1 00:00:11,104 --> 00:00:15,064 Speaker 1: So much. You're listening to a Mamma Mia podcast. Mamma 2 00:00:15,144 --> 00:00:18,824 Speaker 1: Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders that 3 00:00:18,904 --> 00:00:20,544 Speaker 1: this podcast is recorded on. 4 00:00:25,264 --> 00:00:28,024 Speaker 2: From Mamma Mia. Welcome to the Spill your daily pop 5 00:00:28,064 --> 00:00:28,744 Speaker 2: culture fix. 6 00:00:28,944 --> 00:00:32,024 Speaker 1: I'm Eron and I'm Laura Brodnick and coming up on 7 00:00:32,064 --> 00:00:35,224 Speaker 1: the show today, Sabrina Carpenter's new music video broke a 8 00:00:35,304 --> 00:00:38,104 Speaker 1: whole bunch of records over the weekend. But there are 9 00:00:38,104 --> 00:00:40,544 Speaker 1: some hidden messages in there that we have to dissect, 10 00:00:40,664 --> 00:00:42,784 Speaker 1: and we have to have a bit of a complicated 11 00:00:43,024 --> 00:00:45,784 Speaker 1: conversation about her rise to fame. You might get dark 12 00:00:45,784 --> 00:00:48,624 Speaker 1: and might get gritty. We'll get into it first. 13 00:00:49,104 --> 00:00:53,824 Speaker 2: Hayley and Justin Bieber have welcomed their first baby same 14 00:00:55,264 --> 00:00:56,384 Speaker 2: and now you want to cheer Laura. 15 00:00:57,064 --> 00:00:59,384 Speaker 1: I mean, a baby is always exciting. 16 00:00:59,544 --> 00:01:03,704 Speaker 2: Her baby is always exciting. Justin excitedly like us, made 17 00:01:03,704 --> 00:01:06,784 Speaker 2: the announcement on his social media on Saturday afternoon with 18 00:01:06,864 --> 00:01:11,784 Speaker 2: the caption that said, welcome home, Jack Blue Biber normal name. 19 00:01:11,944 --> 00:01:14,024 Speaker 2: Were you impressed by that? I was quite impressed. 20 00:01:14,064 --> 00:01:15,864 Speaker 1: I love Jack because it's my nephew's name. I think 21 00:01:15,864 --> 00:01:17,824 Speaker 1: it's a great name. But it is also like one 22 00:01:17,864 --> 00:01:19,544 Speaker 1: of the top baby names in Austraya for the last 23 00:01:19,584 --> 00:01:21,344 Speaker 1: couple of years, so they're very on trend. But I 24 00:01:21,344 --> 00:01:23,624 Speaker 1: also think Jack Blues gives it a bit of edge. 25 00:01:23,704 --> 00:01:25,944 Speaker 2: It's a classic, like one syllable name, which I feel 26 00:01:25,944 --> 00:01:27,264 Speaker 2: like we need to bring back. I love a one 27 00:01:27,264 --> 00:01:30,824 Speaker 2: syllable name. The announcement was accompanied by a photo of 28 00:01:30,864 --> 00:01:34,784 Speaker 2: the tiny baby foot in Hayley's hand. I'm assuming it's 29 00:01:34,864 --> 00:01:36,944 Speaker 2: unconfirmed if it actually is a hand. 30 00:01:36,784 --> 00:01:39,184 Speaker 1: Of course it's Hayley's hand. I even was reading it. 31 00:01:39,264 --> 00:01:41,384 Speaker 1: This is how much people are like desperate for information. 32 00:01:41,584 --> 00:01:44,304 Speaker 1: That she said Justin could pick her manicure for when 33 00:01:44,344 --> 00:01:47,424 Speaker 1: she gave birth, So, well, that's true or not, I'm 34 00:01:47,424 --> 00:01:48,704 Speaker 1: going to choose to believe it's true. 35 00:01:48,744 --> 00:01:52,024 Speaker 2: A classic French tip, yeah shaped in case you're wondering. 36 00:01:52,624 --> 00:01:54,664 Speaker 1: I love that you knew that information. I don't even 37 00:01:54,704 --> 00:01:56,104 Speaker 1: have the photo in front of me. Wow. 38 00:01:56,424 --> 00:02:01,144 Speaker 2: So the initials JB is a tradition in the Biber family, 39 00:02:01,224 --> 00:02:04,784 Speaker 2: So Justin JB. His dad as well. His name is Jeremy, 40 00:02:04,864 --> 00:02:07,024 Speaker 2: so JB. Plus his dad's middle name. 41 00:02:06,904 --> 00:02:10,024 Speaker 1: Is Jack, so that's really cute. It's a big. 42 00:02:09,864 --> 00:02:12,944 Speaker 2: Family Beber name. I'm not sure where Haley comes into 43 00:02:12,944 --> 00:02:14,944 Speaker 2: this equation. But I think she was maybe the first 44 00:02:15,024 --> 00:02:16,344 Speaker 2: child for him, second child for her. 45 00:02:16,584 --> 00:02:18,104 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean she may agreed on the name 46 00:02:18,184 --> 00:02:19,704 Speaker 1: Jack and both liked it. He would know in this 47 00:02:19,784 --> 00:02:20,864 Speaker 1: crazy family. 48 00:02:20,664 --> 00:02:22,344 Speaker 2: I like the name Jack. I feel like Jack is 49 00:02:22,344 --> 00:02:24,384 Speaker 2: the kind of name that if one person wants the 50 00:02:24,464 --> 00:02:27,064 Speaker 2: name Jack, everyone would disagree. Like it's not like a 51 00:02:27,064 --> 00:02:28,824 Speaker 2: really contentious name where you'd be like, I'm not too 52 00:02:28,864 --> 00:02:29,544 Speaker 2: sure I love this. 53 00:02:29,664 --> 00:02:32,984 Speaker 1: Baby in politics that we're getting into what I'm kind 54 00:02:32,984 --> 00:02:35,104 Speaker 1: of interesting about this and what I hope happens for 55 00:02:35,184 --> 00:02:36,984 Speaker 1: this couple now. Was like the last time we heard 56 00:02:36,984 --> 00:02:39,344 Speaker 1: from Hailey Biber and when she had big magazine