1 00:00:11,104 --> 00:00:14,104 Speaker 1: So you're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. 2 00:00:14,784 --> 00:00:18,664 Speaker 2: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders 3 00:00:18,704 --> 00:00:26,584 Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on From Mamma Mia. Welcome 4 00:00:26,584 --> 00:00:29,304 Speaker 2: to the Spill your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura 5 00:00:29,384 --> 00:00:32,104 Speaker 2: Brodney and I'm Cassnula Kitch and coming up on the 6 00:00:32,144 --> 00:00:35,264 Speaker 2: show today, we officially know what Ryan Murphy's next season 7 00:00:35,344 --> 00:00:38,584 Speaker 2: of Monster on Netflix. That's his series where he chronicles 8 00:00:38,624 --> 00:00:41,664 Speaker 2: different real life monsters like serial killers through time. We 9 00:00:41,744 --> 00:00:44,424 Speaker 2: officially know what this next season is going to be about. 10 00:00:44,464 --> 00:00:47,184 Speaker 2: And the fact that he's cast a NEPO baby who 11 00:00:47,224 --> 00:00:49,824 Speaker 2: is part of huge Hollywood law as the lead actress. 12 00:00:49,824 --> 00:00:52,624 Speaker 2: We're going to get into that. Plus, Kylie Jenner has 13 00:00:52,704 --> 00:00:56,384 Speaker 2: released a surprising new video on Snapchat of all platforms. 14 00:00:56,664 --> 00:00:59,504 Speaker 2: It's kind of hearkening back to her most famous era. 15 00:00:59,864 --> 00:01:01,664 Speaker 2: There's been a lot of backlash around it. We're going 16 00:01:01,704 --> 00:01:02,344 Speaker 2: to get into that. 17 00:01:02,664 --> 00:01:05,344 Speaker 1: But first, so in some more streaming news. 18 00:01:05,384 --> 00:01:07,304 Speaker 3: We have all been very, very excited about the new 19 00:01:07,384 --> 00:01:10,824 Speaker 3: Bridgeton season, but I feel like not everyone has been 20 00:01:10,864 --> 00:01:15,024 Speaker 3: talking about the new season of Stranger Things season five, 21 00:01:15,264 --> 00:01:19,704 Speaker 3: which we are finally getting. So if you don't remember 22 00:01:19,744 --> 00:01:22,624 Speaker 3: Season four actually aired back in twenty twenty. 23 00:01:22,384 --> 00:01:24,344 Speaker 1: Two, so it's been like three years. 24 00:01:24,824 --> 00:01:27,384 Speaker 3: We have all been waiting very patiently to see what's 25 00:01:27,384 --> 00:01:30,384 Speaker 3: going to happen to the Vecna and the upside Down, 26 00:01:31,064 --> 00:01:34,024 Speaker 3: and we finally have some details. So it's going to 27 00:01:34,024 --> 00:01:36,184 Speaker 3: be in three parts we're going to get Volume one 28 00:01:36,184 --> 00:01:38,744 Speaker 3: will be four episodes that drops on November twenty six, 29 00:01:38,824 --> 00:01:42,664 Speaker 3: twenty twenty five. Volume two is three episodes that's going 30 00:01:42,704 --> 00:01:45,424 Speaker 3: to be out on Christmas Day this year, and the 31 00:01:45,464 --> 00:01:48,864 Speaker 3: series finale will air on Newyear's Eve. Now, the big 32 00:01:49,064 --> 00:01:52,584 Speaker 3: story around all of this is the length of the episodes. 33 00:01:52,704 --> 00:01:54,744 Speaker 3: That seems to be the biggest story of it all. 34 00:01:55,104 --> 00:01:57,744 Speaker 2: Yes, because the Duffer brothers who created the show, because 35 00:01:57,744 --> 00:02:00,144 Speaker 2: they've had many many years to tease fans with what's 36 00:02:00,264 --> 00:02:03,584 Speaker 2: coming up and sort of get people's excitement really heightened. 37 00:02:03,624 --> 00:02:05,424 Speaker 2: One of the things they kept alluding to fans is 38 00:02:05,424 --> 00:02:08,344 Speaker 2: that this last season was going to have these potential 39 00:02:08,424 --> 00:02:11,344 Speaker 2: like feature length movie episode or at least the fact 40 00:02:11,344 --> 00:02:13,624 Speaker 2: that the episodes would be longer than we've seen before. 41 00:02:13,944 --> 00:02:15,704 Speaker 3: Yeah, so I think a lot of people were thinking 42 00:02:15,704 --> 00:02:17,624 Speaker 3: they were going to be around that ninety minute mark, 43 00:02:17,664 --> 00:02:19,784 Speaker 3: which is what like a kid's movie would be that's 44 00:02:19,864 --> 00:02:22,064 Speaker 3: kind of at that ninety minute mark. Most movies are 45 00:02:22,104 --> 00:02:24,504 Speaker 3: around that two to three hour mark. The first four 46 00:02:24,504 --> 00:02:26,424 Speaker 3: episodes look like they're going to be from fifty four 47 00:02:26,424 --> 00:02:29,424 Speaker 3: to eighty three minutes, so between an hour and an 48 00:02:29,504 --> 00:02:29,984 Speaker 3: hour and a half. 49 00:02:30,264 --> 00:02:33,744 Speaker 2: Yeah, for a TV episode. That's actually quite wild timing 50 00:02:33,784 --> 00:02:36,264 Speaker 2: like that, each episode nearly being a movie length. So 51 00:02:36,264 --> 00:02:39,024 Speaker 2: they haven't made good on that promise, especially now considering 52 00:02:39,104 --> 00:02:41,664 Speaker 2: most episodes of TV shows that come out are around 53 00:02:41,664 --> 00:02:44,624 Speaker 2: the thirty minute mark, some even the twenty five minute mark, 54 00:02:44,984 --> 00:02:47,584 Speaker 2: so it's almost doubled it, which is crazy. 55 00:02:47,704 --> 00:02:50,304 Speaker 3: Well, back when you used to have ads, a sitcom 56 00:02:50,384 --> 00:02:52,784 Speaker 3: was twenty two minutes plus ads. That is the length 57 00:02:52,864 --> 00:02:55,944 Speaker 3: of a sitcom, right, So that was your standard length 58 00:02:55,984 --> 00:03:01,024 Speaker 3: of a series episode, And now with Netflix and streaming, 59 00:03:01,064 --> 00:03:02,984 Speaker 3: we don't have that anymore, so people have a lot 60 00:03:03,024 --> 00:03:05,304 Speaker 3: more flexibility with how long they can make things. 61 00:03:05,584 --> 00:03:07,344 Speaker 1: We don't know how long the remaining. 62 00:03:07,024 --> 00:03:10,224 Speaker 3: Two episodes will be at this point, we'll probably see 63 00:03:10,224 --> 00:03:12,744 Speaker 3: the finale being more around that two hour mark. 64 00:03:12,824 --> 00:03:14,784 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd say they'd be even longer like that to 65 00:03:14,864 --> 00:03:16,544 Speaker 2: be a huge amount of story to close out. 66 00:03:16,704 --> 00:03:19,504 Speaker 3: Yeah, So basically they wrapped this filming back at the 67 00:03:19,584 --> 00:03:22,104 Speaker 3: end of twenty twenty four after a full year of production. 68 00:03:22,744 --> 00:03:26,024 Speaker 3: What the story is going to be focusing on is 69 00:03:26,224 --> 00:03:28,384 Speaker 3: it's set in the autumn of nineteen eighty seven, off 70 00:03:28,424 --> 00:03:32,744 Speaker 3: the back of season four's events. It's been so long, 71 00:03:32,824 --> 00:03:35,984 Speaker 3: I kind of completely forgot about it. But so they're 72 00:03:35,984 --> 00:03:38,784 Speaker 3: basically still sort of worrying about what's happened in the 73 00:03:38,864 --> 00:03:42,464 Speaker 3: Riffs and what's happening in Upside Down, and they're finally 74 00:03:42,504 --> 00:03:45,904 Speaker 3: needing to go back and finally defeat the Vechner, finally 75 00:03:45,984 --> 00:03:48,384 Speaker 3: sort of conquer evil once and for all. 76 00:03:48,584 --> 00:03:51,064 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, because that was a really like horrific 77 00:03:51,224 --> 00:03:53,664 Speaker 2: last episode of that last season, because we had Max 78 00:03:53,864 --> 00:03:56,104 Speaker 2: be kind of like swept up into like Vecna's world 79 00:03:56,144 --> 00:03:58,144 Speaker 2: and she was still in hospital, and there was like 80 00:03:58,184 --> 00:04:00,144 Speaker 2: a lot of question marks so whether she would survive, 81 00:04:00,224 --> 00:04:01,944 Speaker 2: Like we know Sadie thinks in this next season, we 82 00:04:01,944 --> 00:04:03,544 Speaker 2: don't know what's going to happen to her. And then 83 00:04:03,544 --> 00:04:05,984 Speaker 2: that final shot was of them all standing and looking 84 00:04:05,984 --> 00:04:08,664 Speaker 2: out as like the upside Down came into their world, 85 00:04:09,024 --> 00:04:11,344 Speaker 2: and so that was also a huge thing. They've also 86 00:04:11,384 --> 00:04:12,824 Speaker 2: alluded to the fact that like a lot of the 87 00:04:12,824 --> 00:04:15,664 Speaker 2: main characters aren't going to survive this final season. 88 00:04:15,944 --> 00:04:18,784 Speaker 1: So here's my issue with this. I love this series. 89 00:04:18,824 --> 00:04:21,264 Speaker 3: When it first came out in twenty sixteen, I thoroughly 90 00:04:21,344 --> 00:04:24,384 Speaker 3: enjoyed it. I really really liked the show meally. Bobby 91 00:04:24,424 --> 00:04:27,104 Speaker 3: Brown has obviously gone on to do some incredible things. 92 00:04:27,144 --> 00:04:27,744 Speaker 1: We love her. 93 00:04:28,504 --> 00:04:30,864 Speaker 3: My issue with this is with the first season in 94 00:04:30,904 --> 00:04:34,624 Speaker 3: twenty sixteen. Season two was twenty seventeen. 