WEBVTT - The 7 Controversies Of This Year's Biggest Movie 0:00:10.622 --> 0:00:13.342 You're listening to a Mama Mia podcast. 0:00:13.822 --> 0:00:17.182 Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters 0:00:17.222 --> 0:00:18.901 that this podcast is recorded on. 0:00:20.342 --> 0:00:24.461 A Gwyneth Paltrow profile cover story in fact, dropped in 0:00:24.622 --> 0:00:28.062 Vanity Fair today, and there are so many morsels. 0:00:28.101 --> 0:00:31.101 It's like hilarious how she is the most rarefied and 0:00:31.182 --> 0:00:32.822 the most basic at the same time. 0:00:32.902 --> 0:00:35.062 And she's also following in the footsteps she says of 0:00:35.101 --> 0:00:37.062 a camera dias. 0:00:36.622 --> 0:00:37.662 Except you're just basic. 0:00:37.862 --> 0:00:47.502 But I haven't got SHITLINGKF, Hello and welcome to Mamma Mia. 0:00:47.582 --> 0:00:50.582 Out loud, what women actually talking about On Wednesday, the 0:00:50.662 --> 0:00:53.062 nineteenth of March. I'm Holly Wainwright, I'm me. 0:00:53.102 --> 0:00:54.822 A Friedman, and I'm Jesse Stevens. 0:00:54.902 --> 0:00:57.702 And on the show today, it must be my birthday 0:00:57.942 --> 0:01:00.822 because a big new profile of Gwyneth Paltrow has dropped, 0:01:01.502 --> 0:01:03.182 and it tells us a lot about what it takes 0:01:03.222 --> 0:01:08.622 to be a female mogul, movie star, sex symbol, cultural icon. 0:01:08.742 --> 0:01:09.381 In twe twenty. 0:01:09.902 --> 0:01:12.741 You've manifested something in that story, which is. 0:01:13.262 --> 0:01:15.462 The content gods have delivered to us today. 0:01:15.502 --> 0:01:18.422 And all of that is very instructive for the rest 0:01:18.422 --> 0:01:21.462 of us mere mortals. So we're going to unpack that. Also, 0:01:21.662 --> 0:01:25.902 the new Snow White remake has everything half billion dollar budget, 0:01:26.222 --> 0:01:30.462 troll in, flaming casting decisions, apparently feuding co stars, a 0:01:30.502 --> 0:01:33.622 hot mess of a press tour except for an audience 0:01:34.102 --> 0:01:37.222 and teeth. How the White lotuses Amy lou wood is 0:01:37.302 --> 0:01:40.262 upending the rules about a Hollywood actress's face and mouth 0:01:40.382 --> 0:01:43.182 is meant to look like. But first, Jesse Stevens. 0:01:43.342 --> 0:01:47.222 In case you missed it, NASA SpaceX astronauts Butch Wilmore 0:01:47.302 --> 0:01:51.542 and Sunny Williams have finally returned from the International Space 0:01:51.582 --> 0:01:53.422 Station after getting stuck. 0:01:53.502 --> 0:01:54.702 I've been thinking about that. 0:01:54.782 --> 0:01:57.622 I've been watching this story very closely because I needed 0:01:57.622 --> 0:02:00.022 them home and they've come home. So the pair was 0:02:00.062 --> 0:02:03.102 scheduled to have a week long mission, but technical issues 0:02:03.142 --> 0:02:05.742 you don't want their men's face, and delays with their 0:02:05.822 --> 0:02:09.061 ride home. That's the Boeing star Liner capsule meant they 0:02:09.222 --> 0:02:12.062 spent two hundred and eighty six days up there or 0:02:12.142 --> 0:02:12.582 nine months. 0:02:12.582 --> 0:02:14.062 Can you imagine you're going away for a week. 0:02:14.542 --> 0:02:17.342 Yeah. And also like delays, it's like what was there 0:02:17.382 --> 0:02:18.742 like a space shuttle strike? 0:02:19.222 --> 0:02:23.822 So there were issues with the something about helium. I 0:02:23.822 --> 0:02:25.982 imagine here's how I imagined it. 0:02:27.062 --> 0:02:27.462 Details. 0:02:27.582 --> 0:02:29.702 The spaceship came had big holes in it, That's how 0:02:29.742 --> 0:02:31.462 I imagine it. And they went, couldn't get on, and 0:02:31.502 --> 0:02:32.862 that felt like not a good idea. 0:02:32.942 --> 0:02:35.102 We've seen Apolo thirteenth. They explained it to a kid, 0:02:35.382 --> 0:02:37.062 something broke on your daddy's ship. 0:02:37.142 --> 0:02:41.102 That's happened something and they didn't get on it. Good move, okay, 0:02:41.302 --> 0:02:43.702 other than probably not packing enough underwear. There's been a 0:02:43.702 --> 0:02:48.022 lot of talk about some issues that Wilmore and Williams 0:02:48.022 --> 0:02:50.982 have encountered. So in November of last year, images of Williams, 0:02:51.022 --> 0:02:53.942 in particular, she's the fifty nine year old female astronaut. 