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Speaker 1: You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast. From MoMA Mia.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to this spill your daily pop culture Fixed. I'm

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Speaker 2: Laura Brodnick and I'm Taver And coming up on the

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Speaker 2: show today, Margo Robbie told quite a scathing story about

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Speaker 2: a past co star at a book he gave her

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Speaker 2: that has gone completely viral. We're going to get into

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Speaker 2: that because I have a different take. Not that I

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Speaker 2: agree with the fat shaming. Man, I just someone's gonna

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Speaker 2: cook that.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna ge. Yeah, I think there's some stuff to

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Speaker 1: get into.

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Speaker 2: Plus, we saw firsthand this week how Hailey Baber shut

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Speaker 2: down Australia. People lost their minds, and so we're going

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Speaker 2: to talk about that. It's kind of the unspoken thing

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Speaker 2: about her.

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Speaker 1: What is the allure? How did we get here? How

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Speaker 1: does she have this level of power? Life's so many

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Speaker 1: questions and some theories we're going to get into.

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Speaker 2: But first, but first, so, my favorite show on this

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Speaker 2: planet at this moment in time, in particular whatever way

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Speaker 2: we're spinning is Bridgeton and season four, part two dropped

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Speaker 2: its trailer on the weekend, So maybe like the second

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Speaker 2: most romantic thing if you enjoyed Valentine's Day. I don't know,

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Speaker 2: but the trailer came.

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Speaker 1: The most romantic thing that happened, Yeah, pretty much. I

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Speaker 1: mean I think it was.

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Speaker 2: So the trailer came out Saturday morning. We were very

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Speaker 2: excited to see it, obviously knowing probably what's gonna happen,

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Speaker 2: but still nice to get a little teaser. So there

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Speaker 2: was a teaser when part one dropped, but this was

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Speaker 2: like a full trailer, with dramatic statements and longing looks

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Speaker 2: across rooms and all that jazz that we love so much.

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Speaker 2: So at the end of part one we had a

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Speaker 2: few things hanging in the balance, but in particular, Benedict

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Speaker 2: offered Sophie, you know, will you be my mistress? It

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Speaker 2: was the shocking question heard around the world. We were

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Speaker 2: all very depressed and upset.

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Speaker 1: About that one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so that was their big moment. They had their

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Speaker 2: hook up on the staircase, which was very symbolic because

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Speaker 2: it was the first time they had come from He

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Speaker 2: had come from the high, she'd come from the low,

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Speaker 2: and which is indicative of their stations in life.

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Speaker 1: And they met together in.

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Speaker 2: The staircase, had a little juicy hookup, and then he

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Speaker 2: uttered those words, will you be my mistress. The gasp

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Speaker 2: felt around the world, and people fell into camps if

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Speaker 2: they thought that was very appropriate and quite romantic.

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Speaker 1: All they thought he was a dirty dog and it

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Speaker 1: was awful. Have you what I talked about this? Like you?

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Speaker 2: You were angry at him. I've read the book, so

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Speaker 2: I knew it was going to happen multiple times. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I was still angry because watching it happen on screen,

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Speaker 2: like watching it happened to my poor girl Sophie and

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Speaker 2: watching her face fall.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was mad.

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Speaker 2: I wrote a whole story about it, so I know

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Speaker 2: what the heck did that Bridgeton boy just say to her?

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Speaker 2: And like, I get why he asked her, Right, we

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Speaker 2: are talking about a time in society where you couldn't

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Speaker 2: that was still considered a problem. Yeah, so obviously I

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Speaker 2: let's think through our words and our offers. I actually

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Speaker 2: thought it was quite the romantic gesture. But this is

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Speaker 2: only because that's all he could say to her. Oh

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Speaker 2: stair sex by I mean it was just a crazy

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Speaker 2: like I mean, she's just had probably her first like

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Speaker 2: she's already going through it. Stuff's already happening in her mind.

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Speaker 2: And then she's like, oh wait, he wants me to

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Speaker 2: be a mistress. What that's upsetting?

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Speaker 1: Not good?

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Speaker 2: Yes, and so, which leads us into part two. So

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Speaker 2: the trailer has picked up with where the two of

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Speaker 2: them stand now after Mistress Gate happened to Mistress. So

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Speaker 2: God Bay, Bennedic, no one cares about your letters, do you?

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Speaker 2: it's a little bit upsetting, But then what we see

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Speaker 2: Bridgeton family are going to respond to this. So our

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Speaker 2: And Anthony looks so like old and scruff.

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Speaker 1: Its amazing, it's so beautiful. Yeah, he looks like a

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Speaker 1: makes him hotter. So he looks like he could.

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Speaker 2: We only get that quick scene from him, and he

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Speaker 2: looks like he's pushing Benedict to be with Sophie, but

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Speaker 2: it can't be to marry her because he's the head

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Speaker 2: it's going to be him. And I think he's going

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Speaker 2: because those trips were long. You come home to your ledgers,

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Speaker 2: of everything, and your brother's just been like doodling, and.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you left her brother one job. He's never worked

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Speaker 2: You've been holding this entire family together, single job, with sisters.

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Speaker 2: You had to duel your sister's husband before marriage the duke.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot happening.

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Speaker 2: And then you almost married the wrong sister and then

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Speaker 1: Potentially, and on top of it all, and you've got

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Speaker 2: So much going on for that man, and all he

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Speaker 2: I've got bills to pay. So he's pissed. And the

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Speaker 2: in a violent way of like, we'll choose the girl,

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Speaker 2: just like go away. But at the same time, those

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Speaker 2: that obviously, like I know, I was being a brat

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Speaker 1: And then also Eloie is because she's still exactly, mistress exactly. Sorry,

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Speaker 2: Okay, but one of the big things that is evident

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Speaker 2: the bathtub scene. Okay, wait, what's the bathtub scene? I

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Speaker 2: what they've done here is they've learned their lesson from season.

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Speaker 1: Two, because season two is my favorite.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but the thing that was missing from season two

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Speaker 2: how the Kate and Anthony sex scene in season two

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Speaker 2: So I think fans are upset about that, and then

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Speaker 2: now they've learned, no, we do it exactly the same.

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Speaker 2: So is the bathtub I mean, don't tell me too

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Speaker 1: I'm just is the bathtub like her going.

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Speaker 2: her going in to do that and he's in the

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Speaker 2: bath or is she in the bath? Or do they

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Speaker 2: not like a gross maid's bath. And obviously all you

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Speaker 2: the bathroom. It's filled with beautiful rose petals and it's steaming,

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Speaker 2: and it's in a room with a fireplace and it's beautiful.

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Speaker 1: And what will happen? Oh my god, who could say?

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Speaker 1: I mean you could because you've read the book.

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Speaker 2: Yes, but it does happen in the final scene of.

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Speaker 1: Like the final chapter of the book.

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Speaker 2: So it's going to involve things that I can't tell you.

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Speaker 2: But it's just like, let's just say it's an intimate

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Speaker 2: bath scene that will be lovely and everyone, I have

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Speaker 2: a great time. I love a romantic bath scene. It's

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Speaker 2: a romantic bath except me. Gross, you don't want to

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's totally better than a shower sex scene

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Speaker 2: it's fine, okay, if be romantic, let's just say it

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Speaker 2: will be it's bridget let's not gets and like how

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Speaker 2: is the ultimate celebrity they want to meet.

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00:17:47,434 --> 00:17:49,314
Speaker 1: Well, two things I have interviewed Hailey.

433
00:17:49,594 --> 00:17:52,674
Speaker 2: Well, you kept that on a load. Oh my god,

434
00:17:52,714 --> 00:17:55,114
Speaker 2: tell me everything. We should have an answer to my question.

435
00:17:55,314 --> 00:17:58,273
Speaker 2: But it was when she was Hailey Baldwin and she

436
00:17:58,354 --> 00:18:00,154
Speaker 2: had I'm sure she was correct. Then it's a different

437
00:18:00,234 --> 00:18:02,194
Speaker 2: vibe like this was, oh what you was it? It was

438
00:18:02,234 --> 00:18:06,513
Speaker 2: twenty seventeen. I want to say, what did you interview

439
00:18:06,514 --> 00:18:06,994
Speaker 2: her for?

440
00:18:07,274 --> 00:18:08,354
Speaker 1: Or Model Co?

441
00:18:08,674 --> 00:18:11,874
Speaker 2: Like MCO before they sort of rebranded as like the

442
00:18:11,954 --> 00:18:14,914
Speaker 2: Juke brand. They were doing a lot of celebrity collabs,

443
00:18:14,954 --> 00:18:17,114
Speaker 2: like they've always done really interesting and smart things with

444
00:18:17,154 --> 00:18:19,434
Speaker 2: their marketing, and one of them was that they would

445
00:18:19,474 --> 00:18:22,034
Speaker 2: get celebrities like Hayley Beaber to do a collab and

446
00:18:22,034 --> 00:18:23,674
Speaker 2: they'd fly her out here and they do that. So

447
00:18:24,034 --> 00:18:26,474
Speaker 2: I have met her. She was nice, and you interviewed

448
00:18:26,514 --> 00:18:26,994
Speaker 2: her in person.

449
00:18:27,194 --> 00:18:29,154
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it was just sake about like it was makeup.

450
00:18:29,194 --> 00:18:30,114
Speaker 1: It was nothing personal.

451
00:18:30,194 --> 00:18:32,714
Speaker 2: This is also like twenty seventeen's like the throes of

452
00:18:32,754 --> 00:18:37,394
Speaker 2: the Celena Justin Haley stuff. So they got married Justin

453
00:18:37,434 --> 00:18:39,674
Speaker 2: and Haley in like twenty nineteen. But all of that

454
00:18:39,794 --> 00:18:42,274
Speaker 2: drama that people loved to still dredge up to this day.

455
00:18:42,354 --> 00:18:44,314
Speaker 2: It was around that time. So she was very much like, yeah,

456
00:18:44,554 --> 00:18:48,874
Speaker 2: friend to Kendall Jenna model, daughter of famous parents, occasional

457
00:18:48,914 --> 00:18:50,314
Speaker 2: girlfriend of pop superstar.

458
00:18:50,514 --> 00:18:51,714
Speaker 1: So like, you know, she still.

459
00:18:51,474 --> 00:18:54,513
Speaker 2: Had that like I guess, celebrity of it all, but

460
00:18:54,994 --> 00:18:57,154
Speaker 2: it was not the way it is now when now

461
00:18:57,194 --> 00:18:59,674
Speaker 2: she's seen as this, like you're saying, taste maker, like

462
00:18:59,954 --> 00:19:02,914
Speaker 2: cultural icon in the beauty well in the fashion world

463
00:19:02,914 --> 00:19:05,114
Speaker 2: and with like legions of fans following her everywhere. It

464
00:19:05,194 --> 00:19:07,154
Speaker 2: was not that vibe. She was a nice person and

465
00:19:07,154 --> 00:19:09,514
Speaker 2: then like we just spoke about makeup. It wasn't anything crazy.

