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Speaker 2: From Mamma Mia. Welcome to the Skill your daily pop

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Speaker 3: And I'm Laura Brodnick, and we do have a special

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Speaker 3: to bump her in. No, it's fine, it's fine. That

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Speaker 3: voice is someone you've heard recently airing her very disgruntled

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Speaker 3: thoughts on a new movie franchise that we won't bring

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Speaker 3: up now, so you're triggered. But it's Tina Berg, Mama's

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Speaker 2: On today's show, and a lista has caused us her

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Speaker 2: with her latest raunchy interview admitting to amazing sex with

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Speaker 2: a twenty six year old, and we dive deep into

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Speaker 2: the law of Lewis Pullman and why the Mamma Mia

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Speaker 2: office can't get enough of this. Nepo Baby, You're going

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Speaker 2: to have to do a lot of explaining to me

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Speaker 2: on that particular one. But first, Nepo Baby, we love

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Speaker 2: now talking about Lewis Pullman. He has just sort of

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Speaker 2: been pictured with Kya Gober over the last seven months.

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Speaker 2: We're seeing them together more and more, and we thought

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Speaker 2: we'd kind of go into some of our favorite Nepo

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Speaker 2: babies Nepo baby relationships, like we're going above and beyond.

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Speaker 2: We're going over the top here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Nepo baby to have found in love with other

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Speaker 3: NEPO babies, which is the only kind of in breeding

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Speaker 2: It's like royals marrying royals. It feels very I think

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Speaker 2: I said this before. It's very like Habsburg, like a

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Speaker 3: Those celebrity blond lines clean. Yeah, one of.

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Speaker 2: My favorites, which is kind of a little bit random

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Speaker 2: No, I'm just saying that they're not like big movie

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Speaker 3: Eloped, right, I hope that's the right celebrity couple I'm

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Speaker 2: And I just keep thinking of that scene in Bad

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Speaker 3: It's definitely the coolest of all the NEPO baby couple

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Speaker 4: Like you'd want to hang out with them at the

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Speaker 4: So Lily Collins Emily and Paris, her dad is Phil Collins.

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Speaker 2: I'm more excited about Phil Collins because the Tarzan soundtrack

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Speaker 3: I never met anybody in my cherry picks some facts.

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Speaker 2: Then I could say anything. And you have a random side.

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Speaker 2: You've got the best memory.

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Speaker 3: I've got a photographic memory, and I'm using it.

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Speaker 2: This makes me feel not so bad because I'm always

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Speaker 2: like you just remember the most random names.

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Speaker 2: Things fall out of my head as soon as I

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Speaker 3: No, well that that sounds very peaceful, much more peaceful

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Speaker 3: Cheers the Good Place. Three men and a baby, three men,

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Speaker 2: What else I do like to dance? I just it

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Speaker 3: Well, well, I love it that this is We're just

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Speaker 2: Well, speaking of unstoppable, Kaya Goeber was always someone who

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Speaker 3: Would we call it weird? Well, once like find the

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Speaker 3: of Kaya and Lewis just holding hands. Nothing crazy or salacious,

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Speaker 4: They also both ordered a smoothie and then she drank

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Speaker 3: That's hot.

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Speaker 4: Like it's like, I think that's really cute. I think

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Speaker 3: Oh? I thought it was like a sexy thing like that.

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Speaker 4: It was like it's like a lady the tramp thing

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Speaker 3: That's lovely. That's just that's information from me to you. Well, no,

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Speaker 3: that is again there's a lot of unpack here and

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Speaker 3: everything I know about most things I know about Lewis Pullman,

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Speaker 3: I Philip do come from Tina. So your obsession with

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Speaker 3: him has translated into many Slack messages to me, many

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Speaker 3: late night Instagram. Yeah, yeah, kind of like, look how

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Speaker 3: But she's so good in bottoms, she's so good recently

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Speaker 3: in overcompensating. So we're gonna throw to Tina after this

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Speaker 3: to explain the poll that Lewis Pullman has on the

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Speaker 2: So, Tina, you're gonna have to explain to me you're

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Speaker 4: Okay, So, like back to nineteen fifty three.

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Speaker 5: Nineteen fifty three, strapping guys, Can I just say I

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Speaker 3: It's about my crush away.

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Speaker 4: So nineteen fifty fifty three, the Pullman is born, so

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Speaker 4: he becomes an actor. We love him, we think he's

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Speaker 4: so hot. So he's in space Balls. He's in the

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Speaker 3: We talk about this all the time.

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Speaker 4: And we have talked on the spill, so I hope

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Speaker 4: all the spills are worship and if you haven't Disney

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Speaker 3: It is amazing.

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Speaker 4: And he was just like this charming, beautiful man. He

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Speaker 4: is Lewis Paul and we enter the world and here

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Speaker 4: we are are your birthdays close together? What's the timeline there?

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Speaker 4: He is like almost exactly five months older than me,

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Speaker 4: So like we're good. Yeah, okay, so your soul's pretty

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Speaker 4: much enter the universe at the same time. Yeah, I

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Speaker 4: think that they knew that, like we were meant to be,

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Speaker 4: souls entered the world at the same time the universe new.

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Speaker 2: Honestly, I don't think I realized how funny.

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Speaker 3: I'm not.

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Speaker 4: I just have a really big crush. So I talked

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Speaker 4: to Lauria about this all the time, which is like

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Speaker 4: multi generational crushes. Yeah, it's what I've coined this when

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Speaker 4: you like find a dad hot and then you're the

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Speaker 4: same age as like their nepo offspring.

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Speaker 3: this is in our job description. Yes, not the late

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Speaker 3: That sound so that will talk about off air, but

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Speaker 3: like these general discussions and work hours. Yes, yeah, we

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Speaker 2: Argue that it does, and I do want to thank

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Speaker 4: But honestly, guys, Bill Pullman, Lewis Pullman, what hot is? What?

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Speaker 3: My god? You can have so much fun when you

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Speaker 2: Well, Tina, thank you so much for joining us. We're

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Speaker 3: See you back at our shoes. I'll see you there.