0:02:53.942 --> 0:02:57.381 You might have seen photos of her. They prompted widespread 0:02:57.462 --> 0:03:00.222 concern because she had lost a significant amount of weight, 0:03:00.622 --> 0:03:03.182 and the effects of space travel are known to be 0:03:03.262 --> 0:03:05.661 harsher on women. They lose muscle at a faster rate. 0:03:06.262 --> 0:03:08.302 So after two hundred and eighty six days in space, 0:03:08.582 --> 0:03:09.901 I'm going to tell you what happen as to the 0:03:09.982 --> 0:03:13.022 human body, how they came back right, So, significant bone 0:03:13.062 --> 0:03:17.302 density loss, no matter how many weight, how much cottage, 0:03:17.622 --> 0:03:21.982 you know, she had to eat at least double the 0:03:21.982 --> 0:03:23.982 calories that like I don't know how you would get 0:03:24.022 --> 0:03:25.102 in as much food. 0:03:24.862 --> 0:03:26.742 And then two hours of it and it's not yummy food. 0:03:26.782 --> 0:03:28.702 It's not yemmy freeze dried space food. 0:03:28.782 --> 0:03:29.742 Yeah, yeah, horrible. 0:03:29.782 --> 0:03:31.621 How do you even do exercise in space if there's 0:03:31.662 --> 0:03:32.221 no grad. 0:03:32.062 --> 0:03:34.222 It's like an exercise bike and you get on that 0:03:34.222 --> 0:03:36.582 for literally two hours and waited. 0:03:38.542 --> 0:03:39.342 You'd be fine. 0:03:39.582 --> 0:03:42.982 Temporary height increase by at least a few centimeters taller 0:03:43.622 --> 0:03:47.622 because the discs like because they don't have the gravitational push. Yeah, 0:03:48.182 --> 0:03:51.582 fluid shifts towards the head, meaning that you become really congested, 0:03:51.662 --> 0:03:54.342 so you can have a running nose, headache, lots of issues. 0:03:54.422 --> 0:03:58.462 And that also skin though probably yes, except for the 0:03:58.502 --> 0:04:01.142 gaunt because of all the weight we've lost and you 0:04:01.182 --> 0:04:03.382 come back with vision is skin. 0:04:03.262 --> 0:04:09.182 Car space, he'd probably run out, he'd run out of 0:04:09.302 --> 0:04:11.822 like she wouldn't need tempons, especially if you thought you 0:04:11.862 --> 0:04:12.862 were going for a week. 0:04:13.102 --> 0:04:14.982 Remember there was a woman who was going to space 0:04:15.022 --> 0:04:16.742 and they gave them one hundred tampons for a week 0:04:16.782 --> 0:04:18.782 long mission. I'm pretty sure she didn't even have a period. 0:04:18.902 --> 0:04:22.382 But what it exemplified was how science astronauts in space 0:04:22.462 --> 0:04:25.981 do not understand women and their periods. Loss of taste 0:04:26.022 --> 0:04:28.022 and smell, which is apparently a good thing because that 0:04:28.061 --> 0:04:31.941 capsule is not smelling good by the end, Increased cancer risk, 0:04:32.181 --> 0:04:35.981 increased likelihood of kidney stones due to dehydration. You come 0:04:36.022 --> 0:04:38.222 back very dizzy and fatigue. 0:04:38.421 --> 0:04:40.622 Sounds great sign me that here's. 0:04:40.421 --> 0:04:42.981 A good thing. You come back all your skin baby 0:04:43.101 --> 0:04:45.422 soft because nothing's rubbed against it, so you know, even 0:04:45.462 --> 0:04:48.301 your feet like shoes, and you like. You come back 0:04:48.621 --> 0:04:49.181 like a new. 0:04:49.821 --> 0:04:54.462 Yeah, skinny, sick with brit Or bones. 0:04:54.501 --> 0:04:57.582 And apparently a lot of the astronauts never get used 0:04:57.582 --> 0:04:59.742 to sleeping in space, so this can be the hardest thing, 0:04:59.821 --> 0:05:02.662 is a sleep deprivation. Nine months without a good night sleep. 