WEBVTT - A Gold Medal In Olympic Perving 0:00:10.287 --> 0:00:13.047 You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast. 0:00:13.727 --> 0:00:16.767 Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters 0:00:16.807 --> 0:00:18.407 that this podcast is recorded on. 0:00:22.447 --> 0:00:24.287 Hello and welcome. 0:00:23.887 --> 0:00:26.247 To MoMA Mia out loud. It's what women are actually 0:00:26.287 --> 0:00:30.287 talking about on Wednesday, the thirty first of July, third 0:00:30.447 --> 0:00:32.527 first of I'm not going to do that. It's boring. 0:00:33.047 --> 0:00:36.887 I'm Holly way right, I'm mea Friedman, and I'm Jesse Stevens. 0:00:36.967 --> 0:00:38.967 Can you please leave in the bit where Holly just 0:00:39.007 --> 0:00:41.527 realized her thought was boring, I think that's a bit 0:00:41.567 --> 0:00:43.887 of bts. Is every time we see the date, we 0:00:43.887 --> 0:00:47.007 should go, oh. 0:00:46.007 --> 0:00:49.967 I'm already stop it, Holly, Like every time you see 0:00:49.967 --> 0:00:53.887 a child, it's grown so much. When I saw you 0:00:54.247 --> 0:00:56.247 this hard, gosh, the year's flying. 0:00:56.287 --> 0:01:01.327 It's blown anyway, Okay, moving off on the show today, 0:01:01.647 --> 0:01:06.647 Hey Boomer. Olympic vibes today are settling on the bottoms 0:01:06.687 --> 0:01:09.847 of beach volleyballers and how much of them we can see, 0:01:10.207 --> 0:01:13.527 and on the question of whether we've really stopped valuing 0:01:13.727 --> 0:01:18.487 soldiering on Also, we're unpacking the unexpected tale of a 0:01:18.487 --> 0:01:21.527 woman who wants to charge another woman for hosting her 0:01:21.607 --> 0:01:25.847 kid for a playdate. And is hiring a professional bridesmaid 0:01:26.007 --> 0:01:30.327 sad as Hell or a feminist act, but first Mia Friedman. 0:01:30.647 --> 0:01:31.527 In case you missed it. 0:01:31.527 --> 0:01:35.047 In news from Paris, the Americans have their own version 0:01:35.087 --> 0:01:38.527 of girl math for tallying Olympic medals and it's working 0:01:38.647 --> 0:01:41.927 very well for them, but the Internet in other countries. 0:01:41.887 --> 0:01:43.047 Is not happy. 0:01:43.207 --> 0:01:46.567 The current Paris Olympic Game medal tally stands with Japan 0:01:46.727 --> 0:01:48.887 leading the gold, which is unexpected. 0:01:49.087 --> 0:01:50.247 Did Japan usually win? 0:01:50.487 --> 0:01:50.567 Like? 0:01:50.687 --> 0:01:54.167 Yeah, they usually everything changes in week two because then 0:01:54.207 --> 0:01:56.847 it's track and field, right, So Australia often goes well 0:01:56.847 --> 0:01:58.687 in week one because it's swimming and we're like, look 0:01:58.727 --> 0:02:01.807 at us punching so far above our way. So at 0:02:01.847 --> 0:02:05.087 the moment, it's Japan, followed by China, and guess who's 0:02:05.127 --> 0:02:08.687 third Australia. Australia, which is pretty impressive, and the United 0:02:08.727 --> 0:02:11.087 States is down at number six. 0:02:11.487 --> 0:02:13.727 Must be after France and South Korea had for them. 0:02:13.727 --> 0:02:14.887 But if you look at the way that the. 0:02:14.767 --> 0:02:18.127 New York Times is keeping track, America is on top, 0:02:18.367 --> 0:02:21.767 coming fast because the US Italian total. 0:02:21.407 --> 0:02:24.487 Medals as opposed to gold gold, gold, Okay, because they 0:02:24.567 --> 0:02:26.487 which feel convenient for them. 0:02:26.127 --> 0:02:28.567 The same thing at a recent swimming championship and the 0:02:28.607 --> 0:02:34.167 Australians got very annoyed. I respect and appreciate what they 0:02:34.167 --> 0:02:36.367 are doing working the numbers. They're working the numbers and 0:02:36.407 --> 0:02:38.447 what the US does, which I love, and they did 0:02:38.447 --> 0:02:41.407 this during the Tokyo Olympics, is that they actually switch 0:02:41.487 --> 0:02:43.727 