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Speaker 2: to Mamma Mia out Loud. It's what women are actually

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Speaker 2: talking about on Friday, the tenth of October. That's shouting

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Speaker 2: If that like really, I'll startled you. I'm Holly Wayne Wright.

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Speaker 1: I'm Jesse Stevens, and I am Stacy Hicks feeling in

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Speaker 1: for em Vernon. You might have heard me on Parenting

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Speaker 1: out Loud, which drops every Saturday.

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Speaker 2: And here's what's made our agenda for today. There's an

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Speaker 2: actual princess married to a shaman and a generation ex

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Speaker 2: princess whose new boyfriend is a dead set manifesting guru.

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Speaker 2: Is Woo Woo dude the new status celebrity boyfriend.

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Speaker 1: Plus there's a very convincing case for opening a joint

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Speaker 1: bank account with your friends.

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Speaker 3: And the essay that made me wonder if having kids

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Speaker 3: is morally wrong. I am desperately going to try and

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Speaker 3: launch a defense I haven't quite worked out yet. But first,

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Speaker 3: in case you missed it, people are no longer job

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Speaker 3: hopping their job hugging. According to recent research from Bold

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Speaker 3: hr SO, job hugging is when an employee stays in

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Speaker 3: a role even if they're unhappy or they're finding the

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Speaker 3: role unfulfilling, they clutch on for dear. Life and workplace

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Speaker 3: expert Rebecca Horton says leaders should be really worried about this, like,

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Speaker 3: this isn't a good thing because it's driven by risk aversion,

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Speaker 3: economic anxiety, and a lot of it is to do

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Speaker 3: with fear of AI. People are feeling unstable within their

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Speaker 3: industries and they're going got a hold on here. It

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Speaker 3: makes people really burnt out. She says. Everyone is tired

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Speaker 3: and it can be a workplace nightmare because these people

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Speaker 3: are disengaged. That can impact productivity. Experts worn as well

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Speaker 3: that these types of employees aren't loyal, like, don't confuse

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Speaker 3: job hugging for loyalty, because the second the job market changes,

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Speaker 3: they're all out.

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Speaker 1: Once.

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Speaker 2: Remember just after COVID, when it kind of there was

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Speaker 2: the post COVID flush and suddenly the job hopping thing

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Speaker 2: was big. It was like yes, everybody was like I'm

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Speaker 2: living my best life now I've learned what matters to me,

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Speaker 2: and I'm going to jump jump jump jump jump around

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Speaker 2: and now we're all like, rah, the robots are coming

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Speaker 2: and we're like, I'm holding.

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Speaker 3: On for dear life.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I felt like the golden number was like

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Speaker 1: two years. Remember, like you never really stayed in a

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Speaker 1: place for more than two years. That's what we were told.

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Speaker 1: You had to go to the next, go to the next,

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Speaker 3: And it was a lot of people were leaving jobs

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Speaker 3: without another job lined up, which I was always in

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Speaker 3: awe of because it's like they just went, I will

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Speaker 3: jump in the Paris figure it out. Yeah, something will

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Speaker 2: The thing about hugging, So the term job hugging, and

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Speaker 2: I understand the fact that this can be a negative

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Speaker 2: thing because you know, if you are over where you work,

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Speaker 2: job you're doing there better from everyone that you leave,

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Speaker 2: even though employers would like you to stay longer than

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Speaker 2: two years, ideally because a lot of investment goes into

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Speaker 2: finding you, training you, et cetera. But job hugging, if

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Speaker 2: that hug is real and it comes with love and

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Speaker 2: kisses and you really love it, then sure hug the job, right,

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Speaker 2: But it's if the hug is fake and you're keeping

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Speaker 2: your groins away exactly.

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Speaker 3: Yes, So this is how you can tell some people

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Speaker 3: realize the job. My dad has been doing the same

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Speaker 1: Yeah, right, it's great if it's not broke.

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Speaker 3: It's not exactly huge hug it tight take that money.

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Speaker 3: But there was a psychologist interviewed in this article, and

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Speaker 3: she said, if you get a lot of anxiety on

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Speaker 3: and if you feel trapped, then they're all signs that

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Speaker 3: you're hugging rather than just happy with where you are.

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Speaker 3: Are you guys noticing this even among friends and stuff?

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Speaker 1: I think so. But I have a theory that it's

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Speaker 1: not because of stability. I feel like it's flexibility that

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Speaker 1: to kind of earn the good will for flexibility. So true.

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Speaker 3: And apparently all the stats say as well that job

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Speaker 3: And that's because of you know, the economic climate right now.

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Speaker 2: But that makes sense about the flexibility because obviously there's

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Speaker 2: Sometimes you'll take flexibility over more money. Sometimes you'll take

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Speaker 2: absolutely not. It's all about the dollar dollar bills. I mean,

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Speaker 1: You're like, huh, yeah, you'd have to negotiate that all

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Speaker 3: So a few years ago they were talking about quiet

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Speaker 3: of those and I was like, I think they're totally

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Speaker 3: compatible with job hugging. I think you can do all

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Speaker 2: Okay, I've got a theory, but before I explain the

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Speaker 2: of a recommendation. Okay, have either of you two watched

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Speaker 2: The Royal Rebels on Netflix? No, I'm offended. I've been

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Speaker 2: telling you that the word royal in it. I've been

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Speaker 2: telling Jess to watch it four weeks so I've offended.

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Speaker 3: But I started Slow Horses. Has anyone watched Slow Horn?

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Speaker 2: Amazing? Did you start at season one? I did, mate,

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Speaker 2: It's one of the best things on TV.

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Speaker 3: Well, there's a bonus recommendation there, you go.

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Speaker 2: Some of my recommendations are good tough, all right, So

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Speaker 2: what The Royal Rebels is. It's one of those PR

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like a movie length documentary made directed by

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Speaker 2: So very very classy, well made docco but made one

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Speaker 2: hundred percent with the cooperation of the royals in question

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Speaker 2: and the royals in question. It's about a Norwegian princess,

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Speaker 2: like Prince Harry, and that she could be the more

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Speaker 2: rebellious one right, called Marta Louise, And it follows the

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Speaker 1: This is probably something I should know by this age,

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Speaker 2: Please? I have been dying telling you. So a shaman

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Speaker 2: They claim sometimes that they can heal the sick, they

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Speaker 2: can manifest they can guide souls. And he of course direct,

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Speaker 2: which he makes him all the more fun. Direct veric

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Speaker 2: he's called is a Hollywood sharman, and among his clients

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Speaker 2: in the past have been my friend Gwyneth Paltrow.

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Speaker 3: Of course, is Derek White.

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Speaker 2: No, so Drek is from California, so he's American, but

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Speaker 2: so he's a sharman. He also is this is just

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Speaker 2: he's attracted to people's souls and the person whose soul

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Speaker 2: documentary is our mate, Marta Luise. She is a grown

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Speaker 2: but they are lovely. She is lovely, like just the

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Speaker 2: loveliest right. But she herself has always been a big searcher,

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Speaker 2: but anyway, this doco is great because it basically follows them.

