1 00:00:11,064 --> 00:00:14,104 Speaker 1: So much you're listening to Amma Mia podcast. 2 00:00:14,784 --> 00:00:18,664 Speaker 2: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders 3 00:00:18,704 --> 00:00:26,624 Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome 4 00:00:26,624 --> 00:00:29,344 Speaker 2: to this Spill your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura 5 00:00:29,344 --> 00:00:31,824 Speaker 2: Brodneck and I'm Cassanu lu Kitch and coming up on 6 00:00:31,864 --> 00:00:33,464 Speaker 2: the show today, we're going to be talking about the 7 00:00:33,544 --> 00:00:36,464 Speaker 2: life and legacy of an incredible Hollywood actress who very 8 00:00:36,504 --> 00:00:39,744 Speaker 2: sadly passed away over the weekend. Plus, it's been over 9 00:00:39,784 --> 00:00:42,304 Speaker 2: a week since Taylor Swift's new album came out and 10 00:00:42,664 --> 00:00:44,504 Speaker 2: there is so much more to discuss. There has been 11 00:00:44,504 --> 00:00:46,464 Speaker 2: a lot of fallout with a lot of big celebrities 12 00:00:46,464 --> 00:00:48,424 Speaker 2: who have been pulled into her orbit, So we're going 13 00:00:48,464 --> 00:00:49,024 Speaker 2: to get into that. 14 00:00:49,144 --> 00:00:54,184 Speaker 3: But first, the Australian version of Traitors is returning for 15 00:00:54,464 --> 00:00:57,504 Speaker 3: season three and we've got a fullcast list now. I 16 00:00:57,584 --> 00:01:00,184 Speaker 3: don't know if you guys are familiar with Traitors, this 17 00:01:00,384 --> 00:01:01,744 Speaker 3: reality TV show. 18 00:01:02,104 --> 00:01:03,664 Speaker 1: Have you seen it before? No? 19 00:01:03,784 --> 00:01:06,104 Speaker 2: I have it. I'm super aware of how big the 20 00:01:06,224 --> 00:01:09,984 Speaker 2: UK one's gotten and how it overtakes their entire world 21 00:01:09,984 --> 00:01:12,384 Speaker 2: and con station, kind of like with Married at First 22 00:01:12,424 --> 00:01:14,504 Speaker 2: Sight here when it's at its peak. But I think 23 00:01:14,544 --> 00:01:16,544 Speaker 2: this is the first time, maybe because of how big 24 00:01:16,544 --> 00:01:18,584 Speaker 2: the UK one's gotten, this is the first time people 25 00:01:18,624 --> 00:01:20,784 Speaker 2: have been really invested in the Australian series. 26 00:01:20,984 --> 00:01:23,424 Speaker 3: Yeah, so it basically I didn't know much about it 27 00:01:23,464 --> 00:01:25,744 Speaker 3: and I haven't seen the series yet, but what I 28 00:01:25,784 --> 00:01:27,664 Speaker 3: found out is so this is the third season. They 29 00:01:27,744 --> 00:01:30,624 Speaker 3: put it on hiatus back in twenty twenty three and 30 00:01:31,304 --> 00:01:33,224 Speaker 3: it's kind of returning now for the first time. I 31 00:01:33,224 --> 00:01:36,104 Speaker 3: think off the back of the success of the UK version. 32 00:01:36,584 --> 00:01:38,384 Speaker 3: Now they've released the cast list, it's going to be 33 00:01:38,424 --> 00:01:41,184 Speaker 3: airing next year. I've got to say it's not as 34 00:01:41,224 --> 00:01:43,944 Speaker 3: exciting as the UK cast list. 35 00:01:43,944 --> 00:01:46,504 Speaker 2: Yeah, because the UK cast list has some really big names, 36 00:01:46,704 --> 00:01:47,784 Speaker 2: especially in the last season. 37 00:01:48,024 --> 00:01:50,984 Speaker 3: Let's start with the newest cast list for The Trader's 38 00:01:51,064 --> 00:01:53,104 Speaker 3: UK just to get like a bit of a baseline 39 00:01:53,104 --> 00:01:57,504 Speaker 3: of what we're working with. We've got Stephen Frye iconic, yes, 40 00:01:57,584 --> 00:02:00,384 Speaker 3: Alan Carr oh incredible, Tom. 41 00:02:00,144 --> 00:02:05,544 Speaker 2: Daily so the Diver he kmits love him. And Celia 42 00:02:05,584 --> 00:02:09,224 Speaker 2: Imri yeah, like a world class actress. And also Paloma 43 00:02:09,264 --> 00:02:12,464 Speaker 2: Faith a singer. Yeah, and who's known also for just 44 00:02:12,464 --> 00:02:14,864 Speaker 2: being like hilarious and saying anything that's on her mind and. 45 00:02:14,904 --> 00:02:17,144 Speaker 3: They're doing it in a Scottish castle in the Highlands, 46 00:02:17,184 --> 00:02:20,784 Speaker 3: like it is such a huge production. And then we 47 00:02:20,944 --> 00:02:24,024 Speaker 3: turn to the Australian version. It feels a bit like 48 00:02:24,104 --> 00:02:26,384 Speaker 3: the TMO version. In Australia, we have like a lot 49 00:02:26,384 --> 00:02:28,704 Speaker 3: of people who just do the reality TV circuit and 50 00:02:28,744 --> 00:02:30,624 Speaker 3: sort of go on like all the different shows that 51 00:02:30,664 --> 00:02:33,544 Speaker 3: pop up, and I guess people enjoy seeing them on screen. 52 00:02:33,584 --> 00:02:35,624 Speaker 3: But what this list doesn't have that list of kind 53 00:02:35,664 --> 00:02:38,824 Speaker 3: of like big name actors, big name comedians, musicians, all 54 00:02:38,824 --> 00:02:40,984 Speaker 3: that sort of thing. Yeah, so we've got Kiera maguire 55 00:02:41,024 --> 00:02:45,704 Speaker 3: from The Bachelor, We've got Cam Merchant from Maths gamble Bro, 56 00:02:45,944 --> 00:02:49,384 Speaker 3: Real Housewives for Melbourne, Chrissy Marsh Real Housewives of Sydney. 57 00:02:49,464 --> 00:02:53,104 Speaker 3: We've got Dicko from Australian Idol and Costomer what else 58 00:02:53,144 --> 00:02:55,024 Speaker 3: throwback I mean from Australia. 59 00:02:55,064 --> 00:02:56,944 Speaker 2: That's the interesting thing is a lot of these people 60 00:02:56,984 --> 00:02:59,024 Speaker 2: haven't been on reality t FEE for a while. Like 61 00:02:59,064 --> 00:03:01,144 Speaker 2: we haven't seen Kieran MacGuire for a while, we haven't 62 00:03:01,144 --> 00:03:04,384 Speaker 2: seen Costomer for many many years. Even Dicko hasn't It's 63 00:03:04,384 --> 00:03:06,064 Speaker 2: been like a while since he did a stint. So 64 00:03:06,344 --> 00:03:08,384 Speaker 2: it's a few people resurfacing. 65 00:03:08,224 --> 00:03:10,384 Speaker 3: I know, and I just think that it feels a 66 00:03:10,424 --> 00:03:14,304 Speaker 3: little bit lackluster. But my sense is that because this 67 00:03:14,344 --> 00:03:16,664 Speaker 3: is the first season, they're rebooting it as a celebrity 68 00:03:16,744 --> 00:03:20,744 Speaker 3: version perhaps after this season if it is successful, because 69 00:03:20,784 --> 00:03:23,424 Speaker 3: it's being hosted by Greater Colleen, who is you know, 70 00:03:23,664 --> 00:03:27,744 Speaker 3: famous for her Big Brother hosting back in the day, 71 00:03:27,904 --> 00:03:29,984 Speaker 3: and I feel like she could probably bring a bit 72 00:03:30,024 --> 00:03:33,664 Speaker 3: of gravitas to this. I'm hoping that maybe after this season, 73 00:03:33,744 --> 00:03:35,864 Speaker 3: if it goes well, we can get some more sort 74 00:03:35,864 --> 00:03:38,904 Speaker 3: of big Aussie stars and maybe they'll do what I'm 75 00:03:38,904 --> 00:03:41,904 Speaker 3: a celebrity get me out of here did, and you know, 76 00:03:41,984 --> 00:03:44,264 Speaker 3: have that one big international star but they spend all 77 00:03:44,304 --> 00:03:47,024 Speaker 3: their money on. But yeah, look, I am looking forward 78 00:03:47,064 --> 00:03:49,104 Speaker 3: to seeing it because it does have such a huge 79 00:03:49,184 --> 00:03:51,664 Speaker 3: cult following in the UK. I might have to sort 80 00:03:51,704 --> 00:03:54,744 Speaker 3: of go back and watch a UK version and then compare. 81 00:03:54,944 --> 00:03:57,264 Speaker 2: I guess it all depends on what the storylines they 82 00:03:57,264 --> 00:03:59,024 Speaker 2: bring to it, because I don't think a certain level 83 00:03:59,064 --> 00:04:01,584 Speaker 2: of fame means the storylines are more interesting. It's more 84 00:04:01,624 --> 00:04:03,344 Speaker 2: just that the UK version are people who are just 85 00:04:03,424 --> 00:04:06,464 Speaker 2: genuinely wildly interesting to watch, and we usually don't get 86 00:04:06,464 --> 00:04:08,464 Speaker 2: them in this setting. Like if you see those clips 87 00:04:08,464 --> 00:04:10,784 Speaker 2: of like not to spoiler anything, but like and Car 88 00:04:10,864 --> 00:04:13,424 Speaker 2: like portraying one of his best friends on that show, 89 00:04:13,464 --> 00:04:15,864 Speaker 2: Like that's just iconic TV. It's not their fane level. 