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Speaker 1: You're listening to a Muma mea podcast.

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Speaker 2: Hey, I'm Taylor Strano. This is Mumma Mer's twice daily

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Speaker 2: news podcast, The Quickie. The White House Press Secretary Caroline

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Speaker 2: Leavitt has gone viral after giving a journalist addressing down

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Speaker 2: with what can only be described as well a your

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Speaker 2: mum joke? So what happened? And surely this kind of

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Speaker 2: behavior he is a one way ticket to fired town.

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Speaker 2: Right before we get there, here's Claire Murphy with the

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Speaker 2: latest from the QUICKI news room for Thursday, October twenty three.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Taylor. Telstra has tested phones in the wake of

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Speaker 1: customers in another network outage being unable to contact Triple

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Speaker 1: O finding a range of older Samsung model phones are

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Speaker 1: unable to connect to the Vodafone network as a backup.

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Speaker 1: It's been reported that there are eleven older models Samsung

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Speaker 1: Galaxy phones that will need to be replaced with a

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Speaker 1: further sixty models that require an immediate software upgrade in

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Speaker 1: order for them to be able to search for another

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Speaker 1: network system when their own goes down. The models impacted

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Speaker 1: include the Galaxy Note five, the J one, three and five,

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Speaker 1: the S seven and S seven Edge, the S six

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Speaker 1: s six, edge and edge plus A seven and A five.

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Speaker 1: The director of the Louver Museum in Paris says the

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Speaker 1: building's aging camera system failed to detect the thieves who

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Speaker 1: stole the French Crown jewels on Sunday in enough time

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Speaker 1: to prevent it from happening. Using a crane outside of

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Speaker 1: the museum. The thieves arrived on motorbike before jumping in

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Speaker 1: the basket of the crane that brought them up to

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Speaker 1: the window that they cut open with a disc cutter.

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Speaker 1: They then smashed the cases containing the jewels before grabbing

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Speaker 1: them and making off with their haul four minutes later.

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Speaker 1: There are reports the heist was done for the gold

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Speaker 1: rather than the jewels contained in the pieces. Gold prices

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Speaker 1: experiencing their strongest years since nineteen seventy nine, motivating many

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Speaker 1: to invest in the precious metal. The Louver director says

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Speaker 1: there aren't enough cameras outside the building that they don't

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Speaker 1: have full coverage of the facade. The window the thieves

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Speaker 1: access was not covered by CCTV at all. The museum

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Speaker 1: has now reopened to the public after Sunday's heist, King

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Speaker 1: Charles will publicly pray with the Pope today, the first

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Speaker 1: time a British monarch has done so since King Henry

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Speaker 1: the Eighth broke away from the Catholic Church and created

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Speaker 1: the Church of England. Charles and Camilla are making the

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Speaker 1: historic visit to the Vatican, touching down in Italy last night.

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Speaker 1: They had planned to spend time at the Vatican earlier

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Speaker 1: this year, but had to postpone the event due to

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Speaker 1: Pope Francis's poor health, instead meeting with him privately. He

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Speaker 1: died a month later. The king will receive a new

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Speaker 1: commemorative seat that he'll then use during the service at

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Speaker 1: an ancient basilica in the Vatican. The chair, which will

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Speaker 1: have Charles's coat of arms on it, will then be

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Speaker 1: left in the basilica as a mark of respect from

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Speaker 1: the Pope and the Vatican itself. Australia's worst boss has

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Speaker 1: been revealed after hr technology company Campono collected stories from

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Speaker 1: across the country exposing the habits of business leaders. The

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Speaker 1: National Campaign to Expose Poor Leadership revealed a story from

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Speaker 1: an employee named Ta Him who explained that on his

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Speaker 1: one hour lunch break, he would often be asked to

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Speaker 1: have his boss's eighteenth century battle figurines painted. He says

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Speaker 1: he had to wait for the job to be finished,

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Speaker 1: he watched him re enact battle scenes. Tim says he

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Speaker 1: thought it was some kind of hazing at first, describing

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Speaker 1: his boss aggressively chewing sushi and talking about Waterloo while

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Speaker 1: setting up toy soldiers. The Worst Boss campaign revealed many

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Speaker 1: common complaints Australians have about their workplace superiors. Twenty one

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Speaker 1: percent claimed their boss lacked compassion, denying leave or flexibility

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Speaker 1: in times of crisis. Eleven percent said their boss failed

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Speaker 1: or micromanagement, including reports of being yelled at, intimidated, or gaslit.

