1 00:00:11,464 --> 00:00:16,024 Speaker 1: You're listening to a Mamma Mia podcast. Mamma Mia acknowledges 2 00:00:16,144 --> 00:00:19,624 Speaker 1: the traditional owners of land and borders that this podcast 3 00:00:19,704 --> 00:00:20,544 Speaker 1: is recorded on. 4 00:00:25,264 --> 00:00:28,024 Speaker 2: From Mamma Mia. Welcome to the Spill your daily pop 5 00:00:28,024 --> 00:00:30,224 Speaker 2: culture fix. I'm em Vernon. 6 00:00:29,944 --> 00:00:31,544 Speaker 1: And I'm Laura Brodney Cairpy. 7 00:00:31,624 --> 00:00:32,104 Speaker 2: Monday. 8 00:00:32,304 --> 00:00:34,224 Speaker 1: Well that's way too much Monday energy. 9 00:00:34,264 --> 00:00:37,344 Speaker 2: Oh sorry, I'll just go on with it. On the 10 00:00:37,384 --> 00:00:40,064 Speaker 2: show today, we are talking about Sirsha Ronan and how 11 00:00:40,104 --> 00:00:43,024 Speaker 2: she completely silenced a couch full of celebrities. On The 12 00:00:43,024 --> 00:00:46,184 Speaker 2: Graham Norton Show. We are also talking about Chapel Roan 13 00:00:46,304 --> 00:00:48,224 Speaker 2: and a photographer the sequels. 14 00:00:48,584 --> 00:00:52,824 Speaker 1: Yes, but first, but first, if you look like Timothy 15 00:00:52,864 --> 00:00:55,144 Speaker 1: Chalomay and you were in New York over the weekend, 16 00:00:55,264 --> 00:00:59,384 Speaker 1: you were in an excellent position because it's great to 17 00:00:59,424 --> 00:01:02,304 Speaker 1: be you. It's a niche offering. But you know, for 18 00:01:02,344 --> 00:01:05,904 Speaker 1: some people it worked out because a Timothy Chalomey looklike 19 00:01:05,944 --> 00:01:09,384 Speaker 1: competition was held in Manhattan, So there was a lot 20 00:01:09,424 --> 00:01:11,224 Speaker 1: of build up to the event. It's done by like 21 00:01:11,224 --> 00:01:13,664 Speaker 1: a YouTube personality who does a lot of different things 22 00:01:13,704 --> 00:01:15,744 Speaker 1: like this, but this one really took off. There were 23 00:01:15,824 --> 00:01:19,784 Speaker 1: flyers all over Manhattan and it was online saying come 24 00:01:19,864 --> 00:01:23,184 Speaker 1: dressed as Timothy Chalomey and the winner gets fifty dollars. 25 00:01:23,784 --> 00:01:25,424 Speaker 1: Don't spend that in one place. 26 00:01:25,984 --> 00:01:28,784 Speaker 2: It'll be fifty usd though, which is like one hundred. 27 00:01:28,864 --> 00:01:32,664 Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe don't use that currency conversion on your trips. 28 00:01:32,944 --> 00:01:35,864 Speaker 1: So they had a stage setup. It was all very fancy, 29 00:01:35,904 --> 00:01:39,744 Speaker 1: and then the men who were participating in the Timothy 30 00:01:39,784 --> 00:01:42,264 Speaker 1: Challamey looked like competition had to get up on stage 31 00:01:42,304 --> 00:01:45,384 Speaker 1: and also act like Timothy Shallowey. So they were asked 32 00:01:45,464 --> 00:01:48,944 Speaker 1: questions about their relationship with Kylie John, which I would 33 00:01:48,984 --> 00:01:51,464 Speaker 1: have loved to hear. They were also asked to demonstrate 34 00:01:51,504 --> 00:01:54,344 Speaker 1: that they were proficient in French because he's fluent in French, 35 00:01:54,784 --> 00:01:56,824 Speaker 1: and they also asked what they do to make the 36 00:01:56,864 --> 00:01:59,864 Speaker 1: world a better place. So when the judging finished, a 37 00:01:59,904 --> 00:02:03,144 Speaker 1: young man called Miles Mitchell, who was dressed as Willy Wonka, 38 00:02:03,344 --> 00:02:05,864 Speaker 1: was announced as the winner, and then he started tossing 39 00:02:05,904 --> 00:02:08,624 Speaker 1: candy from a briefcase he was carrying into the crowd. 40 00:02:08,704 --> 00:02:11,144 Speaker 2: So came as Timothy Challo may as a character. 41 00:02:11,464 --> 00:02:13,864 Speaker 1: Yes, as yeah, there were lots of people dresses his 42 00:02:13,944 --> 00:02:16,704 Speaker 1: Dune character and dresses his really wont a character. But 43 00:02:16,784 --> 00:02:20,624 Speaker 1: then if you looked out into the audience, someone wore 44 00:02:20,624 --> 00:02:23,784 Speaker 1: a striking resemblance to Timothy shallow May, and that was 45 00:02:23,824 --> 00:02:28,064 Speaker 1: Timote Schallomi himself, who turned up. The real guy turned 46 00:02:28,104 --> 00:02:29,464 Speaker 1: up at the lookike competition. 47 00:02:29,904 --> 00:02:32,744 Speaker 2: I saw videos and photos of this, and I was 48 00:02:32,784 --> 00:02:34,784 Speaker 2: like wondering, like, what is everyone doing crowding around this guy? 49 00:02:34,824 --> 00:02:36,864 Speaker 2: He looks nothing like Timothy. And then I was like, wait, 50 00:02:36,904 --> 00:02:39,424 Speaker 2: that's actually Timothy. Yeah, he's the one who looks like 51 00:02:39,464 --> 00:02:40,704 Speaker 2: the least like himself. 