466
00:19:09,754 --> 00:19:11,474
Speaker 2: I think we did like an in her bag maybe

467
00:19:11,554 --> 00:19:14,114
Speaker 2: or something like that, but you know, it wasn't anything wild,

468
00:19:14,194 --> 00:19:16,714
Speaker 2: Whereas now I think it's very different the way that

469
00:19:16,754 --> 00:19:19,394
Speaker 2: she's perceived, and it is interesting. I do think she's

470
00:19:19,434 --> 00:19:22,274
Speaker 2: intentionally put a lot of work into rebranding. Well. That's

471
00:19:22,714 --> 00:19:24,914
Speaker 2: what makes me respect her a lot, is that I

472
00:19:24,954 --> 00:19:27,474
Speaker 2: do think that she has been the architect of her

473
00:19:27,514 --> 00:19:29,954
Speaker 2: rebrand and I think it's not so much that maybe

474
00:19:29,994 --> 00:19:31,674
Speaker 2: she has no one what to do, but she's hired

475
00:19:31,674 --> 00:19:35,474
Speaker 2: the correct people, yeah, to come in and run her image,

476
00:19:35,514 --> 00:19:37,554
Speaker 2: which is the most important thing, and run how she

477
00:19:37,594 --> 00:19:39,314
Speaker 2: looks kind of like how Addison Ray did. When she

478
00:19:39,354 --> 00:19:41,874
Speaker 2: decides to be a pop star, Like, yes, that girl is,

479
00:19:41,914 --> 00:19:44,714
Speaker 2: like she's a fine singer, she's very pretty, and she's

480
00:19:44,754 --> 00:19:46,313
Speaker 2: got a lot of followers, but again that doesn't mean

481
00:19:46,594 --> 00:19:46,874
Speaker 2: the vibe.

482
00:19:46,954 --> 00:19:48,634
Speaker 1: You can sell out a stadium.

483
00:19:48,154 --> 00:19:51,274
Speaker 2: Tour and like also like have like a cultural moment

484
00:19:51,274 --> 00:19:53,034
Speaker 2: when you release her album, and half of that is

485
00:19:53,074 --> 00:19:55,793
Speaker 2: because that she hired the right people to remake her image.

486
00:19:55,874 --> 00:19:58,194
Speaker 2: Because like what I remembered off Hayley Beeber when she

487
00:19:58,194 --> 00:20:01,474
Speaker 2: first started getting famous is like, yes, the Baldwin family,

488
00:20:01,954 --> 00:20:04,434
Speaker 2: those crazy brothers, some more crazy than others.

489
00:20:04,714 --> 00:20:08,714
Speaker 1: And I know I'm also that all of that escapades, which.

490
00:20:08,514 --> 00:20:10,394
Speaker 2: I mean every time they're all like an onion. Every

491
00:20:10,394 --> 00:20:12,513
Speaker 2: time you lead into one, like there's worse layers under it.

492
00:20:12,594 --> 00:20:12,794
Speaker 3: Yeah.

493
00:20:12,954 --> 00:20:14,714
Speaker 2: Yeah, I did have a soft spot for Ali Balwin

494
00:20:14,754 --> 00:20:17,354
Speaker 2: because for a long time I love Island his daughter.

495
00:20:18,394 --> 00:20:20,074
Speaker 2: But again, a good example if they're in a very

496
00:20:20,074 --> 00:20:24,513
Speaker 2: similar situation and one became like Hailey Bieber enterprise and

497
00:20:24,554 --> 00:20:26,594
Speaker 2: the others like just like Island Baldwin nice lady.

498
00:20:26,714 --> 00:20:28,714
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, such a nice lady.

499
00:20:29,194 --> 00:20:31,074
Speaker 2: And so yeah, so my first thing about Hailey Bebe

500
00:20:31,114 --> 00:20:33,154
Speaker 2: when she was Hailey Ball, when it was just like young,

501
00:20:33,194 --> 00:20:35,194
Speaker 2: pretty Hollywood depot baby, heaps.

502
00:20:34,954 --> 00:20:35,354
Speaker 1: Of them.

503
00:20:36,914 --> 00:20:38,994
Speaker 2: Down, goes to that sushi place they all go to.

504
00:20:39,194 --> 00:20:41,714
Speaker 2: Yeah sushi b Yeah, yeah that one. They get her

505
00:20:41,754 --> 00:20:44,954
Speaker 2: car tot a lot for parking in disabled working with

506
00:20:44,954 --> 00:20:46,793
Speaker 2: her hands in front of her eyes with Fabaratti a

507
00:20:46,834 --> 00:20:51,513
Speaker 2: lottery classic Caparatzi. Her paparazzi walks, I shouldn't laugh, this

508
00:20:51,554 --> 00:20:52,114
Speaker 2: is not funny.

509
00:20:52,194 --> 00:20:57,434
Speaker 1: But do you remember the time when shied to a wall? Okay?

510
00:20:57,434 --> 00:20:59,394
Speaker 1: In her defense, she is a young woman.

511
00:20:59,754 --> 00:21:03,793
Speaker 2: Flash followed through the streets by a group of at

512
00:21:03,914 --> 00:21:08,074
Speaker 2: least fifteen huge men with cameras screamed at her. They

513
00:21:08,154 --> 00:21:10,553
Speaker 2: used to scream, really, and paparazzi don't do this as

514
00:21:10,714 --> 00:21:13,074
Speaker 2: much from what I've seen, because they're getting filmed so much.

515
00:21:13,194 --> 00:21:15,513
Speaker 2: Back then they weren't as much, and so they scream

516
00:21:15,554 --> 00:21:17,354
Speaker 2: really nasty things because if they get a photo of

517
00:21:17,434 --> 00:21:19,274
Speaker 2: you crying or upset, you can sell it for more.

518
00:21:19,314 --> 00:21:21,194
Speaker 2: Then they can say that you broke up with Justin Bieber.

519
00:21:21,474 --> 00:21:22,754
Speaker 1: Actually they're crying because so.

520
00:21:22,754 --> 00:21:25,033
Speaker 2: She's walking away from them, and she's got her hands

521
00:21:25,034 --> 00:21:26,754
Speaker 2: over her face because I think she's trying to stop

522
00:21:26,754 --> 00:21:28,594
Speaker 2: them from be able to sell the photos. And then

523
00:21:28,594 --> 00:21:31,594
Speaker 2: she turns down and alleyway and walks into a wall.

524
00:21:31,994 --> 00:21:33,834
Speaker 2: But then you know what she handled it well if

525
00:21:33,834 --> 00:21:35,274
Speaker 2: she just turned around and walked away.

526
00:21:35,474 --> 00:21:36,474
Speaker 1: And do you know what I think the thing of

527
00:21:36,514 --> 00:21:37,234
Speaker 1: that era was.

528
00:21:38,114 --> 00:21:40,273
Speaker 2: And again, I know it sounds mean because I'm just

529
00:21:40,314 --> 00:21:42,034
Speaker 2: discussing things that are out there, but that was the

530
00:21:42,074 --> 00:21:44,114
Speaker 2: point in time too, where like there's videos and that's

531
00:21:44,154 --> 00:21:45,553
Speaker 2: what a lot of people dredge up when they talk

532
00:21:45,594 --> 00:21:47,834
Speaker 2: about her, and Justin is like, you know, Justin would

533
00:21:47,874 --> 00:21:49,674
Speaker 2: duck under a railing and she'd chase after him and

534
00:21:49,714 --> 00:21:51,273
Speaker 2: she'd fall over and he wouldn't help her, and like

535
00:21:51,314 --> 00:21:54,994
Speaker 2: she was often caught in these embarrassing moment durk away

536
00:21:55,034 --> 00:21:58,513
Speaker 2: without her and like or on her face like that

537
00:21:58,714 --> 00:22:00,994
Speaker 2: was her. What about when they pushed Kylie Jenner into

538
00:22:01,034 --> 00:22:02,914
Speaker 2: the club and left Haley outside and she was getting

539
00:22:02,914 --> 00:22:04,994
Speaker 2: pushed against the wall and she was like, again, none

540
00:22:04,994 --> 00:22:07,553
Speaker 2: of this herself from perhaps like she was sort of

541
00:22:07,634 --> 00:22:10,914
Speaker 2: like a lower tear, which I know that she's no, no, no,

542
00:22:10,994 --> 00:22:12,874
Speaker 2: she was for a while because there's videos of her

543
00:22:13,074 --> 00:22:16,674
Speaker 2: yelling back at paparazzi because they're yelling out Kendall Gigi,

544
00:22:16,874 --> 00:22:19,154
Speaker 2: Kendall Gigi, and she's when she's a Kendall Jenna and

545
00:22:19,274 --> 00:22:20,634
Speaker 2: she's like, I'm not Gigi.

546
00:22:20,594 --> 00:22:23,914
Speaker 1: Did I'm a real person, but no one cares. No

547
00:22:23,994 --> 00:22:26,874
Speaker 1: one did care. Like it was like she was a vibe.

548
00:22:26,994 --> 00:22:27,674
Speaker 1: She was there.

549
00:22:27,834 --> 00:22:29,793
Speaker 2: Some girls loved her, like I know people who fangled

550
00:22:29,834 --> 00:22:31,954
Speaker 2: over her forever, but it was not the level that

551
00:22:32,074 --> 00:22:33,594
Speaker 2: it is now. And I do think she worked really

552
00:22:33,714 --> 00:22:36,234
Speaker 2: hard on what she wanted that to be and figured

553
00:22:36,234 --> 00:22:37,754
Speaker 2: it out sollely. And one of those things was like

554
00:22:37,834 --> 00:22:40,754
Speaker 2: she hired a street style stylist. Yes, that was so cool,

555
00:22:40,794 --> 00:22:42,994
Speaker 2: Like every time you see Haley in a cool outfit

556
00:22:43,114 --> 00:22:45,154
Speaker 2: on the streets, it's not something she picked up and

557
00:22:45,274 --> 00:22:47,434
Speaker 2: she's been honest about that. But for the average person,

558
00:22:47,554 --> 00:22:49,754
Speaker 2: it became a thing of Kaylee's really cool. I like

559
00:22:49,834 --> 00:22:51,794
Speaker 2: Hailee's jacket, I like her shoes, I like the word

560
00:22:51,834 --> 00:22:54,794
Speaker 2: she's wearing. And it really elevated her and street style

561
00:22:54,834 --> 00:22:56,434
Speaker 2: has done that for a lot of celebs. It was

562
00:22:56,434 --> 00:22:59,513
Speaker 2: the whole model off Judy thing. It made her someone

563
00:22:59,554 --> 00:23:02,554
Speaker 2: people wanted to be lack and then what she did

564
00:23:02,754 --> 00:23:05,754
Speaker 2: was take that and create her own product that people

565
00:23:05,834 --> 00:23:08,114
Speaker 2: could buy to be like her as well. Yeah, that

566
00:23:08,234 --> 00:23:10,314
Speaker 2: is actually so interesting when you think about it that

567
00:23:10,394 --> 00:23:13,314
Speaker 2: she's from a super rich, famous family, she married a

568
00:23:13,354 --> 00:23:15,674
Speaker 2: super rich, famous guy. But something in her mind, she

569
00:23:15,794 --> 00:23:18,354
Speaker 2: was smart enough to know that the smartest thing to

570
00:23:18,434 --> 00:23:20,354
Speaker 2: do was not to put all of her eggs in

571
00:23:20,434 --> 00:23:22,354
Speaker 2: the red carpet basket, to put it in a street

572
00:23:22,434 --> 00:23:26,073
Speaker 2: style basket, because that's more attainable to younger women who

573
00:23:26,194 --> 00:23:26,874
Speaker 2: she's selling.