0:05:02.902 --> 0:05:05.861 I've read somewhere that they sleep like bats upside down. 0:05:06.061 --> 0:05:08.541 Shut up the blood rushing to the head. That would 0:05:08.541 --> 0:05:14.222 make that worse. I don't understand space. Not all of 0:05:14.262 --> 0:05:17.421 this information has clearly been lost on me, But. 0:05:17.621 --> 0:05:22.141 So not go then. They a quite Paltrow profile cover 0:05:22.222 --> 0:05:26.061 story in fact dropped in Vanity Fair today, and there 0:05:26.101 --> 0:05:29.381 are so many morsels. She hasn't done a big interview 0:05:29.421 --> 0:05:32.941 like this for quite a long time, and there's many 0:05:32.981 --> 0:05:36.902 many parts to this interview. She spoke about Goop, being 0:05:36.941 --> 0:05:39.541 the CEO of Goop group's been around for I think 0:05:39.662 --> 0:05:43.021 about ten or fifteen years. She's still the CEO. She 0:05:43.181 --> 0:05:47.782 spoke about her divorce from Chris Martin and how they 0:05:47.821 --> 0:05:51.141 are this big, blended family along with her new husband 0:05:51.181 --> 0:05:56.621 Brad Felchuck, his ex wife, various children, girlfriend's partners. It 0:05:56.702 --> 0:06:01.222 was recorded just after the big wildfires in La so 0:06:01.861 --> 0:06:05.262 to set the scene, she had to flee her Hollywood home, 0:06:05.702 --> 0:06:08.861 which she has since sold, which was undamaging the fires 0:06:08.902 --> 0:06:10.181 in the end, but she had to go to her 0:06:10.222 --> 0:06:13.621 Montecito home, which you may remember is where Megan Markle 0:06:13.662 --> 0:06:16.101 and Oprah live. So that's I think an hour or 0:06:16.181 --> 0:06:20.381 so out of the heart of Hollywood. And while the 0:06:20.821 --> 0:06:24.062 interviewer was there, the removalists were bringing some of the 0:06:24.061 --> 0:06:28.421 furniture from her Hollywood home to the Monticito home, things 0:06:28.462 --> 0:06:31.062 like her pilates reformer. What were some of the other things. 0:06:31.022 --> 0:06:33.301 The cases of wine, her cases. 0:06:32.941 --> 0:06:35.021 Of wine, and she was what was she doing? She 0:06:35.101 --> 0:06:35.702 was talking to. 0:06:35.702 --> 0:06:38.621 The speaking to the crew in perfect Spanish. It said, 0:06:38.981 --> 0:06:41.342 the details in this are so good. The crew unloads 0:06:41.342 --> 0:06:44.541 at least one Pilartes reformer. Someone asks Paltrow's head of 0:06:44.541 --> 0:06:47.501 security where she wants the wine. Paltrow speaks to staff 0:06:47.501 --> 0:06:50.502 as influence Spanish, and then she nuzzles foul Chuck, who's 0:06:50.501 --> 0:06:52.861 appeared by the side door in a shawl collared sweater 0:06:52.941 --> 0:06:55.902 and shealing clogs. Gwyneth is also wearing shealing clogs. 0:06:56.301 --> 0:07:03.782 Everyone's wearing shaling sheepskin, and so it would be like 0:07:04.022 --> 0:07:08.342 kind of like you know, those birkenstocks. 0:07:06.662 --> 0:07:09.462 And clogs, but with sheepskin, it's like hair clog out 0:07:09.902 --> 0:07:12.422 a cloggug a clug A clug. Okay, clug. 0:07:12.622 --> 0:07:16.142 Yeah. She talks about both her children have since gone 0:07:16.182 --> 0:07:18.062 to college in the last sort of year or two, 0:07:18.462 --> 0:07:22.581 Apple and Moses, and she talks about how she doesn't 0:07:22.622 --> 0:07:24.941 like the term empty Nesta. She likes to call her 0:07:24.982 --> 0:07:26.261 and Brad freebirds. 0:07:26.381 --> 0:07:28.622 She loves a new term she loves a Rebra does well. 0:07:28.862 --> 0:07:34.901 Actually that was conscious uncoupling instead of divorce. She is 0:07:34.941 --> 0:07:38.422 and she's very self conscious about it. And this is 0:07:38.462 --> 0:07:41.742 what's really interesting, Like there are so many parts in 0:07:41.782 --> 0:07:45.782 this profile where you could say she's really tone deaf. 0:07:45.862 --> 0:07:47.461 That's kind of part of her charm and part of 0:07:47.462 --> 0:07:47.982 her brand. 