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Speaker 4: Everybody go Follow Lewis on Instagram, Following Half on Instagram,

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Speaker 2: Okay, so we all love an unfiltered interview and Charlie

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Speaker 2: Sarron has people clutching their pearls in her latest chat

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Speaker 2: has had a pretty incredible life, pretty traumatic one to

431
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Speaker 2: start within her younger years. Do you want to take

432
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Speaker 2: us through her early life and kind of what we

433
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Speaker 2: find out about her?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? So I think what is so kind of refreshing

435
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Speaker 3: about this interview is I feel like the words unfiltered raw,

436
00:18:33,584 --> 00:18:36,744
Speaker 3: This is a real conversation. Those words are thrown around

437
00:18:36,784 --> 00:18:39,504
Speaker 3: so much in media at the moment, particularly in podcasts,

438
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Speaker 3: which I understand because that's the content we all want.

439
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Speaker 3: But the more those words get thrown around, and the

440
00:18:44,464 --> 00:18:48,064
Speaker 3: more podcasts, especially with celebrities, become these things that like,

441
00:18:48,664 --> 00:18:51,104
Speaker 3: rarely do people listen to the full, especially this once

442
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Speaker 3: an hour and a half. You just know that people

443
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Speaker 3: aren't listening to that, even though I know Call Her

444
00:18:54,664 --> 00:18:57,384
Speaker 3: Daddy has huge downlow numbers, but a lot of people

445
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Speaker 3: will just be seeing the little clips and the headlines

446
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Speaker 3: and stuff. And so what was interested at this interview

447
00:19:02,464 --> 00:19:05,144
Speaker 3: is it does feel raw and unfiltered to a certain extent,

448
00:19:05,384 --> 00:19:08,264
Speaker 3: but not so much for the sex stuff, which we'll

449
00:19:08,264 --> 00:19:10,024
Speaker 3: get into. Like, I mean, I'm sure you're the same.

450
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Speaker 3: I've had white more intense conversations with my girlfriends over

451
00:19:12,944 --> 00:19:15,624
Speaker 3: like Saffy this than this.

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Speaker 2: This is why I don't understand the backlash. I don't

453
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Speaker 2: think it's backlash. It's just a few grumpy people with them.

454
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Speaker 3: But people like this. People are angry about it. But

455
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Speaker 3: there's people who are like, oh, it's so shocking, I

456
00:19:26,624 --> 00:19:28,144
Speaker 3: can't believe she said that, And I was like, I.

457
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Speaker 2: Just not I have way dirty or conversations with my

458
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Speaker 2: hands one.

459
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Speaker 3: Hundred Well again, this is again. I don't think neither

460
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Speaker 3: of them were even trying to be dirty or shocking.

461
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Speaker 3: It's like when you have a normal adult conversation about

462
00:19:38,904 --> 00:19:41,824
Speaker 3: life and relationships, sex will come into it. And I

463
00:19:41,824 --> 00:19:43,864
Speaker 3: think she just said some stuff out of this kind

464
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Speaker 3: of cookie cut of thing of what Hollywood people are

465
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Speaker 3: supposed to say. And this is why we're getting this

466
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Speaker 3: big run of very bland interviews at the moment. Like

467
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Speaker 3: just seeing at the fact that Anne Hathaway is on

468
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Speaker 3: the cover of Vogue at the moment and no shade

469
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Speaker 3: anne Hathaway. I really love her, and I don't think

470
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Speaker 3: that every time a slub wants to promote a movie

471
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Speaker 3: they have to like open up a vein and let

472
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Speaker 3: all of their traum wall fall out. But I read

473
00:20:03,664 --> 00:20:05,224
Speaker 3: that cover thinking we would do it on the spill,

474
00:20:05,224 --> 00:20:07,784
Speaker 3: and like, the pictures are beautiful and the story is interesting,

475
00:20:08,264 --> 00:20:11,384
Speaker 3: but there's no big reveals, there's no personal information, there's

476
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Speaker 3: no real thought because I think they're so worried about

477
00:20:14,384 --> 00:20:17,344
Speaker 3: things getting picked up through clickbait. But the thing about

478
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Speaker 3: Charlie Samarone is that every time she almost does an interview,

479
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Speaker 3: her life is so different to so many people in Hollywood.

480
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Speaker 3: And this and the story of fame of NEPO babies

481
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Speaker 3: that we talk about so much that I think even

482
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Speaker 3: if she's not meaning to be shocking or irreverent, it

483
00:20:30,304 --> 00:20:33,104
Speaker 3: comes across that way. So she was born and initially

484
00:20:33,144 --> 00:20:35,064
Speaker 3: raised in South Africa, and took a bit about this

485
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Speaker 3: in this interview and also like the New York Times

486
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Speaker 3: every interview she's done. And she was primarily raised by

487
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Speaker 3: her mother, Girder, who she's still really really closely if

488
00:20:42,904 --> 00:20:44,824
Speaker 3: they like live together in Hollywood now and they're raising

489
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Speaker 3: her kids together.

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Speaker 2: Her first language also is Afrikaans, it's not English.

491
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Speaker 3: Yes, And she was always really beautiful growing up. She

492
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Speaker 3: talks about not really knowing what fame was and seeing

493
00:20:55,064 --> 00:20:57,504
Speaker 3: magazines around but thinking that people in the magazines were

494
00:20:57,544 --> 00:20:59,464
Speaker 3: just kind of like regular people because she was so

495
00:20:59,504 --> 00:21:02,544
Speaker 3: far removed from that Hollywood life. And then she ended

496
00:21:02,624 --> 00:21:04,984
Speaker 3: up in her teen years so beautiful that she was

497
00:21:05,024 --> 00:21:07,464
Speaker 3: able to like move overseas and model and then move

498
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Speaker 3: to America and kind of move into acting. But the

499
00:21:10,064 --> 00:21:12,224
Speaker 3: store there is like she was raised on this farm

500
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Speaker 3: in South Africa mostly by her mother, Gerda, and her

501
00:21:15,264 --> 00:21:21,464
Speaker 3: father was very aggressive, abusive, substance alcoholic, very abusive to

502
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Speaker 3: her and her mother. And what happened was on one

