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Speaker 3: the TV show that everyone is talking about the summer

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Speaker 2: From Mamma Mia. Welcome to the Spills Watch Party, where

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Speaker 2: we unpack the biggest shows and movies that everyone is

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Speaker 2: We're going to pull them apart. We're going to dissect them.

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Speaker 2: We're going to bring you all the opinions, all our

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Speaker 2: you know you want from your favorite shows. I'm Claire Murphy.

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Speaker 2: I read the news for our daily podcast, The Quickie.

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Speaker 2: I also co host our women's health podcast Well, and

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Speaker 2: I never really get to have my opinion about anything,

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Speaker 2: So I'm very excited to be here today to talk

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Speaker 2: today we are talking about a show that I've been

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Speaker 2: told is actually very weird for someone of my age

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Speaker 2: Teen Love triangle that is the Summer I Turned Pretty.

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Speaker 6: Loves are important, but they're not as important as last.

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Speaker 4: But more importantly for today, one of the Summer I

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Speaker 5: social editor, and like Claire, I am also a romcom romantic, romance,

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Speaker 1: Oh there's more than one part.

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Speaker 2: I turn pretty that's coming up, Okay, So can we

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Speaker 8: So one that I really like is the Conrad Carrot theory.

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Speaker 4: And then earlier that season, she had been talking to

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Speaker 4: Well, everyone has to clear their calendars for an extra

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Speaker 5: Yes, and she also writes a letter from Paris about

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Speaker 5: The references were beautiful.

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Speaker 2: There's so many beautiful nineties references throughout this show and

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Speaker 2: that she has lost? It's blue? And the whole I did,

433
00:19:34,384 --> 00:19:35,624
Speaker 2: what does it all mean? The whole idea is that

434
00:19:35,624 --> 00:19:38,264
Speaker 2: she's you know, got her baggage back. But we have

435
00:19:38,384 --> 00:19:40,744
Speaker 2: this massive anxiety and can we also mention the amount

436
00:19:40,784 --> 00:19:44,424
Speaker 2: of lost money on changed and unused airfares during this

437
00:19:44,504 --> 00:19:47,384
Speaker 2: season is also driving as well. Conrad does not go

438
00:19:47,464 --> 00:19:49,224
Speaker 2: back to California like what three.

439
00:19:49,024 --> 00:19:51,864
Speaker 4: Times and he pays four hundred and seventy three dollars

440
00:19:51,904 --> 00:19:52,624
Speaker 4: to change his flight.

441
00:19:52,784 --> 00:19:54,664
Speaker 1: Yeah, it means your student.

442
00:19:54,984 --> 00:19:57,744
Speaker 5: We mentioned specifically just quickly of the four seventy three.

443
00:19:57,784 --> 00:19:59,904
Speaker 5: I was like, that's to show that Conrad has money.

444
00:19:59,904 --> 00:20:04,784
Speaker 5: Because Terremi is Jeremi is a broken to do a flight,

445
00:20:04,824 --> 00:20:06,664
Speaker 5: but back to the top of the episode, she lost

446
00:20:06,664 --> 00:20:07,344
Speaker 5: her luggage.

447
00:20:07,424 --> 00:20:09,864
Speaker 2: She's so that is in episode nine. So episode ten

448
00:20:09,944 --> 00:20:13,344
Speaker 2: she is established herself as working illegally.

449
00:20:13,144 --> 00:20:15,464
Speaker 1: In Paris and doing unionline.

450
00:20:15,584 --> 00:20:16,904
Speaker 5: She's like, I'm needing hay cash.

451
00:20:16,944 --> 00:20:20,184
Speaker 2: Actually she's not one, but two jobs that she's doing

452
00:20:20,184 --> 00:20:20,544
Speaker 2: that for.

453
00:20:20,704 --> 00:20:22,824
Speaker 4: But yet she has a one bedroom apartment looking over

454
00:20:22,824 --> 00:20:23,904
Speaker 4: the Sakrica about me.

455
00:20:24,024 --> 00:20:26,944
Speaker 2: I mean, eventually, at the beginning, at least they did

456
00:20:27,064 --> 00:20:28,984
Speaker 2: make her look like she was living in shitty conditions,

457
00:20:29,304 --> 00:20:31,184
Speaker 2: like a whole bunch of different housemates, which I did

458
00:20:31,184 --> 00:20:33,224
Speaker 2: appreciate because often in shows like this they do end

459
00:20:33,304 --> 00:20:39,144
Speaker 2: up in this palatial apartment in Paris. So in episode

460
00:20:39,144 --> 00:20:41,264
Speaker 2: ten she has established herself as being in Paris, but

461
00:20:41,304 --> 00:20:44,304
Speaker 2: she's not as established as she wants to be as yet.

