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Speaker 1: Jesse, who do you think Luke would choose? Should we

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Speaker 1: get him, get him into the studio and ask him.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, I find the word choose so loed.

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Speaker 1: I would expect and hope that he would choose you.

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Speaker 2: Really, of course, Hello, and welcome to MoMA Mia out

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Speaker 2: loud and to our Friday show, where you will hear

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Speaker 2: not one newsy thing, no newsy things. No, I just

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Speaker 2: that's not what we do on Fridays. Fridays. We just

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Speaker 1: I've got some decluttering news shortly. That's exciting.

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Speaker 2: It's Friday, the thirtieth of May. My name is hollywayen Wright.

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Speaker 1: My name's Mia Friedman, and I am Jesse Stevens.

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Speaker 2: And on today's show, brooksit, Bexit, whatever you call the

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Speaker 2: growing family in the Beckham family, there are only one

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Speaker 2: very visible part of what's being declared an epidemic of

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Speaker 2: family estrangement.

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Speaker 1: That's very funny. Brox It Broxit, brox it bes it

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Speaker 2: Family sadness is not funny. I'm sorry, but Broxit bes

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Speaker 2: it is funny, Yes, for reasons, so we will get

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Speaker 2: to for sure. Plus a weekend of recommendations, including a

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Speaker 2: new shows for your TV binge list. Our best and

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Speaker 2: worst include a non Bump, a dog fight, and a

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Speaker 2: Friday Night Dinner. But first me a freedman. Bring us

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Speaker 2: that decluttering news.

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Speaker 1: Oh well. In breaking decluttering news, you might remember Marie

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Speaker 1: Condo revolutionized decluttering where she said, if it doesn't spark

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Speaker 1: joy when you hold it or think of it, chuck it.

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Speaker 1: But now there's a new question to ask yourself when

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Speaker 1: you're deciding whether or not to keep stuff. According to

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Speaker 1: a new organizational expert, Amanda Johnson, she says, ask yourself this,

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Speaker 1: if it was covered in poo, would you keep it?

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Speaker 4: Oh? This is just bad. This is terrible advice. It

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Speaker 4: depends on the cost of the thing. And then they're like, oh,

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Speaker 4: it tells you how much you need it. Okay, Well,

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Speaker 4: if there was pooh on my toothbrush, I would throw

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Speaker 4: it out. Yeah, doesn't mean I don't need a toothbrush.

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Speaker 4: I would replace it because the cost of replacing the

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Speaker 4: toothbrush isn't a lot. If there was pooh on my couch,

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Speaker 4: I would wash the couch.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's very true, like if there was pool

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Speaker 1: on the baby, wash the baby, clean the poo. But

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Speaker 1: the reason that it's smart, and also, you know.

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Speaker 3: What else matters is how much pooh?

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Speaker 1: And who does and who who?

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Speaker 2: Many questions about this philosophy, you really do.

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Speaker 1: But toothbrushes and couches aren't decluttering things. The necessities. You

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Speaker 3: An example an umbrella.

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Speaker 1: She says that when you're deciding whether you need to

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Speaker 1: same is not true about things like i'm brellas or

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Speaker 1: like your ab roller, remember ab rollers, you're probably too young,

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Speaker 1: But your ab roller, that was a big thing that

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Speaker 3: Is that there are just better questions to ask.

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Speaker 1: I think it fun.

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Speaker 3: A better question is would I pay a move to

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Speaker 4: Is you look at your ab roller and you go

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Speaker 4: That is a across the board, something no one wants.

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Speaker 2: They are but than us, So I always choose you.

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Speaker 2: These are the words that Brooklyn Beckham posted about his

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Speaker 1: There are role models.

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Speaker 2: I love that anyway, a quick catch up. The Beckham's,

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Speaker 2: It's been a big part of their brand. Right, David

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Speaker 3: Years and they have four kids.

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Speaker 2: They have four kids, right, Harper is the youngest, and

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Speaker 2: then they have three boys, and Brooklyn is the oldest.

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Speaker 2: And let's remember that when Brooklyn was born, back in

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Speaker 2: Brooklyn in the culture since he was literally born.

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Speaker 4: Right, And he's tried to sort of have a career

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Speaker 1: Jesse, you know that he's a hot source entrepreneur. He is.