503
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Speaker 3: particular night, he was so enraged and attacking them. That

504
00:21:29,064 --> 00:21:31,424
Speaker 3: he was in their home in South Africa, and Charlie's

505
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Speaker 3: and her mum ran into a bedroom and shut the door,

506
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Speaker 3: and he took a gun and fired three bullets through

507
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Speaker 3: the door, and Shellie's throne always says like it's a

508
00:21:39,544 --> 00:21:43,584
Speaker 3: miracle that those bullets missed us. And so in self defense,

509
00:21:43,624 --> 00:21:46,384
Speaker 3: which is again why she wasn't taken to court or

510
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Speaker 3: anything like that, her mother, Gerda, picked up a gun

511
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Speaker 3: and shot him, and she has said in interviews her

512
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Speaker 3: mother that it was either shoot him or my daughter

513
00:21:53,464 --> 00:21:56,144
Speaker 3: was going to die. So Shelleie's like saw that happen,

514
00:21:56,304 --> 00:21:58,024
Speaker 3: and that's like kind of this anchor of her and

515
00:21:58,104 --> 00:22:01,304
Speaker 3: her mother and their story and this like life they've

516
00:22:01,304 --> 00:22:04,864
Speaker 3: built together, which is very much peppered by her fame,

517
00:22:04,944 --> 00:22:06,744
Speaker 3: but also more of like the life. What I thought

518
00:22:06,784 --> 00:22:09,504
Speaker 3: was more interesting than her fame is the life that

519
00:22:09,504 --> 00:22:12,024
Speaker 3: they've built, and that's I think she's so unfiltered and

520
00:22:12,104 --> 00:22:13,984
Speaker 3: she doesn't give a fuck, because why would she after

521
00:22:14,064 --> 00:22:15,064
Speaker 3: everything she's been through.

522
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Speaker 2: And I thought it was really interesting at the start

523
00:22:17,224 --> 00:22:19,504
Speaker 2: of the interview she talks a little bit about how

524
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Speaker 2: in that environment that she was in therapy wasn't a

525
00:22:23,864 --> 00:22:27,344
Speaker 2: thing like culturally, that was not something that she was

526
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Speaker 2: ever exposed to. And she said that the next.

527
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Speaker 3: Day she actually go to school. Yeah, exactly, she went

528
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Speaker 3: to school.

529
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Speaker 2: The next day after her mother shot her father.

530
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So I mean that is quite a way to be

532
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Speaker 2: brought up. And I think because we're so used to

533
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Speaker 2: seeing and again, I know we're saying this unfilded thing,

534
00:22:43,104 --> 00:22:46,144
Speaker 2: but this very polished and particular cause Charlie's is part

535
00:22:46,184 --> 00:22:50,704
Speaker 2: of that old guard of A listers rather than you know,

536
00:22:50,944 --> 00:22:54,184
Speaker 2: these younger A listers who are used to being a

537
00:22:54,264 --> 00:22:57,424
Speaker 2: little bit more open and honest. Even though Charlie's is

538
00:22:57,584 --> 00:23:00,224
Speaker 2: known for being honest in her interviews, this just felt

539
00:23:00,264 --> 00:23:05,344
Speaker 2: so much more raw. So one of the big headlines

540
00:23:05,344 --> 00:23:07,904
Speaker 2: that kind of everybody has picked up is that she

541
00:23:08,544 --> 00:23:10,304
Speaker 2: had sex with this twenty six year old.

542
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Speaker 1: I've probably had three one night stands in my entire life, okay,

543
00:23:15,264 --> 00:23:17,624
Speaker 1: but I did just recently fuck a twenty six year

544
00:23:17,664 --> 00:23:21,024
Speaker 1: old and it was really fucking amazing. Fuck yes, yes,

545
00:23:21,184 --> 00:23:23,264
Speaker 1: and I've never done that, and I was like, oh,

546
00:23:23,304 --> 00:23:23,944
Speaker 1: this is great.

547
00:23:24,144 --> 00:23:26,624
Speaker 3: Okay, let me just say that twenty six year old

548
00:23:26,664 --> 00:23:30,304
Speaker 3: is the luckiest fucking man walking on this goddamn planet.

549
00:23:30,344 --> 00:23:31,944
Speaker 3: He's walking different today. Now.

550
00:23:32,024 --> 00:23:36,184
Speaker 2: This particular line was picked up by Megan Kelly. Former

551
00:23:36,264 --> 00:23:40,904
Speaker 2: Fox News host. Meghan Kelly basically said about this. She

552
00:23:40,944 --> 00:23:43,824
Speaker 2: said that it was really vulgar and off putting, and

553
00:23:43,904 --> 00:23:46,744
Speaker 2: she actually thinks that Charlie's thereon is overcompensating and that

554
00:23:46,824 --> 00:23:47,544
Speaker 2: this never happened.

555
00:23:47,544 --> 00:23:50,704
Speaker 3: She's actually a lesbian. Oh wow, what a broad stroke

556
00:23:50,784 --> 00:23:51,064
Speaker 3: to take.

557
00:23:51,184 --> 00:23:53,144
Speaker 2: I know, it was like this really intense thing, and

558
00:23:53,144 --> 00:23:56,584
Speaker 2: I was like, just because a woman is enjoying sex

559
00:23:56,784 --> 00:23:59,504
Speaker 2: and talking to another woman about enjoying sex, she's a

560
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Speaker 2: single woman who is absolutely stunning.

561
00:24:03,104 --> 00:24:04,224
Speaker 3: No one bats an.

562
00:24:04,184 --> 00:24:08,344
Speaker 2: Eyelid for a man who's almost fifty having sex with

563
00:24:08,344 --> 00:24:09,824
Speaker 2: a twenty six year old and also just a one

564
00:24:09,864 --> 00:24:12,104
Speaker 2: night stand. It's not like she's dating the guy. She's

565
00:24:12,104 --> 00:24:14,064
Speaker 2: having a bit of fun with him. Leave the poor

566
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Speaker 2: woman alone. And the fact that Megan Kelly is like, oh,

567
00:24:18,344 --> 00:24:20,824
Speaker 2: I have a theory that she's actually a lesbian because

568
00:24:20,824 --> 00:24:21,864
Speaker 2: she's overcompensating.

