you have moved to Hollywood and
Speaker 3: you've had this success with Colin, do you think there's.
Speaker 4: A life like before Colin and after Colin for you?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Maybe? Yeah, because that show I did in I did
Speaker 2: twenty episodes of a show in Montreal before we came
Speaker 2: here to do season three of Colin, and that's been canceled.
Speaker 2: That was called DMV. But I was number one on
Speaker 2: that show, which means you're the lead, and oh my god,
Speaker 2: you're like, you've basically got Butler's yes and everyone everyone's
Speaker 2: just taking care of you. And I was a bit
Speaker 2: of a special case because I had to keep going
Speaker 2: to my trailer in any time off to write this season.
Speaker 2: So I was doing a few things with the two
Speaker 2: kids as well. It was a lot going on, but
Speaker 2: my needs were very met. Day one of Colin, we
Speaker 2: were shooting in Centennial Park and it's my show. Like
Speaker 2: me and Patty other bosses. I'm also number one or
Speaker 2: number two, doesn't matter, I'm number one.
Speaker 4: Just be nice.
Speaker 2: But I just couldn't get I was.
Speaker 4: Like, why do I sit yeah, where's my cheese?
Speaker 2: And that felt I had to like shove down this
Speaker 2: in a diva that had almost grown in Montreal, where
Speaker 2: I got very used to being told there's your water,
Speaker 2: of course, and they had put out like two cast
Speaker 2: chairs and then just randoms were sitting it. Not randoms,
Speaker 2: but like.
Speaker 4: People who shouldn't have been sitting in them.
Speaker 2: I just needed someone. Also, I think I was very nervous.
Speaker 2: This is the five shy year old, shi year old
Speaker 2: five year old is a seat for me, especially on
Speaker 2: the set, is somewhere to just charge. And I started
Speaker 2: to panic. I'm like, if I've got a if I
Speaker 2: if I can't because the scene WHI we're doing is
Speaker 2: walking walk, you talk. We just back and forth and
Speaker 2: Pat can do that all day and I just was like,
Speaker 2: but I and I didn't want to seem like a diva.
Speaker 2: So day one I was like, oh, I'll just get it.
Speaker 2: I'll just and I just found myself just sitting on
Speaker 2: like a route under a tree, and I'm like, We've
Speaker 2: come a long way since TMV, but it's important, yes,
Speaker 2: And now if I went back into an American job,
Speaker 2: I've got to remember to see it for what it is.
Speaker 2: Which is like, this is how monsters are made. Some
Speaker 2: of the cast I worked with in Montreal, like one guy,
Speaker 2: we had this kind of common area and he was like,
Speaker 2: I want a treadmill, I want a stat machine, and
Speaker 2: I want a stationary bike and a big TV. Within
Speaker 2: four hours he had a full gym. Yeah, okay, And
Speaker 2: is that a good thing? I don't know. Like that
Speaker 2: creates It's set a tone where it's like, quick, get
Speaker 2: that guy what he wants. And that's insane. That would
Speaker 2: never happen here, and.
Speaker 4: Nor should it. No, that's wrong.
Speaker 2: So the industry covers like a gamut whether you're working
Speaker 2: there or here. And I prefer to be the person
Speaker 2: that can handle to sit on a tree route and
Speaker 2: just recharge quietly.
Speaker 3: Well, because that goes back to what you were saying
Speaker 3: about how you always want to get better. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: you want to grow and there is no growth. Yeah,
Speaker 3: there's no growth without pain. No, No, you're listening to
Speaker 3: no filter more with Harriet Dyer in just a moment,
Speaker 3: what was your biggest professional pain, like where you found
Speaker 3: the growth?
Speaker 2: Oh, that's a good question. I found it really hard
Speaker 2: working on that. I did a movie with Elizabeth Moss
Speaker 2: where I played her sister, an invisible man, and I
Speaker 2: get killed in this restaurant scene and it was really hectic,
Speaker 2: and they'd made this rig where it was kind of
Speaker 2: silicon and painted into me and my throat was slit
Speaker 2: and all this blood came out. And it was a
Speaker 2: night shoot in a restaurant, was like two or three am.
Speaker 2: And they did all Lizzie's coverage. First, she allowed Lizzie.
Speaker 4: Yeah, she wasn't full Elizabeth.
Speaker 2: This was pre interview. We're talking about nicknames. Ye, she's Lizzie.
Speaker 2: But they did her coverage. They turn around, they're running
Speaker 2: out of time, and they were like okay, and now
Speaker 2: the knife and now die and leemanel The director was
Speaker 2: just yelling.
Speaker 4: Things out and held, yeah, he's just.
Speaker 2: And choke more and that's it and cough and do something.
Speaker 2: And I felt like this acting robot and I'm choking
Speaker 2: and dying and that's it and fall and he sounded
Speaker 2: kind of frustrated and then he was like, cut, Okay,
Speaker 2: I guess we got it. And I was like, oh god,
Speaker 2: And that was my big moment. And they had all
Speaker 2: these other rigs ready to go, with my silk shirt
Speaker 2: all ready to go, and They're like, that's a wrap,
Speaker 2: and I said, but I thought maybe that was a practice,
Speaker 2: like I only got one go, and they're like, not
Speaker 2: run out of time. And then I got into this
Speaker 2: lift by myself and it was, like I said, maybe
Speaker 2: four o'clock in the morning, and I was so tired
Speaker 2: and so so much adrenaline, and in the mirror of
Speaker 2: the lift, I just saw my throat completely slipt, and
Speaker 2: because it was so good, it wasn't any visual effects,
Speaker 2: it was all practical, and my brain was like.
Speaker 4: Are you dead?
Speaker 2: Like it was just a weird. And then I don't
Speaker 2: think you should see yourself like that, you know. And
Speaker 2: then I got into bed, like after a shower later
Speaker 2: about six am, going what was that? And I think
Speaker 2: it taught me that you may only get one go, right,
Speaker 2: and you've got to be happy with it because they
Speaker 2: just got to move on. Yes, And I wish someone
Speaker 2: big machine yeah, And I wish someone had kind of
Speaker 2: said you okay, or and Patty and I really try
Speaker 2: to take care of our actors, especially there's like an
Speaker 2: emotional scene coming up. I try to give them space
Speaker 2: or say do you want another go? Like even though
Speaker 2: we're not directors, we are on set producers and I
Speaker 2: don't remember the question, but I remember I think maybe
Speaker 2: that was my answer. I just remember going, I really
Speaker 2: this was my biggest shot in this death scene with
Speaker 2: Lizzie Moss, and I got one, and I should have
Speaker 2: Should I have given it more?
Speaker 4: Or but it was fine.
Speaker 2: It was fine, which is also a lesson, isn't it
Speaker 2: Exactly if you've trained and you've worked hard and you're there,
Speaker 2: you're probably gonna be fine.