90 00:04:16,104 --> 00:04:18,104 Speaker 2: So like this a Strain version might be great. I 91 00:04:18,104 --> 00:04:21,144 Speaker 2: think the American one it was like Tom Sandvill coming 92 00:04:21,144 --> 00:04:24,344 Speaker 2: in and having this big redemption arc and people got 93 00:04:24,424 --> 00:04:26,264 Speaker 2: very invested in that. And yes he's famous, but he's 94 00:04:26,264 --> 00:04:28,504 Speaker 2: not movie star famous. It was just like and here's 95 00:04:28,544 --> 00:04:31,304 Speaker 2: like interactions with like Krishelle and the other people. It 96 00:04:31,424 --> 00:04:34,024 Speaker 2: was just good TV because of the storyline. So maybe 97 00:04:34,024 --> 00:04:35,464 Speaker 2: this will be good, but it's hard to say until 98 00:04:35,464 --> 00:04:35,824 Speaker 2: we see it. 99 00:04:35,864 --> 00:04:37,624 Speaker 3: If you guys don't know what the premise is of 100 00:04:37,664 --> 00:04:39,624 Speaker 3: this show, because I had to look it up. So basically, 101 00:04:39,664 --> 00:04:43,744 Speaker 3: they all go into this like spooky location and they 102 00:04:43,744 --> 00:04:46,824 Speaker 3: have traitors and faithful, so they kind of split into 103 00:04:46,824 --> 00:04:48,984 Speaker 3: groups and they have to figure out who is a 104 00:04:48,984 --> 00:04:52,344 Speaker 3: trade out and who is faithful through all of these 105 00:04:52,384 --> 00:04:55,264 Speaker 3: different games and it's kind of very much a who 106 00:04:55,344 --> 00:05:00,264 Speaker 3: done it situation? And then they murder people each night 107 00:05:01,464 --> 00:05:03,144 Speaker 3: and that just means they get eliminated, not. 108 00:05:03,224 --> 00:05:05,344 Speaker 2: Yeah, and they get into those coffins and they close, right, 109 00:05:05,384 --> 00:05:07,744 Speaker 2: that's how you know they're gone. It's very dramatic, it's 110 00:05:07,904 --> 00:05:08,624 Speaker 2: very dark. 111 00:05:09,024 --> 00:05:09,784 Speaker 1: I kind of love it. 112 00:05:10,024 --> 00:05:11,584 Speaker 3: But they and yeah, they win a prize at the 113 00:05:11,624 --> 00:05:13,384 Speaker 3: end if they get rid of all of the traders, 114 00:05:13,384 --> 00:05:15,544 Speaker 3: and if not, they lose, and that's the gang and 115 00:05:15,544 --> 00:05:15,984 Speaker 3: so at Lisa. 116 00:05:16,024 --> 00:05:16,784 Speaker 2: Stakes are high. 117 00:05:16,984 --> 00:05:18,904 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I don't know how much money they're 118 00:05:18,904 --> 00:05:20,384 Speaker 3: winning that. It seems that this is going to be 119 00:05:20,424 --> 00:05:22,544 Speaker 3: airing next year. I don't have an exact air date, 120 00:05:22,704 --> 00:05:25,504 Speaker 3: but it'll be interesting to see how it goes. 121 00:05:27,424 --> 00:05:32,024 Speaker 4: Dianne Keaton, arguably the most covered up person in the 122 00:05:32,104 --> 00:05:40,624 Speaker 4: history of clothes, is also a transparent woman. There's nobody 123 00:05:40,704 --> 00:05:46,184 Speaker 4: who stands more exposed, more undefended, and just willing to 124 00:05:46,304 --> 00:05:48,064 Speaker 4: show herself inside and out. 125 00:05:48,584 --> 00:05:51,304 Speaker 2: So over the weekend Sunday, our time here in Australia, 126 00:05:51,304 --> 00:05:53,024 Speaker 2: a lot of people woke up to the very sad 127 00:05:53,104 --> 00:05:56,664 Speaker 2: news that legendary actress Diane Keaton had sadly passed away 128 00:05:56,984 --> 00:05:58,224 Speaker 2: at the age of seventy nine. 129 00:05:58,784 --> 00:06:00,264 Speaker 3: It was such a shocking it was like, that was 130 00:06:00,264 --> 00:06:01,824 Speaker 3: the first thing I saw when I woke up on 131 00:06:01,864 --> 00:06:05,424 Speaker 3: Sunday morning, and I actually audibly gasped because I was 132 00:06:05,464 --> 00:06:08,184 Speaker 3: so sad about it. She was such a fixture in 133 00:06:08,224 --> 00:06:14,024 Speaker 3: the Hollywood culture and so many incredible stories about her life. 134 00:06:14,024 --> 00:06:15,824 Speaker 1: She's just such an icon. 135 00:06:16,384 --> 00:06:18,344 Speaker 2: Yeah. So she's someone that we've talked about many times 136 00:06:18,384 --> 00:06:20,384 Speaker 2: in this podcast, just because I guess that she's started 137 00:06:20,384 --> 00:06:22,304 Speaker 2: in so many iconic movies and there are so many 138 00:06:22,504 --> 00:06:24,704 Speaker 2: behind the scene stories that have made up the fabric 139 00:06:24,744 --> 00:06:27,824 Speaker 2: of Hollywood over time. But she appeared in sixty films 140 00:06:27,904 --> 00:06:32,424 Speaker 2: during her career, performed in more than like twenty television roles, 141 00:06:32,624 --> 00:06:35,784 Speaker 2: was also a very well regarded critical acclaimed director, and 142 00:06:35,864 --> 00:06:39,224 Speaker 2: had four Best Actress nominations, and she won in nineteen 143 00:06:39,304 --> 00:06:41,904 Speaker 2: seventy seven for Annie Hall, which was one of her 144 00:06:42,104 --> 00:06:45,424 Speaker 2: very big, first iconic roles and one of those movie 145 00:06:45,504 --> 00:06:47,504 Speaker 2: roles that has stayed with her. Not just because of how 146 00:06:47,584 --> 00:06:50,864 Speaker 2: much the fashion in the movie mirrored this iconic look 147 00:06:50,904 --> 00:06:53,104 Speaker 2: that she always had over the years, with the suits 148 00:06:53,104 --> 00:06:54,944 Speaker 2: and the jackets and the tires and the hats and 149 00:06:54,984 --> 00:06:59,664 Speaker 2: this very quirky, androgynous look that she carried through her career, 150 00:06:59,744 --> 00:07:02,224 Speaker 2: but also because some of the dialogue was based on her, 151 00:07:02,304 --> 00:07:04,864 Speaker 2: and that was her first big collaboration with Woody Allen. 152 00:07:05,064 --> 00:07:07,424 Speaker 3: Yeah, and so in this movie, Annie Hall is kind 153 00:07:07,464 --> 00:07:11,344 Speaker 3: of that quintessential Woody Allen film, and you know, it 154 00:07:11,384 --> 00:07:15,344 Speaker 3: really is that neurotic New Yorker and this love story 155 00:07:15,464 --> 00:07:18,864 Speaker 3: is very quirky. And Diane Katon was made famous in 156 00:07:18,904 --> 00:07:22,144 Speaker 3: that movie by she actually dressed herself in that movie. 157 00:07:22,464 --> 00:07:25,064 Speaker 1: And that's where we get that you know, baggy. 158 00:07:24,744 --> 00:07:29,104 Speaker 3: Khuky pants and oversized bowler hats and you know, suiting, 159 00:07:29,664 --> 00:07:33,184 Speaker 3: and it really was such an important part of culture. 160 00:07:33,664 --> 00:07:36,064 Speaker 2: Yes, so that was sort of her style over the 161 00:07:36,144 --> 00:07:37,784 Speaker 2: years that she became just as well known for her 162 00:07:37,824 --> 00:07:40,344 Speaker 2: movie roles as she did for the way she did 163 00:07:40,464 --> 00:07:42,984 Speaker 2: interviews and the way she sort of moved through the world. 164 00:07:43,024 --> 00:07:47,264 Speaker 2: She was almost this anti fame, anti Hollywood person, which 165 00:07:47,344 --> 00:07:48,984 Speaker 2: for a lot of other people would see them kind 166 00:07:48,984 --> 00:07:51,944 Speaker 2: of move out of the conversation, especially as they got older, 167 00:07:51,984 --> 00:07:54,984 Speaker 2: but for Diane Keaton it made her almost more popular 168 00:07:54,984 --> 00:07:56,664 Speaker 2: with the new generation of fans. It seemed to make 169 00:07:56,664 --> 00:07:59,104 Speaker 2: her more popular in Hollywood because she would just go 170 00:07:59,144 --> 00:08:01,144 Speaker 2: on talk shows or do press runs and just say 171 00:08:01,144 --> 00:08:04,144 Speaker 2: whatever she wanted and not say whatever she wanted bad way, 172 00:08:04,224 --> 00:08:05,944 Speaker 2: but she just seemed to be so out of the 173 00:08:05,984 --> 00:08:08,864 Speaker 2: world of Hollywood despite being one of our biggest stars, 174 00:08:09,304 --> 00:08:11,384 Speaker 2: she sudden filmed such a as you said, Annie Hall, 175 00:08:11,704 --> 00:08:13,264 Speaker 2: A lot of people know her from Something That's got 176 00:08:13,304 --> 00:08:16,184 Speaker 2: to Give, The Godfather movies. I mean, I loved her 177 00:08:16,184 --> 00:08:17,944 Speaker 2: in so many movies, but personally, and I'd have to 178 00:08:17,984 --> 00:08:20,584 Speaker 2: say The First Wives Club and The Family Stone, which 179 00:08:20,744 --> 00:08:22,064 Speaker 2: is going to be hard for us all to watch 180 00:08:22,064 --> 00:08:22,904 Speaker 2: at Christmas this year. 181 00:08:23,104 --> 00:08:24,384 Speaker 1: The First Wives Club. 182 00:08:24,904 --> 00:08:30,584 Speaker 3: That song from that movie is the anthem of feminism. Yeah, 183 00:08:30,584 --> 00:08:32,664 Speaker 3: I absolutely love that movie as well. I mean, I 184 00:08:32,704 --> 00:08:35,424 Speaker 3: love The Godfather. I do think it's a pretty incredible 185 00:08:35,504 --> 00:08:37,464 Speaker 3: role for her, and that's kind of where she started. 