WEBVTT - That Bizarre Emma Stone Casting Decision [throw back]

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<v Speaker 1>how many days, but allegedly it's soon. Anyway, Today we

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<v Speaker 1>need to talk about emmastone. Can you picture her in

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<v Speaker 1>your mind? Should she have played a Hawaiian woman who

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<v Speaker 1>was part Asian in a film. Absolutely not. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>for us to say. But no, I don't know. No.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a moment from our big episode on emmastone

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<v Speaker 1>Jesse Aloha controversy. This is perhaps one of my favorite

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<v Speaker 1>canceled defenses of all time. Aloha was a twenty fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>romantic comedy starring Bradley Cooper, Rachel McAdams, John Krasinski, Phil Murray,

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<v Speaker 1>and Emmastone. You can't let one small mouth Falgus.

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<v Speaker 2>Rowan a second chance?

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<v Speaker 1>What does a second chance? Your old boss.

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<v Speaker 2>Wants you back. It's away our old stomping ground.

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<v Speaker 1>Halloha, he'll crass. You're back in the game.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to introduce you to your Air Force liaison.

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<v Speaker 1>She's a fast burner, a double espresso, sir, I'm still Jack.

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<v Speaker 1>It was directed by Cameron Crowe, who directed such bangers

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<v Speaker 1>as Almost Famous Jerry Maguire, Vanilla Sky and we boret

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<v Speaker 1>A Zoo. Vanilla Sky also known as your husband's favorite

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<v Speaker 1>favorite film. I was talking to my husband about this

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<v Speaker 1>and I said, you know that terrible movie Aloha. This

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<v Speaker 1>guy directed it, but he's actually directed some good movies

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<v Speaker 1>and Rory said, such as Vanilla Skuy because he knew

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<v Speaker 1>who the director was his favorite movie. He makes everyone

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<v Speaker 1>watch it. It's not that good anyway. As of today,

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<v Speaker 1>Cameron Crowe has not directed a film since Aloha because

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<v Speaker 1>he was on a run. It will soon become clear

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<v Speaker 1>why he was like writer director. He was dominating Hollywood stride,

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<v Speaker 1>and then he went, I'm gonna take a risk here.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to make a film called Aloha after how

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<v Speaker 1>you say Hello Wai in Hawaii, and I'm gonna really

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<v Speaker 1>take a swing and cast Emma Stone. Did she play

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<v Speaker 1>a Hawaiian person? A quarter Hawaiian, a quarter Chinese? Oh shit, Okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I tried to watch this years ago and couldn't. That's

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<v Speaker 1>how bad it was. If you like to watch things

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<v Speaker 1>that are upsetting to yeah, I went, I went, it's

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<v Speaker 1>set in a beautiful place. Yeah, it's got a beautiful cast. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the plot's horrific. What else could I want? Yeah? What

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<v Speaker 1>could I want? I couldn't watch it. It was commercially

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<v Speaker 1>and critically a failure. It costs thirty seven million to

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<v Speaker 1>make and then grossed twenty six million with that cast,

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<v Speaker 1>with that cast, so word must have rows it about

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<v Speaker 1>because my memory is a an Emma Stone with makeup

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<v Speaker 1>that made her racially ambiguous, which I'm pretty sure is

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<v Speaker 1>more racist and I think like a military vibe. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>the premise is this, While an assignment in Hawaii, military

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<v Speaker 1>contractor Brian Gilcrest Bradley Cooper reconnects with his old flamee

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<v Speaker 1>Rachel McAdams, now married to an Air Force recruit, John Krasinski.