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Speaker 1: Compono ceo and corporate psychologist Rudy Krause says bad bosses

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Speaker 1: and cost businesses millions, saying the point of the Worst

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Speaker 1: Boss campaign wasn't really to crown a bad boss, but

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Speaker 1: mentoring and sol awareness.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Claire Next, the White House Press Secretary, a reporter

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Speaker 2: and your mum. Late last week, Australia was preparing for

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Speaker 2: Prime Minister Anthony Albanesi's big date with Trump, while the

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Speaker 2: White House was fielding serious questions about the President's proposed

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Speaker 2: moment for the press corps until it wasn't.

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Speaker 2: Post journalist s Vi Darte asked a pretty straightforward question,

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Speaker 2: a fair, relatively inoffensive question. But the history here matters.

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Speaker 2: More on that in a moment. Now this has caught

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Speaker 2: the attention of media everywhere. For Caroline Levitt, aka the

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Speaker 2: White House Press Secretary and her response. She answered in

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Speaker 2: a way that can only be described as juvenile. Here's

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Speaker 2: how the exchange went down. Yes, we data.

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Speaker 4: Is the president aware of the significance of Budapest? In

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Speaker 4: nineteen ninety four, Russia promised in Budapest not to invade

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Speaker 4: Ukraine if it gave up the nuclear weapons it inherited

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Speaker 4: when the Soviet Union dissolved? Does he not see why

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Speaker 4: Ukraine might object to that site? Who suggested Budapest? Thanks?

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Speaker 2: Caroline, love it?

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Speaker 3: Your mom? Did sv?

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Speaker 4: Is this funny to you, Caroline?

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Speaker 3: It's funny to me that you actually consider yourself a

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Speaker 3: journal full of record.

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Speaker 2: The text actually does say the word journalist.

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Speaker 3: You are a far left hack who nobody takes seriously,

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Speaker 3: including your colleagues in the media. They just don't tell

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Speaker 3: you that to your face. Stop texting me your disingenuous, biased,

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Speaker 3: and bullshit questions.

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Speaker 2: Yes, the White House Press secretary not to be confused

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Speaker 2: with an amateur stand up comedian or twelve year old

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Speaker 2: boy in the playground. Just you a your mum joke.

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Speaker 2: But how do we even know about this exchange? Because

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Speaker 2: she posted it online in an attempt to tickle the

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Speaker 2: nation's funny bone. It has, however, backfired. Critics called it immature, childish,

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Speaker 2: and frankly unprofessional, drawing the conclusion that the spokesperson standing

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Speaker 2: for journalists. So why does it matter? Well, for one,

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Speaker 2: the White House never actually answered the question. Not only

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Speaker 2: were journalists left scratching their heads, but it did send

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Speaker 2: a message that civility has left the building. Former press secretaries, journalists,

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Speaker 2: and pretty much everyone with a Twitter account has weighed in.

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Speaker 2: Karine Jean Pierre, who served as Press secretary under the

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Speaker 2: previous Biden administration said the role is not about online trolling,

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Speaker 2: But what does her boss aka mister President have to

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Speaker 2: say about it? Do you? It's an interesting take from

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Speaker 2: the US president, considering he has fired people for much

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Speaker 2: much less. Since the start of Trump's second term, He's

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Speaker 2: fired fifty political appointees, including ten who were hired by

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Speaker 2: Trump himself. The list of reasons for these sackings vary,

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Speaker 2: but many have cited they're actually illegal. None have been

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Speaker 2: sacked for trolling journalists, though we checked. So where's the

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Speaker 2: line here with this fly of Australia's top government spokesperson

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Speaker 2: trolled journos? Do you even know the name of Anthony

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Speaker 2: Albaneze's top media advisor? Probably not. I took this question

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Speaker 2: to Mumma MIA's HR department to test the limits of

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Speaker 2: what an employee could reasonably get away with the reason

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Speaker 2: you'll hear of it as the in house resident expertise

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Speaker 2: on all things HR at Mamma Mea. I want to

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Speaker 2: know what is the limit to someone getting fired, like

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Speaker 2: in general, I'm not asking you to tell us specifically

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Speaker 2: about the policies here, but like, what would you say,

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Speaker 2: in your professional opinion is the line for getting someone

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Speaker 2: fired from a job or asked to not come back.

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Speaker 5: I mean, how long is a piece of string? It's

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Speaker 5: so subjective, Okay, it's so role dependent, company dependent.