569
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Speaker 3: Megan Kelly's got to get her views up. I know

570
00:24:24,024 --> 00:24:26,384
Speaker 3: she was like a proper journalist at one stage, but

571
00:24:26,504 --> 00:24:30,744
Speaker 3: she's now just an outrage clickchaser. Yeah, that's literally and

572
00:24:30,784 --> 00:24:33,064
Speaker 3: I don't say that about everyone whose opinions I disagree with,

573
00:24:33,144 --> 00:24:35,904
Speaker 3: but that is what she has deteriorated too, So that's

574
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Speaker 3: why she's doing those kind of headlines.

575
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's just really interesting to make you know

576
00:24:39,824 --> 00:24:42,064
Speaker 2: that movie Bombshells from twenty nineteen.

577
00:24:42,264 --> 00:24:44,144
Speaker 3: Yeah, Margo Robbie's in it too. Yeah.

578
00:24:44,184 --> 00:24:47,104
Speaker 2: So Charlie Sarner actually plays Megan Kelly in that.

579
00:24:47,064 --> 00:24:48,504
Speaker 3: Movie, and she's great in it.

580
00:24:48,624 --> 00:24:50,624
Speaker 2: She's so good in it. But it's so interesting that

581
00:24:51,064 --> 00:24:54,984
Speaker 2: she can have this comment about someone that played her.

582
00:24:54,984 --> 00:24:58,064
Speaker 2: It's kind of a weird inception moment.

583
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Speaker 3: And I guess some people would think, like, is Megan

584
00:25:00,184 --> 00:25:02,784
Speaker 3: Kelly coming for her because she played in that movie.

585
00:25:02,784 --> 00:25:04,904
Speaker 3: But I think if you consume Megan Kelly's work, which

586
00:25:04,904 --> 00:25:06,904
Speaker 3: I try not to but it does find me on

587
00:25:06,944 --> 00:25:10,864
Speaker 3: the internet, she is an equal opportunity hater. She would

588
00:25:10,984 --> 00:25:14,024
Speaker 3: be saying this about Charlie's regardless, because she hates anyone

589
00:25:14,064 --> 00:25:16,424
Speaker 3: who steps out of a very kind of cookie cutter,

590
00:25:16,624 --> 00:25:19,464
Speaker 3: prim very old school way of living.

591
00:25:20,024 --> 00:25:23,784
Speaker 2: I just don't really get, like, why are we shocked

592
00:25:23,824 --> 00:25:27,184
Speaker 2: that a woman is enjoying sex? And one of the

593
00:25:27,224 --> 00:25:32,384
Speaker 2: other things that Charlie's talks about is like advice, sex advice,

594
00:25:32,464 --> 00:25:34,664
Speaker 2: and you know, she's like, oh, well, I'm the last

595
00:25:34,664 --> 00:25:38,664
Speaker 2: person to give you sex advice. But Charlie's is like,

596
00:25:38,904 --> 00:25:41,504
Speaker 2: you need to look out for yourself, Like stop trying

597
00:25:41,544 --> 00:25:43,544
Speaker 2: to please men in the bedroom. If you would have

598
00:25:43,544 --> 00:25:46,144
Speaker 2: an orgasm, you need a vibrator, like go grab it,

599
00:25:46,184 --> 00:25:49,784
Speaker 2: and like you look after yourself. And I found that

600
00:25:49,904 --> 00:25:52,664
Speaker 2: just really refreshing, And I think that that's what an

601
00:25:52,664 --> 00:25:55,464
Speaker 2: older woman. That's the kind of advice that an older

602
00:25:55,464 --> 00:25:57,744
Speaker 2: woman should be given to a younger generation.

603
00:25:57,944 --> 00:26:00,504
Speaker 3: Like also on like that of like who we're listening

604
00:26:00,504 --> 00:26:02,424
Speaker 3: to for advice and who kind of gets to speak

605
00:26:02,424 --> 00:26:04,784
Speaker 3: on this stuff like it shouldn't be this way, but

606
00:26:04,904 --> 00:26:09,784
Speaker 3: like a very attractive woman who's very famous and adored

607
00:26:09,824 --> 00:26:12,504
Speaker 3: worldwide saying that, Like I hate to say it, but

608
00:26:12,744 --> 00:26:15,264
Speaker 3: people give more credence to that because a lot of

609
00:26:15,304 --> 00:26:17,464
Speaker 3: the time that other people are talking about like you know,

610
00:26:17,624 --> 00:26:20,184
Speaker 3: having sex with whoever they want, or not being in

611
00:26:20,224 --> 00:26:22,544
Speaker 3: a relationship or choosing to be single or not having

612
00:26:22,584 --> 00:26:25,224
Speaker 3: found the love of their life, if they're not conventionally attractive,

613
00:26:25,304 --> 00:26:27,504
Speaker 3: then the conversation is like, oh, they couldn't get anyone,

614
00:26:27,544 --> 00:26:29,384
Speaker 3: or who would want them? Or they're just angry and bitter.

615
00:26:29,624 --> 00:26:31,904
Speaker 3: But I think like, in a way, it's more interesting

616
00:26:31,904 --> 00:26:34,304
Speaker 3: with Charlie's saying it, because I mean she's more than

617
00:26:34,304 --> 00:26:36,584
Speaker 3: her looks. But like she did get into the industry.

618
00:26:36,624 --> 00:26:38,704
Speaker 3: She was like training to be a ballerina at the

619
00:26:38,744 --> 00:26:41,744
Speaker 3: Joffrey Ballet School, which is very prestigious, and she suffered

620
00:26:41,744 --> 00:26:44,104
Speaker 3: an injury and so then she moved more full time

621
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Speaker 3: into modeling, and she did get her first lot of

622
00:26:46,664 --> 00:26:50,944
Speaker 3: Hollywood roles for being beautiful and looking stunning on a

623
00:26:50,984 --> 00:26:53,104
Speaker 3: red carpet, looking stunnying in the background of a movie,

624
00:26:53,344 --> 00:26:53,664
Speaker 3: and she.

