1 00:00:10,327 --> 00:00:14,007 Speaker 1: You're listening to a Mom and Me a podcast. Mama 2 00:00:14,047 --> 00:00:16,887 Speaker 1: Mayor acknowledges the traditional owners of land and Waters that 3 00:00:16,927 --> 00:00:18,407 Speaker 1: this podcast is recorded on. 4 00:00:18,647 --> 00:00:21,567 Speaker 2: Hello out louders, it's me here for your Sunday out 5 00:00:21,607 --> 00:00:25,487 Speaker 2: Loud special. You may remember a little hyperfixation I had, well, 6 00:00:25,527 --> 00:00:27,647 Speaker 2: we all had that changed the way we dress. We 7 00:00:27,687 --> 00:00:31,367 Speaker 2: all got very obsessed about seasonal color analysis. And I 8 00:00:31,447 --> 00:00:34,647 Speaker 2: learned this year that I'm a true Autumn And suddenly 9 00:00:34,687 --> 00:00:37,447 Speaker 2: it made sense why there are certain clothes that I 10 00:00:37,487 --> 00:00:39,607 Speaker 2: have that I put on and I just never wear 11 00:00:39,847 --> 00:00:42,407 Speaker 2: because I never like them, even if they fit me well, 12 00:00:42,847 --> 00:00:45,567 Speaker 2: even if I loved them when I bought them, I 13 00:00:45,807 --> 00:00:48,327 Speaker 2: just don't ever wear them. And that's because they don't 14 00:00:48,367 --> 00:00:52,287 Speaker 2: suit me. Because the colors that suit me are autumn colors. Now, 15 00:00:52,447 --> 00:00:54,767 Speaker 2: as we head into the party season and with all 16 00:00:54,807 --> 00:00:57,127 Speaker 2: the sales, you might be looking for a new outfit 17 00:00:57,287 --> 00:01:00,287 Speaker 2: or doing some shopping to update your wardrobe. So that's 18 00:01:00,327 --> 00:01:03,007 Speaker 2: where I wanted to share today with you as our 19 00:01:03,167 --> 00:01:06,407 Speaker 2: Sunday special. An episode of our fashion podcast called Nothing 20 00:01:06,447 --> 00:01:08,967 Speaker 2: to Wear. Lee Campbell and I Lee's the host, I 21 00:01:09,087 --> 00:01:11,967 Speaker 2: was guest. We had a little chat and plus you'll 22 00:01:12,007 --> 00:01:16,687 Speaker 2: also get to meet our own color season expert, Kim Crowley. 23 00:01:16,727 --> 00:01:19,447 Speaker 2: She's the one that did Holly Jesse and My Colors. 24 00:01:19,727 --> 00:01:23,007 Speaker 2: She's a fountain of information. Enjoy this episode, and if 25 00:01:23,047 --> 00:01:25,767 Speaker 2: you still are confused about what season you are, we 26 00:01:25,847 --> 00:01:28,167 Speaker 2: actually have a quiz in the show notes that'll help 27 00:01:28,207 --> 00:01:28,927 Speaker 2: you figure it out. 28 00:01:32,047 --> 00:01:34,847 Speaker 1: Whoever said orange is a new pink with seriously. 29 00:01:34,407 --> 00:01:37,407 Speaker 3: Disturbed laurels for spraying groundbreaking? 30 00:01:37,647 --> 00:01:39,447 Speaker 1: Oh my god, you have to do it. 31 00:01:39,487 --> 00:01:40,727 Speaker 3: You live for fashion. 32 00:01:42,247 --> 00:01:45,447 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Nothing to Wear, the podcast that 33 00:01:45,487 --> 00:01:49,367 Speaker 1: solves fashion problems and levels up your wardrobe. I'm Lee Campbell, 34 00:01:49,407 --> 00:01:51,887 Speaker 1: and every week I'm going to talk to an expert 35 00:01:51,927 --> 00:01:53,647 Speaker 1: who is going to help us work out how to 36 00:01:53,687 --> 00:01:55,887 Speaker 1: get more out of the clothes we already own and 37 00:01:55,927 --> 00:01:58,727 Speaker 1: tell us exactly what is and isn't worth adding to 38 00:01:58,767 --> 00:02:02,167 Speaker 1: our wardrobe. Today, we're talking about the fashion trend that 39 00:02:02,207 --> 00:02:05,847 Speaker 1: has made a comeback and has taken over social media. 40 00:02:05,927 --> 00:02:09,167 Speaker 1: It's called color analysis or color theory, and it essentially 41 00:02:09,367 --> 00:02:12,407 Speaker 1: means there are certain colors that suit you more than others. 42 00:02:12,927 --> 00:02:15,367 Speaker 1: People are raving about it, and one of those people 43 00:02:15,567 --> 00:02:18,927 Speaker 1: is a returning guest and Mamma Mia co founder Mia Friedman, 44 00:02:19,247 --> 00:02:23,127 Speaker 1: who joins me. Now, Maya, welcome back. I am very 45 00:02:23,127 --> 00:02:25,407 Speaker 1: intrigued to have you on this episode because basically you've 46 00:02:25,407 --> 00:02:28,367 Speaker 1: forced it upon us. So let's start. What is your 47 00:02:28,407 --> 00:02:30,487 Speaker 1: favorite color? I feel like a four year old asking her. 48 00:02:30,727 --> 00:02:32,167 Speaker 2: I'm going to straight away say blue. 49 00:02:32,327 --> 00:02:33,367 Speaker 1: What type of blue? 50 00:02:33,647 --> 00:02:38,647 Speaker 2: A corn flower dusty blue? Likely like a dirty kind 51 00:02:38,687 --> 00:02:40,127 Speaker 2: of a blue. 52 00:02:39,607 --> 00:02:42,687 Speaker 1: A dirty bright blue? Yeah? And what is your favorite 53 00:02:42,727 --> 00:02:46,927 Speaker 1: color to wear? And is that different from your blue? See? 54 00:02:47,167 --> 00:02:50,647 Speaker 2: I like anything bright. What I've just recently learned is 55 00:02:50,687 --> 00:02:53,927 Speaker 2: the colors that I like are not necessarily the colors 56 00:02:53,967 --> 00:02:54,527 Speaker 2: that suit me. 57 00:02:54,807 --> 00:02:57,767 Speaker 1: Interesting. Well, that leads me perfectly into why have you 58 00:02:57,887 --> 00:03:01,607 Speaker 1: recently become obsessed with having your colors done? And colors 59 00:03:01,687 --> 00:03:02,807 Speaker 1: in terms of fashion? 60 00:03:03,647 --> 00:03:06,407 Speaker 2: Well, to take listeners a little bit behind the scenes, 61 00:03:06,687 --> 00:03:11,007 Speaker 2: when our producer Grace, when she was pitching ideas for 62 00:03:11,087 --> 00:03:14,247 Speaker 2: the show, she said, I think we should do one 63 00:03:14,247 --> 00:03:18,007 Speaker 2: about getting your colors done, and I remembering when that 64 00:03:18,127 --> 00:03:20,607 Speaker 2: was a thing in the eighties, I think was just like. 65 00:03:20,567 --> 00:03:23,287 Speaker 3: Oh god, no, what a daggy idea like. 66 00:03:23,287 --> 00:03:26,407 Speaker 2: Summer, winter, autumn. We're absolutely not doing that. 67 00:03:26,447 --> 00:03:29,607 Speaker 1: I said the same, not realizing but Grace. 68 00:03:29,367 --> 00:03:31,447 Speaker 2: Of course, because she's younger than us is a head, 69 00:03:31,567 --> 00:03:34,327 Speaker 2: and it's like that's having a massive resurgence all over TikTok. 