WEBVTT - The New High Status Boyfriend 0:00:10.622 --> 0:00:13.382 You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast. 0:00:13.822 --> 0:00:17.222 Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters 0:00:17.222 --> 0:00:22.862 that this podcast is recorded on Hello, Hello, and welcome 0:00:22.902 --> 0:00:25.061 to Mamma Mia out Loud. It's what women are actually 0:00:25.102 --> 0:00:27.902 talking about on Friday, the tenth of October. That's shouting 0:00:27.942 --> 0:00:30.542 them was a little boo, wasn't. I'm sorry, out louders. 0:00:30.542 --> 0:00:33.581 If that like really, I'll startled you. I'm Holly Wayne Wright. 0:00:33.422 --> 0:00:36.141 I'm Jesse Stevens, and I am Stacy Hicks feeling in 0:00:36.182 --> 0:00:38.582 for em Vernon. You might have heard me on Parenting 0:00:38.582 --> 0:00:40.382 out Loud, which drops every Saturday. 0:00:40.702 --> 0:00:43.821 And here's what's made our agenda for today. There's an 0:00:43.942 --> 0:00:48.142 actual princess married to a shaman and a generation ex 0:00:48.222 --> 0:00:52.062 princess whose new boyfriend is a dead set manifesting guru. 0:00:52.742 --> 0:00:56.342 Is Woo Woo dude the new status celebrity boyfriend. 0:00:56.782 --> 0:00:59.462 Plus there's a very convincing case for opening a joint 0:00:59.502 --> 0:01:01.182 bank account with your friends. 0:01:01.182 --> 0:01:03.902 And the essay that made me wonder if having kids 0:01:04.021 --> 0:01:07.222 is morally wrong. I am desperately going to try and 0:01:07.342 --> 0:01:11.102 launch a defense I haven't quite worked out yet. But first, 0:01:11.422 --> 0:01:14.422 in case you missed it, people are no longer job 0:01:14.502 --> 0:01:18.941 hopping their job hugging. According to recent research from Bold 0:01:19.142 --> 0:01:23.662 hr SO, job hugging is when an employee stays in 0:01:23.702 --> 0:01:26.222 a role even if they're unhappy or they're finding the 0:01:26.302 --> 0:01:30.742 role unfulfilling, they clutch on for dear. Life and workplace 0:01:30.822 --> 0:01:35.662 expert Rebecca Horton says leaders should be really worried about this, like, 0:01:35.702 --> 0:01:39.661 this isn't a good thing because it's driven by risk aversion, 0:01:40.382 --> 0:01:43.422 economic anxiety, and a lot of it is to do 0:01:43.462 --> 0:01:46.102 with fear of AI. People are feeling unstable within their 0:01:46.182 --> 0:01:49.262 industries and they're going got a hold on here. It 0:01:49.342 --> 0:01:52.942 makes people really burnt out. She says. Everyone is tired 0:01:53.142 --> 0:01:56.182 and it can be a workplace nightmare because these people 0:01:56.222 --> 0:02:00.982 are disengaged. That can impact productivity. Experts worn as well 0:02:01.222 --> 0:02:04.782 that these types of employees aren't loyal, like, don't confuse 0:02:04.862 --> 0:02:08.382 job hugging for loyalty, because the second the job market changes, 0:02:08.862 --> 0:02:09.662 they're all out. 0:02:09.702 --> 0:02:09.942 Once. 0:02:10.142 --> 0:02:12.982 Remember just after COVID, when it kind of there was 0:02:13.022 --> 0:02:15.901 the post COVID flush and suddenly the job hopping thing 0:02:15.982 --> 0:02:19.142 was big. It was like yes, everybody was like I'm 0:02:19.142 --> 0:02:21.982 living my best life now I've learned what matters to me, 0:02:22.302 --> 0:02:24.342 and I'm going to jump jump jump jump jump around 0:02:24.382 --> 0:02:26.542 and now we're all like, rah, the robots are coming 0:02:26.542 --> 0:02:27.821 and we're like, I'm holding. 0:02:27.542 --> 0:02:28.302 On for dear life. 0:02:28.382 --> 0:02:30.142 Yeah, And I felt like the golden number was like 0:02:30.142 --> 0:02:32.662 two years. Remember, like you never really stayed in a 0:02:32.702 --> 0:02:34.782 place for more than two years. That's what we were told. 0:02:34.822 --> 0:02:36.582 You had to go to the next, go to the next, 0:02:36.702 --> 0:02:37.462 keep increasing. 