0:07:48.262 --> 0:07:51.222 Can I ask you about two headlines that I've seen, 0:07:51.262 --> 0:07:53.581 and I want you to tell me if they're hyperbolic 0:07:53.702 --> 0:07:56.302 or what she actually said. So the first one is 0:07:56.342 --> 0:07:58.662 that she's commented on Megan Markle because of course there's 0:07:58.702 --> 0:08:01.622 been a bit of hullor Blue. Yeah, that Meghan Markle 0:08:01.702 --> 0:08:04.182 has copied the Gwyneth and Gwyneth was accused of copying 0:08:04.222 --> 0:08:06.661 the Martha Stewart. Yeah, what did she say about Megan? 0:08:06.742 --> 0:08:09.822 Well, what's interesting is that Martha Stewart slammed Gwyneth when 0:08:09.902 --> 0:08:13.261 Grenneth started to do goop, and I suppose the interviewer 0:08:13.342 --> 0:08:15.662 was hoping that Gwyneth would then slam Meghan Markle. Now 0:08:15.702 --> 0:08:18.062 this was recorded before Meghan Michaels show would come out, 0:08:18.222 --> 0:08:20.302 But she said no, I haven't seen an early version 0:08:20.302 --> 0:08:22.782 of it. But she said, I don't know Meghan. She said, 0:08:22.782 --> 0:08:26.062 I've met her before and she seems perfectly nice, even 0:08:26.102 --> 0:08:29.262 though we live in Montecito along with Oprah. And at 0:08:29.262 --> 0:08:30.662 one point she looks at the window and says, Oh, 0:08:30.662 --> 0:08:33.502 what's that drone there for? And then she's like, oh, 0:08:33.502 --> 0:08:35.742 that perhaps get three for the price of one. Me 0:08:36.062 --> 0:08:39.901 Harry and Meghan and Oprah when they come to Ontcito anyway, 0:08:39.982 --> 0:08:42.942 she's completely nondescript. She says, I wish it well. I 0:08:42.942 --> 0:08:45.462 believe that everybody should be able to do what they're 0:08:45.462 --> 0:08:46.022 interested in. 0:08:46.142 --> 0:08:48.942 She says that she has a strong instinct to stand 0:08:49.022 --> 0:08:50.422 up for women in the culture, and there's a lot 0:08:50.462 --> 0:08:51.782 of noise around them, which. 0:08:51.742 --> 0:08:52.902 I could understand relate. 0:08:53.022 --> 0:08:55.462 Yeah, I was very upset to think though, that they're 0:08:55.462 --> 0:08:57.462 not hanging out all the time. She did make it 0:08:57.542 --> 0:08:59.462 prep about how she'd like to try and take a 0:08:59.502 --> 0:09:01.302 pie up there if she could get through security. 0:09:01.582 --> 0:09:01.862 Well. 0:09:01.862 --> 0:09:04.022 One of its friends with Oprah, and Oprah is friends 0:09:04.022 --> 0:09:05.342 with Meghan, and I'm just surprised. 0:09:06.102 --> 0:09:09.902 Friends with Megan anyway. It's interesting because there's a couple 0:09:09.942 --> 0:09:12.102 of bits that jumped out to me. One was when 0:09:12.862 --> 0:09:15.622 she talks about her business because in the last year, 0:09:15.662 --> 0:09:17.102 I've had to lay off quite a lot of stuff. 0:09:17.142 --> 0:09:19.942 They laid off about eighteen percent of their stuff, which 0:09:19.942 --> 0:09:22.222 is about forty people, and then they laid off another 0:09:22.262 --> 0:09:26.422 twelve shortly after that. And she spoke carefully when she 0:09:26.502 --> 0:09:28.302 was asked about this, because the press around it was 0:09:28.302 --> 0:09:31.342 that Goop was doing very badly and this is why 0:09:31.342 --> 0:09:34.142 they had to lay people off, And she said that's 0:09:34.182 --> 0:09:38.502 actually not true. We needed to improve our ebitdar. Now 0:09:38.502 --> 0:09:39.342 ebitda is. 0:09:39.462 --> 0:09:40.502 So many acronyms. 0:09:40.582 --> 0:09:44.302 Yeah, she very not self consciously, but kind of naturally, 0:09:44.342 --> 0:09:46.942 I guess put on her CEO hadn't started speaking in 0:09:46.982 --> 0:09:50.062 business words. So she basically said, we'd become bloated. We'd 0:09:50.142 --> 0:09:51.942 hired too many people, we were doing too many things, 0:09:51.982 --> 0:09:54.582 that had a multiple podcasts, that had a Netflix show, 0:09:54.862 --> 0:09:57.182 they were doing cruisers, they did all these different things. 