cover 57 00:02:39,424 --> 00:02:41,624 Speaker 1: photo and spread, it was this whole big thing of 58 00:02:41,624 --> 00:02:44,104 Speaker 1: like it was meant to be her big pregnancy going 59 00:02:44,104 --> 00:02:47,024 Speaker 1: into motherhood reveal and anxious. I member it was like 60 00:02:47,064 --> 00:02:48,824 Speaker 1: one of the saddest interviews we've ever read. Not in 61 00:02:48,864 --> 00:02:50,384 Speaker 1: a bad way, but it's just like every time the 62 00:02:50,384 --> 00:02:51,904 Speaker 1: interviewer brought something up to her that was like a 63 00:02:51,944 --> 00:02:54,344 Speaker 1: happy thing in terms of like the baby coming, or 64 00:02:54,344 --> 00:02:57,944 Speaker 1: her marriage to Justin, or her beauty line that's road 65 00:02:57,984 --> 00:03:00,624 Speaker 1: that's selling really well, she always brought it back to 66 00:03:01,024 --> 00:03:03,664 Speaker 1: this hatred that she knows people have of her and 67 00:03:03,704 --> 00:03:06,704 Speaker 1: how much she gets judged, and obviously, like any woman 68 00:03:06,704 --> 00:03:08,504 Speaker 1: in the public eye, gets that. But as we know, 69 00:03:08,704 --> 00:03:11,544 Speaker 1: ever since she started dating in Bieber, there's been this 70 00:03:11,624 --> 00:03:15,384 Speaker 1: particular intense kind of hatred for her from people who 71 00:03:15,384 --> 00:03:17,424 Speaker 1: are still obsessed with him and Selina together, even though 72 00:03:17,464 --> 00:03:19,344 Speaker 1: that was I'm going to say a decade ago now, 73 00:03:19,464 --> 00:03:20,064 Speaker 1: long time ago. 74 00:03:20,264 --> 00:03:23,344 Speaker 2: She also did an interview in the Sunday Times ages 75 00:03:23,384 --> 00:03:26,304 Speaker 2: ago where she was talking about, like I guess online 76 00:03:26,344 --> 00:03:28,824 Speaker 2: trolls and bullying, and she was like, I can barely 77 00:03:28,824 --> 00:03:30,984 Speaker 2: handle it when it happens to my husband and my friends. 78 00:03:30,984 --> 00:03:33,104 Speaker 2: I can't even imagine how I'd handle it when if 79 00:03:33,144 --> 00:03:34,184 Speaker 2: it had happened to a child. 80 00:03:34,264 --> 00:03:36,104 Speaker 1: She always wanted kids, but she said in an interview 81 00:03:36,104 --> 00:03:38,624 Speaker 1: that she was very nervous about having children and opening 82 00:03:38,664 --> 00:03:41,384 Speaker 1: them up to this level of ridicule and public hatred. 83 00:03:41,584 --> 00:03:43,384 Speaker 1: My thought on this is like, is this the thing 84 00:03:43,424 --> 00:03:46,184 Speaker 1: that gets people to stop? Because when they got engaged, 85 00:03:46,344 --> 00:03:48,344 Speaker 1: that hatred didn't stop, even though you thought maybe people 86 00:03:48,344 --> 00:03:50,064 Speaker 1: would kind of be like, Okay, they're together now, like 87 00:03:50,104 --> 00:03:52,264 Speaker 1: we need to let this go. And then they had 88 00:03:52,304 --> 00:03:54,384 Speaker 1: three different weddings now because they eloped and then they 89 00:03:54,424 --> 00:03:56,824 Speaker 1: had the big fancy wedding with the till death to 90 00:03:56,904 --> 00:03:59,184 Speaker 1: us part written in her wedding dress, and then when 91 00:03:59,184 --> 00:04:02,104 Speaker 1: they announced the pregnancy, they renewed their vows and had 92 00:04:02,144 --> 00:04:05,344 Speaker 1: like another gorgeous little wedding, and that didn't stop people 93 00:04:05,504 --> 00:04:07,824 Speaker 1: from being angry. So it's like, is this is Jack 94 00:04:07,864 --> 00:04:10,864 Speaker 1: Blues the thing that's going to stop people from questioning 95 00:04:10,864 --> 00:04:13,664 Speaker 1: their relationship and thinking that, you know, she's tricked him 96 00:04:13,664 --> 00:04:15,864 Speaker 1: into being with her and all that sort of stuff, Like, 97 00:04:15,944 --> 00:04:16,824 Speaker 1: is Jack going to fix that? 98 00:04:16,944 --> 00:04:18,824 Speaker 2: It would kind of be sad if it does, because 99 00:04:18,824 --> 00:04:20,864 Speaker 2: then it just shows that like, as long as a 100 00:04:20,904 --> 00:04:23,264 Speaker 2: woman has a child, that's only when she's seen his value. 101 00:04:23,424 --> 00:04:27,304 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's a real complication anyway. Things anyway, congrats 102 00:04:27,304 --> 00:04:29,304 Speaker 1: to the couple and hopefully they're in their nice little 103 00:04:29,344 --> 00:04:31,344 Speaker 1: baby bubble and don't know what anyone's saying about them. 104 00:04:31,424 --> 00:04:40,464 Speaker 2: Nana, Nana, you're got together And just to taste expence 105 00:04:40,664 --> 00:04:41,144 Speaker 2: kissing you. 106 00:04:42,664 --> 00:04:42,744 Speaker 1: So. 107 00:04:42,864 --> 00:04:46,824 Speaker 2: Sabrain the Carpenter has released the latest music video for 108 00:04:46,984 --> 00:04:49,504 Speaker 2: her song Taste, which is part of her big album 109 00:04:49,584 --> 00:04:52,864 Speaker 2: Short and Sweet. It's the third single on the entire album, 110 00:04:53,344 --> 00:04:57,544 Speaker 2: and it is a cinematic masterpiece. You're a horror