Speaker 4: And you've committed yourself.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But in terms of biggest pain pain in terms
Speaker 2: of light rolls, There's not been a job that I've
Speaker 2: gone for that I've missed out on and been in
Speaker 2: like pining because I really just so believe it wasn't
Speaker 2: meant to be. Anytime I don't get a job, it's
Speaker 2: like not meant to happen if you if you pine
Speaker 2: all the auditions, you don't care. Like Also, it's butterfly
Speaker 2: like affect shit, Like there's so many things I wish
Speaker 2: I'd gotten and then Colin wouldn't have happened. Yes, yes,
Speaker 2: so many things.
Speaker 3: And I always think that looking at the cast of
Speaker 3: Colin as well, that they're people that you and Patty
Speaker 3: have worked with that, you have drawn back together into
Speaker 3: this absolutely brilliant ensemble cast.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're really good. It's a great cast, and we
Speaker 2: love each other. There's a lot of love there.
Speaker 4: Why are you ending it?
Speaker 2: Because I think creatively it's good. Leave on a high.
Speaker 2: I don't want anyone to get sick of it.
Speaker 3: I think when you say you don't want anyone to
Speaker 3: get sick of it, do you mean the.
Speaker 4: Audience or do you mean you? And oh the audience, Patty,
Speaker 4: You guys, we know it.
Speaker 3: Sometimes it's a disconnect with the writers or you're in
Speaker 3: a different place in the process than the audiences.
Speaker 4: Who the audience would be like, we'll take ten more serious.
Speaker 2: They probably would. You're right, But also the way we've
Speaker 2: built it, we don't have a writer's room. Most shows
Speaker 2: have a writer's room. They have other writers. Even just
Speaker 2: the other day, I was walking to friend Sarah Scheller,
Speaker 2: who did Strife.
Speaker 4: Oh right, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: She was like, yeah, anyway, our story editor this, And
Speaker 2: I'm like, what's the story editor? We needed that? What
Speaker 2: the hell?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 4: We should have had a story editor?
Speaker 2: Have you and Patty just us every word, every idea,
Speaker 2: every plot, And so I thought, and one day I
Speaker 2: remember in season two were like, he needs to be
Speaker 2: a third person we can share this with, and then
Speaker 2: they kind of brought on like a script coordinator, but
Speaker 2: it felt more like pages admin, right, like this isn't helpful,
Speaker 2: so goodbye. But if we had someone like a story
Speaker 2: at it a going, I just I'm not sure you've
Speaker 2: actually tied up Brett's thing, or I'm not sure if
Speaker 2: you've thought about ending it this way, like someone who's
Speaker 2: really in the story with us, who cares and is
Speaker 2: a talented writer probably on their own right. But we
Speaker 2: just didn't have that person. So it's little things like
Speaker 2: that we probably could have helped ourselves.
Speaker 3: Right, I'm given you maybe longevity, more longevity with it,
Speaker 3: because it's not like the fuel in the candle is
Speaker 3: not just coming from you too.
Speaker 2: Yes, However, when you then invite people in, you've got
Speaker 2: to manage them. And there's something so clean about me
Speaker 2: and Patty there's no one to manage. And if he
Speaker 2: has a dad idea, I just go. And if I
Speaker 2: have a dad idea, it's whereas if we're in a
Speaker 2: ten writers room, you might be like, oh my god, Kate,
Speaker 2: that's such a good let's put it on the board,
Speaker 2: put it on board, and we're going to think about
Speaker 2: that and then let's break for lone. And there's just
Speaker 2: wasted energy, yes, whereas there's an economy of truth that
Speaker 2: you two just give me a look like we're not
Speaker 2: doing that. And but that being said, because we aren't able,
Speaker 2: because we're mental, we're unable to outsource. It means that
Speaker 2: we control everything and that is a blessing and a
Speaker 2: curse because we're proud of everything because we picked it.
Speaker 2: But then everyone just goes with Patty and Harry fucking
Speaker 2: pick it anyway. So I think it doesn't give people
Speaker 2: as much ownership over some of their jobs as maybe
Speaker 2: they'd have another jobs. Right, it doesn't make any sense. Yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 2: And everyone works so hard, but they know that at
Speaker 2: the end we'll probably pick it. So sometimes I think
Speaker 2: we need to release the reins and go you just
Speaker 2: do it, But then we go, oh, that wasn't it.
Speaker 3: Sorry, But outside of the show, you now have two daughters. Yes,
Speaker 3: this is the other thing. And Patty was talking when
Speaker 3: we spoke, which was the the day after the pres
Speaker 3: mirror of Priora here, and he was talking about like
Speaker 3: the necessity of with you two working the way that
Speaker 3: you're working that you need help. Yeah, but that's also
Speaker 3: comes at a cost, it does. It's a similar as
Speaker 3: kind of thing that you need to relinquish a certain
Speaker 3: amount of control.
Speaker 2: And so the best version of that is I work
Speaker 2: or he works. Because the hours on set are so long,
Speaker 2: you do need someone keeping the home fires burning and
Speaker 2: Colin we're both out, Yes, so the kids every season
Speaker 2: we've obviously had to have a nanny because daycare isn't open,
Speaker 2: and also sickness and stuff.
Speaker 3: And you need a you want that constancy of care
Speaker 3: as well. That's someone that the girls feel.
Speaker 2: Exactly, but it's not just feels a bit icky to
Speaker 2: leave in the dark, come back in the dark and
Speaker 2: and yeah there's just a parent missing, yes, and you're
Speaker 2: it's something you feel you're missing as well. Yeah, of course. Yeah,
Speaker 2: there's been times, especially in Canada in Montreal, I was
Speaker 2: working heer razy hours and we had the most beautiful
Speaker 2: au pair and we met her actually in Melbourne because
Speaker 2: Patty had done this Apple show just before Montreal. So
Speaker 2: basically the last eighteen months we've been like Carnie's. Yes,
Speaker 2: Maybel was born twelve days later, Patty had to go
Speaker 2: to Melbourne and then we followed when the passport was ready.
Speaker 2: And so we're in Melbourne for about five months, Montreal
Speaker 2: for five months, Sydney for seven and we're going to
Speaker 2: get back to la and Maybel will be eighteen months
Speaker 2: old and she hasn't been in her home since you
Speaker 2: was six weeks old. That's just not how you envision
Speaker 2: no nesting.
Speaker 4: No, that's true.
Speaker 2: But also Mabel's so delicious, know anything, She's a.
Speaker 4: Joni must know, that's it.
Speaker 2: So Johnny's almost five and yet thing's got a bit hairy.
Speaker 2: In Montreal when I just felt really far from her,
Speaker 2: I felt that our opair was so in her life
Speaker 2: that I felt you can't replace a mum. But I
Speaker 2: wished for more closeness, you know, and that was But
Speaker 2: all you can also wish for is that they're close
Speaker 2: with the person caring for them. Of course, like the
Speaker 2: other day, our nanny here left and Mabel cried, and
Speaker 2: the ego goes, don't cry. Mom's here. Yes, yes, but
Speaker 2: actually it's good yes, because it means she loves her, yes,
Speaker 2: And that means you're leaving them with someone who they love.