0:02:37.622 --> 0:02:39.862 And it was a lot of people were leaving jobs 0:02:39.902 --> 0:02:43.782 without another job lined up, which I was always in 0:02:43.822 --> 0:02:46.542 awe of because it's like they just went, I will 0:02:46.782 --> 0:02:49.782 jump in the Paris figure it out. Yeah, something will 0:02:50.181 --> 0:02:50.661 will help. 0:02:50.742 --> 0:02:53.702 The thing about hugging, So the term job hugging, and 0:02:53.742 --> 0:02:55.862 I understand the fact that this can be a negative 0:02:55.862 --> 0:02:58.862 thing because you know, if you are over where you work, 0:02:59.062 --> 0:03:01.341 it's better leave, let's be honest, Or you're over the 0:03:01.422 --> 0:03:03.782 job you're doing there better from everyone that you leave, 0:03:03.782 --> 0:03:05.982 even though employers would like you to stay longer than 0:03:06.022 --> 0:03:08.221 two years, ideally because a lot of investment goes into 0:03:08.222 --> 0:03:12.181 finding you, training you, et cetera. But job hugging, if 0:03:12.222 --> 0:03:14.702 that hug is real and it comes with love and 0:03:14.822 --> 0:03:18.621 kisses and you really love it, then sure hug the job, right, 0:03:18.862 --> 0:03:21.102 But it's if the hug is fake and you're keeping 0:03:21.102 --> 0:03:22.702 your groins away exactly. 0:03:22.862 --> 0:03:26.062 Yes, So this is how you can tell some people 0:03:26.542 --> 0:03:28.782 realize the job. My dad has been doing the same 0:03:28.862 --> 0:03:29.941 job for something like thirty years. 0:03:29.982 --> 0:03:32.102 Yeah, right, it's great if it's not broke. 0:03:31.982 --> 0:03:35.102 It's not exactly huge hug it tight take that money. 0:03:35.742 --> 0:03:38.582 But there was a psychologist interviewed in this article, and 0:03:38.622 --> 0:03:40.862 she said, if you get a lot of anxiety on 0:03:40.902 --> 0:03:45.142 a Sunday night, if you're irritable, if you are bored, 0:03:45.342 --> 0:03:49.062 and if you feel trapped, then they're all signs that 0:03:49.142 --> 0:03:52.982 you're hugging rather than just happy with where you are. 0:03:52.982 --> 0:03:55.342 Are you guys noticing this even among friends and stuff? 0:03:55.542 --> 0:03:57.422 I think so. But I have a theory that it's 0:03:57.462 --> 0:04:00.342 not because of stability. I feel like it's flexibility that 0:04:00.382 --> 0:04:02.222 people are holding on to, because you know how if 0:04:02.222 --> 0:04:04.102 you just started a job, you couldn't go in on 0:04:04.102 --> 0:04:05.422 the first day and say, oh, do you mind if 0:04:05.462 --> 0:04:07.262 I work from home because I've got a doctor's appointment 0:04:07.262 --> 0:04:09.342 at two pm. I'm good for it, Like you have 0:04:09.382 --> 0:04:12.782 to kind of earn the good will for flexibility. So true. 0:04:12.822 --> 0:04:14.182 So I think if you're in a position where you 0:04:14.222 --> 0:04:17.181 have that you're trusted, then you go, well, I'm onto 0:04:17.222 --> 0:04:18.541 a good thing here, so I'm not going to move 0:04:18.582 --> 0:04:20.822 somewhere else where. I've got to prove myself first. 0:04:21.142 --> 0:04:24.382 And apparently all the stats say as well that job 0:04:24.462 --> 0:04:27.222 mobility is down, like people aren't going yeah, like they 0:04:27.301 --> 0:04:30.541 genuinely aren't hopping. That's just I think all over the world. 