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Speaker 4: I don't like, he's tried a few things, and of

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Speaker 4: course I would definitely if it was covered in pooh,

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Speaker 2: But anyway, he moved to America three years ago when

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Speaker 2: Beckhams have lived in America at times, and Beckham's senior David,

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Speaker 2: M But anytime you see the Beckhams in public, they

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Speaker 2: post about it. Any big event, Mother's Day, love a

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Speaker 1: They're very family people.

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Speaker 2: They are massively family people. But ever since Brooklyn and

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Speaker 2: Well, it's like, we really want to blame the daughter

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Speaker 2: blame Nicola for Brooklyn falling out? Well, yes, and it

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Speaker 2: And everybody got their antennae up about it. When, of

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Speaker 2: course Beckham had his fiftieth birthday, which was a few

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Speaker 2: Mess Brooklyn and Nickel, none of that. None of that,

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Speaker 1: And no post on Brooklyn's grid, No dad, happy birthday.

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Speaker 2: As we've described him before, he is a wife guy.

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Speaker 2: He posts constantly about Nichola and how much he loves her,

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Speaker 2: and he posts about her family. He recently did a

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Speaker 2: in tabloids speak, Brooklyn broke his silence by posting some

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Speaker 2: lovely pictures of his wife, along with the words I

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Speaker 2: always choose you, and that of course has been forensically

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Speaker 2: examined to mean one thing between my family and my wife.

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Speaker 2: It's my wife every time. Typical responses to this in

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Speaker 2: the many, many, many, many, many many comments are if

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Speaker 2: water and any loving wife should never make her husband

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Speaker 2: But if he was any sort of man, he should

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Speaker 2: have said, don't make me choose. The thing is, this

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Speaker 2: isn't just a Beckham or Windsor thing. Time magazine recently

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Speaker 2: That's a lot and here in Australia. Steven Alone recently

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Speaker 2: of parental estrangement and said that often this kind of

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Speaker 2: In these situations, siblings have to make a decision about

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Speaker 1: Jesse, who do you think Luca would choose? Should get

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Speaker 1: Let's get him into the studio and ask him.

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, I find the word choose so loaded.

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Speaker 3: I keep thinking, is there any context in.

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Speaker 2: Which he didn't mean what he mean? Yes?

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Speaker 3: And is there a way that that could just.

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Speaker 4: Be, you know, a show of loyalty to his wife

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Speaker 4: that isn't about ranking people.

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Speaker 1: It's a throwown And I.

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Speaker 4: Can't imagine Luca ever saying that to me.

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Speaker 1: But I also I am on Instagram.

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Speaker 2: In fact, it's kind of.

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Speaker 1: Love it. In all seriousness, I would expect and hope

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Speaker 1: that he would choose you, really, of course. I mean

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Speaker 1: I've said many times that when he was little, I

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Speaker 1: remember coming home from the hospital and holding him and crying,

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Speaker 1: and Jason was like, why are you crying? And one

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Speaker 1: day he'll love someone more than he loves me, And

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Speaker 1: he met Jesse and he does, and now he's got

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Speaker 1: Luna and he does. But he's not I see it

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Speaker 1: in terms of leaderboards, but I'm like, that brings me joy.

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Speaker 1: What I didn't realize then, even though it was a

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Speaker 1: bit of a wrench when he you know, when he

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Speaker 1: moved out and married you and all of that, and

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Speaker 1: not that it was you, but that loss. There was

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Speaker 1: definitely lost and grief, but there was also incredible joy

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Speaker 1: And that was the way it was meant to be.

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Speaker 2: Right about if he'd have fallen in love and married

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Speaker 1: Oh fuck that bitch.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, can you imagine? And then it's like any potential grandchildren,

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Speaker 4: there's this ocean between you. Like I think that is

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Speaker 4: to presume that there's any sort of hierarchy in how

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Speaker 2: Like who you are in that house, or your dad

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Speaker 2: isn't good for the world. She wraps it many many, many,

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Speaker 2: many layers of plastic bags. You know how office fridges

431
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Speaker 2: away full of passel and so you can't see what's

432
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Speaker 2: in there, so it's not tempting and interesting. Or you

433
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Speaker 2: make your butterer bowls look really ugly, just like really

434
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Speaker 2: ugly them up so that people are.