how they count the medals based on where America will 0:02:43.767 --> 0:02:46.967 sit on the tally. So last time they counted it 0:02:47.047 --> 0:02:49.047 like that because they were on top, but then they 0:02:49.047 --> 0:02:50.847 won the other way and they went back to that 0:02:51.007 --> 0:02:53.727 at the end. So they're just like, we'll just fiddle 0:02:53.767 --> 0:02:56.927 with the numbers so that we're always on top. 0:02:56.767 --> 0:03:00.927 Because like it, like it total metal, because I'm a 0:03:00.927 --> 0:03:03.647 snowflake and I believe that all medals are like you've 0:03:03.647 --> 0:03:04.607 tried really hard. 0:03:04.447 --> 0:03:05.287 Well, so sweet. 0:03:05.447 --> 0:03:09.247 The total medals is United States on the top, France, China, Japan, Britain, 0:03:09.327 --> 0:03:12.847 Australia then is number I can't count, but like seven. 0:03:13.007 --> 0:03:15.287 The thing is, I like it better when we're higher. 0:03:15.327 --> 0:03:18.087 Every country in the world as well as like you know, 0:03:18.207 --> 0:03:20.807 the Olympic, they don't have an official way of doing it, 0:03:20.927 --> 0:03:23.167 so the US have founded a loophole, but every single 0:03:23.207 --> 0:03:25.767 country in the world counts it. One way is by 0:03:25.887 --> 0:03:26.607 basically how many. 0:03:26.527 --> 0:03:28.487 Gold you know how Holly would like to count by 0:03:28.487 --> 0:03:29.607 how hard people try. 0:03:29.727 --> 0:03:33.567 I would. That's exactly how I rate my kids' school reports. 0:03:33.807 --> 0:03:37.567 They get all the credit for the effort score. That's 0:03:37.607 --> 0:03:38.007 who I am. 0:03:38.607 --> 0:03:40.407 Good way they go for possibly. 0:03:39.967 --> 0:03:43.087 Why I'm not an Olympian one of the many, many 0:03:43.207 --> 0:03:46.887 reasons why I'm not an Olympian. Just a disclaimer out 0:03:46.927 --> 0:03:49.407 louders with our Olympic vibes segments that I'm sure we're 0:03:49.407 --> 0:03:51.127 going to do a few times over the next couple 0:03:51.167 --> 0:03:51.567 of weeks. 0:03:51.887 --> 0:03:53.967 We're not sports reporters. 0:03:53.847 --> 0:03:56.007 And this is not the place to come if you 0:03:56.047 --> 0:03:58.887 want a rundown of the metal tally or even you know, 0:03:59.487 --> 0:04:01.927 lots of results about all our brilliant Australian athletes. That's 0:04:01.927 --> 0:04:02.647 not what we're here for. 0:04:02.687 --> 0:04:03.807 We're here for vibes and feelings. 0:04:03.807 --> 0:04:06.327 We're here for vibes and feelings, and I hope it 0:04:06.367 --> 0:04:08.407 goes without saying that we don't know anything so we'll 0:04:08.447 --> 0:04:11.887 probably get the terminology wrong and like you on the 0:04:11.887 --> 0:04:15.727 couch at home, we're just going with our vibes. We 0:04:15.847 --> 0:04:18.607 obviously support all the Olympians with one things, and the 0:04:18.607 --> 0:04:21.407 ones who haven't they're your favorites the way they're my favorites. 0:04:21.447 --> 0:04:22.367 I like the tryers. 0:04:22.447 --> 0:04:23.527 I like the ones with the metals. 0:04:23.527 --> 0:04:28.887 I'm here for the tryers. Oh good vibes, great vibe, 0:04:29.047 --> 0:04:29.967 what a great time. 0:04:31.167 --> 0:04:33.687 We have more Olympic vibes to bring. We had so 0:04:33.807 --> 0:04:35.447 many things we're desperate to talk about today. 0:04:35.487 --> 0:04:37.127 Still can't work out how to watch it, but we 0:04:37.287 --> 0:04:38.247 can discuss that later. 0:04:38.327 --> 0:04:39.407 I have and I'm going to show. 0:04:39.527 --> 0:04:42.647 We got massively called boomers for that. Today we were 0:04:42.687 --> 0:04:45.847 in our meeting. We brought back that we're finding it 0:04:45.927 --> 0:04:47.207 hard to watch it. I'm like, I don't know. I 0:04:47.247 --> 0:04:50.327 haven't seen the single gymnastic event. I can't find it anywhere. 