95 00:04:34,664 --> 00:04:35,144 Speaker 1: A year later. 96 00:04:35,184 --> 00:04:39,984 Speaker 3: That's fine, Season three twenty nineteen, Season four twenty twenty two, 97 00:04:40,024 --> 00:04:42,064 Speaker 3: and now they're getting the final season in twenty twenty five. 98 00:04:42,224 --> 00:04:44,264 Speaker 1: It's too long. It's too long. 99 00:04:44,344 --> 00:04:46,864 Speaker 3: I mean, I can't, like I have let that part 100 00:04:46,904 --> 00:04:49,144 Speaker 3: of my life go, Like my attention span is not 101 00:04:49,224 --> 00:04:50,984 Speaker 3: good enough to wait this long. I will watch it 102 00:04:51,024 --> 00:04:53,424 Speaker 3: because I do like the show, and I think it's 103 00:04:53,464 --> 00:04:54,264 Speaker 3: a good series. 104 00:04:54,584 --> 00:04:56,904 Speaker 1: But for three years we've been waiting. 105 00:04:57,504 --> 00:05:00,264 Speaker 3: It's dropped off out of a lot of people's heads 106 00:05:00,264 --> 00:05:00,784 Speaker 3: by now. 107 00:05:00,904 --> 00:05:01,064 Speaker 4: Oh. 108 00:05:01,144 --> 00:05:03,224 Speaker 2: I mean, I think there's a few people who might 109 00:05:03,304 --> 00:05:05,744 Speaker 2: have to maybe rewatch the last episode, but I don't 110 00:05:05,744 --> 00:05:07,464 Speaker 2: think it's gone out of people's heads at all. I 111 00:05:07,544 --> 00:05:09,624 Speaker 2: think that, like one, they would never not make this 112 00:05:09,704 --> 00:05:12,944 Speaker 2: last season. It's such a huge, huge money maker for Netflix. 113 00:05:12,984 --> 00:05:14,744 Speaker 2: It's one of their most watched shows of all time, 114 00:05:15,104 --> 00:05:17,344 Speaker 2: and I'm sure like this final episode will break all 115 00:05:17,424 --> 00:05:20,224 Speaker 2: kinds of records. But also like people would write in 116 00:05:20,264 --> 00:05:23,424 Speaker 2: the streets if they didn't get the ending to this series. 117 00:05:23,744 --> 00:05:26,024 Speaker 2: So I think it'll be huge. Yes, it would have 118 00:05:26,064 --> 00:05:28,104 Speaker 2: been better earlier, but I think that there was so 119 00:05:28,264 --> 00:05:29,864 Speaker 2: much they said, there was a lot of production issues 120 00:05:29,904 --> 00:05:31,424 Speaker 2: behind the scenes in terms of like it was such 121 00:05:31,464 --> 00:05:34,624 Speaker 2: a huge storyline to film. We've also had writers strikes 122 00:05:34,664 --> 00:05:36,824 Speaker 2: and actors strikes in that time, which I think pushed 123 00:05:36,824 --> 00:05:39,424 Speaker 2: it a little bit further. So yeah, probably would have 124 00:05:39,464 --> 00:05:42,104 Speaker 2: been more momentum to have maybe even a two year break, 125 00:05:42,304 --> 00:05:43,504 Speaker 2: But I still think it'll be huge. 126 00:05:43,504 --> 00:05:45,624 Speaker 1: You can't keep using COVID as a excuse any. 127 00:05:46,104 --> 00:05:48,384 Speaker 2: I didn't think about actually that too well. 128 00:05:48,424 --> 00:05:51,544 Speaker 3: I think that's probably what delayed productions for season four. 129 00:05:51,664 --> 00:05:54,504 Speaker 3: I just it was such a moment when it first came. 130 00:05:54,624 --> 00:05:57,144 Speaker 3: I feel like it was one of Netflix's first big 131 00:05:57,424 --> 00:06:00,744 Speaker 3: created shows that they created in house. It brought us 132 00:06:00,744 --> 00:06:03,824 Speaker 3: back Winona Rider, it brought us merely Bobby Brown, it 133 00:06:03,864 --> 00:06:05,984 Speaker 3: brought us all of those kids, it brought us eleven 134 00:06:06,024 --> 00:06:07,824 Speaker 3: actually went as eleven to Halloween one year. 135 00:06:07,984 --> 00:06:08,744 Speaker 2: That's very cute. 136 00:06:08,864 --> 00:06:09,144 Speaker 4: Yeah. 137 00:06:09,224 --> 00:06:10,904 Speaker 3: I actually made like a really cute perse out of 138 00:06:10,984 --> 00:06:12,264 Speaker 3: Eggos container. 139 00:06:12,704 --> 00:06:14,544 Speaker 1: It was cute. I'll have to but that was so 140 00:06:14,664 --> 00:06:15,144 Speaker 1: long ago. 141 00:06:15,704 --> 00:06:18,504 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't dress upretty well. But yeah, look, it 142 00:06:18,544 --> 00:06:21,024 Speaker 3: will be airing later on this year. I will be 143 00:06:21,064 --> 00:06:22,624 Speaker 3: watching it, but I'm. 144 00:06:22,304 --> 00:06:24,224 Speaker 1: Just sad that it's taken so long to get to 145 00:06:24,304 --> 00:06:25,464 Speaker 1: this point, Nana. 146 00:06:26,904 --> 00:06:31,624 Speaker 3: So Ryan Murphy's hit series Monsters on Netflix, this has 147 00:06:31,664 --> 00:06:32,504 Speaker 3: obviously been huge. 148 00:06:32,504 --> 00:06:32,664 Speaker 2: You know. 149 00:06:32,704 --> 00:06:34,784 Speaker 1: We started off with the Jeffrey Dharma series. 150 00:06:34,944 --> 00:06:38,584 Speaker 3: We then had the Menendez Brothers, and the most recent 151 00:06:38,624 --> 00:06:41,864 Speaker 3: one has been the Ed Guns Story with Charlie Hunnam. 152 00:06:42,424 --> 00:06:44,944 Speaker 3: So the next series that we're going to be getting 153 00:06:45,224 --> 00:06:47,664 Speaker 3: is the story of Lizzie Borden. 154 00:06:48,264 --> 00:06:50,144 Speaker 1: The series is now in pre production. We've got a 155 00:06:50,184 --> 00:06:50,824 Speaker 1: cast list. 156 00:06:51,144 --> 00:06:52,904 Speaker 3: I'm going to get into that in a little bit, 157 00:06:53,264 --> 00:06:55,144 Speaker 3: but i want to just give people a little bit 158 00:06:55,184 --> 00:06:57,144 Speaker 3: of an insight into his case. If you haven't heard 159 00:06:57,144 --> 00:06:59,064 Speaker 3: of it, or if you're not like a true crime person, 160 00:06:59,744 --> 00:07:01,344 Speaker 3: you're not a massive true crime person, but you know 161 00:07:01,424 --> 00:07:02,424 Speaker 3: this story. 162 00:07:02,384 --> 00:07:04,704 Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like Lizzie Borden in particular has become 163 00:07:04,744 --> 00:07:07,624 Speaker 2: like such a huge part of pop culture. She's become 164 00:07:07,664 --> 00:07:10,144 Speaker 2: like one of those costumes that you can just like dresses, 165 00:07:10,144 --> 00:07:12,344 Speaker 2: the girl holding an axe. Everyone knows that you're being 166 00:07:12,344 --> 00:07:14,584 Speaker 2: Lizzie born in And I did watch the one that 167 00:07:14,664 --> 00:07:17,744 Speaker 2: Christina Richie was in the Lizzy Borden Chronicles. And there 168 00:07:17,784 --> 00:07:21,184 Speaker 2: was also that twenty eighteen feature film that had Chloe 169 00:07:21,224 --> 00:07:23,944 Speaker 2: seven Year and Christian Stewart, two of my favorite actresses. 170 00:07:23,944 --> 00:07:25,944 Speaker 2: So I watched that. So I'm very across the Lizzie 171 00:07:25,984 --> 00:07:26,584 Speaker 2: board in law. 172 00:07:26,864 --> 00:07:29,064 Speaker 3: Yes, So in case you don't know, I did actually 173 00:07:29,144 --> 00:07:32,224 Speaker 3: just recently, very coincidentally listen to a whole podcast episode 174 00:07:32,224 --> 00:07:34,904 Speaker 3: on this particular case. So it takes based in eighteen 175 00:07:34,984 --> 00:07:38,144 Speaker 3: ninety two in Massachusetts with with my favorite American state 176 00:07:38,184 --> 00:07:39,944 Speaker 3: to say, because I just really feel like it is 177 00:07:39,984 --> 00:07:42,424 Speaker 3: a fun word. So on the morning fourth of August, 178 00:07:42,424 --> 00:07:44,984 Speaker 3: there was a brutal attack in the Boorden house and 179 00:07:45,184 --> 00:07:47,944 Speaker 3: Lizzie's father Andrew and stepmother Abbey were killed with a 180 00:07:47,984 --> 00:07:49,264 Speaker 3: hatchet not an axe. 181 00:07:49,344 --> 00:07:52,064 Speaker 1: I know there is a big difference, Laura. 182 00:07:51,584 --> 00:07:53,784 Speaker 2: Okay, well I don't really want to be killed by 183 00:07:53,784 --> 00:07:54,304 Speaker 2: either one. 184 00:07:54,264 --> 00:07:54,664 Speaker 4: No, I know. 185 00:07:54,704 --> 00:07:57,424 Speaker 3: So the hatchet is a small axe, and apparently this 186 00:07:57,504 --> 00:07:59,664 Speaker 3: is like one of the big Sometimes true crime people 187 00:07:59,704 --> 00:08:02,864 Speaker 3: get very like particular about this particular point in the 188 00:08:02,904 --> 00:08:05,904 Speaker 3: case because it's a hatchet, not an axe anyway. Now, 189 00:08:05,984 --> 00:08:08,904 Speaker 3: the other reason why this story was so crazy is 190 00:08:08,944 --> 00:08:12,464 Speaker 3: because she was actually put on trial for this particular 191 00:08:12,544 --> 00:08:15,824 Speaker 3: murder and acquitted, and the real murderer was never found. 