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Speaker 2: They've been dating now since twenty eighteen, so quite a

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Speaker 2: hyper visibility, Like why not? Right, So they have this big,

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Speaker 2: of course are horribly racist against him and also suggesting

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Speaker 2: that he's blackmailing her, that there's something really dodgy about him.

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Speaker 2: And the King of Norway comes out at one point

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Speaker 2: the heads in and that they are being racist. This

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Speaker 2: was all happening around the same time as Harry and Meggs,

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Speaker 2: and Harry actually called out that statement a one time

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Speaker 2: and said, I wish my family would do this, but

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Speaker 2: they won't. Really, so this was all going on at

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Speaker 2: the same time. Okay, but it's really good doco and

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Speaker 2: I couldn'tcommend it enough. But it's also very interesting, which

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Speaker 2: leads me to my theory in that watching this woman

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Speaker 2: who could pretty much have dated anyone in the world

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Speaker 2: right in terms of the fact she's got status, she's

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Speaker 2: got money, she's charismatic, attractive, she's got her kids out

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Speaker 2: very interesting experiential spiritual leader, which brings me to our

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Speaker 2: princess generation princes absolute My princess Princess Jen She's got

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Speaker 2: a new boyfriend and he's called Jim Curtis. They've been

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Speaker 2: seen together since June this year. Lots of photographs, a

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Speaker 2: bit of handholding, holidays, dinners, etcetera, etcetera. Jesse, Who the

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Speaker 3: Tell the people He's a forty nine year old hypnotist. Yes,

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Speaker 3: Hiss bio is My mission is to help you heal

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Speaker 2: Like manifest and yeah, yeah, because that's what Durex doing

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Speaker 3: It's very la as well. So this Jim apparently wants

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Speaker 1: Please?

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Speaker 3: How Jennifer Aniston fixed my broken?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 3: He start read on Yahoo? Okay.

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Speaker 3: But then I did read she's under the spell. That's

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Andrew Garfield's professional witch girlfriend got accused of putting

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Speaker 3: That's the thing. People aren't trustworthy because they're like, has

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Speaker 1: I was about to say this hollyway and right. I

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Speaker 3: Does your hypnost's boyfriend know any other hypnot.

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Speaker 2: I hope you've enjoyed this, this installment of scoreless gossip

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Speaker 3: Favor And can I throw in one more tarot card

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay, we're here.

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Speaker 3: So while we're here, so she said, I was gonna

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Speaker 3: Is it immoral to have a baby? Is the decision

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Speaker 3: physio After all of that. Every religion, as well as

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Speaker 3: But alongside pro natalism has been another taboo movement growing

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Speaker 3: All it does is create more suffering. That child doesn't

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Speaker 2: Jesus, is this making you feel really anxious because you're

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Speaker 3: Couple of babies exactly right? And I will say I

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Speaker 2: Anti natalists I think it's okay. I think I don't

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Speaker 4: Parents, don't get mad and I ask you this, Okay,

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Speaker 3: I suppose I would love to ask you both the

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Speaker 3: To do that much set up about, you know it's

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Speaker 2: that question is about asking a very intellectual, very theoretical,

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00:20:50,101 --> 00:20:57,262
Speaker 2: very philosophical question about such a personal primal decision. Is

432
00:20:57,302 --> 00:21:00,982
Speaker 2: it's almost impossible to separate them. I can probably separate

433
00:21:01,022 --> 00:21:03,581
Speaker 2: them a bit more now because my kids are older,

434
00:21:04,061 --> 00:21:05,941
Speaker 2: but that's not to say that this wasn't all around

435
00:21:06,101 --> 00:21:09,542
Speaker 2: then too. Like my youngest is thirteen. Certainly, the class

436
00:21:09,702 --> 00:21:12,342
Speaker 2: crisis has been a thing. My mum has always been

437
00:21:12,462 --> 00:21:15,221
Speaker 2: very much She's very you know, outspoken boomer that she is.

438
00:21:15,502 --> 00:21:17,621
Speaker 2: You should never have more than two. Sorry, Jesse, you're.

439
00:21:17,462 --> 00:21:20,661
Speaker 1: Gonna but it's okay, Jesse. I only have one, so

440
00:21:21,101 --> 00:21:25,621
Speaker 1: you and each other's fine. Her argument would be replace yourselves.

441
00:21:26,262 --> 00:21:28,182
Speaker 1: So this argument's been going on for a long time.

442
00:21:28,502 --> 00:21:32,502
Speaker 1: I don't feel attacked by this idea, but what I

443
00:21:32,542 --> 00:21:36,022
Speaker 1: do understand is that this concept sort of exposes my

444
00:21:36,061 --> 00:21:40,941
Speaker 1: limitations because I feel deeply for the state of the world,

445
00:21:41,302 --> 00:21:44,181
Speaker 1: but I also have to look at my kids and

446
00:21:44,262 --> 00:21:47,221
Speaker 1: kind of think, and I know this is very imperfect thinking.

447
00:21:48,101 --> 00:21:54,302
Speaker 1: Every generation has its challenges, so'll figure it out. Wildly optimistic,

448
00:21:54,621 --> 00:21:59,341
Speaker 1: I would suggest how I found this question very confronting.

449
00:21:59,381 --> 00:22:01,702
Speaker 1: I remember watching this video for the first time, but

450
00:22:01,782 --> 00:22:04,421
Speaker 1: the main reason I found it confronting is because I

451
00:22:04,462 --> 00:22:07,622
Speaker 1: probably didn't interrogate that at all. And I think if

452
00:22:07,621 --> 00:22:09,982
Speaker 1: you ask a lot of people, definitely not in gen Z.

453
00:22:10,061 --> 00:22:12,302
Speaker 1: I think they are a lot more considered with their

454
00:22:12,341 --> 00:22:15,141
Speaker 1: decision making around whether to start a family or not.

455
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Speaker 1: And we should say that this is not talking about

456
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Speaker 1: people who choose to be child free. No's an anti

457
00:22:20,782 --> 00:22:23,462
Speaker 1: natal movement. They're talking about regardless of whether you want

458
00:22:23,502 --> 00:22:25,742
Speaker 1: one or not, you should do it. Yea, yeah, yeah,

459
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Speaker 1: But I think the millennials are probably the last generation

460
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Speaker 1: that kind of just went along with you know, that's

461
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Speaker 1: what you do. You get married and you have a kid.

462
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Speaker 1: The majority of us probably thought about what we wanted

463
00:22:36,982 --> 00:22:40,422
Speaker 1: and not really so much around what would the state

464
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Speaker 1: of the world be once we had those children. Do

465
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Speaker 1: you feel the same We're around the same age.

466
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Speaker 3: I reckon I did think about it. I had a

467
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Speaker 3: moment with my family that I've talked about. They got

468
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Speaker 3: trapped in a bush fire just before twenty twenty, so

469
00:22:52,621 --> 00:22:55,061
Speaker 3: end of twenty nineteen, and it was like summer fliers,

470
00:22:55,222 --> 00:22:58,701
Speaker 3: YEP and apocalyptic experience. They got trapped. The sky was

471
00:22:59,022 --> 00:23:02,782
Speaker 3: black red for days, fridges were broken. I could barely

472
00:23:02,821 --> 00:23:06,502
Speaker 3: contact them, like it was terrifying, and I I've always

473
00:23:06,621 --> 00:23:12,141
Speaker 3: been really engaged in discussions about climate change because it

474
00:23:12,462 --> 00:23:15,302
Speaker 3: terrifies me and because you know, I believe in it.

