WEBVTT - Heatproof Office Fashion 0:00:10.705 --> 0:00:15.385 You're listening to Amma Mia podcast. Mamma Mia acknowledges the 0:00:15.425 --> 0:00:18.545 traditional owners of land and waters that this podcast is 0:00:18.585 --> 0:00:22.785 recorded on. Whoever said orange is a new pink with 0:00:22.945 --> 0:00:26.385 seriously disturbed laurels for spraying groundbreaking? 0:00:26.665 --> 0:00:28.945 Oh my god, you have to do it. You live 0:00:29.025 --> 0:00:29.745 for fashion. 0:00:31.145 --> 0:00:34.065 Hello, and welcome to Nothing to Wear, the podcast that 0:00:34.145 --> 0:00:38.385 solves fashion problems and levels up your wardrobe. I'm Lee Campbell, 0:00:38.425 --> 0:00:41.265 and every week I talk to an expert who helps 0:00:41.305 --> 0:00:43.065 us work out how to get more out of the 0:00:43.065 --> 0:00:46.065 clothes we already own and tells us exactly what is 0:00:46.185 --> 0:00:50.865 and isn't worth adding to our wardrobes. Picture this, It's 0:00:50.985 --> 0:00:54.785 thirty five degrees outside, the sun is blazing, and the 0:00:54.865 --> 0:00:57.105 last thing you want to do is put on anything 0:00:57.225 --> 0:01:01.985 remotely resembling officewear. But some people do work in a 0:01:02.025 --> 0:01:05.465 corporate environment and a little tiny mini cotton dress I 0:01:05.465 --> 0:01:08.305 ain't gonna cut it. So today's guest is here to 0:01:08.385 --> 0:01:10.985 save us from all those what do I wear? Summer 0:01:11.025 --> 0:01:15.785 mornings when you're heading to work? Meet Virginia Jenkins aka 0:01:15.945 --> 0:01:19.105 v By day, she's the competition lawyer, and by night 0:01:19.465 --> 0:01:22.425 or whenever she has a spare moment, She's on Instagram 0:01:22.465 --> 0:01:26.905 and TikTok posting about her effortlessly chic office ready outfits, 0:01:27.465 --> 0:01:30.625 with over eighty five thousand Instagram followers hanging on her 0:01:30.665 --> 0:01:34.065 every post. They look to V for practical inspiration on 0:01:34.105 --> 0:01:37.985 how to dress chic in an arguably not very chic environment. 0:01:38.265 --> 0:01:41.625 The office then add heat to the problem. So in 0:01:41.665 --> 0:01:43.705 this episode, we're going to talk about how to curate 0:01:43.705 --> 0:01:46.345 a summer work where Wardrobe and her go to tricks 0:01:46.345 --> 0:01:48.345 for staying polished in the middle of a heat wave. 0:01:48.745 --> 0:01:51.345 My friend V, who I see at the occasional event. 0:01:51.425 --> 0:01:54.025 I'm excited I've roped you into the studio. I don't 0:01:54.065 --> 0:01:56.945 know how you fit it in your schedule. But new 0:01:56.985 --> 0:02:00.065 guests answer a couple of questions before we get into 0:02:00.105 --> 0:02:03.785 the topics. So please, can you describe your style in 0:02:03.905 --> 0:02:04.585 three words? 0:02:04.705 --> 0:02:08.425 Three words? Well? I did a lot of reading to 0:02:08.465 --> 0:02:11.145 determine my three words, and it was like a real 0:02:11.225 --> 0:02:14.265 serious thing on the internet. I even bought Amy Smileovig's 0:02:14.265 --> 0:02:17.425 book The Creative Pragmatis. Yeah. I adore her and Alison 0:02:17.505 --> 0:02:19.345 Bornstein's Where It Well, and I read it because I 0:02:19.465 --> 0:02:21.705 both have different approaches to how you find your three 0:02:21.745 --> 0:02:25.145 words but my three words are so classic to my 0:02:25.185 --> 0:02:27.905 foundational word, because my style is that its core classic. 0:02:28.865 --> 0:02:32.425 Then it's comfortable. That's how I want to feel. 0:02:32.825 --> 0:02:35.185 Oh my gosh, I haven't even thought of my words 0:02:35.225 --> 0:02:36.625 at alone. Research This is amazing. 0:02:36.625 --> 0:02:38.745 So it provides so much structure once you've got those pio. 0:02:39.905 --> 0:02:42.745 It did a little bit because comfortable doesn't sound very glamorous. 