0:04:52.007 --> 0:04:54.687 Our ahead of content Lisa just looked at us and said, 0:04:55.087 --> 0:04:57.287 you know, the whole editorial team is laughing at you. 0:04:58.247 --> 0:04:59.447 Do you know what it feels like to me? 0:04:59.607 --> 0:05:01.847 It feels like news eve where you're sure that there's 0:05:01.887 --> 0:05:04.887 a better party going on somewhere, you just don't know where, 0:05:05.207 --> 0:05:06.967 and you're always at the wrong party. 0:05:07.007 --> 0:05:09.807 I just feel like I'm always watching the wrong No, 0:05:09.887 --> 0:05:11.687 I understand. Anyway, back to vibes. 0:05:12.047 --> 0:05:14.487 Look, I want to talk about this headline I saw 0:05:14.487 --> 0:05:18.567 this morning is competing with a raptured ligament an active bravery? 0:05:18.687 --> 0:05:21.567 Is it something we should celebrate or something we should critique. 0:05:21.807 --> 0:05:23.647 So the headline I saw this morning was on news 0:05:23.687 --> 0:05:28.607 dot com and it read Mexican gymnast Natalia Escalera's incredible 0:05:28.607 --> 0:05:31.487 active bravery at Paras Olympics, and it went on to 0:05:31.567 --> 0:05:34.447 report how she had a raptured ligament in her foot 0:05:34.887 --> 0:05:38.567 but still competed in the uneven bars. Afterwards, she broke 0:05:38.607 --> 0:05:40.727 down in tears of pain and her coach needed to 0:05:40.767 --> 0:05:44.407 carry her to a nearby chair. The Mexican Olympic Committee 0:05:44.447 --> 0:05:48.647 praised her on their social media pages. They posted applause 0:05:48.727 --> 0:05:53.247 for Natalia Escalera despite having a tear, the Mexican makes 0:05:53.247 --> 0:05:56.247 her presentation on the uneven bars of the all around. 0:05:56.847 --> 0:05:59.007 The reason I find this interesting is that I watched 0:05:59.007 --> 0:06:02.087 the Simone Bios documentary over the weekend which looked back 0:06:02.447 --> 0:06:06.127 on gymnasts who had competed with sprained ankles or torn ligaments. 0:06:06.567 --> 0:06:08.807 Their pain was visible on their faces, and a lot 0:06:08.847 --> 0:06:13.727 of commons in that documentary said, gymnastics is changing. This 0:06:13.807 --> 0:06:17.007 takes a toll. We're putting the humanity of our athletes. First. 0:06:17.607 --> 0:06:21.447 Biles famously pulled out of the Tokyo Olympics, but then 0:06:21.487 --> 0:06:24.287 even Biles in this Olympics, she has a torn calf 0:06:24.327 --> 0:06:28.207 ligament and she secured a gold medal overnight. What do 0:06:28.327 --> 0:06:32.047 we think? Is this bravery or is there something more 0:06:32.127 --> 0:06:33.487 sinister at play? 0:06:33.767 --> 0:06:37.807 This is how we all become experts while we're watching TV, 0:06:38.047 --> 0:06:40.807 right every four years. When you said that and you 0:06:40.887 --> 0:06:43.927 said the torn ligament in her foot, I was like ow. 0:06:44.007 --> 0:06:46.287 But then when you said on even bars, I'm like, well, 0:06:46.327 --> 0:06:48.447 hang on a second, you don't that's not a weight 0:06:48.487 --> 0:06:51.087 beun How does she land exercise except for the land 0:06:51.727 --> 0:06:54.807 that part, which is awkward. You're right, but like most 0:06:54.847 --> 0:06:56.847 of it, it's not like a floor routine or a 0:06:56.887 --> 0:06:59.847 beam or even a vault where you've got to like run. 0:07:00.207 --> 0:07:02.567 So her medical team said she couldn't compete in the 0:07:02.607 --> 0:07:04.367 others and they did clear her for this, but there 0:07:04.407 --> 0:07:07.007 was still controversy because she has to land. 0:07:06.847 --> 0:07:09.447 And you know that when she does land, hopefully on 0:07:09.487 --> 0:07:12.567 two feet, it's not going to be good for whatever 0:07:12.607 --> 0:07:13.327 the injury is. 0:07:13.647 --> 0:07:15.207 It wasn't good looking at her face. 0:07:15.407 --> 0:07:20.207 By then, her routine's pretty finished. So I would. 