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Speaker 2: What if I was the spokesperson or front facing person

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Speaker 2: and then I trolled them? Would that be inappropriate? Yes?

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Speaker 5: I would say that's inropriate.

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Speaker 2: Okay. What if I was the White House press secretary.

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Speaker 5: I hate the business is going and.

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Speaker 2: I trolled the journo Oh my god, that your mum joke?

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Speaker 5: Yes, I read this time, and then I put the.

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Speaker 2: Screenshots on the internet. Would that get me fired in

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Speaker 2: your professional opinion from that administration?

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Speaker 3: Probably not?

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Speaker 2: Okay. If I did that here, I just got on

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Speaker 2: the mum and mere Instagram and stuff aarded trolling our audience.

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Speaker 2: Do you think that would be a conversation at least.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, very stern conversation about how you represent the company.

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Speaker 2: Okay. If you're the chief of staff at the White House,

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Speaker 2: do you think you'd have a word with Caroline Leaver, like,

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Speaker 2: do you think you put something in her diary and

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Speaker 2: out the door?

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Speaker 5: At this point, and I should point out there's really

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Speaker 5: really different rules for employment in America than there is

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Speaker 5: in Australia. I feel like HR has a really bad

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Speaker 5: rap in America, mainly because you actually don't have the

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Speaker 5: processes to the same extent that Austrains do the protect

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Speaker 5: your employment. So in other words, it's much easier to

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Speaker 5: exit somebody in America than it is so under that

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Speaker 5: as well, like, yeah.

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Speaker 2: If they wanted to, she could be gone. Yes, yes,

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Speaker 2: well I actually looked it up. Trump fired fifty people

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Speaker 2: in the first couple of weeks when he took back office,

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Speaker 2: including people that he had previously hired, So he has

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Speaker 2: no qualms with letting go of staff. But he's also

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Speaker 2: a habitual line step for himself. So I imagine that Caroline.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he said as much that she's safe in

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Speaker 2: this instance. You've already said that if I did this here,

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Speaker 2: it would be a conversation. What about this conversation? Is

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Speaker 2: this stepping on the line of it, like, be honest.

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Speaker 5: Day you're just making me squirm.

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Speaker 2: That's fine, Well, thank you for being good sport, thank you.

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Speaker 5: I think.

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Speaker 2: Meanwhile, America's relationship with the press court is already strained,

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Speaker 2: with the administration taking more control, cutting access and giving

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Speaker 2: with me amidst this whole shambles. That's Caroline Levitt's Uh.

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Speaker 2: I guess we'll call it sense of humor. Your mum

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Speaker 2: insults also known as a thing you'd expect in year

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Speaker 2: six classrooms, not the West Wing. Weirdly, they're everywhere at

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Speaker 2: the moment and have been throughout pop culture history. But

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Speaker 2: where do they actually come from? Turns out we must

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Speaker 2: travel back sentries. Scholars found the first known one scrawled

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Speaker 2: on a Babylonian tablet in thirty five hundred BCE. They

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Speaker 2: also crop up in Shakespeare, Looking at You, Titus Andronicus,

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Speaker 2: also in Medieval English, and they've peaked in modern pop

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Speaker 2: culture during the nineties thanks to your mumma jokes, battles.

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Speaker 3: Like that you are to talk about.

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Speaker 2: You and Saturday Night Live.

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Speaker 3: Well sixty nine is how I scored with your mother

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Speaker 3: last night.

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Speaker 2: But it's not all fun and games. Comedians and scholars

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Speaker 2: have pointed out your mum jokes are rooted in insulting

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Speaker 2: someone's female family members, turning mothers into easy targets and punchlines. Sure,

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Speaker 2: it's meant to be so dumb. It's not actually about

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Speaker 2: anyone's mum. But the truth is these jokes rely on

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Speaker 2: old school sexism. By making fun of the mum in

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Speaker 2: the punchline, it keeps the women in the firing line

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Speaker 2: of hassling, whether you're in school or in the White

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Speaker 2: House press room. So while Caroline's viral moment backfired, Trump

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Speaker 2: says she's not going anywhere anytime soon. So maybe then

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Speaker 2: the joke is in fact on us and our mums.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for taking some time to feed your mind with

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Speaker 2: us today. The Quickie is produced by me Taylor Strano,

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Speaker 2: Ilaria Brophy and your Mum I mean Claire Murphy, with

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Speaker 2: audio production by Lou Hill.

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Speaker 1: Muma MEA acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters

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