movie fan, 111 00:04:57,584 --> 00:04:58,904 Speaker 2: so I feel like you loved it. 112 00:04:59,304 --> 00:05:01,504 Speaker 1: I loved it. I think it was. It was viewed 113 00:05:01,584 --> 00:05:03,664 Speaker 1: millions of times. It broke all these records over the 114 00:05:03,704 --> 00:05:05,904 Speaker 1: weekend when it came out, and I think about ten 115 00:05:05,984 --> 00:05:08,744 Speaker 1: thousand of those were me, just because so many of 116 00:05:08,744 --> 00:05:11,904 Speaker 1: my favorite movies were referenced stin here and I was 117 00:05:11,944 --> 00:05:12,544 Speaker 1: just into it. 118 00:05:12,704 --> 00:05:15,224 Speaker 2: I want to say twenty three million when I looked 119 00:05:15,224 --> 00:05:17,904 Speaker 2: at it this morning, which is huge. So the entire 120 00:05:17,984 --> 00:05:20,424 Speaker 2: music video it's three minutes, but she packs in so 121 00:05:20,624 --> 00:05:25,664 Speaker 2: many cult classic horror movie references, from like their outfits 122 00:05:25,744 --> 00:05:29,384 Speaker 2: to what they do. It also stars Jenna Otaga, who is. 123 00:05:29,344 --> 00:05:31,704 Speaker 1: Out kind of new screen queen, being in the Screen 124 00:05:31,744 --> 00:05:35,984 Speaker 1: Movies and Wednesday and in Beetlejuice. Beetlejuice, which is coming 125 00:05:36,024 --> 00:05:37,824 Speaker 1: in it is kind of known as that, you know. 126 00:05:38,184 --> 00:05:38,864 Speaker 1: I think there's. 127 00:05:38,784 --> 00:05:41,384 Speaker 2: Also a reference in Beetlejuice too, where they're like at 128 00:05:41,424 --> 00:05:43,504 Speaker 2: the funeral and they're like lined up in. 129 00:05:43,464 --> 00:05:45,624 Speaker 1: The music video, No, that's from death becomes her. 130 00:05:45,824 --> 00:05:49,584 Speaker 2: Oh her wonder the death becomes her. Meryl Streep and Goldiehorn. 131 00:05:49,224 --> 00:05:50,224 Speaker 1: Yes, have you've seen that movie much. 132 00:05:50,304 --> 00:05:52,784 Speaker 2: Oh okay, you've seen love it from my tiktoks. I 133 00:05:52,784 --> 00:05:53,464 Speaker 2: feel like I've seen. 134 00:05:53,464 --> 00:05:55,744 Speaker 1: It's one of my favorite movies. I think I bought 135 00:05:55,784 --> 00:05:57,304 Speaker 1: it off Prime video, So if you want to like 136 00:05:57,424 --> 00:05:59,504 Speaker 1: borrow my link, you can. I think you're about to 137 00:05:59,544 --> 00:06:01,264 Speaker 1: get in a flight. I think you should download it 138 00:06:01,264 --> 00:06:03,784 Speaker 1: and watch on the plane. It is such a great movie, 139 00:06:03,984 --> 00:06:07,424 Speaker 1: a campy, amazing masterpiece. So it's Meryl Streep and Goldiehorn 140 00:06:07,424 --> 00:06:09,824 Speaker 1: who are like these frenemies and they're both like in 141 00:06:09,824 --> 00:06:12,264 Speaker 1: love with Brie Willers in more as a competition because 142 00:06:12,264 --> 00:06:13,744 Speaker 1: he's a bit of a nothing kind of guy who's 143 00:06:13,744 --> 00:06:16,464 Speaker 1: a plastic surgeon. And then they both end up taking 144 00:06:16,504 --> 00:06:19,064 Speaker 1: this potion that's meant to make you young and beautiful forever, 145 00:06:19,544 --> 00:06:21,904 Speaker 1: which is amazing. But anytime they get hurt and they 146 00:06:21,904 --> 00:06:24,544 Speaker 1: have like a blowout fight in the movie, and they 147 00:06:24,664 --> 00:06:27,584 Speaker 1: recreate that in Sabrina Carpenter's video, like when she has 148 00:06:27,624 --> 00:06:29,824 Speaker 1: the hole in her stomach, Like that's a big thing. 149 00:06:29,824 --> 00:06:32,344 Speaker 1: Because they have this fight, they like break their arms off, 150 00:06:32,344 --> 00:06:34,864 Speaker 1: shoot each other, but because they can't die, their bodies 151 00:06:34,984 --> 00:06:37,784 Speaker 1: just like keep falling apart until the end of the 152 00:06:37,824 --> 00:06:40,104 Speaker 1: movie without out a Funeral. I won't spoil for who, 153 00:06:40,464 --> 00:06:44,224 Speaker 1: but they're just like these decrepit people who can barely, 154 00:06:44,464 --> 00:06:46,184 Speaker 1: you know, move and walk because they've had to put 155 00:06:46,184 --> 00:06:48,424 Speaker 1: themselves back together so many times. But it is the 156 00:06:48,464 --> 00:06:50,784 Speaker 1: greatest movie. It's so campy and wonderful. 157 00:06:50,984 --> 00:06:52,904 Speaker 2: I'm not sure I feel a bit sick. 158 00:06:53,064 --> 00:06:54,944 Speaker 1: No, no, no, you would love it. It is hilarious. 159 00:06:54,944 --> 00:06:56,224 Speaker 1: I used to watch it as a kid over and 160 00:06:56,264 --> 00:06:58,384 Speaker 1: over again on a VHX, so that's how good it is. 161 00:06:58,384 --> 00:07:00,264 Speaker 1: So you would you would be able to deal with it. 162 00:07:00,264 --> 00:07:01,904 Speaker 1: It's not gory, Okay, I'll try my best. 163 00:07:01,984 --> 00:07:03,824 Speaker 2: If it does get a bit gory, I'm calling you 164 00:07:03,904 --> 00:07:05,144 Speaker 2: from the plane. 