625
00:26:53,704 --> 00:26:55,504
Speaker 2: Kind of started the whole trope of you have to

626
00:26:55,544 --> 00:26:56,704
Speaker 2: get ugly to get an oscar.

627
00:26:57,144 --> 00:26:59,384
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean yeah, she very much like lent In too.

628
00:26:59,464 --> 00:27:01,544
Speaker 3: I remember the first time I saw Charlie is the

629
00:27:01,624 --> 00:27:03,304
Speaker 3: Road a picture of her. I have such a visceral

630
00:27:03,344 --> 00:27:05,504
Speaker 3: memory on it because it was when she was the

631
00:27:05,504 --> 00:27:07,504
Speaker 3: Oscars for The Cider House Rules, one of her first

632
00:27:07,544 --> 00:27:12,864
Speaker 3: big movies, and she's wearing that tangerine backless scout backless

633
00:27:12,904 --> 00:27:14,704
Speaker 3: all the way down and I was on your Child

634
00:27:14,704 --> 00:27:16,584
Speaker 3: at the time. But those photos went all over the

635
00:27:16,584 --> 00:27:19,824
Speaker 3: world of like, look at this movie star, and so

636
00:27:20,144 --> 00:27:22,904
Speaker 3: address cemented her as a movie star in saying that

637
00:27:22,944 --> 00:27:26,064
Speaker 3: though pretty only gets you like it gets you into

638
00:27:26,064 --> 00:27:27,864
Speaker 3: the industry, but there's a lot of pretty people that

639
00:27:27,904 --> 00:27:29,944
Speaker 3: go into that industry and then don't have the success

640
00:27:29,944 --> 00:27:31,744
Speaker 3: that she's had. Like I said, she's been in so

641
00:27:31,824 --> 00:27:35,024
Speaker 3: many huge franchises like Fast and Furious, but other you know,

642
00:27:35,064 --> 00:27:37,344
Speaker 3: other big franchises. But more than that, she's also done

643
00:27:37,344 --> 00:27:39,464
Speaker 3: like a lot of comedic roles. She won her oscar

644
00:27:39,504 --> 00:27:42,864
Speaker 3: from Monster in two thousand and four. Yes, and she's

645
00:27:42,864 --> 00:27:46,384
Speaker 3: incredible in that, And yes, she had to get ugly,

646
00:27:46,544 --> 00:27:47,904
Speaker 3: the very traditional.

647
00:27:47,504 --> 00:27:49,784
Speaker 2: It's kind of also in that same vein of what

648
00:27:50,104 --> 00:27:53,544
Speaker 2: Margo Robbie did for Eytonia. She kind of like stripped

649
00:27:53,544 --> 00:27:55,944
Speaker 2: things back and that's when people take them quote unquote seriously.

650
00:27:55,984 --> 00:27:57,264
Speaker 2: And I know that sounds really silly.

651
00:27:57,064 --> 00:27:59,704
Speaker 3: But she's well, it does. It does, I guess make

652
00:27:59,744 --> 00:28:02,224
Speaker 3: people think of this idea of like, oh, look, she

653
00:28:02,264 --> 00:28:05,504
Speaker 3: made herself into this other person and so you're more

654
00:28:05,544 --> 00:28:07,224
Speaker 3: likely to get an oscar for that. But she's great

655
00:28:07,224 --> 00:28:07,744
Speaker 3: in that movie.

656
00:28:07,824 --> 00:28:09,864
Speaker 2: She's great, and that meets a great movie. One of

657
00:28:09,864 --> 00:28:12,864
Speaker 2: the other things that I love. One of the other

658
00:28:12,904 --> 00:28:15,584
Speaker 2: lines she talks about, like fetishes in the bedroom. Yeah,

659
00:28:16,104 --> 00:28:18,344
Speaker 2: she says, I'm not thrown by weird shit. I'm into

660
00:28:18,344 --> 00:28:20,944
Speaker 2: weird shit, except maybe the nosing and the no thing

661
00:28:21,064 --> 00:28:23,224
Speaker 2: she's referring to as a guy asked her to make

662
00:28:23,264 --> 00:28:24,224
Speaker 2: out with his nose.

663
00:28:24,704 --> 00:28:27,504
Speaker 3: That's just to me not very sexy. I understand a

664
00:28:27,504 --> 00:28:28,984
Speaker 3: lot of the things that people in to. I totally

665
00:28:29,024 --> 00:28:31,264
Speaker 3: get the feet being, I totally get other stuff. The

666
00:28:31,424 --> 00:28:33,344
Speaker 3: nose making out is a new one.

667
00:28:33,744 --> 00:28:36,304
Speaker 2: Yeah, she was was quite funny saying her talk about that.

668
00:28:36,624 --> 00:28:38,864
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it was just nice. It was it's like

669
00:28:38,864 --> 00:28:41,224
Speaker 3: almost really cute and placid, like what you do with

670
00:28:41,224 --> 00:28:43,024
Speaker 3: like a teenager if you were like too scared to

671
00:28:43,104 --> 00:28:44,024
Speaker 3: like anything else.

672
00:28:44,064 --> 00:28:45,264
Speaker 2: It's kind of like soaking in.

673
00:28:45,464 --> 00:28:45,624
Speaker 4: Yeah.

674
00:28:45,944 --> 00:28:49,944
Speaker 2: I don't know, No, don't care, but you know, it

675
00:28:50,064 --> 00:28:53,264
Speaker 2: was really refreshing to me to hear her talk about

676
00:28:53,744 --> 00:28:57,504
Speaker 2: sex relationships and just being really open about it, and

677
00:28:57,904 --> 00:29:01,624
Speaker 2: particularly as a woman who is a single mother. She's

678
00:29:01,624 --> 00:29:04,984
Speaker 2: got two kids who are adopted, who she's raised on

679
00:29:05,024 --> 00:29:07,744
Speaker 2: her own, and it's just refreshing to hear her talk

680
00:29:07,784 --> 00:29:10,664
Speaker 2: about a life where she is happy being single. She's

681
00:29:10,664 --> 00:29:13,864
Speaker 2: happy to just have sex with men and them not

682
00:29:13,944 --> 00:29:16,664
Speaker 2: be in her home. Yeah, and being a mother to

683
00:29:16,704 --> 00:29:17,344
Speaker 2: her children.