0:07:19.927 --> 0:07:23.287 Say these are athletes with free will, right, so are 0:07:23.327 --> 0:07:25.167 they well hopefully, I. 0:07:25.127 --> 0:07:26.287 Know they feel a lot of pressure. 0:07:26.287 --> 0:07:29.047 But imagine training something all your life and would you 0:07:29.087 --> 0:07:31.847 be like I could sit it out or I could 0:07:31.887 --> 0:07:34.407 just try. Well, but it's the way that sounds like 0:07:34.447 --> 0:07:36.847 I'm criticizing Simone Bars and I'm not, because Simone Bars 0:07:36.887 --> 0:07:40.367 knew that she could die, like in that vole, if 0:07:40.367 --> 0:07:42.407 you've got the twisties and you lose where you are, Like, 0:07:42.487 --> 0:07:45.287 vaulting is incredibly dangerous. I mean all gymnastics is, but 0:07:45.367 --> 0:07:49.567 vaulting particularly, and she knew that she. 0:07:49.727 --> 0:07:51.807 Could risk her life if she were to do that. 0:07:51.967 --> 0:07:55.007 This is typical of all sport. Right. You will see 0:07:55.207 --> 0:07:58.327 players playing their rugby league grum final with a broken jaw. 0:07:58.687 --> 0:08:01.327 You will see them being sent off because they've got 0:08:01.367 --> 0:08:03.847 a gash in their head and begging to be sent 0:08:03.927 --> 0:08:07.447 back on. And it is seen as weak to let 0:08:07.487 --> 0:08:10.887 your team down and inverted because you've had a bit 0:08:10.927 --> 0:08:12.967 of a k nook. Right, So this is very common 0:08:13.007 --> 0:08:16.607 in all sports. These gymnasts are representing themselves but also 0:08:16.647 --> 0:08:21.167 their countries. As you've said, they have trained so hard 0:08:21.207 --> 0:08:23.487 for years and years and years, so everything is about 0:08:23.527 --> 0:08:26.167 this moment and if you injure yourself in that moment 0:08:26.287 --> 0:08:29.287 and then you're like, the pressure to go on is enormous. 0:08:29.647 --> 0:08:32.567 I think the pressure do you mean external and internal pressure? 0:08:32.607 --> 0:08:35.407 So I think one of the reasons why what Siman 0:08:35.487 --> 0:08:38.767 Biles did was so extraordinary is it was seen in 0:08:38.807 --> 0:08:41.207 some quarters as letting the country down, Like I don't 0:08:41.247 --> 0:08:44.367 think that, but you know, it was seen as we 0:08:44.447 --> 0:08:46.367 know now that the US aren't going to do as 0:08:46.367 --> 0:08:48.647 well or will they do as well without her? She 0:08:48.767 --> 0:08:52.207 was letting the country down, and that pressure can't be underestimated. 0:08:52.607 --> 0:08:56.327 But resilience is something that athletes know a lot about. 0:08:56.367 --> 0:08:59.127 We bandy around the world resilience all the time as 0:08:59.167 --> 0:09:01.807 a good thing. Right, We're trying to make our children 0:09:01.847 --> 0:09:04.847 more resilient. We're trying to make ourselves more resilient. We've 0:09:04.887 --> 0:09:08.247 got it very high up our value medal table. It's 0:09:08.327 --> 0:09:10.967 winning gold, right, it's top of the leader. Yeah, And 0:09:11.047 --> 0:09:13.847 so athletes know about resilience in a way that lots 0:09:13.847 --> 0:09:16.167 of us don't because nearly everything they do, Like if 0:09:16.167 --> 0:09:19.127 you've trained for a fun run, which I have, you'll 0:09:19.127 --> 0:09:22.527 do your knee and then you have to decide am 0:09:22.527 --> 0:09:24.927 I going to sit out now because I've done my 0:09:25.007 --> 0:09:27.487 knee when I've been training for three months, or am 0:09:27.527 --> 0:09:29.607 I going to strap it up and pump the neurofen? 0:09:29.967 --> 0:09:32.247 You know, run that thing? What did you do? I ran, 0:09:32.527 --> 0:09:35.127 I pumped the neurofen. Run that thing? Hurt my knee. 0:09:35.247 --> 0:09:37.047 Me and Simone Biles have a great deal in common. 