Speaker 3: And it is you do think, I mean, you have
Speaker 3: to surrender parts of yourself.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you've got four yes.
Speaker 3: And I've had a very similar you know, with I
Speaker 3: think every working mother is confronted with the same yes
Speaker 3: of dilemma. It is, and a part of you surrenders
Speaker 3: to the notion or rises to the notion that the
Speaker 3: more people that love your children, yeah, the better. But
Speaker 3: it doesn't mean that it's not yeah, and that sometimes
Speaker 3: you think, oh, this isn't right.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And Jonie was so little when season one started, and
Speaker 2: the other day she walked into her our room and
Speaker 2: I thought, God, she's so big, she's so tall, and
Speaker 2: her whole life we've been sharing her our brains between
Speaker 2: her and Colin from accounts. In the last four and
Speaker 2: a half years, we've made three seasons of television. We've
Speaker 2: written all twenty four episodes and sat in the edit
Speaker 2: every day, which is also different, and brought two girls up.
Speaker 2: And that's a really full time. Plus DMV plus American
Speaker 2: Honor plus Last Scene plus Prior U plus evil just
Speaker 2: these jobs, right, Yes, and that's why it's time to
Speaker 2: just take a bit of consolidate and Yeah. When Joanie
Speaker 2: was about five weeks old, they said we're going to
Speaker 2: do it. We're making Colin, You've got to write the
Speaker 2: back four episodes right now, and we didn't have any
Speaker 2: family support or any help in LA and we had
Speaker 2: to quickly write them. She was like four months when
Speaker 2: we started shooting. She rolled over for the first time
Speaker 2: in the edit stuff like that, and she's kind of
Speaker 2: none the wiser. She knows she's got two very loving parents.
Speaker 2: I don't think she feels like some sort of TV often, No,
Speaker 2: but I just want to be there a bit more
Speaker 2: right now.
Speaker 3: When Patty was talking about the when he fell in
Speaker 3: love with you really or when we realize that you
Speaker 3: were in love with each other, and one of the
Speaker 3: things that I gleaned from him was your capacity to
Speaker 3: care about people.
Speaker 2: Oh that's nice. I do care, but yeah, you do care.
Speaker 2: But everybody does, though, don't they?
Speaker 3: M Yeah, some people make care but don't necessarily had
Speaker 3: the capacity to enactor.
Speaker 4: Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Yes? I come from the very demonstratively loving family, like
Speaker 2: love you all the time.
Speaker 3: Right, And that changed things for him. I gathered in
Speaker 3: his emotional.
Speaker 2: I think possibly yeah state yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: And what but you two had met in twenty twelve,
Speaker 3: was it one Moody No.
Speaker 2: That was funny. Someone wrote that we never shared that.
Speaker 4: Had you worked together before.
Speaker 2: We hadn't shared that screen. He was in it, and
Speaker 2: I was like a glorified extra. Yeah I hadn't. I
Speaker 2: don't think he was on that day. I think I
Speaker 2: in Meadows and oh Jane Harbor might have been having
Speaker 2: some It was a bit where I had to kiss
Speaker 2: a boy. It was horrible. It was like that man
Speaker 2: was lovely, but it was like Jungle was up coming
Speaker 2: kind of comedy people, and I'd done an ad with Trent,
Speaker 2: the director who is now like our kids godfather, and
Speaker 2: it was like a funny bit for a girl to
Speaker 2: be really making out in airport line, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: And anyway, it was a horrible day. It's on set
Speaker 2: because he wasn't my boyfriend, this guy, but no, Patty
Speaker 2: wasn't in that.
Speaker 3: No, No, we're annoying from my rom com, my desire
Speaker 3: for a rom com.
Speaker 4: That's like really devastating.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, we didn't meet then. It was much much later.
Speaker 2: But yeah, we we worked together first I think no activity,
Speaker 2: oh right, no activity?
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, and then was there How was your relationship then?
Speaker 3: You were mates? You were yeah, like who felt the
Speaker 3: first free song. I don't really know, okay, but not
Speaker 3: at the initial meeting or in no we met.
Speaker 2: No we met, Like I think I served him at
Speaker 2: a cafe at some point and I recognized him from
Speaker 2: an insurance commershal Like. It wasn't love at first sight.
Speaker 2: It was just like, yeah, in each other's orbit. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but he he's just a wonderful dude. He's a great dad,
Speaker 2: and he keeps me from kind of flying off, like
Speaker 2: I am an anxious character and he is a stoic,
Speaker 2: centered character. And so there's an when I say, came
Speaker 2: in person, yes, and so there is his character is yes, exactly,
Speaker 2: yes he is. He has more kind of wait to
Speaker 2: him ballast his emotional his bowl is centered and mine
Speaker 2: spills out all over the place.
Speaker 3: But it's a it's a very yin and yang. Yeah,
Speaker 3: i'd say so sort of recipe.
Speaker 2: And I can tell when he needs to kind of
Speaker 2: spin off a bit, and I go, I'll be balast then,
Speaker 2: because there's only so.
Speaker 3: Much like Prada. I imagine you had to be ballast
Speaker 3: when Prada happened.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a little bit, but that was fine. That was
Speaker 2: just like a thing came out. I mean, the thing is.
Speaker 2: It came out in the middle of We wrapped on
Speaker 2: a Friday. God after doing this massive, the massive eight
Speaker 2: episodes of Colony, wrapped on a Friday, had a wrap
Speaker 2: party on the Saturday right and then he flew Sunday
Speaker 2: morning for the Pomiere and we had a necessary week
Speaker 2: off or something before we then went into the edit.
Speaker 2: So Prada was big on a world stage, but it
Speaker 2: was something that just slotted into our month. And then
Speaker 2: he came back and we got into the edit of
Speaker 2: Colin and that ended a week ago, and he shot
Speaker 2: it while I was working in Montreal. That was the
Speaker 2: hardest part.
Speaker 4: Actually, And you were with Mabel. I think I.
Speaker 2: Brought Mabel across from Melbourne to Montreal. He still had
Speaker 2: to shoot some in Melbourne. He stayed with Jonie and
Speaker 2: the OA pair. It came over, then he went straight
Speaker 2: to New York. It wasn't well designed. It's been a
Speaker 2: crazy year. But yeah, when he needs it, I'm ballast.
Speaker 3: So when you're you know, when you're talking about all
Speaker 3: of these moving parts, the building block, the basic building
Speaker 3: block is you and Patty. And when you're in a
Speaker 3: relationship that your husband and wife and your producers and
Speaker 3: your writers and your parents. How do you serve the marriage?
Speaker 2: How do we or do you?
Speaker 3: Is there a sense, you know, when you're you know
Speaker 3: you love someone and you know them very well and
Speaker 3: you're building something together.