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<v Speaker 1>He also spends time with Alison John Krasinski the office Office. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I love that guy. Yeah, yeah, and he's really hot

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<v Speaker 1>in it. He's kind of jacked. He also spends time

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<v Speaker 1>with Alison Ning Emma Stone, a hard nosed fighter pilot

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<v Speaker 1>who watches every move that he makes. As they travel

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<v Speaker 1>through the lush terrain, Brian finds himself falling for Ning,

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<v Speaker 1>while his conversations with Tracy provide a shocking revelation from

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<v Speaker 1>their past. Now it's too confusing, it's too confusing. Let

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<v Speaker 1>me tell you about the character Alison Ing. It's ng.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like ring without the R or the ice. As

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<v Speaker 1>I said, she's meant to be one quarter Chinese, one

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<v Speaker 1>quarter Hawaiian. She's sort of like the cultural voice in

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<v Speaker 1>this right, but she's played by Emma Stone, which is

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<v Speaker 1>problematic in that Emma Stone is German, English, Irish and

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<v Speaker 1>wait for it, because this is important Scottish. This is

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<v Speaker 1>why we look alike. We've got identical backgrounds. No, genuinely.

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<v Speaker 1>There was unsurprisingly backlash to this casting decision. A Jezebel

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<v Speaker 1>headline read, Emma Stone playing a half Asian character in

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<v Speaker 1>Aloha literally? Why? Literally? The Media Action Network for Asian

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<v Speaker 1>Americans released a statement about the all white casting of

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<v Speaker 1>a movie set in Hawaii, and they said that sixty

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<v Speaker 1>percent of Hawaii's population is Asian Americans and Pacific Islanders.

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<v Speaker 1>Caucasians make up about thirty percent of the population, but

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<v Speaker 1>from watching the film, you'd think they made up ninety

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<v Speaker 1>nine percent. Now. The director responded to the backlash and

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<v Speaker 1>he said, I've heard your words and your disappointment. I

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<v Speaker 1>offer a heartfelt apology to all who felt this was

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<v Speaker 1>an odd or misguided casting choice. So has he explained, well, yes, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, as far back as two thousand and seven,

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<v Speaker 1>Captain Allison Ing, we've written to be a super proud

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<v Speaker 1>one quarter Hawaiian who was frustrated that by all outward appearances,

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<v Speaker 1>she looked nothing like one Okay, a half Chinese father

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<v Speaker 1>was meant to show the surprising mix of cultures often

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<v Speaker 1>prevalent in Hawaii. Extremely proud of her unlikely heritage, she

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<v Speaker 1>feels personally compelled to over explain every chance she gets.

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<v Speaker 1>The character was based on a real life redheaded local

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<v Speaker 1>who did just that. Ah, that's all lovely. The difference

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<v Speaker 1>is that the local was actually Hawaiian. Okay, Yeah, Hollywood

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<v Speaker 1>has an appalling track record when it comes to diverse representation.

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<v Speaker 1>And did you not think it was strange? Do make

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<v Speaker 1>Emma Stone play someone with the last name ying did nothing?

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<v Speaker 1>The issue, isn't it? And it's also like she's not

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<v Speaker 1>some unknown actress where you could almost put aside everything

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<v Speaker 1>you knew about them and maybe go, hey, maybe not actress.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Hawaiian. I know she's not. She is the whitest

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<v Speaker 1>actress who exists. She's so so white, which is fine

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<v Speaker 1>because ninety nine percent of roles for really white people. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so we got one role here for someone who isn't complete,

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<v Speaker 1>isn't completely white. Yeah, and we go you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>you know it hasn't been given a chance. Emily, little

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<v Speaker 1>old Emily. You know, she was fifteen inch made that PowerPoint. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>she hustled, Let's give her a go. Oh. I really

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<v Speaker 1>do think this is one of those examples. I'm obsessed

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<v Speaker 1>with how things like this happen in Hollywood, right that

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<v Speaker 1>no one sits around the table and goes Because I

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<v Speaker 1>think what happened is Cameron Crowe wrote it, and he went,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll just ask, I'll ask, and if it's weird, she'll

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<v Speaker 1>tell me, she'll say something. And maybe she thought he asked,

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<v Speaker 1>it must not be weird. Yeah, And then I think

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<v Speaker 1>Bradley Cooper was like, well, I don't know. He said

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<v Speaker 1>that it's fine. Everyone thought the other would check. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a class studio meeting, and you're thinking, no, the

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<v Speaker 1>studio checked. We got this signed off by all Hawaiian people, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>or something. Somebody did something to make sure that this

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<v Speaker 1>was It's a diffusion of responsibility. It's no one person's fault.