435
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Speaker 4: Like, maybe your lunch looks too good? That's so true,

436
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Speaker 4: or in all the plastic bags, maybe you can. Like

437
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Speaker 4: I was finger painting with Luna the other day, and

438
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Speaker 4: I'm imagining you put finger paint on it, but it's

439
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Speaker 4: like really good paint and gets like literally red yes

440
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Speaker 4: or brown paint.

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Speaker 2: But do you steal money in the diet like that?

442
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Speaker 4: And then they walk around the office and it's like, well,

443
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Speaker 4: I know you still my lunch.

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Speaker 2: Yes, But my.

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Speaker 1: Issue though, is what do you do when you find

446
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Speaker 1: out who it is? Then it becomes really complicated. So

447
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Speaker 1: then literally what do you do? What if it's your mate?

448
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Speaker 1: What if it's someone you really like who's steals?

449
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Speaker 2: Does steal a lunch? Like not by mist Like it's

450
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Speaker 2: understandable to steal a yogurt by mistake? Yeah?

451
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Speaker 1: Five times?

452
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Speaker 2: Five times somebody's butta bowl do not list?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you've got to hide it in the CRISPA.

454
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Speaker 4: I think that you've got to like put it somewhere,

455
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Speaker 4: Maybe put it in a box that says do not

456
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Speaker 4: touch I'll explode or.

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Speaker 1: Something out loud as what would you do next? Share

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Speaker 1: your thoughts in the momamea out loud Facebook group. Also

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Speaker 1: share any dilemmas that you want our help with in

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Speaker 1: the Facebook group or email us at out loud at

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Speaker 1: momamea dot com dot au.

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Speaker 2: Vibes ideas at Atosphere, something casual, something fun.

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Speaker 1: This is my best recommendation.

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Speaker 2: It's Friday, and I know you're hanging for our recommendations

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Speaker 2: for your weekend. What would you do all weekend if

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Speaker 2: it wasn't for what outloud tells you to do? So

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Speaker 2: Jesse Stevens, do you have a recommendation?

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Speaker 4: I do, and it's not new. It was actually released

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Speaker 4: in twenty twenty one. But I have had this list.

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Speaker 4: I've actually been keeping a list in my phone of

471
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Speaker 4: all the recommendations I get Right and Local was away

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Speaker 4: last week, which meant that all the shows and the

473
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Speaker 4: movies that I've been wanting to watch that he would

474
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Speaker 4: never want to watch. I went some time that happened.

475
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Speaker 4: I kind of love that I had full rain over

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Speaker 4: the TV and.

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Speaker 1: Oh you're both so independent.

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Speaker 4: I tried like five things and I just went, Now,

479
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Speaker 4: I'm not wasting my free week on this crap. This

480
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Speaker 4: show got me. Okay, it's called Scenes from a Marriage

481
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Speaker 4: on Max.

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Speaker 1: You just believe me. There's a couple, nothing can hurt you,

483
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Speaker 1: and then you gradually started to realize that actually anything

484
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Speaker 1: can hurt you.

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Speaker 4: We're gonna sit here and we're going to talk as

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Speaker 4: long as it takes.

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Speaker 1: Okay, but there's nothing left to say.

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Speaker 2: What is this?

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Speaker 1: What is this thing where we can't talk? This is

490
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Speaker 1: a pleas Do you know how long I've wanted to leave?

491
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna go out of my mind.

492
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Speaker 1: If I don't leave right now, right now, like right

493
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Speaker 1: this second. If I don't leave right now, I know

494
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Speaker 1: I'm never going to did either.

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Speaker 4: If you guys watch this at the time, No, it

496
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Speaker 4: was during COVID, so it's about four years ago. Bell.

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Speaker 1: Well, it wasn't that movie about marriage without him Driver

498
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Speaker 1: and Scarlet Your Hair.

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Speaker 2: No, that was called something very eat Marriage Story.