186 00:08:37,824 --> 00:08:41,384 Speaker 3: But for our generation, it probably was that that Family Stone, 187 00:08:41,504 --> 00:08:42,344 Speaker 3: Something's got to Give. 188 00:08:42,384 --> 00:08:44,824 Speaker 1: That's kind of where we would have mostly seen her. 189 00:08:45,184 --> 00:08:47,544 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting how she was never like positioned as 190 00:08:47,584 --> 00:08:50,104 Speaker 2: a Hollywood power player, but because of the film she 191 00:08:50,184 --> 00:08:53,024 Speaker 2: was in, Like The First Wives Club was such a 192 00:08:53,104 --> 00:08:55,624 Speaker 2: huge hit and it became such a big money maker 193 00:08:55,664 --> 00:08:58,104 Speaker 2: at the box office at a time when these kind 194 00:08:58,104 --> 00:09:00,864 Speaker 2: of female led films were still seen as a little 195 00:09:00,864 --> 00:09:03,344 Speaker 2: bit of vanity projects. Especially at the time because if 196 00:09:03,384 --> 00:09:06,264 Speaker 2: anyone hasn't seen that movie, which it holds up so 197 00:09:06,464 --> 00:09:09,304 Speaker 2: well It's one of the few movies where even now, 198 00:09:09,344 --> 00:09:11,584 Speaker 2: like over thirty years, you're like, oh, it's still hit 199 00:09:11,704 --> 00:09:15,504 Speaker 2: so hard. And the lead actresses were Goldie Horn, Bette Midler, 200 00:09:15,504 --> 00:09:18,544 Speaker 2: and Diane Keaton, who were all in their forties and 201 00:09:18,584 --> 00:09:21,424 Speaker 2: fifties at the time, and that was also seen as like, 202 00:09:21,464 --> 00:09:23,824 Speaker 2: who's going to watch a movie about women that age, 203 00:09:24,064 --> 00:09:26,544 Speaker 2: And it became this huge success and it's got like 204 00:09:26,584 --> 00:09:28,904 Speaker 2: Maggie Smith and at Sarah, Jessica Parker, Victor Garba, all 205 00:09:28,904 --> 00:09:32,184 Speaker 2: these big names, and of course Hollywood, when there's like 206 00:09:32,184 --> 00:09:33,864 Speaker 2: a big hit like that, the first thing they think 207 00:09:33,944 --> 00:09:36,544 Speaker 2: is like, how can we make a sequel? And all 208 00:09:36,544 --> 00:09:39,584 Speaker 2: the actresses, so Diane Keaton, Goldiehorn, and Bett Middler all 209 00:09:39,704 --> 00:09:43,184 Speaker 2: banded together and so they would absolutely do a sequel 210 00:09:43,224 --> 00:09:45,744 Speaker 2: because they became such good friends on that movie. And 211 00:09:45,784 --> 00:09:47,624 Speaker 2: then they went to the studio and said, well, since 212 00:09:47,664 --> 00:09:50,064 Speaker 2: it's made this much money, then can we get a 213 00:09:50,104 --> 00:09:52,624 Speaker 2: pay rise for the second movie? That's fair because everyone 214 00:09:52,624 --> 00:09:54,624 Speaker 2: else is getting a pay rise to studio the directors, 215 00:09:54,904 --> 00:09:57,224 Speaker 2: and they basically said no. So all the women banded 216 00:09:57,224 --> 00:09:59,064 Speaker 2: together and they said, we know you love this movie, 217 00:09:59,064 --> 00:10:01,304 Speaker 2: but we will not make a sequel unless you pay 218 00:10:01,384 --> 00:10:03,624 Speaker 2: us what we're worth, and dian Keaton has always stood 219 00:10:03,624 --> 00:10:05,464 Speaker 2: by that and saying like, it's not about the money, 220 00:10:05,504 --> 00:10:07,104 Speaker 2: it's about the respect in the industry. 221 00:10:07,264 --> 00:10:09,384 Speaker 3: Yeah, and we know that, you know, women have been 222 00:10:09,424 --> 00:10:13,744 Speaker 3: paid less in Hollywood and everywhere else. But that's kind 223 00:10:13,744 --> 00:10:16,464 Speaker 3: of that first time of fanning together, showing their power 224 00:10:17,064 --> 00:10:20,064 Speaker 3: and saying, no, you need us, we are going to 225 00:10:20,064 --> 00:10:20,384 Speaker 3: do it. 226 00:10:20,424 --> 00:10:23,064 Speaker 1: And she was like that though. I feel she really had. 227 00:10:22,864 --> 00:10:27,024 Speaker 3: That sense of power and strength and righteousness as well. 228 00:10:27,064 --> 00:10:28,904 Speaker 3: I feel like, like, you know, she was always like 229 00:10:28,984 --> 00:10:32,264 Speaker 3: wanting to be on the right side of things morality, 230 00:10:32,304 --> 00:10:32,464 Speaker 3: you know. 231 00:10:32,944 --> 00:10:35,664 Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like especially like in her like sixties 232 00:10:35,664 --> 00:10:38,384 Speaker 2: and seventies and coming into like those last decades of 233 00:10:38,384 --> 00:10:40,304 Speaker 2: her career where she was, you know, still working quite 234 00:10:40,304 --> 00:10:42,544 Speaker 2: a bit instill doing the press rounds. She was kind 235 00:10:42,584 --> 00:10:44,544 Speaker 2: of known as being like a bit more eccentric. 236 00:10:44,744 --> 00:10:44,944 Speaker 1: You know. 237 00:10:44,984 --> 00:10:46,584 Speaker 2: She'd go on The Ellen Show and talk about how 238 00:10:46,624 --> 00:10:48,544 Speaker 2: much she loves Justin Bieber, and then Justin bie would 239 00:10:48,544 --> 00:10:50,864 Speaker 2: come out to surprise her and she's fangirling and throwing 240 00:10:50,864 --> 00:10:53,464 Speaker 2: her hands up in the air. Or she would go 241 00:10:53,544 --> 00:10:55,824 Speaker 2: on Jimmy Fallon and this is how Unhollywood he was, 242 00:10:55,864 --> 00:10:57,584 Speaker 2: and he read like a list of people who had 243 00:10:57,584 --> 00:10:59,864 Speaker 2: shown up to this event to honor her, and he's like, 244 00:11:00,024 --> 00:11:02,064 Speaker 2: these people are your friends, and she was like, well, no, 245 00:11:02,144 --> 00:11:04,024 Speaker 2: they work friends, like I don't hang out with them 246 00:11:04,064 --> 00:11:05,704 Speaker 2: in a nice way. She's like I know what real 247 00:11:05,704 --> 00:11:07,784 Speaker 2: friends are, and like these are my colleagues. And he's like, 248 00:11:07,824 --> 00:11:10,504 Speaker 2: so Meryl Streep's not your friend. And Diane Kington like, 249 00:11:10,544 --> 00:11:12,624 Speaker 2: well she doesn't call me, so no, I don't spend 250 00:11:12,624 --> 00:11:15,064 Speaker 2: any time with her, and he's like Sarah Silverman. She's like, yeah, 251 00:11:15,104 --> 00:11:16,944 Speaker 2: she's nice. She's a woman, you know. And he's like, yeah, 252 00:11:16,944 --> 00:11:18,984 Speaker 2: I know because he's dated her for ages. And then 253 00:11:19,064 --> 00:11:21,144 Speaker 2: like Reese Witherspoon, she was like, oh, I only knew 254 00:11:21,184 --> 00:11:23,344 Speaker 2: when her when she was a child. Like she's wonderful, 255 00:11:23,384 --> 00:11:26,064 Speaker 2: but she's not my friend. Like everyone Pollywood wanted to 256 00:11:26,104 --> 00:11:28,344 Speaker 2: be Diane Keaton's friend, and she was all like just 257 00:11:28,424 --> 00:11:31,184 Speaker 2: very much like you're all wonderful people, but I'm not 258 00:11:31,264 --> 00:11:34,704 Speaker 2: cloud chasing by going after you. And so she kind 259 00:11:34,744 --> 00:11:36,344 Speaker 2: of had that and like the way she dressed and 260 00:11:36,344 --> 00:11:38,464 Speaker 2: everything very eccentric, but was also a bit of like 261 00:11:38,544 --> 00:11:41,024 Speaker 2: a not a ball buster that's like a very nineties term. 262 00:11:41,064 --> 00:11:43,424 Speaker 2: But there's a story of how when she was dating 263 00:11:44,184 --> 00:11:47,344 Speaker 2: is that. It's what I think why it just seems 264 00:11:47,384 --> 00:11:50,824 Speaker 2: to suit her, Like it's like a ballbuster. She's like abroad, 265 00:11:50,904 --> 00:11:53,584 Speaker 2: she's like a like she dropped out of her that phrase, 266 00:11:53,744 --> 00:11:56,024 Speaker 2: it's so long. I just think when you hear about 267 00:11:56,024 --> 00:11:57,384 Speaker 2: her life story, like she was I think it was 268 00:11:57,384 --> 00:11:59,184 Speaker 2: one of four kids. Her mom was a stay at 269 00:11:59,184 --> 00:12:01,064 Speaker 2: home mom, her dad works like a nine to five. 270 00:12:01,104 --> 00:12:03,024 Speaker 2: There was like she was one of many kids. But 271 00:12:03,104 --> 00:12:05,064 Speaker 2: she always kind of wanted to be an actress. I 272 00:12:05,104 --> 00:12:07,064 Speaker 2: think she was going to college and then she dropped 273 00:12:07,104 --> 00:12:09,264 Speaker 2: out to go and be a full time actress and 274 00:12:09,384 --> 00:12:11,424 Speaker 2: worked her way up and all these like theater roles 275 00:12:11,464 --> 00:12:13,944 Speaker 2: before she got her first big breakout movie role. We 276 00:12:13,984 --> 00:12:16,624 Speaker 2: always talked about like Carrie Bradshaw being the ultimate single girl, 277 00:12:16,664 --> 00:12:19,584 Speaker 2: but I actually feel like Diane Keaton is the ultimate 278 00:12:19,664 --> 00:12:22,584 Speaker 2: single girl because she had a lot of these very 279 00:12:22,624 --> 00:12:25,664 Speaker 2: long term relationships with like al Patino and like Warren 280 00:12:25,704 --> 00:12:28,784 Speaker 2: Baty and Woody Allen and everything, But she always said 281 00:12:28,784 --> 00:12:31,304 Speaker 2: that she would never ever get married and that she 282 00:12:31,584 --> 00:12:33,504 Speaker 2: just wanted to be a single woman. That's how she 283 00:12:33,544 --> 00:12:35,464 Speaker 2: was at her happiest. But there's a story of when 284 00:12:35,464 --> 00:12:38,104 Speaker 2: she was with al Pacino and he was in all 285 00:12:38,104 --> 00:12:40,584 Speaker 2: these big movies, but like there was something about his 286 00:12:40,704 --> 00:12:43,304 Speaker 2: manager not like and his accountant not saving any money 287 00:12:43,304 --> 00:12:45,144 Speaker 2: for him and not investing it, and he was running 288 00:12:45,144 --> 00:12:47,104 Speaker 2: out of money, and Dian Keenan basically got on the 289 00:12:47,144 --> 00:12:49,704 Speaker 2: phone with like his accountant and was yelling at them 290 00:12:50,144 --> 00:12:53,104 Speaker 2: to kind of fix his finances, pay him what he's worth, 291 00:12:53,304 --> 00:12:55,704 Speaker 2: fix things up. And like al Patino, who at the time, 292 00:12:55,744 --> 00:12:58,144 Speaker 2: like everyone's like he's like the god of Hollywood, the 293 00:12:58,184 --> 00:13:01,744 Speaker 2: most powerful man, but he like cowered behind Diane Keaton, 294 00:13:01,904 --> 00:13:05,024 Speaker 2: like ripping his team apart, and kind of spoke about 295 00:13:05,024 --> 00:13:06,704 Speaker 2: the fact that she was the one who fixed his 296 00:13:06,744 --> 00:13:07,704 Speaker 2: life and finances. 