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<v Speaker 1>It is everyone's fault to varying degree. Because I think

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<v Speaker 1>Emma Stone is also like, hold on, Rachel McAdams is

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<v Speaker 1>in this film. She wouldn't sign on if this is offensive.

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<v Speaker 1>Bradley Cooper wouldn't know. John Krasinski seems like a good guy. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he wouldn't star in a scene with me if I

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<v Speaker 1>was cosplaying somebody of a different race when I really

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<v Speaker 1>but everybody at the whensk I made Vanilla Skuy. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he doesn't do stupid things. And then he's gone, oh look,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just yeah. It was definitely one of those things

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<v Speaker 1>where you look at the poster and you're like, oh shit,

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<v Speaker 1>how did that happen? They want me to believe em

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<v Speaker 1>the Stone's Hawaiian who made that? Call all of you

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit. But Jesse, it wasn't just that the

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<v Speaker 1>casting was bad. It was the film itself. And speaking

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<v Speaker 1>of people, you cancel along the way Cameron grow, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>what's he steel? And why hasn't he worked since other

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<v Speaker 1>than a lower Because it was so bad? I think

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<v Speaker 1>he got scared away from Hollywood. Yeah, Jesse come up

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<v Speaker 1>against this in the cancel courtroom before. When people do

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<v Speaker 1>a really bad piece of work, they hide, they hide,

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<v Speaker 1>they retreat into a sou and they go, never mind me,

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<v Speaker 1>here's a review. And then they retreat and then they

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<v Speaker 1>throw Emmstone out and then they go back to their

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<v Speaker 1>snow cave. Sorry if you're hurt, but they're offering in

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<v Speaker 1>the Stone Yeah, look, here's Emma Stone. Yeah, Bradley Like,

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<v Speaker 1>he's just offering people going leave me alone in a

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<v Speaker 1>snow cave in my cave. Here's a review from Vox.

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<v Speaker 1>Crow came into a low heart with a cast that

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<v Speaker 1>could melt silver linings, playbooks, off the planet, a dreamy

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<v Speaker 1>setting that people wouldn't mind spending eternity staring at. A

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<v Speaker 1>script that rights itself. Filmed set in Hawaii and Hawaii.

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<v Speaker 1>When we went to Hawaii, we were like, boom forgetting

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<v Speaker 1>Sarah Marshall. Yeah, Boom, Blue crash, boom, hich go to

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<v Speaker 1>every set. Yes, And I've just realized that all of

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<v Speaker 1>those movies are about white people. You know what I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't do. I didn't say, where's Aaloha filmed? Because I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't did say care, let's go to the Jurassic Park

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<v Speaker 1>part Yeah? Yeah, because that was very good. But the

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<v Speaker 1>whitewashing of Hawaii, it's serious. It's very problematic. Yeah. The

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<v Speaker 1>Vox review said, it's a script that writes itself because

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<v Speaker 1>people will throw money at you to see Bradley Cooper

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<v Speaker 1>kiss Emma Stone and Rachel McAdams and the actual real

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<v Speaker 1>life experience of living in Hawaii It's both mystifying and

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<v Speaker 1>unfair that he managed to take all that and turn

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<v Speaker 1>it into whatever Aloha is. I just could not shake

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<v Speaker 1>the films haunting and naked mediocrity. I was left thinking

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<v Speaker 1>about Aloha long after I left the theater. The movie

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<v Speaker 1>taunted me in a way that other bad movies hadn't.