0:02:42.745 --> 0:02:44.585 Now it feels like traxit pants, but that's not true. 0:02:44.625 --> 0:02:46.185 That's right for me. It's got a bit of a 0:02:46.225 --> 0:02:48.105 double meaning in the sense that that's how I want 0:02:48.105 --> 0:02:49.625 to feel, but it also reflects. 0:02:49.825 --> 0:02:52.185 But then it makes you feel confident because it's right, and. 0:02:52.145 --> 0:02:54.705 It's like it reflects the relaxed nature of my life. 0:02:54.745 --> 0:02:56.865 Now it's not as dressy as it used to be 0:02:56.865 --> 0:02:58.265 because you know, I've got kids in the picture and 0:02:58.305 --> 0:03:01.505 things like that. But it's also because I'm petite. It's 0:03:01.505 --> 0:03:03.345 got a bit of a double meaning there too, because 0:03:03.505 --> 0:03:05.905 I walk into a store find things off the rack 0:03:05.905 --> 0:03:08.305 and they're not going to necessarily fit my proportions, so 0:03:08.665 --> 0:03:10.785 it's a bit of a remind they're not to sort 0:03:10.825 --> 0:03:14.425 of not to compromise anything, and just to make sure 0:03:14.425 --> 0:03:17.425 the filter that's right, and so comfortable's got a few 0:03:17.465 --> 0:03:20.825 sort of layer of My third word, which is my 0:03:20.905 --> 0:03:22.705 aspirational word, is elevated. 0:03:22.865 --> 0:03:26.425 Yes, oh you're all of those. That's your Your aspirations 0:03:26.705 --> 0:03:27.665 is a reality. 0:03:27.905 --> 0:03:29.585 Oh thanks. It's a little bit of something, a little 0:03:29.585 --> 0:03:32.065 bit of something special, something extra. I always try and 0:03:32.345 --> 0:03:34.385 like inject a little bit of that. Yes, And so 0:03:34.465 --> 0:03:36.745 I think like I approach that like for when I'm 0:03:36.745 --> 0:03:39.105 getting dressed for the office, yes, but also when I'm 0:03:39.185 --> 0:03:40.545 getting dressed for weekends. 0:03:40.625 --> 0:03:42.305 Stuff off you running around with the kids. 0:03:42.345 --> 0:03:44.065 That's right. I'll pop on some earrings just to get 0:03:44.105 --> 0:03:45.385 myself fee a little bit more elevation. 0:03:45.465 --> 0:03:47.625 Well, you know, seeing you in real life occasionally and 0:03:47.665 --> 0:03:51.105 following you like devotedly following on Instagram. I approve of 0:03:51.105 --> 0:03:54.265 all three. Next question, So the theory we hear all 0:03:54.265 --> 0:03:56.505 the time, we wear ten percent of our wardrobe ninety 0:03:56.505 --> 0:03:58.705 percent of the time. So the stuff we grab where 0:03:58.905 --> 0:04:01.225 love rewear, make sure it's washed so it's ready to 0:04:01.225 --> 0:04:03.585 go again. You're ten percent. What's in there? 0:04:03.865 --> 0:04:06.465 When I think about the ten percent of things that 0:04:06.465 --> 0:04:08.985 I wear, I think shoes come to mind quite a bit. 0:04:09.745 --> 0:04:12.105 Yeah, I mean too, actually, because I'm just like I 0:04:12.145 --> 0:04:12.905 know you're comfortable. 0:04:12.985 --> 0:04:15.185 Yeah, I've got a pretty solid shoe collection, a lot 0:04:15.225 --> 0:04:17.985 of very beautiful, uncomfortable shoes, make sure, And so I'm 0:04:18.025 --> 0:04:21.865 always finding myself gravitating towards closed toe sandals at the moment. 