500
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Speaker 4: Yes, No, it wasn't that. It's got Jessica Chastain and

501
00:24:14,141 --> 00:24:16,621
Speaker 4: Oscar Isaac in it, and it was nominated for a

502
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Speaker 4: million Emmys and stuff, and it's based on a Swedish

503
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Speaker 4: series that was made years ago. It's got a really

504
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Speaker 4: good rating and stuff. But basically it's six episodes, so

505
00:24:26,982 --> 00:24:30,182
Speaker 4: not too long, and most of it takes place inside

506
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Speaker 4: one house and they're like these long scenes about the

507
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Speaker 4: breakdown of a marriage, and it goes over a few years,

508
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Speaker 4: but the conversations, the dynamics, the tension, the way that

509
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Speaker 4: everything that is said has heard a certain way, the

510
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Speaker 4: decision of whether or not to have more children. It

511
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Speaker 4: was unlike anything I'd seen before, and it made me

512
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Speaker 4: you know, how people seem to be getting divorced for

513
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Speaker 4: a really long time, Like your friend will be going

514
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Speaker 4: through a divorce and three years later it's still happening,

515
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Speaker 4: and I'm like, I don't understand. Is it not just

516
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Speaker 4: a thing that happens. Wow, I finally got it. It

517
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Speaker 4: was like the circularity of the conversation. So neither of

518
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Speaker 4: the people are evil and you're on no one's side.

519
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Speaker 4: But it was hypnotic the way that they kind of

520
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Speaker 4: You've watched the unraveling of this marriage, so scenes from

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Speaker 4: a marriage on.

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Speaker 2: Max Mia Friedman.

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Speaker 1: I've been watching something very different. I've wanted to just

524
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Speaker 1: have a bit of a brain break. So I'd heard

525
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Speaker 1: about a show called Etoile, which is on Prime Video.

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Speaker 2: Your company it's in trouble, No, it's not, Yes it is.

527
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Speaker 2: Reviews don't matter.

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Speaker 1: Minus dear, I've got union issues.

529
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Speaker 2: If they strike, I don't have to pay them.

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Speaker 1: What the audience is dead. So it's the fonding the scenes.

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Speaker 4: They're empty, not ours.

532
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Speaker 2: That's right.

533
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Speaker 4: Once we closed off the balconies, the house.

534
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Speaker 2: Filled right up.

535
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Speaker 1: We have to fix this. Okay, fine, what do we do?

536
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Speaker 2: We trained our top ten parents and New York.

537
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Speaker 1: First I thought it was like a documentary, but it's not.

538
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Speaker 1: It's a drama y Really, it's pretty funny about two

539
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Speaker 1: ballet companies, one in New York and one in Paris,

540
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Speaker 1: and they're both struggling, as all ballet companies and opera

541
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Speaker 1: companies are around the world now to get audiences and

542
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Speaker 1: through COVID and everything. And what they do is that

543
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Speaker 1: the two chief executives of those companies decide to do

544
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Speaker 1: a swap of their principal dancers and some of their choreographers.

545
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Speaker 1: So the French ones go to New York, the New

546
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Speaker 1: York ones go to France, and it just sort of

547
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Speaker 1: follows the two ballet companies. And what happens is there

548
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Speaker 1: much ballet. There's quite a chart.

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Speaker 3: I love what she said.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there is quite a lot. It's made by a

551
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Speaker 1: producer called Amy Sherman Palladino, and she did a similar

552
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Speaker 1: ballet show that was a comedy that was really well

553
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Speaker 1: received a few years ago called Bunheads has quite a

554
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Speaker 1: cop following. I've started watching that as well. That's on

555
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Speaker 1: Disney's Gilson Foster. But she made Gilmore Girls, that's what

556
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Speaker 1: she's famous for. And she used to be ballerina. You know.

557
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Speaker 1: She clearly loves that world and tells the story really beautiful.

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Speaker 1: Shell Gainsbury's in it. She plays the chief of the

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Speaker 1: Parisian Ballet Company. It's a bit rom comie. It's funny,

560
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Speaker 1: it's interesting, it's easy to watch, and the ballet is beautiful.

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Speaker 4: Oh okay, that sounds good, Holly.

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Speaker 2: I'm recommending a book. I am recommending a novel called

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Speaker 2: Lonely Mouth by Jacqueline Maylee. Now this is not a

564
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Speaker 2: feel good novel, by the way, so if you're looking

565
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Speaker 2: for like something to lift your spirits and take you away,

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Speaker 2: it's not that. But it is very good. And I

567
00:27:35,702 --> 00:27:37,821
Speaker 2: was reading it because I knew I was doing an

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Speaker 2: event with Jaqueline Melee, and I was like, I want

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Speaker 2: to read the book and.

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Speaker 1: See what it's like.

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Speaker 2: And I loved it so much that when I finished it,

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Speaker 2: which was on a plane to Melbourne last week, I

573
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Speaker 2: was crying my eyes out. I was crying my premier.