52 00:02:40,904 --> 00:02:42,984 Speaker 1: Yeah, so he was there. He obviously walked in with 53 00:02:43,064 --> 00:02:44,984 Speaker 1: bodyguards and everyone knew it was him. But it was 54 00:02:45,024 --> 00:02:47,664 Speaker 1: a very funny thing for him to do. I feel like, 55 00:02:47,744 --> 00:02:50,704 Speaker 1: silly but funny, exactly the kind of energy I think 56 00:02:50,704 --> 00:02:53,344 Speaker 1: he's always trying to put out there. And weirdly, he 57 00:02:53,384 --> 00:02:55,784 Speaker 1: looked the least like Timothy Schallomey because he's got like 58 00:02:55,824 --> 00:02:57,344 Speaker 1: a bit of a beard thing going on, which he 59 00:02:57,384 --> 00:03:00,744 Speaker 1: normally does. He looked more adult, He looked less like 60 00:03:00,784 --> 00:03:04,504 Speaker 1: a man child Jenn's been rubbing off. Yeah, maybe because 61 00:03:04,544 --> 00:03:06,624 Speaker 1: they've been seen on some hot and heavy dates. I 62 00:03:06,664 --> 00:03:09,784 Speaker 1: do believe this is a timeline. Before he arrived, police 63 00:03:09,784 --> 00:03:13,144 Speaker 1: were called to break up the Timothy Challomeye look like competition. 64 00:03:13,464 --> 00:03:15,104 Speaker 2: Were they getting aggressive of the Timothy's. 65 00:03:15,144 --> 00:03:17,504 Speaker 1: The Timothy's once they were together, their energy, their Willy 66 00:03:17,544 --> 00:03:19,944 Speaker 1: won't ger energy was too much. No, it was too 67 00:03:19,944 --> 00:03:22,184 Speaker 1: many people. Because hundreds and hundreds of people came. They 68 00:03:22,184 --> 00:03:24,464 Speaker 1: obviously didn't have a permit or anything like that. So 69 00:03:24,544 --> 00:03:26,464 Speaker 1: the organizers were fined, I think it was around five 70 00:03:26,584 --> 00:03:29,904 Speaker 1: hundred dollars were fine for setting up a stage and 71 00:03:29,944 --> 00:03:32,784 Speaker 1: having an unauthorized gathering, and the police were trying to 72 00:03:32,824 --> 00:03:35,624 Speaker 1: disperse the Timothy's, but the Timothy's would not be dispersed, 73 00:03:35,864 --> 00:03:37,904 Speaker 1: and apparently they got so rowdy that one of them 74 00:03:37,984 --> 00:03:41,144 Speaker 1: was led away in handcuffs. Oh my god, I just 75 00:03:41,144 --> 00:03:43,904 Speaker 1: pitching a little Willy Wonko in his purple souping dragged 76 00:03:43,904 --> 00:03:46,824 Speaker 1: away by the police as the real Timothy Chalomey arrived 77 00:03:46,864 --> 00:03:47,944 Speaker 1: in his limousine. 78 00:03:48,184 --> 00:03:50,424 Speaker 2: You know what, I kind of believe this because I 79 00:03:50,424 --> 00:03:52,824 Speaker 2: feel like if a man tried hard enough, he could 80 00:03:52,824 --> 00:03:55,064 Speaker 2: look like Timothy. So I feel like you need if 81 00:03:55,064 --> 00:03:56,664 Speaker 2: you're going to do events like this and you don't 82 00:03:56,704 --> 00:03:58,064 Speaker 2: want it to get out of control, you need to 83 00:03:58,064 --> 00:04:00,584 Speaker 2: like niche down. I would say, maybe like a Henry 84 00:04:00,584 --> 00:04:01,344 Speaker 2: Cavill next time. 85 00:04:01,424 --> 00:04:05,064 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean I and I fly to New 86 00:04:05,104 --> 00:04:05,784 Speaker 1: York for that meter. 87 00:04:05,784 --> 00:04:10,504 Speaker 2: I was just putting a thought out there, breaking news. 88 00:04:10,704 --> 00:04:14,344 Speaker 2: Sir Sharonan completely shut down the Graham Norton Show. Did 89 00:04:14,384 --> 00:04:15,104 Speaker 2: you hear about this? 90 00:04:15,184 --> 00:04:16,664 Speaker 1: I certainly did, But tell me more. 91 00:04:16,744 --> 00:04:19,744 Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna break it down. So Graham Norton, I 92 00:04:19,784 --> 00:04:22,584 Speaker 2: think this episode went live end of last week on 93 00:04:22,624 --> 00:04:26,104 Speaker 2: the weekend. If you've seen it, he'll have like multiple celebrities. 94 00:04:26,144 --> 00:04:27,544 Speaker 2: It's not like a one on one into me. 95 00:04:27,664 --> 00:04:29,824 Speaker 1: Yeah. This is why these clips is everyone's favorite to 96 00:04:29,864 --> 00:04:32,464 Speaker 1: watch over and over again because they're so comfiying because 97 00:04:32,464 --> 00:04:34,384 Speaker 1: you have all these celebrities who would like weirdly thrill 98 00:04:34,464 --> 00:04:36,624 Speaker 1: to always be sitting together and so you get some 99 00:04:36,664 --> 00:04:37,544 Speaker 1: weird energy off them. 100 00:04:37,584 --> 00:04:39,544 Speaker 2: And he's also talked in the past on how he 101 00:04:39,824 --> 00:04:42,224 Speaker 2: really likes having big A listes on the couch because 102 00:04:42,224 --> 00:04:44,264 Speaker 2: they always try to one up each other with stories 103 00:04:44,264 --> 00:04:46,624 Speaker 2: and I'm like that it's actually quite interesting. So on 104 00:04:46,704 --> 00:04:51,344 Speaker 2: this couch was Sir Sharonan, Denzel Washington, Paul Meskal, and 105 00:04:51,504 --> 00:04:54,664 Speaker 2: Eddie Redmond, and they were just kind of like promoting 106 00:04:54,664 --> 00:04:57,664 Speaker 2: stuff they have on Like Denzel and Paul obviously Gladiator too, 107 00:04:57,784 --> 00:05:02,664 Speaker 2: which we are going to see this week. Unless he's 108 00:05:02,704 --> 00:05:04,864 Speaker 2: been shamed out of it, I think he's given some 109 00:05:04,904 --> 00:05:07,464 Speaker 2: people the ac after this time. True. So they were 110 00:05:07,504 --> 00:05:10,624 Speaker 2: talking about like strategies on how to protect themselves, talking 111 00:05:10,624 --> 00:05:12,784 Speaker 2: about like working out and stuff, and Eddie said that 112 00:05:12,824 --> 00:05:15,944 Speaker 2: Paul taught them that if someone attacks you, you can 113 00:05:15,984 --> 00:05:18,904 Speaker 2: take your phone and like jab it into their throat 114 00:05:19,624 --> 00:05:21,544 Speaker 2: as a way to like kind of protect yourself, Like 115 00:05:21,584 --> 00:05:24,144 Speaker 2: I don't think everyone has like weapons on themselves. 