475
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Speaker 3: And then I think I've come to the conclusion that

476
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Speaker 3: not every decision is an intellectual one, and then I

477
00:23:27,022 --> 00:23:29,182
Speaker 3: think what we try and do is intellectualize it after

478
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Speaker 3: the fact. I know a lot of people in their

479
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Speaker 3: twenties who say I don't want children for this reason.

480
00:23:35,341 --> 00:23:37,181
Speaker 3: A lot of my friends were exactly the same. They

481
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Speaker 3: were going, I'm not bringing children into this world. And

482
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Speaker 3: then you hit your mid thirties and something changes. And

483
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Speaker 3: I am not saying that, even just anecdotally, statistically something changes.

484
00:23:46,222 --> 00:23:48,061
Speaker 3: There is all this data that says for all the

485
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Speaker 3: talk about climate and people saying that it terrifies them

486
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Speaker 3: when it comes to having kids, the actual impact when

487
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Speaker 3: people don't have kids, it might be because they don't

488
00:24:00,022 --> 00:24:04,782
Speaker 3: have a partner, or because finances or whatever like generally.

489
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Speaker 2: But it is true that the birth rate is dropping.

490
00:24:06,942 --> 00:24:08,742
Speaker 2: It is just not for this reason.

491
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Speaker 3: Yes, I'm sure that there are some there are absolutely

492
00:24:11,182 --> 00:24:12,821
Speaker 3: going to be people listening who are like, that's why

493
00:24:12,861 --> 00:24:16,022
Speaker 3: I didn't have them, But statistically it's not as relevant

494
00:24:16,061 --> 00:24:19,022
Speaker 3: as some other reasons. But another comment I saw on

495
00:24:19,101 --> 00:24:21,982
Speaker 3: Abby Chatfield's video that did resonate with me was that

496
00:24:22,022 --> 00:24:25,302
Speaker 3: it's a radical act of optimism. And I've never been

497
00:24:25,341 --> 00:24:28,422
Speaker 3: more future oriented. That is not to say people without

498
00:24:28,502 --> 00:24:32,061
Speaker 3: children are not, but never been more future oriented since

499
00:24:32,101 --> 00:24:35,022
Speaker 3: having Luna. I always think that when Luna came along,

500
00:24:35,022 --> 00:24:37,542
Speaker 3: I went from being a fundamental pessimist to an optimist

501
00:24:37,661 --> 00:24:39,462
Speaker 3: because I had to be like I had to look

502
00:24:39,462 --> 00:24:41,941
Speaker 3: at the future and go things are going to be great,

503
00:24:42,462 --> 00:24:45,461
Speaker 3: whether or not. I truly believe that. I think you.

504
00:24:45,982 --> 00:24:49,901
Speaker 2: Look around and things are probably not going to be

505
00:24:49,942 --> 00:24:53,101
Speaker 2: great in all kinds of ways. But on an individual level,

506
00:24:53,182 --> 00:24:55,021
Speaker 2: you could look around and point to people who are

507
00:24:55,022 --> 00:24:57,662
Speaker 2: really trying to do really good things, you know, yes,

508
00:24:57,821 --> 00:25:00,661
Speaker 2: And you can point to the just ordinary acts of

509
00:25:00,821 --> 00:25:03,101
Speaker 2: kindness and generosity that around you all the time that

510
00:25:03,101 --> 00:25:05,581
Speaker 2: you suddenly become almost more aware of when you're forced

511
00:25:05,621 --> 00:25:08,061
Speaker 2: into a community you know which you are when you

512
00:25:08,141 --> 00:25:10,701
Speaker 2: have kids. One of the things that was really interesting

513
00:25:10,702 --> 00:25:13,421
Speaker 2: about breeze essay, which I thought was very even handed

514
00:25:13,422 --> 00:25:16,702
Speaker 2: in kind of exploring different ideas, is she had some

515
00:25:17,101 --> 00:25:19,221
Speaker 2: experts in that saying that even the idea of an

516
00:25:19,262 --> 00:25:22,901
Speaker 2: individual carbon footprint is kind of bullshit that was invented

517
00:25:23,502 --> 00:25:26,502
Speaker 2: to make us feel like it wasn't really the big

518
00:25:26,581 --> 00:25:29,422
Speaker 2: cul driven corporations who are screwing the world, but us

519
00:25:29,502 --> 00:25:32,502
Speaker 2: in our decision whether or not to have a baby.

520
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Speaker 2: The other hand, she explored that people, you know, there

521
00:25:35,462 --> 00:25:38,341
Speaker 2: are some very hard core antinalists who genuinely believe that

522
00:25:38,462 --> 00:25:42,621
Speaker 2: human extinction is the only morally superior option. And that

523
00:25:42,742 --> 00:25:43,581
Speaker 2: just feels like.

524
00:25:43,661 --> 00:25:46,941
Speaker 3: So yes, there is something within this movement that feels

525
00:25:46,982 --> 00:25:49,782
Speaker 3: so nihilistic and so despairing, and it reminded me of

526
00:25:49,782 --> 00:25:53,222
Speaker 3: this essay. I read about a term called despair signaling, right,

527
00:25:53,341 --> 00:25:57,581
Speaker 3: and it was saying that kind of especially online, there's

528
00:25:57,621 --> 00:26:02,542
Speaker 3: this smugness or this like trend of performing who can

529
00:26:02,581 --> 00:26:06,181
Speaker 3: be the most hopeless and going see I saw this coming,

530
00:26:06,462 --> 00:26:10,702
Speaker 3: or like looking at climate change or looking it horrific

531
00:26:10,782 --> 00:26:13,061
Speaker 3: atrocity is going on all over the world and being

532
00:26:13,141 --> 00:26:16,341
Speaker 3: like we're fucked and just basically putting your arms up.

533
00:26:16,422 --> 00:26:19,502
Speaker 3: And I'm like, I just refuse to live like that.

534
00:26:19,621 --> 00:26:21,982
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't think that we should play down

535
00:26:22,101 --> 00:26:24,222
Speaker 3: how serious that climate change is here and that we're

536
00:26:24,262 --> 00:26:25,821
Speaker 3: existing in it, and that there are a lot of

537
00:26:25,821 --> 00:26:29,261
Speaker 3: frontiers that people and governments need to be fighting on.

538
00:26:29,661 --> 00:26:31,462
Speaker 3: But the second you throw your arms up is the

539
00:26:31,502 --> 00:26:36,742
Speaker 3: second everyone gives up. Like that just feels so disgustingly pessimistic,

540
00:26:36,821 --> 00:26:38,661
Speaker 3: like the future people are going to be around for

541
00:26:38,702 --> 00:26:41,142
Speaker 3: the future, whether or not you personally have children.