0:04:30.582 --> 0:04:33.501 And that's because of you know, the economic climate right now. 0:04:33.541 --> 0:04:36.342 But that makes sense about the flexibility because obviously there's 0:04:36.342 --> 0:04:38.901 been a big pushback into the office because at different 0:04:38.902 --> 0:04:40.821 points in your career, different things are important to you. 0:04:40.902 --> 0:04:43.502 Sometimes you'll take flexibility over more money. Sometimes you'll take 0:04:43.541 --> 0:04:46.021 extra holiday days, et cetera. And other times you're just like, 0:04:46.061 --> 0:04:48.902 absolutely not. It's all about the dollar dollar bills. I mean, 0:04:48.902 --> 0:04:50.701 it's always about the dollar dollar bills. But you know 0:04:50.702 --> 0:04:52.101 what I mean. So, if you've got a young family 0:04:52.142 --> 0:04:55.742 and stuff, flexibilit it's very important. If you have been 0:04:55.782 --> 0:04:58.861 somewhere where you know you've agreed two days in, three 0:04:58.941 --> 0:05:01.021 days out or whatever, and then you're like, I know, 0:05:01.101 --> 0:05:03.741 if I jump, they'll use it as not an excuse 0:05:03.782 --> 0:05:05.621 but a reason to go five days in. 0:05:06.262 --> 0:05:09.061 You're like, huh, yeah, you'd have to negotiate that all 0:05:09.101 --> 0:05:09.541 over again. 0:05:09.702 --> 0:05:12.701 So a few years ago they were talking about quiet 0:05:12.821 --> 0:05:17.742 quitting and there was bare minimum Monday, and acting your 0:05:17.782 --> 0:05:19.782 wage was the other thing. And I was reading all 0:05:19.782 --> 0:05:21.861 of those and I was like, I think they're totally 0:05:21.861 --> 0:05:24.382 compatible with job hugging. I think you can do all 0:05:24.421 --> 0:05:27.262 of those things without leaving your job. Lots of these 0:05:27.262 --> 0:05:31.382 people have probably quietly quit, but sometimes you just got 0:05:31.421 --> 0:05:32.342 to work for the money. 0:05:33.222 --> 0:05:36.301 Okay, I've got a theory, but before I explain the 0:05:36.301 --> 0:05:37.821 theory to you, I need to start with a bit 0:05:37.861 --> 0:05:40.861 of a recommendation. Okay, have either of you two watched 0:05:40.902 --> 0:05:44.741 The Royal Rebels on Netflix? No, I'm offended. I've been 0:05:44.741 --> 0:05:46.662 telling you that the word royal in it. I've been 0:05:46.662 --> 0:05:49.261 telling Jess to watch it four weeks so I've offended. 0:05:49.342 --> 0:05:52.902 But I started Slow Horses. Has anyone watched Slow Horn? 0:05:53.541 --> 0:05:56.581 Amazing? Did you start at season one? I did, mate, 0:05:56.702 --> 0:05:57.942 It's one of the best things on TV. 0:05:58.381 --> 0:06:00.262 Well, there's a bonus recommendation there, you go. 0:06:00.381 --> 0:06:06.222 Some of my recommendations are good tough, all right, So 0:06:06.262 --> 0:06:09.501 what The Royal Rebels is. It's one of those PR 0:06:09.702 --> 0:06:12.301 documentaries that we talked about the other week procumentaries. 0:06:12.462 --> 0:06:14.341 Oh so like David Beckham's. 0:06:14.421 --> 0:06:18.142 Yeah, it's like a movie length documentary made directed by 0:06:18.142 --> 0:06:19.981 the person who won an Emmy for doing Tiger King. 0:06:20.222 --> 0:06:23.941 So very very classy, well made docco but made one 0:06:24.022 --> 0:06:26.621 hundred percent with the cooperation of the royals in question 0:06:27.061 --> 0:06:31.142 and the royals in question. It's about a Norwegian princess, 0:06:31.462 --> 0:06:33.181 so she's not first in line, so she's a bit 0:06:33.222 --> 0:06:34.782 like Prince Harry, and that she could be the more 0:06:34.821 --> 0:06:38.622 rebellious one right, called Marta Louise, And it follows the 0:06:38.702 --> 0:06:42.142 lead up to her second marriage to a shaman called 0:06:42.662 --> 0:06:44.141 Dorik Veret Holly. 0:06:44.222 --> 0:06:46.221 This is probably something I should know by this age, 0:06:46.262 --> 0:06:47.821 But what is a no? 0:06:47.902 --> 0:06:52.301 Please? I have been dying telling you. So a shaman 0:06:52.462 --> 0:06:55.861 is a spiritual practitioner, so like also could be a 0:06:55.861 --> 0:06:58.701 priest or a priestess not in the traditional religious sense, right, 0:06:59.181 --> 0:07:04.342 who might counsel, might preach often enters and you see 0:07:04.342 --> 0:07:07.541 Derek doing this during the show, like an altered state 0:07:07.582 --> 0:07:10.381 of consciousness while doing it right to communicate with the 0:07:10.381 --> 0:07:12.902 spirit world and pulled you through whatever problems you've got. 0:07:13.102 --> 0:07:15.462 They claim sometimes that they can heal the sick, they 0:07:15.462 --> 0:07:18.902 can manifest they can guide souls. And he of course direct, 0:07:18.902 --> 0:07:21.341 which he makes him all the more fun. Direct veric 0:07:21.422 --> 0:07:25.422 he's called is a Hollywood sharman, and among his clients 0:07:25.422 --> 0:07:28.542 in the past have been my friend Gwyneth Paltrow. 