116 00:05:24,264 --> 00:05:26,104 Speaker 1: Well not everyone has a key, which is what normal 117 00:05:26,144 --> 00:05:28,704 Speaker 1: people use. Maybe your phone is the thing in your hands, the. 118 00:05:28,784 --> 00:05:30,984 Speaker 2: Thing that I think is like most commonly in everyone's hand. 119 00:05:31,384 --> 00:05:33,664 Speaker 2: And then Paul jokingly said, yeah, after I said that, 120 00:05:33,704 --> 00:05:35,424 Speaker 2: I thought about it, and it's not like if someone's 121 00:05:35,424 --> 00:05:36,664 Speaker 2: going to attack me, I'm going to take out my 122 00:05:36,664 --> 00:05:39,424 Speaker 2: friend and be like like hit people with it. And 123 00:05:39,504 --> 00:05:41,784 Speaker 2: they were kind of laughing at like how absurd it 124 00:05:41,864 --> 00:05:45,464 Speaker 2: is to have a phone. So you see Eddie Graham 125 00:05:45,504 --> 00:05:48,944 Speaker 2: and Paul laughing about this. Denzel Washington's kind of just 126 00:05:48,984 --> 00:05:52,704 Speaker 2: like looking like in the straight face between them, and 127 00:05:52,744 --> 00:05:54,864 Speaker 2: if you look at Sercha, she's trying to get a 128 00:05:54,904 --> 00:05:56,984 Speaker 2: word in and they're kind of like talking on top 129 00:05:57,024 --> 00:05:59,664 Speaker 2: of her until it went a bit silent, and then 130 00:05:59,704 --> 00:06:03,184 Speaker 2: she said, that's something girls have to think about all 131 00:06:03,264 --> 00:06:06,824 Speaker 2: the time. Yeah, And for like a split second, it 132 00:06:06,944 --> 00:06:10,664 Speaker 2: goes completely silence as the men try to process what's happened. 133 00:06:10,744 --> 00:06:12,824 Speaker 2: But you can tell the audience straightaway gets it, because 134 00:06:12,824 --> 00:06:15,544 Speaker 2: I'm sure that's what everyone was thinking about. And she said, 135 00:06:15,544 --> 00:06:17,984 Speaker 2: am I right, ladies, And she got like an applause 136 00:06:17,984 --> 00:06:20,744 Speaker 2: from the audience, and I wanted to break down, like 137 00:06:20,864 --> 00:06:23,664 Speaker 2: every man on the couches react to, please do. So 138 00:06:24,264 --> 00:06:26,184 Speaker 2: we have Paul mescal because he's the one, I think 139 00:06:26,224 --> 00:06:28,304 Speaker 2: who was leading the joke on, like it's such a 140 00:06:28,304 --> 00:06:31,304 Speaker 2: silly idea to like attack someone with your phone, so 141 00:06:31,344 --> 00:06:36,264 Speaker 2: he immediately just went yep. He immediately just went that's true. 142 00:06:36,344 --> 00:06:36,544 Speaker 1: Yeah. 143 00:06:36,864 --> 00:06:40,064 Speaker 2: And then you have Eddie who was like, oh yeah, 144 00:06:40,104 --> 00:06:42,344 Speaker 2: and like was looking down. And then you have Grayham 145 00:06:42,384 --> 00:06:44,384 Speaker 2: and if you listen really closely, the minute she says 146 00:06:44,464 --> 00:06:46,184 Speaker 2: that's something girls I have to think about all the time, 147 00:06:46,224 --> 00:06:51,224 Speaker 2: he goes no, a silent noe. And then you have 148 00:06:51,344 --> 00:06:56,384 Speaker 2: my favorite, Denzel Washington, who was silent this whole time, 149 00:06:56,464 --> 00:07:00,544 Speaker 2: like not reacting, just like looking at her, like gleaming 150 00:07:00,744 --> 00:07:03,384 Speaker 2: looking at all the men as if like, yep, she 151 00:07:03,464 --> 00:07:05,384 Speaker 2: put you in the place. Yeah, got in the place. 152 00:07:05,504 --> 00:07:08,984 Speaker 2: It was so good, but such a telling moment. And 153 00:07:09,024 --> 00:07:11,184 Speaker 2: it's one of those times where I watched the whole 154 00:07:11,224 --> 00:07:14,064 Speaker 2: episode and it's like, look like great friends catching up, 155 00:07:14,384 --> 00:07:16,904 Speaker 2: and then she says that, and then you realize, oh 156 00:07:16,944 --> 00:07:18,544 Speaker 2: my god, she's the only woman on that couch. 157 00:07:18,704 --> 00:07:20,984 Speaker 1: Yeah. Some of the things Paul taught us is how 158 00:07:20,984 --> 00:07:24,024 Speaker 1: you can use how you can use your phone if 159 00:07:24,024 --> 00:07:25,744 Speaker 1: someone's attacking you the butt of your phone. 160 00:07:26,304 --> 00:07:28,064 Speaker 2: Who's actually going to think about that, tho if someone 161 00:07:28,104 --> 00:07:34,064 Speaker 2: attacked me, I'm not going to get phone. 162 00:07:37,664 --> 00:07:40,944 Speaker 1: That's a very good point, Like girls have to think 163 00:07:40,944 --> 00:07:44,264 Speaker 1: of it all the time, am I right? Ladies? 