165 00:07:05,584 --> 00:07:07,344 Speaker 1: But I love how Sabrina was like very much in 166 00:07:07,384 --> 00:07:09,744 Speaker 1: the Meryl Street mode, because she's the glamorous movie star 167 00:07:09,944 --> 00:07:12,944 Speaker 1: in death becomes her and then Jenna or Tagar. Even 168 00:07:12,944 --> 00:07:15,104 Speaker 1: though Goldie Horn's got a bit more of a reddish 169 00:07:15,104 --> 00:07:17,544 Speaker 1: blonde hair, she had her scature dark hair, but you 170 00:07:17,584 --> 00:07:19,904 Speaker 1: can tell that she's been the Goldiehorn character who's a 171 00:07:19,944 --> 00:07:21,704 Speaker 1: bit more malicious. Yeah. 172 00:07:21,944 --> 00:07:24,304 Speaker 2: I also found from movies that I have actually seen, 173 00:07:24,424 --> 00:07:26,624 Speaker 2: there was like a scene that looked like Psycho where 174 00:07:26,664 --> 00:07:28,104 Speaker 2: she comes into the shower. 175 00:07:29,064 --> 00:07:30,184 Speaker 1: Movie I have seen Psycho. 176 00:07:30,224 --> 00:07:31,144 Speaker 2: I've also seen. 177 00:07:30,984 --> 00:07:33,744 Speaker 1: Child's Play because I had the doll references in there 178 00:07:33,744 --> 00:07:36,344 Speaker 1: from the Chucky universe. Yeah, that's important. She has storing 179 00:07:36,344 --> 00:07:36,824 Speaker 1: from everywhere. 180 00:07:36,864 --> 00:07:38,864 Speaker 2: Jenna will take his body. How she was doing that, 181 00:07:38,944 --> 00:07:40,424 Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god, it's like she's recreating 182 00:07:40,424 --> 00:07:41,904 Speaker 2: the Wednesday dance just for us. 183 00:07:42,104 --> 00:07:44,104 Speaker 1: Oh. I mean that would be interesting if she was, 184 00:07:44,144 --> 00:07:47,064 Speaker 1: because she famously hated talking about that dance after it. 185 00:07:47,464 --> 00:07:49,304 Speaker 1: Anytime people brought it up to her, she would get 186 00:07:49,344 --> 00:07:49,904 Speaker 1: quite angry. 187 00:07:49,944 --> 00:07:51,024 Speaker 2: Sorry, Jenna. 188 00:07:51,144 --> 00:07:54,064 Speaker 1: They also what other movies are in there? Kill Bill? Yeah, 189 00:07:54,064 --> 00:07:56,824 Speaker 1: that fits though, the nurse outfits coming into the hospital Bell. 190 00:07:56,704 --> 00:07:58,824 Speaker 2: Pat Yeah, I'm not sure of this is this Death 191 00:07:58,864 --> 00:08:02,744 Speaker 2: Becomes Her where Jenna was choking Sabrina using Sabrina's arm 192 00:08:02,824 --> 00:08:03,784 Speaker 2: that she chopped off. 193 00:08:03,864 --> 00:08:07,464 Speaker 1: That is an amazing scene from Death Becomes Her. That 194 00:08:07,664 --> 00:08:08,704 Speaker 1: was so good. 195 00:08:09,024 --> 00:08:09,864 Speaker 2: Did you see anything else? 196 00:08:09,904 --> 00:08:10,264 Speaker 1: Yeah? I did. 197 00:08:10,384 --> 00:08:11,864 Speaker 2: Can you watch more horror movies than I? 198 00:08:12,064 --> 00:08:13,664 Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, I was so watch Psycho and I was like, 199 00:08:13,664 --> 00:08:16,304 Speaker 1: there it is, yeah, my famous shower scene. I also 200 00:08:16,384 --> 00:08:19,464 Speaker 1: loved with the Psycho recreation, like infamously in that scene, 201 00:08:19,584 --> 00:08:22,544 Speaker 1: the woman gets stabbed to death and dies and you 202 00:08:22,584 --> 00:08:24,624 Speaker 1: see that moment of surprise, which lets you know later 203 00:08:24,664 --> 00:08:26,144 Speaker 1: on who the killer is. But I thought in the 204 00:08:26,184 --> 00:08:28,424 Speaker 1: music video was so good that she stabbed back and 205 00:08:28,504 --> 00:08:29,784 Speaker 1: fought back. Yeah, it was it. 206 00:08:29,904 --> 00:08:31,784 Speaker 2: I know what she did last summer, the Hook. 207 00:08:32,104 --> 00:08:34,944 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's in there too. Yeah you go, oh 208 00:08:35,024 --> 00:08:36,384 Speaker 1: my god. I know this girl's up to day on 209 00:08:36,424 --> 00:08:38,984 Speaker 1: her movies. I also thought there's a great reference in 210 00:08:39,024 --> 00:08:44,624 Speaker 1: there to this cult classic Canadian supernatural horror movie Ginger Snaps. 211 00:08:44,824 --> 00:08:45,744 Speaker 2: What's Ginger Snaps? 212 00:08:45,824 --> 00:08:48,144 Speaker 1: It's about were wolfs, soor these girls who's two sisters 213 00:08:48,144 --> 00:08:49,864 Speaker 1: who are out one night. Is to do with periods 214 00:08:49,904 --> 00:08:53,664 Speaker 1: and stuff as well, which is really interesting. Welling the 215 00:08:53,704 --> 00:08:55,944 Speaker 1: young girl gets bitten by were wolf and starts becoming 216 00:08:55,984 --> 00:08:58,144 Speaker 1: a werewolf and she snaps, So that's the whole thing. 217 00:08:58,304 --> 00:09:00,704 Speaker 1: But there's a really iconic moment in that movie where 218 00:09:00,784 --> 00:09:02,744 Speaker 1: she dies and she gets in pale by a white 219 00:09:02,784 --> 00:09:05,744 Speaker 1: picket fence and she puts the finger up as she dies, 220 00:09:05,824 --> 00:09:08,024 Speaker 1: and that happens in this as well, so I feel 221 00:09:08,024 --> 00:09:09,984 Speaker 1: like she's built that in there. And also all the 222 00:09:10,064 --> 00:09:12,544 Speaker 1: chains All moments. I very like Chainsaw Massacre. 