542
00:26:41,222 --> 00:26:43,182
Speaker 1: Yeah, And what I thought was really interesting that Brees

543
00:26:43,262 --> 00:26:45,661
Speaker 1: spoke about in that essay as well, was that a

544
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Speaker 1: lot of GenZ in particular site climate change and reducing

545
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Speaker 1: their emissions as a reason that they might not have

546
00:26:51,782 --> 00:26:54,502
Speaker 1: children or they're considering not having children. But there's a

547
00:26:54,542 --> 00:26:56,941
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four IPSOS report that talks about like the

548
00:26:56,982 --> 00:27:00,222
Speaker 1: three main ways you can reduce your carbon emissions. One

549
00:27:00,222 --> 00:27:03,502
Speaker 1: of them is to have one fewer child. So yeah, okay,

550
00:27:03,661 --> 00:27:06,022
Speaker 1: that probably explains why the birth rate's going down.

551
00:27:06,182 --> 00:27:08,302
Speaker 3: I like one fewer because I can have three and go, well,

552
00:27:08,302 --> 00:27:10,621
Speaker 3: I could have had four, Exactly, I could have ten

553
00:27:10,742 --> 00:27:12,502
Speaker 3: and go I could have had a leg Yeah.

554
00:27:12,381 --> 00:27:13,942
Speaker 1: Or you can just take I'm one of the ones

555
00:27:13,982 --> 00:27:19,861
Speaker 1: and have But the other two were to not have

556
00:27:19,901 --> 00:27:23,821
Speaker 1: a car and to take one fewer flight. And I

557
00:27:23,861 --> 00:27:27,742
Speaker 1: feel like both of those things are probably more achievable options,

558
00:27:27,861 --> 00:27:30,901
Speaker 1: or different options for people rather than just choosing to

559
00:27:30,942 --> 00:27:32,901
Speaker 1: deny themselves a child if they want to have a

560
00:27:32,942 --> 00:27:34,502
Speaker 1: child and feel like they could give a child a

561
00:27:34,502 --> 00:27:35,702
Speaker 1: good life, right, yeah.

562
00:27:35,581 --> 00:27:37,941
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I really like what you were saying wholly

563
00:27:37,982 --> 00:27:42,061
Speaker 3: about individualism, because Brie says in this essay that many

564
00:27:42,101 --> 00:27:45,022
Speaker 3: people are annoyed by the idea that their most personal decision,

565
00:27:45,061 --> 00:27:47,021
Speaker 3: which is whether or not just become a parent, is

566
00:27:47,061 --> 00:27:50,421
Speaker 3: influenced by guilt for scale of harm, for profit. No

567
00:27:50,542 --> 00:27:55,462
Speaker 3: individual human brain can conceptualize. I can't. I'm actually not equipped.

568
00:27:55,782 --> 00:27:58,302
Speaker 1: I feel like I can't take that on exactly.

569
00:27:58,422 --> 00:28:00,102
Speaker 2: And that's kind of what I mean when I say,

570
00:28:00,141 --> 00:28:02,022
Speaker 2: when I look at my kids and I think about

571
00:28:02,022 --> 00:28:05,502
Speaker 2: this without wanting to downplay the seriousness of many terrifying

572
00:28:05,502 --> 00:28:08,141
Speaker 2: things that are happening around the world, I just can't

573
00:28:08,182 --> 00:28:11,382
Speaker 2: project that onto them. I just have to imagine that

574
00:28:11,661 --> 00:28:13,982
Speaker 2: to a certain point, they will figure it out, as

575
00:28:13,982 --> 00:28:18,022
Speaker 2: I say. But also I can see the appeal of

576
00:28:18,061 --> 00:28:21,382
Speaker 2: the doom pool, right even though as a even though

577
00:28:21,422 --> 00:28:24,502
Speaker 2: as a parent, I have to be optimistic, and there

578
00:28:24,502 --> 00:28:26,621
Speaker 2: are lots of reasons to be optimistic, as I just said,

579
00:28:26,621 --> 00:28:29,581
Speaker 2: and in my everyday life, there are plenty of reasons

580
00:28:29,581 --> 00:28:32,661
Speaker 2: to be optimistic. But one of the things that I

581
00:28:32,742 --> 00:28:35,861
Speaker 2: think is really appealing about the nihilistic view is because

582
00:28:35,901 --> 00:28:39,022
Speaker 2: it does feel we're all extremely online. We've talked about

583
00:28:39,022 --> 00:28:42,382
Speaker 2: this lots of times. It does feel like everywhere you

584
00:28:42,462 --> 00:28:47,622
Speaker 2: look something is broken. So sometimes there's something actually comforting

585
00:28:47,661 --> 00:28:50,142
Speaker 2: about somebody saying, yes, you're right. It is like we

586
00:28:50,222 --> 00:28:52,782
Speaker 2: are living in really difficult times. This is why you

587
00:28:52,822 --> 00:28:56,542
Speaker 2: need a hypnotist boyfriend. But so I can see the

588
00:28:56,582 --> 00:28:59,742
Speaker 2: appeal of it. You know, once you've once you are

589
00:28:59,782 --> 00:29:03,262
Speaker 2: looking at the next generation and the next generation, a

590
00:29:03,302 --> 00:29:05,981
Speaker 2: lot of things have improved, and you know what, the

591
00:29:05,982 --> 00:29:08,022
Speaker 2: doom tunnel, you don't got to do anything in it,

592
00:29:08,262 --> 00:29:11,462
Speaker 2: Like once you've accepted that, Like, once you've accepted doom,

593
00:29:11,902 --> 00:29:14,981
Speaker 2: it's totally apathetic. The best climate scientists in the world

594
00:29:15,062 --> 00:29:18,222
Speaker 2: will tell you, like, doom is not where we're at.

595
00:29:18,262 --> 00:29:20,421
Speaker 2: They're not where they want us to be at. Like

596
00:29:20,462 --> 00:29:23,262
Speaker 2: I remember going to the Great Barrier Reef and speaking

597
00:29:23,262 --> 00:29:25,582
Speaker 2: to these environmentalists and people who work there, and they

598
00:29:25,622 --> 00:29:28,222
Speaker 2: were like, doom is our enemy. That is the life

599
00:29:28,302 --> 00:29:30,702
Speaker 2: support that they're going to pull out if we don't

600
00:29:30,742 --> 00:29:32,622
Speaker 2: start to invest in hope here.

601
00:29:32,702 --> 00:29:35,542
Speaker 3: So I quite. I quite like the idea of like

602
00:29:35,742 --> 00:29:39,542
Speaker 3: choosing resistance. That doesn't mean that you're choosing kids. But

603
00:29:39,582 --> 00:29:42,941
Speaker 3: there's also such to think that we are bad, we

604
00:29:43,062 --> 00:29:46,462
Speaker 3: are born for suffering. I just go I fundamentally don't

605
00:29:46,462 --> 00:29:49,382
Speaker 3: agree with that. I'm going to choose a bit of.