0:04:21.905 --> 0:04:22.985 That's been a thing for the past. 0:04:23.105 --> 0:04:26.505 Closed toes sandal, Yeah, Like, what do you mean? 0:04:26.585 --> 0:04:27.985 So like, I've got a lot of I've got a 0:04:27.985 --> 0:04:30.465 heap of strappy I'm just holding my foot. Stop by 0:04:30.465 --> 0:04:33.145 the way, No, that's going to mean nothing to people listening. No, 0:04:33.225 --> 0:04:35.425 but yeah, I wear a lot of closed toe sandals 0:04:35.465 --> 0:04:39.705 from the office. Also appropriate, work appropriate, super comfortable. Yeah, 0:04:39.705 --> 0:04:42.425 but they're airy, That's why they're airy. But it means that, 0:04:42.585 --> 0:04:44.705 like my heels, a lot of things don't get as 0:04:44.785 --> 0:04:47.265 much airtime as they should. I may be wearing one 0:04:47.265 --> 0:04:49.505 pair of sneakers when I'm like doing exercise and things 0:04:49.545 --> 0:04:52.065 like that, and so that's who that makes up. 0:04:52.105 --> 0:04:54.065 But then I walk into a shoe shop, I'm like, pretty, 0:04:54.465 --> 0:04:55.425 I know, buy it? 0:04:55.745 --> 0:04:55.945 Yeah? 0:04:56.705 --> 0:04:58.865 What else? Are you a jean girl? I mean we're 0:04:58.865 --> 0:05:01.945 about to talk corporate, but what are you grabbing? Is 0:05:01.985 --> 0:05:03.505 it a good quality tea? 0:05:03.625 --> 0:05:05.985 Yeah, I've got like crew neck teas that I love 0:05:06.025 --> 0:05:08.425 wearing to I go two pairs of jeans that I 0:05:08.505 --> 0:05:12.265 always wear. And I think the other key thing, the 0:05:12.345 --> 0:05:14.585 key category that makes up my ten percent, which I 0:05:14.585 --> 0:05:16.385 think is something that a lot of people can relate to, 0:05:16.865 --> 0:05:18.105 would be my active wear. 0:05:18.225 --> 0:05:18.505 Same. 0:05:18.825 --> 0:05:21.665 And it's like particularly the stuff that I have from Lululemon. Yeah, 0:05:21.705 --> 0:05:23.585 and it's not just fader, It's right, it's not just 0:05:23.625 --> 0:05:25.625 the stuff that I'm wearing when I'm working out, Oh no, 0:05:25.665 --> 0:05:27.745 because I rarely work out, but I've got a busy day, 0:05:27.745 --> 0:05:29.425 so I just put that on. That's right. I wear 0:05:29.505 --> 0:05:32.025 like a lot of their casual stuff and it's so comfortable. 0:05:32.185 --> 0:05:33.745 Like I work from home quite a bit, I still 0:05:33.745 --> 0:05:36.465 have to show up and feel put together. Yes, but 0:05:36.505 --> 0:05:39.345 there's only so much that you can achieve in sweatpants. Yeah, 0:05:39.385 --> 0:05:40.345 tell your let's get home. 0:05:40.545 --> 0:05:41.985 But then you're not gonna wear like a full on 0:05:42.065 --> 0:05:44.905 blazer if you don't need to unless you'ret of the day. 0:05:45.105 --> 0:05:47.945 Yeah. So I think luzer Lemon provides like that perfect 0:05:47.985 --> 0:05:52.145 amount of like elevated sounds have a. 0:05:52.145 --> 0:05:55.465 Very similar ten percent. Okay, So we're talking corporate wear 0:05:55.945 --> 0:05:58.345 for two reasons. Firstly, because we've had so many guests 0:05:58.385 --> 0:06:00.945 on this show and this MoMA mea office and team. 0:06:01.185 --> 0:06:03.385 We can you know, it's a creative workplace, so we 0:06:03.425 --> 0:06:07.225 can wear pretty casual things, and a lot of workplaces can. 0:06:07.265 --> 0:06:09.905 But on the flip side, a lot of professions aren't, 0:06:09.985 --> 0:06:14.065 you know, they're what I call serious careers, like lawyers 0:06:14.185 --> 0:06:16.785 or doctors. I've got some friends that are solicitors. You know, 0:06:16.825 --> 0:06:20.505 they're in kind of proper corporate environments. And it's also 0:06:20.705 --> 0:06:24.505 very hot right now. Immediately when I think corporate, I think, 0:06:24.545 --> 0:06:26.985 you know, a blazer, a long pant, whatever. But then 0:06:27.025 --> 0:06:29.465 it's summer and it's getting hotter and hotter and hotter, 0:06:29.785 --> 0:06:32.705 and I can imagine the corporate conundrum. I just made 0:06:32.705 --> 0:06:35.425 that up of you know, getting to and from work 0:06:35.425 --> 0:06:37.865 hopefully works relatively well, their conditioned, but you might be 0:06:37.905 --> 0:06:40.505 running between meetings and so you've got to look put 0:06:40.545 --> 0:06:43.585 together and you don't want to drop dead from heat exhaustion. 