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Speaker 1: You're listening to a Muma Mea podcast. Mumma Mea acknowledges

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Speaker 1: is recorded on. Hi. I'm Claire Murphy. This is Mumma

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Speaker 1: MIA's twice daily news podcast, The Quickie. Today we'll get

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Speaker 1: you across the wildfires that continue to burn in LA,

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Speaker 1: those who've lost their lives as they defended their homes,

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Speaker 1: and why wildfire is burning in winter. And we'll also

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Speaker 1: discuss the fact that seventy six percent of Australians are

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Speaker 1: contemplating a job change this year. Are you one of them?

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Speaker 1: We'll look into the trends that the workplace is promising

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five, from tightening work from home rules

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Speaker 1: and in demand careers and industries. We'll explore the reasons

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Speaker 1: many Aussies are thinking of quitting and what your next

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Speaker 1: career move might have in store for you. But First

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Speaker 1: Years the Laters From the Cookie Newsroom, Monday, January thirteenth.

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Speaker 1: The devastating wildfires that have destroyed large slaves of La

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Speaker 1: continue to burn, with more than ten thousand buildings now lost.

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Speaker 1: The fires which have hit the region and what should

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Speaker 1: sixteen lives, with authorities expecting the death toll to rise.

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Speaker 1: Thirteen people are currently listed as missing. The Palisades Fire,

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Speaker 1: the largest of the Blazers, has consumed over eighty nine

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Speaker 1: hundred hectares or nearly ninety square kilometers of neighborhoods and

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Speaker 1: destroyed thousands of structures, making it potentially one of the

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Speaker 1: most destructive fires in Los Angeles County's history. Currently, there

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Speaker 1: are six fires burning simultaneously, including the Eaten Fire, which

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Speaker 1: has scorched more than ten thousand acres, and the newly

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Speaker 1: who've lost their lives include sixty six year old Victor Shaw,

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Speaker 1: Sixty seven year old amputee Anthony Mitchell died sitting at

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Speaker 1: They were waiting for an ambulance to come and get them.

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Speaker 1: Eighty two year old Rodney Nickoson died in his bed

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Speaker 1: after telling his daughter he thought it would be fine

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Speaker 1: raised his family in. Rleine Kelly told her granddaughter that

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Speaker 1: she didn't want to evacuate because the fires had never

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Speaker 1: Sam is an Aussie who's currently traveling in LA. She's

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Speaker 1: The fires are being fueled by Hurricane for Santa Anna winds,

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Speaker 4: that windy. This is before all the fire had actually

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Speaker 4: Do you remember the bush fires we had in twenty nineteen?

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Speaker 4: Very similar. There's ash falling from the sky. The air

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Speaker 4: The streets are pretty quiet. Usually the traffic is horrendous.

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Speaker 4: The last two days, the Ship Boulevard is empty, which

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Speaker 1: While wildfires typically peak between June and October, climate change

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Speaker 1: these unprecedented winter fires. The previous two winters brought unusually

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Speaker 1: Three three point eight million liter tanks in the Palisades

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Speaker 5: He had been left alone, and it turned out the

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Speaker 1: It was just There have been reports that recent funding

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Speaker 1: that this was not true and that they had doubled

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Speaker 1: The reality for a lot of the non celebrity homeowners

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Speaker 1: also lent a hand. Harry and Meghan quietly served food

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Speaker 1: plausible the Palisades Fire in particular will become the costliest

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Speaker 1: Counter Terrorism police have taken over the investigation of a

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Speaker 1: If you log into your LinkedIn account, you'll find yourself

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Speaker 1: next twelve months. For the very first time since a

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Speaker 1: it's actually been five years that percentage of us working

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Speaker 1: New South Wales public service employees are also back full time,

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Speaker 1: but the state government saying working from home should no

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Speaker 1: longer be taken for granted. Major banks, including NAB, say

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Speaker 7: It's interesting to see the jobs that are on the

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