606
00:29:49,382 --> 00:29:51,342
Speaker 2: Joy, my goodness that I never thought i'd see the

607
00:29:51,422 --> 00:29:53,742
Speaker 2: day with my friend Jesse Stephens is the one choosing

608
00:29:53,822 --> 00:29:55,661
Speaker 2: joy and hope. I love it about you, I know.

609
00:29:55,822 --> 00:29:57,462
Speaker 2: I do want to say, though, I don't think there's

610
00:29:57,502 --> 00:29:59,862
Speaker 2: anything wrong with having this conversation. I think it's all

611
00:29:59,982 --> 00:30:01,701
Speaker 2: right for us to have any conversation. It is.

612
00:30:01,742 --> 00:30:04,262
Speaker 3: But don't you think too that we're talking pro nat

613
00:30:04,342 --> 00:30:07,262
Speaker 3: lestandi na da da da da da, these big broad

614
00:30:07,342 --> 00:30:10,342
Speaker 3: economic policies. It's just not how people this. The choice

615
00:30:10,342 --> 00:30:13,221
Speaker 3: to have a child is not Maybe it is for

616
00:30:13,262 --> 00:30:16,701
Speaker 3: some people. For me, it's not a philosophical or intellectual exercise.

617
00:30:16,982 --> 00:30:19,221
Speaker 3: I really like what Briley says about I want to

618
00:30:19,222 --> 00:30:20,142
Speaker 3: do the Moraley right thing.

619
00:30:20,622 --> 00:30:23,262
Speaker 1: Of course one of us willingly going against it. Yeah,

620
00:30:23,622 --> 00:30:26,302
Speaker 1: we don't want to harm the planet. Yeah, that's not

621
00:30:26,582 --> 00:30:28,542
Speaker 1: the main consideration when a child.

622
00:30:28,661 --> 00:30:31,982
Speaker 3: Her final line is basically it would be the most

623
00:30:31,982 --> 00:30:34,662
Speaker 3: cynical conclusion of all that we are just mere animals,

624
00:30:34,702 --> 00:30:37,261
Speaker 3: beyond the reach of persuasion or philosophy. I don't think

625
00:30:37,262 --> 00:30:37,822
Speaker 3: it's cynical.

626
00:30:37,862 --> 00:30:38,661
Speaker 1: I think it's true.

627
00:30:38,782 --> 00:30:40,542
Speaker 3: I think that's what I am, a mere animal.

628
00:30:42,222 --> 00:30:44,502
Speaker 1: Last weekend, we had a long weekend in many parts

629
00:30:44,502 --> 00:30:46,742
Speaker 1: of Australia and if you were lucky, you might have

630
00:30:46,822 --> 00:30:49,382
Speaker 1: gone to dinner with mates or on a weekend away.

631
00:30:49,742 --> 00:30:52,142
Speaker 1: I didn't because I'm not organized enough and I seem

632
00:30:52,182 --> 00:30:54,382
Speaker 1: to forget every long weekend is coming. I know.

633
00:30:54,422 --> 00:30:56,181
Speaker 2: It started the Victorians listening and going to be like

634
00:30:56,302 --> 00:30:58,742
Speaker 2: I didn't get one, Well you got one the week before. Yeah, okay,

635
00:30:58,862 --> 00:31:01,702
Speaker 2: we're sharing them around. Everybody's got one different. Take one

636
00:31:01,702 --> 00:31:03,501
Speaker 2: for Melbourne they get, oh yeah they do, but they

637
00:31:03,542 --> 00:31:06,142
Speaker 2: get one for the AFL Gram final. So they had

638
00:31:06,182 --> 00:31:08,382
Speaker 2: one last weekend. And then I saw lots about loud

639
00:31:08,382 --> 00:31:10,421
Speaker 2: as saying because we obvious we call this podcast in

640
00:31:10,422 --> 00:31:12,701
Speaker 2: New South Wales, but it was the Labor Day holiday

641
00:31:12,742 --> 00:31:14,302
Speaker 2: and I saw it out loud As discussing why there

642
00:31:14,342 --> 00:31:16,302
Speaker 2: wasn't an episode, and someone said, oh, it's the NRL

643
00:31:16,342 --> 00:31:18,782
Speaker 2: Gram final, and I said, like that was fun. It

644
00:31:18,822 --> 00:31:20,342
Speaker 2: was a very good game. But it is not why

645
00:31:20,422 --> 00:31:23,502
Speaker 2: we got to have public holiday anyway. We digress, you digress.

646
00:31:23,582 --> 00:31:25,702
Speaker 1: There's a new trend if you want to be doing

647
00:31:25,782 --> 00:31:28,382
Speaker 1: more weekends away with your mates, that might make that

648
00:31:28,542 --> 00:31:31,062
Speaker 1: more achievable. And that's their friend groups and now setting

649
00:31:31,102 --> 00:31:34,542
Speaker 1: up joint savings accounts with the pure purpose of saving

650
00:31:34,582 --> 00:31:36,862
Speaker 1: money to go and do more things together. So we

651
00:31:37,142 --> 00:31:40,102
Speaker 1: so much tell me how that works. Yeah, okay, So

652
00:31:40,382 --> 00:31:41,982
Speaker 1: on Mom and Me, we ran a story about a woman,

653
00:31:42,062 --> 00:31:44,062
Speaker 1: Kim Brindle, and she kind of laid out how they

654
00:31:44,102 --> 00:31:45,981
Speaker 1: do it. So her and her five friends in her

655
00:31:45,982 --> 00:31:48,701
Speaker 1: friendship group decided on ten dollars a week. They were like,

656
00:31:48,742 --> 00:31:50,582
Speaker 1: they're all at different points in their career. Some are

657
00:31:50,622 --> 00:31:52,502
Speaker 1: on matt leave, so they just wanted to kind of

658
00:31:52,502 --> 00:31:55,382
Speaker 1: pick an achievable number that everyone can set and forget.

659
00:31:55,622 --> 00:31:57,942
Speaker 1: They put ten bucks a week into this joint account.

660
00:31:58,222 --> 00:32:00,461
Speaker 1: So at the end, you've got this nice pot of money.

661
00:32:00,502 --> 00:32:02,382
Speaker 1: So you could go on a weekend trip away, you

662
00:32:02,422 --> 00:32:03,941
Speaker 1: could use it just to go to dinner, whatever you

663
00:32:04,022 --> 00:32:04,742
Speaker 1: want to use it for.

664
00:32:05,022 --> 00:32:06,062
Speaker 3: Oh I like that.

665
00:32:06,262 --> 00:32:09,022
Speaker 1: It's great, right because genius It kind of forces you

666
00:32:09,102 --> 00:32:11,822
Speaker 1: into doing something. You've saved the money. Now the money's there,

667
00:32:11,822 --> 00:32:14,221
Speaker 1: you've got to use it, and it stops the worst

668
00:32:14,222 --> 00:32:16,941
Speaker 1: part of any group trip, which is the constant transferring

669
00:32:16,942 --> 00:32:18,822
Speaker 1: of money between each other after the meals.

670
00:32:19,142 --> 00:32:21,462
Speaker 3: Okay, but what if we have a big falling out?

671
00:32:21,661 --> 00:32:22,462
Speaker 1: What then? Oh?