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<v Speaker 1>This is when we do our movie marathon where we

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<v Speaker 1>watch and live blog cats, which we've been promising to

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<v Speaker 1>do for a while because of James Hardy's involvement. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think Aloha is after that. Yeah, No, I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's really important that we will. I watched the trailer

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<v Speaker 1>and I went, yeah, nah, it doesn't make sense. Doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>make sense. So Emma Stone what has sometimes been referred

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<v Speaker 1>to as the mannic Pixie dream girl. Oh yeah, And interestingly,

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<v Speaker 1>it was a Cameron Crowe film, Elizabethtown that made a

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<v Speaker 1>reviewer coin that term with the Kirsten Dunce. Yet I

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<v Speaker 1>do remember, because I did start to watch this movie

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<v Speaker 1>before I turned it off, and I do remember that

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<v Speaker 1>Emma Stone's character was all like blah, like just like

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<v Speaker 1>had no filter and turning up everywhere and like way

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<v Speaker 1>too straightly. But I'm hot, Yeah, I'm crazy, but I'm sexy.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm actually so crazy it makes me sexy. Yea, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So I'd.

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<v Speaker 2>Love to get a beverage or a peppermint t.

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<v Speaker 1>I discuss all kinds of stuff, the sky, future, yeah, everything.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a peppermint t girl.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you have a good time.

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<v Speaker 2>I met with you, sir.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, she played a trope. That's an issue, but she

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<v Speaker 1>did play it in an abysmal film. A BuzzFeed review,

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<v Speaker 1>you said, Aloha is the world's most bewildering romantic comedy,

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<v Speaker 1>and it really I mean, wow, it's just we all

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<v Speaker 1>have to go and watch it together. I'm surprised that

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<v Speaker 1>her career was somehow re because it all went somewhere

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<v Speaker 1>from there. No, yeah, everybody Wentley Hooper's still working, Rachel

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<v Speaker 1>mccadams is still working, and amm A Stone only has

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<v Speaker 1>she do she ever formally apologize? Yes, yes, yes, so

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<v Speaker 1>she apologized for her role. In a twenty fifteen interview,

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<v Speaker 1>She said the controversy around her casting opened her eyes

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<v Speaker 1>in many ways. She said, I've become the butt of

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<v Speaker 1>many jokes. I've learnt on a macro level about how

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<v Speaker 1>insane the history of whitewashing is. In Hollywood, and how

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<v Speaker 1>prevalent the problem truly is. It ignited a conversation that's

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<v Speaker 1>very important. Then there was a moment at the Golden

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<v Speaker 1>Globes in twenty nineteen where the host made a joke

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<v Speaker 1>about crazy rich Asians and how it was the first

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<v Speaker 1>movie to tell an Asian story since Aloha, and Emma

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<v Speaker 1>Stone called out, I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>Crazy changeons is nominee. It's a night for Best Picture,

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<v Speaker 2>Musical or cormedy. It is the first studio film with

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<v Speaker 2>an Asian American lead since Ghosts in the shallon Aloha from.

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<v Speaker 1>Me, Oh that's funny. Yeah, She's like, I'm sorry, I

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<v Speaker 1>regret it. I'm so I'm so sorry. That is not

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<v Speaker 1>the end of our episode on Emma Stone. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>that was just a little bit. To listen to that

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<v Speaker 1>entire episode, just click the link. In our show notes,

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<v Speaker 1>we look into how Emma lied about her name, how

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<v Speaker 1>she has too many best friends and just simply is

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<v Speaker 1>not hustling enough for her success. We're recanceling three things

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<v Speaker 1>every week over the summer break, including celebrities, TV shows,

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<v Speaker 1>celebrity couples, and press tours because we need to keep

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<v Speaker 1>the investigations running. You can find videos from the podcast

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<v Speaker 1>and evidence of the celebrity crime on our Instagram at

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<v Speaker 1>the Twins Underscore Thoughts, or on TikTok At canceled the podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>Bye