0:07:28.902 --> 0:07:31.502 Of course, is Derek White. 0:07:31.742 --> 0:07:35.141 No, so Drek is from California, so he's American, but 0:07:35.262 --> 0:07:37.742 he is a man of color. He says that his 0:07:37.862 --> 0:07:41.942 heritage includes Haitian African Native American, so a mixture, but 0:07:42.062 --> 0:07:44.382 he is a man of color. And he was the 0:07:44.422 --> 0:07:47.662 first black man to marry into a European royal family, 0:07:48.302 --> 0:07:51.342 so he's a sharman. He also is this is just 0:07:51.462 --> 0:07:53.302 relevant in terms of how much he stirred the pot 0:07:53.381 --> 0:07:56.102 in the European royal world, not in any other way. 0:07:56.342 --> 0:07:58.982 And he is also not straight. He has in the 0:07:59.022 --> 0:08:02.022 past stated guys and now he describes himself as a 0:08:02.062 --> 0:08:04.782 soul sexual. And he also talks very openly about that 0:08:05.022 --> 0:08:07.782 he's attracted to people's souls and the person whose soul 0:08:07.821 --> 0:08:09.862 he was attracted to that's made him the subse this 0:08:09.862 --> 0:08:14.622 documentary is our mate, Marta Luise. She is a grown 0:08:14.702 --> 0:08:17.261 up lady. She's got three kids from her first marriage, 0:08:17.302 --> 0:08:19.582 all of whom are delightful and are also in this 0:08:19.662 --> 0:08:22.941 they're like young adults. Now what you get from this 0:08:23.022 --> 0:08:27.102 documentary is they are both kind of eccentric, free spirits, 0:08:27.102 --> 0:08:30.581 but they are lovely. She is lovely, like just the 0:08:30.662 --> 0:08:34.542 loveliest right. But she herself has always been a big searcher, 0:08:34.622 --> 0:08:37.102 so she all through her life obviously she had loads 0:08:37.102 --> 0:08:38.742 of press on her in Norway, just like all the 0:08:38.822 --> 0:08:41.381 royals do in their home countries. And she's always been 0:08:41.381 --> 0:08:44.942 the rebel, so she's always explored alternative therapies. She's got 0:08:44.942 --> 0:08:47.742 an angel healing clinic. I don't know what that is, 0:08:47.862 --> 0:08:51.662 but anyway, this doco is great because it basically follows them. 0:08:51.902 --> 0:08:54.062 They've been dating now since twenty eighteen, so quite a 0:08:54.102 --> 0:08:58.062 long time. It follows them as they decide to get 0:08:58.062 --> 0:09:00.982 married and get married, and it's got all the really 0:09:01.062 --> 0:09:03.822 juicy ingredients. Basically, Martin Luise is like, let's just have 0:09:03.822 --> 0:09:06.622 a quiet little wedding and directs like absolutely not. He's like, 0:09:06.622 --> 0:09:08.062 if I'm going to be the first black man to 0:09:08.062 --> 0:09:12.062 marry into and Ryalty, I want all the bells and whistles, 0:09:12.182 --> 0:09:15.022 hyper visibility, Like why not? Right, So they have this big, 0:09:15.062 --> 0:09:17.742 fancy wedding at one point, the King of Norway has 0:09:17.782 --> 0:09:19.262 to come out and make a statement because the press, 0:09:19.262 --> 0:09:21.862 of course are horribly racist against him and also suggesting 0:09:21.862 --> 0:09:25.462 that he's blackmailing her, that there's something really dodgy about him. 0:09:25.822 --> 0:09:27.862 And the King of Norway comes out at one point 0:09:27.942 --> 0:09:30.302 and issues a statement to the press telling the multiple 0:09:30.342 --> 0:09:32.542 the heads in and that they are being racist. This 0:09:32.662 --> 0:09:34.862 was all happening around the same time as Harry and Meggs, 0:09:34.902 --> 0:09:36.902 and Harry actually called out that statement a one time 0:09:36.942 --> 0:09:38.582 and said, I wish my family would do this, but 0:09:38.662 --> 0:09:42.062 they won't. Really, so this was all going on at 0:09:42.062 --> 0:09:45.261 the same time. Okay, but it's really good doco and 0:09:45.302 --> 0:09:48.702 I couldn'tcommend it enough. But it's also very interesting, which 0:09:48.782 --> 0:09:51.422 leads me to my theory in that watching this woman 0:09:51.462 --> 0:09:54.502 who could pretty much have dated anyone in the world 0:09:54.662 --> 0:09:56.622 right in terms of the fact she's got status, she's 0:09:56.622 --> 0:09:59.862 got money, she's charismatic, attractive, she's got her kids out 0:09:59.902 --> 0:10:02.902 of the way, she's d D D DA is choosing this 0:10:03.302 --> 0:10:08.942 very interesting experiential spiritual leader, which brings me to our 0:10:08.942 --> 0:10:12.582 friend Jennifer Anniston. One could argue a different kind of 0:10:12.582 --> 0:10:19.302 princess generation princes absolute My princess Princess Jen She's got 0:10:19.302 --> 0:10:22.462 a new boyfriend and he's called Jim Curtis. They've been 0:10:22.502 --> 0:10:25.022 seen together since June this year. Lots of photographs, a 0:10:25.062 --> 0:10:29.342 bit of handholding, holidays, dinners, etcetera, etcetera. Jesse, Who the 0:10:29.342 --> 0:10:30.222 hell is Jim Curtis? 0:10:30.262 --> 0:10:32.702 Tell the people He's a forty nine year old hypnotist. Yes, 0:10:32.862 --> 0:10:36.342 is Jim Curtis. Look, he's Instagram following has skyrocketed. He's 0:10:36.342 --> 0:10:37.702 now in the six hundred thousands. 0:10:38.182 --> 0:10:39.062 I'll be happy with that. 0:10:39.302 --> 0:10:43.022 Hiss bio is My mission is to help you heal 0:10:43.182 --> 0:10:47.782 and strive by upgrading your I am and I don't 0:10:47.822 --> 0:10:48.381 understand that. 0:10:49.942 --> 0:10:50.502 Why don't you know. 0:10:52.142 --> 0:10:54.902 Like manifest and yeah, yeah, because that's what Durex doing 0:10:54.902 --> 0:10:56.702 on his Instagram too. Every day gives you a prayer 0:10:56.702 --> 0:10:58.582 and manifestation. You get to choose a crystal. 0:10:58.662 --> 0:11:01.382 And that's the thing, right, is that At first I went, oh, yeah, 0:11:01.382 --> 0:11:03.662 all right, Jim, And then I watched a few and 0:11:03.702 --> 0:11:06.022 I went, I feel inspired. What can I say? Because 0:11:06.022 --> 0:11:08.582 he said this was one I saw today. Reflect on 0:11:08.622 --> 0:11:10.622 a story you have told more than once in the 0:11:10.662 --> 0:11:14.222 past month. Is that story empowering? If not? Let it 0:11:14.262 --> 0:11:17.822 go Wow, Jim Wow. 0:11:17.502 --> 0:11:18.342 I feel attacked. 0:11:18.742 --> 0:11:22.302 So thank you, Jim. 0:11:23.062 --> 0:11:26.662 So he is a hypnotist and this is part of 0:11:26.702 --> 0:11:31.142 a broader trend, right, because Holly, we were talking. You've 0:11:31.182 --> 0:11:33.942 been wanting to talk about Jennifer Aniston's boyfriend because the 0:11:33.942 --> 0:11:37.302 moment you saw this smiss and you said it's the 0:11:37.422 --> 0:11:40.462 new Silicon Valley tech bro. Yes, he's out of favor 0:11:40.582 --> 0:11:43.542 right now. Right, we've just gone you've not done good 0:11:43.542 --> 0:11:46.342 things to the planet. We don't trust you anymore. Miranda 0:11:46.422 --> 0:11:50.702 Kerr married one, and now there's this shift towards this 0:11:51.062 --> 0:11:57.262 ultra spiritual witchy woo woo partner, which says something about status. Right, 0:11:57.342 --> 0:11:59.502 So I remember Andrew Garfield was with the. 0:11:59.462 --> 0:12:03.742 Witch, yes, the witch doctor, the witch got professional witch. 