0:09:57.542 --> 0:09:59.542 And she said, we'd become bloated, which is something that 0:09:59.582 --> 0:10:01.702 happens to many businesses, and we just had to right 0:10:01.862 --> 0:10:04.382 size ourself to be more profitable. 0:10:04.462 --> 0:10:06.862 I think all that sounded very convinced totally, though. I 0:10:07.022 --> 0:10:10.102 really like the bit sorry where she says, because we 0:10:10.222 --> 0:10:13.062 all talked about this is how few years ago Goop 0:10:13.182 --> 0:10:14.702 just became like a sex toy shop. 0:10:14.822 --> 0:10:14.982 Right. 0:10:15.022 --> 0:10:18.182 It was just nearly all expensive vibrators and lots of 0:10:18.182 --> 0:10:20.982 sexual wellness and very famously the candle that smells like 0:10:21.022 --> 0:10:24.062 my vagina and all that and in here she says, 0:10:24.142 --> 0:10:27.182 and it's absolutely right because I am one of these people, 0:10:27.542 --> 0:10:30.062 she said, the people who come to buy like a 0:10:30.102 --> 0:10:32.222 gag gift for their friend, like I have wanted to 0:10:32.222 --> 0:10:35.302 buy and my cannel smells like my vagina gift for everyone, 0:10:36.022 --> 0:10:38.262 or a vibrator from Goop. Are not the same people 0:10:38.302 --> 0:10:40.222 who are going to come back and buy more things. 0:10:40.262 --> 0:10:41.182 And that's by like. 0:10:41.142 --> 0:10:44.102 A cashmere throw for a thousand dollar serums and stuff. 0:10:44.262 --> 0:10:46.142 But I don't think that's the only reason why she's 0:10:46.182 --> 0:10:48.422 discontinued some of those products. So she did go very 0:10:48.422 --> 0:10:49.862 heavy on the vagina for a while, and there was 0:10:49.902 --> 0:10:50.782 the Yoni eggs and the. 0:10:50.822 --> 0:10:52.542 Jade eggs, and there was a court case. 0:10:52.662 --> 0:10:56.062 That's exactly right. I think that's an important footnote that 0:10:56.142 --> 0:10:58.822 in twenty eighteen the company agreed food of. 0:10:58.822 --> 0:11:00.582 It's a vage note. Really it's a. 0:11:00.502 --> 0:11:03.022 Bad Yeah, exactly right, a vage note. There was a 0:11:03.062 --> 0:11:06.302 one hundred and forty five thousand dollars settlement because they 0:11:06.702 --> 0:11:08.542 made unsubstantiated medical claims. 0:11:08.582 --> 0:11:12.342 That that's not a big deal in the scheme of dollars. 0:11:13.382 --> 0:11:16.702 You don't want to have consumer protection complaints against you. 0:11:16.942 --> 0:11:19.142 Well, what's interesting, and this is kind of at the 0:11:19.182 --> 0:11:21.502 heart of what a lot of the commentary is about. 0:11:21.662 --> 0:11:26.142 With this piece, she says that she's very much an 0:11:26.222 --> 0:11:28.982 early adopter and that she makes way in the culture 0:11:29.022 --> 0:11:31.542 for things to become mainstream. So she said this before 0:11:31.582 --> 0:11:33.822 about yoga, which a lot of people were very critical 0:11:33.862 --> 0:11:38.582 of because she didn't invent it. She talked about, well, 0:11:38.662 --> 0:11:41.502 how she did that with wellness or meditation or all 0:11:41.542 --> 0:11:43.022 the things that she was doing. And she's not wrong 0:11:43.022 --> 0:11:45.982 about that, because when Goop was talking about wellness and 0:11:46.022 --> 0:11:50.102 even things like conscious uncoupling, and she talks about exploring 0:11:50.462 --> 0:11:56.502 alternate modalities, which is basically the gateway to other people say, oh, 0:11:56.502 --> 0:11:58.502 we're just asking questions, and people are saying the Make 0:11:58.542 --> 0:12:04.142 America Healthy Again movement spearheaded by RFK Jr. Who has 0:12:04.222 --> 0:12:09.342 some very strong beliefs, anti mainstream, anti science beliefs that 0:12:09.742 --> 0:12:13.302 almost like the more hardcore, more trump version of what 0:12:13.382 --> 0:12:15.182 Winner's been doing for a long time. And she doesn't 0:12:15.182 --> 0:12:18.382 really dispute that she talks about liking raw milk, that 0:12:18.422 --> 0:12:20.342 people have lost faith in institutions. 