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Speaker 2: So the premise is and Jacquelineilee is an Australian journalist.

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Speaker 2: She writes for The Age and the Herald. Love first novel, yes,

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Speaker 2: I can't remember what it.

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Speaker 1: Was, kind of like a Bell Gibson ESQ. Story. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was really good.

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Speaker 2: So it starts with a woman abandoning her two daughters

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Speaker 2: at the Big Marine in Goldburn. She goes to the

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Speaker 2: toilet at the servo there, what are great? And then

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Speaker 2: she leaves them there. One of them is at thirteen fourteen,

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Speaker 2: that's Matilda, and the other one, Lara, is little three

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Speaker 2: to four. Right then you meet them again when Matilda

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Speaker 2: is nearly thirty, and you go through sort of what happened,

586
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Speaker 2: go into the foster system for a while, and then

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Speaker 2: they end up together and then d D da da da,

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Speaker 2: and Lara goes and lives overseas, and Matilda's in Sydney

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Speaker 2: and she lives a very ordered, very routine driven life

590
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Speaker 2: and she works in one of Sydney's fanciest, like trendiest restaurants.

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Speaker 2: So there's also this kind of world of that, and

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00:28:46,062 --> 00:28:49,661
Speaker 2: she has a lot of repercussions obviously from her complicated

593
00:28:49,702 --> 00:28:51,422
Speaker 2: childhood and you go back and you find them out.

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00:28:51,822 --> 00:28:54,462
Speaker 2: It deals with eating disorders, which obviously will be difficult

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Speaker 2: for some people, but in a very interesting, unflinching, but

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Speaker 2: very human way. It's about sisterhood, it's about moving on,

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Speaker 2: it's about the things you do to cope. It is

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Speaker 2: beautiful and it's quite slight the book, and I just

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Speaker 2: loved being in that world. I kept you know, a

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Speaker 2: good sign of any book is when you're not reading it,

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Speaker 2: And I kept thinking about Matilda and her world in

602
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Speaker 2: her flatten Darlinghurst and the restaurant in Paddington, and like,

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Speaker 2: I kept thinking, how she doing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I love the name lonely mouth. I was reading

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Speaker 1: in pandora Sites's newsletter about lonely mouth and I think

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00:29:34,302 --> 00:29:37,142
Speaker 1: it's a Japanese word for it, and it basically means

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00:29:37,182 --> 00:29:39,742
Speaker 1: when you eat not because you're hungry, but because your

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00:29:39,782 --> 00:29:44,942
Speaker 1: mouth wants company. Yeah, beautiful phrase. After the Breaker, Dog

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Speaker 1: Fights some feedback for a movie that's Everywhere and a

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Speaker 1: Time for Best and Worst, the part of the show

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Speaker 1: where we share a little more from our personal lives.

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Speaker 1: I'll go first. My worst is something I actually wasn't

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Speaker 1: there for. I was getting on a plane flying home

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Speaker 1: from our Melbourne show, which is at the end of

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Speaker 1: our tour, feeling exhausted but happy. Jason called me and said,

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Speaker 1: the dogs have had a fight and one of the

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Speaker 1: dogs has dislocated the other dog's leg.

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Speaker 2: And they usually get along.

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Speaker 1: Your dogs, yeah, they douse.

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Speaker 2: They used to.

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Speaker 1: Live in the same house. Now that my daughter's moved out, Bonnie,

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Speaker 1: who's the boordoodle, has sort of moved out with her,

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Speaker 1: so but she's at our house a lot. And the

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Speaker 1: older dog that's a cattle cross. They've had a couple

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Speaker 1: of incidents. Once when they were at like a boarding

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Speaker 1: kennel when we were away, the younger one knocked the

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Speaker 1: older one's teeth out. They had a fight, but that

635
00:31:04,022 --> 00:31:06,102
Speaker 1: was about food. No one knows what this was about

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Speaker 1: because Jason wasn't downstairs. What happened anyway, long sure, in

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Speaker 1: and out of the vet all weekend. She's needed surgery.

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Speaker 1: Her leg kept popping out, popping in, popping out, popping in,

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Speaker 1: popping out, choosing huge amount of pain. Shout out to

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Speaker 1: vets and anyone working with animals vet nurses. You do

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Speaker 1: incredible work. It's also very expensive. Anyone who's ever had

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Speaker 1: to pay for that can I just suggest everybody get

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Speaker 1: pet insurance if you can possibly afford it. It helps somewhat.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, that's when we just got back from tour

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Speaker 1: and I was like, I just need a rest. This weekend.