223 00:09:12,224 --> 00:09:15,824 Speaker 2: Yeah change where she like kills Sabrina and then Sabrina's 224 00:09:15,824 --> 00:09:16,744 Speaker 2: actually her boyfriend. 225 00:09:16,984 --> 00:09:19,624 Speaker 1: Yeah, what did you think of the kiss between the 226 00:09:19,664 --> 00:09:20,144 Speaker 1: two of them? 227 00:09:20,224 --> 00:09:22,904 Speaker 2: I loved it, he loved it. Yeah, so the kiss 228 00:09:22,984 --> 00:09:28,584 Speaker 2: happened because Jenna was kissing her boyfriend their shared boyfriend, Yeah, 229 00:09:28,704 --> 00:09:31,704 Speaker 2: who may or may not be a celebrity that Sabrina 230 00:09:31,784 --> 00:09:36,384 Speaker 2: dated briefly. And then suddenly her boyfriend turns into Sabrina. 231 00:09:36,544 --> 00:09:39,464 Speaker 2: She realizes she's kissing Sabrina, so she pulls out a 232 00:09:39,544 --> 00:09:43,664 Speaker 2: chainsaw from her pocket. Yeah, and then im pale Sabrina 233 00:09:43,704 --> 00:09:46,664 Speaker 2: with the chainsaw. Sabrina falls in the pool. But wait, 234 00:09:46,824 --> 00:09:50,144 Speaker 2: plot twist, Sabrina appears next to Jenna, and Jenna realized 235 00:09:50,144 --> 00:09:52,864 Speaker 2: she actually impaled their boyfriend into the pool. 236 00:09:53,184 --> 00:09:55,024 Speaker 1: Yes, so they killed the boyfriend, which is also a 237 00:09:55,024 --> 00:09:57,424 Speaker 1: few different horror movie references. Yeah, with the kiss, I 238 00:09:57,464 --> 00:10:00,104 Speaker 1: thought like, maybe there was a time when like two 239 00:10:00,104 --> 00:10:03,504 Speaker 1: women just kind of kissing for publicity would have been 240 00:10:03,624 --> 00:10:05,904 Speaker 1: a more problematic thing, But in this case, I thought 241 00:10:05,984 --> 00:10:08,784 Speaker 1: it kind of worked because it was in those movie 242 00:10:08,864 --> 00:10:10,864 Speaker 1: characters and it was kind of like part of the 243 00:10:10,904 --> 00:10:13,304 Speaker 1: story they were telling, and it didn't feel like it 244 00:10:13,344 --> 00:10:16,224 Speaker 1: was just in there to be a weird shocking moment 245 00:10:16,384 --> 00:10:18,184 Speaker 1: like it maybe would have been a couple of years ago. 246 00:10:18,384 --> 00:10:21,944 Speaker 2: I feel like it's more normalized now. Like when I 247 00:10:21,944 --> 00:10:23,504 Speaker 2: looked at the kissing scene, I was just like, oh, 248 00:10:23,544 --> 00:10:24,504 Speaker 2: they're kissing. 249 00:10:24,344 --> 00:10:26,504 Speaker 1: Not the two women kissing obviously should be a thing. 250 00:10:26,544 --> 00:10:28,544 Speaker 1: But there have been times where in pop culture it's 251 00:10:28,584 --> 00:10:30,544 Speaker 1: been used as this weird kind of shock factor of 252 00:10:30,584 --> 00:10:32,264 Speaker 1: oh look what they did, you know kind of thing, 253 00:10:32,464 --> 00:10:34,424 Speaker 1: going back to like Brittany and Madonna, and like, you know, 254 00:10:34,504 --> 00:10:36,704 Speaker 1: it's been used in music videos. But in this I 255 00:10:36,744 --> 00:10:38,704 Speaker 1: actually liked how much of like a non kind of 256 00:10:38,984 --> 00:10:41,104 Speaker 1: event it was. It was just part of the storyline 257 00:10:41,144 --> 00:10:41,624 Speaker 1: of the video. 258 00:10:41,864 --> 00:10:44,184 Speaker 2: Yeah, the chakra for me was her gaping hole in 259 00:10:44,224 --> 00:10:44,824 Speaker 2: the abdomen. 260 00:10:44,944 --> 00:10:47,944 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay again watch Death Becomes Her. There's a great 261 00:10:48,024 --> 00:10:48,584 Speaker 1: scene in that. 262 00:10:48,744 --> 00:10:53,144 Speaker 2: Oh God. So coming up next, we are diving deep 263 00:10:53,224 --> 00:10:57,304 Speaker 2: into Sabrina Carpenter's entire career, as well as her rise 264 00:10:57,384 --> 00:10:59,584 Speaker 2: to fame and all the marketing schemes she's done to 265 00:10:59,624 --> 00:11:00,944 Speaker 2: get there. Nana, Nana. 266 00:11:01,984 --> 00:11:04,504 Speaker 1: So, as previously stated, I did spend my weekend watching 267 00:11:04,544 --> 00:11:07,624 Speaker 1: this video clip over and over again and deep diving 268 00:11:07,624 --> 00:11:10,184 Speaker 1: into all of Sabrina's work. And I've always been a fan, 269 00:11:10,344 --> 00:11:12,224 Speaker 1: but I think like everyone else is. I've kind of 270 00:11:12,264 --> 00:11:15,104 Speaker 1: really jumped on the Sabrina cup and a bandwagon in 271 00:11:15,144 --> 00:11:18,264 Speaker 1: the last year or so, saw her live at Taylor Swift. Sorry, no, 272 00:11:18,344 --> 00:11:21,024 Speaker 1: that's triggering for you. Thought she was great, very much 273 00:11:21,064 --> 00:11:23,464 Speaker 1: into all this girly pop music that she's putting out. 274 00:11:23,744 --> 00:11:26,144 Speaker 1: But what I find is so interesting, just like watching 275 00:11:26,184 --> 00:11:29,024 Speaker 1: all these clips of her performing and looking at this 276 00:11:29,104 --> 00:11:32,824 Speaker 1: persona that she's created is one the marketing around. Just 277 00:11:32,944 --> 00:11:36,944 Speaker 1: her look is so well done and so strong, and 278 00:11:37,024 --> 00:11:38,784 Speaker 1: when you look at her, it should be kind of 279 00:11:38,824 --> 00:11:42,824 Speaker 1: a nothing thing, like a tiny blonde bombshell with very 280 00:11:43,184 --> 00:11:46,104 Speaker 1: not overdone makeup, but not leaning into that whole natural 281 00:11:46,104 --> 00:11:49,904 Speaker 1: beauty thing like full blush, old school you know, mascara, lipstick, 282 00:11:50,344 --> 00:11:53,864 Speaker 1: big hair, those kind of blonde curls, wearing these like 283 00:11:53,944 --> 00:11:56,384 Speaker 1: tiny little outfits and shimmering on stage. 