0:12:20.502 --> 0:12:22.902 But that's all true, right, He's one hundred percent right, 0:12:22.942 --> 0:12:25.102 And like there are lots that we've discussed this before 0:12:25.102 --> 0:12:26.862 on the show, there are lots and lots of women 0:12:27.382 --> 0:12:32.182 who believe in traditional medicine and supplementary medicine and alternative 0:12:32.222 --> 0:12:35.142 modalities and all these things. And she is not wrong, 0:12:35.382 --> 0:12:37.822 Like when she makes a point in here about raw 0:12:37.862 --> 0:12:40.422 milk and she's like, there could be dangers to raw milk, 0:12:40.462 --> 0:12:42.902 but are we expecting that the dairy industry are going 0:12:42.942 --> 0:12:45.382 to be the ones who are gonna spearhead that she's right? 0:12:45.462 --> 0:12:49.502 Like this is why people have lost trust in institutions. 0:12:50.102 --> 0:12:52.182 The thing is about this is if you listen to 0:12:52.182 --> 0:12:53.622 this show, you know that I have a big soft 0:12:53.662 --> 0:12:56.381 spot for Gwyneth And it's not because I love her. 0:12:56.542 --> 0:13:01.782 I just find her fascinating. And this interview articulated why. 0:13:01.862 --> 0:13:04.102 Because if you're a woman, if you're a gen X woman, 0:13:04.742 --> 0:13:06.782 she has been around for a very long time. And 0:13:06.822 --> 0:13:08.782 one of my Roman empires is that I think about 0:13:08.782 --> 0:13:11.302 her ears all the time, right, Like there was the 0:13:11.382 --> 0:13:14.622 dating Brad pitt eras, there was the smoking ciggies with 0:13:14.622 --> 0:13:17.822 Winona Ryder. She was a skinny girl. She was the 0:13:17.862 --> 0:13:20.742 first person I ever heard talk about having a macrobiotic 0:13:20.782 --> 0:13:23.142 diet and everyone's like, what's that? And then everyone was doing. 0:13:23.182 --> 0:13:26.142 She was out when everyone else was running. 0:13:26.182 --> 0:13:27.942 Then she had her era when she moved to London 0:13:27.982 --> 0:13:30.382 and became a housewife and started blogging about bread and 0:13:30.422 --> 0:13:32.942 then she was in Marvel and like fix you by 0:13:32.982 --> 0:13:36.702 coldplayers about her, like she is a person in the 0:13:36.822 --> 0:13:40.302 culture who looms very large, and if you are a 0:13:40.342 --> 0:13:43.782 woman in the culture who looms large, you are always 0:13:43.822 --> 0:13:46.342 going to attract an enormous amount of shit. And I'm 0:13:46.382 --> 0:13:48.222 not saying for a minute that she doesn't deserve some 0:13:48.262 --> 0:13:51.262 of that, because what she's trying to sell everybody is 0:13:51.342 --> 0:13:57.661 unquestionably a very very privileged, pretty white lady version of aspiration. 0:13:57.742 --> 0:13:58.902 She's the original influence. 0:13:58.982 --> 0:14:01.222 She is in many ways, but I think there's also 0:14:01.302 --> 0:14:04.702 a lot to be respected there. I admire the fact 0:14:04.742 --> 0:14:07.782 that she's never run away from it all, like the 0:14:07.822 --> 0:14:10.422 shit that she has copped over the years, and the 0:14:11.102 --> 0:14:14.622 abuse and the round mocking, She's turned a lot of 0:14:14.662 --> 0:14:17.662 it to her advantage, which I kind of admire. Also, 0:14:17.902 --> 0:14:20.542 she gives a good interview. She's usually quite honest. Like 0:14:20.702 --> 0:14:23.302 so Michelle Rue is in her house in Montecito, and 0:14:23.302 --> 0:14:25.102 who wouldn't want to go to Gwyneth Pultro's house in 0:14:25.142 --> 0:14:29.062 Montecito describes immediately what she's wearing, a Gray's cardigan, white 0:14:29.102 --> 0:14:31.662 wide leg jeans and her shiling like clocks. And the 0:14:31.702 --> 0:14:33.502 first thing you do is you go, oh, I've got. 0:14:33.462 --> 0:14:34.462 White, white leg jeans. 