192 00:08:16,064 --> 00:08:18,624 Speaker 3: Now most people believe that it was in fact her, 193 00:08:19,144 --> 00:08:21,184 Speaker 3: But a lot of the reasoning behind her not being 194 00:08:21,224 --> 00:08:25,384 Speaker 3: convicted was because back in the eighteen nineties, it was 195 00:08:25,504 --> 00:08:28,104 Speaker 3: not believed that a woman could commit this level of 196 00:08:28,384 --> 00:08:33,024 Speaker 3: heinous violence if they killed a women killed with poison. 197 00:08:32,824 --> 00:08:35,704 Speaker 2: You know how like pop culture takes, stories and costumes 198 00:08:35,744 --> 00:08:38,744 Speaker 2: kind of dilute things and the way things are talked about. 199 00:08:38,904 --> 00:08:41,544 Speaker 2: So she's always depicted sometimes as being like a little girl, 200 00:08:41,664 --> 00:08:43,504 Speaker 2: like a teenage So she was thirty. 201 00:08:43,184 --> 00:08:45,784 Speaker 1: Two, Jesus, but she was always single. 202 00:08:45,864 --> 00:08:48,864 Speaker 3: And again back in that era, at thirty two, to 203 00:08:48,904 --> 00:08:50,264 Speaker 3: be unmarried. 204 00:08:50,424 --> 00:08:51,504 Speaker 1: You know what's a wonder thing. 205 00:08:51,544 --> 00:08:53,584 Speaker 2: They didn't depict her in history as like an old hag. 206 00:08:53,624 --> 00:08:55,744 Speaker 2: If she was thirty two and unmarried. She died a lot, 207 00:08:56,144 --> 00:08:59,424 Speaker 2: but she'd never never married. She was died of pneumonia. 208 00:08:59,984 --> 00:09:01,784 Speaker 1: But the other really interesting part. 209 00:09:01,544 --> 00:09:05,224 Speaker 3: Of this case is the house itself in Massachusetts, which 210 00:09:05,224 --> 00:09:06,504 Speaker 3: actually still stands today. 211 00:09:06,504 --> 00:09:08,224 Speaker 1: It's a bed and breakfast and you. 212 00:09:08,104 --> 00:09:11,704 Speaker 3: Can go and sleep in the room room where her 213 00:09:11,984 --> 00:09:14,944 Speaker 3: stepmother died, which is Greenvil would be lining up. They 214 00:09:15,144 --> 00:09:17,504 Speaker 3: apparently it's very interesting and you can go on like 215 00:09:17,664 --> 00:09:18,904 Speaker 3: historical tours in there. 216 00:09:19,384 --> 00:09:19,544 Speaker 1: Now. 217 00:09:19,544 --> 00:09:21,384 Speaker 3: The reason why the house is so popular is because 218 00:09:21,384 --> 00:09:24,584 Speaker 3: it's very unusual. So all of the the house is 219 00:09:24,624 --> 00:09:26,904 Speaker 3: a very strange layout, so you have to like walk 220 00:09:26,984 --> 00:09:30,824 Speaker 3: through bedrooms to get to the kitchen, and every single 221 00:09:30,864 --> 00:09:33,464 Speaker 3: door had a lock on it and a different key, 222 00:09:34,144 --> 00:09:36,864 Speaker 3: and so I think there was sort of speculation that 223 00:09:37,264 --> 00:09:42,744 Speaker 3: Andrew the father was really really abusive and it was 224 00:09:42,784 --> 00:09:45,424 Speaker 3: a weird house. There's stuff going on in there that 225 00:09:45,584 --> 00:09:49,024 Speaker 3: was very very strange. So this is what the new 226 00:09:49,144 --> 00:09:51,624 Speaker 3: season of Monsters is going to be on, which I'm 227 00:09:51,624 --> 00:09:55,624 Speaker 3: actually very excited because this case particularly, I think there's 228 00:09:55,624 --> 00:09:58,544 Speaker 3: a lot of room to add that sort of creative 229 00:09:58,624 --> 00:10:02,584 Speaker 3: license because there's still so much mystery surrounding it. And 230 00:10:02,624 --> 00:10:05,744 Speaker 3: I think that because it was so long ago, that 231 00:10:05,784 --> 00:10:11,224 Speaker 3: morality around highlighting victims and sort of taking advance victims 232 00:10:11,424 --> 00:10:15,664 Speaker 3: isn't really there anymore because it was in the eighteen nineties. Yeah, 233 00:10:15,704 --> 00:10:18,624 Speaker 3: so I am really excited for this particular story. 234 00:10:18,904 --> 00:10:19,104 Speaker 4: Yeah. 235 00:10:19,184 --> 00:10:21,704 Speaker 2: And the first time there's been a female led story 236 00:10:21,704 --> 00:10:24,304 Speaker 2: in this Monster franchise, which is interesting and it's I 237 00:10:24,304 --> 00:10:26,184 Speaker 2: think it's interesting they picked this instead of some of 238 00:10:26,224 --> 00:10:31,064 Speaker 2: the more like hardcore serial killer yeah, war Knock or something, 239 00:10:31,104 --> 00:10:33,584 Speaker 2: you know, they did something. I think this has a 240 00:10:33,664 --> 00:10:35,504 Speaker 2: little bit more mystery to it, and I think it'll 241 00:10:35,544 --> 00:10:39,144 Speaker 2: be more interesting as a story because of the mystery 242 00:10:39,224 --> 00:10:40,744 Speaker 2: behind it. And for a lot of people, this might 243 00:10:40,744 --> 00:10:42,384 Speaker 2: be the first time they're hearing about her. 244 00:10:42,624 --> 00:10:44,464 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it is for a lot of people. 245 00:10:44,504 --> 00:10:47,344 Speaker 3: I think in the States it's a lot more well known. 246 00:10:47,464 --> 00:10:50,104 Speaker 3: I think in Australia maybe not as well known. 247 00:10:50,504 --> 00:10:52,984 Speaker 2: The casting, Yes, so it was just been announced this 248 00:10:53,024 --> 00:10:55,944 Speaker 2: week that Ella Beatty is going to be playing Lizzie. 249 00:10:56,064 --> 00:10:59,384 Speaker 2: So her first role was in another Ryan Murphy series, 250 00:10:59,424 --> 00:11:02,464 Speaker 2: Capodi Versus the Swans, which told the story of Truman 251 00:11:02,504 --> 00:11:04,704 Speaker 2: Compodi and all the women in New York society that 252 00:11:04,744 --> 00:11:07,304 Speaker 2: he eventually took down and the fraught relationship. So that 253 00:11:07,424 --> 00:11:09,984 Speaker 2: was Ella's first role and she's been cast as Lizzie. 254 00:11:10,424 --> 00:11:12,704 Speaker 2: It's kind of very on the nose casting from Ryan 255 00:11:12,824 --> 00:11:15,384 Speaker 2: Murphy because he loves to blow the line between like 256 00:11:15,664 --> 00:11:18,344 Speaker 2: crime and Hollywood and reality and all these things. He 257 00:11:18,424 --> 00:11:20,864 Speaker 2: loves to cast a nepo baby like an Emma Roberts 258 00:11:20,984 --> 00:11:23,384 Speaker 2: or I guess she's a nepo niece in that way, 259 00:11:23,504 --> 00:11:26,624 Speaker 2: or someone who's really adjacent to fame, like a Kinkardashian 260 00:11:26,704 --> 00:11:30,944 Speaker 2: or something like that, or someone who American, yes, Lady 261 00:11:31,024 --> 00:11:33,544 Speaker 2: Daga like he loves to bring in like iconic actress 262 00:11:33,744 --> 00:11:36,344 Speaker 2: like Chloe seven Year, someone who's like very cool. And 263 00:11:36,464 --> 00:11:39,504 Speaker 2: so he's cast Elebaty enough, anyone's on across who Elabedy is. 264 00:11:39,584 --> 00:11:42,584 Speaker 2: She is the youngest child of Annette Benning and Warren Beatty, 265 00:11:42,904 --> 00:11:46,384 Speaker 2: who have one of the most famous relationships and marriages 266 00:11:46,424 --> 00:11:47,144 Speaker 2: in Hollywood. 267 00:11:47,504 --> 00:11:50,584 Speaker 3: Yes, so, I mean Warren Beatty is kind of one 268 00:11:50,624 --> 00:11:53,464 Speaker 3: of those people in my mind where I know he's 269 00:11:53,504 --> 00:11:54,504 Speaker 3: a big Hollywood star. 270 00:11:55,464 --> 00:11:56,704 Speaker 1: I was looking at his IMDBA. 271 00:11:56,864 --> 00:11:58,984 Speaker 3: It's not someone who's like I've seen a lot of 272 00:11:58,984 --> 00:12:01,624 Speaker 3: his movies because most of the movies that he made 273 00:12:01,664 --> 00:12:06,264 Speaker 3: were before my time. But obviously a very famous man 274 00:12:06,264 --> 00:12:09,744 Speaker 3: in Hollywood, writer, director, producer, He's been a real fixture. 275 00:12:09,904 --> 00:12:11,984 Speaker 2: He's in a late eighties now, so Yeah, he's in 276 00:12:12,104 --> 00:12:13,304 Speaker 2: the game for a long time. He was one of 277 00:12:13,344 --> 00:12:17,424 Speaker 2: those very like old school iconic Hollywood stars and at 278 00:12:17,424 --> 00:12:20,144 Speaker 2: Betting's obviously still acting quite a bit now and has 279 00:12:20,184 --> 00:12:22,544 Speaker 2: also been a lot of iconic movies. I guess even 280 00:12:22,544 --> 00:12:24,424 Speaker 2: like American Beauty people would know her from. But she's 281 00:12:24,424 --> 00:12:25,824 Speaker 2: done other stuff. That's just the one. I'm like, she 282 00:12:25,864 --> 00:12:28,584 Speaker 2: should have got that Oscar. So their story has become 283 00:12:28,664 --> 00:12:31,664 Speaker 2: very infamous in Hollywood, and it's almost become like a 284 00:12:31,704 --> 00:12:34,544 Speaker 2: shorthand for when a woman tames like a wild man. 285 00:12:34,584 --> 00:12:37,344 Speaker 2: If you ever hear anyone saying anyone say, oh, she 286 00:12:37,424 --> 00:12:39,664 Speaker 2: pulled in a net betting, or you have to say 287 00:12:39,704 --> 00:12:41,824 Speaker 2: one of your friends like, you probably shouldn't pull at 288 00:12:41,824 --> 00:12:44,424 Speaker 2: a net betting. It's this idea that a woman can 289 00:12:44,504 --> 00:12:47,264 Speaker 2: change a man, that she can tame his wild ways 290 00:12:47,304 --> 00:12:49,984 Speaker 2: simply by making him fall in love with her, as 291 00:12:49,984 --> 00:12:50,944 Speaker 2: Annette Betting did. 292 00:12:51,264 --> 00:12:53,784 Speaker 1: So he's like the original Leonardo DiCaprio. 