0:12:05.502 --> 0:12:08.702 And then they broke up. And then Brad Pitt after 0:12:08.742 --> 0:12:12.302 Angelina Joel also dated and I want to get this 0:12:12.622 --> 0:12:17.902 language correct, a spiritual guru named sat Haari Kalsa. She 0:12:18.222 --> 0:12:20.182 was like, did jewelry and stuff, but she was also 0:12:20.302 --> 0:12:24.502 very very spiritual. Katie Perry titled her album her Angel Numbers. 0:12:24.542 --> 0:12:28.582 Like Hollywood is leaning into this. Gwyneth Paltrow always adjacent. 0:12:28.742 --> 0:12:31.422 She has every type of healer, every type of Crystal 0:12:31.982 --> 0:12:34.462 and Jennifer Aniston. I think it's important because it was 0:12:34.502 --> 0:12:39.222 the same with your Norwegian princess. They've always been wu right, 0:12:39.302 --> 0:12:42.582 Like Jennifer Aniston has always loved a Psyche, she's always 0:12:42.622 --> 0:12:47.302 loved a Crystal. And it's almost like, during uncertain times, 0:12:48.182 --> 0:12:51.302 maybe it would be nice being with someone who appears 0:12:51.382 --> 0:12:53.462 to have access to a higher power and they're like, 0:12:54.382 --> 0:12:56.582 everything's fine, Everything's gonna be okay. 0:12:56.662 --> 0:13:00.022 Well, famously, the poor celebrities have really tough life, so. 0:13:00.022 --> 0:13:03.462 Exactly they need to want to hold their hands help through. 0:13:04.062 --> 0:13:06.662 Well, but look at it this way, right, these are 0:13:06.742 --> 0:13:10.622 people who have reached a level of like financial security 0:13:10.622 --> 0:13:12.942 and stuff that the rest of us are like, that 0:13:12.982 --> 0:13:15.102 would be nice, all we think, but also we're like, oh, 0:13:15.102 --> 0:13:17.182 you'd have nothing to worry about. But they clearly still 0:13:17.182 --> 0:13:20.102 have plenty of things to worry right, But that's not 0:13:20.142 --> 0:13:21.942 one of them, and they might have a lot of 0:13:21.942 --> 0:13:25.462 healers on their payroll. I remember Elizabeth Gilbert saying in 0:13:25.502 --> 0:13:27.302 that on that press tour for her book that she 0:13:27.382 --> 0:13:30.062 recently did that before she got sober. And when I 0:13:30.102 --> 0:13:32.342 say sober, I just mean because it was from love 0:13:32.382 --> 0:13:34.862 and sex addiction. She said the number of healers I 0:13:34.902 --> 0:13:37.782 had on my payroll, between my therapists and my psychologists 0:13:37.822 --> 0:13:40.022 and then my energy healer and my psychic and my 0:13:40.102 --> 0:13:41.982 this and my that. She's like I was paying a 0:13:42.022 --> 0:13:44.142 small army of people to just help me get through 0:13:44.182 --> 0:13:47.062 the day. And I reckon that would not be unusual 0:13:47.742 --> 0:13:50.622 in these circles. So they're gonna rub up against the 0:13:50.702 --> 0:13:53.022 charismatic sexy healers. 0:13:53.262 --> 0:13:56.702 It's very la as well. So this Jim apparently wants 0:13:56.742 --> 0:13:58.902 to be the next Oprah. That's some gossip I read. 0:13:58.942 --> 0:14:00.582 If I wanted to be the next Oprah, I would 0:14:00.622 --> 0:14:04.062 date Jennifer Aniston. She's friends with Iprah of course, and 0:14:04.222 --> 0:14:05.902 also Manifestation. 0:14:06.302 --> 0:14:09.742 I know he has manifested so hard. He all so 0:14:09.982 --> 0:14:11.822 has a book I did, And do you want to 0:14:11.862 --> 0:14:13.022 hear what the title of the book is? 0:14:13.142 --> 0:14:13.542 Please? 0:14:13.862 --> 0:14:15.982 How Jennifer Aniston fixed my broken? 