70 00:03:34,607 --> 00:03:36,807 Speaker 2: There are filters where you can work out what you are. 71 00:03:37,407 --> 00:03:40,487 Speaker 2: And so I've been thinking lately because I keep buying 72 00:03:40,567 --> 00:03:45,487 Speaker 2: clothes that just don't feel right. And often it'll be 73 00:03:45,647 --> 00:03:47,487 Speaker 2: I'll buy something because I like the color, but the 74 00:03:47,527 --> 00:03:49,887 Speaker 2: shape won't be right, or I'll like the fabric but 75 00:03:49,887 --> 00:03:52,407 Speaker 2: the color won't be right. I've noticed that there are 76 00:03:52,407 --> 00:03:55,767 Speaker 2: things that I just am drawn to and drawn away from. 77 00:03:55,807 --> 00:03:58,487 Speaker 2: And ironically, because I'm go w into dopamine dressing and 78 00:03:58,487 --> 00:04:01,927 Speaker 2: I like bright colors, I'll rarely wear things like brown, 79 00:04:02,127 --> 00:04:06,047 Speaker 2: and on the odd occasion that I wear brown, I'm like, oh, 80 00:04:06,167 --> 00:04:09,487 Speaker 2: I look really good today, which I don't. I think 81 00:04:09,487 --> 00:04:11,287 Speaker 2: every day when I look in the mirror. And then 82 00:04:11,287 --> 00:04:14,127 Speaker 2: there are colors that are like those cool pastor colors 83 00:04:14,127 --> 00:04:16,807 Speaker 2: that I like in theory, or bright yellow or bright orange, 84 00:04:16,967 --> 00:04:18,407 Speaker 2: but then I put them on and it's like. 85 00:04:18,367 --> 00:04:20,207 Speaker 1: Oh, no, this isn't working. 86 00:04:20,327 --> 00:04:22,487 Speaker 2: Yeah h There'll be some shades of a color that 87 00:04:22,527 --> 00:04:24,367 Speaker 2: look great and some shades that. 88 00:04:24,327 --> 00:04:27,047 Speaker 1: Look really terrible. So luckily the younger people in the 89 00:04:27,047 --> 00:04:30,687 Speaker 1: office persisted and jesse on Mama me out loud, brought 90 00:04:30,967 --> 00:04:33,487 Speaker 1: having her colors done or doing her colors online, because 91 00:04:33,487 --> 00:04:34,927 Speaker 1: she said, can you come on an episode and talk 92 00:04:34,927 --> 00:04:37,207 Speaker 1: about I said no, I don't believe in it. You did, 93 00:04:37,327 --> 00:04:39,407 Speaker 1: and then I said to you, oh my godly, I'm 94 00:04:39,407 --> 00:04:41,487 Speaker 1: obsessed with colors. And you said, no, that's rubbish, and 95 00:04:41,527 --> 00:04:44,407 Speaker 1: I said no. Jesse's told me I'm an autumn. I 96 00:04:44,447 --> 00:04:46,847 Speaker 1: mean there are different color systems. You can either divide 97 00:04:46,847 --> 00:04:49,327 Speaker 1: yourself into the four seasons, but there are ones that 98 00:04:49,367 --> 00:04:54,087 Speaker 1: are twelve that into each season, into deep winter. 99 00:04:54,407 --> 00:04:56,807 Speaker 2: So she said you're dark autumn. That's what she thought. 100 00:04:56,967 --> 00:04:59,367 Speaker 2: But now then someone says, I'm not. I'm all at sea, 101 00:04:59,447 --> 00:05:02,167 Speaker 2: but I'm definitely in the autumn family, which means the 102 00:05:02,207 --> 00:05:05,967 Speaker 2: colors that you would imagine autumn signifies, which is oranges 103 00:05:06,007 --> 00:05:06,647 Speaker 2: and browns. 104 00:05:06,767 --> 00:05:09,607 Speaker 1: And maybe that's why you like dirty bright blue instead 105 00:05:09,607 --> 00:05:11,927 Speaker 1: of the bright blue. Yeah, so you've learned this information, 106 00:05:12,007 --> 00:05:14,247 Speaker 1: You've gone back and looked at your wardrobe. What happened then? 107 00:05:14,687 --> 00:05:16,847 Speaker 1: Is there stuff there that you love the cut off 108 00:05:16,967 --> 00:05:18,127 Speaker 1: or love to look at the color. 109 00:05:18,407 --> 00:05:22,567 Speaker 2: It has turned down the noise when I'm getting dressed 110 00:05:22,727 --> 00:05:26,367 Speaker 2: and when I'm shopping, because I can be really drawn 111 00:05:26,407 --> 00:05:28,767 Speaker 2: to something because it's the color of the season, because 112 00:05:28,767 --> 00:05:30,967 Speaker 2: I like the shape. But then I'll be like, oh no. 113 00:05:31,687 --> 00:05:33,247 Speaker 2: I was going for a mammogram the other day, and 114 00:05:33,247 --> 00:05:35,207 Speaker 2: I was sitting in the waiting room trying to occupy 115 00:05:35,207 --> 00:05:37,327 Speaker 2: myself so I wouldn't get anxious, and I was looking 116 00:05:37,367 --> 00:05:39,247 Speaker 2: at all the different women and working out who was 117 00:05:39,287 --> 00:05:41,047 Speaker 2: wearing the wrong colors wearing. 118 00:05:40,807 --> 00:05:41,607 Speaker 1: The right colors? 119 00:05:41,727 --> 00:05:44,207 Speaker 2: Yes, And basically, the wrong colors just make you look 120 00:05:44,327 --> 00:05:47,327 Speaker 2: washed out, or they make your skin tone not. 121 00:05:47,367 --> 00:05:49,287 Speaker 1: Look good or your eyes not pop. 122 00:05:49,567 --> 00:05:52,527 Speaker 2: Even if you like a color and it doesn't suit you, 123 00:05:52,567 --> 00:05:54,127 Speaker 2: as long as you don't wear it next to your face, 124 00:05:54,207 --> 00:05:56,407 Speaker 2: like you might wear a skirt in a color that 125 00:05:56,407 --> 00:05:59,007 Speaker 2: doesn't suit your a pair of pants or something for a. 126 00:05:58,927 --> 00:06:00,807 Speaker 1: Bag or a shoe. Yeah, exactly. 127 00:06:00,887 --> 00:06:03,727 Speaker 2: So, for example, I learned that white doesn't suit me 128 00:06:03,767 --> 00:06:06,767 Speaker 2: ironically because I'm wearing white today because my wardrobe is 129 00:06:07,127 --> 00:06:10,007 Speaker 2: lagging in this new infa. 130 00:06:09,687 --> 00:06:12,047 Speaker 1: About myself because I've got a lot of white. 131 00:06:12,727 --> 00:06:13,687 Speaker 2: Everyone tells you. 132 00:06:13,607 --> 00:06:15,807 Speaker 1: White to bab well, I thought black and white were 133 00:06:15,847 --> 00:06:16,567 Speaker 1: just for everyone. 134 00:06:16,927 --> 00:06:18,327 Speaker 2: Neither black nor white suit me. 135 00:06:18,527 --> 00:06:20,167 Speaker 1: Oh that's really hard. 136 00:06:20,447 --> 00:06:23,407 Speaker 2: Interesting, But there's lots of neutrals that do suit me? 137 00:06:23,527 --> 00:06:23,847 Speaker 1: Okay? 138 00:06:24,087 --> 00:06:27,287 Speaker 2: Are brown like Brown's creams car keys, which I'm. 139 00:06:27,207 --> 00:06:29,527 Speaker 1: Always really drawn to. I I've got. 140 00:06:29,367 --> 00:06:33,207 Speaker 2: A cream shirt and I thought, oh, that's interesting. I 141 00:06:33,207 --> 00:06:35,167 Speaker 2: wouldn't usually buy that. I'd just bite in white, but 142 00:06:35,207 --> 00:06:38,167 Speaker 2: it only came in that color and I love it. 143 00:06:38,007 --> 00:06:41,647 Speaker 1: And and it's such a small change, tiny change interesting. 144 00:06:42,127 --> 00:06:45,767 Speaker 1: So Mia has found her colors, and I purposely haven't 145 00:06:45,767 --> 00:06:48,247 Speaker 1: looked into mine because I want the next guest to 146 00:06:48,367 --> 00:06:51,927 Speaker 1: help me. I haven't listed the help of fashion stylist 147 00:06:52,047 --> 00:06:55,727 Speaker 1: and color expert Kim Crowley. You may remember her from 148 00:06:55,767 --> 00:06:59,287 Speaker 1: our episode on The Seven Deadly Shopping Sins. Kim has 149 00:06:59,327 --> 00:07:02,687 Speaker 1: also worked as a color expert for the past ten years, 150 00:07:02,927 --> 00:07:06,487 Speaker 1: so long before it became a trend. Kim, welcome back 151 00:07:06,527 --> 00:07:08,647 Speaker 1: to the show. You're wearing a beautiful color. I don't 152 00:07:08,647 --> 00:07:10,927 Speaker 1: even know what color is, and I'm wearing black because 153 00:07:10,967 --> 00:07:13,767 Speaker 1: I was scared. So let's start at the start. Why 154 00:07:13,847 --> 00:07:16,007 Speaker 1: is it important to know our colors? 