293 00:12:54,024 --> 00:12:57,544 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well even more intense than that. So Warren 294 00:12:57,584 --> 00:13:01,264 Speaker 2: and Nan it's a big manhole. Yeah, it's so funny 295 00:13:01,264 --> 00:13:03,144 Speaker 2: because I've been looking up stuff about them after this 296 00:13:03,264 --> 00:13:06,384 Speaker 2: casting news, and so my TikTok algorithm ever has like 297 00:13:06,424 --> 00:13:08,264 Speaker 2: picked that up? And I heard one like girl at 298 00:13:08,264 --> 00:13:10,304 Speaker 2: A twenty say like, does everyone know that Warren Beatties 299 00:13:10,344 --> 00:13:11,784 Speaker 2: the biggest slut in Hollywood? And I was like, well, 300 00:13:11,784 --> 00:13:13,824 Speaker 2: that is one way to put it. So they got 301 00:13:13,824 --> 00:13:16,544 Speaker 2: married in nineteen ninety two. They have four children together. 302 00:13:16,904 --> 00:13:19,824 Speaker 2: They met when he was doing casting for this movie Bugsy, 303 00:13:19,864 --> 00:13:21,904 Speaker 2: and he called her up and brought her in for 304 00:13:22,024 --> 00:13:24,384 Speaker 2: lunch so they could talk about the movie and the 305 00:13:24,424 --> 00:13:27,384 Speaker 2: story he always yeah, well, apparently they did have lunch. 306 00:13:27,984 --> 00:13:29,984 Speaker 2: The story was that as soon as they left lunch, 307 00:13:29,984 --> 00:13:32,544 Speaker 2: he went back to his office, called his manager and said, 308 00:13:32,864 --> 00:13:35,064 Speaker 2: I'm going to marry this woman. I'm giving her the 309 00:13:35,144 --> 00:13:37,424 Speaker 2: lead in the movie, but I'm also going to marry her. 310 00:13:37,504 --> 00:13:38,904 Speaker 2: And he said that he fell in love with her 311 00:13:38,904 --> 00:13:39,944 Speaker 2: in like less than ten. 312 00:13:39,744 --> 00:13:40,784 Speaker 1: Minutes when we met. 313 00:13:41,384 --> 00:13:43,304 Speaker 2: This is in the early nineties, Okay, okay, in the 314 00:13:43,344 --> 00:13:45,944 Speaker 2: early nineties. Important to note that at the time he 315 00:13:46,024 --> 00:13:48,824 Speaker 2: was fifty three and she was thirty two. They'd been 316 00:13:48,824 --> 00:13:50,744 Speaker 2: married since nineteen ninety two, so they've had a very 317 00:13:50,744 --> 00:13:53,024 Speaker 2: strong marriage. But some people like, was he just tired? 318 00:13:53,424 --> 00:13:56,104 Speaker 2: Is that how you catch a man? Because Warren Batty 319 00:13:56,344 --> 00:13:59,984 Speaker 2: was known as the most infamous, kind of like boyfriend 320 00:14:00,344 --> 00:14:03,504 Speaker 2: lover of Hollywood. So he had a lot of famous girlfriends. 321 00:14:03,904 --> 00:14:06,224 Speaker 2: He dated Diane Keaton for many years. 322 00:14:06,224 --> 00:14:08,104 Speaker 1: Well I was gonna say, I did say that. 323 00:14:08,504 --> 00:14:10,384 Speaker 2: Well, the thing like them is they dated from I 324 00:14:10,424 --> 00:14:12,744 Speaker 2: think it was nineteen eighty one to nineteen eighty six, 325 00:14:12,944 --> 00:14:14,864 Speaker 2: so they were together for a while, but they also 326 00:14:14,944 --> 00:14:18,864 Speaker 2: remained very good friends throughout their lives. She did man, yeah, 327 00:14:18,904 --> 00:14:21,104 Speaker 2: she had again. Diane Keaton had it going on. She 328 00:14:21,144 --> 00:14:24,344 Speaker 2: could pull any man she wanted. He also dated Bridget Bardou, 329 00:14:24,504 --> 00:14:30,424 Speaker 2: Carlie Simon, Chare, Joan Collins, Madonna, She Barbara streisand like, 330 00:14:31,624 --> 00:14:33,064 Speaker 2: and they're just a lot of the girlfriends because they 331 00:14:33,104 --> 00:14:35,064 Speaker 2: were famous that we know about him. He dated a 332 00:14:35,104 --> 00:14:36,744 Speaker 2: lot of them. And it was always this thing of like, 333 00:14:36,784 --> 00:14:38,544 Speaker 2: who was Warren Batty going to come? I'm talking about 334 00:14:38,544 --> 00:14:40,224 Speaker 2: like I was there. I wasn't born yet, but I've 335 00:14:40,264 --> 00:14:43,544 Speaker 2: read a lot about it that it was always yeah, 336 00:14:43,704 --> 00:14:45,424 Speaker 2: part of my soul I just wasn't born yet, but 337 00:14:45,464 --> 00:14:47,344 Speaker 2: part of my soul was there at the time. It 338 00:14:47,384 --> 00:14:48,904 Speaker 2: was always this big thing of like, who was he 339 00:14:48,944 --> 00:14:51,224 Speaker 2: going to turn up to a red carpet with? Who 340 00:14:51,304 --> 00:14:53,504 Speaker 2: is his latest girlfriend? And the thing is, like the 341 00:14:53,544 --> 00:14:57,144 Speaker 2: story in Hollywood was like, no one can marry Warren Batty, 342 00:14:57,184 --> 00:14:59,384 Speaker 2: no one can nail him down, no one can sort 343 00:14:59,424 --> 00:15:02,664 Speaker 2: of capture him into a marriage. He's the ultimate bachelor. 344 00:15:02,864 --> 00:15:06,224 Speaker 1: He's a wild stud. Yeah, no one can put a 345 00:15:06,304 --> 00:15:07,264 Speaker 1: saddle on him. 346 00:15:07,784 --> 00:15:09,824 Speaker 2: Exactly. That was the thing. So there's even been the 347 00:15:09,864 --> 00:15:12,024 Speaker 2: story which he's ever said it's true. But he's also, 348 00:15:12,184 --> 00:15:15,064 Speaker 2: to my knowledge, never disputed it that he has slept 349 00:15:15,064 --> 00:15:18,424 Speaker 2: with over twelve thousand women. The biographer who wrote a 350 00:15:18,544 --> 00:15:21,144 Speaker 2: book about Warren Batty, he said that he went through 351 00:15:21,224 --> 00:15:24,144 Speaker 2: and calculated, like from when Warren Batty said he first 352 00:15:24,184 --> 00:15:26,504 Speaker 2: started dating till he was in his mid fifties and 353 00:15:26,544 --> 00:15:28,864 Speaker 2: he married and met betting how many women he sort 354 00:15:28,864 --> 00:15:31,424 Speaker 2: of estimated he hooked up with, and how many women 355 00:15:31,464 --> 00:15:33,344 Speaker 2: he was know and took go up with. And he 356 00:15:33,384 --> 00:15:36,824 Speaker 2: said it was actually closer to twelve thousand, seven hundred 357 00:15:36,824 --> 00:15:39,144 Speaker 2: and seventy five. So that is the amount of women 358 00:15:39,224 --> 00:15:40,824 Speaker 2: that Warren Batty is said to have slept with. 359 00:15:40,984 --> 00:15:43,624 Speaker 1: I don't want to slut shame him, but that's too many. 360 00:15:43,624 --> 00:15:46,024 Speaker 2: From him like being a lad about town. I'm sure 361 00:15:46,024 --> 00:15:48,464 Speaker 2: it was multiple women a week, sometimes even a different 362 00:15:48,464 --> 00:15:50,864 Speaker 2: woman every day. Iki, it was a different time too, 363 00:15:50,904 --> 00:15:52,664 Speaker 2: So no, I don't think anyone really said anything about 364 00:15:52,744 --> 00:15:54,944 Speaker 2: him being fifty three and her being thirty two, so 365 00:15:55,024 --> 00:15:57,664 Speaker 2: where that kind of seemed like the norm. But since 366 00:15:57,704 --> 00:16:00,304 Speaker 2: then they've had I mean, I don't know, there's never 367 00:16:00,344 --> 00:16:03,784 Speaker 2: been any kind of reports of like cheating or anything 368 00:16:03,824 --> 00:16:06,824 Speaker 2: in the marriage. Like it's like he was this notorious 369 00:16:06,864 --> 00:16:09,544 Speaker 2: Hollywood bad boy until the age of fifty three when 370 00:16:09,584 --> 00:16:12,664 Speaker 2: he walked into a restaurant saw Anette Betting, fell madly 371 00:16:12,704 --> 00:16:14,904 Speaker 2: in love with her and has been like by her 372 00:16:14,984 --> 00:16:18,184 Speaker 2: side ever since. What a man talks about the fact 373 00:16:18,184 --> 00:16:20,464 Speaker 2: that she changed his life and his life is so 374 00:16:20,544 --> 00:16:22,544 Speaker 2: much all these things that like when you're dating a 375 00:16:22,584 --> 00:16:24,824 Speaker 2: guy who you know won't commit that you want to 376 00:16:24,864 --> 00:16:27,304 Speaker 2: hear that you'll be the one to change him. He'll 377 00:16:27,384 --> 00:16:29,064 Speaker 2: change his ways for you. He just hadn't met the 378 00:16:29,144 --> 00:16:31,824 Speaker 2: right girl. Yes, all these things, and she's like things 379 00:16:31,864 --> 00:16:33,944 Speaker 2: I always tell my friends because weirdly and it, Betting 380 00:16:33,944 --> 00:16:36,264 Speaker 2: comes off in a lot in my friend's conversations in dating. 381 00:16:36,504 --> 00:16:39,144 Speaker 2: I'm always like, she's the exception, not the rule. I'm 382 00:16:39,184 --> 00:16:40,904 Speaker 2: not going to happen to Most people. 