0:06:43.665 --> 0:06:46.185 So we're going to cover all of that, But first 0:06:46.225 --> 0:06:49.025 I want to ask you you have two lives. Essentially, 0:06:49.185 --> 0:06:51.665 you're a content creator, but you're also a lawyer. So 0:06:51.745 --> 0:06:54.865 tell me about that and the wardrobes, the different wardrobes 0:06:54.865 --> 0:06:56.345 if there is for. 0:06:56.385 --> 0:07:00.905 Me, because what I share online is essentially what I'm wearing. Yeah, 0:07:00.945 --> 0:07:02.505 it's the same, which is great. 0:07:02.625 --> 0:07:06.305 So your audience are probably office workers, you know, career corporate. 0:07:06.385 --> 0:07:08.385 Yeah, yeah, so I'm essentially I work full time as 0:07:08.385 --> 0:07:11.305 a lawyer, and then I share what I wear online 0:07:11.385 --> 0:07:13.745 for my audience. Yeah, and it used to be strictly 0:07:13.865 --> 0:07:16.665 just workwhere when I first started, it's now expanded into 0:07:16.665 --> 0:07:20.865 what I was that pre lockdown, pre lockdown when everything wonders, 0:07:21.305 --> 0:07:24.905 things have changed, and I navigated that shift with my 0:07:24.985 --> 0:07:28.065 audience online and they were probably going through it too. 0:07:28.265 --> 0:07:28.465 Yeah. 0:07:28.465 --> 0:07:31.865 I think that's right. Sefually working in traditional corporate jobs 0:07:32.185 --> 0:07:34.065 and then all of a sudden working from home to 0:07:34.225 --> 0:07:37.665 suit pants, which was amazing totally Yeah. 0:07:37.905 --> 0:07:40.465 Yeah, exactly despite what was happening in the world. Your 0:07:40.465 --> 0:07:41.025 bottom for. 0:07:41.025 --> 0:07:42.305 Comfy, Yeah, that's right. 0:07:42.505 --> 0:07:45.185 So what was your you know, I guess it's different 0:07:45.185 --> 0:07:47.345 for each workplace, So what was the general vibe or 0:07:47.425 --> 0:07:51.105 dress code for your work and career pre lockdown? 0:07:51.305 --> 0:07:54.905 So pre lockdown, I worked mainly in private firms, and 0:07:55.145 --> 0:07:57.545 the dress code there was I think what they call 0:07:57.625 --> 0:08:01.305 business casual, So it's not business formal, that's like very elevated. 0:08:01.425 --> 0:08:04.585 Business casual is still suits and blazers and things like that. Yeah, 0:08:04.625 --> 0:08:07.585 the silhouettes were always pencil shape. Yeah as well, like 0:08:07.585 --> 0:08:10.385 I've FINELOI in our for almost fifteen. Yeah, so I'm 0:08:10.385 --> 0:08:11.705 sort of reflecting that show. 0:08:11.905 --> 0:08:13.305 Back in the day, like you had to wear like 0:08:13.345 --> 0:08:15.145 stockings and everything, or am I making that up? 0:08:15.185 --> 0:08:18.065 Stockings wasn't a thing, that's yeah, I think I was 0:08:18.105 --> 0:08:22.665 probably that predated my time, but it was definitely slim lines, 0:08:22.785 --> 0:08:25.705 high heels. I punished my feet inten centimeter heels, and 0:08:25.745 --> 0:08:26.945 it was just a thing everyone did. 0:08:27.265 --> 0:08:29.305 Look at magazines back in the day. It was the same, yeah, 0:08:29.305 --> 0:08:31.705 and it was unspoken for us. But you just you 0:08:31.785 --> 0:08:33.745 just want to just sight club shoes. 0:08:33.385 --> 0:08:35.585 So you punish your feet in them. Sometimes you have 0:08:36.105 --> 0:08:40.225 you change from your flats to your heels after committee, 0:08:40.385 --> 0:08:42.625 but that would be even like why are you doing that? 0:08:42.665 --> 0:08:44.945 Like why can't you just punish your feet the entire day. 0:08:46.065 --> 0:08:48.265 It would be a flex to be able to commute 0:08:48.545 --> 0:08:50.665 from home to the office and home again, just in 0:08:50.665 --> 0:08:51.065 the one. 0:08:50.905 --> 0:08:53.105 Period shoe and I'm assuming like a pump or a 0:08:53.145 --> 0:08:55.825 court shoe, like not a stiletto. Yeah, not as. 0:08:56.105 --> 0:08:58.905 I would wear stilettos, but I would went like a pump. Yeah, no, 0:08:59.745 --> 0:09:02.465 no toes out okay, no that even sling backs were 0:09:02.465 --> 0:09:05.705 frowned upon. But I mean there's been such a shift 0:09:05.905 --> 0:09:08.425 like yeah, but I think that was just a very conservative, 0:09:08.665 --> 0:09:10.065 traditional office environ. 