164 00:07:44,824 --> 00:07:46,024 Speaker 2: And she's the one who called that out. 165 00:07:46,104 --> 00:07:48,504 Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. And you know they are all friends, especially 166 00:07:48,504 --> 00:07:50,984 Speaker 1: because Paul and Ssha had done a movie together before 167 00:07:51,304 --> 00:07:55,144 Speaker 1: and so have been pictured on red carpets together, and 168 00:07:55,184 --> 00:07:57,424 Speaker 1: I feel like Denzel's a friend to all, so. 169 00:07:57,984 --> 00:08:00,304 Speaker 2: Their mentor it's just like watching these kids. 170 00:08:00,664 --> 00:08:03,104 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah exactly. And why I think that moment 171 00:08:03,144 --> 00:08:04,784 Speaker 1: stuck out is not just because of what she said, 172 00:08:04,824 --> 00:08:07,104 Speaker 1: but I think it's because, like you know, obviously, no 173 00:08:07,224 --> 00:08:09,224 Speaker 1: harm meant by the men who were making that joke, 174 00:08:09,264 --> 00:08:11,304 Speaker 1: and they were also making a job about themselves in 175 00:08:11,384 --> 00:08:14,024 Speaker 1: terms of like we wouldn't be able to defend ourselves 176 00:08:14,064 --> 00:08:16,824 Speaker 1: with the phone. We'd be ridiculous and kind of painting 177 00:08:16,864 --> 00:08:19,144 Speaker 1: themselves as he's like, oh, we don't know what's going on, 178 00:08:19,384 --> 00:08:21,504 Speaker 1: kind of like that baby girl attitude of like I'm 179 00:08:21,504 --> 00:08:23,144 Speaker 1: just a girl and pour my s girl's body out 180 00:08:23,144 --> 00:08:26,144 Speaker 1: in the world. Especially Paul, because he's so like beloved 181 00:08:26,264 --> 00:08:29,064 Speaker 1: to an overwhelming amount that I think he gets embarrassed 182 00:08:29,104 --> 00:08:31,184 Speaker 1: by it that he's so used to everyone just kind 183 00:08:31,224 --> 00:08:32,944 Speaker 1: of like eating up what he says and loving what 184 00:08:32,984 --> 00:08:35,344 Speaker 1: he says and thinking he's so adorable, and in that 185 00:08:35,384 --> 00:08:38,504 Speaker 1: moment having the audience kind of like laugh and cheer 186 00:08:38,624 --> 00:08:41,184 Speaker 1: at someone presenting a counterpoint, even though it was done 187 00:08:41,224 --> 00:08:42,584 Speaker 1: in the light way. You just like you can just 188 00:08:42,584 --> 00:08:44,144 Speaker 1: see his eyes be like this has never happened to 189 00:08:44,184 --> 00:08:44,664 Speaker 1: me before. 190 00:08:44,744 --> 00:08:48,864 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I am so like happy is the wrong word, 191 00:08:48,944 --> 00:08:51,184 Speaker 2: but I was really nervous when this clip went viral, 192 00:08:51,824 --> 00:08:54,864 Speaker 2: just because like Paul is so beloved, Like I honestly 193 00:08:54,864 --> 00:08:57,344 Speaker 2: thought it would be like all the comments would be like, oh, 194 00:08:57,424 --> 00:08:59,984 Speaker 2: they were just joking like kind of a woman had 195 00:09:00,024 --> 00:09:03,104 Speaker 2: to ruin it, but nothing like that, Like everyone's like 196 00:09:03,224 --> 00:09:05,664 Speaker 2: thank god, she said, like I'm so proud she said that, 197 00:09:05,744 --> 00:09:08,704 Speaker 2: like yes, finally calling it out, like congrats to like 198 00:09:08,704 --> 00:09:11,264 Speaker 2: Sasha for calling this out and taking that space up. 199 00:09:11,824 --> 00:09:13,824 Speaker 2: A few comments were like, oh, this first time, poor 200 00:09:13,864 --> 00:09:14,984 Speaker 2: Mescal's given me the eck. 201 00:09:15,264 --> 00:09:17,744 Speaker 1: Yeah. I think it was more it's the ick light. 202 00:09:17,944 --> 00:09:20,304 Speaker 2: It's the eck light. All the men on the couch 203 00:09:20,464 --> 00:09:22,824 Speaker 2: like fully got it, like not one of them was 204 00:09:22,864 --> 00:09:26,424 Speaker 2: like like rolling his eyes or yeah. I think we 205 00:09:26,544 --> 00:09:30,784 Speaker 2: rarely see like men take something and realize they haven't 206 00:09:30,824 --> 00:09:34,904 Speaker 2: considered something. And watching that visually was just so pleasing 207 00:09:34,984 --> 00:09:35,184 Speaker 2: to me. 208 00:09:35,424 --> 00:09:37,624 Speaker 1: And what's like sombering in that whole thing too, is 209 00:09:37,664 --> 00:09:40,904 Speaker 1: like Sirho is like her wife is so removed from ours. 210 00:09:40,944 --> 00:09:43,544 Speaker 1: You know, she's so famous, she's so rich, she's been 211 00:09:43,584 --> 00:09:46,104 Speaker 1: famous since she was a kid, and she still is 212 00:09:46,144 --> 00:09:47,904 Speaker 1: thinking in head and all the time is she's out, 213 00:09:47,944 --> 00:09:50,384 Speaker 1: Like do I have a weabon walking alone? Better in 214 00:09:50,424 --> 00:09:52,464 Speaker 1: some case because she would have bodyguards and stuff, but 215 00:09:52,504 --> 00:09:54,824 Speaker 1: also she'd be such a target for people because of 216 00:09:54,864 --> 00:09:57,184 Speaker 1: who she is. But I just thought like, oh god, 217 00:09:57,184 --> 00:09:59,064 Speaker 1: that's like an awful thought, isn't it that? Like here 218 00:09:59,064 --> 00:10:01,064 Speaker 1: in Australia and in the US and where she lives 219 00:10:01,064 --> 00:10:03,344 Speaker 1: and stuff. It's like that same thought always in the 220 00:10:03,384 --> 00:10:04,784 Speaker 1: back of your mind of like what can I do 221 00:10:04,824 --> 00:10:07,104 Speaker 1: to defend myself when I'm out in the world. But 222 00:10:07,184 --> 00:10:10,944 Speaker 1: I'm glad she caught it out. I love her so 223 00:10:11,184 --> 00:10:16,104 Speaker 1: Over the weekend, my close personal friend Olivia Rodrigo, how 224 00:10:16,184 --> 00:10:17,264 Speaker 1: much longer can I milk that? 225 00:10:17,544 --> 00:10:19,624 Speaker 2: You can milk it for as long as you lie even. 226 00:10:19,624 --> 00:10:22,304 Speaker 1: Put the photo on my Instagram. I'm the most embarrassing 227 00:10:22,344 --> 00:10:23,104 Speaker 1: thing I've ever done. 228 00:10:23,104 --> 00:10:25,024 Speaker 2: Why did I say that? No? Did you see it? 229 00:10:25,104 --> 00:10:27,304 Speaker 1: Don't know? Because you hate my captions. Don't go read 230 00:10:27,344 --> 00:10:31,744 Speaker 1: it anyway. So Olivia held the premiere for her Guts 231 00:10:31,784 --> 00:10:34,344 Speaker 1: World Tour documentary, which if you didn't get to see 232 00:10:34,344 --> 00:10:36,304 Speaker 1: her show, was like you know, filming of the concerts 233 00:10:36,344 --> 00:10:39,464 Speaker 1: coming to Netflix tomorrow the twenty ninth October. So that's exciting. 