383 00:16:40,704 --> 00:16:42,424 Speaker 1: Don't look at this and go, this is what's going 384 00:16:42,504 --> 00:16:45,424 Speaker 1: to happen most of the time. They're not going to change. 385 00:16:45,664 --> 00:16:48,184 Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's very rare that someone would pull it 386 00:16:48,224 --> 00:16:50,704 Speaker 2: in at betting, as the saying goes, But yes, they're 387 00:16:50,704 --> 00:16:53,744 Speaker 2: still together and still very much in love, and Ella 388 00:16:53,864 --> 00:16:58,544 Speaker 2: is their youngest daughter. And the fact that yes, and 389 00:16:58,584 --> 00:17:00,984 Speaker 2: she's going to play Lizzie Borden is how we've got 390 00:17:01,024 --> 00:17:02,984 Speaker 2: to that. So I think everyone should have that in 391 00:17:03,024 --> 00:17:05,784 Speaker 2: mind when they're watching. And the thing is, apparently she 392 00:17:05,944 --> 00:17:07,784 Speaker 2: is going to be like the new hot young actual 393 00:17:07,984 --> 00:17:11,424 Speaker 2: of Hollywood. Like after she does Lizzie, there's a bunch 394 00:17:11,464 --> 00:17:14,064 Speaker 2: of other projects that she's apparently doing, so she's kind 395 00:17:14,104 --> 00:17:16,464 Speaker 2: of the next new actress nepo baby on the Riot, 396 00:17:16,624 --> 00:17:18,864 Speaker 2: And I just thought everyone needed to be a cross 397 00:17:18,904 --> 00:17:21,264 Speaker 2: where she came from. It's she literally came from. 398 00:17:21,344 --> 00:17:24,064 Speaker 3: Great story also in the cast, even though I know 399 00:17:24,064 --> 00:17:26,344 Speaker 3: we've found a big, sort of roundabout way to go 400 00:17:26,384 --> 00:17:27,904 Speaker 3: back to this, but I'm so glad that you told 401 00:17:27,944 --> 00:17:30,544 Speaker 3: that story because it's so great. But playing Andrew, the 402 00:17:30,544 --> 00:17:34,224 Speaker 3: one who Lizzie Boughten allegedly killed, is actually Charlie Hunham again, 403 00:17:34,784 --> 00:17:38,024 Speaker 3: So Charlie just played at guyne So he's coming back 404 00:17:38,064 --> 00:17:39,664 Speaker 3: to the series, but this time is the victim. 405 00:17:39,704 --> 00:17:42,184 Speaker 2: Not that well, as we know, Ryan Murphy loves to 406 00:17:42,224 --> 00:17:44,104 Speaker 2: have like his troop of actors like he did it 407 00:17:44,144 --> 00:17:46,544 Speaker 2: with American Horror Story, he did it with American Crime Story. 408 00:17:46,584 --> 00:17:48,464 Speaker 2: He loves to have his troop of actors that he've 409 00:17:48,464 --> 00:17:51,384 Speaker 2: recast into different roles. I like Charlie Hanum. I don't 410 00:17:51,424 --> 00:17:53,024 Speaker 2: know how many people his datas slept with. That makes 411 00:17:53,024 --> 00:17:55,064 Speaker 2: me less interested in him, but I'm sure he's fing 412 00:17:55,144 --> 00:17:55,744 Speaker 2: to be fine. 413 00:17:55,824 --> 00:17:57,744 Speaker 3: I think he slept with his fair share of women 414 00:17:57,784 --> 00:18:00,784 Speaker 3: as well. Maybe not twelve thousand. That seems like a 415 00:18:00,824 --> 00:18:03,944 Speaker 3: really high number to keep up with. Maybe Leo would 416 00:18:03,944 --> 00:18:06,664 Speaker 3: be up there, Yes, maybe I would say Leo's up there. 417 00:18:06,824 --> 00:18:08,144 Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't wait for that tell all. 418 00:18:08,224 --> 00:18:10,304 Speaker 3: So we don't have an air date yet. It is 419 00:18:10,384 --> 00:18:13,024 Speaker 3: in pre production at the moment. But super excited to 420 00:18:13,064 --> 00:18:15,104 Speaker 3: see this one come to fruition. 421 00:18:15,304 --> 00:18:17,744 Speaker 1: I'm yeah, really really excited. Bana Nana. 422 00:18:18,984 --> 00:18:21,464 Speaker 2: So this week, Kylie Jenner made everyone do a little 423 00:18:21,464 --> 00:18:23,824 Speaker 2: bit of a double take online when she teased that 424 00:18:23,904 --> 00:18:26,624 Speaker 2: she had a big announcement coming. That's pretty par for 425 00:18:26,664 --> 00:18:29,464 Speaker 2: the course with the Katashians, they always have something rolling out. 426 00:18:29,704 --> 00:18:31,384 Speaker 2: It was the fact that she told people that to 427 00:18:31,424 --> 00:18:33,664 Speaker 2: see the announcement they had to go to Snapchat. 428 00:18:34,104 --> 00:18:37,384 Speaker 3: This is insane, the fact that she's got so much 429 00:18:37,424 --> 00:18:41,104 Speaker 3: pool that she can take someone back to a social 430 00:18:41,104 --> 00:18:41,984 Speaker 3: media platform that. 431 00:18:41,944 --> 00:18:44,544 Speaker 1: Has basically mooched. Now that TikTok is around. 432 00:18:44,864 --> 00:18:48,424 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know some people still use Snapchat. I personally don't. 433 00:18:48,504 --> 00:18:50,944 Speaker 2: I need a youth see. And then a lot of 434 00:18:50,984 --> 00:18:52,784 Speaker 2: them have moved to TikTok and instance don't have it 435 00:18:52,824 --> 00:18:54,744 Speaker 2: as much. I don't think I ever had Snapchat. I 436 00:18:54,744 --> 00:18:56,824 Speaker 2: had to go download it for the first time to 437 00:18:56,944 --> 00:18:59,144 Speaker 2: watch this video. Even though I know that Kylie eventually 438 00:18:59,184 --> 00:19:01,624 Speaker 2: put on her Instagram. I wanted to watch it in 439 00:19:01,664 --> 00:19:04,384 Speaker 2: the spirit that she had intended, which was Snapchat, and 440 00:19:04,424 --> 00:19:07,144 Speaker 2: I produced. Someone thought I was doing it to Snapchat boys, 441 00:19:07,224 --> 00:19:08,784 Speaker 2: and I just don't know if that's the kind of 442 00:19:09,064 --> 00:19:10,224 Speaker 2: thing anyone should be doing. 443 00:19:10,424 --> 00:19:11,824 Speaker 1: I feel like the boys on there will be like 444 00:19:11,864 --> 00:19:13,064 Speaker 1: twelve yeah. 445 00:19:13,024 --> 00:19:15,064 Speaker 2: Which is upsetting it up. No. No, I know a 446 00:19:15,064 --> 00:19:16,944 Speaker 2: few of my friends who like met guys on dating 447 00:19:16,944 --> 00:19:19,104 Speaker 2: apps or and they'll be like, send me a Snapchat. 448 00:19:19,144 --> 00:19:20,744 Speaker 2: I'm like, that means he doesn't. It means he's going 449 00:19:20,784 --> 00:19:22,144 Speaker 2: to cheat on you, or he just wants nudes. 450 00:19:22,264 --> 00:19:25,184 Speaker 3: I I remember sat Chat when it first came out. 451 00:19:25,224 --> 00:19:27,824 Speaker 3: I used it very briefly because it was like the 452 00:19:27,904 --> 00:19:28,784 Speaker 3: disappearing thing. 453 00:19:28,984 --> 00:19:29,264 Speaker 2: Yeah. 454 00:19:30,384 --> 00:19:33,064 Speaker 1: Then I stopped using it, even when everyone was using it. 455 00:19:33,104 --> 00:19:35,504 Speaker 1: I just like couldn't. I was too many social media platforms. 456 00:19:35,504 --> 00:19:36,224 Speaker 1: I'm exhausted. 457 00:19:36,464 --> 00:19:36,704 Speaker 2: Yeah. 458 00:19:36,744 --> 00:19:36,824 Speaker 1: So. 459 00:19:37,064 --> 00:19:41,104 Speaker 2: Kylie Jenner herself also has gone off Snapchat in recent years, 460 00:19:41,224 --> 00:19:44,064 Speaker 2: using Instagram and TikTok more. But for a while there 461 00:19:44,144 --> 00:19:47,064 Speaker 2: it was her platform of choice, and it was kind 462 00:19:47,104 --> 00:19:50,584 Speaker 2: of during the height of this like new level of 463 00:19:50,624 --> 00:19:53,704 Speaker 2: fame that she found for herself in the mid twenty tens, 464 00:19:54,024 --> 00:19:57,664 Speaker 2: when she broke away from the Kardashian Jenna family in 465 00:19:57,704 --> 00:19:59,224 Speaker 2: a way, or at least in the way that they 466 00:19:59,264 --> 00:20:02,224 Speaker 2: all looked and operated start their fame. Yeah, exactly, the 467 00:20:02,224 --> 00:20:03,984 Speaker 2: way they all dressed, the way they all did their makeup, 468 00:20:04,024 --> 00:20:06,784 Speaker 2: the way that they all had this very set plan 469 00:20:06,904 --> 00:20:09,784 Speaker 2: of how they did launchers and how they did products. Kylie, 470 00:20:09,784 --> 00:20:13,544 Speaker 2: being the youngest the family, broke away and started posting 471 00:20:13,584 --> 00:20:17,344 Speaker 2: more to different platforms, particularly Snapchat, and she went by 472 00:20:17,384 --> 00:20:20,424 Speaker 2: the name King Kylie, which a lot of people said 473 00:20:20,824 --> 00:20:23,264 Speaker 2: was inspired by her then boyfriend Tiger. 474 00:20:23,984 --> 00:20:26,664 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think that this particular era is right 475 00:20:26,824 --> 00:20:29,024 Speaker 3: for her, and in terms of her being a bit 476 00:20:29,064 --> 00:20:31,144 Speaker 3: of like the black shape of the family. I mean, 477 00:20:31,224 --> 00:20:32,824 Speaker 3: Rob's the black shape of the family, but out of 478 00:20:32,824 --> 00:20:35,864 Speaker 3: the girls, she was always a little bit more alternatives. 