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Speaker 1: You're listening to a Muma Mea podcast. Hi, I'm Claire Murphy.

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Speaker 1: This is Mumma MIA's twice daily news podcast, The Quickie.

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Speaker 1: How's the social media band for under sixteens going down

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Speaker 1: at your place? Some parents of kids whose accounts are

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Speaker 1: about to be deleted are confused about what will happen

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Speaker 1: and when, about what platforms will be impacted, and how

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Speaker 1: they can manage their children's expectations. Others can't wait for

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Speaker 1: the band to arrive, the move possibly giving them another

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Speaker 1: tool in the back pocket, forcing device addicted kids off

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Speaker 1: their screens. Today we're speaking with Say Premier Peter malanowskis,

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Speaker 1: the politician whose framework started this whole ball rolling, and

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Speaker 1: get you across what you need to know, including whether

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Speaker 1: you was an over sixteen will have to prove your

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Speaker 1: age with just a little over two weeks to d day.

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Speaker 1: But first, here's the letters from the Quickie newsroom. Tuesday,

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Speaker 1: November twenty five. Controversial One Nation leader Pauline Hanson has

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Speaker 1: been labeled a racist and suspended from the Senate after

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Speaker 1: wearing a burker into the chamber for a second time.

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Speaker 1: Shortly after Senator Hanson failed to move a bill banning

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Speaker 1: the Islamic head covering from public places. On Monday, the

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Speaker 1: seventy one year old entered the chamber wearing a burker

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Speaker 1: during a vote on a separate motion. She pulled the

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Speaker 1: exact same stunt in twenty seventeen. Her appearance was met

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Speaker 1: with a furious reaction from Greens and Independent senators, including

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Speaker 1: Fatima Payman and Marine Ferruki, both of whom are Muslim.

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Speaker 2: It's almost ten years since Senator Hanson's bathedic stunt where

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Speaker 2: she wore a burka in the Senate, and there were

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Speaker 2: no Muslim women at that time in the Senate. Well,

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Speaker 2: we are here now, we are here to stay, and

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Speaker 2: we will make sure that no Muslim woman is policed

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Speaker 2: for what she wears.

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Speaker 1: The majority of Senators voted in favor of emotion by

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Speaker 1: Labour's Penny Wong to suspend Senator Hanson from the Senate

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Speaker 1: After it was revealed that the new Bureau of Meteorology

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Speaker 1: website cost was twenty times more than the original four

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Speaker 1: million dollar price tag. The Bureau's boss has explained exactly why.

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Speaker 1: CEO Stewart Minchin revealed yesterday that the budget was approved

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Speaker 1: by the Turnbull government back in twenty seventeen, but it

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Speaker 1: was to upgrade much more than just the front end website,

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Speaker 1: which is the four million dollars. Doctor Minchin explained that

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Speaker 1: after a cyber attack in twenty fifteen, they needed to

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Speaker 1: strengthen the system, and that the website redesign was just

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Speaker 1: the tip of the iceberg. The entire system requiring upgrades

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Speaker 1: extends from data flowing from tens of thousands of pieces

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Speaker 1: of equipment in the field, to the supercomputer that does

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Speaker 1: all the modeling, to the systems that actually then forecast

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Speaker 1: the weather and then feeds that into the website. The

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Speaker 1: site's redesign, which has been slammed by users as being

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Speaker 1: much harder to navigate and read, was delayed by COVID

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Speaker 1: and experienced a fifteen percent cost blowout, the final price

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Speaker 1: tag for the entire system upgrade coming in at ninety

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Speaker 1: six point five million. The bravery of the heroic police

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Speaker 1: officer who ended a deadly stabbing rampage at Bondi Westfield

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Speaker 1: in April twenty twenty four is expected to receive a

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Speaker 1: claim today as the inquest into the tragedy draws to

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Speaker 1: a clause. Inspector Amy Scott rushed into Bondi Junction Westfield

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Speaker 1: shopping Center without back up. After panic shoppers begged her

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Speaker 1: to help, she confronted the knife wielding Joel Cauchi, who

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Speaker 1: that killed six people and injured ten others, including a baby.

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Speaker 1: As Couchie ran at her, Inspector Scott made sure all

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Speaker 1: civilians were out of range before shooting him twice. From

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Speaker 1: the moment she entered the center to ensuring the public

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Speaker 1: her just eighty five seconds. The inquest into the mass

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Speaker 1: stabbing is expected to hear today that her response was

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Speaker 1: entirely justified and appropriate. A woman in Thailand has shocked

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Speaker 1: temple staff when she started moving in her coffin after

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Speaker 1: being brought in for cremation. The woman's brother reportedly said

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Speaker 1: when her health deteriorated and she became unresponsive, appearing to

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Speaker 1: then took her to the temple, where they offer free

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Speaker 1: was during that conversation that they heard a faint knocking

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Speaker 1: in the world today. Next, the social media ban is looming.