0:14:34.582 --> 0:14:37.862 Yeah, every woman in the world is deciding whether she 0:14:37.942 --> 0:14:40.622 has any of those things. Then they were the journalist 0:14:40.702 --> 0:14:43.062 describes what kind of milk she puts in her coffee, 0:14:43.182 --> 0:14:46.102 because everybody wants to know what kind of milk Gwyneth 0:14:46.102 --> 0:14:47.902 Paltrow puts in a coffee, either because they want to 0:14:47.942 --> 0:14:49.382 copy her or they want to take. 0:14:49.222 --> 0:14:50.142 The piss out of her for it. 0:14:50.222 --> 0:14:53.342 So there's a level of fascination that I just love 0:14:53.422 --> 0:14:54.182 to lean into. 0:14:54.502 --> 0:14:59.182 I read another headline that referred to the slight Gwyneth 0:14:59.222 --> 0:15:03.062 Paltrow made against Blake Lively in this Yeah, in this profile, 0:15:03.262 --> 0:15:07.182 that's that's an I read the entire profile. Couldn't find 0:15:07.222 --> 0:15:10.062 the slight. This is where they've tried to up a 0:15:10.102 --> 0:15:13.622 bit of tension on the discussion of intimacy coordinators, which 0:15:13.662 --> 0:15:16.822 is big in Hollywood at the moment because in the 0:15:17.382 --> 0:15:20.342 Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni lawsuit. 0:15:20.062 --> 0:15:21.862 Since Me Too, they've been intimacy couaday. 0:15:21.942 --> 0:15:25.382 Yes, it is, but it's the geist because Lively said 0:15:25.662 --> 0:15:27.262 we didn't have one and we should have had one, 0:15:27.302 --> 0:15:28.422 and everyone has one. 0:15:28.582 --> 0:15:30.702 And they choreographed sex scenes and. 0:15:30.662 --> 0:15:34.462 Gwyneth Paltrow in talking about her new film, which is 0:15:34.742 --> 0:15:38.622 excuse my French, but Hollywayen Writ's Wet Dream, which is 0:15:38.662 --> 0:15:43.142 Gwyneth Paltrow with a very young Timothy Schallamey. She says 0:15:43.182 --> 0:15:46.542 they were offered an intimacy coordinator, and she basically went, 0:15:46.662 --> 0:15:49.422 what the hell this is interrupting my process? And I 0:15:49.822 --> 0:15:52.142 read that and went, oh, yeah, well power to you. 0:15:52.462 --> 0:15:54.182 I like the idea that you're offered it, but I 0:15:54.222 --> 0:15:56.902 don't think that it's mandatory that you use it. If 0:15:56.942 --> 0:16:00.742 you feel like it's consensual and comfortable and you know 0:16:00.782 --> 0:16:04.342 what your job is. But she has been roundly criticized 0:16:04.342 --> 0:16:05.262 even since last morning. 0:16:05.422 --> 0:16:07.742 It did come across, and of course her process is 0:16:07.742 --> 0:16:09.982 a process, but it did come across a little bit 0:16:10.102 --> 0:16:11.902 like you're a pussy if you need one. 0:16:12.062 --> 0:16:14.622 I don't think so. Because then she had a line 0:16:14.662 --> 0:16:17.982 clarifying it about being someone who was maybe just entering 0:16:18.022 --> 0:16:21.542 the industry or being a little bit younger. It's interesting 0:16:21.582 --> 0:16:24.662 to consider whether her and Timothy sit together and decide 0:16:24.662 --> 0:16:26.662 whether you have an intimacy coord They did. 0:16:26.782 --> 0:16:29.222 She said, we talked about it. She is funny about that, 0:16:29.262 --> 0:16:32.182 because Okay, first of all, why is she doing this profile? Yep, 0:16:32.622 --> 0:16:35.622 we should cover that off. The reason is, there's two reasons. 0:16:35.662 --> 0:16:39.062 The first is she's starting acting again. I think it's 0:16:39.062 --> 0:16:42.502 two reasons. I mean her. Brad Falchuk gives a quote 0:16:42.502 --> 0:16:45.782 and says, Gwyneth is a supermum with absolutely no irony. 