234 00:10:39,984 --> 00:10:42,304 Speaker 1: And Chapel Roane, who we know is a close friend 235 00:10:42,344 --> 00:10:45,824 Speaker 1: of hers. They've both given interviews about supporting each other 236 00:10:45,904 --> 00:10:48,064 Speaker 1: through like their rises to fame and being friends behind 237 00:10:48,064 --> 00:10:48,424 Speaker 1: the station. 238 00:10:49,064 --> 00:10:51,344 Speaker 2: She's come on one of her shows and performed with her. 239 00:10:51,504 --> 00:10:53,584 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, they performed together and also like had 240 00:10:53,584 --> 00:10:55,984 Speaker 1: each other's backs as they have this world of fame. 241 00:10:56,064 --> 00:10:58,384 Speaker 1: So we love that. So Chapel was there, she was 242 00:10:58,424 --> 00:11:02,624 Speaker 1: taking photos on the purple carpet and then just to 243 00:11:02,624 --> 00:11:04,064 Speaker 1: paint a picture of what happened. So she's staying there, 244 00:11:04,064 --> 00:11:07,224 Speaker 1: she's taking photos. She's looking amazing, obviously, and she's smiling 245 00:11:07,224 --> 00:11:09,944 Speaker 1: and looking around. All of a sudden, her eyes catch 246 00:11:09,984 --> 00:11:13,104 Speaker 1: a man in the photography pit and she zeros in 247 00:11:13,184 --> 00:11:18,144 Speaker 1: on him with like reptor laser focus, walks towards him 248 00:11:18,344 --> 00:11:21,584 Speaker 1: and starts saying, you yelled at me at the Grammys. 249 00:11:21,864 --> 00:11:25,424 Speaker 1: You were so disrespectful to me. Yes, you were. You 250 00:11:25,504 --> 00:11:27,824 Speaker 1: yelled at me. I remember, you were so rude to 251 00:11:27,864 --> 00:11:29,864 Speaker 1: me and I deserve an apology for that, and you 252 00:11:29,944 --> 00:11:33,304 Speaker 1: need to apologize to me. So in the videos I've seen, 253 00:11:33,344 --> 00:11:35,584 Speaker 1: this was shot from a few different angles. You can't 254 00:11:35,624 --> 00:11:38,384 Speaker 1: exactly see who the photographer is, and it sounds like 255 00:11:38,424 --> 00:11:41,304 Speaker 1: he's being quite silent through it. And at one stage 256 00:11:41,304 --> 00:11:43,304 Speaker 1: he says no, and she's like, yes, yes, you need 257 00:11:43,344 --> 00:11:45,584 Speaker 1: to apologize to me. And this goes on for a 258 00:11:45,584 --> 00:11:47,944 Speaker 1: while and she's like she's walked over and she's like 259 00:11:47,984 --> 00:11:50,424 Speaker 1: standing right up kind of near where he is in 260 00:11:50,424 --> 00:11:53,744 Speaker 1: the photography pit, having this conversation, and it seems like 261 00:11:53,824 --> 00:11:56,384 Speaker 1: he's not backing down over what happened at the Grammys. 262 00:11:56,584 --> 00:11:58,744 Speaker 1: And then her minder, because you have a minder who 263 00:11:58,784 --> 00:11:59,744 Speaker 1: takes you down the red carpet. 264 00:11:59,744 --> 00:12:00,464 Speaker 2: And what's a minder. 265 00:12:00,904 --> 00:12:03,184 Speaker 1: It's someone from the like either from your team, well, 266 00:12:03,184 --> 00:12:05,224 Speaker 1: but usually from the events team, who walks you down 267 00:12:05,264 --> 00:12:06,904 Speaker 1: the red carpet. So they're the one who walks along 268 00:12:06,944 --> 00:12:08,824 Speaker 1: and tells people like, oh, Chap's about to come, or 269 00:12:08,864 --> 00:12:11,064 Speaker 1: you can have her for an interview, and they so 270 00:12:11,064 --> 00:12:12,744 Speaker 1: they just look after you, They make sure you move along, 271 00:12:12,864 --> 00:12:15,424 Speaker 1: comes over and like takes her arm and like moves 272 00:12:15,504 --> 00:12:17,784 Speaker 1: her away. A lot of people are thinking it was 273 00:12:17,824 --> 00:12:21,064 Speaker 1: the same photographer that she had a previous altercation with, 274 00:12:21,224 --> 00:12:22,664 Speaker 1: but it's actually a different photographer. 275 00:12:23,184 --> 00:12:25,904 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, and not the one that we previously talked about, 276 00:12:25,984 --> 00:12:26,584 Speaker 2: well not as. 277 00:12:26,504 --> 00:12:28,624 Speaker 1: Far as we can tell, because that run in that 278 00:12:28,704 --> 00:12:31,744 Speaker 1: we were talking about happened to the MTV Video Music Award. 279 00:12:31,824 --> 00:12:34,464 Speaker 1: Oh when she said Grammys, yes, so whatever happened she 280 00:12:34,504 --> 00:12:37,624 Speaker 1: said Grammy's party. So this is a different photographer from 281 00:12:37,624 --> 00:12:39,664 Speaker 1: what I can tell. In a different incident that she's 282 00:12:39,744 --> 00:12:42,224 Speaker 1: talking about, where she was saying, you were so rude 283 00:12:42,264 --> 00:12:44,504 Speaker 1: to me at the Grammys party. And what happened at 284 00:12:44,544 --> 00:12:47,104 Speaker 1: the MTV Video Music Awards, as we talked about, was 285 00:12:47,104 --> 00:12:49,264 Speaker 1: that she was on the red carpet having her photo taken. 