479 00:20:36,104 --> 00:20:38,264 Speaker 3: This is the era of the dip dyed blue hair. 480 00:20:38,384 --> 00:20:40,744 Speaker 3: This is the era of the wigs, the heavy makeup, 481 00:20:40,824 --> 00:20:44,224 Speaker 3: the lip liner. This is black leather and you know, 482 00:20:44,424 --> 00:20:47,904 Speaker 3: tight and a bit more sort of punk rocker kind of. 483 00:20:48,344 --> 00:20:48,704 Speaker 1: Yeah. 484 00:20:48,824 --> 00:20:50,864 Speaker 2: It was at the time when the Kudashing girls and 485 00:20:50,904 --> 00:20:53,064 Speaker 2: even like Kendall Jenner to an extent, were doing more 486 00:20:53,104 --> 00:20:56,504 Speaker 2: of the kind of like almost like princessy bandage dress, 487 00:20:56,744 --> 00:21:00,384 Speaker 2: really high glam look. And then Kylie Jenner, who had 488 00:21:00,424 --> 00:21:02,264 Speaker 2: always been kind of like seen as like, I guess, 489 00:21:02,264 --> 00:21:04,304 Speaker 2: the less pretty one of the sisters. Yeah, like she 490 00:21:04,384 --> 00:21:06,184 Speaker 2: and Chloe used to get a lot of backlash and 491 00:21:06,224 --> 00:21:09,704 Speaker 2: people saying like Kendall's this beautiful model and Kylie's non 492 00:21:09,744 --> 00:21:11,344 Speaker 2: It was like kind of like a really nasty time. 493 00:21:11,384 --> 00:21:12,904 Speaker 2: I mean, it still has a nasty time on the internet, 494 00:21:12,904 --> 00:21:15,424 Speaker 2: but it was then and then Kylie kind of went 495 00:21:15,584 --> 00:21:18,944 Speaker 2: sideways and she started posting a lot on different platforms 496 00:21:18,984 --> 00:21:21,664 Speaker 2: like Snapchat, and she called herself King Kylie, and her 497 00:21:21,664 --> 00:21:23,744 Speaker 2: fans also called her that she would wear a lot 498 00:21:23,784 --> 00:21:26,504 Speaker 2: of like wigs, so like pink or platinum blonde, and 499 00:21:26,544 --> 00:21:29,144 Speaker 2: then the teal was like a really big thing. So 500 00:21:29,184 --> 00:21:31,504 Speaker 2: when she had the full teal hair or just the 501 00:21:31,624 --> 00:21:34,784 Speaker 2: teal streaks through her hair, which is captured in a 502 00:21:34,864 --> 00:21:37,544 Speaker 2: very important moment on Keeping Up with the Kardashians when 503 00:21:37,784 --> 00:21:39,744 Speaker 2: Kim married Kanye and Florence. I don't know if you 504 00:21:39,784 --> 00:21:42,064 Speaker 2: remember that episode, but it was a whole thing one 505 00:21:42,064 --> 00:21:44,624 Speaker 2: because they didn't allow their keeping up cameras there, so 506 00:21:44,664 --> 00:21:47,704 Speaker 2: it's all just filmed on the family's iPhones. But the 507 00:21:47,784 --> 00:21:50,464 Speaker 2: moment they're like about to fly to I think it's Paris. 508 00:21:50,504 --> 00:21:52,464 Speaker 2: For the first part of the wedding festivities before they 509 00:21:52,504 --> 00:21:55,184 Speaker 2: went to Italy, Kim and Kanye pulled Kylie aside and 510 00:21:55,224 --> 00:21:57,064 Speaker 2: they're like, are you're going to do something to her hair? 511 00:21:57,104 --> 00:22:00,544 Speaker 2: Because their whole wedding was like beige and white. There 512 00:22:00,624 --> 00:22:02,664 Speaker 2: was no color. It's like it was. Kim's dress was 513 00:22:02,704 --> 00:22:05,624 Speaker 2: like white, the bridesmaid's dresses were white, the flowers are white, 514 00:22:05,704 --> 00:22:08,424 Speaker 2: the table's white, and then Kylie's got blue hair teal, 515 00:22:08,504 --> 00:22:10,624 Speaker 2: but Kim called it blue and she was like, oh yeah, 516 00:22:10,664 --> 00:22:12,824 Speaker 2: one hundred percent. I've got pair extensions and I've got 517 00:22:12,824 --> 00:22:14,944 Speaker 2: color spray and I'm going to cover it up. Don't worry. 518 00:22:15,024 --> 00:22:16,904 Speaker 2: And on the day of the wedding, when they'd surprise 519 00:22:17,024 --> 00:22:19,704 Speaker 2: Flaw and everyone to Florence for the wedding, Kim does 520 00:22:19,704 --> 00:22:22,064 Speaker 2: this piece to camera where she sees Kylie come in 521 00:22:22,064 --> 00:22:24,544 Speaker 2: in her white bride's maid's dress and it's like, she 522 00:22:24,544 --> 00:22:26,184 Speaker 2: has blue hair at my wedding. I'm not going to 523 00:22:26,224 --> 00:22:28,584 Speaker 2: say anything, but like is so angry. But that was 524 00:22:28,624 --> 00:22:30,264 Speaker 2: like just very Kylie at the time. 525 00:22:30,424 --> 00:22:34,424 Speaker 3: This particular period of Kylie's really ingrained in my brain 526 00:22:34,504 --> 00:22:37,224 Speaker 3: because it's the year I started at E and so 527 00:22:37,704 --> 00:22:41,624 Speaker 3: obviously keeping up Acushions was E's biggest, biggest show at 528 00:22:41,624 --> 00:22:44,744 Speaker 3: the time, So I was very very aware and this 529 00:22:44,824 --> 00:22:47,744 Speaker 3: is just so ingrained in my brain as that period 530 00:22:47,744 --> 00:22:51,424 Speaker 3: of time and the Kylie Cosmetics launch, you know, in 531 00:22:51,424 --> 00:22:54,384 Speaker 3: twenty fifteen, her lip kits, that was again such a 532 00:22:54,504 --> 00:22:57,704 Speaker 3: moment and you know, she just started Kylie Cosmetics just 533 00:22:57,784 --> 00:23:01,264 Speaker 3: with these lip kits, which was sold out within minutes. 534 00:23:01,864 --> 00:23:05,304 Speaker 3: It's been now over a decade of this brand, and 535 00:23:05,424 --> 00:23:09,144 Speaker 3: I think obviously this particular campaign was a hark back 536 00:23:09,264 --> 00:23:12,224 Speaker 3: to her roots, and I appreciate that, and I think 537 00:23:12,264 --> 00:23:15,544 Speaker 3: that the nostalgia of it is great. However, the video 538 00:23:15,584 --> 00:23:17,504 Speaker 3: has caused a little bit of backlash. 539 00:23:17,664 --> 00:23:19,824 Speaker 2: Yeah, so the whole thing about putting the video up 540 00:23:19,904 --> 00:23:22,744 Speaker 2: is it was like a throwback to this King Kylie era, 541 00:23:23,224 --> 00:23:24,984 Speaker 2: where again she got a lot of fame for the 542 00:23:24,984 --> 00:23:27,224 Speaker 2: way she looked in her wigs, as you're saying, particularly 543 00:23:27,264 --> 00:23:30,344 Speaker 2: for doing these makeup tutorials that were just different to 544 00:23:30,384 --> 00:23:32,024 Speaker 2: what the cut Ashians were doing at the time because 545 00:23:32,024 --> 00:23:34,904 Speaker 2: she would film them herself. They were very uncurated. She'd 546 00:23:34,944 --> 00:23:36,624 Speaker 2: have her friends in the background and she'd show all 547 00:23:36,624 --> 00:23:40,144 Speaker 2: her makeup tips. And that's obviously how the lipliner kits 548 00:23:40,184 --> 00:23:43,144 Speaker 2: came to be so wildly successful and how Kylie Cosmetics 549 00:23:43,184 --> 00:23:45,384 Speaker 2: was built. Obviously, she did come out later and say 550 00:23:45,384 --> 00:23:48,024 Speaker 2: she'd get lip filler, which she at the time was 551 00:23:48,104 --> 00:23:51,384 Speaker 2: very staunchly saying, I've never had lip filler. It's just slipliner, 552 00:23:51,464 --> 00:23:53,824 Speaker 2: which is why people bought the lips. But you know, yeah, 553 00:23:54,064 --> 00:23:55,024 Speaker 2: just the way that. 554 00:23:55,344 --> 00:23:59,704 Speaker 3: Really intense Matt Beige is I remember buying it and 555 00:23:59,784 --> 00:24:01,904 Speaker 3: putting it on and be like this is so it 556 00:24:01,944 --> 00:24:04,504 Speaker 3: looked awful on me, like I didn't have enough plumpness 557 00:24:04,504 --> 00:24:06,224 Speaker 3: in my lips. It just like cracked when in all 558 00:24:06,224 --> 00:24:07,344 Speaker 3: the cracks of my lips, and. 559 00:24:07,384 --> 00:24:09,344 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was not look cute on me. And the 560 00:24:09,384 --> 00:24:11,424 Speaker 2: amount that she would withdraw them too, Like I guess 561 00:24:11,424 --> 00:24:12,944 Speaker 2: she can kind of make it work. It's kind of 562 00:24:12,944 --> 00:24:14,624 Speaker 2: thing looks good in a photo or video, but if 563 00:24:14,624 --> 00:24:17,184 Speaker 2: you see anyone walking in the real world with their 564 00:24:17,224 --> 00:24:19,504 Speaker 2: lips drawn up to like their nose, it doesn't work. 565 00:24:19,504 --> 00:24:21,224 Speaker 2: But I mean she does no makeup. She's really good 566 00:24:21,224 --> 00:24:23,784 Speaker 2: and she knows how to build a product and build 567 00:24:23,784 --> 00:24:26,904 Speaker 2: an audience. Because when she posted that this thing was 568 00:24:26,904 --> 00:24:29,624 Speaker 2: gonna have on Snapchat and that the King Kylie era 569 00:24:29,864 --> 00:24:32,864 Speaker 2: was back, like her fan base was going absolutely nuts 570 00:24:32,904 --> 00:24:36,424 Speaker 2: for it. And she also posted this old image that 571 00:24:36,424 --> 00:24:38,704 Speaker 2: she'd put up on her socials from years ago saying 572 00:24:38,744 --> 00:24:41,424 Speaker 2: like what do you want Kylie Cosmetics to make? And 573 00:24:41,464 --> 00:24:44,624 Speaker 2: then a lot of the products are taken from fans suggestions. 