0:09:10.185 --> 0:09:14.145 Yeah, pretty narrow in terms of the options of the 0:09:14.225 --> 0:09:14.825 final look. 0:09:15.065 --> 0:09:15.785 Yes, that's right. 0:09:15.825 --> 0:09:18.625 Okay. And for you, has that changed post lockdown or 0:09:18.665 --> 0:09:20.985 do you think at industry wide as you know, sort 0:09:21.025 --> 0:09:23.025 of corporate, has it relaxed a little bit? 0:09:23.225 --> 0:09:25.585 Oh? Absolutely, it's relaxed a lot. 0:09:25.785 --> 0:09:26.145 Okay. 0:09:26.185 --> 0:09:29.265 And so now I dressed to a smart casual dress 0:09:29.265 --> 0:09:31.745 code okay, and our office actually applies a dress for 0:09:31.745 --> 0:09:35.905 your day policy, so everyone can exert Everyone can exercise 0:09:35.985 --> 0:09:38.665 their own common sense, which is great to have the freedom, 0:09:38.665 --> 0:09:41.185 but you also get a very wide range of outfits. 0:09:41.265 --> 0:09:41.745 Yeah. 0:09:41.785 --> 0:09:43.065 But that's not to say that when I have a 0:09:43.105 --> 0:09:45.385 big meeting, like a big serious meeting, yet I'm not 0:09:45.465 --> 0:09:48.425 putting on something that is a little bit more structured 0:09:48.665 --> 0:09:50.505 and you know, meeting the occasion. 0:09:50.945 --> 0:09:52.705 Any are dressing for the for your day? 0:09:52.785 --> 0:09:53.425 Yeah, that's right. 0:09:53.465 --> 0:09:55.145 I wonder if anyone has to get pulled aside and 0:09:55.185 --> 0:09:57.185 saying the day in your head and the day on 0:09:57.225 --> 0:10:05.145 your body is it's two different things. The last few 0:10:05.225 --> 0:10:08.425 years you've had more flexibility. But how do you in 0:10:08.545 --> 0:10:13.705 general avoid boring corporate work outfits? Because I think also 0:10:14.265 --> 0:10:16.385 corporate people are often busy or up earlier doing a 0:10:16.385 --> 0:10:18.105 million things, and it's so easy just to go into 0:10:18.145 --> 0:10:20.145 water from and go black pants, black jacket, and they 0:10:20.225 --> 0:10:23.745 might be lovely, but how do you keep it fresh 0:10:24.065 --> 0:10:25.705 or you know, make sure there's still a bit of 0:10:25.745 --> 0:10:28.385 your personality in your corporate outfit. Is it about the planning? 0:10:28.505 --> 0:10:29.785 Is it about the accessories? 0:10:30.345 --> 0:10:32.425 I keep those three style wards in mind, and I 0:10:32.425 --> 0:10:34.185 think that's the ones that you asked me about in 0:10:34.225 --> 0:10:36.105 the beginning. That's provided me with a lot of structure 0:10:36.105 --> 0:10:37.905 to have a bit of a play because I do 0:10:37.945 --> 0:10:39.785 think that there is still a place for a pair 0:10:39.825 --> 0:10:40.585 of black pants. 0:10:40.625 --> 0:10:43.425 Oh my gosh, absolutely, yeah, it's but there's still the 0:10:43.505 --> 0:10:45.665 way they bought from events fifteen years ago. 0:10:45.865 --> 0:10:46.225 That's right. 0:10:46.265 --> 0:10:47.865 That's you don't have to wear that every single day, 0:10:48.985 --> 0:10:52.065 like you know, corporate borings. I won't bother yeah, yeah, And. 0:10:52.025 --> 0:10:54.305 Corporate were back in the day as well, was really expensive. 