286 00:12:49,824 --> 00:12:51,664 Speaker 1: We didn't know at the time, but now it looks 287 00:12:51,744 --> 00:12:54,824 Speaker 1: like the photographer might have said to her, shut the fuck. 288 00:12:54,664 --> 00:12:56,544 Speaker 2: Up, yeah, and she was like, no, you shut the 289 00:12:56,584 --> 00:12:57,544 Speaker 2: fuck up, yeah, which I. 290 00:12:57,624 --> 00:12:59,944 Speaker 1: Weren't really hard defending that photographer at the time, but 291 00:13:00,024 --> 00:13:01,744 Speaker 1: I did say, like, we don't know what he said, 292 00:13:01,944 --> 00:13:03,704 Speaker 1: but obviously if he said that, then she was like, 293 00:13:03,784 --> 00:13:06,664 Speaker 1: well within her rights to shout back, shut the fuck up. 294 00:13:06,704 --> 00:13:08,504 Speaker 1: And you know, hopefully he was removed from the car. 295 00:13:08,584 --> 00:13:10,064 Speaker 1: But if he didn't say anything and she was just 296 00:13:10,144 --> 00:13:12,544 Speaker 1: yell at him, that's a bit of a kind of 297 00:13:12,624 --> 00:13:15,064 Speaker 1: abusive power. But either way, this is a different photographer, 298 00:13:15,104 --> 00:13:16,624 Speaker 1: and we don't know what happened at the Grammys, but 299 00:13:16,704 --> 00:13:19,984 Speaker 1: it seemed to really she was like have been holding 300 00:13:20,024 --> 00:13:21,744 Speaker 1: onto that for a long time, to the point where 301 00:13:21,744 --> 00:13:24,824 Speaker 1: you were like, at someone else's premiere, You've got cameras 302 00:13:24,864 --> 00:13:27,584 Speaker 1: all over, everyone's screaming her name because they love her 303 00:13:28,024 --> 00:13:30,464 Speaker 1: to then decide like I'm gonna take this moment to 304 00:13:30,504 --> 00:13:32,424 Speaker 1: go and confront this man, Like it must have been 305 00:13:32,464 --> 00:13:33,344 Speaker 1: something quite intense. 306 00:13:33,504 --> 00:13:35,584 Speaker 2: It looked like she rehearsed it as well, because the 307 00:13:35,664 --> 00:13:38,584 Speaker 2: words coming out of her were really strong and emotional, 308 00:13:39,024 --> 00:13:41,904 Speaker 2: but her demeanor was quite calm, like she was nodding 309 00:13:42,104 --> 00:13:44,984 Speaker 2: and like the way she like looked because I watched 310 00:13:44,984 --> 00:13:46,704 Speaker 2: a few videos one way you could hear and one 311 00:13:46,744 --> 00:13:48,904 Speaker 2: way you couldn't hear her, and the one way you 312 00:13:48,984 --> 00:13:50,984 Speaker 2: couldn't hear her, it doesn't even look like she's telling 313 00:13:51,024 --> 00:13:54,544 Speaker 2: someone off. Yeah, So I'm like, oh, I wonder it 314 00:13:54,664 --> 00:13:58,584 Speaker 2: looked like that she genuinely just wanted an apology for 315 00:13:58,704 --> 00:14:02,104 Speaker 2: being treated badly. But I really wish we knew what 316 00:14:02,184 --> 00:14:04,224 Speaker 2: happened at the Grammys well exactly. 317 00:14:04,344 --> 00:14:06,464 Speaker 1: And I don't think she really gave any interviews after that, 318 00:14:06,544 --> 00:14:08,984 Speaker 1: But she has, you know, talked about the other confrontation 319 00:14:09,104 --> 00:14:11,824 Speaker 1: of the MTV Awards, and it's the whole thing that 320 00:14:11,864 --> 00:14:14,184 Speaker 1: she's been talking about since she's shot up to a 321 00:14:14,264 --> 00:14:17,184 Speaker 1: different level of fame. Is that to this idea of 322 00:14:17,264 --> 00:14:19,784 Speaker 1: people like having this ownership of her, either yelling at her, 323 00:14:19,904 --> 00:14:23,384 Speaker 1: grabbing her, making her feel unsafe both at work events 324 00:14:23,504 --> 00:14:25,504 Speaker 1: and you know, when she's just out in her normal life. 325 00:14:25,904 --> 00:14:28,144 Speaker 1: And I think that her tolerance level, she just doesn't 326 00:14:28,184 --> 00:14:30,464 Speaker 1: have one at all for this sort of behavior. And 327 00:14:31,064 --> 00:14:33,584 Speaker 1: it's because normally, when we see this kind of behavior 328 00:14:33,624 --> 00:14:36,664 Speaker 1: from celebrities, it's after a very long time of like 329 00:14:36,744 --> 00:14:39,544 Speaker 1: we've seen them like be attacked by paparazzi and stuff. 330 00:14:39,544 --> 00:14:41,824 Speaker 1: So it's almost like in our head, like the public 331 00:14:41,904 --> 00:14:44,264 Speaker 1: have a scorecard where they're just like, we have to 332 00:14:44,344 --> 00:14:47,784 Speaker 1: go through this much, you know, backlash, abuse, dangerous situations, 333 00:14:47,824 --> 00:14:50,944 Speaker 1: and then will kind of approve you having a pushback. 334 00:14:51,024 --> 00:14:54,104 Speaker 1: But because so many people like have only really really 335 00:14:54,144 --> 00:14:55,824 Speaker 1: got into her music this year, Like I know she's 336 00:14:55,824 --> 00:14:57,744 Speaker 1: been famous for eights, Like my sister had a chappeler 337 00:14:57,784 --> 00:14:59,024 Speaker 1: on birthday party years ago. 338 00:14:58,904 --> 00:14:59,584 Speaker 2: So I'm across. 