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Speaker 1: We'll tell you exactly what you need to know. In

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Speaker 1: November last year, the Social Media Minimum Age Bill was

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Speaker 1: introduced to Federal Parliament. By December it had passed, giving

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Speaker 1: Ozzie families twelve months to figure out a plan to

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Speaker 1: firstly inform their under sixteens that come December tenth, twenty

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Speaker 1: that point on age verification would come into play. So

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Speaker 1: here's a rundown on exactly what this is going to

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Speaker 1: look like the minimum age required to have an account

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Speaker 1: on social media platforms TikTok, Instagram, Facebook, Threads, Snapchat, x YouTube, Reddit,

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Speaker 1: Kick and Twitch from December ten will be sixteen. The

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Speaker 1: platforms that are not included include Discord, GitHub, Google, Classroom, Lego, Play, Messenger, Pinterest, Roadblocks,

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Speaker 1: although they've announced recently they will be bringing in age

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Speaker 1: verification two, Steam and steam Chat, WhatsApp, and YouTube Kids.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: The platforms themselves will be in charge of deleting any

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Speaker 1: of sixteen with meta. The owners of Facebook, Instagram, and

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Speaker 1: threads last week sending out emails and dms letting anyone

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Speaker 1: with one of those accounts know that they had two

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Speaker 1: that that will happen. That's why they've been asking you

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Speaker 1: to delete or download anything before then. There will be

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Speaker 1: tools being deployed, including third party entities like Yoti, that

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Speaker 1: will then be put through AI technology to provide an

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Speaker 1: age estimation. If this fails, however, a government issued ID

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Speaker 1: At this stage, there will be no legal penalties for

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Speaker 1: The social media platforms will also have to attempt to

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Speaker 1: up to forty nine point five million dollars. Now, this

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Speaker 1: won't stop kids from seeing online content. They can access

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Speaker 1: and actor Ella Lucia, who has her social media accounts

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Speaker 3: What is the.

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Speaker 1: Difference between a thirteen year old reposting a video and

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Speaker 2: I don't think any of the methods that have been

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Speaker 1: The social media joants are also arguing that this will

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Speaker 1: the conversation. ESA premier Peter Melanowskis was the one who

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. Premier, how does it feel to be

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Speaker 3: All I can say is I'm very grateful that kids

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Speaker 1: Vote for the Yeah, that's probably a good thing, right,

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Speaker 1: But I guess to be serious, they might hate us

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Speaker 1: for a minute, parents, politicians for a moment, But we'll

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Speaker 1: talk about why do you feel this is necessary at

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Speaker 1: this point? But I'd like to understand what started you

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Speaker 4: My wife and I were parents of four kids.

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Speaker 3: Our artist is ten, our daughter, and we've spoken in

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Speaker 3: My wife read a book called The Anxious Generation by

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Speaker 3: We're lying in bed and you've really got to do

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Speaker 3: a better work. We mapped out a bit of a

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Speaker 3: One of the best decisions we made with hindsight was

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Speaker 3: when I first announced this, I didn't say we're going

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Speaker 4: I said we're going to do it.

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Speaker 3: the Nation to procure a piece of work about how

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Speaker 3: a state parliament could give effect to a band. But

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Speaker 3: hope that it would result in a lot of community

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Speaker 3: support that then might precipitate other states getting on board,

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Speaker 3: and then in turn eventually the federal government. But none

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Speaker 3: less than twelve months, But indeed it did.

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Speaker 1: Do you think you have a better understanding now from

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Speaker 1: when your wife mentioned this to you to now about

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Speaker 1: just how harmful social media can be for these younger

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Speaker 4: The short answer is yes.

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Speaker 3: Before we announced our effort and what we were going

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Speaker 1: One of the arguments that I've been reading a fair

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Speaker 3: So what we're seeking to do is just regulate it. Now,

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Speaker 3: But that's true for every piece of regulation we do

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Speaker 3: do kids smoke? Yes, and so forth? But do we

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Speaker 1: It away from the actual argument about whether this is

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Speaker 3: But I think by and large it's kinde as well

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Speaker 4: But let me guarantee you something things are going to

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Speaker 3: There will be controversies, and there will be a massive

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Speaker 3: And the reason why I know that is true one

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Speaker 1: Just finally, premiere, What are your hopes in the next

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Speaker 3: I think there'll be challenges with it, but it just

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Speaker 3: If it happened overnight, you would have seen a quicker response.

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Speaker 1: For some more info on the social media band, you

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Speaker 1: and articles written by Mumma MEA's editorial team on the

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