155 00:07:16,647 --> 00:07:19,367 Speaker 4: So basically, knowing your colors is a shortcut to feeling 156 00:07:19,367 --> 00:07:22,207 Speaker 4: better in your clothes, Okay, and I think every single 157 00:07:22,247 --> 00:07:24,767 Speaker 4: person wants to feel better in their clothes. So basically 158 00:07:24,887 --> 00:07:27,407 Speaker 4: works in two different ways. Okay, so when we're matching 159 00:07:27,567 --> 00:07:30,887 Speaker 4: your ideal palette with your unique features, number one, you're. 160 00:07:30,687 --> 00:07:31,887 Speaker 3: Going to actually look better. 161 00:07:32,287 --> 00:07:35,207 Speaker 4: So your skin will look glossy, your hair will look glossy, 162 00:07:35,247 --> 00:07:37,847 Speaker 4: your eyes will look brighter, your fine lines will be decreased. 163 00:07:38,007 --> 00:07:39,647 Speaker 3: So it's like a kind. 164 00:07:39,447 --> 00:07:41,207 Speaker 1: Of antiating serum for your blook. 165 00:07:41,367 --> 00:07:43,887 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, a tinted moisturizer. Exactly. 166 00:07:44,087 --> 00:07:46,447 Speaker 4: But the second part, right and a bit I'm really 167 00:07:46,447 --> 00:07:47,247 Speaker 4: fascinated about. 168 00:07:47,367 --> 00:07:49,047 Speaker 3: The genius behind it, is. 169 00:07:48,967 --> 00:07:52,607 Speaker 4: That the more you actually buy in your palate, the 170 00:07:52,647 --> 00:07:54,727 Speaker 4: more that your clothes will mix a match because they 171 00:07:54,767 --> 00:07:57,847 Speaker 4: have a common denominator. Right, So you can actually own 172 00:07:57,847 --> 00:08:00,967 Speaker 4: a lot less clothes and have loads more outfits. 173 00:08:01,047 --> 00:08:02,967 Speaker 3: Right, So that whole nothing to wear this. 174 00:08:02,967 --> 00:08:05,687 Speaker 4: Eliminate, that's what we're about. So it turns the kind 175 00:08:05,727 --> 00:08:07,407 Speaker 4: of one trick pony into a workhorse. 176 00:08:07,487 --> 00:08:09,207 Speaker 3: That's what we want. We want more work horses in 177 00:08:09,367 --> 00:08:09,927 Speaker 3: your wardrobe. 178 00:08:09,967 --> 00:08:10,247 Speaker 1: Okay. 179 00:08:10,327 --> 00:08:13,407 Speaker 4: Yeah, And that's why this whole seasonal color analysis needs 180 00:08:13,407 --> 00:08:15,687 Speaker 4: a rebrand, because it's not just all it's going to 181 00:08:15,767 --> 00:08:19,367 Speaker 4: make me feel better. It's the outfitting part, the sustainable part. 182 00:08:19,527 --> 00:08:22,927 Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, I love that. An important part about color 183 00:08:22,967 --> 00:08:26,847 Speaker 1: analysis is each person's individual skin undertone? How does that 184 00:08:26,887 --> 00:08:27,447 Speaker 1: play a part? 185 00:08:27,487 --> 00:08:29,727 Speaker 4: So it's undertone first, so are you cool? 186 00:08:29,807 --> 00:08:31,767 Speaker 3: Are you neutral? Or are you warm? 187 00:08:31,807 --> 00:08:34,927 Speaker 4: And then it's about contrast. Okay, So what I mean 188 00:08:34,967 --> 00:08:36,727 Speaker 4: by that is if we were to take a black 189 00:08:36,727 --> 00:08:39,967 Speaker 4: and white photo of you, would everything stay balanced? 190 00:08:40,327 --> 00:08:40,687 Speaker 3: Right? 191 00:08:40,967 --> 00:08:42,927 Speaker 4: If that's the case, then you've got a soft contrast, 192 00:08:43,447 --> 00:08:47,607 Speaker 4: medium contrast like Mere Freedman, or a stronger contrast like you. Yeah, 193 00:08:47,847 --> 00:08:50,087 Speaker 4: got more of a contrast between your eyes, your skin, 194 00:08:50,167 --> 00:08:52,887 Speaker 4: and your hair. You've got a more strong contrast. You 195 00:08:52,927 --> 00:08:55,527 Speaker 4: need strong color. But all the while, when I'm doing that, 196 00:08:55,567 --> 00:08:58,847 Speaker 4: when I'm analyzing clients, it's also about are they over 197 00:08:58,927 --> 00:09:01,887 Speaker 4: all light or are they overall dark? That's a third 198 00:09:01,927 --> 00:09:02,727 Speaker 4: component as well. 199 00:09:02,807 --> 00:09:06,007 Speaker 1: No wonder this is a profession because I'm already confused. Okay, 200 00:09:06,087 --> 00:09:08,767 Speaker 1: so let's break down the color analysis. I mean, I 201 00:09:08,807 --> 00:09:13,207 Speaker 1: know that there's sixteen different seasons. That's a lot a lot, 202 00:09:13,247 --> 00:09:16,447 Speaker 1: But can we talk through the four main seasons and 203 00:09:16,887 --> 00:09:17,927 Speaker 1: tell me what they mean? 204 00:09:18,127 --> 00:09:21,927 Speaker 4: Even if you understand the one season that umbrellas your colors, 205 00:09:22,087 --> 00:09:25,247 Speaker 4: you will still massively benefit because obviously then you know 206 00:09:25,367 --> 00:09:26,567 Speaker 4: what to go for, what to avoid. 207 00:09:26,687 --> 00:09:28,607 Speaker 1: Sure, then you might be able to find tune it 208 00:09:28,647 --> 00:09:29,527 Speaker 1: from there right. 209 00:09:29,367 --> 00:09:32,287 Speaker 4: Absolutely, yeah, absolutely, And that's actually a really good point. 210 00:09:32,407 --> 00:09:34,447 Speaker 4: It might be for year one that you start to 211 00:09:34,527 --> 00:09:36,607 Speaker 4: understand the season and then you start to really get 212 00:09:36,607 --> 00:09:39,087 Speaker 4: down to the nitty gritty. It's a process. Okay, color 213 00:09:39,207 --> 00:09:40,327 Speaker 4: confidence progress. 214 00:09:40,407 --> 00:09:41,847 Speaker 1: Okay, So what is a summer? 215 00:09:42,047 --> 00:09:45,527 Speaker 4: So a summer is light, cool and soft. So when 216 00:09:45,607 --> 00:09:47,727 Speaker 4: you think about a summer, you think about their color 217 00:09:47,767 --> 00:09:50,887 Speaker 4: palette being maybe a little green meadow, blue stream, little 218 00:09:50,887 --> 00:09:54,527 Speaker 4: pink flowers. Okay, hey, the soft, tretty, light, delicate. 219 00:09:54,687 --> 00:09:57,247 Speaker 1: Okay, do you have a celebrity that's a summer that 220 00:09:57,287 --> 00:09:59,007 Speaker 1: we can kind of reference. 221 00:09:58,887 --> 00:10:01,967 Speaker 4: Naomi Watts, Kate Planchette and Olive your Wild because I 222 00:10:01,967 --> 00:10:04,487 Speaker 4: don't want everyone thinking that all summers are blonde. 223 00:10:04,767 --> 00:10:06,807 Speaker 1: Okay, Autumn, what is an autumn? 224 00:10:06,967 --> 00:10:10,047 Speaker 4: Autumn is rich, warm, and earthy. So I think colors 225 00:10:10,047 --> 00:10:13,167 Speaker 4: that you would find in a forest or in a 226 00:10:13,247 --> 00:10:13,807 Speaker 4: spice rax. 227 00:10:13,807 --> 00:10:15,647 Speaker 3: So you oregano, you time. 228 00:10:15,487 --> 00:10:18,727 Speaker 4: Your paprika, you're chili, all very un trend all of those. 