684
00:29:17,584 --> 00:29:19,944
Speaker 1: You don't quite realize until you have kids. And I'm

685
00:29:19,944 --> 00:29:22,624
Speaker 1: not saying that it replaces one love with the other,

686
00:29:23,304 --> 00:29:27,304
Speaker 1: but it is such a tremendous love that I do

687
00:29:27,344 --> 00:29:29,824
Speaker 1: not miss love. You know, I might miss sex.

688
00:29:30,744 --> 00:29:34,744
Speaker 3: Fair, that's fair. My vibrator is only doing some much. Yeah, no,

689
00:29:34,944 --> 00:29:36,344
Speaker 3: live the vibrator is good.

690
00:29:36,424 --> 00:29:40,064
Speaker 1: And I'm having I listen, I'm having, I'm having. I'm

691
00:29:40,144 --> 00:29:41,984
Speaker 1: having the kind of sex I never had in my

692
00:29:42,064 --> 00:29:45,504
Speaker 1: twenties or in my thirties. Yes, and so that part

693
00:29:45,544 --> 00:29:49,464
Speaker 1: has been really exciting. But I'm not missing relation, like

694
00:29:49,504 --> 00:29:53,104
Speaker 1: a relationship. I'm not missing the partnership that I think

695
00:29:53,104 --> 00:29:54,744
Speaker 1: people think you miss when you're me.

696
00:29:55,184 --> 00:29:57,104
Speaker 3: That's what I really loved is that there's a few

697
00:29:57,144 --> 00:30:00,024
Speaker 3: different kind of like elements to this story. One is

698
00:30:00,024 --> 00:30:04,544
Speaker 3: that I do find it really like helpful and refreshing

699
00:30:04,584 --> 00:30:08,864
Speaker 3: when celebrity women in particular live outside the norm in

700
00:30:08,904 --> 00:30:12,584
Speaker 3: some ways, whether that be like never getting married, never

701
00:30:12,664 --> 00:30:15,944
Speaker 3: having children, adopting children as a single mother, because I

702
00:30:15,984 --> 00:30:19,304
Speaker 3: just think like celebrity culture is still so heightened that

703
00:30:19,744 --> 00:30:22,224
Speaker 3: whether you agree with this or not, it does sometimes

704
00:30:22,264 --> 00:30:25,104
Speaker 3: make it feel better for normal women to see these

705
00:30:25,104 --> 00:30:26,904
Speaker 3: women who are held up as like the pinnacles of

706
00:30:26,904 --> 00:30:29,784
Speaker 3: society doing the same thing as you and not just

707
00:30:29,864 --> 00:30:33,024
Speaker 3: living one particular life. On the other side of that,

708
00:30:33,264 --> 00:30:36,704
Speaker 3: it can be upsetting watching it because a lot of

709
00:30:36,704 --> 00:30:40,144
Speaker 3: these celebrity women who talk about being single mothers, which

710
00:30:40,624 --> 00:30:43,144
Speaker 3: I'm totally on board with a single mother thing completely,

711
00:30:43,384 --> 00:30:45,584
Speaker 3: but I also think a lot of that comes from

712
00:30:45,624 --> 00:30:48,064
Speaker 3: having a huge amount of money to being able to

713
00:30:48,064 --> 00:30:50,264
Speaker 3: not just support your children, but if you go down

714
00:30:50,304 --> 00:30:53,224
Speaker 3: the surrogacy route, even adoption can be very expensive and

715
00:30:53,264 --> 00:30:55,864
Speaker 3: difficult in the fees then and knowing that you have

716
00:30:55,944 --> 00:30:58,744
Speaker 3: the money to raise multiple children, so it's almost as

717
00:30:58,784 --> 00:31:02,384
Speaker 3: given take. It's like beautiful to see but also unattainable. Yeah,

718
00:31:02,424 --> 00:31:03,224
Speaker 3: I think I.

719
00:31:03,224 --> 00:31:07,384
Speaker 2: Don't love the phrase, oh, she's this struggling single mom,

720
00:31:07,384 --> 00:31:10,224
Speaker 2: because she's not. And I don't think she ever says that. No, No,

721
00:31:10,624 --> 00:31:12,944
Speaker 2: I don't think she's like, oh, I'm a struggling single mom.

722
00:31:13,064 --> 00:31:17,264
Speaker 2: She's not trying to relate to people who are not

723
00:31:17,304 --> 00:31:20,944
Speaker 2: getting any support from fathers of their children and are

724
00:31:21,064 --> 00:31:23,944
Speaker 2: working three jobs and trying to put food on the table.

725
00:31:23,984 --> 00:31:26,824
Speaker 2: She's not relating to that. I think she's more talking

726
00:31:26,864 --> 00:31:30,824
Speaker 2: about raising children on her own as opposed to in

727
00:31:30,864 --> 00:31:32,424
Speaker 2: a partnership.

728
00:31:31,984 --> 00:31:36,424
Speaker 3: Yes, and for her daughters, being the sole caregiver, love giver,

729
00:31:36,664 --> 00:31:40,584
Speaker 3: decision maker, disciplinarian, everything in one kind of. And I

730
00:31:40,624 --> 00:31:42,344
Speaker 3: know that her mother is really close to her and

731
00:31:42,704 --> 00:31:45,184
Speaker 3: they have she's talked about almost like raising the children together.