Speaker 2: Is there a sense that we're fine? Will tend to
Speaker 2: this later? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: I think we laugh a lot, and he's good at
Speaker 2: reminding me to laugh. And it's really good when we
Speaker 2: catch each other off guard and like we might be
Speaker 2: having a absolute shitter, like it's five forty eight, the
Speaker 2: kids are screaming, and we'll just like do some silly
Speaker 2: latsy to each other behind the kitchen counter about just
Speaker 2: like ending at all, and that's funny. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: And it's little moments like that. But also I can
Speaker 2: see when the water is rising on him and I'm like,
Speaker 2: do you need to take the dog for a walk
Speaker 2: or do you want to go call up a friend
Speaker 2: and have dinner? Like we just need to make space,
Speaker 2: I think with one, I mean, you'd know this from four,
Speaker 2: but you know it's the more children and the more pressures,
Speaker 2: it's harder to go. Excuse me, can I go to?
Speaker 2: Like the gym is over? I still love the gym
Speaker 2: and now I just can't. I can't justify it.
Speaker 4: What do you do?
Speaker 2: Oh, it doesn't matter anymore? Just wasting really no, I
Speaker 2: like just anything, I really I get in doorphins. That's
Speaker 2: where I get my anxieties out. I've always gone to
Speaker 2: the gym for the head, not the bods so much. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I can, but we try to make space for that.
Speaker 2: But yeah, when it's been like, for example, the shoot,
Speaker 2: they're thirteen fourteen hour days and the weekends just have
Speaker 2: to be the girls. But occasionally I'm like, go up
Speaker 2: to the gym for an hour and got to make
Speaker 2: room for each other otherwise we'll go crazy. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: also like we're pretty quiet people. Like we love reading,
Speaker 2: we love doing the Sunday or Saturday Sunday quiz with
Speaker 2: Martini when the girls have gone to bed. It's not
Speaker 2: a crazy life.
Speaker 4: Who gets the most right answers quis tiny.
Speaker 2: I've been pretty good lately. I think I've been surprising
Speaker 2: us both. But he is generally smarter. He's also a
Speaker 2: bit older than that. Yes, he's got we're both do
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? We're both year of the Dragon,
Speaker 2: twelve years apart. But he is a bright boy. He
Speaker 2: also like studied law for three years. I've never set
Speaker 2: foot in a uni. I'm kind of a bit of
Speaker 2: a but I know lots of things that he doesn't like.
Speaker 2: Music and stuff. Ah, yeah, that'd be where I shine.
Speaker 3: We'll be back with more from Harriet Dyer after this
Speaker 3: short break, after this period where you're sort of I'm
Speaker 3: going to say, lie Fallow, but you won't be You'll
Speaker 3: be plowing the field of your family. Yep.
Speaker 2: Yeah, winter, I'm calling it a mental window.
Speaker 4: Yeah, great, come through. Yeah, so you can have a
Speaker 4: beautiful spring.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 4: What will you do? What will the next project be?
Speaker 3: Because I think you've said you and Patty want to
Speaker 3: do something that is not necessarily comedic.
Speaker 2: We definitely have some drama stuff in us. We also
Speaker 2: want to write something that maybe is drama heavy but
Speaker 2: still funny. I haven't seen that Widow's Bay one, but
Speaker 2: people say that does a good oh right. I also
Speaker 2: just think, well, Colin was very much like that.
Speaker 4: To be honest.
Speaker 3: There's a scene that like my favorite of yours, when
Speaker 3: you had your wisdom teeth out. Oh yeah, oh my goodness.
Speaker 3: That was so I cried. I laughed and I cried
Speaker 3: because it was a very beautiful, tender. Yeah it was tender.
Speaker 3: It was really tender. But also your comedic stick is
Speaker 3: Lucille Ball. Seriously, thank you, really accomplished and beautiful and
Speaker 3: truthful and takes you places that you're not anticipating to go.
Speaker 3: So I think Colin already had that, had that gravitask yes.
Speaker 2: A dozen times, like when I called his dad a
Speaker 2: fuck with that that was really shocking. It was so
Speaker 2: and very sad. And then they played Paul Kelly. How mean.
Speaker 4: What did make of it?
Speaker 2: I don't actually know, but he said, yes, he let us.
Speaker 2: You know, we try to put a lot of Aussie
Speaker 2: singers in, but we we also kind of love horror.
Speaker 2: What we do know is that we're going to write
Speaker 2: something again. It can't be another rom com. We can't
Speaker 2: just also just keep wheeling out our chemistry and like
Speaker 2: right we we we have to write a movie soon
Speaker 2: actually for a big company have been waiting for years
Speaker 2: that is a comedy, like for both of you will
Speaker 2: be in it. Yeah, yeah, right, so we have to.
Speaker 2: You can't change your chemistry.
Speaker 4: No, why would you?
Speaker 2: No, we wouldn't want to.
Speaker 4: But I really could dye your hair black.
Speaker 2: But I mean, like we don't want to keep playing
Speaker 2: will they won't they? Right? I mean maybe we could
Speaker 2: do will they? Wait they in another period? You know,
Speaker 2: we can just change the world. Like we've got ideas
Speaker 2: that don't live in this modern romantic world, which is
Speaker 2: fun kind of just a bit bigger. We've got a
Speaker 2: few more epic ideas, right, but the past, not the future.
Speaker 4: Not the future. No one wants to go to the
Speaker 4: future now.
Speaker 2: Literally, I don't want to be here now. No, the
Speaker 2: future is too scary. But we've got some pasty things.
Speaker 2: But also I think what's ahead for Patty and I
Speaker 2: would be good if he and I did that thing
Speaker 2: where we get an acting job independent. Yeah, so we
Speaker 2: can go how is your day? Because I wasn't just
Speaker 2: there for the whole thing, because I know his whole day.
Speaker 2: Even this, I'm like, we've been doing press all day
Speaker 2: for Colin. He's now doing something else and I'll get
Speaker 2: to ask him, how was it you having a nice time?
Speaker 3: Well, even get to miss him a bit having done this.
Speaker 3: He knows what you're doing doing. He's experienced this.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it'd be good to tell each other some stories.
Speaker 4: It is get a bit of yes.
Speaker 2: Whatever that is it is come back together and.
Speaker 3: Writes nice to bring the outside world into your relationship.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because people go, oh, my work wife, my work husband,
Speaker 2: and it's like your real work husband looks so much
Speaker 2: like my real husband. Weird, but it's good. Like I
Speaker 2: think if you I married the right person to do
Speaker 2: this with, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: And I like to think he did too. I think good.
Speaker 3: I think he thinks that. When he had done Prata
Speaker 3: and you were in the audience that night, there was
Speaker 3: such cha a lovely response to you being in the audience,
Speaker 3: which was just kind of this, you know. Tita went
Speaker 3: through the audience and then it was like Harry, people going,
Speaker 3: oh Harry. It was a sort of good hey Harry,
Speaker 3: sort of hair and you gave a kind of.