229 00:10:18,887 --> 00:10:20,727 Speaker 1: Yes, autumns having a moment in fashion. 230 00:10:20,847 --> 00:10:23,607 Speaker 4: Yes, well that's the thing that's what's so interesting, Okay, 231 00:10:23,687 --> 00:10:26,127 Speaker 4: because autumn colors came in about a decade ago and 232 00:10:26,167 --> 00:10:29,967 Speaker 4: completely revolutionized the way we wear colorow Prior to that, 233 00:10:30,007 --> 00:10:31,647 Speaker 4: it was all cold color. So when I was designing, 234 00:10:31,807 --> 00:10:34,607 Speaker 4: I'm a former fashion designer, most of my straws would 235 00:10:34,607 --> 00:10:35,887 Speaker 4: always be full of cool. 236 00:10:35,687 --> 00:10:36,807 Speaker 3: And cold colors. 237 00:10:36,967 --> 00:10:37,287 Speaker 1: Right. 238 00:10:37,367 --> 00:10:40,447 Speaker 4: Then the seventies trend game in ten years ago and 239 00:10:40,487 --> 00:10:42,967 Speaker 4: completely change the way we wear color, right, and so 240 00:10:43,007 --> 00:10:45,927 Speaker 4: it means that more warm based people like myself as an. 241 00:10:45,807 --> 00:10:47,727 Speaker 3: Autumn your freedom and autumn. 242 00:10:47,567 --> 00:10:50,527 Speaker 4: Can also have a range of color, right. But obviously 243 00:10:50,527 --> 00:10:51,687 Speaker 4: that's scared a lot of people. 244 00:10:53,327 --> 00:10:54,527 Speaker 3: I don't know what I'm doing. 245 00:10:55,447 --> 00:10:57,687 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're like, isn't just blue, blue and red red 246 00:10:58,447 --> 00:11:01,407 Speaker 1: to the yes primary colors? What about some celebs that 247 00:11:01,447 --> 00:11:04,607 Speaker 1: are autumn? You mentioned Maya, she's a celeb, but who else? 248 00:11:04,887 --> 00:11:08,647 Speaker 4: So we've got beautiful Jennifer Lopez, Zendea and Gizelle. Okay, 249 00:11:08,687 --> 00:11:12,287 Speaker 4: what is a So a winter is strong, cold and bold. 250 00:11:12,287 --> 00:11:15,807 Speaker 4: This is where you sit family, Okay, so think about 251 00:11:15,847 --> 00:11:17,247 Speaker 4: saturated jewel tones. 252 00:11:17,447 --> 00:11:21,487 Speaker 1: Oh good, that's what I like. And they like you too, 253 00:11:21,487 --> 00:11:22,407 Speaker 1: which is even better. 254 00:11:23,127 --> 00:11:27,127 Speaker 4: So it's emerald, sapphire, ruby, red. And you've got people 255 00:11:27,287 --> 00:11:32,007 Speaker 4: like you know, Katie Perry, Lapita Nuango, Lucy lou really 256 00:11:32,047 --> 00:11:36,687 Speaker 4: really strong striking people that can really take strong striking color. 257 00:11:36,847 --> 00:11:38,687 Speaker 1: What do we picture when we're talking spring? 258 00:11:38,967 --> 00:11:41,047 Speaker 3: So spring is light, warm and vivid. 259 00:11:41,207 --> 00:11:43,687 Speaker 4: So I want you to picture a sandy beach, so 260 00:11:43,807 --> 00:11:47,367 Speaker 4: tropical oceans of aqua and turquoise, and then a watermelon 261 00:11:47,447 --> 00:11:49,647 Speaker 4: and coral summrise and sunset. 262 00:11:49,767 --> 00:11:51,647 Speaker 1: Well, I want to be there. We all want to 263 00:11:51,647 --> 00:11:52,807 Speaker 1: be springs. 264 00:11:53,047 --> 00:11:55,687 Speaker 4: But that's a really good illustration of the types of 265 00:11:55,767 --> 00:11:57,247 Speaker 4: colors that we want to go for as a spring. 266 00:11:57,407 --> 00:12:00,127 Speaker 1: Okay, And any examples of springs. 267 00:11:59,767 --> 00:12:03,807 Speaker 4: So camerondias, Amy Adams and Nicole Kidman and I put 268 00:12:03,847 --> 00:12:05,487 Speaker 4: Camerondias in there because we don't have. 269 00:12:05,447 --> 00:12:06,087 Speaker 3: To be redheads. 270 00:12:06,287 --> 00:12:09,247 Speaker 4: Yes, spring okay, because it's obviously it's about the combination 271 00:12:09,807 --> 00:12:11,807 Speaker 4: of your features, not just one feature. 272 00:12:11,567 --> 00:12:13,527 Speaker 1: Not just your hair color, because that's more than that. 273 00:12:23,727 --> 00:12:26,047 Speaker 1: I previously mentioned that I wore black today because I 274 00:12:26,087 --> 00:12:29,007 Speaker 1: was nervous. But because to me, black and white don't count. 275 00:12:29,127 --> 00:12:32,527 Speaker 1: But you think they do me as suddenly think she 276 00:12:32,527 --> 00:12:34,967 Speaker 1: can't wear white off. White is better on her, That's 277 00:12:35,047 --> 00:12:37,927 Speaker 1: what she says, Yes, so talk to me about black. 278 00:12:38,447 --> 00:12:41,887 Speaker 1: It's not everyone's neutral, no, okay, And. 279 00:12:41,887 --> 00:12:43,527 Speaker 3: People are gonna hate me, who's listening to this. I'm 280 00:12:43,527 --> 00:12:44,087 Speaker 3: really sorry. 281 00:12:44,287 --> 00:12:47,207 Speaker 4: I've had eight hundred and fifty clients and when we 282 00:12:47,367 --> 00:12:49,407 Speaker 4: look at black on them, and often they even say 283 00:12:49,447 --> 00:12:51,487 Speaker 4: to me before I even say to them, Kim, I 284 00:12:51,487 --> 00:12:53,407 Speaker 4: think black's not working on me. I'm like, thank god, 285 00:12:53,447 --> 00:12:53,887 Speaker 4: you said it. 286 00:12:53,847 --> 00:12:54,087 Speaker 3: Not me. 287 00:12:54,607 --> 00:12:57,047 Speaker 1: We don't always feel fabulous in it. You just kind 288 00:12:57,047 --> 00:12:59,527 Speaker 1: of feel a bit invisible, or it's easier it's spying online. 289 00:12:59,527 --> 00:13:01,847 Speaker 1: Black is black, but it's not always the best color. 290 00:13:02,047 --> 00:13:04,327 Speaker 4: So when we wear black, we're taking the risk of 291 00:13:04,407 --> 00:13:07,007 Speaker 4: color out of it, so we know it's safe and 292 00:13:07,047 --> 00:13:10,047 Speaker 4: we never really question whether it really is flattering on us. 293 00:13:10,047 --> 00:13:11,767 Speaker 4: There's so much black in store. And again, when I've 294 00:13:11,767 --> 00:13:13,527 Speaker 4: been designing, I put a lot of black in store 295 00:13:13,527 --> 00:13:15,527 Speaker 4: because I know it sells, of course, and so the 296 00:13:15,567 --> 00:13:17,607 Speaker 4: trouble is, because it then sells so much, we put 297 00:13:17,647 --> 00:13:20,127 Speaker 4: more and more in. We trial new shapes in black 298 00:13:20,327 --> 00:13:22,087 Speaker 4: to put it in, so we fill our store with black, 299 00:13:22,087 --> 00:13:24,087 Speaker 4: white and gray a lot of the time. But now 300 00:13:24,087 --> 00:13:26,047 Speaker 4: in this side of fashion, I've realized that black, white 301 00:13:26,087 --> 00:13:29,287 Speaker 4: and gray actually really harsh and quite dull. So black 302 00:13:29,367 --> 00:13:32,247 Speaker 4: actually can take the color out of people, yes, and 303 00:13:32,287 --> 00:13:33,887 Speaker 4: it can take the color out of color. So when 304 00:13:33,887 --> 00:13:37,087 Speaker 4: we're trying to put color together, a lot of people 305 00:13:37,127 --> 00:13:38,647 Speaker 4: will tell me, you know, I can put black with 306 00:13:38,727 --> 00:13:41,047 Speaker 4: a pop color. So when I'm talking popclor i'm talking 307 00:13:41,087 --> 00:13:44,567 Speaker 4: primary and secondary shades. We can put that combination together, right. 