646
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Speaker 1: We've all just been consumed with emergency trips to the

647
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Speaker 1: dog hospital. She had surgery yesterday. She should come home today,

648
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Speaker 1: so she should hopefully be okay. My best is that

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Speaker 1: we moved into our new offices for Mum and Maya

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Speaker 1: this week. And running a business, Jayson, I've been running

651
00:31:52,822 --> 00:31:55,701
Speaker 1: Mama Maya for seventeen years, and so often when you're

652
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Speaker 1: running a business, you don't ever have time to pinch

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Speaker 1: yourself for people like what's been the most amazing, And

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Speaker 1: it's like there's so much pressure running a business. Those

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Speaker 1: moments really pass you by. And this is about the

656
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Speaker 1: fourth office we've had and the last time we moved

657
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Speaker 1: was actually during COVID, so there was no real pinch

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Speaker 1: me moment. Then it was just kind of like punched

659
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Speaker 1: myself in the face moment. But each time it's been

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Speaker 1: a step up. But in this office this week, we

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Speaker 1: had everyone come in and everyone was cheering and so excited,

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Speaker 1: and it's like, I have felt really emotional this week.

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Speaker 1: We've got new studios for the podcasts, and it's like

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Speaker 1: we started our podcast recording on an iPhone, and then

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Speaker 1: we had you guys were there. We had a little

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Speaker 1: garden shared with no roof up near the toilets at

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Speaker 1: the back of our office that we built ourselves. Then

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Speaker 1: we were in a little cupboard with Bunning's soundproofing. And

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Speaker 1: then in our last office we were like, oh wow,

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Speaker 1: we've got proper studios and their soundproof but this because

671
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Speaker 1: we've got to now make video. This is a whole

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Speaker 1: other level and just the whole office is like I

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Speaker 1: couldn't have ever dreamed of working in an office like this,

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Speaker 1: and I have had real pinch me moments thanks to

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Speaker 1: all the amazing people who've made it happen. We've got this,

676
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Speaker 1: you know, credible furniture, and everyone's just made such an effort.

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Speaker 1: It feels really special. So that's been my best.

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Speaker 3: Holly, what was your worst?

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Speaker 2: Okay, So we talked about Tom Cruise last week. He's

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Speaker 2: not my worst. Despite his ridiculous hair, he is not

681
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Speaker 2: my worst. But me and the family went to Sea

682
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Speaker 2: Mission Impossible on the weekend. It was our family outing,

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Speaker 2: our back together family outing.

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Speaker 3: Because you get dune part of course. Okay.

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Speaker 2: In fact, this is one of the reasons why it

686
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Speaker 2: was my worst is I thought, we don't want going

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Speaker 2: to Sea Mission Impossible twenty five to take up the

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Speaker 2: whole day, So we'll go to the ten am and

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Speaker 2: it'll be over quickly. Yeah, So then we can go

690
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Speaker 2: and have darlings and we'll all be home by one,

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Speaker 2: like get on with our lives. Ten am, we walk

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Speaker 2: in there. We're still in there at one fifteen.

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Speaker 1: Oh too long?

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Speaker 2: This movie. Look, it's a good movie. It's an adventure,

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Speaker 2: it's a rollicking good time. It is nearly three hours long.

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Speaker 2: And why are all the movies? I know, do I

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00:33:58,462 --> 00:34:00,302
Speaker 2: sound like a nana when I say that? Why are

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00:34:00,342 --> 00:34:02,062
Speaker 2: all the movies three hours long? Now?

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Speaker 4: I've talked about it on this show before and I

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Speaker 4: can't remember, but there's a really good reason why the

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00:34:06,462 --> 00:34:09,142
Speaker 4: movies kept getting longer, and it's like a real phenomenon.