462
00:20:44,624 --> 00:20:49,464
Speaker 2: And of course, back home, Conrad is still just mooning

463
00:20:49,504 --> 00:20:53,664
Speaker 2: about the place missing belly, while jeremiz being a total dick.

464
00:20:53,744 --> 00:20:56,184
Speaker 2: What are your takes? Tina? On episode ten, I.

465
00:20:56,104 --> 00:20:58,584
Speaker 5: Just love how much we moved after the episode before

466
00:20:58,624 --> 00:21:00,224
Speaker 5: where she goes to Paris and we spent a whole

467
00:21:00,264 --> 00:21:02,424
Speaker 5: episode on chasing a bag and kicking a man in

468
00:21:02,424 --> 00:21:05,144
Speaker 5: a nightclub. Yes, it was fun, but I was like, guys,

469
00:21:05,184 --> 00:21:06,904
Speaker 5: we have two episodes left. We have so much ground

470
00:21:06,904 --> 00:21:08,624
Speaker 5: to cover. So I did really love that there was

471
00:21:08,664 --> 00:21:10,264
Speaker 5: a bit of a time jump from New Year's too.

472
00:21:11,024 --> 00:21:15,584
Speaker 5: I guess yeah, but I'm not team Jeremiah. I can't

473
00:21:15,584 --> 00:21:17,544
Speaker 5: with that man, and towards the end of this episode,

474
00:21:17,584 --> 00:21:19,504
Speaker 5: I did feel a little bit more for him, but

475
00:21:19,824 --> 00:21:22,984
Speaker 5: watching him sort of make his way through the friend group,

476
00:21:23,264 --> 00:21:26,184
Speaker 5: the stuff about Adam cutting him off, his behavior throughout

477
00:21:26,184 --> 00:21:27,664
Speaker 5: it all, I was like, Jeremiah, we still have so

478
00:21:27,744 --> 00:21:29,704
Speaker 5: much growing up to do with you. And I know

479
00:21:29,824 --> 00:21:31,424
Speaker 5: that you were hurt, and I know that you've been

480
00:21:31,624 --> 00:21:33,704
Speaker 5: left and your brother's hurt you. But I still just

481
00:21:33,704 --> 00:21:36,144
Speaker 5: feel for Conrad because watching the way that they were

482
00:21:36,184 --> 00:21:38,944
Speaker 5: all having this friends giving and Conrad's not invited and

483
00:21:38,944 --> 00:21:41,504
Speaker 5: he's at home by himself, I'm like, Steven and Taylor,

484
00:21:41,544 --> 00:21:43,464
Speaker 5: come on, you guys are friends with Conrad too, and

485
00:21:43,504 --> 00:21:45,424
Speaker 5: I understand that you would pick a side in something

486
00:21:45,464 --> 00:21:47,744
Speaker 5: like this, but it made me really upset. I did

487
00:21:47,744 --> 00:21:50,264
Speaker 5: cry a few times in this episode for my boy Connie.

488
00:21:50,504 --> 00:21:53,704
Speaker 5: Love that guy, but I did feel like Jeremiah had

489
00:21:53,704 --> 00:21:55,344
Speaker 5: some growing up to do. So I'm really glad that

490
00:21:55,384 --> 00:21:56,984
Speaker 5: we got to a point where he's like, he's got

491
00:21:56,984 --> 00:21:59,264
Speaker 5: a job in a restaurant, he's cutting onions. We saw

492
00:21:59,264 --> 00:22:03,104
Speaker 5: that emotional apology to Laurel that was so important to.

493
00:22:03,104 --> 00:22:05,344
Speaker 2: Me, and we just mentioned that obviously, cutting onions is

494
00:22:05,384 --> 00:22:09,024
Speaker 2: a reference to crying, so maybe he's starting to get.

495
00:22:08,904 --> 00:22:11,464
Speaker 5: In maybe he's getting in touch. And I did feel that, like,

496
00:22:11,504 --> 00:22:15,224
Speaker 5: as someone who has staunchly hated that man through this

497
00:22:15,264 --> 00:22:18,024
Speaker 5: whole thing, I went, Okay, I'm getting that you're going

498
00:22:18,064 --> 00:22:19,824
Speaker 5: to grow up a bit now, and I do feel

499
00:22:19,824 --> 00:22:22,024
Speaker 5: sorry for you obviously for what's happened, but you're also

500
00:22:22,104 --> 00:22:24,304
Speaker 5: taking a little bit more ownership of your part in

501
00:22:24,304 --> 00:22:25,344
Speaker 5: how to.