308 00:13:44,647 --> 00:13:45,927 Speaker 4: But the trouble is we've been wearing that for a 309 00:13:45,927 --> 00:13:47,807 Speaker 4: long time. Yeah, so it can look a little bit dated. 310 00:13:47,847 --> 00:13:49,327 Speaker 4: It looks quite harsh. 311 00:13:49,087 --> 00:13:51,327 Speaker 1: And I was going to say it feels a bit harsh. 312 00:13:51,327 --> 00:13:53,767 Speaker 1: I normally wear black with denim because I don't know 313 00:13:53,767 --> 00:13:54,727 Speaker 1: how to pay black. 314 00:13:54,847 --> 00:13:56,927 Speaker 4: No, that's much better to actually, particularly with your eye 315 00:13:56,967 --> 00:13:58,967 Speaker 4: where you sit. That's so much better. Not too pale 316 00:13:59,047 --> 00:14:00,407 Speaker 4: denim more what you've got on now? 317 00:14:00,447 --> 00:14:05,127 Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, so today, So if black stop for us 318 00:14:05,167 --> 00:14:06,607 Speaker 1: and you're saying it's not for a lot of people, 319 00:14:06,647 --> 00:14:08,847 Speaker 1: what are our other sort of neutrals? 320 00:14:09,287 --> 00:14:11,927 Speaker 4: So it could be like an expresso brown, a moss green, 321 00:14:12,247 --> 00:14:16,767 Speaker 4: a beautiful French navy so oh good navy. Navy is 322 00:14:16,807 --> 00:14:18,527 Speaker 4: really good on so many people. So even if you 323 00:14:18,527 --> 00:14:21,087 Speaker 4: can just swat black for navy, that's step one, really 324 00:14:21,167 --> 00:14:23,807 Speaker 4: easy for listeners to do. But it's interesting because Mia 325 00:14:23,847 --> 00:14:25,767 Speaker 4: Friedman talked a while ago about when she wore a 326 00:14:25,807 --> 00:14:28,527 Speaker 4: chocolate brown suit into the office and everyone was like, oh, 327 00:14:28,647 --> 00:14:30,647 Speaker 4: you look amazing, you look amazing, And I was screaming 328 00:14:30,647 --> 00:14:32,327 Speaker 4: out of going that's your black, Maia. 329 00:14:32,247 --> 00:14:35,367 Speaker 1: That's and she's learning that now. 330 00:14:35,567 --> 00:14:36,647 Speaker 3: Yeah, it looks amazing. 331 00:14:36,807 --> 00:14:39,287 Speaker 4: And then also you mentioned a while ago your beautiful 332 00:14:39,287 --> 00:14:41,487 Speaker 4: burgundy slip dress that you just keep wearing and it's 333 00:14:41,527 --> 00:14:43,887 Speaker 4: really versatile. That's because that's one of. 334 00:14:43,847 --> 00:14:46,287 Speaker 3: Your blacks, right, And when it's black. 335 00:14:45,967 --> 00:14:47,967 Speaker 4: Wright it can get forgotten. We might find it a 336 00:14:47,967 --> 00:14:48,887 Speaker 4: bit boring. 337 00:14:48,687 --> 00:14:50,647 Speaker 1: You know, it's like, how many not exciting to reach for? 338 00:14:50,887 --> 00:14:52,927 Speaker 4: No, But when it's in Burgundy, You're like, I've made 339 00:14:52,927 --> 00:14:55,327 Speaker 4: a bit of an effort. I'm looking different. But Burgundy 340 00:14:55,407 --> 00:14:57,967 Speaker 4: isn't stuck like her primary and secondary shade. 341 00:14:58,007 --> 00:15:00,847 Speaker 1: It's one, not two statementy And that's why I've had 342 00:15:00,847 --> 00:15:02,007 Speaker 1: it for years exactly. 343 00:15:02,127 --> 00:15:04,007 Speaker 4: And they're the piece of we want in our wardrobe. 344 00:15:04,047 --> 00:15:06,287 Speaker 4: So we don't want them to shout loudly, we want them. 345 00:15:06,127 --> 00:15:07,087 Speaker 1: To shout quietly. 346 00:15:07,167 --> 00:15:09,727 Speaker 3: Yes, they're the kind of tertiary tone. That's why I 347 00:15:09,767 --> 00:15:10,367 Speaker 3: teach a lot. 348 00:15:10,207 --> 00:15:12,647 Speaker 1: Of time, and so I still feel good wearing it. 349 00:15:12,687 --> 00:15:15,447 Speaker 1: But it doesn't scream a season. It's not hard to style. 350 00:15:15,847 --> 00:15:18,447 Speaker 4: Oh, but also you can put burgundy with hot pink. 351 00:15:18,487 --> 00:15:21,407 Speaker 4: You can put burgundy with silver, you can put burgundy 352 00:15:21,447 --> 00:15:24,407 Speaker 4: with blush pink. You can put burgundy with deep green. Yes, 353 00:15:24,567 --> 00:15:26,487 Speaker 4: you can put it with bright red. It looks amazing. 354 00:15:26,847 --> 00:15:30,847 Speaker 4: So it's the versatility of this third tier, this tertiary. 355 00:15:30,487 --> 00:15:31,047 Speaker 3: Kind of color. 356 00:15:31,207 --> 00:15:33,327 Speaker 4: Yeah, because when we talk about color and I say 357 00:15:33,327 --> 00:15:34,927 Speaker 4: to my clients, I'm going to get you in more color. 358 00:15:35,087 --> 00:15:36,727 Speaker 3: Oh my god, no, no, no. 359 00:15:36,647 --> 00:15:39,687 Speaker 4: They immediately think of primary and secondary shades that shout 360 00:15:39,687 --> 00:15:40,087 Speaker 4: really loud. 361 00:15:40,167 --> 00:15:42,047 Speaker 1: Yes, that's what I think. When someone says color, I 362 00:15:42,047 --> 00:15:45,207 Speaker 1: think like bright, yeah, or pastor, which is just not 363 00:15:45,287 --> 00:15:48,447 Speaker 1: my jam. Let me ask you about accessories, because when 364 00:15:48,447 --> 00:15:50,887 Speaker 1: people say to me getting your colors done, oftentimes I 365 00:15:50,927 --> 00:15:53,127 Speaker 1: think people are asking if they can wear silver or gold? 366 00:15:53,687 --> 00:15:55,447 Speaker 1: Is that part of the aspects? 367 00:15:55,527 --> 00:15:55,807 Speaker 3: It is? 368 00:15:55,927 --> 00:15:58,247 Speaker 4: It is because that's a really good way for listeners 369 00:15:58,247 --> 00:16:00,447 Speaker 4: to try and work out what season they are. So 370 00:16:00,487 --> 00:16:03,087 Speaker 4: if they light up in silver, then they're cool. If 371 00:16:03,087 --> 00:16:05,727 Speaker 4: they light up in gold, then they're more warm. But 372 00:16:05,807 --> 00:16:07,807 Speaker 4: if they're not really sure and they actually look quite 373 00:16:07,847 --> 00:16:10,207 Speaker 4: good in both, then they're probably be neutral sat in 374 00:16:10,247 --> 00:16:10,607 Speaker 4: the middle. 375 00:16:11,127 --> 00:16:12,847 Speaker 1: We don't have those three undertones. 376 00:16:13,047 --> 00:16:14,687 Speaker 3: Yes, they're the three main unders. 377 00:16:14,687 --> 00:16:16,847 Speaker 1: Good to be neutral because you can go both ways 378 00:16:16,927 --> 00:16:18,167 Speaker 1: or is it more confusing? 379 00:16:18,367 --> 00:16:18,967 Speaker 3: More confusing? 