0:09:38.167 --> 0:09:41.087 I think that we have to give them the credit 0:09:41.167 --> 0:09:44.447 and the autonomy to know whether or not they want 0:09:44.487 --> 0:09:44.967 to do it. 0:09:45.167 --> 0:09:48.247 I agree, I reckon that the added layer, of course, 0:09:48.567 --> 0:09:51.247 is pressure from coaches, pressure from. 0:09:51.247 --> 0:09:54.607 Sponsors, not necessarily in this context, but generally. 0:09:54.807 --> 0:09:57.367 Yeah, because it's also I've heard people talk about the 0:09:57.407 --> 0:10:00.367 money thing. It's like a nation has invested an enormous 0:10:00.367 --> 0:10:03.887 amount in an athlete, and if they choose the question 0:10:03.967 --> 0:10:07.927 of choice is interesting because agency we have to take 0:10:07.967 --> 0:10:09.887 into account the amount of pressure that they feel. 0:10:10.047 --> 0:10:12.127 I get why you have medical team, Like you mentioned 0:10:12.167 --> 0:10:15.647 the Mexican gym Maston. Her medical team cleared her for 0:10:15.687 --> 0:10:17.647 this but said she couldn't. So it almost needs to 0:10:17.687 --> 0:10:20.367 be taken out of your hands, right, Yeah, to an extent, 0:10:20.407 --> 0:10:22.407 because you're not necessarily the best judge of what you're 0:10:22.447 --> 0:10:23.007 capable of. 0:10:23.607 --> 0:10:26.687 Yes, but most athletes, and this is why I find 0:10:26.727 --> 0:10:30.527 watching sports so interesting are in a lot of pain 0:10:30.647 --> 0:10:33.447 doing what they're doing for us, So I always think of. 0:10:33.567 --> 0:10:36.127 Ratha doing it for us, though, good question. 0:10:36.327 --> 0:10:39.207 Grafe on Theadal, for example, plays in chronic pain and 0:10:39.287 --> 0:10:41.967 has for most of his career. He's got tendinitis, he's 0:10:41.967 --> 0:10:44.567 got like these foot conditions with ligaments and everything. 0:10:45.327 --> 0:10:47.327 And so you're saying that's altruism. 0:10:47.727 --> 0:10:50.447 No, no, no, no, no, I'm not. I'm just saying that 0:10:50.887 --> 0:10:55.407 how much pain you are willing to grit your teeth 0:10:55.527 --> 0:10:58.007 and bear is obviously a choice for you to make. 0:10:58.927 --> 0:11:02.567 But I struggle with our framing of it as bravery. 0:11:02.607 --> 0:11:05.367 I thought it was an interesting choice for news and 0:11:05.407 --> 0:11:08.527 for the Mexican Olympic Committee and for other people watching 0:11:08.967 --> 0:11:11.207 to rain this person is brave because I think it 0:11:11.287 --> 0:11:14.047 says a lot about what we value and a lot 0:11:14.087 --> 0:11:15.887 about us culturally, which. 0:11:15.687 --> 0:11:17.247 Is that so bravery is suffering. 0:11:17.447 --> 0:11:20.687 Bravery is suffering. And that is why when Simone Biles 0:11:20.727 --> 0:11:23.687 pulled out, there was this pushback, because it was this 0:11:23.807 --> 0:11:26.567 sense of like, even in an Australian Olympian in the 0:11:26.647 --> 0:11:28.887 last twenty four hours is pulled out because she has 0:11:28.927 --> 0:11:30.767 COVID and she can't do the fifteen hundred meters and 0:11:30.807 --> 0:11:33.287 I thought, I wonder how it feels if you're an 0:11:33.327 --> 0:11:36.047 athlete who is injured, who is sick, and has gone 0:11:36.047 --> 0:11:38.567 I can't do this, and then you see that framed 0:11:38.607 --> 0:11:42.927 as bravery, if that compounds your own sense of letting 0:11:42.967 --> 0:11:43.487 the team down. 0:11:43.607 --> 0:11:46.767 It's also interesting because just bringing this back to the 0:11:46.847 --> 0:11:51.687 Dallas cowboy cheery, as everything does as relate the jump splits, 0:11:51.727 --> 0:11:53.327 meant that they all went on to have hit well, 0:11:53.367 --> 0:11:54.967 not all, but many of them went on to have 0:11:55.087 --> 0:11:59.567 serious health implications and hip operations. We know that American 0:11:59.567 --> 0:12:02.047 footballers have a very