284 00:11:56,384 --> 00:11:57,024 Speaker 2: Hollypocket. 285 00:11:57,184 --> 00:11:59,784 Speaker 1: Yeah, the whole Pollypocket persona. Even when we got there 286 00:11:59,784 --> 00:12:02,104 Speaker 1: because we've got a press pack from her management to 287 00:12:02,184 --> 00:12:04,824 Speaker 1: announce the new song and album and stuff coming out 288 00:12:04,824 --> 00:12:06,424 Speaker 1: this week, and they had like printed up like a 289 00:12:07,104 --> 00:12:10,024 Speaker 1: retro kind of newspaper all about Sabrina Carpenter, and the 290 00:12:10,064 --> 00:12:12,904 Speaker 1: whole box was covered with like kisses on the inside 291 00:12:12,944 --> 00:12:15,704 Speaker 1: and had little chocolate kisses with like pictures of Sabrina. 292 00:12:15,824 --> 00:12:18,304 Speaker 1: And what I thought was interesting is that there was 293 00:12:18,344 --> 00:12:20,784 Speaker 1: some pictures of her just in silhouette, but you can 294 00:12:20,824 --> 00:12:23,064 Speaker 1: tell it's her, which I think is when you kind 295 00:12:23,064 --> 00:12:25,424 Speaker 1: of have someone who's got a truly iconic look, like 296 00:12:25,504 --> 00:12:27,624 Speaker 1: just think like a like a Marilyn Monroe, Like you 297 00:12:27,624 --> 00:12:30,904 Speaker 1: can just have the silhouette of Marilyn Monroe and people 298 00:12:30,944 --> 00:12:33,544 Speaker 1: know who she is. And that's also why Kim Kardashian 299 00:12:33,664 --> 00:12:36,224 Speaker 1: felt so good about covering her face on the American 300 00:12:36,264 --> 00:12:39,304 Speaker 1: theme met gala carpets everyone because she's like, I've worked 301 00:12:39,344 --> 00:12:41,704 Speaker 1: so hard to get this silhouette that people recognize out 302 00:12:41,744 --> 00:12:44,624 Speaker 1: my face. And I feel like Sabrina Carpenter has almost 303 00:12:44,624 --> 00:12:48,224 Speaker 1: gone into that as well, where she's become almost a caricature, 304 00:12:48,264 --> 00:12:50,384 Speaker 1: but it's helping to sell her music in a really 305 00:12:50,464 --> 00:12:51,104 Speaker 1: interesting way. 306 00:12:51,264 --> 00:12:53,624 Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't realize that it's so true. It's like 307 00:12:54,024 --> 00:12:57,144 Speaker 2: her big hair, the blush, I feel like you need 308 00:12:57,144 --> 00:12:58,264 Speaker 2: to see the blush a little bit. 309 00:12:58,624 --> 00:13:00,904 Speaker 1: The blush is almost become a calling cup. And what's 310 00:13:00,904 --> 00:13:02,904 Speaker 1: interesting about all of these things, like it's not a 311 00:13:02,944 --> 00:13:06,024 Speaker 1: new thing for particularly a female pop star, to have 312 00:13:06,064 --> 00:13:08,424 Speaker 1: a very signature look and have that be the thing 313 00:13:08,504 --> 00:13:11,824 Speaker 1: that almost sells their music ahead of the song. Like 314 00:13:11,904 --> 00:13:13,784 Speaker 1: it was very much like with Britney Spears when she 315 00:13:14,544 --> 00:13:16,344 Speaker 1: was first kicking off, you know, the very like low 316 00:13:16,424 --> 00:13:18,664 Speaker 1: rise genes and having her middrift out there, and the 317 00:13:18,704 --> 00:13:21,304 Speaker 1: same with Kylie Minogue and her hot pants, and it's 318 00:13:21,344 --> 00:13:23,904 Speaker 1: become a reveral thing even now, so much with Taylor Swift, 319 00:13:23,944 --> 00:13:26,024 Speaker 1: like she has a very because she's gone through so 320 00:13:26,024 --> 00:13:29,504 Speaker 1: many different errors. She doesn't have this one defined look 321 00:13:29,544 --> 00:13:31,944 Speaker 1: because she's chosen to change it up so many times. 322 00:13:32,024 --> 00:13:33,784 Speaker 1: But for such a long time she did have that 323 00:13:33,824 --> 00:13:37,664 Speaker 1: whole sparkly dress, corkscrew curls, cowboy booth. That was her 324 00:13:37,704 --> 00:13:40,864 Speaker 1: defining look. And the interesting thing about Sabrina Carpenter is like, 325 00:13:41,744 --> 00:13:44,104 Speaker 1: when you look at the way that they've packaged her 326 00:13:44,184 --> 00:13:47,384 Speaker 1: up to have this iconic look that's selling her music, 327 00:13:47,824 --> 00:13:51,144 Speaker 1: it should feel retro in a way that's regressive. 