380 00:16:19,727 --> 00:16:21,607 Speaker 4: So I do have some clients that really enjoy going 381 00:16:21,647 --> 00:16:23,367 Speaker 4: both ways, and they have big, big wardrobes and they 382 00:16:23,407 --> 00:16:25,247 Speaker 4: enjoy that, but that's very few of them. Most of 383 00:16:25,287 --> 00:16:27,647 Speaker 4: clients come to me want to simplify things, of course, 384 00:16:27,687 --> 00:16:30,847 Speaker 4: so being able to define. Okay, you are feeling better 385 00:16:30,847 --> 00:16:33,287 Speaker 4: in silver or feeling better in gold, although both look 386 00:16:33,327 --> 00:16:36,287 Speaker 4: good on you, let's choose one because the more that 387 00:16:36,327 --> 00:16:40,007 Speaker 4: you can actually refine your buying decisions and it all 388 00:16:40,047 --> 00:16:41,927 Speaker 4: works together. So a trim on your back goes with 389 00:16:42,007 --> 00:16:44,007 Speaker 4: your belt and your beautiful when you buckle on your shoe. 390 00:16:44,127 --> 00:16:46,007 Speaker 4: If it all goes together, you can leave the house quicker. 391 00:16:46,127 --> 00:16:46,687 Speaker 3: Yes, right. 392 00:16:46,807 --> 00:16:48,487 Speaker 4: If we've got a fat around and this doesn't go 393 00:16:48,567 --> 00:16:50,847 Speaker 4: with this, oh it's all too hard. We go back 394 00:16:50,887 --> 00:16:52,407 Speaker 4: to our active where we'll go back to black, and 395 00:16:53,047 --> 00:16:55,247 Speaker 4: we'd opt out of fashion, and that's not what we want. 396 00:16:55,287 --> 00:16:56,807 Speaker 3: We want you to opt in and have fun. 397 00:16:56,927 --> 00:16:59,807 Speaker 1: Yes, that's right. Okay, So not everyone has access to 398 00:16:59,847 --> 00:17:02,167 Speaker 1: you unfortunately, well they do, but not right this minute. 399 00:17:02,207 --> 00:17:04,687 Speaker 1: So what if they want to go into their wardrobe 400 00:17:04,727 --> 00:17:07,887 Speaker 1: and learn more about their colors, or work out before 401 00:17:07,927 --> 00:17:09,607 Speaker 1: they go shopping. For me, I'm a bit of a 402 00:17:09,647 --> 00:17:12,247 Speaker 1: bower bird. I go shopping and I go, oh, that's pretty, 403 00:17:12,287 --> 00:17:14,167 Speaker 1: Oh that's great, And either get at home and I've 404 00:17:14,167 --> 00:17:15,687 Speaker 1: got ten of them, or I get at home and 405 00:17:15,727 --> 00:17:16,967 Speaker 1: I'm just not going to wear it because I was 406 00:17:17,047 --> 00:17:19,487 Speaker 1: drawn to it for some reason. So what can people 407 00:17:19,527 --> 00:17:22,767 Speaker 1: do at home or while listening or shortly after where 408 00:17:22,807 --> 00:17:24,927 Speaker 1: they can just get a bit of a vibe of 409 00:17:24,927 --> 00:17:26,127 Speaker 1: what they're going to do when they want to go 410 00:17:26,167 --> 00:17:26,727 Speaker 1: shopping again. 411 00:17:26,847 --> 00:17:29,287 Speaker 4: So looking at your veins is a really good test, right, 412 00:17:29,327 --> 00:17:31,087 Speaker 4: And I want you to actually get together with your 413 00:17:31,127 --> 00:17:33,647 Speaker 4: friends to look at your veins because with color, we 414 00:17:33,727 --> 00:17:35,687 Speaker 4: can compare ourselves. 415 00:17:35,047 --> 00:17:38,007 Speaker 1: Wine of purple or blue? Is that a color? 416 00:17:38,087 --> 00:17:41,527 Speaker 4: Yeah, so you're more blue, so you're cooler and colder. Okay, 417 00:17:41,567 --> 00:17:43,847 Speaker 4: mine are a little bit more green because I'm warmer green. 418 00:17:44,207 --> 00:17:46,807 Speaker 4: So green is warmer if you're neither. So if you've 419 00:17:46,847 --> 00:17:49,207 Speaker 4: got friends on one side that are bluer, friends on 420 00:17:49,207 --> 00:17:51,207 Speaker 4: the other side that are greener, you probably sit in 421 00:17:51,287 --> 00:17:54,287 Speaker 4: the middle. Again undertone neutral, so it's a little bit 422 00:17:54,327 --> 00:17:57,527 Speaker 4: harder to define undertow neutral, but Basically you can go 423 00:17:57,607 --> 00:18:00,327 Speaker 4: across both. Often if you're undertone neutral, it's less about 424 00:18:00,327 --> 00:18:03,487 Speaker 4: the undertone and more about then do I need softer 425 00:18:03,567 --> 00:18:05,807 Speaker 4: color to match my softness or do I need stronger 426 00:18:05,807 --> 00:18:08,847 Speaker 4: color to match my strength. It's about the type of color, 427 00:18:08,967 --> 00:18:10,847 Speaker 4: not undertone. Does that make sense? 428 00:18:10,927 --> 00:18:11,607 Speaker 1: Yes, sort of. 429 00:18:11,727 --> 00:18:14,807 Speaker 4: So that's a good way. So the vein check and 430 00:18:14,847 --> 00:18:17,967 Speaker 4: the jewelry check. Yes, okay, one with it. That's really 431 00:18:17,967 --> 00:18:20,047 Speaker 4: what it's about. It about putting the fun back in fashion. 432 00:18:20,167 --> 00:18:22,367 Speaker 4: If we don't know it. We go to shops, we 433 00:18:22,407 --> 00:18:24,647 Speaker 4: buy loads of stuff. Yes, we buy something from autumn, 434 00:18:24,727 --> 00:18:26,887 Speaker 4: something from spring, someone can winter, something from summer. 435 00:18:26,887 --> 00:18:27,487 Speaker 3: We bring it home. 436 00:18:27,487 --> 00:18:29,447 Speaker 4: We expect it to all work on us, and it's not. 437 00:18:29,807 --> 00:18:32,127 Speaker 4: Everything's meant for us. Yeah, that's a really key like 438 00:18:32,207 --> 00:18:36,087 Speaker 4: it's it's the color and it's not meant to go together, right. 439 00:18:36,127 --> 00:18:37,967 Speaker 1: And then you're so confused and you've got nothing to 440 00:18:38,007 --> 00:18:39,167 Speaker 1: wearing an order of full of clothes. 441 00:18:39,247 --> 00:18:42,207 Speaker 4: Yes, we spend thousands, we stress, we spend so much energy. 442 00:18:42,207 --> 00:18:44,087 Speaker 4: Then we're going back and forward trying to you know, 443 00:18:44,167 --> 00:18:45,967 Speaker 4: take it back, and then we've spent so much time 444 00:18:45,967 --> 00:18:47,327 Speaker 4: a lot. I'm going to make this work, So we 445 00:18:47,407 --> 00:18:48,487 Speaker 4: try so much harder. 446 00:18:48,567 --> 00:18:50,727 Speaker 1: That's what I was going to say. We're trying other 447 00:18:50,807 --> 00:18:52,487 Speaker 1: things to match with it when it was the last 448 00:18:52,567 --> 00:18:53,807 Speaker 1: day in the Exactly. 449 00:18:53,607 --> 00:18:54,647 Speaker 3: It's not meant for you. 450 00:18:54,927 --> 00:18:57,247 Speaker 4: Don't change your makeup, your make cups beautiful, just stay 451 00:18:57,287 --> 00:18:59,287 Speaker 4: as you are, but change the color. 452 00:18:59,447 --> 00:18:59,647 Speaker 3: Right. 453 00:18:59,927 --> 00:19:02,487 Speaker 4: So this is the best best thing you can ever 454 00:19:02,527 --> 00:19:05,127 Speaker 4: do for yourself, the best investment, because it just shrinks 455 00:19:05,207 --> 00:19:09,367 Speaker 4: all that you know, stress and confusion and you get clarity. 456 00:19:09,567 --> 00:19:11,727 Speaker 4: And basically what you want to do is when you 457 00:19:11,767 --> 00:19:14,007 Speaker 4: go into store, you go to the colors that are 458 00:19:14,087 --> 00:19:17,207 Speaker 4: for you, your palette, and then you shop into shape. Yeah, 459 00:19:17,327 --> 00:19:19,207 Speaker 4: it's color first, shape second. 