672
00:32:22,862 --> 00:32:23,622
Speaker 2: What like this?

673
00:32:24,582 --> 00:32:27,902
Speaker 3: How about financial abuse? Maybe someone could set up the

674
00:32:27,902 --> 00:32:30,102
Speaker 3: bank account then disappear. This is going to be the

675
00:32:30,102 --> 00:32:31,102
Speaker 3: next Tinder swindler?

676
00:32:31,182 --> 00:32:35,102
Speaker 2: What happened to my hopeful little mere? Can? I think so,

677
00:32:35,222 --> 00:32:39,582
Speaker 2: pessanvely Joy, I think this is genius, as you say, Stacy,

678
00:32:39,622 --> 00:32:42,261
Speaker 2: So I have this one girl's trip every year and

679
00:32:42,262 --> 00:32:44,181
Speaker 2: people always say I wish I did that, or my

680
00:32:44,262 --> 00:32:46,942
Speaker 2: mother's God. But the only reason that happens is because

681
00:32:46,942 --> 00:32:48,941
Speaker 2: it is locked in, you know what I mean, Like

682
00:32:48,982 --> 00:32:52,421
Speaker 2: it's in the calendar every year. It's not like a

683
00:32:52,542 --> 00:32:55,182
Speaker 2: maybe should we where will we? It's like it's happening.

684
00:32:55,702 --> 00:32:59,102
Speaker 2: And this is a genius idea because for that very reason,

685
00:32:59,182 --> 00:33:01,182
Speaker 2: and even if you don't go away, the idea that

686
00:33:01,182 --> 00:33:03,542
Speaker 2: that's the fund that means that if you do go

687
00:33:03,542 --> 00:33:06,862
Speaker 2: out for girls dinner or whatever, that will pay for it.

688
00:33:06,862 --> 00:33:09,142
Speaker 2: It takes that stress out of it because the worst

689
00:33:09,142 --> 00:33:11,421
Speaker 2: thing about the group trip if you do it and

690
00:33:11,502 --> 00:33:13,221
Speaker 2: it creeps up and suddenly it's like the flights are

691
00:33:13,222 --> 00:33:15,422
Speaker 2: three hundred dollars and you're that is not a moment

692
00:33:15,462 --> 00:33:18,661
Speaker 2: when you've got three hundred dollars, then that's the reason

693
00:33:18,661 --> 00:33:20,302
Speaker 2: why you go I can't do it.

694
00:33:20,462 --> 00:33:22,662
Speaker 1: Yeah, And if you can't go away, you could use

695
00:33:22,702 --> 00:33:24,421
Speaker 1: this for other things, like you could just go on

696
00:33:24,542 --> 00:33:26,701
Speaker 1: like a group shopping spirit. You could just go to

697
00:33:26,742 --> 00:33:29,542
Speaker 1: Mecca together. You know, like it doesn't do you know

698
00:33:29,582 --> 00:33:31,382
Speaker 1: how fun would that be to be like free money

699
00:33:32,022 --> 00:33:35,302
Speaker 1: shopping spree day. Yeah. So there's lots of ways you

700
00:33:35,302 --> 00:33:37,102
Speaker 1: could use and I just think everyone should do it.

701
00:33:37,142 --> 00:33:38,862
Speaker 1: I'm setting one up immediately.

702
00:33:38,942 --> 00:33:41,502
Speaker 2: After the break. We have got recommendations for your weekend

703
00:33:41,702 --> 00:33:45,822
Speaker 2: and the most fun homework anyone will ever give you ever.

704
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705
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Speaker 3: and Thursday exclusively for Mum and MEA subscribers. Follow the

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Speaker 3: link in the show notes to get us in your

707
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Speaker 3: ears five days a week. And a huge thank you

708
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Speaker 2: Vibes, I Yah, Atmosphereping, Casualping fun.

710
00:34:12,742 --> 00:34:14,261
Speaker 1: This is my best recommendation.

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00:34:15,902 --> 00:34:18,661
Speaker 3: It's Friday, so we want to help set up your

712
00:34:18,701 --> 00:34:23,142
Speaker 3: weekend with our very best recommendations, Stacy, why don't you

713
00:34:23,142 --> 00:34:23,622
Speaker 3: go first?

714
00:34:23,701 --> 00:34:26,062
Speaker 1: Okay, I will. I'm busting to talk about this one.

715
00:34:26,181 --> 00:34:27,701
Speaker 1: I want to recommend a show that I feel like

716
00:34:27,741 --> 00:34:29,701
Speaker 1: has flown under the radar. So I don't know whether

717
00:34:29,741 --> 00:34:31,701
Speaker 1: you'll have seen it, but I love it as much

718
00:34:31,701 --> 00:34:34,861
Speaker 1: as I love Friends, and that's a big call. I

719
00:34:34,902 --> 00:34:37,261
Speaker 1: think it should be at that level. It's Shrinking.

720
00:34:37,422 --> 00:34:38,502
Speaker 2: Oh, I love Shrinking.

721
00:34:38,622 --> 00:34:39,222
Speaker 1: It's good.

722
00:34:39,382 --> 00:34:42,622
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, with Paris and Ford and yes, singy. What's

723
00:34:42,661 --> 00:34:43,422
Speaker 2: his name, Jason?

724
00:34:43,701 --> 00:34:48,302
Speaker 1: Yes, Jason's Paris and Ford Jason Siegel. And it's written

725
00:34:48,342 --> 00:34:52,382
Speaker 1: by my imaginary boyfriend, maybe yours too, Holly. In a

726
00:34:52,422 --> 00:34:56,341
Speaker 1: weird crossover of our generations. Brett Goldstein, who plays Roy

727
00:34:56,462 --> 00:34:59,022
Speaker 1: Kent on Ted Lasso, he wrote this show.

728
00:34:59,142 --> 00:35:00,221
Speaker 2: Why it's so good?

729
00:35:00,502 --> 00:35:03,422
Speaker 1: It's brilliant, and he actually comes in as a cameo.

730
00:35:03,661 --> 00:35:04,341
Speaker 1: You'll have to look out.

731
00:35:04,422 --> 00:35:06,702
Speaker 3: And it's about because I've seen a little bit of it.

732
00:35:06,701 --> 00:35:08,102
Speaker 3: It's really warm.

733
00:35:08,221 --> 00:35:09,062
Speaker 2: It's like a kettle.

734
00:35:09,781 --> 00:35:10,741
Speaker 3: Someone's a psychologists.

735
00:35:10,982 --> 00:35:13,861
Speaker 1: All three of the main characters are psychologists that work

736
00:35:13,902 --> 00:35:15,822
Speaker 1: in the same practice, but it's a kind of about

737
00:35:15,822 --> 00:35:18,661
Speaker 1: their personal lives once they walk out of those sessions.

738
00:35:19,862 --> 00:35:20,942
Speaker 4: What's on your mind today?

739
00:35:21,302 --> 00:35:24,422
Speaker 2: Like, I want to change, but I'm not particularly open

740
00:35:24,622 --> 00:35:26,022
Speaker 2: to make those changes.