0:14:16.022 --> 0:14:16.142 Oh? 0:14:16.222 --> 0:14:19.542 He start read on Yahoo? Okay. 0:14:19.702 --> 0:14:22.422 If he does that, he is out. Jenna is not 0:14:22.462 --> 0:14:24.342 going to hang around for that. She would have to 0:14:24.382 --> 0:14:26.622 be so certain. If you're Jennifer Aniston and you've been 0:14:26.662 --> 0:14:29.622 through all that she has been through, the tabloid troughs 0:14:29.622 --> 0:14:34.222 and tribulations, the twenty million she's pregnant. Miracle Twins did, 0:14:34.542 --> 0:14:38.422 oh poor her, she's been you know, wronged again. Deanngela like, 0:14:38.462 --> 0:14:40.222 if you've been through all that, the last thing you 0:14:40.302 --> 0:14:41.862 want is a guy who's going to write a book 0:14:41.902 --> 0:14:42.582 about Yes. 0:14:42.622 --> 0:14:45.142 But then I did read she's under the spell. That's 0:14:45.262 --> 0:14:49.142 the thing I did, well said cluck like a chicken 0:14:49.182 --> 0:14:49.982 if you need hell. 0:14:50.102 --> 0:14:53.862 Yeah, Andrew Garfield's professional witch girlfriend got accused of putting 0:14:53.902 --> 0:14:56.262 a love spell on him until they broke up. Obviously, 0:14:56.662 --> 0:14:58.142 but maybe the same is happening. 0:14:58.382 --> 0:15:01.022 That's the thing. People aren't trustworthy because they're like, has 0:15:01.062 --> 0:15:02.662 he carved a spell on her? And then everyone went 0:15:02.702 --> 0:15:04.022 and looked at his Instagram and they were like, no, 0:15:04.142 --> 0:15:05.062 he's just really old. 0:15:05.142 --> 0:15:05.342 Yeah. 0:15:05.862 --> 0:15:07.102 I think that he's just got a. 0:15:07.102 --> 0:15:10.702 Lot of quite attractive I think you would feel safe. 0:15:10.822 --> 0:15:12.822 I think to your point earlier, Jesse, I think you've 0:15:12.902 --> 0:15:15.142 nail it. I think it's funny that you're suggesting these 0:15:15.142 --> 0:15:17.262 people are Charlatan's when you're the ones who may all 0:15:17.262 --> 0:15:19.822 get our tarot cards read alive on the podcast. But 0:15:20.862 --> 0:15:23.542 I think that to your point earlier, I think that 0:15:23.702 --> 0:15:27.022 in an uncertain world, the tech bros are definitely on 0:15:27.062 --> 0:15:31.582 the nose other like middle aged male Hollywood actors are 0:15:31.622 --> 0:15:34.262 also very like. Think about how the gen X male 0:15:34.342 --> 0:15:37.102 celebrities have fared in recent years, like your brads and 0:15:37.302 --> 0:15:40.622 Johnny Depps, and you're like, ick, no, no, whereas this 0:15:41.102 --> 0:15:45.702 rich seam tapped rich ship of handsome, hot, very in 0:15:45.822 --> 0:15:49.502 shape healers, I think you'd feel very safe. I predict 0:15:49.582 --> 0:15:51.382 that Nicole Kidman's going to be next. 0:15:51.982 --> 0:15:53.902 I was about to say this hollyway and right. I 0:15:53.982 --> 0:15:56.102 was like, you know who needs some witchy wore in 0:15:56.142 --> 0:15:59.862 her life? Is Nicole Kidman. And there is six degrees 0:15:59.902 --> 0:16:03.062 of separation maybe even three to Jennifer Aniston because they 0:16:03.062 --> 0:16:07.542 have mutual friend Reese with a spoon. They surely are 0:16:07.622 --> 0:16:11.222 mixing in the same circles, so witchy Man can get some. 0:16:12.422 --> 0:16:14.662 Does your hypnost's boyfriend know any other hypnot. 0:16:14.422 --> 0:16:15.422 Yes, surely. 0:16:15.742 --> 0:16:19.742 I hope you've enjoyed this, this installment of scoreless gossip 0:16:19.782 --> 0:16:22.462 about woo woo celebrities, and go and watch the royal 0:16:22.502 --> 0:16:23.502 rebels do your self. 0:16:23.302 --> 0:16:26.342 Favor And can I throw in one more tarot card 0:16:26.342 --> 0:16:27.222 prediction that came true? 0:16:27.262 --> 0:16:28.902 Oh yeah, okay, we're here. 0:16:29.062 --> 0:16:31.542 So while we're here, so she said, I was gonna 0:16:31.542 --> 0:16:33.742 have a boy. We discovered Jesse's we know at least 0:16:33.782 --> 0:16:35.942 one boy, right. The other thing she said is she 0:16:36.022 --> 0:16:37.502 kept saying, you're going on a holiday. It's going to 0:16:37.542 --> 0:16:38.742 be to a city. It's gonna be to a city. 0:16:38.782 --> 0:16:40.542 And I was like, no, I've got a holiday booked 0:16:40.702 --> 0:16:44.302 and it's beachy like anyway over the weekend. Had to 0:16:44.302 --> 0:16:46.222 pull the plug on that holiday, and now it looks 0:16:46.222 --> 0:16:48.782 like we're going somewhere a little bit more city, Okay. 0:16:49.022 --> 0:16:53.262 So I'm just like, she's there, She's just always spot on. 0:16:53.462 --> 0:16:55.502 So I'm also a bit witchy. I'm leaning into the 0:16:55.542 --> 0:16:58.342 witchy out louder is in a moment the man who 0:16:58.342 --> 0:17:00.142 wants us to stop becoming parents? 