Speaker 2: You know, he did a little shout out, which was yeah,
Speaker 2: it was really cute.
Speaker 3: Do you feel a difference in Australia when you're out
Speaker 3: and about and on the street, like do you get.
Speaker 2: There was a bit more. It came out around April
Speaker 2: April May was weird, just a few more lookie louse.
Speaker 2: I think I fly under the radar. So if I'm
Speaker 2: out without him, especially without hair and makeup, no one right,
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm right under and that's how I
Speaker 2: like it. But Patty kind of just looks like Paddy
Speaker 2: yeah all the time. So I'm with if I'm with him,
Speaker 2: I do notice it. But yeah, it's weird because on
Speaker 2: a weekend we try to get out and about with
Speaker 2: the girls and there's a few LOOKI louse. And it's
Speaker 2: not weird though, And Australians are so kind of cool
Speaker 2: and there's that no one you know, to all popping
Speaker 2: on likes anyone to be too. No, no, everyone's pretty
Speaker 2: cool about it.
Speaker 3: Yes, but in America because we would have been there
Speaker 3: for eighteen years.
Speaker 2: But I do think because that's a massive it is
Speaker 2: a big jump.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a big jump, and it's the perception around
Speaker 3: it is different as well.
Speaker 2: And yeah, we work in we live in kind of
Speaker 2: like a neighborhood with there's a lot of writers and
Speaker 2: so yeah, and so I think people notice have noticed
Speaker 2: us from Colin around our neighborhood and they're much more
Speaker 2: of a both So come and be like I love
Speaker 2: your show and you're like, oh, thank you. But I
Speaker 2: think maybe if we went to Beverly Hills, no one
Speaker 2: would know. It's like it's different, there's different crowds. Actually,
Speaker 2: that's not true. Like I booked a table for me
Speaker 2: and my parents about two years ago in Beverly Hills
Speaker 2: at this little restaurant they love, and they were like,
Speaker 2: my mum checked in and they said, is that the
Speaker 2: actress Harriett died? And I was like, absolutely, thrown anyone
Speaker 2: on rodeo drive. So that is a There's sometimes things,
Speaker 2: but I think I'm a little bit blind to that
Speaker 2: stuff and maybe to.
Speaker 4: Protect to keep the channel clear.
Speaker 2: Sometimes my friends will be like, oh, they're looking at you,
Speaker 2: and I don't notice it. But I think that's an
Speaker 2: unconscious protection. It's my dad's leg. Yeah, I don't want
Speaker 2: to know. Also, I don't think it very interesting. You
Speaker 2: know who does.
Speaker 4: Well, there is an appetite for it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And there's an appetite for people to know stuff
Speaker 2: about Patty and I because we work as a couple
Speaker 2: and so I do feel very protective of that, very
Speaker 2: protective of the girls as well. Yes, And that's like
Speaker 2: you know before when we were talking about Hills You
Speaker 2: Die on like that was a bit of preemp Like
Speaker 2: I'm pretty protective of them, and yeah, anyone would be.
Speaker 2: That's mama bearshit, that's that's a good hill today. It's
Speaker 2: a good hill to die, just like I don't know
Speaker 2: just our story, their story, that's the stuff that is
Speaker 2: just for us, which I think is.
Speaker 4: Which he shared.
Speaker 3: You know, when we were talking about when he first
Speaker 3: told you that he couldn't have his own children.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right, his own from his own bodily, his.
Speaker 2: Own bodily function.
Speaker 4: He couldn't carry the children.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he can't get pregnant, he doesn't carry them. And
Speaker 2: then he got quite emotional, I think.
Speaker 3: In talking about how not not This wasn't his initial response,
Speaker 3: but I interpreted as the whole thing about how very
Speaker 3: matter of fact you were about that, because for him,
Speaker 3: that's a big thing to say to a woman. Yes,
Speaker 3: it could be a deal breaker, and for you it
Speaker 3: wasn't a deal breaker. It was like a deal maker
Speaker 3: because you're like, Okay, this is what we'll do.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't know why it wasn't more of a deal
Speaker 2: breaker because logically or on paper, that would be. But
Speaker 2: we were just selling love that I was like, well,
Speaker 2: that's our lot. If that's his lot and he didn't
Speaker 2: choose this and I choose him, then that's who I chose,
Speaker 2: and so I didn't feel. Yeah, there were certain people
Speaker 2: around me going, but are you sure. You know that's
Speaker 2: a big thing to like say no to, But really
Speaker 2: it's I'm also saying yes to something else, which I
Speaker 2: think has been really powerful. And yeah, I wouldn't change
Speaker 2: any of it.
Speaker 3: It was very powerful for him as well. Yeah, because
Speaker 3: it unlocks parenthood unlocks in most people, it unlocks a
Speaker 3: different capacity in you, it does, Yeah, and in him
Speaker 3: he spoke about really feeling that he'd been given things
Speaker 3: from the treasures of the world that he would not
Speaker 3: have had otherwise, and it was very beautiful.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: When you look at your body of work, do you
Speaker 3: think it's affected by you.
Speaker 4: Being a mum?
Speaker 2: Oh? Like the depth of it?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you know, I.
Speaker 2: Don't think I've had to really call upon.
Speaker 4: Stuff, you know.
Speaker 2: For example, his performance in this Apple show coming up,
Speaker 2: last scene comes out I think on Apple in September.
Speaker 2: I'm spoaking another show of Patres. I can see the
Speaker 2: father in him, right, Yeah, he's unbelievably beautiful in that.
Speaker 2: I don't think I've done a role yet as a
Speaker 2: mom that has lent itself to needing that kind of way.
Speaker 2: Haven't haven't cleared it. I haven't got I haven't had
Speaker 2: like the drama thing, right, But what it has done
Speaker 2: is I'm definitely like it's even just in any work,
Speaker 2: you know, comedy, I.
Speaker 4: It's it's enriched.
Speaker 2: It enriches everything because I take it all a little
Speaker 2: bit less seriously, maybe because I've got this bigger thing
Speaker 2: at home.
Speaker 4: Because what you're doing has to be worth it, yes.
Speaker 2: Exactly, and so I don't whittle it away. I go, well,
Speaker 2: if I'm here, I'm gonna really good because if I'm here,
Speaker 2: I'm not with them, so it better be good. Butter
Speaker 2: be better, better enjoy it. Where sometimes when you work
Speaker 2: with people without kids, they can really get it stuck
Speaker 2: in the weeds and stuff. It's like, you know, I've
Speaker 2: got a shout out, can we just do it? Make
Speaker 2: it good? Go like, but I haven't. No, it hasn't
Speaker 2: kind of I haven't used it. So to speaking to
Speaker 2: the drama stuff, yeah, to say what that stretch. I'm
Speaker 2: a bit funny about using kind of with technical acting stuff,
Speaker 2: especially if you're doing something drama. I'm a bit funny
Speaker 2: about thinking about.