297 00:13:07,784 --> 00:13:10,864 Speaker 3: Yes, well they were together, scar faced, you know, pinnacle 298 00:13:10,904 --> 00:13:11,904 Speaker 3: of masculinity. 299 00:13:12,064 --> 00:13:14,904 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, s cowering behind her. Yeah. 300 00:13:15,104 --> 00:13:17,104 Speaker 3: One of the stories I loved that was also like 301 00:13:17,184 --> 00:13:20,504 Speaker 3: in that dating she actually stated Steve jobs for a while, 302 00:13:20,544 --> 00:13:23,224 Speaker 3: which I didn't realize, and I thought that was so funny. 303 00:13:23,424 --> 00:13:25,184 Speaker 3: And she broke up with him, and the quote that 304 00:13:25,344 --> 00:13:29,144 Speaker 3: she gives as to the reason is he'd start saying 305 00:13:29,144 --> 00:13:31,944 Speaker 3: things about the computer and I'm going, I have no interest, 306 00:13:32,144 --> 00:13:35,064 Speaker 3: do you believe it, Like she she basically like he 307 00:13:35,144 --> 00:13:40,664 Speaker 3: was too much of the nerds yo, and she's like, no, 308 00:13:40,744 --> 00:13:42,504 Speaker 3: I don't like computers. You're a bit of a nerd, 309 00:13:42,664 --> 00:13:43,944 Speaker 3: Like like I'm gonna go. Yeah. 310 00:13:43,984 --> 00:13:46,144 Speaker 2: There's that story that she talks about when she was 311 00:13:46,184 --> 00:13:48,264 Speaker 2: in high school and some guy and this is a 312 00:13:48,304 --> 00:13:50,144 Speaker 2: weird thing for a fellow classmate to say, but I 313 00:13:50,144 --> 00:13:52,864 Speaker 2: guess it was of a time said to her something like, oh, Diane, 314 00:13:52,904 --> 00:13:54,824 Speaker 2: you're going to make the best wife. And she said, 315 00:13:54,864 --> 00:13:56,944 Speaker 2: in that moment in high school, she just thought to herself, 316 00:13:57,184 --> 00:13:58,744 Speaker 2: I don't want to be a wife. That's not what 317 00:13:58,784 --> 00:14:00,744 Speaker 2: I see for myself. That's not what's going to make 318 00:14:00,784 --> 00:14:03,464 Speaker 2: me happy. And she kind of like clung to that 319 00:14:03,544 --> 00:14:05,824 Speaker 2: all through like her fame and like all of these 320 00:14:05,944 --> 00:14:09,624 Speaker 2: very famous, gorgeous men pursuing her. Then in her fifties, 321 00:14:09,664 --> 00:14:12,384 Speaker 2: she adopted two children, a son and a daughter, and 322 00:14:12,504 --> 00:14:14,184 Speaker 2: was like very very close to them. You can see 323 00:14:14,184 --> 00:14:16,784 Speaker 2: her like as they kind of became adults, her like 324 00:14:17,104 --> 00:14:19,544 Speaker 2: walking down red carpets, hugging them and like her at 325 00:14:19,544 --> 00:14:21,984 Speaker 2: events with them, and her talking about how like adopting 326 00:14:21,984 --> 00:14:24,304 Speaker 2: these children had been like such a beautiful thing for her, 327 00:14:24,584 --> 00:14:27,784 Speaker 2: but she always pictured herself making a family that way 328 00:14:27,824 --> 00:14:30,104 Speaker 2: and never being married, and not in like an angry 329 00:14:30,224 --> 00:14:33,184 Speaker 2: or dismissive and not that she'd even had her heart broken. 330 00:14:33,304 --> 00:14:35,384 Speaker 2: She was like, this is just my life. And I 331 00:14:35,424 --> 00:14:37,184 Speaker 2: know that doesn't seem like a big deal now for 332 00:14:37,224 --> 00:14:38,704 Speaker 2: a woman to say I'm not going to get married, 333 00:14:39,144 --> 00:14:42,744 Speaker 2: But forty years ago, thirty years ago, that's a huge deal. 334 00:14:42,824 --> 00:14:44,384 Speaker 3: I was actually gonna I was going to say that, 335 00:14:44,504 --> 00:14:46,824 Speaker 3: like if we think about when she's doing all of 336 00:14:46,824 --> 00:14:49,744 Speaker 3: this with seventies and eighties, where women were still in 337 00:14:49,784 --> 00:14:52,424 Speaker 3: some cases not allowed to go and get a mortgage 338 00:14:52,504 --> 00:14:56,584 Speaker 3: without their husband's co signing it. So we're talking about 339 00:14:56,624 --> 00:14:59,264 Speaker 3: making a stance at a time where that's not the norm. 340 00:14:59,904 --> 00:15:02,304 Speaker 3: So the fact that she could still do that in 341 00:15:02,384 --> 00:15:05,824 Speaker 3: that time and stay strong in that and not apologize 342 00:15:05,864 --> 00:15:08,264 Speaker 3: for it either, I think that's quite impressive. 343 00:15:08,584 --> 00:15:12,144 Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's such an incredible legacy, and you can 344 00:15:12,144 --> 00:15:14,144 Speaker 2: see from all the people in Hollywood whoill posted its 345 00:15:14,144 --> 00:15:16,264 Speaker 2: amazing tributes to her, but even more just so like 346 00:15:16,384 --> 00:15:19,384 Speaker 2: when you see real people sharing like their favorite movie 347 00:15:19,424 --> 00:15:21,864 Speaker 2: moments and all the moments we grew up with, Like 348 00:15:21,904 --> 00:15:23,664 Speaker 2: even like the two father of the bride movies and 349 00:15:23,704 --> 00:15:25,584 Speaker 2: all those sorts of things that are like, I think, 350 00:15:25,624 --> 00:15:27,824 Speaker 2: to have an actress who's in all of these dramatic roles, 351 00:15:27,824 --> 00:15:30,784 Speaker 2: but isn't so many people's comfort movies. It's such a 352 00:15:30,864 --> 00:15:33,744 Speaker 2: huge thing. So yes, very sad, but such an incredible 353 00:15:33,744 --> 00:15:37,624 Speaker 2: life that she lived. So it's been over a week 354 00:15:37,664 --> 00:15:39,904 Speaker 2: now since Taylor Swift's new album, The Life of the 355 00:15:39,944 --> 00:15:43,344 Speaker 2: Show Girl came out, and since then, there's been you know, 356 00:15:43,424 --> 00:15:45,904 Speaker 2: over a million headlines around it. It's done millions and 357 00:15:45,944 --> 00:15:48,904 Speaker 2: millions of streams. It's broken so many records. I believe 358 00:15:48,944 --> 00:15:51,944 Speaker 2: at the moment there's maybe twenty eight iterations of the 359 00:15:51,984 --> 00:15:53,944 Speaker 2: album that you can go out and purchase if you 360 00:15:54,584 --> 00:15:57,664 Speaker 2: want to support the Taylor Swift billionaire empire really is 361 00:15:57,744 --> 00:16:00,184 Speaker 2: taking over the world. And even though it's been a 362 00:16:00,184 --> 00:16:03,264 Speaker 2: week and people are sort of expecting that potentially some 363 00:16:03,384 --> 00:16:05,984 Speaker 2: of the headlines around it would start to die down, 364 00:16:06,224 --> 00:16:08,104 Speaker 2: what we're seeing now is it kind of pop up 365 00:16:08,104 --> 00:16:10,544 Speaker 2: in a few different celebrity stories that are wrapped up 366 00:16:10,624 --> 00:16:12,064 Speaker 2: in this album launch. 367 00:16:12,224 --> 00:16:14,024 Speaker 1: We obviously covered it last week. 368 00:16:14,184 --> 00:16:17,864 Speaker 3: You guys did two really wonderful episodes on the album 369 00:16:17,904 --> 00:16:20,704 Speaker 3: and the movie, and you know, I think that now 370 00:16:20,784 --> 00:16:23,464 Speaker 3: we're sort of settling into it. We've seen some of 371 00:16:23,504 --> 00:16:26,904 Speaker 3: the reviews. We're starting to see a little bit of 372 00:16:27,024 --> 00:16:29,424 Speaker 3: negativity come through, and I think that's to be expected 373 00:16:29,504 --> 00:16:32,304 Speaker 3: after like the big blow up and excitement, and then 374 00:16:32,544 --> 00:16:35,304 Speaker 3: you start to kind of get those little stories in between. 375 00:16:35,464 --> 00:16:37,704 Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess everyone's waiting for any kind of celebrity 376 00:16:37,784 --> 00:16:40,264 Speaker 2: name that was wrapped up in it to say something. 