574
00:23:26,674 --> 00:23:27,273
Speaker 1: Her product to.

575
00:23:27,674 --> 00:23:30,594
Speaker 2: Because yeah, she pays her street stylist the same that

576
00:23:30,714 --> 00:23:33,394
Speaker 2: people pay their red carpet stylist that amount of money

577
00:23:33,794 --> 00:23:36,994
Speaker 2: to set out all of her outfits, to even like

578
00:23:37,154 --> 00:23:38,994
Speaker 2: dress her before she will like just get out of

579
00:23:39,034 --> 00:23:41,594
Speaker 2: the car, get a coffee, get back in. And she

580
00:23:41,754 --> 00:23:43,954
Speaker 2: puts as much time and effort money into that look

581
00:23:43,994 --> 00:23:45,914
Speaker 2: as someone else would put for like a red carpet

582
00:23:45,954 --> 00:23:48,273
Speaker 2: or a film premiere or a junket or something like that.

583
00:23:48,594 --> 00:23:50,954
Speaker 2: And it seems crazy, but it has worked, and that's

584
00:23:50,954 --> 00:23:52,194
Speaker 2: where her fandom has come from.

585
00:23:52,354 --> 00:23:54,234
Speaker 1: And like it is wild, because yeah, you're like, what

586
00:23:54,434 --> 00:23:55,834
Speaker 1: is road right? What did it start as?

587
00:23:55,954 --> 00:23:58,834
Speaker 2: Is like lip peptide serums and stuff like it's it's

588
00:23:58,874 --> 00:24:01,674
Speaker 2: just a fun lip bum really. But she was known

589
00:24:01,754 --> 00:24:04,674
Speaker 2: for having like these big, beautiful lips and for having

590
00:24:04,794 --> 00:24:07,834
Speaker 2: a perfect face that was free from anything. And she's like, hey, guys,

591
00:24:07,834 --> 00:24:10,754
Speaker 2: i had a periodermatitis journey and now I've started sensitive

592
00:24:10,754 --> 00:24:11,874
Speaker 2: skincare and lip treatments.

593
00:24:11,874 --> 00:24:14,474
Speaker 1: And everyone went, how authentic to you, Hailey? Love that.

594
00:24:14,714 --> 00:24:17,434
Speaker 2: I'm gonna buy it as well. Yeah, it worked for her.

595
00:24:17,514 --> 00:24:19,634
Speaker 2: I don't get it, Like, I think she seems nice.

596
00:24:20,274 --> 00:24:20,554
Speaker 1: Great.

597
00:24:20,914 --> 00:24:23,194
Speaker 2: It's such a visual thing too, And again, like I'm

598
00:24:23,234 --> 00:24:24,994
Speaker 2: not saying it's just because she's pretty. There's a lot

599
00:24:24,994 --> 00:24:26,634
Speaker 2: of pretty people out there who don't achieve. I think

600
00:24:26,634 --> 00:24:29,234
Speaker 2: she's smart about it. She's smart about her pretty to

601
00:24:29,514 --> 00:24:31,714
Speaker 2: just have a brand, and that's having If you ask

602
00:24:31,794 --> 00:24:33,553
Speaker 2: people why they like Haley Beber. First of all, when

603
00:24:33,594 --> 00:24:35,354
Speaker 2: you actually ask them, they they never know, is what

604
00:24:35,474 --> 00:24:37,833
Speaker 2: I don't learned. People never know, but as they ponder,

605
00:24:38,194 --> 00:24:40,634
Speaker 2: they often just be like, oh, she's got such good skin,

606
00:24:41,434 --> 00:24:43,834
Speaker 2: and I guess that's enough reason to like someone. Also,

607
00:24:43,954 --> 00:24:47,074
Speaker 2: there's something about her internet persona where she comes across

608
00:24:47,274 --> 00:24:51,234
Speaker 2: so bland, but also she just exists in this like

609
00:24:51,954 --> 00:24:55,514
Speaker 2: crazy bubble where everything's heightened, but also nothing's heightened because

610
00:24:55,514 --> 00:24:57,874
Speaker 2: her whole day could just be in the bathroom and

611
00:24:57,994 --> 00:25:00,154
Speaker 2: she takes the maybe this is white so well, it's

612
00:25:00,194 --> 00:25:03,194
Speaker 2: so alluring to watch. I'm not a skincare girl because

613
00:25:03,314 --> 00:25:05,033
Speaker 2: I don't know anything about skincare, so I don't really

614
00:25:05,034 --> 00:25:07,074
Speaker 2: watch skincare videos. But I'll watch a Haley Beaber once

615
00:25:07,114 --> 00:25:10,314
Speaker 2: sometimes because it feels like performance art. It the way

616
00:25:11,314 --> 00:25:14,834
Speaker 2: her hands cleanse her face, I'm like, why does mine

617
00:25:14,914 --> 00:25:16,634
Speaker 2: look like that? But also I don't know how any

618
00:25:16,634 --> 00:25:18,434
Speaker 2: of that products getting in there, because when she does

619
00:25:18,474 --> 00:25:21,954
Speaker 2: her skin care, she puts like literally like the size

620
00:25:21,994 --> 00:25:24,594
Speaker 2: of a little beasting on her hand and then she

621
00:25:24,754 --> 00:25:27,274
Speaker 2: dabs on her hand and then she goes one little

622
00:25:27,314 --> 00:25:29,754
Speaker 2: tap on one side, one little tap on the other side,

623
00:25:29,754 --> 00:25:32,154
Speaker 2: and she's like, mm, there you go. And it's like, well,

624
00:25:32,274 --> 00:25:34,594
Speaker 2: that product did not go on your skin. What do

625
00:25:34,674 --> 00:25:36,794
Speaker 2: you do? It's like because she's got like really tattered hands,

626
00:25:36,954 --> 00:25:39,474
Speaker 2: she's got really long nails. It's the way she puts

627
00:25:39,514 --> 00:25:41,314
Speaker 2: product on and she like loathers it and she like

628
00:25:41,394 --> 00:25:45,474
Speaker 2: really does like that for like ages, and then it's

629
00:25:45,514 --> 00:25:46,834
Speaker 2: like she presses.

630
00:25:46,474 --> 00:25:48,234
Speaker 1: It and then she has to have the nails going.

631
00:25:48,074 --> 00:25:50,234
Speaker 2: On and the nails go out, and it's also luxurious

632
00:25:50,274 --> 00:25:52,073
Speaker 2: and like that. I do get that, Like I used

633
00:25:52,114 --> 00:25:54,834
Speaker 2: to like watching like probably like not as famous people

634
00:25:54,834 --> 00:25:57,034
Speaker 2: as Hailey Beaver do YouTube tutorials on skincare.

635
00:25:57,114 --> 00:25:58,554
Speaker 1: But there's something about.

636
00:25:58,314 --> 00:26:00,634
Speaker 2: It that you're like, yeah, that's a bit luxurious, and

637
00:26:00,794 --> 00:26:01,914
Speaker 2: I think that's what she's traded in.

638
00:26:01,954 --> 00:26:03,434
Speaker 1: It's just the concept of luxury.

639
00:26:03,634 --> 00:26:05,394
Speaker 2: Yeah, the concept of luxury, because it looks like those

640
00:26:05,434 --> 00:26:07,553
Speaker 2: hands should not be doing any work, touching, and I.

641
00:26:07,554 --> 00:26:08,273
Speaker 1: Don't think they ever have.

642
00:26:08,554 --> 00:26:10,994
Speaker 2: No, Well, well that's a lie. She's a company's sold

643
00:26:11,034 --> 00:26:12,594
Speaker 2: it for a billion dollars, so that was not true.

644
00:26:12,594 --> 00:26:13,794
Speaker 2: But I don't know if she was building that with

645
00:26:13,874 --> 00:26:15,714
Speaker 2: her hands, so to say. But when they announced they

646
00:26:15,754 --> 00:26:17,794
Speaker 2: had had their son, Jack Blues and the photo, the

647
00:26:17,834 --> 00:26:21,394
Speaker 2: announcement photo was her hand with all the tats and

648
00:26:21,434 --> 00:26:23,754
Speaker 2: the beautiful hand that long, sharp nail like pressed up

649
00:26:23,754 --> 00:26:25,754
Speaker 2: against the baby's little soft foot. Yeah.

650
00:26:26,154 --> 00:26:29,074
Speaker 1: I have so many questions about this is how she's

651
00:26:29,114 --> 00:26:31,394
Speaker 1: going to do everything, But also you just get it

652
00:26:31,434 --> 00:26:32,634
Speaker 1: done right. Yeah.

653
00:26:32,794 --> 00:26:34,474
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people would also say that

654
00:26:34,674 --> 00:26:37,833
Speaker 2: it's her marriage to Justin Bieber that has made her famous.

655
00:26:37,914 --> 00:26:40,754
Speaker 2: And I do think that has made her infamous and famous,

656
00:26:40,834 --> 00:26:44,794
Speaker 2: but I don't think it's quite the reason that young

657
00:26:44,834 --> 00:26:47,513
Speaker 2: women adore her so much. One because a lot of

658
00:26:47,514 --> 00:26:50,914
Speaker 2: people hated her for marrying their crush, and two she

659
00:26:51,034 --> 00:26:53,674
Speaker 2: doesn't come off well in that marriage. No, And again, no,

660
00:26:53,754 --> 00:26:54,954
Speaker 2: I don't say it in the bad way, but I'm

661
00:26:55,034 --> 00:26:56,874
Speaker 2: just like a lot of people talk about the fact.

662
00:26:57,114 --> 00:26:58,513
Speaker 2: And again, I don't think this is true because I've

663
00:26:58,514 --> 00:27:00,034
Speaker 2: been married for so long now, they must be in

664
00:27:00,074 --> 00:27:03,634
Speaker 2: love and want to be together. Yeah, But in that marriage,

665
00:27:03,674 --> 00:27:06,273
Speaker 2: it was this whole thing. It wasn't the traditional celeb

666
00:27:06,394 --> 00:27:08,674
Speaker 2: fairy tale where everyone was like, Oh, they're meant to

667
00:27:08,714 --> 00:27:11,034
Speaker 2: be together, They're so in love, We're obsessed with them.

668
00:27:11,034 --> 00:27:14,234
Speaker 1: They're couple goals, you know, like especially really young celebrities

669
00:27:14,234 --> 00:27:16,794
Speaker 1: who have a really lavish wedding like they did. There's

670
00:27:16,834 --> 00:27:18,994
Speaker 1: a lot of kind of everyone wants to be them,

671
00:27:19,114 --> 00:27:20,714
Speaker 1: and I'm sure some people did, But I think the

672
00:27:20,914 --> 00:27:24,234
Speaker 1: biggest story was so many people being like, well, he

673
00:27:24,314 --> 00:27:25,634
Speaker 1: got tricked in to marry her.

674
00:27:25,954 --> 00:27:30,394
Speaker 2: Yeah, people, yeah, she's the second choice. She had to

675
00:27:30,514 --> 00:27:32,754
Speaker 2: like get her dad to organize for her to meet him.