Speaker 4: People real things.
Speaker 2: Like Amanda Sefried's talked about this with OCD like she
Speaker 2: will never think about her children if she's doing something sad,
Speaker 2: like it just feels a bit like there's some bad
Speaker 2: magic snare. And I think I was already doing some
Speaker 2: big dramatic performances, like I did a big one in
Speaker 2: Wakefield where I had I was playing with someone with
Speaker 2: bipolar and I was in a home like an institution,
Speaker 2: and I'm proud of that, and that.
Speaker 4: Was before kids. I think I've always had a.
Speaker 2: There's a place I can pull from, and at that place,
Speaker 2: probably I don't know, hasn't been tested. But I definitely
Speaker 2: see the father in Patty's performance in September when that
Speaker 2: comes out, because also he's playing a dad who's lost something.
Speaker 2: But I don't know, there's funny. Yeah, I don't want to.
Speaker 2: You don't want to like think of something that couldn't happen,
Speaker 2: or you can just kind of try to be technical
Speaker 2: about it or listen like to a really sad song
Speaker 2: to get himself to the place.
Speaker 3: Yeah, rather than compromise a real person or something.
Speaker 2: But I don't know. I think I think just you,
Speaker 2: I think I'm maybe more strong physically that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: You know, we all get stronger and in the brain
Speaker 2: and the boarders.
Speaker 3: Not if we don't go to the gym the gym,
Speaker 3: this is true, that's I missed the gym.
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe they.
Speaker 4: Go to the gym and also get it put in
Speaker 4: your contract.
Speaker 2: I should have asked for a treadmill a stationary bike
Speaker 2: on the set.
Speaker 4: That's why you noticed what that guy asked for.
Speaker 2: But you know what, he's fit.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right, and he's got a big TV.
Speaker 2: My god, he got it done.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, you could be watching yourself on the big TV.
Speaker 2: Probably should.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Hey, when you think about the future and it's with UK,
Speaker 3: thank you, I'm very happy to running away together. But
Speaker 3: you know, there's a thing I remember my mate Angus
Speaker 3: Sampson was talking about his boys not wanting them to
Speaker 3: grow up with an American accent.
Speaker 2: Addington and Montgomery. There you go, I know, those little fellas. Yeah,
Speaker 2: do you have a similar thing for the girls? Do
Speaker 2: you have a pull to Australia or And I know
Speaker 2: that you're at the moment you don't really have time
Speaker 2: to be anywhere. Yeah, that's an interesting one because Angus's
Speaker 2: kids are his and Miranda's kids. Right, our kids are
Speaker 2: half Africa. They're born in Tampa, Florida, and they are
Speaker 2: African American. You've got well half, so I don't feel
Speaker 2: as proprietorial over their cultrol exactly right. I actually think
Speaker 2: probably I've done something right if they don't sound strong
Speaker 2: for them. But we do have an eye to move
Speaker 2: to Sydney again, right, So we're just we're just working
Speaker 2: on that on what that looks like. Obviously Australia is
Speaker 2: much safer place.
Speaker 4: To bring up kids, right, Easier.
Speaker 2: Easier, our parents are here, our siblings are here, so
Speaker 2: we're coming back accent or not, right, but I wouldn't
Speaker 2: have ever gone. I don't want them to sound American
Speaker 2: because they have American passports. Yeah, right, of course they're
Speaker 2: so American.
Speaker 3: And then what do you That's an interesting thing that
Speaker 3: when you've got children who have a culturally different background,
Speaker 3: how do you serve that or do you have you
Speaker 3: thought about that year?
Speaker 2: How you totally it's an interesting one. Like Joanie has
Speaker 2: they both have really textured hair.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you've had to learn.
Speaker 2: I've had to learn. My mum's got an afro, she's
Speaker 2: there to go. It's a different it's so different. Maybel
Speaker 2: still is just a baby, so we leave hers but Joni, like,
Speaker 2: everywhere we go, we make sure we find a black
Speaker 2: hair stylist that she's comfortable with, and we make we
Speaker 2: give her people. I don't want a white person to
Speaker 2: have a go. If it's not me, I'll have a go.
Speaker 2: But then I want her to be in the right hands,
Speaker 2: with the right products, with the right techniques. And we've
Speaker 2: managed to find them everywhere we've been, Like, we had
Speaker 2: an amazing woman on my set in Montreal who was
Speaker 2: working on the show, so Johnny's got to come to
Speaker 2: set and see in the trailer, which is also pretty cool. Fine,
Speaker 2: but right now we've got this awesome woman in night Junction, Westfield.
Speaker 2: You just did a corn Rose yesterday. But we just
Speaker 2: make sure that that's taken care of. But it's tricky
Speaker 2: because we do feel a responsibility for them to grow
Speaker 2: up in a space where there's some color reflected. Yes,
Speaker 2: you know, like I don't know what school that is
Speaker 2: yet in Sydney, Patty and I have always wanted to
Speaker 2: live in the East, but like, oh my goodness, I
Speaker 2: don't know if that's reflected there.
Speaker 4: It also like sometimes I think the children will show
Speaker 4: you the way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I will say it's in our minds. We
Speaker 2: don't want them to sea. Like the other day, Johnny
Speaker 2: said to me, I want to go to school with
Speaker 2: people who have hair like me, and like that that
Speaker 2: hits yeah, and I'm like, well, you know, we're going
Speaker 2: back to La Bubba and we'll see there because I
Speaker 2: don't want her to feel too different. But then you've
Speaker 2: got you've got places like International Grammar School where it's
Speaker 2: such a bix of like Australians Astralia, it's so diverse.
Speaker 2: It's just that so happens. Where we're living in Sydney
Speaker 2: right now is smelt and that's our folly. I don't
Speaker 2: know what the word is, it's an f We fucked up.
Speaker 2: But she's okay, she's four and we are on it.
Speaker 2: But I think it would be silly for us to
Speaker 2: transplant them and just PLoP them right in the middle
Speaker 2: of some super white.
Speaker 4: Sup and act like it's nothing yeah.
Speaker 2: And be like we don't see color. It's like, well,
Speaker 2: that's actually not good enough. You think that that's like
Speaker 2: anti racist, but it's not like you've got to see
Speaker 2: color because they see color and they want to see
Speaker 2: it around.
Speaker 3: And also coming from the States that has just a
Speaker 3: broader color palette generally is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, La is pretty pretty segregated.
Speaker 4: Yeah, ra interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So we haven't even nailed it there. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: we are working on it, and I think as long
Speaker 2: as we're aware of.
Speaker 4: It, are they do they show?
Speaker 3: I mean, Mabel's too young, but is Joni performance oriented
Speaker 3: at all?
Speaker 2: Last night we did a little bit of acting right
Speaker 2: because said I said, I'm going to act something out.
Speaker 2: I was just being silly, like a charade's there, and
Speaker 2: she goes on my turn to act and she's so funny.