0:10:54.385 --> 0:10:56.425 Oh yeah, and I would spend I remember spending four 0:10:56.465 --> 0:10:58.185 hundred dollars on a pencil skirt that I would never 0:10:58.185 --> 0:11:00.945 wear now because it's just so old school, whereas now 0:11:00.985 --> 0:11:03.345 you can sort of there's no hard and fast line 0:11:03.385 --> 0:11:05.345 between work where you're wearing off. 0:11:05.425 --> 0:11:07.305 Yet there's not those few stores that you'd go to 0:11:07.425 --> 0:11:10.105 only for your work, right right, Yeah, yeah, that's my 0:11:10.185 --> 0:11:12.985 next question. So can you run us through. We're going 0:11:13.065 --> 0:11:16.265 to talk about hot first, like the hot weather, I mean, 0:11:16.305 --> 0:11:19.665 you're very hot, but then we'll get into justunch work stuff. 0:11:20.065 --> 0:11:24.865 Do you have favorite items that you do wear for 0:11:24.985 --> 0:11:27.305 corporate life when it is unbearably hot? 0:11:27.745 --> 0:11:31.825 Yeah? I mean I think that dressing stylishly for work 0:11:31.985 --> 0:11:34.585 in the summer, particularly in Australia, I think that's a 0:11:34.585 --> 0:11:38.425 bit of a mystery. It's so hard, that's right. And 0:11:38.425 --> 0:11:40.465 I think that, like exactly what you said earlier, like 0:11:40.505 --> 0:11:42.865 your work day doesn't just start from when you're in 0:11:42.865 --> 0:11:44.465 the office, because all the stuff you do for when 0:11:44.465 --> 0:11:47.025 there's commute ye, maybe you're dropping kids off, that's right, 0:11:47.065 --> 0:11:49.385 dropping kids off, waiting at a train station with nowhere on, 0:11:49.425 --> 0:11:51.545 hopping on a crowded train, having a heavy bag, all 0:11:51.545 --> 0:11:53.945 that sort of stuff. And just with the shift in 0:11:53.945 --> 0:11:55.625 my dress code as well, I just sort of wanted 0:11:55.665 --> 0:11:58.505 to canvasite just in case people are working in different professions. 0:11:58.745 --> 0:12:01.185 Yes, well that is it, and everyone's got something slightly different. 0:12:01.345 --> 0:12:04.505 Yeah. For me, it's summer work where boils down to 0:12:04.585 --> 0:12:07.745 two things. It's the fabric choice and it's having a 0:12:07.785 --> 0:12:10.625 good set of basics because you're a sentally down to 0:12:10.705 --> 0:12:13.745 the one layer that you can really to express yourself. 0:12:14.025 --> 0:12:16.465 I think that's why like fashion, people like colder weathers 0:12:16.505 --> 0:12:17.105 so much. 0:12:17.065 --> 0:12:19.225 If they can do the really cool blazer, but then 0:12:19.225 --> 0:12:20.985 the coat that they don't properly put on all right, 0:12:21.025 --> 0:12:25.265 but your noxious shoulder, yeah that day to day Yeah. 0:12:25.345 --> 0:12:27.865 Yeah, So there's the layering and there's the textures, whereas 0:12:27.865 --> 0:12:30.105 here you've just you just got one. And so for 0:12:30.185 --> 0:12:32.585 me the fabrics, I think you want to opt for 0:12:32.625 --> 0:12:35.905 something that's light and breathable, so things like linen and 0:12:35.985 --> 0:12:38.865 cotton they're kind of no brainers. There are also some 0:12:38.905 --> 0:12:42.025 synthetic fibers as well that are breathable and moisture wicking, 0:12:42.305 --> 0:12:44.585 like you know, like the active were stuff. Yes, but 0:12:44.705 --> 0:12:47.785 there's a brand called Euphemie which is an Australian label, 0:12:47.865 --> 0:12:50.585 and they also use some of their technology in their 0:12:50.625 --> 0:12:53.385 work where too, because they're predominantly a workwear label. Yeah, 0:12:53.505 --> 0:12:55.465 so you're getting a little bit of that. Yeah, because 0:12:55.465 --> 0:12:56.665 you get stress sweats. 0:12:56.785 --> 0:13:01.705 Yeah, of course you do it. Sweat a huge presentation exactly. Yeah, 0:13:01.705 --> 0:13:02.105 you've got a. 0:13:02.025 --> 0:13:04.625 Crazy deadline, you've got a horrible west or something like that. 0:13:04.705 --> 0:13:09.505 Yeah, that's right. You can't in the office, that's right. Yeah. Wow. 0:13:09.665 --> 0:13:11.305 And then I guess in terms of like the favorite 0:13:11.305 --> 0:13:14.185 pieces that I have that at my go tos, So 0:13:14.305 --> 0:13:18.105 the first is shirting. Obviously, like linen shirts are great 0:13:18.425 --> 0:13:22.105 because you know, they've got the airflow and they're breathable. 