676
00:27:33,034 --> 00:27:35,154
Speaker 2: She had to organize for these are real stories are

677
00:27:35,154 --> 00:27:38,793
Speaker 2: out there and they were children. Yeah, organized for her

678
00:27:38,874 --> 00:27:41,114
Speaker 2: friends to take Selena Gomez out of the country so

679
00:27:41,234 --> 00:27:41,874
Speaker 2: she could see him.

680
00:27:41,914 --> 00:27:44,474
Speaker 1: That Weekend, the first time they posted a photo together.

681
00:27:44,674 --> 00:27:47,114
Speaker 2: That one's wild, and then all the stories about how

682
00:27:47,194 --> 00:27:49,834
Speaker 2: badly Justin Bieber treats her allegedly, we don't know, we

683
00:27:49,874 --> 00:27:51,874
Speaker 2: don't know, but it was the story that was out there.

684
00:27:51,914 --> 00:27:52,714
Speaker 1: He treats her badly.

685
00:27:52,794 --> 00:27:55,553
Speaker 2: He leaves her behind on skateboards when paparazzi chasing them,

686
00:27:55,554 --> 00:27:57,674
Speaker 2: He says awful things to her. Even he gave that

687
00:27:57,794 --> 00:27:59,434
Speaker 2: interview and was like, I told her she'd never have

688
00:27:59,514 --> 00:28:03,834
Speaker 2: a Vogue cover. So sometimes he makes half the time. Yes,

689
00:28:04,754 --> 00:28:06,833
Speaker 2: So no one is like I want to be her

690
00:28:06,874 --> 00:28:07,634
Speaker 2: in that marriage.

691
00:28:07,794 --> 00:28:08,154
Speaker 1: I don't know.

692
00:28:08,234 --> 00:28:10,194
Speaker 2: I think like it's very separate, is what I get

693
00:28:10,234 --> 00:28:12,114
Speaker 2: from people who are obsessed with her, because yeah, they're

694
00:28:12,194 --> 00:28:15,154
Speaker 2: like skin goals, beautiful gowns, she looks amazing, and that

695
00:28:15,954 --> 00:28:18,354
Speaker 2: that's enough of a reason to like somebody. I'm not yucky,

696
00:28:18,394 --> 00:28:20,354
Speaker 2: you're yum, But I am intrigued by why you.

697
00:28:20,354 --> 00:28:22,034
Speaker 1: Would line up at five am for that.

698
00:28:22,354 --> 00:28:24,074
Speaker 2: I get them intrigued by, like, yeah, what is it

699
00:28:24,154 --> 00:28:25,634
Speaker 2: about this person that makes you want to chase them

700
00:28:25,634 --> 00:28:28,874
Speaker 2: around the country or buy everything they buy and like

701
00:28:28,954 --> 00:28:29,594
Speaker 2: everything they like?

702
00:28:29,794 --> 00:28:32,114
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I get because I understand it.

703
00:28:32,234 --> 00:28:33,954
Speaker 2: I mean, I always say this when we're like walking

704
00:28:33,954 --> 00:28:36,754
Speaker 2: into premieres and we see like people lying the streets.

705
00:28:36,834 --> 00:28:38,594
Speaker 2: I've asked people sometimes like how long have you been

706
00:28:38,634 --> 00:28:40,274
Speaker 2: here and there, like, oh, I flew from Melbourne. I've

707
00:28:40,274 --> 00:28:42,634
Speaker 2: been here for twenty four hours just for the chance

708
00:28:42,714 --> 00:28:45,394
Speaker 2: to see someone across the road. But if that person

709
00:28:45,914 --> 00:28:47,874
Speaker 2: is in all your favorite movies, I mean again, I

710
00:28:47,914 --> 00:28:49,714
Speaker 2: would never do it because I'm way too weak to

711
00:28:50,114 --> 00:28:53,954
Speaker 2: stand outside for twenty four hours. I'd be on the street,

712
00:28:53,994 --> 00:28:55,474
Speaker 2: the street clean to go with me, and I'd be dead.

713
00:28:57,434 --> 00:28:59,634
Speaker 1: But other people do it. The thing is I understand, like.

714
00:28:59,674 --> 00:29:01,754
Speaker 2: If you have grown up watching that person's movies, or

715
00:29:01,794 --> 00:29:03,634
Speaker 2: maybe they're in all your favorite movies now your favorite

716
00:29:03,634 --> 00:29:06,314
Speaker 2: TV show, and they're like the thing that keeps you

717
00:29:06,394 --> 00:29:08,194
Speaker 2: and your family to get because you all love this show.

718
00:29:08,234 --> 00:29:09,074
Speaker 1: Like I understand that.

719
00:29:09,714 --> 00:29:12,234
Speaker 2: I find it harder to believe people doing that, even

720
00:29:12,274 --> 00:29:14,234
Speaker 2: though they did for Hailey Bieber to say what I

721
00:29:14,314 --> 00:29:18,154
Speaker 2: love her lip peptide. It's a different thing, but it's

722
00:29:18,554 --> 00:29:20,554
Speaker 2: as strong as the attachment people.

723
00:29:20,434 --> 00:29:21,354
Speaker 1: Have to stars.

724
00:29:21,594 --> 00:29:24,074
Speaker 2: And I don't know that we'll ever solve this one more.

725
00:29:24,114 --> 00:29:26,554
Speaker 2: I want to solve today because it's the same as

726
00:29:26,674 --> 00:29:28,954
Speaker 2: like the Sophia Richie grange of it all, like yeah,

727
00:29:29,034 --> 00:29:33,954
Speaker 2: that girl again, beautiful, lovely sold the hell out of

728
00:29:33,994 --> 00:29:37,154
Speaker 2: those Chanelle highlighters on her wedding, but like the obsession

729
00:29:37,234 --> 00:29:39,234
Speaker 2: that people grew over what she was wearing, what she

730
00:29:39,434 --> 00:29:41,754
Speaker 2: was doing. It was similar to the way that people

731
00:29:41,834 --> 00:29:44,594
Speaker 2: treat Hailey, but just like hasn't gone on as long.

732
00:29:45,034 --> 00:29:47,434
Speaker 2: And likewise, her and Kylie and Hailey like they do

733
00:29:47,594 --> 00:29:50,594
Speaker 2: something so minor, like Kylie shimmy's her shoulders and they're like,

734
00:29:50,714 --> 00:29:53,314
Speaker 2: I'm recreating the Kylie Jenner dance on TikTok and it's.

735
00:29:53,234 --> 00:29:55,154
Speaker 1: Like, it's not a dance. She just moved. She just

736
00:29:55,314 --> 00:29:55,794
Speaker 1: literally moved.

737
00:29:56,114 --> 00:29:58,114
Speaker 2: She moved a shoulder, or like, oh, I'm doing the

738
00:29:58,314 --> 00:30:00,554
Speaker 2: Sofia Richie dance, and Sofia rich She's like, what are

739
00:30:00,554 --> 00:30:03,354
Speaker 2: you doing? I was just drunk and like joking with

740
00:30:03,474 --> 00:30:06,434
Speaker 2: my friend. There's something about them that captivates these people

741
00:30:07,154 --> 00:30:09,994
Speaker 2: and I don't know what it is. And I want

742
00:30:10,034 --> 00:30:12,874
Speaker 2: to say that it's like personality, but I'm not seeing that.

743
00:30:13,154 --> 00:30:15,714
Speaker 1: I don't enough. No, but no, I don't think it's

744
00:30:15,714 --> 00:30:16,114
Speaker 1: an insult.

745
00:30:16,154 --> 00:30:17,914
Speaker 2: I don't think we get enough from these young women

746
00:30:18,074 --> 00:30:21,034
Speaker 2: to just because of the way that like their image

747
00:30:21,114 --> 00:30:24,434
Speaker 2: is curated through street style photos or like very put

748
00:30:24,514 --> 00:30:28,514
Speaker 2: together Vogue pieces, or like little Instagram shots that they'll

749
00:30:28,514 --> 00:30:30,154
Speaker 2: put up, but they don't. They don't walk around and

750
00:30:30,194 --> 00:30:32,154
Speaker 2: talk to camera a huge amount of anything like that

751
00:30:32,674 --> 00:30:34,714
Speaker 2: of how we would get to know them. And so

752
00:30:34,954 --> 00:30:36,754
Speaker 2: even when she was in Australia, so Haley went around

753
00:30:36,754 --> 00:30:39,754
Speaker 2: at all the events, I wasn't invited to any Roade events,

754
00:30:39,754 --> 00:30:41,994
Speaker 2: so I didn't personally see her, but what I hear

755
00:30:42,034 --> 00:30:43,554
Speaker 2: from all of those events is that she was very

756
00:30:43,634 --> 00:30:45,034
Speaker 2: pleasant to all the influences that.

757
00:30:45,074 --> 00:30:47,394
Speaker 1: Were there and very happy to be in photos. And

758
00:30:47,434 --> 00:30:50,274
Speaker 1: I mean she's working, so that's normal. Yeah, it's just

759
00:30:50,314 --> 00:30:52,634
Speaker 1: like she's good at events. Everyone's always got positive things.

760
00:30:52,834 --> 00:30:55,594
Speaker 2: And then I also wasn't invited to the Vogue Forces

761
00:30:55,594 --> 00:30:56,874
Speaker 2: of Fashion panel, but fair.

762
00:30:56,794 --> 00:30:58,754
Speaker 1: Enough, wow, But I did read. I did go and

763
00:30:58,834 --> 00:31:00,914
Speaker 1: read it, and guess should reconsider it?

764
00:31:01,554 --> 00:31:03,554
Speaker 2: They like this girl said she don't nothing about fashion,

765
00:31:03,634 --> 00:31:05,594
Speaker 2: can't walk in hills and doesn't know what skincare is.

766
00:31:05,674 --> 00:31:06,914
Speaker 1: So that's so fair Vogue don't.

767
00:31:06,954 --> 00:31:09,194
Speaker 2: I wouldn't let me in there either, But I did

768
00:31:09,314 --> 00:31:11,274
Speaker 2: read the Vergue recap about what it happened. Because I

769
00:31:11,274 --> 00:31:12,674
Speaker 2: was like, what did she say on stage when she

770
00:31:12,834 --> 00:31:14,994
Speaker 2: was being interviewed, And a lot of it was about

771
00:31:15,034 --> 00:31:17,394
Speaker 2: building a brand, being an entrepreneur and stuff, and it

772
00:31:17,474 --> 00:31:19,994
Speaker 2: was all fine about like taking a risk and putting

773
00:31:19,994 --> 00:31:22,994
Speaker 2: the work in, but also your risk when you're Hailey

774
00:31:23,034 --> 00:31:25,314
Speaker 2: Bber and you have your family money, your husband's money,

775
00:31:25,354 --> 00:31:27,794
Speaker 2: and your Instagram account is very different to a lot

776
00:31:27,834 --> 00:31:29,154
Speaker 2: of the other people in that room who would be

777
00:31:29,794 --> 00:31:31,474
Speaker 2: like taking it. Actually, the bank's going to take my

778
00:31:31,554 --> 00:31:34,354
Speaker 2: home if I don't make this business work. And she

779
00:31:34,514 --> 00:31:36,274
Speaker 2: was very pleasant in all of her interviews, but I

780
00:31:36,314 --> 00:31:39,274
Speaker 2: don't know what she's saying that is shifting the needle

781
00:31:39,514 --> 00:31:42,154
Speaker 2: enough for people to, like rooms full of people to

782
00:31:42,274 --> 00:31:44,914
Speaker 2: be this silent when she speaks. Yeah, because yeah, usually

783
00:31:44,954 --> 00:31:47,034
Speaker 2: this level of devotion comes, like you said, with artistry,

784
00:31:47,154 --> 00:31:49,194
Speaker 2: Like it's music that you like, it's a book that

785
00:31:49,274 --> 00:31:51,514
Speaker 2: you like, it's a movie or a TV show or

786
00:31:51,554 --> 00:31:54,034
Speaker 2: whatever that you were so obsessed with and enamored by

787
00:31:54,114 --> 00:31:57,354
Speaker 2: this person's talent. And in this case, the talent is

788
00:31:57,434 --> 00:32:00,114
Speaker 2: having a skincare business. And it is interesting how much

789
00:32:00,594 --> 00:32:02,274
Speaker 2: that has driven people in saying.