339 00:15:00,024 --> 00:15:01,544 Speaker 1: I wasn't cool enough to know about her then, but 340 00:15:01,624 --> 00:15:03,584 Speaker 1: I know she's been around for a long time, but 341 00:15:03,744 --> 00:15:06,104 Speaker 1: that different level of fandom that she has now, and 342 00:15:06,184 --> 00:15:07,904 Speaker 1: I think people are just starting to learn who she 343 00:15:08,104 --> 00:15:10,704 Speaker 1: is at the same time as seeing this breakdown is 344 00:15:10,704 --> 00:15:13,424 Speaker 1: normally see we see it later in someone's career. Ye reason, 345 00:15:13,424 --> 00:15:15,104 Speaker 1: I'm saying that because there was a lot of backlash 346 00:15:15,184 --> 00:15:16,904 Speaker 1: for her from this over the weekend. 347 00:15:17,064 --> 00:15:20,344 Speaker 2: I think since she started talking about wanting to take 348 00:15:20,344 --> 00:15:22,304 Speaker 2: a step back every time and how like she doesn't 349 00:15:22,344 --> 00:15:25,464 Speaker 2: owe people like photos or like she doesn't want people 350 00:15:25,464 --> 00:15:28,184 Speaker 2: screaming at her in the streets, I think a lot 351 00:15:28,224 --> 00:15:30,504 Speaker 2: of people took offense to that because there are still 352 00:15:30,584 --> 00:15:35,104 Speaker 2: so many people who genuinely believe that being of a 353 00:15:35,224 --> 00:15:38,424 Speaker 2: highest status, you're just meant to accept the harassment. Yeah, 354 00:15:38,544 --> 00:15:41,704 Speaker 2: and we've talked about this for many celebrities, but because 355 00:15:41,744 --> 00:15:44,824 Speaker 2: she's also taken ownership of like those statements, Like it's 356 00:15:44,864 --> 00:15:47,864 Speaker 2: not like she puts out statements in like magazines or 357 00:15:48,184 --> 00:15:51,264 Speaker 2: like publications, but she just does it herself on her TikTok. Yeah, 358 00:15:51,384 --> 00:15:53,624 Speaker 2: and it looks like that no one's like approving them 359 00:15:53,784 --> 00:15:56,224 Speaker 2: or like betting her or anything like that. I think 360 00:15:56,264 --> 00:15:58,704 Speaker 2: people don't like that. They don't like the rawness of 361 00:15:58,824 --> 00:16:02,544 Speaker 2: those statements. So whenever we do see her on red carpets, 362 00:16:02,824 --> 00:16:05,144 Speaker 2: so apparently it's been like three times that she's like 363 00:16:05,584 --> 00:16:08,984 Speaker 2: yelled at photographers, like told her photographers, it ends up 364 00:16:09,024 --> 00:16:11,144 Speaker 2: becoming a bit of an eye roll because it's old. 365 00:16:11,344 --> 00:16:13,304 Speaker 2: But she's just standing up for herself. 366 00:16:13,424 --> 00:16:15,944 Speaker 1: And I think too, like, if you're only reading headlines, 367 00:16:15,984 --> 00:16:18,504 Speaker 1: that's all you're seeing, Like, because she gives other interviews 368 00:16:18,584 --> 00:16:21,184 Speaker 1: and does like posts other things on her TikTok about 369 00:16:21,304 --> 00:16:23,144 Speaker 1: like you know, things that she loves about her fans, 370 00:16:23,184 --> 00:16:25,944 Speaker 1: things that she loves are performing show she has coming 371 00:16:26,024 --> 00:16:28,104 Speaker 1: up her inspiration, Like, she puts a lot of the 372 00:16:28,144 --> 00:16:30,384 Speaker 1: other content out there. But if you're just seeing the 373 00:16:30,464 --> 00:16:33,264 Speaker 1: headlines like she does come across as exhausting if you're 374 00:16:33,264 --> 00:16:36,304 Speaker 1: only seeing those few headlines, because it'll be like chaple 375 00:16:36,384 --> 00:16:40,064 Speaker 1: Rone Yell's a photographer, Chapel Roone posts a TikTok asking 376 00:16:40,144 --> 00:16:42,144 Speaker 1: fans leave her Roone, Chapel Rone says she hopes she 377 00:16:42,224 --> 00:16:44,544 Speaker 1: doesn't win a Grammy, and you just go, oh, that's 378 00:16:44,664 --> 00:16:46,664 Speaker 1: enough kind of thing. But if you're actually looking at 379 00:16:46,664 --> 00:16:49,264 Speaker 1: her content as a whole, it's not geared that way. 380 00:16:49,424 --> 00:16:51,264 Speaker 1: And also the other thing I thought was interesting. I 381 00:16:51,264 --> 00:16:53,584 Speaker 1: don't know what your TikTok feed look like over the weekend, 382 00:16:53,744 --> 00:16:57,464 Speaker 1: but my especially on the Sunday, were just Chapel Roone 383 00:16:57,544 --> 00:17:00,864 Speaker 1: yelling at this photographer and Tom Holland yelling at photographers. 384 00:17:00,944 --> 00:17:03,624 Speaker 1: Did you see that video? Yeah? Where Hens and Day 385 00:17:03,664 --> 00:17:05,224 Speaker 1: I get out of the car for an event. 386 00:17:05,224 --> 00:17:06,864 Speaker 2: And everyone was like clapping for him. 387 00:17:07,024 --> 00:17:09,384 Speaker 1: Yeah, and she stops to sign some autographs and it 388 00:17:09,384 --> 00:17:11,664 Speaker 1: did look quite scary. And we've been at those events 389 00:17:11,664 --> 00:17:14,664 Speaker 1: actually with Zendaya, to be fair, and I never felt 390 00:17:14,704 --> 00:17:16,624 Speaker 1: closer to death, only because I thought I was going 391 00:17:16,704 --> 00:17:18,584 Speaker 1: to be trampled as they tried and get to Zendea, 392 00:17:18,704 --> 00:17:20,984 Speaker 1: like those crowds that was closing. Here is. 393 00:17:22,704 --> 00:17:23,344 Speaker 2: The feel of life. 394 00:17:23,424 --> 00:17:24,904 Speaker 1: Now. What's even worse is that we're going to be 395 00:17:24,984 --> 00:17:26,824 Speaker 1: trampled to death one day. That's how we're going to go. 396 00:17:28,304 --> 00:17:30,744 Speaker 2: To death when someone doesn't even want to talk to someone. 