0:17:00.462 --> 0:17:01.302 And why. 0:17:05.341 --> 0:17:08.982 Is it immoral to have a baby? Is the decision 0:17:09.101 --> 0:17:12.582 ultimately self interested? And how does one square bringing children 0:17:12.662 --> 0:17:15.221 into the world given the threat of climate change? 0:17:15.462 --> 0:17:17.462 Just a few little questions for Friday afternoon. 0:17:17.621 --> 0:17:20.901 Look bleak. I know it's blak, but there was a 0:17:21.022 --> 0:17:25.422 brilliant essay by Breeley published by the ABSA recently that 0:17:25.901 --> 0:17:29.262 really got me thinking. So she says that we've seen 0:17:29.542 --> 0:17:32.942 this rise in the pronatalist movement, So think Elon Musk 0:17:32.982 --> 0:17:36.341 with his at least fourteen kids. Vladimir Putin has set 0:17:36.422 --> 0:17:39.302 up an award in Russia for women who have ten 0:17:39.381 --> 0:17:41.502 children in less than ten years, like it's some sort 0:17:41.502 --> 0:17:42.061 of competition. 0:17:42.182 --> 0:17:46.581 So she's tired, she needs an award awards Snickers bars. 0:17:46.581 --> 0:17:49.182 Yeah, I think also maybe an appointment to pelvic floor 0:17:49.182 --> 0:17:52.221 physio After all of that. Every religion, as well as 0:17:52.262 --> 0:17:54.742 every economic policy tells us that having kids is a 0:17:54.782 --> 0:17:55.142 good thing. 0:17:55.381 --> 0:17:55.581 Right. 0:17:56.061 --> 0:18:00.701 But alongside pro natalism has been another taboo movement growing 0:18:00.861 --> 0:18:03.221 over the last twenty or so years, and it is 0:18:03.262 --> 0:18:08.141 called anti natalism. David Bennetta is the world's most prominent 0:18:08.422 --> 0:18:12.262 anti natalist, and he says that having kids is morally wrong. 0:18:12.462 --> 0:18:15.421 All it does is create more suffering. That child doesn't 0:18:15.462 --> 0:18:17.742 exist yet, so you can't be having kids for their sake. 0:18:17.901 --> 0:18:21.741 They're not consenting to being created. Given climate change is 0:18:21.782 --> 0:18:25.542 bringing with it extreme heat, food shortages, conflict. I could 0:18:25.581 --> 0:18:28.742 go on. They will face conditions worse than our own. 0:18:28.901 --> 0:18:32.142 Jesus, is this making you feel really anxious because you're 0:18:32.141 --> 0:18:32.581 brewing a. 0:18:32.542 --> 0:18:34.941 Couple of babies exactly right? And I will say I 0:18:35.061 --> 0:18:37.621 meant to have one, so don't come for me. 0:18:37.661 --> 0:18:40.982 Anti natalists I think it's okay. I think I don't 0:18:40.982 --> 0:18:43.141 want you to get anxious about his predictions anyways. 0:18:43.341 --> 0:18:46.302 On I feel sick saying all of that out loud, 0:18:46.341 --> 0:18:48.982 but I think most people with kids are thinking it anyway. 0:18:49.542 --> 0:18:52.502 Abby Chatfield posted a similar question on TikTok a few 0:18:52.502 --> 0:18:54.022 weeks ago. Here's what she asked. 0:18:54.341 --> 0:18:56.341 Parents, don't get mad and I ask you this, Okay, 0:18:56.341 --> 0:18:58.862 I have an actual question for you, and I'm asking 0:18:58.861 --> 0:19:02.221 this in the most earnest way possible. This is not 0:19:02.262 --> 0:19:05.262 a gotcha. This is a genuine, genuine question to parents 0:19:05.381 --> 0:19:08.782 or people who are pregnant, or people who have decided 0:19:08.782 --> 0:19:11.381 to have a baby, like doing IVF or something. People 0:19:11.422 --> 0:19:14.061 who either have had a baby or have decided to 0:19:14.101 --> 0:19:16.701 have a baby in the past year or two. Okay, 0:19:16.982 --> 0:19:22.262