328 00:13:51,464 --> 00:13:55,424 Speaker 2: Yeah, like very like looks first, everything else after. It's 329 00:13:55,424 --> 00:13:57,624 Speaker 2: so true, and she's also taken a risk by going 330 00:13:57,664 --> 00:14:00,184 Speaker 2: against I guess the trends of her generation, which is 331 00:14:00,304 --> 00:14:04,984 Speaker 2: very clean, beauty like no makeup, makeup look like just 332 00:14:05,024 --> 00:14:08,904 Speaker 2: like very clean aesthetic, minimal appariance, and she's just going 333 00:14:08,984 --> 00:14:10,944 Speaker 2: no full face to makeup every or like. 334 00:14:10,944 --> 00:14:13,384 Speaker 1: A Billie Eilish kind of thing, like baggy suits, no 335 00:14:13,584 --> 00:14:16,184 Speaker 1: baggy t shirts, no makeup, being like, I'm not doing 336 00:14:16,224 --> 00:14:17,304 Speaker 1: that pop princess thing. 337 00:14:17,624 --> 00:14:19,904 Speaker 2: We're letting her talent speak for its tol. Yeah, but 338 00:14:19,944 --> 00:14:21,864 Speaker 2: she's very much like, no, my look is the talent 339 00:14:21,904 --> 00:14:22,264 Speaker 2: as well. 340 00:14:22,424 --> 00:14:24,624 Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. And also what I find interesting is that 341 00:14:24,704 --> 00:14:26,584 Speaker 1: like when I say it's aggressive, like I don't mean 342 00:14:26,624 --> 00:14:27,824 Speaker 1: that to be a bad thing, but I just think 343 00:14:27,864 --> 00:14:30,464 Speaker 1: the conversation that we've been having around it's all about 344 00:14:30,464 --> 00:14:33,064 Speaker 1: her looks, yeah exactly. But also the conversation we've been 345 00:14:33,064 --> 00:14:34,824 Speaker 1: having the last couple of years in terms of like 346 00:14:35,064 --> 00:14:38,184 Speaker 1: having more diversity across music and film and TV, not 347 00:14:38,224 --> 00:14:42,144 Speaker 1: having women look at these certain ways, having different musicians 348 00:14:42,744 --> 00:14:45,584 Speaker 1: like Eliza and Adele, who pushed back against that kind 349 00:14:45,664 --> 00:14:49,904 Speaker 1: of tiny blonde pop princess in tiny clothes dancing that 350 00:14:49,984 --> 00:14:51,784 Speaker 1: we had for so many years, Like there was a 351 00:14:51,784 --> 00:14:54,864 Speaker 1: moment in time there where you had Britney Spears, Jessica Simpson, 352 00:14:54,984 --> 00:14:59,064 Speaker 1: Christina Aguilera, Mandy Moore, and you could barely tell them apart. 353 00:14:59,144 --> 00:15:01,464 Speaker 1: They all were packaged up to look a certain way. 354 00:15:01,784 --> 00:15:04,104 Speaker 1: And then it's like the industry flipped and everyone started 355 00:15:04,144 --> 00:15:06,024 Speaker 1: having these more unique looks, and we were like, we 356 00:15:06,064 --> 00:15:09,184 Speaker 1: don't do the Barbie pop princess thing anymore. But then 357 00:15:09,424 --> 00:15:11,824 Speaker 1: Sabrina's bought a back in such a I don't know, 358 00:15:11,864 --> 00:15:13,264 Speaker 1: it's such a I don't want to say innocent way, 359 00:15:13,264 --> 00:15:14,864 Speaker 1: because I feel like it is. You know, she would 360 00:15:14,904 --> 00:15:16,704 Speaker 1: have a huge marketing team behind her, and I think 361 00:15:16,704 --> 00:15:19,064 Speaker 1: she's also been very savvy about changing over from her 362 00:15:19,224 --> 00:15:22,744 Speaker 1: Disney days, but carrying just enough of that Disney princess 363 00:15:22,824 --> 00:15:27,184 Speaker 1: si kind of element over that people are really responding 364 00:15:27,224 --> 00:15:29,904 Speaker 1: to it in a positive way, and maybe just in 365 00:15:30,024 --> 00:15:32,664 Speaker 1: the way, like life feels so incredibly tough for so 366 00:15:32,704 --> 00:15:35,704 Speaker 1: many people right now, maybe everyone just wants that kind 367 00:15:35,704 --> 00:15:39,504 Speaker 1: of frothy princess. You know, maybe we regress back to 368 00:15:39,504 --> 00:15:40,784 Speaker 1: that because it's like a safety man. 369 00:15:41,024 --> 00:15:44,064 Speaker 2: I think also, because she's in on the conversation about it, 370 00:15:44,104 --> 00:15:45,984 Speaker 2: it looks like she's the one who set the look 371 00:15:46,264 --> 00:15:48,784 Speaker 2: and set the trend, which has given us permission to 372 00:15:48,824 --> 00:15:51,864 Speaker 2: talk about it. Whereas with like the Brittany's and the 373 00:15:51,944 --> 00:15:54,824 Speaker 2: Christina aguileres like they weren't in on it. Certain people 374 00:15:54,944 --> 00:15:56,944 Speaker 2: just like took their look and just started making a 375 00:15:56,944 --> 00:15:59,864 Speaker 2: conversation on the side about them. Yes, where she's very 376 00:15:59,944 --> 00:16:02,064 Speaker 2: much setting the agenda. Like in all her music videos, 377 00:16:02,064 --> 00:16:05,064 Speaker 2: you see her applying lipstick, you see her talking about blut, 378 00:16:05,104 --> 00:16:07,944 Speaker 2: so she's like so in on, like she knows exactly 379 00:16:08,024 --> 00:16:10,304 Speaker 2: what she's doing with her makeup, and she's like said 380 00:16:10,544 --> 00:16:12,784 Speaker 2: the agenda of the conversation, and we're just like following 381 00:16:12,944 --> 00:16:13,864 Speaker 2: what she wants us to do. 382 00:16:13,984 --> 00:16:16,304 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. I've got to say, as much