502
00:22:25,664 --> 00:22:26,344
Speaker 2: Ship though.

503
00:22:28,624 --> 00:22:28,864
Speaker 5: God.

504
00:22:29,904 --> 00:22:33,264
Speaker 2: But there was a scene that I felt was really

505
00:22:33,344 --> 00:22:35,584
Speaker 2: quite compelling when we're talking about jer and growing up,

506
00:22:35,624 --> 00:22:38,064
Speaker 2: where he and Conrad are at Susanna's grave because it's

507
00:22:38,064 --> 00:22:42,624
Speaker 2: the anniversary of her passing. And this I think Jenny

508
00:22:42,664 --> 00:22:45,024
Speaker 2: harn has pointed out quite a few times in both

509
00:22:45,064 --> 00:22:48,424
Speaker 2: The Boys relationship with Billy that Ja sees her as

510
00:22:48,424 --> 00:22:52,144
Speaker 2: something to obtain and Conrad sees her as someone to

511
00:22:52,304 --> 00:22:53,784
Speaker 2: nurture and to love.

512
00:22:54,224 --> 00:22:55,984
Speaker 7: Let's talk about how you hung around all summer like

513
00:22:56,024 --> 00:22:58,304
Speaker 7: a sneak in the grass, pretending to help me with

514
00:22:58,384 --> 00:23:00,584
Speaker 7: my wedding, when really you were trying to break it

515
00:23:00,664 --> 00:23:01,744
Speaker 7: up and take Billy for yourself.

516
00:23:01,824 --> 00:23:02,584
Speaker 2: That's not how it was.

517
00:23:02,624 --> 00:23:04,264
Speaker 5: You're so full of shit, Chare. I swear to you

518
00:23:04,384 --> 00:23:05,384
Speaker 5: that's not what was happening.

519
00:23:05,664 --> 00:23:08,824
Speaker 7: I loved her and you ruined it. You don't know

520
00:23:08,824 --> 00:23:12,904
Speaker 7: what it's like to be with someone that long. You build, well,

521
00:23:12,944 --> 00:23:16,024
Speaker 7: you lose when it disappears. She was my fucking world.

522
00:23:16,584 --> 00:23:17,504
Speaker 2: She loved her so much.

523
00:23:17,504 --> 00:23:19,064
Speaker 5: How could you go and sleep with someone else.

524
00:23:20,784 --> 00:23:24,984
Speaker 7: We were broken up. You want to know why, because

525
00:23:24,984 --> 00:23:29,504
Speaker 7: they know about the two of you on Christmas emitted

526
00:23:29,544 --> 00:23:32,144
Speaker 7: con You want a belly back, so you found a

527
00:23:32,184 --> 00:23:32,824
Speaker 7: way to take her.

528
00:23:32,944 --> 00:23:36,784
Speaker 5: You can't take someone, Jare. She's not a fucking object.

529
00:23:36,944 --> 00:23:38,744
Speaker 7: And the only reason that there was any wedding to

530
00:23:38,744 --> 00:23:40,784
Speaker 7: break up was because you were afraid of losing her.

531
00:23:41,224 --> 00:23:43,344
Speaker 2: We've seen it before. When you know, Jare's eating the

532
00:23:43,344 --> 00:23:46,704
Speaker 2: apple and he's just so happy that Belly told him

533
00:23:46,824 --> 00:23:49,344
Speaker 2: that she'd gone to Paris but had not told Conrad.

534
00:23:50,104 --> 00:23:53,824
Speaker 2: Whereas in the scene in front of the Grave, jer

535
00:23:54,024 --> 00:23:56,184
Speaker 2: is talking about how Conrad had done him dirty and

536
00:23:56,224 --> 00:23:58,504
Speaker 2: how he just wanted to take Belly from him, and

537
00:23:58,584 --> 00:24:02,744
Speaker 2: then Conrad says, you know, she's not an object, and

538
00:24:02,784 --> 00:24:05,544
Speaker 2: we can fully see this now Flesher and the boys

539
00:24:05,584 --> 00:24:08,824
Speaker 2: in therapy. He openly talks about Conrad this is being

540
00:24:08,864 --> 00:24:11,264
Speaker 2: in therapy, which is amazing. So we can just see

541
00:24:11,744 --> 00:24:14,704
Speaker 2: that really pointed difference between the two boys and what

542
00:24:14,704 --> 00:24:16,584
Speaker 2: their actual relationship with Belly is.