732
00:31:45,184 --> 00:31:46,824
Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, she's the single mom,

733
00:31:46,864 --> 00:31:48,624
Speaker 3: like she's the one on the front line. And I

734
00:31:48,704 --> 00:31:50,904
Speaker 3: do love when she speaks that way, particularly in this

735
00:31:50,904 --> 00:31:53,984
Speaker 3: interview I thought was really emotional where she talks about

736
00:31:54,504 --> 00:31:57,304
Speaker 3: being enough for her children and like knowing she's enough,

737
00:31:57,304 --> 00:31:59,544
Speaker 3: and she's like maybe one day they'll tell a different story,

738
00:31:59,624 --> 00:32:02,904
Speaker 3: and they can. But she also just has this home

739
00:32:02,944 --> 00:32:04,624
Speaker 3: filled with love, And I just don't think that you

740
00:32:04,704 --> 00:32:08,344
Speaker 3: hear single mother stories like that that much. Yeah, And

741
00:32:08,384 --> 00:32:10,744
Speaker 3: I really not relate to it because I don't have kids,

742
00:32:10,744 --> 00:32:12,464
Speaker 3: But I was raised by a single mother who raised

743
00:32:12,464 --> 00:32:16,104
Speaker 3: four children, and so many people when they're being faced

744
00:32:16,104 --> 00:32:18,304
Speaker 3: with being a single mother will ask me about that

745
00:32:18,344 --> 00:32:20,464
Speaker 3: because I guess they see like my siblings and I

746
00:32:20,544 --> 00:32:23,664
Speaker 3: been like really happy, really close, really like well adjusted people.

747
00:32:24,144 --> 00:32:26,024
Speaker 3: Some of us are successful, some of us are on

748
00:32:26,064 --> 00:32:28,464
Speaker 3: a podcast, so less so. But this thing and they

749
00:32:28,464 --> 00:32:30,824
Speaker 3: always say, like, was it okay? What was it like?

750
00:32:30,864 --> 00:32:33,104
Speaker 3: And I'm always like, it's obviously is a lot harder,

751
00:32:33,424 --> 00:32:35,904
Speaker 3: especially if you have this celebrity money, But I think

752
00:32:35,944 --> 00:32:40,464
Speaker 3: you can still feel like completely loved and whole and

753
00:32:40,544 --> 00:32:43,664
Speaker 3: like your family doesn't feel like it's missing an element.

754
00:32:43,744 --> 00:32:45,584
Speaker 3: And that's why I love when I hear Shellie's talking

755
00:32:45,584 --> 00:32:48,184
Speaker 3: about that, and also talking about the fact like not

756
00:32:48,224 --> 00:32:49,984
Speaker 3: having a father and husband in the house. There's a

757
00:32:50,024 --> 00:32:53,064
Speaker 3: line in that podcast where she says, the joy of

758
00:32:53,104 --> 00:32:56,864
Speaker 3: living completely the way you want to live, and shaping

759
00:32:56,864 --> 00:32:58,864
Speaker 3: your life the way you want to live, and being

760
00:32:58,864 --> 00:33:01,424
Speaker 3: a parent exactly the way you want I don't think

761
00:33:01,464 --> 00:33:03,824
Speaker 3: that's a that's a light thing to throw away. Like

762
00:33:03,904 --> 00:33:07,384
Speaker 3: what she sounds like almost like wish fulfillment. I feel

763
00:33:07,424 --> 00:33:09,104
Speaker 3: like for a lot of people. And I really relate

764
00:33:09,144 --> 00:33:12,824
Speaker 3: to when she says growing up in like mostly with

765
00:33:12,824 --> 00:33:15,664
Speaker 3: a single mother, but like with an abusive father, because

766
00:33:15,704 --> 00:33:18,224
Speaker 3: I grew up exactly the same way, and having like

767
00:33:18,304 --> 00:33:21,024
Speaker 3: her mum take her out of that situation, and then

768
00:33:21,544 --> 00:33:24,504
Speaker 3: being an adult and shaping your own life. It's almost

769
00:33:24,504 --> 00:33:27,064
Speaker 3: like being alone in a happy home. It is the

770
00:33:27,064 --> 00:33:29,144
Speaker 3: fairy tale because you grew up in a different way,

771
00:33:29,304 --> 00:33:31,744
Speaker 3: and she chose that. Yeah, and that idea that I'm

772
00:33:31,824 --> 00:33:35,264
Speaker 3: choosing this life when thinking that there wasn't a choice.

773
00:33:35,424 --> 00:33:37,584
Speaker 3: So I think that that, like, and everyone's getting all

774
00:33:37,664 --> 00:33:39,664
Speaker 3: right up over the sex stuff, and like that is interesting.

775
00:33:39,704 --> 00:33:41,384
Speaker 3: Love that for her, hate that she made up with

776
00:33:41,384 --> 00:33:44,224
Speaker 3: a nose, Love everything else she's doing. But I also

777
00:33:44,264 --> 00:33:47,504
Speaker 3: think that the truly inspiring, groundbreaking bit is a choosing

778
00:33:47,544 --> 00:33:50,104
Speaker 3: to be alone and choosing to be single with children. Yeah,

779
00:33:50,264 --> 00:33:51,784
Speaker 3: that's the bit, Laura.

780
00:33:51,824 --> 00:33:54,264
Speaker 2: I think that. I mean, that's really beautiful. Thank you

781
00:33:54,344 --> 00:33:57,424
Speaker 2: for sharing that. I think that that really is a

782
00:33:57,464 --> 00:34:00,624
Speaker 2: big takeaway from this. And the other thing that I

783
00:34:00,664 --> 00:34:02,384
Speaker 2: really love is just like maybe my kids will tell

784
00:34:02,384 --> 00:34:04,824
Speaker 2: a different story. And that's I mean, I think about

785
00:34:04,824 --> 00:34:07,344
Speaker 2: this constantly. I think about constantly how I'm going to

786
00:34:07,464 --> 00:34:08,664
Speaker 2: fuck up my kids.

787
00:34:08,744 --> 00:34:10,064
Speaker 3: Speaking from the outside, but I think a lot of

788
00:34:10,144 --> 00:34:12,464
Speaker 3: parents and worry. I worry. I say, the fact that

789
00:34:12,504 --> 00:34:14,824
Speaker 3: you're even thinking about that makes you ten steps ahead

790
00:34:14,824 --> 00:34:16,784
Speaker 3: of so many other parents, So you're okay because what

791
00:34:16,824 --> 00:34:17,624
Speaker 3: everyone thinks about that.

792
00:34:17,664 --> 00:34:19,744
Speaker 2: But it was such again for me, I was like,

793
00:34:19,784 --> 00:34:22,304
Speaker 2: that's a relief. Maybe they will. I will do my best.