0:16:45.862 --> 0:16:48.302 Gwyneth is a supermam. Her mum's stuff and this is 0:16:48.422 --> 0:16:51.582 very and she loved so much. She was so fulfilled 0:16:51.582 --> 0:16:53.182 when the kids were growing up, and she didn't want 0:16:53.222 --> 0:16:54.822 to travel and she wanted to be at home with them, 0:16:54.862 --> 0:16:57.582 which is fair enough. But now that they've left, she's 0:16:57.622 --> 0:17:00.142 feeling herself again. She's exploring. She's a free bird. She's 0:17:00.182 --> 0:17:03.062 getting back to acting. So after fifteen years, she's done 0:17:03.102 --> 0:17:05.742 a couple of little things, but she's getting back to acting. 0:17:05.782 --> 0:17:08.862 In her first leading role after that is this movie 0:17:09.182 --> 0:17:11.662 where you won't believe this. She plays an older woman 0:17:11.702 --> 0:17:14.182 having an affair with the younger man. He's a ping 0:17:14.262 --> 0:17:16.901 pong player and he's Timothy Chalamey, and she's quite funny. 0:17:16.942 --> 0:17:20.582 She says, look, I'm one hundred and nine and you're fourteen. Okay, 0:17:20.821 --> 0:17:23.461 I know she's quite funny. And when photos of them 0:17:23.621 --> 0:17:26.902 on the set appeared a few months ago, people speculated 0:17:26.901 --> 0:17:30.582 that she was playing his mother. And that's interesting too 0:17:30.621 --> 0:17:33.101 because the interviewer also says, unlike a lot of her 0:17:33.141 --> 0:17:37.462 contemporaries in Hollywood, she has not filled her lips or 0:17:37.702 --> 0:17:40.022 her lines on her face. And that's true when you 0:17:40.022 --> 0:17:43.141 see her. She's a spokesperson for a type of botox, 0:17:43.182 --> 0:17:47.942 but she natural. Yeah, she's not shy about the fact 0:17:47.942 --> 0:17:51.581 that she does tweatments, but she does not look overfilled 0:17:51.821 --> 0:17:54.542 like her contemporaries. Right. So the first reason is to 0:17:54.581 --> 0:17:56.461 announce her return to acting, but I think that was 0:17:56.581 --> 0:17:59.662 more just a hook. The real reason she's done it 0:17:59.742 --> 0:18:01.622 is because she's been trying to sell group for quite 0:18:01.621 --> 0:18:05.622 a while and all the bad publicity around them right 0:18:05.742 --> 0:18:08.782 sizing and having to sack people. And she also did 0:18:08.901 --> 0:18:11.421 a diffusion line called Good Clean Goop in Target that 0:18:11.542 --> 0:18:14.221 was a disaster, and there was a lot of negative 0:18:14.222 --> 0:18:16.542 press about her business. So she really needed to re 0:18:16.702 --> 0:18:20.661 establish that her business was actually successful. And I also 0:18:20.661 --> 0:18:22.941 think she's working probably because she's a free bird, but 0:18:22.982 --> 0:18:25.181 I also got the sense probably needs a bit of 0:18:25.222 --> 0:18:28.262 revenue into the company there is that's fine, So that's 0:18:28.262 --> 0:18:29.142 why she's doing the. 0:18:29.141 --> 0:18:32.702 Time that she sounds the most cranky because, as I said, before. 0:18:32.742 --> 0:18:34.861 She's weathered a lot of that criticism, and she always 0:18:34.861 --> 0:18:36.941 says that's what you get when you're a trailblazer and 0:18:36.982 --> 0:18:39.742 blah blah. But there is a bit where she kind 0:18:39.742 --> 0:18:42.342 of says, but when it affects your bottom line, it's 0:18:42.341 --> 0:18:44.981 not funny anymore, which kind of makes it sound like 0:18:45.061 --> 0:18:47.302 that some of that criticism really has been affecting the 0:18:47.341 --> 0:18:47.861 bottom line. 0:18:47.942 --> 0:18:49.861 Oh, I would have been, because it's very bad for brand, 0:18:49.901 --> 0:18:52.542 and there would have been investors. I think the smartest 0:18:52.542 --> 0:18:54.022 thing to do if she wants to sell the company 0:18:54.061 --> 0:18:56.502 is to a point of CEO that's not her well. 0:18:56.302 --> 0:18:58.662 Absolutely, because she talks in this and I was thinking about, 0:18:58.702 --> 0:19:00.221 you may because she talks about I'm the kind of 0:19:00.302 --> 0:19:02.981 CEO who or the journalist says, likes to be on slack, 0:19:03.542 --> 0:19:06.661