543
00:24:17,064 --> 00:24:19,744
Speaker 4: What I also take away from just in general both

544
00:24:19,784 --> 00:24:22,104
Speaker 4: those boys, how they've gone in these last couple of

545
00:24:22,104 --> 00:24:24,464
Speaker 4: episodes compared to Belly, is that we just see this

546
00:24:24,544 --> 00:24:27,944
Speaker 4: contrast between We finally see her get some agency as

547
00:24:27,944 --> 00:24:31,144
Speaker 4: a protagonist, have a hot girl summer that we've all

548
00:24:31,224 --> 00:24:34,184
Speaker 4: been wanting this whole time, actually get away from these

549
00:24:34,224 --> 00:24:37,784
Speaker 4: two boys, whereas their lives are very much run by

550
00:24:37,784 --> 00:24:40,384
Speaker 4: what she does, they're always thinking about her. And I

551
00:24:40,424 --> 00:24:45,424
Speaker 4: think it's when Taylor says to Jeremiah after the wedding breakdown,

552
00:24:45,544 --> 00:24:48,144
Speaker 4: he says, Belly is my whole world, and she says

553
00:24:48,224 --> 00:24:49,184
Speaker 4: maybe she shouldn't be.

554
00:24:49,384 --> 00:24:51,464
Speaker 1: Yeah, in this recent episode.

555
00:24:50,984 --> 00:24:52,944
Speaker 4: And even how the way they're talking about her at

556
00:24:52,984 --> 00:24:55,344
Speaker 4: the grave really calls back to that. It's like, you

557
00:24:55,384 --> 00:24:57,384
Speaker 4: guys need to have some other things going on in

558
00:24:57,424 --> 00:24:59,584
Speaker 4: your life that aren't just about this girl who's in

559
00:24:59,624 --> 00:25:02,824
Speaker 4: Paris living a whole new life. Get some hobbies, get

560
00:25:02,864 --> 00:25:06,104
Speaker 4: some hobbies, do some fithing, go catch fish, do what

561
00:25:06,184 --> 00:25:06,624
Speaker 4: men do?

562
00:25:06,864 --> 00:25:07,104
Speaker 2: You know?

563
00:25:08,144 --> 00:25:10,184
Speaker 5: But it does speak to like how much of their

564
00:25:10,624 --> 00:25:13,544
Speaker 5: rehearsal speeches the eventual will break up, how much of

565
00:25:13,584 --> 00:25:15,384
Speaker 5: their relationship was just tied to the fact that they

566
00:25:15,424 --> 00:25:17,824
Speaker 5: grew up together and they loved Susannah so much and

567
00:25:17,864 --> 00:25:21,544
Speaker 5: they lost her, and their whole relationship was just based

568
00:25:21,584 --> 00:25:23,784
Speaker 5: on them not wanting to lose each other too, not

569
00:25:23,824 --> 00:25:25,824
Speaker 5: necessarily that they were in love, but that they had

570
00:25:25,864 --> 00:25:28,704
Speaker 5: so much love for each other, and his wanting to

571
00:25:28,704 --> 00:25:31,544
Speaker 5: beat his brother finally at something, So to have that

572
00:25:31,584 --> 00:25:33,704
Speaker 5: moment at the grave where Conrad finally got to a

573
00:25:33,744 --> 00:25:36,024
Speaker 5: little bit stand up for himself, because my poor Connie

574
00:25:36,064 --> 00:25:38,144
Speaker 5: has been copying her, and I know he did the

575
00:25:38,144 --> 00:25:41,064
Speaker 5: wrong thing by telling an engage woman he loved her, But.

576
00:25:43,544 --> 00:25:45,184
Speaker 2: I mean, would I want my ex to tell me

577
00:25:45,224 --> 00:25:46,744
Speaker 2: that he was still madly in love with me the

578
00:25:46,864 --> 00:25:47,704
Speaker 2: night before my wedding?