Speaker 2: She is very outgoing. She's not shy. She's not Harry
Speaker 2: behind the leg. No, she's Joanie and she she's a CEO.
Speaker 4: That girl, I don't know.
Speaker 2: She just came out that way. Mabel's a lot more
Speaker 2: attached to me. She's just more shy, and so we'll
Speaker 2: just see how that goes. I saw this beautiful thing
Speaker 2: was it was on bloody Instagram, but it was John
Speaker 2: c Riley talking about parents.
Speaker 4: Did you see that?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 4: No, what do you say?
Speaker 2: So before he became a parent, So now I'm just
Speaker 2: stealing his podcast. He thought nature know it, she would
Speaker 2: be like fifty to fifty. Then his girls came out
Speaker 2: and he was like, no, you are you are you,
Speaker 2: and you are you? Yes, And I can't nurture you
Speaker 2: into being this or that, right, I just have to
Speaker 2: take care of who you are and pay attention to it.
Speaker 2: And so I just sometimes JOONI can be really gregarious
Speaker 2: and a little bit too much of a handful, and
Speaker 2: it's on me to just try not to give that
Speaker 2: like negative words like I want to nurture that into
Speaker 2: something that she's proud of, and yeah, she just that's
Speaker 2: her strength rather than exactly rather than I'm annoying or something.
Speaker 3: I do think children are like a packet of mystery seeds.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's good, and really put them in the ground.
Speaker 3: You don't know if you're going to get a sunflower
Speaker 3: or but I think you can. You can't make a
Speaker 3: child because like you see, they are what they already are,
Speaker 3: But you can break a child one hundred.
Speaker 2: The nurse on our set is our mascot on colin.
Speaker 2: Her name is Nurse Virginia, and she said you can
Speaker 2: break a spirit out of a child, but you can't
Speaker 2: put it in and you knock it out or something.
Speaker 2: But with that mystery seeds, I think that's really apt
Speaker 2: for everyone, but especially for adoption. We can't even go, oh,
Speaker 2: that's dad's nos, No, that's right.
Speaker 4: Yes, And so the.
Speaker 2: Mystery Seeds is so exciting because it's all different and
Speaker 2: it's brilliant, and I think there's something really cool about
Speaker 2: because I don't know the opposite. I don't know what
Speaker 2: it's like to be like that's so you yeah right,
Speaker 2: But also now.
Speaker 3: You don't necessarily get that anyway, by the way, with
Speaker 3: the genetic lottery, you don't necessarily see a reflection of
Speaker 3: anything that you know.
Speaker 2: And that his friends are just like produce their husbands
Speaker 2: to god, that's right at least. I just I've just
Speaker 2: got this mystery packet. But it's really cool and I
Speaker 2: do oh yeah, I think motherhood is really interesting. It
Speaker 2: just keeps presenting more and more wells think about it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a huge stretch.
Speaker 2: And everyone talks about the newborn. It's like that's yeah,
Speaker 2: that's easy. Yeah, compared to like, how do you don't
Speaker 2: you about you don't.
Speaker 4: Have two teenage girls yet? Yeah? Girl, See this is
Speaker 4: the thing.
Speaker 3: I'm not even girls are Look, I think girls are complex.
Speaker 3: Three boys and one girl, oh yeah, and the three
Speaker 3: boys combined were a walk in the park compared to
Speaker 3: girly well, yeah, but who's great now?
Speaker 2: But there was a period how old is she now?
Speaker 3: She's twenty one? Oh wow, yeah adult And at the
Speaker 3: time where we were really kind of so shocked because
Speaker 3: you always hear these people are like teenage girls.
Speaker 4: And I was always like, e not going to happen.
Speaker 3: To ask Yeah, well, it's you know, light life, it's
Speaker 3: ultimately it's going to humble you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and god yeah. And now she's kind of come
Speaker 4: out the other end.
Speaker 3: But I remember this friend of mine saying we were
Speaker 3: living in Italy at the time, and this Swedish mum
Speaker 3: who had an older daughter, kept saying to me, don't
Speaker 3: shut the door, Katie, don't shut.
Speaker 4: The door on her.
Speaker 3: And sometimes I was like, Joanna, I not only want
Speaker 3: to shut the door, I want to put every piece yeah,
Speaker 3: and put every piece of furniture I've got in that.
Speaker 3: And it's really beautiful now, but it is The stretch continues, gosh, girl,
Speaker 3: it's great, but it's not easy. But I can't think
Speaker 3: of anything good that is easy. Exactly can you two
Speaker 3: minute noodles?
Speaker 4: I don't think they're good.
Speaker 2: They're not good for you. I don't think they're good,
Speaker 2: so they really me up right now?
Speaker 3: Free?
Speaker 2: I am it helps with my endometrios has.
Speaker 4: Heard of it?
Speaker 2: Yeah right, yeah, helps with the end Have you always known?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: I got surgery about good Lord about eighteen months ago,
Speaker 2: just before Mabel was born, and they were like, oh,
Speaker 2: and you know, the only way they can really tell
Speaker 2: that you've got it is getting in there. And he
Speaker 2: was like, and when I woke up. We took about
Speaker 2: eight nine and they took my appendix.
Speaker 4: Oh they took Europe.
Speaker 2: It looked busted and Endo can hit the appendix. But
Speaker 2: then they tested it and it was fine. I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: put it back, like Chinese medicine wants that back in,
Speaker 2: you know, but they took it. I was a bit cross.
Speaker 2: Have you noticed anything? What do you mean do you
Speaker 2: feel different since the surgery? I was really good for
Speaker 2: about six months, and then the pain and the really
Speaker 2: bad period started again. So then I got an I U.
Speaker 4: D right, did help? Yes?
Speaker 2: I mean it's just put It's like ever played a
Speaker 2: piano with the muton? Yeah? Yeah, you know they've just muted,
Speaker 2: just muted my system, which is also a bit scary
Speaker 2: because I know something's Brilly, I've got a chronic condition.
Speaker 4: Maybe it's not.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but what I have noticed is if even with
Speaker 2: the idea, if I'm not on, if I don't eat gluten,
Speaker 2: I have less pelvic pain. Right. Soon's listening. They've got
Speaker 2: pelvic pain right, And it's not digestive. It's definitely of
Speaker 2: the inflammation. Yeah, but it's boring. But yeah, it was
Speaker 2: just a weird time. I was like, I just I'm suffering.
Speaker 2: These periods are nuts.
Speaker 4: What do you eat now?
Speaker 3: Then?
Speaker 4: What do you say? Rice? Is okay?
Speaker 2: I eat everything just like GF?
Speaker 4: But not oh yeah, okay.
Speaker 2: Like today we had an avocado toast. It was GF.
Speaker 4: Yeah. And does everyone eat what you eat now?
Speaker 2: Do you? I sometimes make different pasta for me, but
Speaker 2: I don't really. I mean, it's a weird time.