377 00:16:40,304 --> 00:16:41,544 Speaker 2: I guess that one of the big ones is that 378 00:16:41,584 --> 00:16:44,984 Speaker 2: everyone was sort of thinking if like Olivia Rodrigo would 379 00:16:45,184 --> 00:16:47,904 Speaker 2: post anything or say anything, and because people think this 380 00:16:48,024 --> 00:16:51,544 Speaker 2: Taylor Swift song father Figure was about her, and she 381 00:16:51,544 --> 00:16:53,504 Speaker 2: hasn't say anything at the time, which I think is 382 00:16:53,544 --> 00:16:55,144 Speaker 2: fair enough because she's not doing a big trot at 383 00:16:55,184 --> 00:16:57,264 Speaker 2: the moment, she's not up on stage. It would seem 384 00:16:57,344 --> 00:16:59,544 Speaker 2: wildly out of place for her just to post something, 385 00:16:59,664 --> 00:17:02,904 Speaker 2: especially because there was legalities and that of Taylor Swift 386 00:17:02,944 --> 00:17:05,264 Speaker 2: having a writing credit on her song after she released it. 387 00:17:05,744 --> 00:17:07,864 Speaker 2: A lot of eyes have been on Blake Lively in 388 00:17:07,944 --> 00:17:11,424 Speaker 2: quite a renewed way, which is interesting because she's been 389 00:17:11,464 --> 00:17:14,584 Speaker 2: a little bit out of the headlines ever since the 390 00:17:14,704 --> 00:17:17,544 Speaker 2: last big blop of her court case with Justin Baldoni. 391 00:17:17,864 --> 00:17:19,944 Speaker 2: And it's almost interesting that now that we think that 392 00:17:20,024 --> 00:17:23,384 Speaker 2: Taylor Swift hasn't broken up their friendship and then she 393 00:17:23,464 --> 00:17:26,904 Speaker 2: and Blake Lively are still very close, which it kind 394 00:17:26,944 --> 00:17:28,824 Speaker 2: of goes against what we've thought for the last couple 395 00:17:28,864 --> 00:17:31,704 Speaker 2: of months, just because in the song Canceled, Taylor obviously 396 00:17:31,744 --> 00:17:34,824 Speaker 2: sings about liking her friends canceled and being the person 397 00:17:35,224 --> 00:17:37,144 Speaker 2: that is there to kind of like help them through this. 398 00:17:37,504 --> 00:17:40,344 Speaker 2: And she's also wearing Blake Lively's jewelry in a lot 399 00:17:40,344 --> 00:17:42,864 Speaker 2: of the images, and I've seen people say like, oh, 400 00:17:42,904 --> 00:17:44,904 Speaker 2: but she could have done that ages ago. Like albums 401 00:17:44,904 --> 00:17:47,424 Speaker 2: take a long time to come out. It's like this 402 00:17:47,544 --> 00:17:49,424 Speaker 2: issue has been going on for like over a year 403 00:17:49,464 --> 00:17:52,464 Speaker 2: between her and Blake. There's no way that a billionaire 404 00:17:52,464 --> 00:17:54,904 Speaker 2: would be releasing photos just because she can't be bothered 405 00:17:54,944 --> 00:17:57,264 Speaker 2: to reshoot them, or she can't be bothered to like 406 00:17:57,344 --> 00:17:59,424 Speaker 2: it's so easy to edit out a bracelet. 407 00:17:59,504 --> 00:18:02,784 Speaker 3: And I feel like she's so intentional with yeah creativity, 408 00:18:02,784 --> 00:18:05,424 Speaker 3: that she's not gonna just like that's not a mistake. 409 00:18:06,184 --> 00:18:08,664 Speaker 2: Yeah. It's interesting because the last lot of headlines that 410 00:18:08,664 --> 00:18:10,664 Speaker 2: are blowt up in the last week are around Blake 411 00:18:10,744 --> 00:18:13,464 Speaker 2: Lively's contract for it ends with us being released the 412 00:18:13,464 --> 00:18:16,584 Speaker 2: world as part of her lawsuit with Justin Baldoni, And 413 00:18:16,624 --> 00:18:18,504 Speaker 2: there were all these bits in there around like things 414 00:18:18,504 --> 00:18:20,864 Speaker 2: that happened behind the scenes, and obviously Taylor's all wrapped 415 00:18:20,944 --> 00:18:23,184 Speaker 2: up in the lawsuit for that, And there was all 416 00:18:23,184 --> 00:18:26,824 Speaker 2: these details from the contracts around different like bonuses she 417 00:18:26,864 --> 00:18:29,784 Speaker 2: would get if if she was for an Oscar, different 418 00:18:29,784 --> 00:18:32,544 Speaker 2: bonuses she would get for box office. And I feel 419 00:18:32,584 --> 00:18:34,584 Speaker 2: like the tides kind of turned on Blake C. Lively 420 00:18:34,664 --> 00:18:36,984 Speaker 2: a little bit. Is like, once upon a time, when 421 00:18:37,024 --> 00:18:39,384 Speaker 2: people thought Taylor hated her, they might have really attacked 422 00:18:39,424 --> 00:18:41,664 Speaker 2: her for that. All the headlines would have been really negative. 423 00:18:41,944 --> 00:18:45,024 Speaker 2: But this time around, all this information came out around 424 00:18:45,024 --> 00:18:47,904 Speaker 2: her contract, and obviously she didn't get any sort of 425 00:18:48,144 --> 00:18:50,864 Speaker 2: critical recognition or Oscar nominations for that movie, Like the 426 00:18:50,904 --> 00:18:51,864 Speaker 2: movie was quite pan. 427 00:18:52,064 --> 00:18:53,264 Speaker 1: I love that there was a clause in there. 428 00:18:53,984 --> 00:18:56,544 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's easy kind of standard. Yeah, is 429 00:18:56,584 --> 00:18:59,104 Speaker 2: like you get like twenty thousand dollars for like a nomination, 430 00:18:59,224 --> 00:19:02,144 Speaker 2: one hundred thousand dollars for a win, all these sorts 431 00:19:02,184 --> 00:19:04,384 Speaker 2: of things, which I think is fairly standard for a 432 00:19:04,384 --> 00:19:07,384 Speaker 2: lot of actors' contracts. If you get an award nomination, 433 00:19:07,464 --> 00:19:08,984 Speaker 2: you get an extra lot of money. 434 00:19:09,104 --> 00:19:10,624 Speaker 1: Wonder what you get if you get a razzie. 435 00:19:10,904 --> 00:19:14,144 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd probably probably deduct money from your from your account, 436 00:19:14,224 --> 00:19:17,104 Speaker 2: fine and you get Yeah, but I think like, yeah, 437 00:19:17,144 --> 00:19:18,984 Speaker 2: with this, it was kind of like interesting, how like 438 00:19:19,064 --> 00:19:21,504 Speaker 2: now that Blake Lively looks back in like the Taylor 439 00:19:21,544 --> 00:19:24,584 Speaker 2: Swift fold, it's kind of changed how fans see her 440 00:19:24,624 --> 00:19:25,064 Speaker 2: a little bit. 441 00:19:25,144 --> 00:19:28,584 Speaker 3: Well, that's because Taylor's army is so influential and they 442 00:19:28,664 --> 00:19:32,504 Speaker 3: run social media. Yeah, like they are, so don't f 443 00:19:32,624 --> 00:19:35,784 Speaker 3: with the Taylor army. You know. One of the ones 444 00:19:35,824 --> 00:19:38,864 Speaker 3: that I kind of picked up on was Charlie XCX 445 00:19:38,984 --> 00:19:42,704 Speaker 3: in her SNL performance with you know, the T shirt 446 00:19:42,744 --> 00:19:46,104 Speaker 3: that she was wearing, the Kansas City T shirt. A 447 00:19:46,104 --> 00:19:48,664 Speaker 3: lot of fans were speculating that this was a bit 448 00:19:48,704 --> 00:19:53,224 Speaker 3: of a slight back at Taylor after her song actually Romantic. 449 00:19:53,824 --> 00:19:56,264 Speaker 3: So we don't have any confirmation of that, but it 450 00:19:56,304 --> 00:19:59,704 Speaker 3: does seem to be that this feud is continuing and 451 00:19:59,744 --> 00:20:02,104 Speaker 3: this does seem to be tensioned between the two of them. 452 00:20:02,424 --> 00:20:05,424 Speaker 2: Yeah. So this happened on the Saturday Night Live episode 453 00:20:05,504 --> 00:20:08,584 Speaker 2: this past weekend with Amy Pohla hosting, So role Model 454 00:20:08,624 --> 00:20:11,544 Speaker 2: came out and performed his viral hit, the moment Sally 455 00:20:11,584 --> 00:20:14,344 Speaker 2: when the line runs out. And what he's been doing 456 00:20:14,384 --> 00:20:16,984 Speaker 2: at all his concerts is bringing out mostly like a 457 00:20:17,024 --> 00:20:19,544 Speaker 2: famous woman, a surprise woman to be like the Sally, 458 00:20:19,824 --> 00:20:21,704 Speaker 2: like Hillary Duft did it recently and it's been a 459 00:20:21,744 --> 00:20:23,944 Speaker 2: whole thing. So when he did on SNL, there was 460 00:20:23,984 --> 00:20:25,704 Speaker 2: such a build up and like that was probably the 461 00:20:25,744 --> 00:20:27,864 Speaker 2: section everyone thought was going to get like a big 462 00:20:28,184 --> 00:20:30,344 Speaker 2: viral life and people would share the clips, so it 463 00:20:30,424 --> 00:20:32,904 Speaker 2: was a big deal of who the Sally was going 464 00:20:32,944 --> 00:20:35,984 Speaker 2: to be on this night. And then Charlie XCX came 465 00:20:36,024 --> 00:20:38,024 Speaker 2: out and there was like a huge reaction to that. 466 00:20:38,464 --> 00:20:40,544 Speaker 2: But then she's yet wearing like a black skirt and 467 00:20:40,624 --> 00:20:44,264 Speaker 2: a T shirt that says Max's Kansas City and obviously 468 00:20:44,824 --> 