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Speaker 2: They have to make them into events to get people

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Speaker 2: to go to the cinema. But nearly everybody, the teenagers

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Speaker 2: who were with me, thought it was too long. Billy,

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Speaker 2: who was really into it, he kind of thought it

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00:34:19,862 --> 00:34:22,422
Speaker 2: was okay. Even Brent, who did you go outside and

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Speaker 2: have a break. I mean, I felt in wicked. I

708
00:34:24,462 --> 00:34:26,661
Speaker 2: needed to go outside and just it's just have a

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Speaker 2: little walk around for a bit.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think it's also a symptom of filmmakers who

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Speaker 1: don't have anyone that say no to them. I think

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Speaker 1: some of Baz Lehrman's films are like that, where they

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Speaker 1: would have been great if they'd have been just tied up.

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Speaker 1: They just needed a good edit to and Tom Cruise

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Speaker 1: who says no to Tom Cruz And this is.

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Speaker 2: His last one of the Mission Impossible, so it's a

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00:34:45,822 --> 00:34:48,341
Speaker 2: big deal and it has lots of flashbacks, and you know,

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Speaker 2: he's famous for doing his own stunts and blah blah blah,

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Speaker 2: but even the stunts are too long. It's like, this

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Speaker 2: is amazing that you're walking on a plane, but not

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Speaker 2: for ten.

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Speaker 1: Minutes that's a telephone, not a movie anyway.

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Speaker 2: So that was my worst. But my best is a

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Speaker 2: bit related to me is actually because it's this is

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00:35:01,022 --> 00:35:05,902
Speaker 2: broad but how good are women? Like I'm sorry, but okay,

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Speaker 2: which one is broadly because we talked last week about

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Speaker 2: at the end of the tour and how amazing it

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00:35:11,181 --> 00:35:13,861
Speaker 2: was without all female crew and all those things. Also

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Speaker 2: last week I was lucky enough to do a couple

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Speaker 2: of events with some female big wigs. I did an

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Speaker 2: event with Marrying Keys, who writes the most glorious books

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Speaker 2: that women love. And you know, some people are snooty

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Speaker 2: about female fiction and all that, but the event I

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Speaker 2: did with her, she is so joyous and funny and clever.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how you did it. In the same

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Speaker 1: time we were touring and zoe Foster, Zoey.

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Speaker 2: Foster Blake again, like here's a woman at the top

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Speaker 2: of her game, like all of these things. And then

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Speaker 2: when I walked into the office with you Mia this week,

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Speaker 2: and I know you're not sentimental, as you've just said,

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Speaker 2: but looking around that room at all those amazing young

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Speaker 2: and not all young, but young women who work here,

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Speaker 2: and they're all so smart and so hard working, and

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Speaker 2: far out. My best is just go the chicks. So

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Speaker 2: I'm going to get canceled for saying that.

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Speaker 1: I was serving in a big way. Well like it.

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Speaker 4: You'll have to listen to Monday's episode to work out

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Speaker 4: why she thinks. It's actually all about what did she

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Speaker 4: say in a power?

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Speaker 1: In a power?

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Speaker 3: My worst?

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Speaker 4: I was actually laying in bed last night and I thought,

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Speaker 4: what's my worst? I often do that the night before

754
00:36:22,062 --> 00:36:24,221
Speaker 4: Friday episode, and I go, what's my worst? I've had

755
00:36:24,221 --> 00:36:26,582
Speaker 4: a pretty good week, and then Luna started crying and

756
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Speaker 4: I was like, ah, there we go the night with that.

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Speaker 1: What time was it?

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Speaker 4: This was about eleven, and you know when you just

759
00:36:33,181 --> 00:36:35,421
Speaker 4: stripped off, And it's because I knew she was getting sick.

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00:36:35,502 --> 00:36:37,622
Speaker 4: Sickness has been going around, Everyone's been getting sick, and

761
00:36:37,661 --> 00:36:39,301
Speaker 4: so it was just one of those nights where it's like,

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00:36:39,382 --> 00:36:41,902
Speaker 4: all right, just got to accept that sleep is not happening.

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Speaker 3: Very sad. Luna lived a whole life overnight.

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Speaker 4: My best though, So last week when Luca was away,

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Speaker 4: I had, like, you know, when you have you really

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Speaker 4: good show going and a really good book going, and

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Speaker 4: you just that's what joy is made off. I think

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00:36:57,102 --> 00:36:59,502
Speaker 4: that's the equation is just going from one you're like,

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Speaker 4: I better stop watching my show, and then you're like

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Speaker 4: to get into bed and read my book. And then

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00:37:05,542 --> 00:37:09,221
Speaker 4: on Friday night, we got back from Melbourne and I

772
00:37:09,302 --> 00:37:11,661
Speaker 4: was just kind of going on a bit tired, and

773
00:37:12,062 --> 00:37:14,622
Speaker 4: decided to go and get dinner with Claire and Rory

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Speaker 4: and their little girl, Matilda.