790
00:32:02,314 --> 00:32:05,634
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, has good skin ever been so powerful?

791
00:32:05,834 --> 00:32:08,074
Speaker 2: I don't know to come out and that type of attention,

792
00:32:08,634 --> 00:32:11,074
Speaker 2: and it's akin like she's open in a way that

793
00:32:11,194 --> 00:32:12,954
Speaker 2: like often when I think about her, I think about

794
00:32:12,994 --> 00:32:15,274
Speaker 2: her posting that video on TikTok where she was like

795
00:32:15,794 --> 00:32:18,314
Speaker 2: when the bullying just got so much. The bullying is

796
00:32:18,394 --> 00:32:20,314
Speaker 2: really odd. I really feel for her of that it's

797
00:32:20,394 --> 00:32:23,114
Speaker 2: so unwarranted. When she was like leave me alone from

798
00:32:23,194 --> 00:32:25,314
Speaker 2: this video. Yeah, I don't say anything, I don't do anything,

799
00:32:25,474 --> 00:32:27,794
Speaker 2: leave me alone, and she was so upset. Yeah, And

800
00:32:27,834 --> 00:32:29,634
Speaker 2: then I also know she's tried to be funny before.

801
00:32:29,634 --> 00:32:32,314
Speaker 2: I'm sure she's funny. She knows she does very calculated

802
00:32:32,354 --> 00:32:34,554
Speaker 2: funny things. And it's like I realized that I'm saying

803
00:32:34,594 --> 00:32:36,194
Speaker 2: this after we're talking about a video she made which

804
00:32:36,194 --> 00:32:39,034
Speaker 2: she's like, leave me alone. But she I think, because

805
00:32:39,074 --> 00:32:40,514
Speaker 2: of the way she's been bullied and the way she's

806
00:32:40,514 --> 00:32:43,674
Speaker 2: been treated, she thinks so much about what she says

807
00:32:43,714 --> 00:32:45,474
Speaker 2: and how she's perceived and if that is fun and

808
00:32:45,554 --> 00:32:49,394
Speaker 2: funny and interesting. Because she once made a comment in

809
00:32:49,514 --> 00:32:51,674
Speaker 2: like a British Vogue in her bag video that she

810
00:32:51,794 --> 00:32:56,354
Speaker 2: carried around a medical textbook because she was like learning medicine,

811
00:32:56,914 --> 00:32:58,594
Speaker 2: and she got roasted for it at the time, but

812
00:32:58,634 --> 00:33:01,234
Speaker 2: it sort of resurfaced at one point and then in

813
00:33:01,314 --> 00:33:03,834
Speaker 2: her next in her Bag video, she pulled out like

814
00:33:03,954 --> 00:33:06,314
Speaker 2: Nietzschee and all these things, and she started making fun

815
00:33:06,354 --> 00:33:08,194
Speaker 2: of herself and she was like some light reading, you know,

816
00:33:08,234 --> 00:33:09,994
Speaker 2: I just love to teach myself, and like she was

817
00:33:10,074 --> 00:33:12,274
Speaker 2: trying to be like haha, I mean, she got the

818
00:33:12,394 --> 00:33:14,674
Speaker 2: love potion that she says her dad bought her to

819
00:33:14,754 --> 00:33:17,874
Speaker 2: trap just to be and she that in that bag.

820
00:33:18,234 --> 00:33:20,234
Speaker 2: That hole in her bag was her taking the piss

821
00:33:20,274 --> 00:33:22,314
Speaker 2: out of all of the little things that people like

822
00:33:22,514 --> 00:33:25,834
Speaker 2: say about her. But it's so calculated, obviously, and it

823
00:33:25,954 --> 00:33:28,554
Speaker 2: clearly does impact her. So she is someone I guess

824
00:33:28,554 --> 00:33:31,234
Speaker 2: who's been very careful of how she's perceived and wants

825
00:33:31,274 --> 00:33:33,594
Speaker 2: to make sure that part of that perception is like

826
00:33:33,674 --> 00:33:35,554
Speaker 2: a fun girl who can take a joke but also

827
00:33:35,674 --> 00:33:37,594
Speaker 2: will like have something funny to say back.

828
00:33:38,114 --> 00:33:39,394
Speaker 1: Yeah, And maybe I don't.

829
00:33:39,834 --> 00:33:41,594
Speaker 2: I wonder it would be hard. It may be hard

830
00:33:41,674 --> 00:33:44,114
Speaker 2: to think that much about these things. Also, maybe the

831
00:33:44,194 --> 00:33:47,194
Speaker 2: power of Hailey Beeber's she Doesn't make you think and

832
00:33:47,314 --> 00:33:49,114
Speaker 2: the world again, I draak mean that in the mean way.

833
00:33:49,114 --> 00:33:51,234
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, the world's a really tough place right now,

834
00:33:51,274 --> 00:33:54,354
Speaker 2: everyone's looking from escapism, and like the woman, she's targeting

835
00:33:54,394 --> 00:33:56,194
Speaker 2: young women who got home on their phones at night

836
00:33:56,234 --> 00:33:59,154
Speaker 2: and scrowl and want to have that smooth brain moment

837
00:33:59,314 --> 00:34:01,634
Speaker 2: and maybe watching a pretty blond, rich girl put some

838
00:34:01,754 --> 00:34:04,314
Speaker 2: peptides dot them on her skin and smile and have

839
00:34:04,434 --> 00:34:06,074
Speaker 2: and they know that you can go buy those same

840
00:34:06,154 --> 00:34:08,074
Speaker 2: things and you can have a omen of escapism by

841
00:34:08,114 --> 00:34:09,393
Speaker 2: putting the products on your face.

842
00:34:09,953 --> 00:34:10,553
Speaker 1: I won't lie.

843
00:34:10,674 --> 00:34:12,114
Speaker 2: Like she went to Japan a little while ago, and

844
00:34:12,154 --> 00:34:13,513
Speaker 2: I went, that looks good, and you're like, I want

845
00:34:13,514 --> 00:34:13,993
Speaker 2: to go to Japan.

846
00:34:14,114 --> 00:34:16,234
Speaker 1: Like I like Japan. The way she did it seemed

847
00:34:16,234 --> 00:34:18,674
Speaker 1: a lot chaker, so I'll check out influences there. So

848
00:34:18,874 --> 00:34:20,033
Speaker 1: I really want to solve it today.

849
00:34:20,114 --> 00:34:22,234
Speaker 2: And like, the one thing I will say is, girlies,

850
00:34:22,354 --> 00:34:25,274
Speaker 2: be careful of traction alopecia. Like if you're copying Hailey

851
00:34:25,314 --> 00:34:28,473
Speaker 2: Beaber's slip back bun all the time, be careful. I'm

852
00:34:28,594 --> 00:34:31,354
Speaker 2: so serious the amount of girls doing it. I'm like,

853
00:34:31,514 --> 00:34:33,314
Speaker 2: you don't have Hailey's money to fix this.

854
00:34:33,714 --> 00:34:36,794
Speaker 1: You be careful. It's a message from me to.

855
00:34:36,834 --> 00:34:41,714
Speaker 2: You onto another young, blonde, gorgeous woman who made getting

856
00:34:41,714 --> 00:34:43,754
Speaker 2: around Sydney difficult this week, there's no other way to

857
00:34:43,754 --> 00:34:46,194
Speaker 2: spin it. That's where we're aut in as well, Margo Robbie.

858
00:34:46,234 --> 00:34:48,714
Speaker 2: So obviously we've already talked a lot about Wuthering Hirs,

859
00:34:48,754 --> 00:34:50,794
Speaker 2: her new movie More to Come on that. This is

860
00:34:50,874 --> 00:34:53,154
Speaker 2: more about something that came out for the press tour,

861
00:34:53,274 --> 00:34:56,274
Speaker 2: because she did quite a lot of interviews promoting the movie,

862
00:34:56,394 --> 00:34:58,554
Speaker 2: and often she was paired with Jacob sometimes she was

863
00:34:58,594 --> 00:35:00,953
Speaker 2: paired with Emerald of the film's director, but in one

864
00:35:01,074 --> 00:35:03,913
Speaker 2: interview with Complex, she was paired with Charlie XCX, who

865
00:35:03,954 --> 00:35:05,554
Speaker 2: did the music for the movie, which you were a

866
00:35:05,714 --> 00:35:09,674
Speaker 2: huge fan of. Such a good album. Believe my thoughts

867
00:35:09,714 --> 00:35:10,754
Speaker 2: of the movie till later.

868
00:35:12,434 --> 00:35:12,993
Speaker 1: It's so good.

869
00:35:12,994 --> 00:35:14,834
Speaker 2: I've listened to that album on repeat all weekend.

870
00:35:15,034 --> 00:35:15,234
Speaker 3: Yes.

871
00:35:15,314 --> 00:35:17,794
Speaker 2: So they did a peed interview and in it they

872
00:35:17,834 --> 00:35:20,114
Speaker 2: were getting asked a couple of different questions about the

873
00:35:20,194 --> 00:35:24,234
Speaker 2: worst gift they had ever received. Interesting junker question, especially

874
00:35:24,274 --> 00:35:26,474
Speaker 2: because the movie was coming out in Valentine's Days, is

875
00:35:26,514 --> 00:35:29,234
Speaker 2: about Valentine's Day gifts or just gifts in general, And

876
00:35:29,394 --> 00:35:31,714
Speaker 2: what Marco said went on to become a little bit viral.

877
00:35:32,354 --> 00:35:36,034
Speaker 3: Very very early in my career, I worked an actor

878
00:35:36,074 --> 00:35:38,274
Speaker 3: I worked with, a male actor gave me a book

879
00:35:38,354 --> 00:35:41,154
Speaker 3: called Why French Women Don't Get Fat, and it was

880
00:35:41,234 --> 00:35:43,314
Speaker 3: essentially a book telling you to eat less.

881
00:35:43,474 --> 00:35:47,154
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, whoa fuck you dude.

882
00:35:46,994 --> 00:35:48,914
Speaker 3: And it essentially gave me a book to let me

883
00:35:48,994 --> 00:35:49,993
Speaker 3: know that I should lose weight.