high rate of brain injury. It's 0:12:02.087 --> 0:12:04.567 something that is being looked into, and it's put a 0:12:04.607 --> 0:12:07.167 sort of cloud over the sport. Boxing's a same. Various 0:12:07.207 --> 0:12:09.687 forms of football are the same. Is that being your 0:12:09.727 --> 0:12:12.527 all for your team and country, which as Jesse is 0:12:12.607 --> 0:12:16.207 possibly framing as altruism, will come at a significant personal 0:12:16.247 --> 0:12:21.767 cost to you health wise, possibly ongoing? And again, who 0:12:21.847 --> 0:12:24.527 are you paying that for? Is that like the mark 0:12:24.567 --> 0:12:28.127 of a hero, like a wounded warrior, or is that 0:12:28.767 --> 0:12:31.447 like a lacks duty of care on the side of 0:12:31.487 --> 0:12:33.087 the organization that you're playing for. 0:12:33.447 --> 0:12:35.607 Well, I want to change gears and talk about some 0:12:35.687 --> 0:12:40.247 other vibes, and that is volleyball, and also some bottoms 0:12:40.407 --> 0:12:41.327 and some crotches. 0:12:41.687 --> 0:12:43.247 Is that all you can find to watch? Because you 0:12:43.247 --> 0:12:44.887 don't know what you're meant to be watching, so you 0:12:45.047 --> 0:12:50.887 just my TV isn't going anywhere else. 0:12:50.927 --> 0:12:52.727 Gymnastic last night. But I only like to watch the 0:12:52.727 --> 0:12:55.447 women's gymnastics. I don't really like to watch the men's gymnastics. 0:12:55.447 --> 0:12:57.327 Although the guy on the pummel horse, who looks like 0:12:57.367 --> 0:13:00.087 Clark Kenton, has a little snooze and then just whips 0:13:00.087 --> 0:13:01.927 his glasses off, gets up, does the pummel. 0:13:02.367 --> 0:13:05.887 He's a bit of an Internet here right now. Anyway. 0:13:06.047 --> 0:13:10.807 Olympic camera operators have been issued of formal warning over 0:13:10.847 --> 0:13:14.087 the way they film female athletes this week, as the 0:13:14.127 --> 0:13:19.087 Olympic Broadcasting Service boss admits stereotypes and sexism remain now. 0:13:19.087 --> 0:13:21.887 The head of the Olympic Broadcasting Services has actually called 0:13:21.967 --> 0:13:25.167 for an update in its guidelines for camera operators who 0:13:25.207 --> 0:13:29.167 are mostly men, to combat these stereotypes, and he's told 0:13:29.207 --> 0:13:33.407 reporters in Paris, unfortunately, in some events, the women are 0:13:33.447 --> 0:13:35.567 still being filmed in a way that you can identify 0:13:35.607 --> 0:13:38.127 that stereotypes and sexism remain even from the way in 0:13:38.127 --> 0:13:41.887 which some camera operators are framing differently men and women athletes. 0:13:42.327 --> 0:13:44.407 Women athletes are not there because they are more attractive 0:13:44.487 --> 0:13:46.207 or sexy or whatever. They are there because they are 0:13:46.207 --> 0:13:48.567 elite athletes. Now, I happen to be watching the volleyball 0:13:48.607 --> 0:13:51.007 beach volleyball last night, as I said, and I was 0:13:51.087 --> 0:13:53.607 really struck by a couple of things, two of which 0:13:53.767 --> 0:13:55.927 I want to unpack with you all. The first is 0:13:56.607 --> 0:13:59.727 the camera angles, because there's a lot of you know, 0:13:59.767 --> 0:14:03.367 when you're preparing to take a shot whatever it's called, receiver, 0:14:03.687 --> 0:14:06.687 someone serving to you, you do a bit of a squat, 0:14:06.767 --> 0:14:09.207 like you sort of squat, you lean over on your horn. 0:14:10.327 --> 0:14:13.447 And because some of the beach volleyball uniforms I was 0:14:13.487 --> 0:14:17.327 watching last night, the Italians versus the Egyptians, and I'll 0:14:17.327 --> 0:14:19.327 get to the uniforms in a second, but there are 0:14:19.327 --> 0:14:23.087 some very close up shots of the bums of Do. 0:14:23.007 --> 0:14:24.727 You think they're breaking these regulations? 