794
00:34:22,344 --> 00:34:24,344
Speaker 2: I will, you know, love them the best way that

795
00:34:24,424 --> 00:34:27,824
Speaker 2: I know how, and if that's the story that they

796
00:34:27,864 --> 00:34:31,104
Speaker 2: want to tell, that they are going to have their

797
00:34:31,144 --> 00:34:34,664
Speaker 2: own lives. Yeah, And that I thought was really like poignant.

798
00:34:34,784 --> 00:34:37,664
Speaker 2: But yeah, that's a really nice insight into the single

799
00:34:37,664 --> 00:34:40,784
Speaker 2: mother thing because I did for me that like definitely

800
00:34:40,824 --> 00:34:44,624
Speaker 2: resonated because she was like, I chose this, and I'm

801
00:34:44,624 --> 00:34:46,424
Speaker 2: a single mom, but not in the same way that

802
00:34:46,464 --> 00:34:47,544
Speaker 2: my mum was a single mom.

803
00:34:47,784 --> 00:34:49,784
Speaker 3: Yeah, because she had the control over it. And I

804
00:34:49,784 --> 00:34:51,704
Speaker 3: love how she also talks about the fact that she

805
00:34:51,744 --> 00:34:53,784
Speaker 3: would never want a man to come in and move

806
00:34:53,784 --> 00:34:57,104
Speaker 3: into this beautiful, happy, loving ecosystem that she and her

807
00:34:57,104 --> 00:34:59,704
Speaker 3: two daughters have. But it's also not this whole thing

808
00:34:59,704 --> 00:35:01,664
Speaker 3: of like and again, if you are like man hating

809
00:35:01,744 --> 00:35:04,064
Speaker 3: or whatever, also totally fine and justified, especially in this

810
00:35:04,104 --> 00:35:06,064
Speaker 3: recent environment. But she does talk about the fact that

811
00:35:06,304 --> 00:35:10,024
Speaker 3: life stage has changed and like maybe in ten years

812
00:35:10,104 --> 00:35:12,624
Speaker 3: or so, over twenty years, when her daughters have moved

813
00:35:12,664 --> 00:35:15,344
Speaker 3: out and she's like in her sixties and seventies, that

814
00:35:15,384 --> 00:35:17,704
Speaker 3: she might change her mind and want to share space

815
00:35:18,104 --> 00:35:20,104
Speaker 3: with a partner. But it feels like something that might

816
00:35:20,144 --> 00:35:23,104
Speaker 3: come along, not the end game. Yeah, And I'm also

817
00:35:23,144 --> 00:35:24,744
Speaker 3: going to say. The other thing is like people are

818
00:35:24,744 --> 00:35:27,304
Speaker 3: shocked by Shelly's thron they don't pity her in the

819
00:35:27,344 --> 00:35:29,944
Speaker 3: same way that they would still pity someone like jenniferannerstant

820
00:35:29,984 --> 00:35:32,584
Speaker 3: And I do feel like that's also feels a little

821
00:35:32,664 --> 00:35:35,944
Speaker 3: uneven because because she's got children, it's almost like people like, oh, few,

822
00:35:36,024 --> 00:35:38,104
Speaker 3: like she's got one thing, you know, she's got that

823
00:35:38,224 --> 00:35:40,104
Speaker 3: one thing, so like we'll pity her on this and

824
00:35:40,104 --> 00:35:42,344
Speaker 3: not on that. So it's not a perfect scenario. But

825
00:35:42,464 --> 00:35:44,984
Speaker 3: I did really find this is this interview and every

826
00:35:44,984 --> 00:35:46,744
Speaker 3: other interview because she's done about this, because she does

827
00:35:46,784 --> 00:35:48,584
Speaker 3: a lot of interviews about this. She speaks about it

828
00:35:48,584 --> 00:35:51,144
Speaker 3: all the time, but it's like it's not as salacious

829
00:35:51,144 --> 00:35:52,824
Speaker 3: as some other things, so doesn't get picked up as

830
00:35:52,904 --> 00:35:55,184
Speaker 3: much as other celebrity interviews.

831
00:35:55,184 --> 00:35:58,904
Speaker 2: But now I think it's important to like bring it up. Yes,

832
00:35:58,944 --> 00:36:00,984
Speaker 2: the sex stuff is fun, and like great, it's also

833
00:36:00,984 --> 00:36:01,304
Speaker 2: to be fun.

834
00:36:01,304 --> 00:36:02,984
Speaker 3: I would listen to her talk about sex all day

835
00:36:02,984 --> 00:36:04,944
Speaker 3: and night. But yes, I feel like she does in

836
00:36:04,984 --> 00:36:05,544
Speaker 3: her free time.

837
00:36:05,664 --> 00:36:07,584
Speaker 2: I one hundred percent agree with you. That is something

838
00:36:07,584 --> 00:36:10,544
Speaker 2: that it actually really struck me. That was to me

839
00:36:10,624 --> 00:36:14,264
Speaker 2: a lot more interesting than the sex stuff. But you know, yeah, no,

840
00:36:14,504 --> 00:36:15,504
Speaker 2: I love the sex stuff too.

841
00:36:15,624 --> 00:36:17,304
Speaker 3: It's all great. And we'll link the four call her

842
00:36:17,344 --> 00:36:19,064
Speaker 3: Daddy into you in the show notes and I would

843
00:36:19,104 --> 00:36:21,024
Speaker 3: just say, yeah, consume more of Charlie's throw and I

844
00:36:21,064 --> 00:36:23,664
Speaker 3: looked forward to her daughters growing up and becoming the

845
00:36:23,704 --> 00:36:26,064
Speaker 3: NEPO babies that we want them to be. Enjoining there

846
00:36:26,184 --> 00:36:27,824
Speaker 3: to bring it back full circle to the top of

847
00:36:27,824 --> 00:36:29,944
Speaker 3: this episode and just then we can talk about their

848
00:36:29,944 --> 00:36:30,384
Speaker 3: love list.

849
00:36:30,624 --> 00:36:32,384
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