0:13:22.385 --> 0:13:24.265 I think they're also versatile in the sense that you 0:13:24.265 --> 0:13:27.225 can wear them as a shirt, yes, as they were made, 0:13:27.865 --> 0:13:29.585 but then you can also wear them over a tank 0:13:29.625 --> 0:13:31.425 as like a shacket. Yeah. And I really like doing 0:13:31.425 --> 0:13:31.865 it on. 0:13:31.785 --> 0:13:34.625 The weekend or even though that's. 0:13:33.945 --> 0:13:35.745 For a bit of a relaxed look. So I think 0:13:35.745 --> 0:13:38.105 that's summer work. Where item number one. 0:13:38.065 --> 0:13:41.225 Okay, a good natural fib or breathabule shirt. 0:13:41.025 --> 0:13:43.665 That's right, A good loose that's right, breathble shirt. 0:13:43.785 --> 0:13:43.985 Yes. 0:13:44.065 --> 0:13:46.705 The next item for me sounds a little bit specific, 0:13:46.745 --> 0:13:48.545 but it's cotton poplin dresses. 0:13:48.905 --> 0:13:51.585 I don't think love we love specificity. Trust me, that's 0:13:51.625 --> 0:13:55.345 good okay, cotton poplin specifically. Okay, so that's that kind 0:13:55.385 --> 0:13:57.265 of stiffer, yes, yes, stiff. 0:13:57.265 --> 0:14:00.025 They're tied a wee bit of achine to it. Yeah. 0:14:00.145 --> 0:14:02.785 So see I immediately think white, but I'm assuming you're 0:14:02.785 --> 0:14:04.305 probably thinking different color. 0:14:04.225 --> 0:14:08.745 Yes, different color. Yeah. Cotton poplin is like cotton's ritzier cousin. Yes, 0:14:09.145 --> 0:14:11.825 and it's it just it looks so much more elevated, 0:14:11.865 --> 0:14:14.105 and you get pieces that are more elevated made in 0:14:14.185 --> 0:14:15.025 that fabric. 0:14:15.065 --> 0:14:17.105 Yeah. And it's a bit more structured, so it lends 0:14:17.105 --> 0:14:17.985 out's right, So it. 0:14:18.025 --> 0:14:20.225 Flows a little bit more. There are some designers like 0:14:20.265 --> 0:14:22.945 Scanlan Theater or they do a really good cotton poplin dress, 0:14:23.265 --> 0:14:26.505 but I appreciate their price tag isn't accessible to everybody. Yeah, 0:14:26.665 --> 0:14:29.105 and so there's also an Aussie label called fou Ameina. 0:14:29.585 --> 0:14:31.145 Oh I love this stuff. 0:14:31.145 --> 0:14:33.305 Is so good, isn't it. They've got an amazing range 0:14:33.305 --> 0:14:36.505 of cotton poplin dresses in beautiful colors. That's where all 0:14:36.505 --> 0:14:39.905 my color is coming from, actually from their dresses. And 0:14:40.185 --> 0:14:43.025 it's roughly half the price of a Scalon theaterre dress. 0:14:43.105 --> 0:14:46.265 Okay, and the cuts work appropriate, The cuts are I'm 0:14:46.305 --> 0:14:48.465 assuming you wouldn't do sort of a shoe string strap 0:14:48.585 --> 0:14:49.305 or no. 0:14:49.185 --> 0:14:51.945 You wouldn't you do like a play on a shirt dress? Yeah, 0:14:52.105 --> 0:14:56.425 a button down something sleek covered. But yeah, you can 0:14:56.465 --> 0:14:58.625 do something. Yep, they've got things with shoulders on them. 0:14:58.665 --> 0:15:02.465 But I think as long as it's flowy and like 0:15:02.505 --> 0:15:04.865 a high neck, yeah, I think that's appropriate for the 0:15:04.905 --> 0:15:05.585 office I need. 0:15:05.705 --> 0:15:07.385 I mean not that I work in corporate, but you've 0:15:07.385 --> 0:15:09.665 made me inspired by that. What else? 0:15:10.065 --> 0:15:12.865 What else? Summer knits some I know that sounds like 0:15:12.865 --> 0:15:13.825 a bit of an oxyd. 0:15:13.665 --> 0:15:15.465 Yeah, I mean I've got a few knit tanks. Oh, 0:15:15.505 --> 0:15:17.585 you could do like a nice high knit tank kind 0:15:17.665 --> 0:15:17.945 of thing. 