0:14:25.207 --> 0:14:27.887 Yes, I think they might be, although I suppose they 0:14:27.927 --> 0:14:30.287 could pull back, like they don't have to go on 0:14:30.327 --> 0:14:32.247 a close up. So what they're talking about is close 0:14:32.287 --> 0:14:35.767 ups of female athletes body parts, so you could do 0:14:35.847 --> 0:14:37.927 a more respectful I don't think you have to go 0:14:38.007 --> 0:14:41.407 like right up the bum to capture what's going on. 0:14:41.487 --> 0:14:43.607 I think it is. It did feel fairly gratuitous. 0:14:44.167 --> 0:14:46.527 But what I wanted to actually talk about was the 0:14:46.607 --> 0:14:49.447 uniforms because in this match it was so interesting, and 0:14:49.487 --> 0:14:51.367 of course the Olympics, and we're talking about what women 0:14:51.367 --> 0:14:53.207 are wearing. We're not talking about what any men are wearing. 0:14:53.967 --> 0:14:54.927 But such is life. 0:14:55.167 --> 0:14:56.567 The Egyptian beach. 0:14:56.407 --> 0:15:01.407 Volleyball players wearing black leggings, they were covered ankle to wrist, 0:15:01.647 --> 0:15:03.567 and they also had huebs on, and then they had 0:15:03.647 --> 0:15:09.087 loose t shirts on over their leggings and long sleeve tops. 0:15:09.487 --> 0:15:13.807 And then the Italian players had teeny little low cut, 0:15:13.887 --> 0:15:17.487 low rise bikini bottoms and little. 0:15:17.287 --> 0:15:20.447 Tops with very sort of cutout in the back. And 0:15:20.527 --> 0:15:22.007 I just thought, isn't that interesting. 0:15:22.407 --> 0:15:24.647 There's a whole lot of conversations and a whole lot 0:15:24.647 --> 0:15:29.127 of subtext here about women's choices, women's bodies, sport, what 0:15:29.247 --> 0:15:29.887 it all means. 0:15:29.927 --> 0:15:30.927 I wanted to unpack it. 0:15:31.047 --> 0:15:35.807 Well, beach volleyball. It's interesting because playing beach volleyball in 0:15:35.847 --> 0:15:38.567 a bikini is true to the origins of the sport, 0:15:38.727 --> 0:15:42.767 right it was invented that game on the beaches of Hawaii, 0:15:43.047 --> 0:15:46.127 southern California, Rio like, it's a game you play on 0:15:46.167 --> 0:15:47.807 a beach in your swimmers and then you get in 0:15:47.807 --> 0:15:52.167 the ocean. Men typically play it topless. Right that the Olympics. 0:15:52.207 --> 0:15:55.047 Men aren't allowed to be topless. That's why they're wearing 0:15:55.247 --> 0:15:59.127 board shorts and a vest right, and women traditionally have 0:15:59.207 --> 0:16:04.687 still basically been wearing bikinis two pieces. In twenty twelve, 0:16:04.727 --> 0:16:08.967 they changed that rule because obviously the bikini issue was 0:16:09.007 --> 0:16:14.207 a to a lot of people playing that sport religious reasons, 0:16:14.247 --> 0:16:16.847 social reasons, or I just don't want to be in 0:16:16.887 --> 0:16:19.567 my bikini there. And so now there's a choice. And 0:16:19.607 --> 0:16:21.287 you will see if you watch a lot of beach 0:16:21.367 --> 0:16:24.967 volleyball that some nations are wearing leggings. You're allowed to 0:16:24.967 --> 0:16:27.607 wear leggings, and so they'll wear little crop tops and leggings. 0:16:28.127 --> 0:16:30.287 And there has been pushback from a lot of gross 0:16:30.287 --> 0:16:32.527 sexist men who are like, oh, I came to the 0:16:32.527 --> 0:16:33.927 beach volleyball to see. 0:16:33.807 --> 0:16:37.087 Us on that isn't enough ass quite a lot of 0:16:37.127 --> 0:16:37.807 us on my TV. 0:16:37.967 --> 0:16:40.247 Oh my goodness. But then on the other hand, now 0:16:40.287 --> 0:16:42.767 that it's a choice, there's a bit of pressure on 0:16:42.847 --> 0:16:45.807 the athletes who want to still wear their bikinis, and 0:16:45.847 --> 0:16:49.767 you'll see an enormous amount of variety in the cut 0:16:49.807 --> 0:16:52.327 of the briefs and all those things from nation to nation. 