574 00:24:44,664 --> 00:24:47,184 Speaker 2: So this whole thing of her wanting to celebrate this 575 00:24:47,344 --> 00:24:50,664 Speaker 2: ten years of Kylie Cosmetics is her being like, I'm 576 00:24:50,664 --> 00:24:52,184 Speaker 2: going back to my roots and I'm going back to 577 00:24:52,184 --> 00:24:54,024 Speaker 2: the fans. Yeah, all that sort of thing. So then 578 00:24:54,024 --> 00:24:56,624 Speaker 2: we have the video. Yeah, and the video is it 579 00:24:56,824 --> 00:24:59,264 Speaker 2: is a very old school King Kylie in terms of 580 00:24:59,264 --> 00:25:01,464 Speaker 2: that she's got the tear in her hair, but it's 581 00:25:01,504 --> 00:25:04,664 Speaker 2: also brand new Kylie Jenna in fact that she's styled 582 00:25:04,984 --> 00:25:08,024 Speaker 2: to look like an old school Hollywood movie star in 583 00:25:08,064 --> 00:25:09,664 Speaker 2: a way with the hair and the makeup. 584 00:25:09,864 --> 00:25:11,944 Speaker 3: Yeah, I appreciate what she's trying to do with it. 585 00:25:11,984 --> 00:25:14,664 Speaker 3: I think the backlash of the video comes from the 586 00:25:14,704 --> 00:25:18,424 Speaker 3: content of what she's actually doing and some of the images. 587 00:25:18,824 --> 00:25:21,464 Speaker 3: So in a lot of the images, she's wearing like 588 00:25:21,704 --> 00:25:25,824 Speaker 3: black leather bra panties like pants, she's you know, it's 589 00:25:25,944 --> 00:25:27,664 Speaker 3: very sort of sexy dominatrixy. 590 00:25:28,104 --> 00:25:32,144 Speaker 1: And she's handcuffed. Yes, And so then she gets walked. 591 00:25:31,864 --> 00:25:34,744 Speaker 3: Through a prison in the video, and then Chris Janna 592 00:25:34,784 --> 00:25:37,624 Speaker 3: picks her up in a Rolls Royce and they go. 593 00:25:37,784 --> 00:25:39,064 Speaker 2: Into the King Kylie number. 594 00:25:39,264 --> 00:25:40,224 Speaker 1: They go off into the sunset. 595 00:25:40,424 --> 00:25:42,824 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very kind of like tongue in cheek and funny. 596 00:25:42,864 --> 00:25:44,904 Speaker 2: So this whole thing, she's been arrested, she's in a prison, 597 00:25:44,984 --> 00:25:48,544 Speaker 2: she's in the interrogation room again looking like a dominatrix. 598 00:25:48,624 --> 00:25:51,024 Speaker 2: Bondage kind of thing, but with the old school king 599 00:25:51,104 --> 00:25:54,184 Speaker 2: Kylie hair, and these two men are interrogating her and 600 00:25:54,264 --> 00:25:56,184 Speaker 2: kind of almost like listing her achievements. 601 00:25:59,064 --> 00:26:02,864 Speaker 4: So after all this time, you still don't have an alibi. 602 00:26:03,104 --> 00:26:04,264 Speaker 1: You understand how that looks? 603 00:26:04,344 --> 00:26:07,384 Speaker 4: Right, I'm gonna be frank with you. Although he's Frank, 604 00:26:07,424 --> 00:26:11,584 Speaker 4: don't get confused. I'm Frank Frank. There's really no way 605 00:26:11,824 --> 00:26:14,744 Speaker 4: hold of this for you got you on multiple counts 606 00:26:14,744 --> 00:26:19,824 Speaker 4: and being the baddest bitch on earth slaying twenty four 607 00:26:19,824 --> 00:26:22,984 Speaker 4: to seven. It's been an all round impressive young one. Yeah, 608 00:26:23,144 --> 00:26:27,024 Speaker 4: not to mention, you completely flipped the entire cosmetics industry on. 609 00:26:27,104 --> 00:26:27,864 Speaker 1: It's flipped it. 610 00:26:28,304 --> 00:26:31,904 Speaker 4: Got anything to say for yourself? Any last glossy words 611 00:26:31,904 --> 00:26:39,544 Speaker 4: of wisdom mailips her seals this is like so long 612 00:26:39,624 --> 00:26:45,504 Speaker 4: grand for her, I love you, okay, very unprofessional. 613 00:26:54,464 --> 00:26:56,544 Speaker 2: And then yeah, then they're seemed to be like handcuffing 614 00:26:56,544 --> 00:26:58,464 Speaker 2: her and leading her away, and there's this whole thing 615 00:26:58,464 --> 00:27:00,024 Speaker 2: where then you see her walking out in the other 616 00:27:00,064 --> 00:27:01,944 Speaker 2: prisoners are like, oh my god, she's leaving, and she 617 00:27:01,984 --> 00:27:03,784 Speaker 2: gets in the car, and in the car is like 618 00:27:03,824 --> 00:27:06,984 Speaker 2: the Kylie Cosmetics ten year annivers Thary like pictures and 619 00:27:07,024 --> 00:27:09,264 Speaker 2: she's putting the lip floss on, so if you watch 620 00:27:09,264 --> 00:27:11,824 Speaker 2: it through that lens, it's kind of like quite innocent 621 00:27:11,864 --> 00:27:14,264 Speaker 2: and kind of showing her as this like power player like. 622 00:27:14,304 --> 00:27:17,264 Speaker 2: And also she runs the business with her mum, Chris Jenma, 623 00:27:17,384 --> 00:27:19,824 Speaker 2: Like they're in the Kylie Cosmetics office working together, so 624 00:27:19,824 --> 00:27:21,984 Speaker 2: it's this whole thing of her mum being the getaway 625 00:27:22,024 --> 00:27:25,144 Speaker 2: car driver. Some fans have pointed out that they think 626 00:27:25,144 --> 00:27:27,424 Speaker 2: it's a little bit tone deaf to be showing this 627 00:27:27,584 --> 00:27:31,384 Speaker 2: like young white woman essentially like being in police custody, 628 00:27:31,544 --> 00:27:34,144 Speaker 2: being handcuffed and then being able to just escape and 629 00:27:34,224 --> 00:27:36,504 Speaker 2: kind of treating it as a very kind of like 630 00:27:36,584 --> 00:27:38,904 Speaker 2: sexy fun thing when they're saying, like in the US 631 00:27:38,904 --> 00:27:41,024 Speaker 2: at the moment, like there's a lot of issues with 632 00:27:41,184 --> 00:27:43,504 Speaker 2: like prison reform and how prisoners are treated. There's a 633 00:27:43,544 --> 00:27:45,824 Speaker 2: lot of issues at the moment which have always been 634 00:27:45,824 --> 00:27:48,344 Speaker 2: there but have really escalated at the moment with Donald 635 00:27:48,384 --> 00:27:50,944 Speaker 2: Trump being the president in terms of like people who 636 00:27:50,984 --> 00:27:53,784 Speaker 2: are seen as being illegal in America being arrested off 637 00:27:53,784 --> 00:27:56,544 Speaker 2: the streets by ice and filled into these detention centers 638 00:27:56,824 --> 00:27:59,304 Speaker 2: and not having any rides. And they think that Kylie 639 00:27:59,384 --> 00:28:00,944 Speaker 2: is kind of just not reading the room. 640 00:28:01,144 --> 00:28:04,624 Speaker 3: I think this kind of political climate that we're wearing 641 00:28:04,744 --> 00:28:07,584 Speaker 3: at the moment, particularly in the States, the political climate 642 00:28:07,664 --> 00:28:10,184 Speaker 3: is very fraud at the moment. Everybody is on ed 643 00:28:10,904 --> 00:28:14,864 Speaker 3: and these ice raids that are happening, and people sort 644 00:28:14,864 --> 00:28:17,704 Speaker 3: of alleging that this is happening to innocent people, and 645 00:28:17,944 --> 00:28:20,904 Speaker 3: the problems there. I think that this should have probably 646 00:28:20,944 --> 00:28:24,944 Speaker 3: been taken into account when she filmed this, and unfortunately, 647 00:28:25,024 --> 00:28:29,944 Speaker 3: because she is so incredibly famous and incredibly successful and 648 00:28:30,304 --> 00:28:33,744 Speaker 3: so so privileged, it does feel a little bit tone deaf. 649 00:28:33,824 --> 00:28:36,384 Speaker 3: I'm sure she did not intend to do that at all. 650 00:28:36,504 --> 00:28:39,064 Speaker 3: I do believe she wasn't trying to do that, but 651 00:28:39,384 --> 00:28:41,584 Speaker 3: I do think someone on her team probably should have said, 652 00:28:41,624 --> 00:28:44,344 Speaker 3: maybe we can rework the creative a bit. It's kind 653 00:28:44,384 --> 00:28:47,304 Speaker 3: of reminding me of the Kendall Jenna pepsi ad. 654 00:28:47,664 --> 00:28:49,064 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I guess that's the thing when you have 655 00:28:49,144 --> 00:28:51,664 Speaker 2: like these really high profile especially young women, kind of 656 00:28:51,664 --> 00:28:53,584 Speaker 2: put these things out into the world that are meant 657 00:28:53,624 --> 00:28:55,504 Speaker 2: to be like a bit sexy and a bit provocative, 658 00:28:55,944 --> 00:28:57,824 Speaker 2: it can be looked at through a different lens that 659 00:28:57,824 --> 00:29:01,344 Speaker 2: I'm sure them and their bubble didn't think of Again, 660 00:29:01,384 --> 00:29:03,184 Speaker 2: I'm not defending it from people who are upset by it, 661 00:29:03,224 --> 00:29:04,504 Speaker 2: because I think the thing is, I think if you're 662 00:29:04,544 --> 00:29:06,944 Speaker 2: upset by it, it's not because you're upset by Kylie 663 