00:20:48,104 Speaker 2: Travis Kelce, who is Taylor Swift's fiance. If no one's 469 00:20:48,104 --> 00:20:53,624 Speaker 2: heard that news plays for Kansas City football teams the Chiefs. Yes, 470 00:20:54,104 --> 00:20:56,264 Speaker 2: a team I didn't know existed until I heard about him. 471 00:20:56,304 --> 00:20:59,144 Speaker 2: But that's fun. And yeah, some people are thinking that 472 00:20:59,344 --> 00:21:01,584 Speaker 2: it's sort of like a call out to Taylor. I 473 00:21:01,624 --> 00:21:04,144 Speaker 2: don't think it's that. It actually made me think that 474 00:21:04,224 --> 00:21:06,184 Speaker 2: the fallout from that album is kind of like that 475 00:21:06,224 --> 00:21:08,584 Speaker 2: they're having like a fun little game back and forth, 476 00:21:08,984 --> 00:21:10,304 Speaker 2: Like I didn't feel malicious at all. 477 00:21:10,464 --> 00:21:12,624 Speaker 1: I mean, look, I think people could definitely take it. 478 00:21:12,784 --> 00:21:14,504 Speaker 1: There's a lot of different ways you could take. 479 00:21:14,504 --> 00:21:15,864 Speaker 2: Just to teach, so that's what they like. 480 00:21:16,184 --> 00:21:19,664 Speaker 3: She would also know that people go on that, so 481 00:21:19,664 --> 00:21:21,544 Speaker 3: maybe she's just playing along and having a bit of fun. 482 00:21:21,704 --> 00:21:22,904 Speaker 2: I think she's just having a bit of fun with that. 483 00:21:23,024 --> 00:21:25,304 Speaker 3: I feel like she's got that kind of personality where 484 00:21:25,304 --> 00:21:28,344 Speaker 3: she wants to kind of be a bit cheeky, you know. 485 00:21:28,624 --> 00:21:28,864 Speaker 1: Yeah. 486 00:21:28,904 --> 00:21:31,264 Speaker 2: I just think there's two easy ways to read the 487 00:21:31,344 --> 00:21:33,984 Speaker 2: Charlie xx Taylor Swift feud, if that's what you want 488 00:21:34,024 --> 00:21:36,384 Speaker 2: to call it, and it would all be contingent on 489 00:21:36,424 --> 00:21:38,344 Speaker 2: like what's happening behind the scenes, which we don't know. 490 00:21:38,384 --> 00:21:40,664 Speaker 2: All we know is that Charlie released the song simply 491 00:21:40,864 --> 00:21:43,144 Speaker 2: is a Knife, which was very much thought to be 492 00:21:43,184 --> 00:21:46,264 Speaker 2: about Taylor, but it's very much about how she sees 493 00:21:46,344 --> 00:21:48,824 Speaker 2: her as this like superstar she can't compete with in 494 00:21:48,864 --> 00:21:51,864 Speaker 2: her own like feelings of self doubt. And then when 495 00:21:51,904 --> 00:21:55,704 Speaker 2: Taylor Swift released Actually Romantic and that came out and 496 00:21:55,704 --> 00:21:57,944 Speaker 2: like The first line is thought to be about Charlie, 497 00:21:58,304 --> 00:22:00,704 Speaker 2: where she says, I heard you call me boring Barbie 498 00:22:00,704 --> 00:22:02,624 Speaker 2: when the Cookes got you Brave. It's kind of like 499 00:22:02,704 --> 00:22:05,784 Speaker 2: a call to like the whole Charlie XIX brat Girl 500 00:22:05,864 --> 00:22:08,704 Speaker 2: summer and the persona she has there, and the lyrics 501 00:22:08,704 --> 00:22:11,184 Speaker 2: that song are very much around like it's sweet that 502 00:22:11,224 --> 00:22:13,064 Speaker 2: you think about me, but I don't think about you 503 00:22:13,224 --> 00:22:17,144 Speaker 2: at all, which could be really cutting if there's like 504 00:22:17,184 --> 00:22:20,024 Speaker 2: a real riff behind the scenes, but it also just 505 00:22:20,104 --> 00:22:24,584 Speaker 2: could be two musicians who fuel their careers by people 506 00:22:24,664 --> 00:22:27,304 Speaker 2: like reading between the lines of their songs and reading 507 00:22:27,424 --> 00:22:30,184 Speaker 2: between like the secret Easter eggs and the moments and stuff. 508 00:22:30,504 --> 00:22:33,584 Speaker 2: And then Charlie doing the T shirt is a fun, 509 00:22:33,704 --> 00:22:36,584 Speaker 2: cheeky way as like a nod to her without like 510 00:22:36,704 --> 00:22:37,704 Speaker 2: keeping the feud going. 511 00:22:38,144 --> 00:22:39,864 Speaker 3: Yeah, I tend to agree with you there because I 512 00:22:39,944 --> 00:22:43,064 Speaker 3: feel like this is beneficial for both of them, not 513 00:22:43,144 --> 00:22:46,904 Speaker 3: like Taylor needs more pr but it's it's keeping them in. 514 00:22:46,864 --> 00:22:48,744 Speaker 1: The headlines where staying relevant. 515 00:22:48,944 --> 00:22:52,544 Speaker 3: Charlie XCX has got to release new music and Taylor's 516 00:22:52,584 --> 00:22:55,704 Speaker 3: released a new album, and everybody's got to make their money, 517 00:22:55,784 --> 00:22:58,024 Speaker 3: So I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if this was 518 00:22:58,104 --> 00:23:00,104 Speaker 3: just something that they were kind of playing along with 519 00:23:00,144 --> 00:23:02,224 Speaker 3: a little bit more. Yeah, but did you see the 520 00:23:02,304 --> 00:23:05,464 Speaker 3: Lewis Capaldi bit on Graham Norton. 521 00:23:05,584 --> 00:23:07,424 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I did. And the thing is like, at 522 00:23:07,424 --> 00:23:09,264 Speaker 2: the end of the day, like all of these like 523 00:23:09,464 --> 00:23:11,464 Speaker 2: not so much the Blake Lie stuff because I don't 524 00:23:11,464 --> 00:23:14,064 Speaker 2: think she wants any more publicity for that, but the Taylor, 525 00:23:14,144 --> 00:23:16,544 Speaker 2: the Charlie XCX, and the Lewis Capaldi of it all, 526 00:23:16,904 --> 00:23:19,104 Speaker 2: like it is kind of just getting us all talking 527 00:23:19,104 --> 00:23:21,704 Speaker 2: about their albums, which is kind of interesting because you 528 00:23:21,744 --> 00:23:24,984 Speaker 2: think that when you get to be that successful that 529 00:23:25,104 --> 00:23:27,384 Speaker 2: you don't need to be doing all these little like 530 00:23:27,544 --> 00:23:30,184 Speaker 2: almost like stunts and like secret messages and all these 531 00:23:30,184 --> 00:23:33,384 Speaker 2: things back and forth. But Taylor's of herself said on 532 00:23:33,424 --> 00:23:35,544 Speaker 2: the Zane Low podcast this week, She's like, if in 533 00:23:35,584 --> 00:23:38,744 Speaker 2: the first week of my album launch, if you're saying 534 00:23:38,784 --> 00:23:41,384 Speaker 2: my name or the name of my album, then you're helping. 535 00:23:41,704 --> 00:23:44,464 Speaker 2: So I think she still thinks that old school thing 536 00:23:44,504 --> 00:23:47,064 Speaker 2: of like all publicity is good publicity and just get 537 00:23:47,064 --> 00:23:49,384 Speaker 2: it out there. And then it's having like a flow 538 00:23:49,424 --> 00:23:52,544 Speaker 2: on effect from like her music to Charlie XCX's music 539 00:23:52,624 --> 00:23:55,104 Speaker 2: and Yeah, the Lewis Capaldi thing has kind of blown 540 00:23:55,184 --> 00:23:57,544 Speaker 2: up a little bit. So they were on the Grahame 541 00:23:57,584 --> 00:23:58,424 Speaker 2: Not in Couch Together. 542 00:23:58,704 --> 00:24:00,384 Speaker 3: Yeah, so they were on the Grahame Not in Couch 543 00:24:00,424 --> 00:24:03,064 Speaker 3: Together the day that The Life of a Show Goal 544 00:24:03,184 --> 00:24:03,624 Speaker 3: was released. 545 00:24:03,704 --> 00:24:07,184 Speaker 1: Killian Murphy was also there and Graham. 546 00:24:06,864 --> 00:24:10,024 Speaker 3: Asks Lewis about his new EP or his new music 547 00:24:10,024 --> 00:24:13,664 Speaker 3: coming out, and Lewis kind of like darts his eyes 548 00:24:13,704 --> 00:24:17,224 Speaker 3: around and goes, oh, I was told I wasn't allowed 549 00:24:17,264 --> 00:24:21,024 Speaker 3: to talk about that. Everyone looks really shocked. He goes, oh, 550 00:24:21,064 --> 00:24:22,744 Speaker 3: fuck it, and he talks about this new AP that 551 00:24:22,784 --> 00:24:25,744 Speaker 3: he's launching later this year called The Five, and people 552 00:24:25,864 --> 00:24:28,624 Speaker 3: kind of are looking at this clip and looking at 553 00:24:28,664 --> 00:24:32,904 Speaker 3: Taylor's face and speculating that perhaps Taylor's team has said 554 00:24:33,184 --> 00:24:35,784 Speaker 3: you can't talk about your music because it's all got 555 00:24:35,824 --> 00:24:36,584 Speaker 3: to be about Taylor. 