884
00:35:50,074 --> 00:35:52,953
Speaker 2: Oh wow, I mean, what a reveal. And I can

885
00:35:53,074 --> 00:35:55,674
Speaker 2: understand why that's gone viral. First of all, people are

886
00:35:55,674 --> 00:35:58,074
Speaker 2: trying to find this man. They do say the interview

887
00:35:58,274 --> 00:36:01,434
Speaker 2: that he is not really around very much anymore, and

888
00:36:01,514 --> 00:36:03,794
Speaker 2: then Charlie XCX is like, yet his career is over,

889
00:36:04,034 --> 00:36:05,674
Speaker 2: so they never actually say who it was. But it

890
00:36:05,754 --> 00:36:08,154
Speaker 2: also made me think that when Margot or we first

891
00:36:08,194 --> 00:36:11,074
Speaker 2: started acting in Hollywood, she was always paired with like

892
00:36:11,154 --> 00:36:13,914
Speaker 2: a very famous, much older male co star, so we

893
00:36:14,034 --> 00:36:17,433
Speaker 2: had like Leonardo DiCaprio in Wolf of Wall Street, Will

894
00:36:17,514 --> 00:36:20,913
Speaker 2: Smith in Focus, And I think maybe sometimes people think

895
00:36:20,954 --> 00:36:22,714
Speaker 2: it could be them, but when she said they're not

896
00:36:22,754 --> 00:36:25,194
Speaker 2: really around anymore, or she was trying to throw us off,

897
00:36:25,674 --> 00:36:27,514
Speaker 2: but I don't think it was either of them. I

898
00:36:27,594 --> 00:36:29,513
Speaker 2: feel like it's got to be someone from like when

899
00:36:29,594 --> 00:36:32,034
Speaker 2: she first first got to Hollywood, because they you wouldn't

900
00:36:32,034 --> 00:36:33,754
Speaker 2: say it after I mean, maybe you would men have

901
00:36:33,834 --> 00:36:36,074
Speaker 2: audacity if we know one thing, it's that, Yeah, but

902
00:36:36,274 --> 00:36:38,034
Speaker 2: like you think they wouldn't say it to someone like

903
00:36:38,114 --> 00:36:39,873
Speaker 2: Margo once she's been in Wolf of Wall Street, once

904
00:36:39,874 --> 00:36:41,754
Speaker 2: she's had bigger roles. Like, I'm kind of thinking, was

905
00:36:41,794 --> 00:36:42,674
Speaker 2: it Pan m Oh?

906
00:36:42,754 --> 00:36:44,754
Speaker 1: I was thinking, was panm two? Like when she first

907
00:36:44,794 --> 00:36:47,274
Speaker 1: got to America, she was on TV? I remember any

908
00:36:47,354 --> 00:36:49,474
Speaker 1: men from that show? Were they on that show? Was

909
00:36:49,594 --> 00:36:51,714
Speaker 1: Eddie Sobrani on that show? Maybe?

910
00:36:51,914 --> 00:36:53,834
Speaker 2: I mean, so that's a good question. I'm like, who

911
00:36:53,874 --> 00:36:55,873
Speaker 2: are any of these men? I'm looking at IMDb right now.

912
00:36:55,914 --> 00:36:56,834
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't know any of you.

913
00:36:56,914 --> 00:37:00,194
Speaker 1: Although David Harbor wasn't that Oh? Otherwise of course it

914
00:37:00,354 --> 00:37:01,194
Speaker 1: was David Harbor.

915
00:37:01,474 --> 00:37:03,834
Speaker 2: I'm like, who are these boys? Kind of nobody's so

916
00:37:04,434 --> 00:37:07,594
Speaker 2: well that could clock with her story. So one of

917
00:37:07,674 --> 00:37:10,513
Speaker 2: her first big movie roles was also about time. Yeah,

918
00:37:10,714 --> 00:37:12,354
Speaker 2: but then I was like, Donald Lease and come on,

919
00:37:13,034 --> 00:37:15,594
Speaker 2: he's still around number one, number two? No, Yeah, I

920
00:37:15,594 --> 00:37:18,154
Speaker 2: couldn't exchange that villains story from him? Or was it

921
00:37:18,274 --> 00:37:20,754
Speaker 2: she said, very very early in my career? Did she

922
00:37:20,874 --> 00:37:21,954
Speaker 2: mean someone from Neighbors?

923
00:37:22,394 --> 00:37:23,314
Speaker 1: That's Colly?

924
00:37:25,914 --> 00:37:28,314
Speaker 2: Can you imagine that's why she left that show, so

925
00:37:28,394 --> 00:37:29,714
Speaker 2: we'll never just like, and that's why I went to

926
00:37:29,794 --> 00:37:32,514
Speaker 2: Chinseltown the terrorists of Neighbors.

927
00:37:32,914 --> 00:37:39,354
Speaker 1: JK, that's a joke, and so that has gone crazy viral.

928
00:37:39,554 --> 00:37:41,754
Speaker 2: Yeah. One thing I'll just say is like, I don't

929
00:37:41,754 --> 00:37:43,473
Speaker 2: know if she's read the book, because I've read that book.

930
00:37:43,954 --> 00:37:45,914
Speaker 1: I've read the memories of this book. Have you read it?

931
00:37:45,994 --> 00:37:48,873
Speaker 2: Every magazine in the bloody world was recommending it when

932
00:37:48,954 --> 00:37:51,674
Speaker 2: it came out, like every women's mag My friend's mum

933
00:37:51,714 --> 00:37:53,274
Speaker 2: had a copy, and I remember reading the blurb and

934
00:37:53,354 --> 00:37:55,554
Speaker 2: wanting to read it, like I wanted to read this

935
00:37:55,634 --> 00:37:56,754
Speaker 2: book as a young girl.

936
00:37:56,754 --> 00:37:57,954
Speaker 1: I think I was part of that problem.

937
00:37:58,074 --> 00:38:00,434
Speaker 2: Yeah, young girl like came out in what twenty fourteen?

938
00:38:00,794 --> 00:38:01,953
Speaker 2: I'm a child still?

939
00:38:01,994 --> 00:38:04,993
Speaker 1: Okay, So I was working then. I how old would

940
00:38:04,994 --> 00:38:05,354
Speaker 1: I have been.

941
00:38:05,634 --> 00:38:07,194
Speaker 2: I was in Uni, but I remember being a my

942
00:38:07,274 --> 00:38:09,913
Speaker 2: friend's house and seeing it and going, what's this? Yeah, okay,

943
00:38:09,954 --> 00:38:12,074
Speaker 2: I'm not defending the fat shaming man at all. I

944
00:38:12,114 --> 00:38:14,754
Speaker 2: want that to just be so clearly cool because we

945
00:38:14,834 --> 00:38:17,274
Speaker 2: also established like what age I was and where I

946
00:38:17,474 --> 00:38:19,714
Speaker 2: was in whose house? No, No, I think maybe the

947
00:38:19,754 --> 00:38:21,714
Speaker 2: first book had come out much earlier. You're right, he

948
00:38:21,754 --> 00:38:23,354
Speaker 2: had come out of the early two thousands, and then

949
00:38:23,434 --> 00:38:27,074
Speaker 2: she wrote the author care one Hey, yeah, so yes,

950
00:38:27,154 --> 00:38:29,433
Speaker 2: the book Why frenchhomen Don't Get Fat. That book came

951
00:38:29,474 --> 00:38:31,674
Speaker 2: out in two thousand and four. But then I interviewed

952
00:38:31,714 --> 00:38:34,114
Speaker 2: her in twenty fourteen when she was in Australia doing

953
00:38:34,234 --> 00:38:35,914
Speaker 2: press and promo for her other books.

954
00:38:36,194 --> 00:38:37,034
Speaker 1: People loved this.

955
00:38:37,154 --> 00:38:38,873
Speaker 2: It was big, they thought it was fun, they thought

956
00:38:38,874 --> 00:38:41,274
Speaker 2: it was flirty. I remember so vividly as before I

957
00:38:41,274 --> 00:38:43,274
Speaker 2: worked to mammea. I went to interview her and I

958
00:38:43,314 --> 00:38:45,154
Speaker 2: had to drive my shitty car and park in this

959
00:38:45,314 --> 00:38:48,314
Speaker 2: like shitty garage, not friendship that I know. That cost

960
00:38:48,394 --> 00:38:49,834
Speaker 2: me so much money, and then I had to go

961
00:38:49,994 --> 00:38:52,354
Speaker 2: and have tea with this woman who have also red hair,

962
00:38:52,394 --> 00:38:58,354
Speaker 2: because that is French, I actually think. And I remember

963
00:38:58,434 --> 00:39:01,274
Speaker 2: going into the hotel to interview this author, and I

964
00:39:01,474 --> 00:39:03,834
Speaker 2: remember people being like in all that she was in

965
00:39:03,954 --> 00:39:06,953
Speaker 2: this hotel, that she was in Brisbane, like people will

966
00:39:07,154 --> 00:39:10,033
Speaker 2: lighting up outside like it was crazy. And we sat

967
00:39:10,074 --> 00:39:11,754
Speaker 2: down together and we had tea, neither of us eight

968
00:39:12,074 --> 00:39:13,194
Speaker 2: because I assumed that was.

969
00:39:13,194 --> 00:39:16,154
Speaker 1: The wrong thing. Okay, okay, carry on.

970
00:39:16,234 --> 00:39:18,754
Speaker 2: But then she was very funny and witty, and I'm

971
00:39:18,794 --> 00:39:20,433
Speaker 2: just I'm again, I'm not defeaying the book, but I'm

972
00:39:20,434 --> 00:39:21,994
Speaker 2: just saying like it was kind of like a cultural

973
00:39:22,074 --> 00:39:24,593
Speaker 2: moment where everyone was like, hey, well this book is great.

974
00:39:25,234 --> 00:39:28,114
Speaker 2: It's all about like just eat. What's the tail deer? Oh.

975
00:39:28,234 --> 00:39:30,913
Speaker 2: So she does talk about like gaining weight in loving

976
00:39:30,954 --> 00:39:32,434
Speaker 2: it because it was like her passion for life, But

977
00:39:32,514 --> 00:39:34,114
Speaker 2: mostly she just talks about the fact that you should

978
00:39:34,154 --> 00:39:37,674
Speaker 2: like intuitively eat, not count calories, but intuitively eat. She

979
00:39:37,794 --> 00:39:40,594
Speaker 2: means like every five weeks you might have like a

980
00:39:40,714 --> 00:39:43,434
Speaker 2: tablespoon of moose, you know, after you've had sex with

981
00:39:43,514 --> 00:39:45,154
Speaker 2: one of your lovers, and the rest of the time

982
00:39:45,554 --> 00:39:46,594
Speaker 2: you just have cabbage water.

983
00:39:46,874 --> 00:39:47,034
Speaker 3: Yeah.

984
00:39:47,154 --> 00:39:50,154
Speaker 1: So true. So that was just that insuetive eating.

985
00:39:50,474 --> 00:39:53,474
Speaker 2: But at the time, I wasn't as across the nuances

986
00:39:53,514 --> 00:39:55,634
Speaker 2: of diet culture and body image as I am now.

987
00:39:55,834 --> 00:39:57,514
Speaker 2: So I'm just like being like, this is such a

988
00:39:57,554 --> 00:39:59,154
Speaker 2: great story, and I think I wrote like a rave

989
00:39:59,234 --> 00:40:02,913
Speaker 2: review of her they were as a very solid rating.