00:29:07,024 --> 00:29:09,144 Speaker 2: Jenna or the video. It makes me think of the 664 00:29:09,144 --> 00:29:12,464 Speaker 2: Sydney Sweeney jeans a like, people weren't upset about Sidney 665 00:29:12,464 --> 00:29:15,504 Speaker 2: Sweeney and jeans. They were upset about the wider issues 666 00:29:15,544 --> 00:29:17,904 Speaker 2: that were happening, yes, and how this linked to that. 667 00:29:17,984 --> 00:29:20,344 Speaker 2: And if you're living in that really heightened state where 668 00:29:20,344 --> 00:29:23,264 Speaker 2: you're like fearing for your life and family, then pop 669 00:29:23,304 --> 00:29:26,704 Speaker 2: culture references will hit you a lot harder because it's 670 00:29:26,744 --> 00:29:29,104 Speaker 2: part of your world. Whereas you know, someone like a 671 00:29:29,144 --> 00:29:31,344 Speaker 2: Sidney Sweeney or Kylie Jenner, I'm sure this isn't the 672 00:29:31,384 --> 00:29:33,344 Speaker 2: kind of thing they're living within their day to day life, 673 00:29:33,384 --> 00:29:35,784 Speaker 2: so they don't think it's a big deal, but I 674 00:29:35,824 --> 00:29:38,064 Speaker 2: understand why other people do. But yeah, it is like 675 00:29:38,064 --> 00:29:41,384 Speaker 2: the Pepsi commercials. So when Kendall Jenner started in that commercial, 676 00:29:41,504 --> 00:29:44,504 Speaker 2: it was almost like her being tapped to be one 677 00:29:44,544 --> 00:29:47,784 Speaker 2: of these iconic supermodels because other supermodels had done these 678 00:29:47,824 --> 00:29:49,824 Speaker 2: Pepsi commercials like Cidie Crawford. 679 00:29:49,464 --> 00:29:53,864 Speaker 3: Samous Pepsi you know, in those little damn shorts and 680 00:29:53,864 --> 00:29:57,184 Speaker 3: her white tank top. Pepsi was so iconic in that 681 00:29:57,264 --> 00:30:01,944 Speaker 3: era for creating superstars. You know, we've got Britney Spears 682 00:30:01,944 --> 00:30:04,744 Speaker 3: did Pepsi, beyond sy did Pepsi, and it feeds off it. 683 00:30:05,264 --> 00:30:07,384 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that's kind of the thread that 684 00:30:07,424 --> 00:30:09,824 Speaker 2: people are looking at there. And I don't think this 685 00:30:09,864 --> 00:30:12,344 Speaker 2: is going to get the same attention as Kendall Jenner's 686 00:30:12,384 --> 00:30:15,144 Speaker 2: Pepsi commercial. Did That came at a time too when 687 00:30:15,144 --> 00:30:17,344 Speaker 2: I mean, it's still happening, but like a lot of riots, 688 00:30:17,384 --> 00:30:20,704 Speaker 2: a lot of police brutality and allegations of brutality, a 689 00:30:20,744 --> 00:30:22,904 Speaker 2: lot of people saying that they didn't feel safe around 690 00:30:22,904 --> 00:30:24,744 Speaker 2: police or in the streets and all these kind of things, 691 00:30:24,784 --> 00:30:26,864 Speaker 2: and then the idea was that to see a white 692 00:30:26,864 --> 00:30:30,024 Speaker 2: woman just essentially end a riot and walk safely towards 693 00:30:30,144 --> 00:30:33,464 Speaker 2: police was kind of making light of the situation. And 694 00:30:33,504 --> 00:30:35,664 Speaker 2: obviously later on we saw Kendall Jenner, like, you know, 695 00:30:35,744 --> 00:30:38,104 Speaker 2: sobbing on keeping of the Kadashian saying she never meant 696 00:30:38,104 --> 00:30:39,104 Speaker 2: to hurt anyone. 697 00:30:39,304 --> 00:30:40,344 Speaker 1: And wasn't her idea. 698 00:30:40,664 --> 00:30:45,104 Speaker 3: She's not the one who created the campaign idea, I know. 699 00:30:45,104 --> 00:30:46,544 Speaker 2: But it is like, when you're the face of it, 700 00:30:46,584 --> 00:30:48,224 Speaker 2: you do take that. I mean, that's what the money 701 00:30:48,264 --> 00:30:48,464 Speaker 2: is for. 702 00:30:48,544 --> 00:30:50,144 Speaker 1: But that's exactly right, That's what I mean. 703 00:30:50,224 --> 00:30:52,944 Speaker 3: Like, Unfortunately, the creative team who came up with it 704 00:30:52,984 --> 00:30:55,064 Speaker 3: and hired her, she wouldn't have had any input on 705 00:30:55,104 --> 00:30:57,184 Speaker 3: the creative at that point she was still relatively new. 706 00:30:57,424 --> 00:30:59,944 Speaker 1: Yeah, but there should have been some. 707 00:31:00,144 --> 00:31:01,624 Speaker 2: Yeah, So I don't think this is going to block 708 00:31:01,704 --> 00:31:03,424 Speaker 2: to the same extent, but I just think that's the 709 00:31:03,544 --> 00:31:06,504 Speaker 2: same idea of something on one hand can be seen 710 00:31:06,504 --> 00:31:09,344 Speaker 2: as like really provocative and interesting. And also the whole 711 00:31:09,384 --> 00:31:12,664 Speaker 2: like jay less thing is an old thing through pop culture, 712 00:31:12,664 --> 00:31:15,064 Speaker 2: going back to like the whole kind of Bonnie and Clyde, 713 00:31:15,104 --> 00:31:18,304 Speaker 2: like on the run kind of thing of this, yeah, 714 00:31:18,344 --> 00:31:21,344 Speaker 2: that prison escape. And also the fact that they're reading 715 00:31:21,344 --> 00:31:23,984 Speaker 2: out all of these things that Kylie's done, and when 716 00:31:23,984 --> 00:31:25,944 Speaker 2: she sort of says like, my lips are sealed, they're like, 717 00:31:25,944 --> 00:31:28,304 Speaker 2: it's so her, and that's a nod to like her 718 00:31:28,344 --> 00:31:30,344 Speaker 2: makeup brand and the product my lips are sealed, all 719 00:31:30,344 --> 00:31:32,384 Speaker 2: those kind of things. So like, if you look at 720 00:31:32,384 --> 00:31:34,664 Speaker 2: it through that lens, it's very understandable. But yeah, anyone 721 00:31:34,704 --> 00:31:36,624 Speaker 2: who was upset by that. I just think that that's 722 00:31:36,664 --> 00:31:39,664 Speaker 2: also fair enough, but it hasn't stopped them video from 723 00:31:39,784 --> 00:31:43,424 Speaker 2: racking up millions of views on Snapchat, on Instagram pre 724 00:31:43,584 --> 00:31:46,184 Speaker 2: orders for the collection because it's celebrating the ten years 725 00:31:46,224 --> 00:31:48,744 Speaker 2: have like allegedly gone wild and I'm sure this will 726 00:31:48,784 --> 00:31:50,944 Speaker 2: be like a huge money maker for her, and I 727 00:31:50,984 --> 00:31:52,304 Speaker 2: think a lot of her fans want her to go 728 00:31:52,424 --> 00:31:54,704 Speaker 2: fully back into the King Kylie era, but she's so 729 00:31:54,744 --> 00:31:56,544 Speaker 2: removed from that now. She's going to the Oscars in 730 00:31:56,544 --> 00:31:59,384 Speaker 2: like kutua gowns and being a mum of two and 731 00:31:59,424 --> 00:32:01,704 Speaker 2: being behind the scenes. And it's kind of so funny 732 00:32:01,704 --> 00:32:04,064 Speaker 2: because in the Snapchat video at one point, like she 733 00:32:04,064 --> 00:32:06,104 Speaker 2: seems into it, because I'm sure she was very invested 734 00:32:06,144 --> 00:32:08,704 Speaker 2: in the idea, but she also just looks like she's 735 00:32:08,824 --> 00:32:11,384 Speaker 2: just phoning it in, which is also very Kylie Jennathy 736 00:32:11,464 --> 00:32:13,344 Speaker 2: and how she appears on the Kardashians. 737 00:32:13,344 --> 00:32:15,784 Speaker 3: Well, well, Kiglie Cosmetics has kind of gone through a 738 00:32:15,824 --> 00:32:17,144 Speaker 3: bit of a rebrand recently. 739 00:32:17,344 --> 00:32:18,504 Speaker 1: I think it was twenty twenty two. 740 00:32:18,544 --> 00:32:20,624 Speaker 3: They went through a rebrand back in twenty nineteen where 741 00:32:20,624 --> 00:32:23,784 Speaker 3: she sold abortion of the company became a billionaire. So look, 742 00:32:23,784 --> 00:32:26,544 Speaker 3: the brand's gone through a lot of different changes lately, 743 00:32:26,624 --> 00:32:28,464 Speaker 3: and I understand why she wanted to do this. 744 00:32:28,504 --> 00:32:29,704 Speaker 1: I think it's a great idea. 745 00:32:29,744 --> 00:32:32,864 Speaker 3: I just think that perhaps in light of the political climate, 746 00:32:32,944 --> 00:32:35,624 Speaker 3: it was maybe just a little bit off there. But again, 747 00:32:35,704 --> 00:32:37,864 Speaker 3: I don't think it's going to stop her getting those sales. 748 00:32:37,904 --> 00:32:40,064 Speaker 3: She's clearly doing very well for herself. 749 00:32:40,304 --> 00:32:42,144 Speaker 2: And I'm sure we'll see some of this in the 750 00:32:42,144 --> 00:32:44,224 Speaker 2: next season of The Kardashians, but they do things very late, 751 00:32:44,264 --> 00:32:46,344 Speaker 2: so I'm just going to say, like maybe three years time, 752 00:32:46,824 --> 00:32:49,584 Speaker 2: we'll see the making of this commercial and she'll maybe 753 00:32:49,624 --> 00:32:51,104 Speaker 2: do a little address to the backlash. Then. 754 00:32:51,384 --> 00:32:53,784 Speaker 3: Thanks so much for listening to The Spill today. And 755 00:32:53,944 --> 00:32:56,224 Speaker 3: have you guys checked out our YouTube yet. 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