556 00:24:36,784 --> 00:24:37,344 Speaker 2: Yeah. 557 00:24:37,424 --> 00:24:38,784 Speaker 3: I don't want to get in trouble, he because I 558 00:24:38,784 --> 00:24:40,224 Speaker 3: feel like I'm going to get attacked, So I'm going 559 00:24:40,264 --> 00:24:41,584 Speaker 3: to be very careful with what I say. 560 00:24:41,664 --> 00:24:43,104 Speaker 1: I did look at her face, and she did look 561 00:24:43,104 --> 00:24:43,504 Speaker 1: a bit. 562 00:24:43,464 --> 00:24:45,824 Speaker 3: Like, don't you just so that this is tailor? Like 563 00:24:45,864 --> 00:24:48,424 Speaker 3: I got a little bit of that vibe. 564 00:24:48,504 --> 00:24:52,504 Speaker 2: It's hard to say, watching that Graham Norton appearance back, Like, 565 00:24:52,624 --> 00:24:55,944 Speaker 2: on surface level, it's just like all of these cute 566 00:24:55,984 --> 00:24:58,464 Speaker 2: celebrities sitting on the couch together and they're all joking 567 00:24:58,504 --> 00:25:01,144 Speaker 2: and Taylor's talking about making bread and Killian Murphy is 568 00:25:01,144 --> 00:25:03,024 Speaker 2: sitting next to her, just with a polite smile on 569 00:25:03,064 --> 00:25:07,744 Speaker 2: his face. He looks he's smiling and everyone it depends 570 00:25:07,784 --> 00:25:09,984 Speaker 2: which clip you watch, because he does have resting like 571 00:25:10,504 --> 00:25:13,064 Speaker 2: angry face resting dick but a little bit yeah, but 572 00:25:13,144 --> 00:25:15,304 Speaker 2: he just looks like so happy that no one's talking 573 00:25:15,344 --> 00:25:17,664 Speaker 2: to him. I think like he's so thrilled when everyone 574 00:25:17,664 --> 00:25:19,544 Speaker 2: else on the couch talks and he doesn't have to. 575 00:25:19,784 --> 00:25:21,624 Speaker 2: And you've got like Jodie Turner Smith and then Taylor 576 00:25:21,624 --> 00:25:23,904 Speaker 2: Swift's talking and it's a whole big thing. And then 577 00:25:23,904 --> 00:25:26,304 Speaker 2: on the surface level, it looks so cute and sweet. 578 00:25:26,664 --> 00:25:28,664 Speaker 2: But then the more times you watch, all the more 579 00:25:28,664 --> 00:25:30,584 Speaker 2: you hear about that taping, it just sounds like the 580 00:25:30,584 --> 00:25:33,624 Speaker 2: most like crazy controlled thing. So first of all, Taylor's 581 00:25:33,664 --> 00:25:36,504 Speaker 2: there and she's like chatting away, looking really you know, 582 00:25:36,624 --> 00:25:39,024 Speaker 2: like she's like just thrilled to be there on the couch. 583 00:25:39,024 --> 00:25:41,064 Speaker 2: She's like, I'm just one of you guys, we're all 584 00:25:41,224 --> 00:25:43,704 Speaker 2: the same level. And then graham Norton like plays a 585 00:25:43,744 --> 00:25:46,304 Speaker 2: bit of her song and they're all bopping along and 586 00:25:46,344 --> 00:25:48,464 Speaker 2: it looks a bit weird, And then we've since found 587 00:25:48,504 --> 00:25:50,584 Speaker 2: out all the allegation is because you know how Taylor 588 00:25:50,704 --> 00:25:54,264 Speaker 2: Swift keeps her songs under such lock and key that 589 00:25:54,384 --> 00:25:57,104 Speaker 2: even when they were filming the music video to go 590 00:25:57,144 --> 00:25:58,944 Speaker 2: with the movie and to go with the release, the 591 00:25:59,024 --> 00:26:01,464 Speaker 2: dancers are just dancing to clicks through all the songs 592 00:26:01,504 --> 00:26:03,304 Speaker 2: because they're not allowed to hear the music beforehand in 593 00:26:03,304 --> 00:26:05,744 Speaker 2: case anyone leaks it, even though these are her tour 594 00:26:05,824 --> 00:26:07,744 Speaker 2: dances that she's been on the road with for two years. 595 00:26:07,784 --> 00:26:10,424 Speaker 2: But you know, you obviously can't trust anyone crazy. And 596 00:26:10,464 --> 00:26:12,824 Speaker 2: apparently in that clip where and graham Norton, wha, they're 597 00:26:12,824 --> 00:26:15,224 Speaker 2: all bopping along, the song's not playing, So when you 598 00:26:15,224 --> 00:26:18,544 Speaker 2: see Killian Murphy like swaying to the phato Ophelia, he 599 00:26:18,584 --> 00:26:21,504 Speaker 2: can't hear anything. And like, obviously Taylor's sifts so good 600 00:26:21,504 --> 00:26:23,344 Speaker 2: at it because she just does this all the time, 601 00:26:23,384 --> 00:26:25,584 Speaker 2: so she's like clicking along and graham Norton's like, that's 602 00:26:25,624 --> 00:26:27,744 Speaker 2: why all their heads are bopping out of SINC because 603 00:26:27,744 --> 00:26:29,864 Speaker 2: they're not listening to anything. I love it, so like 604 00:26:29,904 --> 00:26:32,344 Speaker 2: that's how control the set was. And then yes, Lewis 605 00:26:32,344 --> 00:26:34,984 Speaker 2: comes out, And if anyone hasn't seen Lewis Cappaldi, I 606 00:26:35,024 --> 00:26:36,624 Speaker 2: would just say, like just google him and just watch 607 00:26:36,704 --> 00:26:39,664 Speaker 2: all of his interviews because it's so funny and sweet 608 00:26:39,784 --> 00:26:42,744 Speaker 2: and I just adore the funniest person ever with the 609 00:26:42,744 --> 00:26:45,184 Speaker 2: best voice in the world, and he just says whatever 610 00:26:45,224 --> 00:26:47,064 Speaker 2: he wants, like the amount of times on morning shows 611 00:26:47,064 --> 00:26:48,624 Speaker 2: they've had to like bleep him and sense to him 612 00:26:48,624 --> 00:26:50,904 Speaker 2: because I'll just start swearing. He's just got such a 613 00:26:50,944 --> 00:26:53,264 Speaker 2: classic humor about him, and I love wanted to tell 614 00:26:53,344 --> 00:26:55,744 Speaker 2: stories about him and Ed Sheeran getting really drunk together 615 00:26:55,784 --> 00:26:58,024 Speaker 2: and yeah, like falling asleep on the side of the road. 616 00:26:58,064 --> 00:27:00,264 Speaker 2: Like he just seems like such a chill dude, which 617 00:27:00,304 --> 00:27:02,184 Speaker 2: is why I feel like the way that he was 618 00:27:02,264 --> 00:27:05,344 Speaker 2: darting around, he was like, oh no, I've been told 619 00:27:05,344 --> 00:27:08,104 Speaker 2: by Taylor's team and this is. 620 00:27:08,104 --> 00:27:11,304 Speaker 1: Me whatever, I don't care playing it off. 621 00:27:11,504 --> 00:27:13,664 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so hard because that's the one where like 622 00:27:13,704 --> 00:27:15,304 Speaker 2: there's so many other things that you hear about, like 623 00:27:15,384 --> 00:27:18,024 Speaker 2: especially like with the fallout of Taylor Swift's album where 624 00:27:18,024 --> 00:27:20,064 Speaker 2: I think, like, oh, yeah, that one hundred percent happened, 625 00:27:20,104 --> 00:27:22,224 Speaker 2: like this person said this, Lewis person had said this. 626 00:27:22,224 --> 00:27:24,464 Speaker 2: This is one where like I just don't know, because yes, 627 00:27:24,544 --> 00:27:27,064 Speaker 2: Lewis Capaldi kind of sits down the couch and he 628 00:27:27,344 --> 00:27:30,064 Speaker 2: like apologizes to Jodie Turners Swift for swearing in front 629 00:27:30,064 --> 00:27:31,584 Speaker 2: of her baby last time they met, and all these 630 00:27:31,584 --> 00:27:33,624 Speaker 2: sorts of things, and then just goes on to say 631 00:27:33,664 --> 00:27:36,224 Speaker 2: that the album's coming out even though he was told 632 00:27:36,264 --> 00:27:39,104 Speaker 2: not to say it, and Graham Norton's like, oh God 633 00:27:39,184 --> 00:27:42,064 Speaker 2: is singing like a canary. But everyone thinks that was 634 00:27:42,104 --> 00:27:44,904 Speaker 2: a caveat of Taylor Swift being on the couch that 635 00:27:44,944 --> 00:27:47,864 Speaker 2: there would be no announcement like that. But I don't 636 00:27:47,904 --> 00:27:51,224 Speaker 2: know because Lewis Capaldi, like he hasn't really said anything, 637 00:27:51,224 --> 00:27:54,064 Speaker 2: but there's been like whispers and like anonymous sources over 638 00:27:54,064 --> 00:27:55,824 Speaker 2: the years that have said, like his label and his 639 00:27:55,944 --> 00:28:00,504 Speaker 2: management sometimes don't do his rollouts very well, and they'll 640 00:28:00,504 --> 00:28:02,264 Speaker 2: tell him to keep things secret when he should be 641 00:28:02,264 --> 00:28:04,224 Speaker 2: promoting them. Go to early. I think there was a 642 00:28:04,264 --> 00:28:06,664 Speaker 2: thing a few years ago where his team announced his 643 00:28:06,784 --> 00:28:09,064 Speaker 2: new album on the day that Taylor Swift's team had 644 00:28:09,104 --> 00:28:11,184 Speaker 2: announced her album and she done a bi rollt, so 645 00:28:11,224 --> 00:28:14,104 Speaker 2: he's got wiped out and his team, like the pushback 646 00:28:14,144 --> 00:28:17,184 Speaker 2: from fans was like everyone knows that all other artists 647 00:28:17,224 --> 00:28:19,584 Speaker 2: hold when Taylor says doing a release, like apparently she 648 00:28:19,624 --> 00:28:21,584 Speaker 2: and Beyonce have a blood pack that they never release 649 00:28:21,664 --> 00:28:24,264 Speaker 2: music at the same time because they're the only two 650 00:28:24,264 --> 00:28:26,504 Speaker 2: people who would cancel each other out. But everyone else 651 00:28:26,584 --> 00:28:29,184 Speaker 2: just holds their music. And even Robbie Williams, like who 652 00:28:29,344 --> 00:28:31,424 Speaker 2: Huge Star has like confirmed this week that he has 653 00:28:31,464 --> 00:28:33,984 Speaker 2: held his album so it's not competing with Taylor. Because 654 00:28:34,384 --> 00:28:36,944 Speaker 2: all her songs come out she releases, people have thoughts 655 00:28:36,984 --> 00:28:38,744 Speaker 2: about is she just being greedy, is she trying to 656 00:28:38,824 --> 00:28:40,704 Speaker 2: knock other artists out, or is she just you know, 657 00:28:41,064 --> 00:28:43,664 Speaker 2: so excited by all these different albums She releases twenty 658 00:28:43,704 --> 00:28:45,744 Speaker 2: eight variants, so not only do all her songs go 659 00:28:45,784 --> 00:28:48,184 Speaker 2: to the top of the charts, the release of multiple 660 00:28:48,184 --> 00:28:50,704 Speaker 2: albums also means that she like breaks every record for 661 00:28:50,744 --> 00:28:51,064 Speaker 2: the week. 662 00:28:51,304 --> 00:28:53,664 Speaker 3: She's such a juggernaut that you just kind of you 663 00:28:53,744 --> 00:28:55,744 Speaker 3: got to leave it there, give it a couple of weeks, 664 00:28:55,784 --> 00:28:58,264 Speaker 3: and then go. But so maybe that's why they told 665 00:28:58,344 --> 00:29:00,104 Speaker 3: him don't do it now because it's just. 666 00:29:00,064 --> 00:29:01,304 Speaker 1: Got to get overshadowed. 