990
00:40:03,034 --> 00:40:04,914
Speaker 2: I don't know if this particular actor was reading my

991
00:40:05,154 --> 00:40:07,473
Speaker 2: article or getting in on that, but it's it's kind

992
00:40:07,474 --> 00:40:09,994
Speaker 2: of interesting just now that Margot Robbie has brought that

993
00:40:10,074 --> 00:40:12,634
Speaker 2: book back into the main focus It just kind of

994
00:40:12,634 --> 00:40:14,354
Speaker 2: made me think of what a cultural moment it was

995
00:40:14,914 --> 00:40:17,154
Speaker 2: and how she must have felt receiving that, because the

996
00:40:17,234 --> 00:40:18,794
Speaker 2: end of Date is a book being like, if you're

997
00:40:18,834 --> 00:40:20,714
Speaker 2: really sexy and you love life, you won't eat.

998
00:40:20,914 --> 00:40:20,954
Speaker 1: No.

999
00:40:21,074 --> 00:40:22,674
Speaker 2: It's one thing to be like, hey, this book was

1000
00:40:22,714 --> 00:40:24,274
Speaker 2: a big moment. It's another thing to be like a

1001
00:40:24,354 --> 00:40:26,393
Speaker 2: male co star and go, you know a book, he

1002
00:40:26,634 --> 00:40:29,514
Speaker 2: read it, or he just read the title, and whoever

1003
00:40:29,594 --> 00:40:31,874
Speaker 2: he is read that book. Yeah, because it also.

1004
00:40:31,754 --> 00:40:33,474
Speaker 1: Is meant to a little bit empowering of like, you know,

1005
00:40:33,634 --> 00:40:36,354
Speaker 1: women are in charge and their sensuousness.

1006
00:40:35,674 --> 00:40:38,114
Speaker 2: Blah blah blah blah blah. But overall, the title is

1007
00:40:38,234 --> 00:40:40,154
Speaker 2: You'll be better if you're skinnier. And I'm going to

1008
00:40:40,194 --> 00:40:41,873
Speaker 2: go ahead and assume that this male actor who no

1009
00:40:41,954 --> 00:40:45,114
Speaker 2: longer works was read the title and gave it to

1010
00:40:45,194 --> 00:40:46,794
Speaker 2: his very young co star, which is.

1011
00:40:46,834 --> 00:40:48,554
Speaker 1: As an intimidation a real bitch me.

1012
00:40:48,714 --> 00:40:52,873
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really evil, and I mean it's not unexpected either,

1013
00:40:52,994 --> 00:40:55,393
Speaker 2: Like we've seen countless women in Hollywood talk about this,

1014
00:40:55,594 --> 00:40:57,634
Speaker 2: whether they were like there's a clip going around at

1015
00:40:57,634 --> 00:41:00,314
Speaker 2: the moment of Meryl Streep and Anne Hathaway and it's

1016
00:41:00,394 --> 00:41:02,514
Speaker 2: like Meryl being like, yeah, remember when they told you

1017
00:41:02,554 --> 00:41:04,114
Speaker 2: to lose weight for Devil West Prada, And she says

1018
00:41:04,154 --> 00:41:06,714
Speaker 2: that so casually, and Anne's like ahu, and Meryl's like,

1019
00:41:06,754 --> 00:41:08,914
Speaker 2: I said, you dare, and like Meryl's telling it is

1020
00:41:08,914 --> 00:41:11,994
Speaker 2: like this defensive thing. But it was so normal for women,

1021
00:41:12,434 --> 00:41:14,634
Speaker 2: and I mean still is. They're just not as like

1022
00:41:14,794 --> 00:41:16,634
Speaker 2: vocal about it. I guess or you know who that was.

1023
00:41:16,674 --> 00:41:18,954
Speaker 2: That was the Patricia Field of it all, because she

1024
00:41:19,274 --> 00:41:22,114
Speaker 2: very were not famously, but I remember it like when

1025
00:41:22,194 --> 00:41:23,674
Speaker 2: she was dressing the women in Sex and the City,

1026
00:41:23,834 --> 00:41:25,274
Speaker 2: was just like will we give the clothes to the

1027
00:41:25,434 --> 00:41:27,114
Speaker 2: thinner women? We give the better clothes to them. And

1028
00:41:27,194 --> 00:41:29,594
Speaker 2: when Cynthia and Nixon, even when she was giving her

1029
00:41:29,634 --> 00:41:31,234
Speaker 2: I mean, she's of a time and I understand much

1030
00:41:31,274 --> 00:41:33,314
Speaker 2: just how she talks. But when she was talking about

1031
00:41:33,434 --> 00:41:35,154
Speaker 2: dressing the women for the Sex and the City movie,

1032
00:41:35,194 --> 00:41:37,714
Speaker 2: I remember her saying Patricia Field, who's like the very

1033
00:41:37,754 --> 00:41:40,354
Speaker 2: famous stylists who cultivated all their clothes, saying like, oh,

1034
00:41:40,394 --> 00:41:41,993
Speaker 2: you know, so Cynthia lost some weight for the movie,

1035
00:41:42,034 --> 00:41:43,594
Speaker 2: so now she gets to wear the good clothes. And

1036
00:41:43,834 --> 00:41:45,714
Speaker 2: she was the one pulling all the Devil wears prior

1037
00:41:45,754 --> 00:41:47,393
Speaker 2: to looks, So I'm assuming that she was leading the

1038
00:41:47,474 --> 00:41:47,914
Speaker 2: charge on that.

1039
00:41:48,274 --> 00:41:52,554
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeuk. Yeah. Again, it was a thing.

1040
00:41:52,994 --> 00:41:54,714
Speaker 2: It's been a massive thing, and it's something that like

1041
00:41:54,794 --> 00:41:56,953
Speaker 2: a lot of women hadn't spoken about at the time either,

1042
00:41:57,074 --> 00:41:59,274
Speaker 2: like they spoke about it later. Like Kate Winslow recently

1043
00:41:59,354 --> 00:42:01,433
Speaker 2: has been very vocal about how she was treated during

1044
00:42:01,514 --> 00:42:03,994
Speaker 2: Titanic and actually since she got to like confront someone

1045
00:42:04,434 --> 00:42:06,194
Speaker 2: from her past who made her feel that way, and

1046
00:42:06,274 --> 00:42:08,834
Speaker 2: she told them, I hope this haunts you well, good

1047
00:42:09,074 --> 00:42:11,154
Speaker 2: and fair enough, Kate Winsley. I remember when I interviewed

1048
00:42:11,154 --> 00:42:13,634
Speaker 2: Emma Thompson because I did some some sensibility Emma Thompson,

1049
00:42:13,834 --> 00:42:15,873
Speaker 2: and she was I love everything that woman has to

1050
00:42:15,874 --> 00:42:16,674
Speaker 2: slide of my life.

1051
00:42:16,754 --> 00:42:18,354
Speaker 1: Sitting in that wom sitting in a bar with that

1052
00:42:18,434 --> 00:42:20,394
Speaker 1: woman for two hours doing a podcast lo the highlight

1053
00:42:20,434 --> 00:42:22,674
Speaker 1: of my life. But when we were talking about I

1054
00:42:22,794 --> 00:42:25,714
Speaker 1: know it was just a five hour podcast, but she.

1055
00:42:25,874 --> 00:42:27,913
Speaker 2: Was telling me on sense and sensibility because I asked

1056
00:42:27,914 --> 00:42:30,033
Speaker 2: her about like protecting co stars and she was saying

1057
00:42:30,074 --> 00:42:32,034
Speaker 2: that they knew not to mess with her, but she

1058
00:42:32,154 --> 00:42:33,873
Speaker 2: was a bit older and established there. But they told

1059
00:42:33,954 --> 00:42:35,754
Speaker 2: Kate Winslet to lose weight, and she went up to

1060
00:42:35,794 --> 00:42:37,474
Speaker 2: the producer and said, like, if I ever hear you

1061
00:42:37,514 --> 00:42:40,234
Speaker 2: say that to her again, I'm gonna energy, basically, but

1062
00:42:40,634 --> 00:42:42,554
Speaker 2: it's so interesting. It's such a pervasive thing. It's a

1063
00:42:42,674 --> 00:42:44,794
Speaker 2: massive thing that happens all the time. Yeah, but those

1064
00:42:44,874 --> 00:42:47,953
Speaker 2: movies were talking about in like Titanic Devlois Prada well

1065
00:42:48,034 --> 00:42:48,953
Speaker 2: over twenty years ago.

1066
00:42:49,074 --> 00:42:50,394
Speaker 1: I'd say that Margot's.

1067
00:42:50,034 --> 00:42:52,913
Speaker 2: Talking about like maybe fifty twenty years ago, maybe ten

1068
00:42:53,034 --> 00:42:56,114
Speaker 2: years ago ish. But I'd also say that it's most

1069
00:42:56,194 --> 00:42:57,953
Speaker 2: probably still happening on sets now.

1070
00:42:58,594 --> 00:42:59,393
Speaker 1: I don't think.

1071
00:42:59,514 --> 00:43:01,634
Speaker 2: I mean, it's hard to say, I don't think because

1072
00:43:01,634 --> 00:43:04,714
Speaker 2: of who Margot Robbie is now, and also the fact

1073
00:43:04,754 --> 00:43:06,873
Speaker 2: that most of the movies that she works on now

1074
00:43:07,394 --> 00:43:10,234
Speaker 2: are made by her production company, So she is not

1075
00:43:10,354 --> 00:43:12,594
Speaker 2: just the leading lady. She's also the boss, and she's

1076
00:43:12,594 --> 00:43:14,434
Speaker 2: also in charge of the roll out. And yes, she

1077
00:43:14,474 --> 00:43:17,034
Speaker 2: has other people that she answers to the studio's distribution,

1078
00:43:17,634 --> 00:43:19,434
Speaker 2: her co stars and stuff like that, but she's the

1079
00:43:19,474 --> 00:43:21,194
Speaker 2: boss on set. So I say, no one is saying

1080
00:43:21,234 --> 00:43:23,794
Speaker 2: that to her now, but even you can kind of

1081
00:43:23,834 --> 00:43:26,074
Speaker 2: tell that she's still feeling the pressure because She's talked

1082
00:43:26,074 --> 00:43:27,914
Speaker 2: a few times about the fact that when she was

1083
00:43:27,954 --> 00:43:30,994
Speaker 2: filming Wuthering Heights again, such a big sexy movie, so

1084
00:43:31,194 --> 00:43:32,873
Speaker 2: much of it sexy, it's meant to be sexy.

1085
00:43:32,914 --> 00:43:34,314
Speaker 1: Obviously not all of it is, but there's a.

1086
00:43:34,314 --> 00:43:37,314
Speaker 2: Lot of sex scenes, and there's a lot of scene,

1087
00:43:37,594 --> 00:43:39,634
Speaker 2: a lot of Corse Street. The way her body looks

1088
00:43:39,714 --> 00:43:41,873
Speaker 2: is a huge part of the story, and she'd only

1089
00:43:41,914 --> 00:43:44,194
Speaker 2: given birth a few months prior. So she has said

1090
00:43:44,194 --> 00:43:46,474
Speaker 2: that she wasn't feeling herself and she felt self conscious,

1091
00:43:46,954 --> 00:43:49,234
Speaker 2: and now everyone's making such a big deal of like, look,

1092
00:43:49,274 --> 00:43:51,873
Speaker 2: how slimmed down she looks. A lot of the reactionary

1093
00:43:51,994 --> 00:43:53,674
Speaker 2: content to the press to her and the film is

1094
00:43:53,714 --> 00:43:56,154
Speaker 2: about her body. It is about how thin she looks. Like.