460 00:19:19,367 --> 00:19:21,647 Speaker 1: Great. Now, this is a fashion podcast, but I also 461 00:19:21,687 --> 00:19:24,607 Speaker 1: host a beauty podcast, so I must ask this does 462 00:19:24,647 --> 00:19:27,567 Speaker 1: our makeup and our hair color? And obviously we're talking coloring, 463 00:19:27,607 --> 00:19:30,247 Speaker 1: but what if people bleach their blonde hair or where 464 00:19:30,287 --> 00:19:32,127 Speaker 1: colored contacts? Does that confuse you? 465 00:19:32,287 --> 00:19:33,567 Speaker 4: So I did an event the other day and had 466 00:19:33,567 --> 00:19:35,967 Speaker 4: lots of influences. They dyed their hair, they put loads 467 00:19:36,007 --> 00:19:38,807 Speaker 4: of makeup on that wasn't necessarily the right tone for them, 468 00:19:39,167 --> 00:19:40,367 Speaker 4: and then they had color contacts. 469 00:19:40,407 --> 00:19:41,247 Speaker 3: Yeah, that was challenging. 470 00:19:41,487 --> 00:19:44,367 Speaker 1: So they need different wardrobes for all their different looks. 471 00:19:43,887 --> 00:19:47,367 Speaker 4: And that's the trouble they've started to confuse themselves. So really, 472 00:19:47,407 --> 00:19:50,127 Speaker 4: your natural or two tones light or deeper than your 473 00:19:50,247 --> 00:19:52,007 Speaker 4: natural hair color is where we want you to stay. 474 00:19:52,087 --> 00:19:54,567 Speaker 1: Yeah, every hair color star i've interviewed over the decades 475 00:19:54,607 --> 00:19:56,887 Speaker 1: say yeah, if you want it to be most flattering, 476 00:19:57,087 --> 00:19:58,887 Speaker 1: a couple of shades, lader, a couple shades startups, some 477 00:19:58,887 --> 00:20:02,647 Speaker 1: nothing too dressed, Yeah, exactly, and then your natural colors 478 00:20:02,727 --> 00:20:06,047 Speaker 1: will still suit absolutely utterly because it absolutely goes to 479 00:20:06,047 --> 00:20:08,607 Speaker 1: make up. This color analysis is every single thing you 480 00:20:08,647 --> 00:20:13,367 Speaker 1: put on your from your sunglasses, your swimwear, your toenail 481 00:20:13,447 --> 00:20:16,087 Speaker 1: varnish right down to that. It makes such a difference 482 00:20:16,687 --> 00:20:18,487 Speaker 1: to how pretty you think your feet are when you're 483 00:20:18,487 --> 00:20:20,607 Speaker 1: wearing the right tonail varnish and the right colored shoes. 484 00:20:20,727 --> 00:20:24,007 Speaker 1: So true mine, sometimes a different petty color can make 485 00:20:24,047 --> 00:20:25,887 Speaker 1: me feel about my feet. 486 00:20:25,967 --> 00:20:27,447 Speaker 3: Because they're not the prettiest part of our body. 487 00:20:27,487 --> 00:20:29,967 Speaker 1: Should we be working out our colors with no makeup on? 488 00:20:30,087 --> 00:20:33,407 Speaker 4: Absolutely makeup free is what you've got to do, right, 489 00:20:33,447 --> 00:20:35,847 Speaker 4: because often we'll have a little bit of color in 490 00:20:35,887 --> 00:20:38,647 Speaker 4: our foundation, for example, then maybe our blush is slightly 491 00:20:38,647 --> 00:20:40,687 Speaker 4: wrong for us, and our lipsticks slightly wrong, but when 492 00:20:40,687 --> 00:20:44,127 Speaker 4: it's all balanced, it's perfect. So do this testing with 493 00:20:44,207 --> 00:20:47,487 Speaker 4: your veins and your jewelry, makeup free, get a mirror, 494 00:20:47,727 --> 00:20:48,727 Speaker 4: play with your friends. 495 00:20:49,367 --> 00:20:52,607 Speaker 1: Should you ask someone's opinion? Do you think I'm called warm? Neutral? 496 00:20:52,727 --> 00:20:53,287 Speaker 3: Absolutely? 497 00:20:53,367 --> 00:20:54,967 Speaker 4: Because you want to be able to compare, And often 498 00:20:55,007 --> 00:20:57,087 Speaker 4: when you're all sat together in front of the mirror, 499 00:20:57,167 --> 00:20:58,127 Speaker 4: you can start to see. 500 00:20:57,967 --> 00:21:00,327 Speaker 3: Oh, you're a bit more olive. Actually, you're much lighter 501 00:21:00,367 --> 00:21:00,567 Speaker 3: than me. 502 00:21:00,607 --> 00:21:02,607 Speaker 1: I've never thought about that because it is so subtle, 503 00:21:02,687 --> 00:21:05,607 Speaker 1: isn't it. But even if you can understand a few 504 00:21:05,607 --> 00:21:09,047 Speaker 1: of your key characteristics, that's still absolutely going to help 505 00:21:09,087 --> 00:21:24,727 Speaker 1: you buy smarter and dress better. I love this. It's 506 00:21:24,887 --> 00:21:31,167 Speaker 1: very expensive. How old are the let's get onto bougie 507 00:21:31,207 --> 00:21:33,727 Speaker 1: and budget? Because you've inspired me to shot more color. 508 00:21:33,887 --> 00:21:36,327 Speaker 1: So where do you take your clients or recommend your 509 00:21:36,327 --> 00:21:38,847 Speaker 1: clients go? Are their brands? Are their stores that do 510 00:21:38,967 --> 00:21:43,367 Speaker 1: color well? In a not glary, terrifying vomit of rainbow? 511 00:21:43,607 --> 00:21:46,767 Speaker 1: Which I'm sure that's someone's idea, but I'm guessing people 512 00:21:46,807 --> 00:21:47,407 Speaker 1: are scared of color. 513 00:21:47,447 --> 00:21:49,367 Speaker 4: If they're listening Deluliah, my god, they're so scared of 514 00:21:49,367 --> 00:21:51,247 Speaker 4: color because we think in that really binary way right, 515 00:21:51,247 --> 00:21:52,647 Speaker 4: it's going to be black or it's going to be 516 00:21:52,687 --> 00:21:53,287 Speaker 4: a pop. 517 00:21:53,247 --> 00:21:57,127 Speaker 1: Yeah, I honestly think like hot pink, flural yellow or neutral. 518 00:21:57,207 --> 00:21:59,327 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's my rain. 519 00:21:59,567 --> 00:22:01,727 Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's the colors in the middle that actually 520 00:22:01,767 --> 00:22:02,487 Speaker 4: want to play with more. 521 00:22:02,607 --> 00:22:03,367 Speaker 3: That's the key. 522 00:22:03,687 --> 00:22:05,287 Speaker 4: That's where you get your bank for buck and that's 523 00:22:05,287 --> 00:22:08,047 Speaker 4: where you get your more flattering tones on you. 524 00:22:08,407 --> 00:22:10,367 Speaker 1: You're right, but you know, hot pink dress is amazing, 525 00:22:10,407 --> 00:22:11,807 Speaker 1: but how many times can you wear it? Because that's 526 00:22:11,807 --> 00:22:14,127 Speaker 1: that hot pink dress exactly right? Where are we shopping 527 00:22:14,127 --> 00:22:14,527 Speaker 1: for color? 528 00:22:14,647 --> 00:22:15,687 Speaker 3: So budget Uniclo. 529 00:22:16,007 --> 00:22:18,447 Speaker 4: I think they're brilliant because of obviously their floor space, 530 00:22:18,487 --> 00:22:21,047 Speaker 4: they can actually allow loads of different colors, loads of 531 00:22:21,047 --> 00:22:24,487 Speaker 4: different tones, so beautiful Kashmir and Marino will also go 532 00:22:24,527 --> 00:22:26,567 Speaker 4: and check their men's wear section as well. I often 533 00:22:26,567 --> 00:22:28,407 Speaker 4: buy from their men's wear because they've got different tints 534 00:22:28,407 --> 00:22:28,847 Speaker 4: of color. 