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Speaker 3: And we've not really.

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00:37:18,062 --> 00:37:20,022
Speaker 4: Been able to do that for a while because Luna's

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00:37:20,062 --> 00:37:21,942
Speaker 4: not very into food, so to sit at a restaurant

778
00:37:21,982 --> 00:37:24,341
Speaker 4: is just you can't do it. But we threw her

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00:37:24,342 --> 00:37:26,781
Speaker 4: in a high chair, she had some hot chips, she

780
00:37:27,142 --> 00:37:30,542
Speaker 4: read her book, and it was just actually a lovely night.

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Speaker 3: And then we wandered.

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Speaker 2: Around dinner with the kids.

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00:37:33,822 --> 00:37:37,261
Speaker 4: Early dinner and wondered got her some ice cream. It

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Speaker 4: was just it was dinner with the gals, like it was.

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Speaker 4: We had so much fun and to have them, you know,

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Speaker 4: I often find that it's when parenting gets really isolating

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00:37:46,741 --> 00:37:49,982
Speaker 4: that it's the hardest, like to kind of go and

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Speaker 4: spend time with other people. Even though it's the hardest

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00:37:52,221 --> 00:37:55,422
Speaker 4: thing to do it, Like, we made our time go

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00:37:55,582 --> 00:37:56,941
Speaker 4: faster and it just makes it all.

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Speaker 1: Watching them interact is hilarious.

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00:37:58,822 --> 00:37:59,542
Speaker 3: It's so fun.

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Speaker 2: Out loud As. That's it for this week. Thank you

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Speaker 2: so much for being here with us as always in

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Speaker 2: our fancy new home. Big thanks to you, Me and Jesse.

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Speaker 2: Who else do we have to thank?

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Speaker 4: A big thank you to our team group executive producer

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Speaker 4: Ruth Devine, executive producer Emmeline Gazillis.

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Speaker 1: Our audio producer is Leah Porge's video producer Josh Green,

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Speaker 1: our junior content producers at Coco and Tessa and Mom

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Speaker 1: and MIAs Studios are styled with furniture from Fenton and Fenton.

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Speaker 1: If you've seen our socials or if you've seen us

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Speaker 1: on YouTube, you will have noticed our fancydigs. Visit Fenton

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Speaker 2: If you feel like you need a hairy lamp. Bye bye,

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Speaker 2: out loud As.

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Speaker 4: We're going to leave you with a snippet of a

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Speaker 4: chat we had on yesterday's subscriber episode about the lies

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Speaker 4: we tell to each other, to the people we love,

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Speaker 4: and a little bit to ourselves. If you're at the

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Speaker 4: live shows, you've already had a taste, but we thought

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Speaker 4: we would deep dive into what happened when we did

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00:38:54,862 --> 00:38:58,542
Speaker 4: a real life lie detector test and I housed your

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00:38:58,622 --> 00:39:00,062
Speaker 4: shoe loan breakdown.

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Speaker 2: It's one of my favorite days of work.

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Speaker 3: I just didn't see it coming.

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Speaker 2: What do you lie about now? If you came to

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00:39:08,342 --> 00:39:13,821
Speaker 2: our live shows, you saw some things. You saw Madonna outfits,

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00:39:13,902 --> 00:39:16,902
Speaker 2: you saw Kylie costumes, you saw Luca's face at a

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00:39:16,942 --> 00:39:21,982
Speaker 2: particularly inappropriate moment for this workplace, and you saw a

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Speaker 2: video of Mia, Jesse and I taking a lie detected

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Speaker 2: test under the watchful eye of one Amelia Lester. Here

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Speaker 2: is a little bit of that video.

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Speaker 1: Do you think you're smarter than your co hosts because

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Speaker 1: you have a university degree?

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Speaker 4: No, We will pop a link in the show notes.

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Speaker 1: Shout out to any Mum and Maya subscribers listening. If

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Speaker 1: you love the show and want to support us as well,

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00:39:46,942 --> 00:39:49,462
Speaker 1: subscribing to MoMA Miya is the very best way to

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Speaker 1: do so. There is a link in the episode description