1095
00:43:56,194 --> 00:43:57,194
Speaker 1: There's a prominent.

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00:43:56,874 --> 00:43:59,794
Speaker 2: Podcaster who put up a video being like me when

1097
00:43:59,834 --> 00:44:02,433
Speaker 2: I watch Weathering Heights and it's just them googling when

1098
00:44:02,474 --> 00:44:05,873
Speaker 2: did Muga Robbie give birth? And I'm like, act like

1099
00:44:05,954 --> 00:44:08,234
Speaker 2: Jenna doing and may whitmen have commented being like me too,

1100
00:44:08,314 --> 00:44:10,554
Speaker 2: girl and like they're in the industry. Yeah, So it's

1101
00:44:10,914 --> 00:44:13,074
Speaker 2: clearly something that impacts a lot of people. But there's

1102
00:44:13,114 --> 00:44:16,393
Speaker 2: a really weird discussion going on simultaneously with outrage over

1103
00:44:16,474 --> 00:44:18,914
Speaker 2: this book, there's also a really weird conversation going on

1104
00:44:18,994 --> 00:44:21,754
Speaker 2: about how skinny Margo is. Yeah, and that's the thing too,

1105
00:44:21,834 --> 00:44:23,634
Speaker 2: as much as like people look at this stuff back

1106
00:44:23,674 --> 00:44:25,354
Speaker 2: in the past of like, oh, I can't believe that

1107
00:44:25,434 --> 00:44:28,154
Speaker 2: awful coastar gave her that book, and it's like that's

1108
00:44:28,194 --> 00:44:30,994
Speaker 2: happening right now on this press tour for Wuthering Heights.

1109
00:44:31,114 --> 00:44:33,114
Speaker 2: Is that she felt a certain way about her body.

1110
00:44:33,274 --> 00:44:34,913
Speaker 2: She was getting I'm sure she was getting some sort

1111
00:44:34,954 --> 00:44:37,034
Speaker 2: of pressure, even if he won't saying even if it's

1112
00:44:37,074 --> 00:44:39,434
Speaker 2: just the pressure of knowing how critique she would be,

1113
00:44:39,554 --> 00:44:41,234
Speaker 2: that she was worried about her body in the movie,

1114
00:44:41,754 --> 00:44:43,433
Speaker 2: had to look a certain way for the press tour

1115
00:44:43,514 --> 00:44:46,314
Speaker 2: in order to fulfill this fantasy that people have so

1116
00:44:46,474 --> 00:44:48,114
Speaker 2: they'll go see the movie. It's kind of like this

1117
00:44:48,314 --> 00:44:51,834
Speaker 2: endless loop and it's just, yeah, kind of interesting and

1118
00:44:51,874 --> 00:44:53,794
Speaker 2: a bit sad that like twenty years later we're kind

1119
00:44:53,834 --> 00:44:56,154
Speaker 2: of still having the same conversation. Yeah, the reaction is

1120
00:44:56,354 --> 00:44:58,274
Speaker 2: she looks so great, she has nothing to worry about,

1121
00:44:58,274 --> 00:44:59,993
Speaker 2: and it's like, oh, so she would have had something

1122
00:45:00,034 --> 00:45:00,634
Speaker 2: to worry about.

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00:45:00,794 --> 00:45:01,234
Speaker 1: Yeah, if she.

1124
00:45:01,194 --> 00:45:02,714
Speaker 2: Didn't get as skinny as you would have liked her

1125
00:45:02,754 --> 00:45:05,474
Speaker 2: to have been. Oh, that's what is ridiculous about the

1126
00:45:05,474 --> 00:45:08,433
Speaker 2: two conversations happening at the same time. Yeah, which everyone knows,

1127
00:45:08,474 --> 00:45:11,274
Speaker 2: like it's obviously staring us in the space. But it's frustrating.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. My other griph with this, because I have

1129
00:45:14,674 --> 00:45:15,314
Speaker 1: so many gripes.

1130
00:45:15,674 --> 00:45:17,714
Speaker 2: My other grap on this is that I just wish

1131
00:45:17,834 --> 00:45:21,314
Speaker 2: that people would be upset about other modes of body

1132
00:45:21,394 --> 00:45:25,234
Speaker 2: shaming and fat shaming when they don't happen to a thin, blonde,

1133
00:45:25,314 --> 00:45:28,594
Speaker 2: beautiful woman who is conventionally attractive. Because the amount of

1134
00:45:28,634 --> 00:45:31,594
Speaker 2: people I have seen sharing about this, posting about this,

1135
00:45:31,914 --> 00:45:34,794
Speaker 2: defending Margo Robbie, like saying she was doing the right

1136
00:45:34,834 --> 00:45:36,994
Speaker 2: thing to speak out, which is all lovely and correct,

1137
00:45:37,794 --> 00:45:40,634
Speaker 2: But I just don't see that rise of concern and

1138
00:45:40,714 --> 00:45:43,034
Speaker 2: that rise of voices for all the other things that

1139
00:45:43,074 --> 00:45:45,154
Speaker 2: are happening in this industry or just in real life

1140
00:45:45,154 --> 00:45:48,114
Speaker 2: at the moment, about like representation of bodies going down,

1141
00:45:48,354 --> 00:45:51,234
Speaker 2: or like actresses being like not given movie roles or

1142
00:45:51,314 --> 00:45:53,274
Speaker 2: TV parts or anything because of how their bodies look.

1143
00:45:53,394 --> 00:45:55,953
Speaker 2: Like women who are seen as like curvy or fat

1144
00:45:56,074 --> 00:45:57,994
Speaker 2: or overweight or however you want to just self describe

1145
00:45:58,714 --> 00:46:00,834
Speaker 2: being like taunted for their weight. I don't see people

1146
00:46:00,874 --> 00:46:04,114
Speaker 2: getting upset about that because it's a more difficult conversation

1147
00:46:04,914 --> 00:46:06,834
Speaker 2: and it doesn't have a happy ending the way that

1148
00:46:06,874 --> 00:46:09,474
Speaker 2: my go Robbies does, because she told that man to

1149
00:46:09,514 --> 00:46:11,394
Speaker 2: go away, and now she's rich and famous and beautiful

1150
00:46:11,394 --> 00:46:13,513
Speaker 2: and everyone loves her and it's like this full circle thing,

1151
00:46:13,554 --> 00:46:16,154
Speaker 2: and so everyone who cheers her on and says like, yeah, she.

1152
00:46:16,234 --> 00:46:18,074
Speaker 1: Did it, like it's it's so simple.

1153
00:46:18,634 --> 00:46:20,873
Speaker 2: It's very simple. And the year she did it comes

1154
00:46:20,914 --> 00:46:23,914
Speaker 2: with her. Yeah, but she's hot. Yeah, and she's obviously

1155
00:46:23,994 --> 00:46:26,553
Speaker 2: had to keep making herself small and small and stay

1156
00:46:26,594 --> 00:46:28,674
Speaker 2: small no matter what's happening in her life in order

1157
00:46:28,754 --> 00:46:31,953
Speaker 2: to keep this level of fame, which is the other thing.

1158
00:46:32,114 --> 00:46:33,714
Speaker 2: That's why I think people think it's a nice cut

1159
00:46:33,714 --> 00:46:35,834
Speaker 2: and dry case for them to get to get behind it,

1160
00:46:35,994 --> 00:46:38,473
Speaker 2: invested it. They're like, this is wrong, and it is wrong. Yeah,

1161
00:46:38,514 --> 00:46:40,514
Speaker 2: man should not have done that. Oh no, no, behaved

1162
00:46:40,514 --> 00:46:42,033
Speaker 2: in that way. He's gross, And I'm glad his career

1163
00:46:42,074 --> 00:46:44,234
Speaker 2: is over. And I hope he watched those clips and oh.

1164
00:46:44,274 --> 00:46:45,913
Speaker 1: I hope he's trying to get PanAm back on them.

1165
00:46:49,314 --> 00:46:51,794
Speaker 2: We don't know anything about PanAm, but like, I hope

1166
00:46:51,834 --> 00:46:54,194
Speaker 2: he's watching this all unfold and feeling like shit, but yeah,

1167
00:46:54,234 --> 00:46:54,434
Speaker 2: it is.

1168
00:46:54,594 --> 00:46:55,994
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just think that's frustrating it.

1169
00:46:56,154 --> 00:46:58,594
Speaker 2: I think it was kind of framed in this moment

1170
00:46:58,714 --> 00:47:01,953
Speaker 2: of like body positivity and girl bossary and all those

1171
00:47:02,114 --> 00:47:04,434
Speaker 2: terms while she's doing this press to her And I

1172
00:47:04,594 --> 00:47:06,994
Speaker 2: just would love everyone who took that energy to me

1173
00:47:07,554 --> 00:47:09,994
Speaker 2: keep that going and focusing on all the other areas

1174
00:47:10,034 --> 00:47:12,034
Speaker 2: because at the end of the day, Marga Robbie does

1175
00:47:12,114 --> 00:47:13,914
Speaker 2: not need you to be defending her, Like, yes, no

1176
00:47:13,914 --> 00:47:15,034
Speaker 2: one should be body shaming her.

1177
00:47:15,114 --> 00:47:16,714
Speaker 1: But it's like when people calling her mid. Do you

1178
00:47:16,754 --> 00:47:18,073
Speaker 1: remember that ago a few.

1179
00:47:18,034 --> 00:47:20,394
Speaker 2: Years ago, there was a photo of her surfing and everyone,

1180
00:47:20,434 --> 00:47:22,033
Speaker 2: and then there was a photo of her makeup free,

1181
00:47:22,074 --> 00:47:23,754
Speaker 2: and the two of those photos went around the internet

1182
00:47:23,794 --> 00:47:24,634
Speaker 2: with people saying.

1183
00:47:24,674 --> 00:47:26,034
Speaker 1: She's mid, She's not even.

1184
00:47:25,914 --> 00:47:30,314
Speaker 2: That hot, and outraged that people had defending her. Yeah,

1185
00:47:30,314 --> 00:47:32,953
Speaker 2: and again, very nice and we should defend Margot. She's

1186
00:47:33,074 --> 00:47:35,513
Speaker 2: absolutely lovely. She's one of my favorite celebs to ever

1187
00:47:35,594 --> 00:47:36,874
Speaker 2: interact with, just because.

1188
00:47:36,834 --> 00:47:38,714
Speaker 1: She's gorgeous inside too. Yeah, lovely.

1189
00:47:38,914 --> 00:47:41,674
Speaker 2: Never had experience with her all many times I've interacted

1190
00:47:41,714 --> 00:47:44,274
Speaker 2: with her. But again, I don't think that's the soul

1191
00:47:44,314 --> 00:47:46,354
Speaker 2: we should all be jumping on. But we do because

1192
00:47:46,514 --> 00:47:50,154
Speaker 2: it's such an easy narrative of like protect the conventionally blonde,

1193
00:47:50,194 --> 00:47:53,634
Speaker 2: beautiful woman and just leave it at that. Thank you

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