Speaker 4: Are you a cook?
Speaker 2: Not really?
Speaker 4: I'd like more. No, it were too busy.
Speaker 2: But we all to Matilda Brown's company, the good Food Company.
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna give them a big Oh. I've spent
Speaker 2: so much money at that company. And they that's gluten
Speaker 2: free and that's freezing meals and we just have lived.
Speaker 2: We live because I spoke to her mum on no Filter,
Speaker 2: I love that whole family. Bryan Brown can stay. I
Speaker 2: love that man. I love Rachel, don't know her, love Matilda.
Speaker 2: But yeah, they they take care of us. That they
Speaker 2: don't take it, but that takes care of our family.
Speaker 4: That food good.
Speaker 2: Because it's really good food and it is gluten free.
Speaker 2: And then you might put a rice or something with that.
Speaker 2: But I liked cooking before life got crazy. Yes, i
Speaker 2: I'm like Patty called me. I'm the zen chef. I
Speaker 2: don't need the recipe recipe, but I'm more feel also
Speaker 2: like doing a bit of that.
Speaker 3: You know what's in the cupboard? Oh wow, I think
Speaker 3: cupboard surprise. This is like a little bit like your
Speaker 3: approach to life, is it? Don't you think that? You're
Speaker 3: like when when? When this is in season? This is
Speaker 3: what we'll do?
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 2: I try to be yeah, there's no control in this.
Speaker 2: This has been the biggest lesson of my vocation is
Speaker 2: that I've got girlfriends who are like, should we do
Speaker 2: Italy for our fortieth or like will you be in
Speaker 2: my wedding? And I'm like, I've never I can never
Speaker 2: say yes.
Speaker 4: Yes.
Speaker 2: We just have to keep going where the tide takes us.
Speaker 2: And now it's getting a little harder as the kids
Speaker 2: get bigger, but like I have to kind of be
Speaker 2: a happy cork.
Speaker 4: On the tide.
Speaker 2: But now I am plan the water down a little. Yes,
Speaker 2: you have a plan a little bit. But you know what,
Speaker 2: we could get an email tomorrow that changes all that, Like, oh,
Speaker 2: they like you for this, but we werrice if you
Speaker 2: don't get an email, I'd like an email, but in
Speaker 2: a minute. Let's call it in a minute, you know.
Speaker 3: You know, there's also the concept, Harry of saying no,
Speaker 3: that you can plan.
Speaker 4: What you want.
Speaker 3: You can go to the calendar and put in your
Speaker 3: girlfriend's fortieth yea, and then work around that.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I would like to know it's my
Speaker 2: sister's fortieth and September, but Patty's on his world tour
Speaker 2: for last scene, right, like whatever it's called last scene. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I can't surprise her and Sydney, right because they
Speaker 2: will have no parents. He's doing like New York. So
Speaker 2: it's two it's two people's craziness too.
Speaker 4: How your sister directed, yeah.
Speaker 2: Madeline, yeah four, she's amazing.
Speaker 4: In Colin So it's a real family.
Speaker 2: Yeah. My dad and my brother were also extras in
Speaker 2: a bait and there's a man choir and they sing
Speaker 2: and oh that's c and Mum probably would love to
Speaker 2: be in it. Sorry, Mum, she's desperate it. You know what,
Speaker 2: I really fucked that up there.
Speaker 4: You've got to come back to another series.
Speaker 2: Dad was an extra in season one two and she
Speaker 2: was like, right, but Mom deserves to be that. But
Speaker 2: she would. She probably lose sleep over it. It's so
Speaker 2: stressful being on camera if you're not.
Speaker 4: Used to it.
Speaker 2: She could be an extra, yeah, she could be, but
Speaker 2: she's not. But also they live in Townsville. It's a
Speaker 2: whole I know the producers. I slept with them and
Speaker 2: so does she. Yeah, she bore me. Horrett Dire, you're
Speaker 2: a piece of gold. That's very nice of you.
Speaker 4: Thank you for.
Speaker 3: You did something really beautiful with Colin, which is showed
Speaker 3: the rest of the world a type of Australian philosophy
Speaker 3: that I think is really lovely. Yeah, you know, perfect
Speaker 3: in it's imperfection. Yeah, messy, massy, but got heart, a
Speaker 3: lot of heart. That's what we were going for. And
Speaker 3: we spoke to someone today said that some of the characters,
Speaker 3: they find them a bit mean, and I thought, oh,
Speaker 3: maybe that's just.
Speaker 2: Your where you're.
Speaker 4: But they've got everyone.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of warmth.
Speaker 4: Everyone's got mean in them. Everyone's got mean, and.
Speaker 2: Mean is like safe in a way. I hope it's
Speaker 2: not too mean. Is it too mean?
Speaker 3: I think if it was too mean, people wouldn't love
Speaker 3: it the way they do. Yeah, but I think it
Speaker 3: is refreshing to see people that allow themselves that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, to be a bit grootdy yeah yeah, and like
Speaker 2: to cause someone's stat of fuck with and then he dies.
Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean? It's like, yeah, but
Speaker 2: thank you. We definitely tried to just, I don't know,
Speaker 2: do something, do something different.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: That also felt kind of I don't know of people
Speaker 2: of the vernacular, did it.
Speaker 4: Were you surprised by the reception?
Speaker 2: Yeah, hugely. We just remember we walked out of the
Speaker 2: edit in season one, watching the sunset over annandale backpacks
Speaker 2: on our shoulders and were like, we have no idea
Speaker 2: if that's any good, but we like it. And that
Speaker 2: was how we ended that, and then they asked for
Speaker 2: more and we feel a bit similar now, but no,
Speaker 2: we're just so excited to get it out there now
Speaker 2: because it's just it feels like it feels like we're
Speaker 2: I've never been pressed, but I feel about forty eight.
Speaker 3: Weeks right, it's an elephant gestation out yeah, right, I
Speaker 3: have a horrible feeling you're going to do something heartbreaking.
Speaker 3: Don't tell me you're okay, am I okay, okay, it's
Speaker 3: safe to love safe.
Speaker 2: You're okay, Okay, You're okay.
Speaker 4: Thanks, Harry, I love you.
Speaker 2: Oh. I shouldn't have been scared.
Speaker 4: You shouldn't have been scared. Oh.
Speaker 3: One of the things I loved about this conversation was
Speaker 3: Harry's honesty about success because from the outside, her career,
Speaker 3: like many.
Speaker 4: Successful people's careers, could look.
Speaker 3: Effortless, but behind it are years of rejection, uncertainty, hard work,
Speaker 3: and a willingness to keep putting herself in uncomfortable situations
Speaker 3: even when she was scared.
Speaker 4: It's also a reminder.
Speaker 3: That some of the best creative partnerships aren't.
Speaker 4: Built on perfection. They're built on.
Speaker 3: Trust, curiosity, and finding someone who believes in you as
Speaker 3: much as you believe in them. The third and final
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