741
00:35:26,261 --> 00:35:29,301
Speaker 1: I'm trying. Every time I get rid of one compulsion,

742
00:35:29,982 --> 00:35:31,261
Speaker 1: another compulsion comes up.

743
00:35:31,862 --> 00:35:34,622
Speaker 2: Are you yawning right now? Spoiler alert? I feel like

744
00:35:34,661 --> 00:35:41,022
Speaker 2: I'm stuck, right How does that make you feel?

745
00:35:44,781 --> 00:35:47,862
Speaker 1: Jimmy, where's it's three in the morning?

746
00:35:48,382 --> 00:35:48,982
Speaker 4: I'm sorry?

747
00:35:49,062 --> 00:35:49,901
Speaker 1: What's in that bull?

748
00:35:50,102 --> 00:35:50,542
Speaker 4: Pencils?

749
00:35:50,661 --> 00:35:54,941
Speaker 1: The other bull? Maybe some painkillers? Maybe there's painkillers in there. Yeah,

750
00:35:55,261 --> 00:35:56,982
Speaker 1: And it's very fun and warm, but it's also a

751
00:35:57,022 --> 00:35:59,942
Speaker 1: bit dark, like Jason Siegel's character has lost his wife

752
00:35:59,942 --> 00:36:01,661
Speaker 1: and is dealing with the loss of his wife and

753
00:36:01,701 --> 00:36:05,302
Speaker 1: like parenting his teenage daughter through that while he's struggling himself.

754
00:36:05,542 --> 00:36:07,462
Speaker 1: So there is some darker things to it. But it

755
00:36:07,781 --> 00:36:10,462
Speaker 1: is just the best, and it's one of those shows

756
00:36:10,502 --> 00:36:13,062
Speaker 1: that I think is a really good couples show, Like

757
00:36:13,142 --> 00:36:15,982
Speaker 1: if you find that you both have very different interests.

758
00:36:16,221 --> 00:36:17,902
Speaker 1: This is a show that like crosses over on the

759
00:36:17,982 --> 00:36:18,661
Speaker 1: ven diagram.

760
00:36:18,741 --> 00:36:20,381
Speaker 3: And where do you watch it?

761
00:36:20,382 --> 00:36:23,102
Speaker 1: It's on Apple. Yeah, two seasons out now and season

762
00:36:23,181 --> 00:36:24,901
Speaker 1: three will come out later in the year.

763
00:36:25,542 --> 00:36:28,142
Speaker 2: We watched season one and I loved it, and then

764
00:36:28,181 --> 00:36:29,821
Speaker 2: I think I watched like a couple of season two.

765
00:36:29,862 --> 00:36:31,462
Speaker 2: But then you know when shows just fall off your

766
00:36:31,542 --> 00:36:34,941
Speaker 2: radar for no good reason, So you've reminded me that's

767
00:36:34,982 --> 00:36:36,622
Speaker 2: really good. So there's a whole second season.

768
00:36:36,661 --> 00:36:39,502
Speaker 1: Yeah, second season, and then third will drop soon. So yeah,

769
00:36:39,542 --> 00:36:41,422
Speaker 1: it came back on to my radar. I'm now obsessed

770
00:36:41,462 --> 00:36:42,821
Speaker 1: and keep telling everyone to watch it.

771
00:36:43,502 --> 00:36:45,262
Speaker 3: Holly, how about you? What's your wraco?

772
00:36:45,422 --> 00:36:48,301
Speaker 2: I have a self serving reco this week because Mid

773
00:36:48,462 --> 00:36:51,421
Speaker 2: is back, which is the other podcast that I do,

774
00:36:51,822 --> 00:36:54,542
Speaker 2: which is Conversations for gen X women who are anything

775
00:36:54,582 --> 00:36:56,981
Speaker 2: but Mid because obviously we're not mad at all. That's

776
00:36:57,022 --> 00:37:03,502
Speaker 2: the joke of the titles. Clever Anyway. Anyway, we have

777
00:37:03,582 --> 00:37:06,821
Speaker 2: come back with six new episodes, and we've got six

778
00:37:06,902 --> 00:37:09,062
Speaker 2: conversations with really kick ass guests, and some of them

779
00:37:09,062 --> 00:37:10,702
Speaker 2: are really sad, and some of them are really funny,

780
00:37:10,701 --> 00:37:12,542
Speaker 2: and some of them really helpful. The one I want

781
00:37:12,542 --> 00:37:15,181
Speaker 2: to recommend today, this is personal for me, is that

782
00:37:15,221 --> 00:37:17,821
Speaker 2: I'm really trying after Jesse and me, I have been

783
00:37:17,862 --> 00:37:20,262
Speaker 2: banging on about it for ages to get my ass

784
00:37:20,302 --> 00:37:24,622
Speaker 2: back into a Jim routine and into exercise and into waits.

785
00:37:24,741 --> 00:37:27,821
Speaker 2: And so we got doctor Stacy Simson now you might

786
00:37:27,982 --> 00:37:31,902
Speaker 2: show her all because she went completely viral when a

787
00:37:31,942 --> 00:37:34,381
Speaker 2: few months ago, or maybe even almost a year ago,

788
00:37:34,582 --> 00:37:36,742
Speaker 2: when she was on the Mel Robins.

789
00:37:36,342 --> 00:37:38,502
Speaker 3: Podcast, we talked about her on out Loud, Yes we did.

790
00:37:38,542 --> 00:37:40,582
Speaker 2: We talked about her on out Loud because she basically

791
00:37:40,622 --> 00:37:42,981
Speaker 2: busted all these sort of myths that have been out

792
00:37:43,022 --> 00:37:46,902
Speaker 2: there about women and exercise. And she says that you know,

793
00:37:47,062 --> 00:37:49,221
Speaker 2: so much of everything we just take for granted, and

794
00:37:49,261 --> 00:37:51,062
Speaker 2: the advice we take, whether it's all the way from

795
00:37:51,102 --> 00:37:54,341
Speaker 2: intimittent fasting to cold plunging to this to that might

796
00:37:54,382 --> 00:37:56,741
Speaker 2: not be harmful or whatever, but all the experimentation on

797
00:37:56,741 --> 00:37:59,142
Speaker 2: it's been done by men. It's mind boggling really when

798
00:37:59,181 --> 00:38:01,741
Speaker 2: she gets into all that. But what's really helpful about

799
00:38:01,781 --> 00:38:05,701
Speaker 2: this episode is if you're like me and your relationship

800
00:38:05,701 --> 00:38:08,462
Speaker 2: with exercise and jim work, and this isn't true for

801
00:38:08,502 --> 00:38:10,661
Speaker 2: all the times in my life, I go through real phases,

802
00:38:10,862 --> 00:38:14,142
Speaker 2: you know, when I'm like really into it, loving it, sick,

803
00:38:14,302 --> 00:38:16,942
Speaker 2: feeling fantastic. Then it falls off my radar and then

804
00:38:16,982 --> 00:38:19,301
Speaker 2: it just feels like such a punish to get back

805
00:38:19,302 --> 00:38:22,462
Speaker 2: to it. She's very much about letting go of all

806
00:38:22,502 --> 00:38:26,142
Speaker 2: that bad energy around it and that sort of whipping

807
00:38:26,181 --> 00:38:29,022
Speaker 2: yourself in the gym, like working yourself to the bone.