0:15:18.025 --> 0:15:22.745 Yeah, like cotton knits because they are quite breathable and 0:15:22.785 --> 0:15:26.025 they look because it's the idea of an elevated basic, 0:15:26.065 --> 0:15:28.185 they look a lot more basic than a creen neckt 0:15:28.385 --> 0:15:30.425 which I have nothing against. Yeah, sometimes you want a 0:15:30.465 --> 0:15:33.225 little bit of variety. Yes, I love my cotton knit 0:15:33.545 --> 0:15:38.185 tops from Aniquan a Uniclor have a great selection and 0:15:38.225 --> 0:15:41.385 they're all so great when the air con is set 0:15:41.425 --> 0:15:44.225 to Arctic in the office, and it gives you an 0:15:44.265 --> 0:15:45.505 additional bit of like. 0:15:45.465 --> 0:15:47.305 Yeah, because it kind of knows whether it warm me 0:15:47.385 --> 0:15:48.865 up or cool you down. A little bit. 0:15:48.985 --> 0:15:51.505 Yeah, it's a bit of a magical work where. 0:15:51.305 --> 0:15:54.305 I and you mentioned closed sandals. So do you have 0:15:54.345 --> 0:15:58.425 any brands or work where appropriate sort of styles. Yeah, 0:15:58.545 --> 0:16:00.625 closed toast sandals have been a real thing for me 0:16:00.665 --> 0:16:01.585 for the past few years. 0:16:02.105 --> 0:16:05.425 I love the closed TOAs sandals from bad footwear comforts. 0:16:05.505 --> 0:16:08.265 I never thought that I would be so enthusiastic over 0:16:08.465 --> 0:16:10.865 for dietrist design. Shoes are the ones that I would 0:16:10.905 --> 0:16:12.065 see in the pharmacy. 0:16:11.825 --> 0:16:16.105 Totally, and homis that were on the side. 0:16:15.625 --> 0:16:19.905 Ye, comfort first fashion, not even a yes whereas bad. 0:16:20.025 --> 0:16:22.665 It's just they've got all these trendy designs. They're great. 0:16:23.065 --> 0:16:25.465 They've got heels as well, like traditional heels you know 0:16:25.625 --> 0:16:26.785 you would wear back in the day. 0:16:27.025 --> 0:16:28.585 Sure, you know, yeah, like a like a kind of 0:16:28.665 --> 0:16:31.105 air hostess courts that's right, like a courtshe Yeah, they've 0:16:31.105 --> 0:16:33.305 got a really they've got stylish options there. But I 0:16:33.345 --> 0:16:35.865 think the closed tost sandal is just a really nice 0:16:36.105 --> 0:16:38.465 flowed my mind. Yeah, I even thought to do a 0:16:38.505 --> 0:16:39.745 style like that. I love that. 0:16:39.865 --> 0:16:41.705 Yeah, it's great. They've got a heap of fishermen sandals. 0:16:41.705 --> 0:16:43.265 I never thought that I would be a lawyer wearing 0:16:43.265 --> 0:16:45.225 fisherman sandals too and from work. But that's what I'm 0:16:45.225 --> 0:16:47.945 doing run the office. Yeah, I love them. A lot 0:16:47.985 --> 0:16:49.225 of people are doing it too, so. 0:16:49.425 --> 0:16:50.425 You've influenced them. 0:16:50.545 --> 0:16:52.065 Yeah, I think so you can do it. 0:16:52.265 --> 0:16:56.265 When you go shopping, do you, you know, consciously look 0:16:56.345 --> 0:16:59.345 for items that are versatile enough for your non lawyer life, 0:16:59.425 --> 0:17:02.705 for you know, the weekends. Do you find that it's 0:17:02.745 --> 0:17:06.625 the way you style items that then means they're versatile. Yeah. 0:17:06.665 --> 0:17:09.865 For me, I don't shop for work where anymore. I 0:17:09.945 --> 0:17:13.985 shop for just my wardrobe, but I do want to 0:17:14.105 --> 0:17:16.345 ensure that it can be styled for both, and so 0:17:16.585 --> 0:17:19.505 there has to be an element of elevation to it. 0:17:19.545 --> 0:17:21.305 There has to be something a little bit dressy about 0:17:21.345 --> 0:17:23.425 it or I would feel comfortable wearing it to the office. 0:17:23.505 --> 0:17:23.705 Yeah. 0:17:23.785 --> 0:17:26.745 Sure, and that's when I can justify adding something to 0:17:26.785 --> 0:17:28.945 my wardrobe. There is an element of that, for sure. 0:17:29.225 --> 0:17:32.065