as I 383 00:16:16,344 --> 00:16:18,624 Speaker 1: loved the video clip as previously established, and I do 384 00:16:18,704 --> 00:16:22,024 Speaker 1: love Sabrina Carpenter, I dream of having that fringe and 385 00:16:22,264 --> 00:16:23,944 Speaker 1: those lips like that would be. And I listened to 386 00:16:23,984 --> 00:16:25,624 Speaker 1: her music and it's all the good time. But I 387 00:16:25,704 --> 00:16:27,864 Speaker 1: do kind of wish it didn't have to be so 388 00:16:27,944 --> 00:16:30,384 Speaker 1: gimmicky to get our attention. But I kind of understand 389 00:16:30,384 --> 00:16:32,344 Speaker 1: why it has to be like that, because just think 390 00:16:32,384 --> 00:16:35,344 Speaker 1: you can't put out a video clip now without it 391 00:16:35,464 --> 00:16:38,584 Speaker 1: having all of these like either hooks to your personal life, 392 00:16:38,624 --> 00:16:41,304 Speaker 1: like her last video did with Barry Krogan, and that 393 00:16:41,424 --> 00:16:44,664 Speaker 1: was also an homage to Quentin Tarantino movies and like 394 00:16:44,744 --> 00:16:47,504 Speaker 1: other old school kind of Hollywood movies. And again, I 395 00:16:47,504 --> 00:16:49,544 Speaker 1: love that she loves these movies. This is the first 396 00:16:49,584 --> 00:16:52,584 Speaker 1: celebrity where I'm like, would we be friends? Both the 397 00:16:52,584 --> 00:16:54,944 Speaker 1: spell podcast, We both like the same kind of movies, 398 00:16:55,024 --> 00:16:57,904 Speaker 1: we both go heavy with the lipstick, we both like 399 00:16:57,904 --> 00:17:01,584 Speaker 1: a fringe. Is she my new Taylor Swift? I don't know. Yeah, 400 00:17:01,624 --> 00:17:05,304 Speaker 1: I'm a really tall brunette Sabrina Carpenter. But I also 401 00:17:05,464 --> 00:17:08,264 Speaker 1: just think, like, can you release something like this now 402 00:17:08,464 --> 00:17:11,704 Speaker 1: without something that either has all of those hidden messages 403 00:17:11,704 --> 00:17:13,984 Speaker 1: to your personal life, like even Taylor Swift has are 404 00:17:14,024 --> 00:17:17,584 Speaker 1: really in it now to sell her music? Or you 405 00:17:17,704 --> 00:17:20,944 Speaker 1: have to release these music videos that have all of 406 00:17:20,984 --> 00:17:24,864 Speaker 1: these throwbacks to old movies and iconic moments and bring 407 00:17:24,904 --> 00:17:26,904 Speaker 1: someone like General or Tager in. And I know that 408 00:17:27,024 --> 00:17:30,304 Speaker 1: like having these music videos be a marketing stunt has 409 00:17:30,344 --> 00:17:32,664 Speaker 1: been like that's why they're invented. But I feel like, 410 00:17:32,824 --> 00:17:35,984 Speaker 1: now there's just no cut through without this, so there's 411 00:17:35,984 --> 00:17:37,904 Speaker 1: no originality. 412 00:17:37,064 --> 00:17:38,624 Speaker 2: The reason of the career. You'll have to put in 413 00:17:38,664 --> 00:17:40,944 Speaker 2: that ten percent extra work than every other artist. 414 00:17:41,064 --> 00:17:43,344 Speaker 1: Yeah, I just feel like, now, can you put out 415 00:17:43,344 --> 00:17:45,424 Speaker 1: a music video that people are gonna get on really 416 00:17:45,464 --> 00:17:47,184 Speaker 1: on board with, and that was going to go viral 417 00:17:47,264 --> 00:17:51,344 Speaker 1: in this way without either leaning on the nostalgia of 418 00:17:51,384 --> 00:17:53,944 Speaker 1: pop culture and referencing movies because you know so many 419 00:17:53,984 --> 00:17:55,744 Speaker 1: people are around a Grande and or you know so many 420 00:17:55,744 --> 00:17:59,584 Speaker 1: people have done that over time, or like putting bits 421 00:17:59,584 --> 00:18:02,104 Speaker 1: of your personal life in there, like a Miley Cyrus 422 00:18:02,144 --> 00:18:04,024 Speaker 1: or a Taylor Swift, so that people have to comb 423 00:18:04,024 --> 00:18:06,824 Speaker 1: through it over and over again looking for information about 424 00:18:06,864 --> 00:18:09,304 Speaker 1: your personal life more so than the song. That's why 425 00:18:09,344 --> 00:18:10,984 Speaker 1: I think right now, that's kind. 426 00:18:10,784 --> 00:18:12,824 Speaker 2: Of it's the competition exactly. 427 00:18:12,944 --> 00:18:15,464 Speaker 1: But anyway, huge fan can't wait to see which movie 428 00:18:15,544 --> 00:18:17,144 Speaker 1: she references in her next video clip. 429 00:18:17,504 --> 00:18:19,584 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for listening to The Spill today. 430 00:18:19,664 --> 00:18:21,704 Speaker 2: If you love this episode and love to talk about 431 00:18:21,704 --> 00:18:24,864 Speaker 2: Sabrina Carpenter like we do, hit us up on Instagram. 432 00:18:24,904 --> 00:18:26,984 Speaker 2: You can follow us at The Spill Podcast. Let us 433 00:18:26,984 --> 00:18:28,704 Speaker 2: know what you think of the music video as well 434 00:18:28,744 --> 00:18:31,584 Speaker 2: as her entire career. You can always DM us We 435 00:18:31,664 --> 00:18:33,864 Speaker 2: will see you back here in your podcast feed at 436 00:18:33,864 --> 00:18:41,104 Speaker 2: three pm tomorrow. Bye bye, Lan