535 00:22:29,447 --> 00:22:31,887 Speaker 1: Love them so and interesting, you say, Uniclo, because I 536 00:22:31,927 --> 00:22:33,767 Speaker 1: don't think of them as color color, but they do 537 00:22:33,807 --> 00:22:35,527 Speaker 1: have a lot of tone or like you can get 538 00:22:35,527 --> 00:22:38,167 Speaker 1: a tank in three types of gray and four different 539 00:22:38,167 --> 00:22:41,327 Speaker 1: types of brown and camel, and it's those tertiary. 540 00:22:40,967 --> 00:22:44,207 Speaker 3: Colors colors absolutely right. 541 00:22:44,927 --> 00:22:49,287 Speaker 1: Okay, So that's our budget color place to start. What 542 00:22:49,327 --> 00:22:50,807 Speaker 1: about Bougie. 543 00:22:50,287 --> 00:22:50,927 Speaker 3: Jack and Jack. 544 00:22:51,047 --> 00:22:53,087 Speaker 4: They've still got a lot of neighbors, but they do tones. 545 00:22:53,087 --> 00:22:55,927 Speaker 4: They do tones of caramel into cinnamon, they do burgundy 546 00:22:55,927 --> 00:23:00,127 Speaker 4: into merlow, they do moss greens, the tones that they do. 547 00:23:00,287 --> 00:23:02,247 Speaker 4: If you can't find a color that you like, I. 548 00:23:02,967 --> 00:23:06,087 Speaker 1: Can't help you. Yes, right, because it's funny. When I 549 00:23:06,127 --> 00:23:08,647 Speaker 1: thought about asking about stores, Yeah, my brain immediately went 550 00:23:08,687 --> 00:23:10,807 Speaker 1: to bright color. But it's so much more than that. 551 00:23:11,087 --> 00:23:13,487 Speaker 4: So and that's what we need. To flip color on 552 00:23:13,527 --> 00:23:15,887 Speaker 4: its head and stop thinking about it differently. Yes, so 553 00:23:15,927 --> 00:23:17,767 Speaker 4: that we can put it on our body. We'll wear 554 00:23:17,767 --> 00:23:20,247 Speaker 4: for seasons and seasons and will look so much better 555 00:23:20,287 --> 00:23:20,607 Speaker 4: on us. 556 00:23:20,767 --> 00:23:23,727 Speaker 1: I get it, okay, Well, Keim, before you joined us, 557 00:23:23,807 --> 00:23:27,527 Speaker 1: I picked my bougie and budget in colors that I like, 558 00:23:27,647 --> 00:23:29,487 Speaker 1: but I thought i'd bring them and show them to 559 00:23:29,567 --> 00:23:31,647 Speaker 1: you and then you can tell me what you think. 560 00:23:32,127 --> 00:23:36,327 Speaker 1: So I'll start with my budget an oversized linen blazer. 561 00:23:36,367 --> 00:23:38,567 Speaker 1: It's from a brand called atmoson here on the Iconic. 562 00:23:38,767 --> 00:23:41,967 Speaker 1: It's currently reduced, so I hope it's still available. I 563 00:23:42,007 --> 00:23:43,807 Speaker 1: might buy it if you tell me it does come 564 00:23:43,847 --> 00:23:47,727 Speaker 1: in seven neutral shades. Now. I like what they're calling khaki. 565 00:23:48,367 --> 00:23:49,767 Speaker 1: I almost would call that olive. 566 00:23:49,927 --> 00:23:51,927 Speaker 4: Is that would call that olive too? Yeah, khaki to 567 00:23:51,927 --> 00:23:52,847 Speaker 4: me is a bit lighter. 568 00:23:53,047 --> 00:23:53,887 Speaker 1: How's that on me? 569 00:23:54,327 --> 00:23:55,687 Speaker 3: It might be a little bit earthy? 570 00:23:55,847 --> 00:23:57,447 Speaker 1: I thought that was autumn after what you said. 571 00:23:57,567 --> 00:23:57,807 Speaker 2: Is that me? 572 00:23:57,807 --> 00:23:58,207 Speaker 1: Aha? 573 00:23:58,407 --> 00:23:58,687 Speaker 3: That's it? 574 00:23:58,807 --> 00:24:01,647 Speaker 1: That's mea that's me, and I want something a bit 575 00:24:01,687 --> 00:24:03,367 Speaker 1: more winter. I mean, the good thing is And obviously 576 00:24:03,367 --> 00:24:04,487 Speaker 1: the link will be in the newsletter. 577 00:24:04,527 --> 00:24:05,767 Speaker 3: There's other shades. 578 00:24:05,847 --> 00:24:07,007 Speaker 1: There's so many shades. 579 00:24:07,047 --> 00:24:10,287 Speaker 4: So lighter neutrals are really hard to buy online because 580 00:24:10,287 --> 00:24:13,607 Speaker 4: it's the nuances of is this neutral slightly yellow undertone, 581 00:24:13,607 --> 00:24:16,167 Speaker 4: which is warm? Is this neutral slightly greener, which is 582 00:24:16,207 --> 00:24:19,087 Speaker 4: a bit warmer? Is this slightly more pinky, which is cooler? 583 00:24:19,487 --> 00:24:22,247 Speaker 4: They're hard, so always always check that you can get 584 00:24:22,247 --> 00:24:25,767 Speaker 4: a full refund greed and maybe by two yeah, because 585 00:24:25,767 --> 00:24:28,207 Speaker 4: the colors on there are actually quite different. Those little 586 00:24:28,287 --> 00:24:30,847 Speaker 4: nuances that will mean that that jacket will go over 587 00:24:30,967 --> 00:24:32,847 Speaker 4: fifty things in your wardrobe or only five. 588 00:24:33,087 --> 00:24:35,807 Speaker 1: Yes, okay, that have changed my life. Okay, next one, 589 00:24:35,847 --> 00:24:38,607 Speaker 1: I wonder if I got this right. This is a 590 00:24:38,647 --> 00:24:41,807 Speaker 1: brand on the iconic cord Amelia, but this is called 591 00:24:41,807 --> 00:24:44,487 Speaker 1: the bridget linen pant in merle Low. I hope I 592 00:24:44,567 --> 00:24:48,527 Speaker 1: got this right, wide leg pantses. So that's a me color. Yes, okay, 593 00:24:48,647 --> 00:24:51,167 Speaker 1: so it's like a deep red white, beautiful linen wide 594 00:24:51,207 --> 00:24:54,127 Speaker 1: lead pant. But for other people there's a rose water. 595 00:24:54,247 --> 00:24:57,207 Speaker 4: Okay, so that might be a really subtle blush. Yes, 596 00:24:57,447 --> 00:24:59,727 Speaker 4: most people can wear that, to be honest, Okay, it's 597 00:24:59,767 --> 00:25:02,447 Speaker 4: a really interesting color because it's really gentle. A lot 598 00:25:02,487 --> 00:25:04,887 Speaker 4: of people's white and off white. It's really lovely, So 599 00:25:04,887 --> 00:25:06,567 Speaker 4: we don't want it to lilack it. It needs to be 600 00:25:06,607 --> 00:25:08,047 Speaker 4: definitely a bit more pinky peach. 601 00:25:08,207 --> 00:25:10,087 Speaker 1: And then this duck egg who's that for? 602 00:25:10,447 --> 00:25:13,527 Speaker 3: That's more summer. That's more summer US, Yes, summer family, 603 00:25:13,607 --> 00:25:14,047 Speaker 3: late summer. 604 00:25:14,087 --> 00:25:15,567 Speaker 1: And this goes to show that you can get the 605 00:25:15,647 --> 00:25:18,127 Speaker 1: same style but in different color families. And I should 606 00:25:18,167 --> 00:25:20,567 Speaker 1: say they're one eighty nine and I love them. Kim, 607 00:25:20,647 --> 00:25:22,687 Speaker 1: this is so fascinating. You've changed my life and now 608 00:25:22,727 --> 00:25:25,247 Speaker 1: I finally believe in color analysis, where I was a 609 00:25:25,287 --> 00:25:26,447 Speaker 1: hater before. 610 00:25:26,167 --> 00:25:26,767 Speaker 3: So as ido. 611 00:25:26,887 --> 00:25:29,007 Speaker 4: When I first started, I have to learn this, I 612 00:25:29,087 --> 00:25:30,047 Speaker 4: did not want to learn it. 613 00:25:30,207 --> 00:25:32,927 Speaker 1: Kim. You're wonderful. 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