0:16:52.887 --> 0:16:55.367 But there is a choice, right. I did a bit 0:16:55.407 --> 0:16:56.887 of a deep dive into why they have to be 0:16:57.007 --> 0:17:00.127 like that. A lot of the athletes say, if you're 0:17:00.167 --> 0:17:03.327 wearing a two piece, you get a lot of sand. Right, 0:17:03.367 --> 0:17:05.887 so you're diving, as you know, he meats volleyball, You're 0:17:05.887 --> 0:17:08.327 diving into the sand all the time, it gets down 0:17:08.367 --> 0:17:11.127 your top. It's deeply uncomfortable, all of that stuff. So 0:17:11.167 --> 0:17:13.767 you basically want as little they would say, as little 0:17:13.767 --> 0:17:15.447 as possible between you. And so that's what. 0:17:15.407 --> 0:17:16.847 Because you would say, why do they need to wear 0:17:16.847 --> 0:17:18.567 a bikini? Why wouldn't they wear a one piece like 0:17:18.567 --> 0:17:20.967 the swimmers do, And that's the reason I hadn't thought 0:17:21.007 --> 0:17:23.327 of that, And so from getting distrapped in so if 0:17:23.407 --> 0:17:25.207 you were in a one piece, you do a dive, 0:17:25.287 --> 0:17:27.927 suddenly you've got half a beach down there. Imagine trying 0:17:27.927 --> 0:17:28.567 to get that out. 0:17:28.647 --> 0:17:32.647 But I was reading that up until very recently, even 0:17:32.687 --> 0:17:35.047 the bikini bottoms that you wore could not be more 0:17:35.087 --> 0:17:37.567 than seven centimeters on the sides. You look at that 0:17:37.727 --> 0:17:40.367 role and you go and it isn't about sand because 0:17:40.607 --> 0:17:43.887 even gymnastics, and this is all around the world, you 0:17:43.967 --> 0:17:46.247 get up to one point deduction if you've got a 0:17:46.287 --> 0:17:49.487 brass strap or you've got your undie showing underneath. And 0:17:49.487 --> 0:17:53.767 you'll remember that in the Tokyo Olympics, the German gymnasts 0:17:54.007 --> 0:17:56.847 wore full long leer tides that went down to their 0:17:56.847 --> 0:17:59.567 ankles and they were making a statement which was we 0:17:59.607 --> 0:18:02.687 feel really objectified. We see a lot of women drop 0:18:02.767 --> 0:18:05.927 out of the sport because they don't want to wear 0:18:05.967 --> 0:18:09.447 these outfits, and we can perform just as well with 0:18:09.487 --> 0:18:13.047 this on. But I must say there's been a lot 0:18:13.087 --> 0:18:17.967 of discussion about the discussion about bodies, right yes, from 0:18:18.167 --> 0:18:21.207 swimming to beach volleyball to gymnastics. Whether or not it's 0:18:21.247 --> 0:18:24.247 ever okay to remark on a woman's body. 0:18:24.327 --> 0:18:26.887 Well I did, and my daughter was so poored she 0:18:26.967 --> 0:18:29.447 left the room. Yeah, because I slay you over in 0:18:29.527 --> 0:18:32.087 bex But I wasn't being mean. I was just like 0:18:32.287 --> 0:18:35.367 marveling at these extraordinary bodies and I was wondering out loud, 0:18:35.407 --> 0:18:36.687 as I do because I don't have a lot of 0:18:36.687 --> 0:18:40.487 inside thoughts. Inside my head thoughts. The hair removal is 0:18:40.567 --> 0:18:43.247 quite something to behold. I mean that whoever's the hair 0:18:43.287 --> 0:18:46.087 removal is like, that's amazing. And my daughter is just like, 0:18:46.287 --> 0:18:47.887 she wasn't happy, No, she wasn't. 0:18:47.967 --> 0:18:50.207 What's amazing, Like the hair removal. 0:18:50.327 --> 0:18:51.727 It was just such a great point. 0:18:51.727 --> 0:18:51.887 Man. 0:18:53.407 --> 0:18:56.687 Is also that there's not an ingrown hair. That's what 0:18:56.807 --> 0:18:58.287 I'm amazed at is I want. 0:18:58.087 --> 0:18:59.167 To go I think laser. 0:18:59.287 --> 0:19:01.567 I just make the point that these athletes are the 0:19:01.567 --> 0:19:03.727 most prepared people in the world. Do you think they're 0:19:03.727 --> 0:19:06.047 going to have an ingrown hair distracting from them? 0:19:06.087 --> 0:19:09.087