667 00:29:01,584 --> 00:29:03,624 Speaker 3: But it's actually kind of done the opposite since he 668 00:29:03,664 --> 00:29:06,424 Speaker 3: did do it, because now people are speculating that he's. 669 00:29:06,344 --> 00:29:08,384 Speaker 2: I mean, if that was being yeah. 670 00:29:08,304 --> 00:29:09,984 Speaker 1: Stopped by Taylor's team. 671 00:29:10,064 --> 00:29:12,024 Speaker 2: Yeah, and now this story is out there that Lewis 672 00:29:12,024 --> 00:29:15,104 Speaker 2: Capaldi was potentially like Taylor was trying to like take 673 00:29:15,184 --> 00:29:17,064 Speaker 2: him down and her team was trying to silence him 674 00:29:17,064 --> 00:29:18,784 Speaker 2: and he pushed back again. I don't know if that's 675 00:29:18,784 --> 00:29:21,144 Speaker 2: a story, but it's kind of worked out really great 676 00:29:21,144 --> 00:29:22,824 Speaker 2: for him because now that clip of him being like, 677 00:29:22,824 --> 00:29:24,344 Speaker 2: oh fuck it. I'm just going to say it has 678 00:29:24,424 --> 00:29:27,584 Speaker 2: gone viral in a way that like an album announcement 679 00:29:27,624 --> 00:29:29,664 Speaker 2: would have gone viral amongst his fans, but it wouldn't 680 00:29:29,704 --> 00:29:31,264 Speaker 2: have been the front page of every news outlet. 681 00:29:31,424 --> 00:29:31,624 Speaker 1: Yeah. 682 00:29:31,624 --> 00:29:33,784 Speaker 3: I don't feel like it's this big feud because I 683 00:29:33,824 --> 00:29:36,744 Speaker 3: think Lewis Capaldi is obviously a great friends with Ed Sheeran. 684 00:29:36,904 --> 00:29:39,544 Speaker 3: Ed Sheeran and Taylor Swift famously have a great relationship, 685 00:29:39,744 --> 00:29:42,064 Speaker 3: so I feel like there's probably a bit of love 686 00:29:42,104 --> 00:29:45,704 Speaker 3: there and support of each other's music, and I do 687 00:29:45,744 --> 00:29:49,464 Speaker 3: think this crossover between Taylor fans and Lewis Capaldi fans, 688 00:29:50,024 --> 00:29:51,824 Speaker 3: And I don't think that Taylor. 689 00:29:52,264 --> 00:29:52,544 Speaker 1: I don't know. 690 00:29:52,624 --> 00:29:54,224 Speaker 3: I just don't feel like she would do that to him. 691 00:29:54,264 --> 00:29:57,144 Speaker 3: But maybe it was like said in a nice way, yeah, 692 00:29:57,144 --> 00:30:00,104 Speaker 3: maybe like it shifty though. 693 00:30:00,024 --> 00:30:01,704 Speaker 2: Yeah, well maybe she was like yeah, when he says 694 00:30:01,744 --> 00:30:04,024 Speaker 2: I was totled on to say, she goes oh, as 695 00:30:04,024 --> 00:30:06,584 Speaker 2: if like something terrible has had. But also she's very 696 00:30:06,584 --> 00:30:09,464 Speaker 2: reactive on those couches, like anyone says anything, and she's like, 697 00:30:09,544 --> 00:30:11,504 Speaker 2: because I think she's trying a show, like and she 698 00:30:11,544 --> 00:30:13,824 Speaker 2: would have to because everyone's looking at her and wondering 699 00:30:13,864 --> 00:30:16,144 Speaker 2: how she's gonna act out of the celebrities, and if 700 00:30:16,184 --> 00:30:18,544 Speaker 2: she does anything that looks like she's giving them a shade, 701 00:30:18,704 --> 00:30:20,784 Speaker 2: then she would get called out more than them. So 702 00:30:20,784 --> 00:30:22,944 Speaker 2: I think sometimes and I kind of get it, like 703 00:30:23,024 --> 00:30:25,944 Speaker 2: in that position, Taylor so has to overreact very like 704 00:30:25,984 --> 00:30:28,744 Speaker 2: she's listening and she's invested, so she doesn't look like 705 00:30:28,784 --> 00:30:30,864 Speaker 2: she's above it. But yeah, it's been really interesting as 706 00:30:30,904 --> 00:30:33,384 Speaker 2: like this like kind of second week of the Life 707 00:30:33,424 --> 00:30:35,664 Speaker 2: of a show Girl, the fallout and all the different 708 00:30:35,704 --> 00:30:38,184 Speaker 2: celebrity pieces, like everyone's looking to Charlie to see what 709 00:30:38,264 --> 00:30:41,344 Speaker 2: she'll say everyone's looking to Olivia Rodrigo, even Sophie Turner 710 00:30:41,384 --> 00:30:44,104 Speaker 2: because they think that she's also mentioned in the canceled song. 711 00:30:44,384 --> 00:30:46,544 Speaker 2: And then you have the offshoots of celebrities who have 712 00:30:46,584 --> 00:30:50,464 Speaker 2: picked aside and the whole Charlie Taylor thing, like Megan Stutler, 713 00:30:50,504 --> 00:30:52,904 Speaker 2: the actress from Too Much, who has been doing her 714 00:30:53,264 --> 00:30:55,824 Speaker 2: She's so funny. You haven't seen her Instagram account. She's 715 00:30:55,824 --> 00:30:57,704 Speaker 2: been wearing that blonde wig she was wearing for Too 716 00:30:57,784 --> 00:31:00,824 Speaker 2: Much press, and she's doing like pretending to be Taylor 717 00:31:01,064 --> 00:31:03,304 Speaker 2: and doing like a parody song where she releases a 718 00:31:03,304 --> 00:31:06,064 Speaker 2: follow up where she and Charlie xx are friends. And 719 00:31:06,104 --> 00:31:09,664 Speaker 2: then Julia Fox has been reposting all these tiktoks in 720 00:31:09,704 --> 00:31:12,424 Speaker 2: support of and saying that Taylor's basically being a bit 721 00:31:12,424 --> 00:31:14,904 Speaker 2: of a mean girl. So all these celebrities are picking sides, 722 00:31:14,944 --> 00:31:16,984 Speaker 2: but it's all on the fun of the album. I 723 00:31:17,024 --> 00:31:19,184 Speaker 2: feel this is what they wanted when they put like 724 00:31:19,344 --> 00:31:21,824 Speaker 2: secret messages and stuff in lyrics, is they want people 725 00:31:21,904 --> 00:31:23,464 Speaker 2: to have these conspiracy theories. 726 00:31:23,584 --> 00:31:26,904 Speaker 3: How much longer do you feel like the hype around 727 00:31:26,904 --> 00:31:28,144 Speaker 3: the life of a show girl will. 728 00:31:27,984 --> 00:31:30,424 Speaker 2: Go litt at least another two weeks. 729 00:31:29,584 --> 00:31:34,224 Speaker 3: As an Insider and a Taylor You did two episodes 730 00:31:34,224 --> 00:31:34,904 Speaker 3: on Taylor. 731 00:31:34,944 --> 00:31:36,704 Speaker 2: You No, My whole life has been Taylor at the moment, 732 00:31:36,824 --> 00:31:39,304 Speaker 2: I think we've got another two solid weeks of all 733 00:31:39,424 --> 00:31:42,304 Speaker 2: these conspiracy theories, and then it will just depend what 734 00:31:42,424 --> 00:31:45,624 Speaker 2: other music videos she releases. Apparently Taylor's going to make 735 00:31:45,624 --> 00:31:48,424 Speaker 2: another big announcement this week. We'll see what that's going 736 00:31:48,464 --> 00:31:50,024 Speaker 2: to be. If it's not a vinyl, I'm just gonna 737 00:31:50,024 --> 00:31:52,024 Speaker 2: be like, get out of here. We don't need another one. 738 00:31:52,064 --> 00:31:54,144 Speaker 2: If it's a tour, an event or something like that, 739 00:31:54,264 --> 00:31:56,864 Speaker 2: great news. It might be that her Life of a 740 00:31:56,864 --> 00:31:59,824 Speaker 2: Showgirl launch party movie is coming to streaming like we 741 00:31:59,904 --> 00:32:02,064 Speaker 2: don't know, but I'm sure that will set off another 742 00:32:02,584 --> 00:32:05,144 Speaker 2: round of She's gossip and story a plan. 743 00:32:05,864 --> 00:32:07,944 Speaker 3: Thank you so much for listening to the Spill today. 744 00:32:08,104 --> 00:32:11,024 Speaker 3: Don't forget to follow us on TikTok Instagram. 745 00:32:11,024 --> 00:32:12,384 Speaker 1: I'm going to be back in your podcast. 746 00:32:12,424 --> 00:32:15,744 Speaker 3: Feeded eight am tomorrow with Morning Tea, and then again 747 00:32:15,744 --> 00:32:18,464 Speaker 3: at three for another ep The Spill. Spill was produced 748 00:32:18,464 --> 00:32:21,424 Speaker 3: by Minitia is Worn, with sound production by Scott Stronach. 749 00:32:21,504 --> 00:32:24,624 Speaker 2: Bye Bye 750 00:32:26,544 --> 00:32:26,584 Speaker 4: Lo