397 00:17:30,704 --> 00:17:32,624 Speaker 1: Just trying to get over us to get to the 398 00:17:32,664 --> 00:17:34,744 Speaker 1: famous person. There's only a few times in my life 399 00:17:34,784 --> 00:17:36,664 Speaker 1: I felt very close to death. And one is standing 400 00:17:36,704 --> 00:17:38,624 Speaker 1: next to Zendaya. The other one was standing next to 401 00:17:38,824 --> 00:17:43,104 Speaker 1: Chris hansword Mark Maco, and I just thought, yeah, so obviously. 402 00:17:43,224 --> 00:17:46,304 Speaker 1: And then Tom Holland sees that she's been like swarmed 403 00:17:46,344 --> 00:17:48,304 Speaker 1: by people and she can't get out, and he turns around. 404 00:17:48,344 --> 00:17:51,384 Speaker 1: He starts yelling and pushing people, and then he grabs 405 00:17:51,424 --> 00:17:54,664 Speaker 1: her hand and pulls her into the event, and everyone 406 00:17:54,744 --> 00:17:56,944 Speaker 1: was really applauding him. But I guess I feel like 407 00:17:56,984 --> 00:18:00,984 Speaker 1: there's such different circumstances, right, Yeah, I know it's hard 408 00:18:01,064 --> 00:18:03,664 Speaker 1: to say, Like everyone was applauding Tom because he's a man, 409 00:18:04,184 --> 00:18:07,104 Speaker 1: and everyone was shitting on Chapel because she's a woman. 410 00:18:07,544 --> 00:18:09,544 Speaker 1: And obviously I think that definitely plays a part, Like 411 00:18:09,584 --> 00:18:11,824 Speaker 1: I think men can obviously get away with so much, 412 00:18:12,304 --> 00:18:14,984 Speaker 1: especially in the entertainment world. But I wonder what the 413 00:18:15,384 --> 00:18:18,064 Speaker 1: reaction would have been like if they had been reversed 414 00:18:18,104 --> 00:18:21,584 Speaker 1: and we'd seen chapelerone yelling at photographers as they swarmed 415 00:18:21,664 --> 00:18:23,784 Speaker 1: on top of her and you lose sight of her 416 00:18:23,864 --> 00:18:26,344 Speaker 1: in the video because they're physically covering her and she 417 00:18:26,464 --> 00:18:26,984 Speaker 1: can't move. 418 00:18:27,344 --> 00:18:29,784 Speaker 2: Well, I think like that would never even happen because 419 00:18:29,784 --> 00:18:31,864 Speaker 2: I think her, like the part of it of like 420 00:18:31,984 --> 00:18:35,064 Speaker 2: being a woman is that at the actual event on 421 00:18:35,144 --> 00:18:37,144 Speaker 2: the carpet, that would have been a safe space for 422 00:18:37,224 --> 00:18:39,384 Speaker 2: her to have those feelings because there's like a barricade 423 00:18:39,384 --> 00:18:41,224 Speaker 2: and she has to walk up to there, rather than 424 00:18:41,264 --> 00:18:43,104 Speaker 2: people swarming her. Like I feel like if people were 425 00:18:43,144 --> 00:18:45,384 Speaker 2: swarming her, she would never say anything because that's already 426 00:18:45,424 --> 00:18:46,904 Speaker 2: such a dangerous Yeah, exactly, And. 427 00:18:46,944 --> 00:18:49,264 Speaker 1: Would we have been applauding Tom Holland if we'd seen 428 00:18:49,344 --> 00:18:51,144 Speaker 1: him standing as you're saying, like far back from the 429 00:18:51,184 --> 00:18:54,384 Speaker 1: barricade taking photos. Everything seems fine. He has the choice 430 00:18:54,424 --> 00:18:56,384 Speaker 1: to just walk away, and then he sees a photographer 431 00:18:56,704 --> 00:18:58,904 Speaker 1: and goes over and starts the altercation. Like, I'm not 432 00:18:58,944 --> 00:19:00,264 Speaker 1: saying she did the wrong thing. I think she did 433 00:19:00,304 --> 00:19:02,144 Speaker 1: the right thing, especially because it felt like she had 434 00:19:02,184 --> 00:19:03,904 Speaker 1: rehearsed in a hend she needed to get it out. 435 00:19:04,344 --> 00:19:06,304 Speaker 1: But I'm just saying I think comparing the two is 436 00:19:06,384 --> 00:19:11,504 Speaker 1: not super helpful because there's such different situation. Yeah, but anyway, 437 00:19:11,584 --> 00:19:13,944 Speaker 1: hope Chapel is doing okay because, as I said, she 438 00:19:14,064 --> 00:19:15,744 Speaker 1: got like a lot of hate for this over the weekend. 439 00:19:15,864 --> 00:19:17,744 Speaker 1: So it's just you know, that hate spiral against her 440 00:19:17,784 --> 00:19:19,104 Speaker 1: online is just getting stronger. 441 00:19:19,624 --> 00:19:21,944 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for listening to the Spill today. 442 00:19:21,984 --> 00:19:23,904 Speaker 2: If you haven't caught up on any of our episodes. 443 00:19:23,944 --> 00:19:27,184 Speaker 2: On Friday, we did an episode about the best true 444 00:19:27,224 --> 00:19:30,664 Speaker 2: crime documentaries we've seen. We also had special guest Jemma 445 00:19:30,704 --> 00:19:32,264 Speaker 2: Bath from True Crime Conversations. 446 00:19:32,304 --> 00:19:32,504 Speaker 1: Come On. 447 00:19:32,664 --> 00:19:35,064 Speaker 2: We will link that episode in our show notes. The 448 00:19:35,104 --> 00:19:37,824 Speaker 2: Spill is produced by Kimberly Bradish, with sound production by 449 00:19:37,864 --> 00:19:40,224 Speaker 2: Scott Stronik. We will be back here in your podcast 450 00:19:40,264 --> 00:19:41,664 Speaker 2: speeds at three pm tomorrow. 451 00:19:41,904 --> 00:19:42,784 Speaker 1: Bye bye.