808
00:38:29,142 --> 00:38:32,941
Speaker 2: She has really practical, smart advice about what you should do.

809
00:38:33,302 --> 00:38:36,181
Speaker 2: She's really practical, she's really feisty. I love her. She's

810
00:38:36,181 --> 00:38:38,782
Speaker 2: also the one who went viral for saying that women

811
00:38:38,862 --> 00:38:41,502
Speaker 2: shouldn't exercise first thing in the morning on an empty stomach,

812
00:38:41,542 --> 00:38:44,181
Speaker 2: and she told everyone to make protein coffee and that

813
00:38:44,542 --> 00:38:47,062
Speaker 2: went crazy. And she tells me all about that. I

814
00:38:47,062 --> 00:38:50,102
Speaker 2: haven't got around tonight yet. Anyway, if you're like me

815
00:38:50,661 --> 00:38:53,142
Speaker 2: and you're trying to literally find your way back to

816
00:38:53,181 --> 00:38:55,582
Speaker 2: the gym, seems to have fallen off your internal GPS.

817
00:38:56,741 --> 00:38:59,261
Speaker 2: This episode with Dr Stacy Simms is really good and

818
00:38:59,302 --> 00:39:01,381
Speaker 2: it's in your feed if you search mid.

819
00:39:01,502 --> 00:39:03,261
Speaker 3: I really really like her. I could listen to her

820
00:39:03,261 --> 00:39:06,342
Speaker 3: talk all day. My recommendation is something a bit different.

821
00:39:06,462 --> 00:39:09,421
Speaker 3: So I have been house sitting at me as well.

822
00:39:09,582 --> 00:39:13,102
Speaker 3: She's been away this perks Perks perks pecs and I

823
00:39:13,142 --> 00:39:14,982
Speaker 3: came into work the other day and I said, guys,

824
00:39:14,982 --> 00:39:18,301
Speaker 3: I have terrible news, and that is that I have

825
00:39:18,822 --> 00:39:23,142
Speaker 3: believed for my whole life that expensive hair care is

826
00:39:23,142 --> 00:39:26,622
Speaker 3: a ruse. Is absolute, like you don't need the fancy

827
00:39:26,661 --> 00:39:29,422
Speaker 3: stuff you need your just supermarket.

828
00:39:29,741 --> 00:39:30,102
Speaker 2: Yeah.

829
00:39:30,221 --> 00:39:32,341
Speaker 3: Someone told me that once and I've lived by it, right,

830
00:39:32,422 --> 00:39:33,542
Speaker 3: and so she.

831
00:39:33,622 --> 00:39:35,582
Speaker 2: Used to tell everybody that I used to say cheap

832
00:39:35,582 --> 00:39:36,341
Speaker 2: shampoos that go.

833
00:39:36,582 --> 00:39:39,662
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so this is right. I have been using

834
00:39:39,902 --> 00:39:43,382
Speaker 3: like the hairspray with the fifteen percent extra that you

835
00:39:43,422 --> 00:39:47,742
Speaker 3: get that's basically just chemicals. I've been using that forever. Anyway,

836
00:39:47,781 --> 00:39:50,221
Speaker 3: I go to MEAs and the woman, if you want

837
00:39:50,261 --> 00:39:52,901
Speaker 3: to know what her current hyperfixation is is hair care.

838
00:39:53,422 --> 00:39:55,261
Speaker 3: Because I walked in and went, wow, there are a

839
00:39:55,302 --> 00:39:57,661
Speaker 3: lot of products right just for everything.

840
00:39:57,302 --> 00:39:58,942
Speaker 1: And they are the ones who's left behind.

841
00:39:59,102 --> 00:40:00,062
Speaker 2: They're the ones left behind.

842
00:40:00,062 --> 00:40:02,022
Speaker 3: I don't know what she's taken, but I was like, okay,

843
00:40:02,062 --> 00:40:04,502
Speaker 3: well she'd want me to use it, and she would.

844
00:40:04,982 --> 00:40:08,462
Speaker 3: I had Claire's book launch the other week and I

845
00:40:08,542 --> 00:40:10,462
Speaker 3: kind of did a little luck hurly my hair and

846
00:40:10,502 --> 00:40:13,022
Speaker 3: I was like, what shall we use? And I thought, oh, look,

847
00:40:13,062 --> 00:40:15,261
Speaker 3: Kevin Murphy, there we go. I'll treat myself and I'll

848
00:40:15,302 --> 00:40:19,062
Speaker 3: use it. Kevin Murphy called bedroom hair and I used

849
00:40:19,062 --> 00:40:21,382
Speaker 3: it lovely smell and is.

850
00:40:21,382 --> 00:40:24,342
Speaker 2: It like astrising spray?

851
00:40:24,661 --> 00:40:26,981
Speaker 3: And I recognized the smell because I went, oh, this

852
00:40:27,062 --> 00:40:28,661
Speaker 3: is what when I've had my hair done for TV

853
00:40:28,781 --> 00:40:30,661
Speaker 3: and stuff, this is what they've used, so it must

854
00:40:30,741 --> 00:40:33,942
Speaker 3: be really good. And I went and I was like

855
00:40:34,062 --> 00:40:36,582
Speaker 3: it didn't have the crunchy and I always have the

856
00:40:36,582 --> 00:40:38,301
Speaker 3: crunchy thing and then I kind of brush it out

857
00:40:38,342 --> 00:40:41,901
Speaker 3: and it falls and whatever. But I was like, Oh,

858
00:40:41,942 --> 00:40:43,781
Speaker 3: this is holding really really well. And then I went

859
00:40:43,822 --> 00:40:46,661
Speaker 3: to bed that night work up Victoria's Secret Angel. I

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Speaker 3: But this is I looked it up because I didn't

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Speaker 3: purchase it. It's forty nine to ninety five, which feels

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Speaker 2: So And do do you have to use a lot

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Speaker 2: to make it happen?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 4: No, like a.

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Speaker 3: Tiny little beer And it's like you wouldn't even need

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Speaker 3: It's it's really good. And I've also been doing I

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Speaker 3: spray trick because she says you have to spray hair

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Speaker 3: they're really good.

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Speaker 2: I love it amazing. Or a homework, homework, homework, Oh yes,

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Speaker 2: our homework out louders. This won't be any surprise coming

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Speaker 2: But we want you to all have watched it so

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Speaker 3: You haven't even watched it, and you've come in with

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Speaker 2: Radical acceptance. I've told you all about it. This is

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Speaker 2: and talk about it together next week. You know it's

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Speaker 3: I could just We're giving you a whole weekend like

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Speaker 1: I'm excited.

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Speaker 2: A massive thank you to all of you out louders

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Speaker 2: for helping us put it together. Read this out, won't you?

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Speaker 3: Our group executive producer is Ruth Devine, executive producer is Sashatanic,

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Speaker 1: Porges, video producer is Josh Green, and our junior content

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Speaker 2: Friends. Are you in the squeeze stage of life? On

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