579
00:25:47,904 --> 00:25:50,384
Speaker 9: Yeah, how maybe a week out, give me a week

580
00:25:50,784 --> 00:25:52,824
Speaker 9: so some time to brace him sometime, but like to

581
00:25:52,824 --> 00:25:55,584
Speaker 9: see him actually say to his brother in that conversation, like,

582
00:25:55,624 --> 00:25:57,384
Speaker 9: first of all, she's not an object, but also you

583
00:25:57,424 --> 00:25:59,904
Speaker 9: did the same thing to me, like to actually have

584
00:25:59,984 --> 00:26:02,744
Speaker 9: that moment of confrontation to go, Like you moved in

585
00:26:02,744 --> 00:26:04,424
Speaker 9: on her a month after I'd broken up with her

586
00:26:04,424 --> 00:26:05,544
Speaker 9: and knew I was in love with her.

587
00:26:05,584 --> 00:26:07,584
Speaker 5: What did you think would happen? Did you think I

588
00:26:07,624 --> 00:26:10,824
Speaker 5: could lose those feelings that you saw so obviously? I

589
00:26:10,864 --> 00:26:13,424
Speaker 5: was like, yes, yes we finally got it, and yes

590
00:26:13,464 --> 00:26:15,784
Speaker 5: it was emotional, and it took I guess months and months.

591
00:26:15,824 --> 00:26:16,744
Speaker 5: I don't even know where we are.

592
00:26:16,824 --> 00:26:17,984
Speaker 1: It's not quite the same, though.

593
00:26:17,984 --> 00:26:20,224
Speaker 4: I would like to point out that it's like moving

594
00:26:20,304 --> 00:26:22,344
Speaker 4: on your brother's high school girlfriend a month after you

595
00:26:22,344 --> 00:26:24,344
Speaker 4: broke up, storming in the night before the wedding.

596
00:26:24,504 --> 00:26:25,584
Speaker 5: Little bit of a difference.

597
00:26:26,424 --> 00:26:27,984
Speaker 1: Not to defend Jeremiah, but.

598
00:26:28,584 --> 00:26:31,144
Speaker 2: I honestly, Tomia's indefensible at this stage.

599
00:26:31,224 --> 00:26:31,784
Speaker 1: I'm stay.

600
00:26:32,184 --> 00:26:34,344
Speaker 2: So we have discussed a little bit about how awful

601
00:26:34,504 --> 00:26:37,904
Speaker 2: Jeremiah is in this particular season of the summer ten

602
00:26:37,944 --> 00:26:40,144
Speaker 2: pretty but can we talk about the cake please?

603
00:26:40,624 --> 00:26:43,104
Speaker 4: We have to talk about the seven hundred and fifty dollars,

604
00:26:43,144 --> 00:26:45,224
Speaker 4: his one thing, the one thing he wanted to the

605
00:26:45,224 --> 00:26:48,104
Speaker 4: wedding seven hundred and fifty dollars wedding cake, two tier

606
00:26:48,224 --> 00:26:51,064
Speaker 4: dark chocolate cake with a raspberry coolly filling and a

607
00:26:51,104 --> 00:26:52,064
Speaker 4: mirror glaze on top.

608
00:26:52,304 --> 00:26:53,024
Speaker 2: That's just one thing.

609
00:26:53,064 --> 00:26:54,864
Speaker 4: The ring could be tiny, but he had to have

610
00:26:54,944 --> 00:26:56,224
Speaker 4: the seven hundred and fifty.

611
00:26:55,944 --> 00:26:59,264
Speaker 2: Dollars dark clost ring in history and a seven hundred

612
00:26:59,304 --> 00:27:01,224
Speaker 2: and fifty dollar cake. I mean, have you seen how

613
00:27:01,264 --> 00:27:02,784
Speaker 2: many people have recreated that?

614
00:27:02,864 --> 00:27:05,544
Speaker 5: Have you seen that? Jenny Hahn a no cake? She

615
00:27:05,624 --> 00:27:07,584
Speaker 5: put it on her Instagram stories the other day. I

616
00:27:07,624 --> 00:27:09,784
Speaker 5: was like, our Jenny, devious woman. Ah.

617
00:27:10,344 --> 00:27:12,304
Speaker 8: And the important thing we lend is Cacau is the bean.

618
00:27:12,464 --> 00:27:13,464
Speaker 5: Co Cow is the bean.

619
00:27:14,024 --> 00:27:17,184
Speaker 6: Good news, Uh, I think we can still get the

620
00:27:17,224 --> 00:27:18,384
Speaker 6: cake from your preferred bakery.

621
00:27:18,504 --> 00:27:19,984
Speaker 7: Great the two tiermere glaze.

622
00:27:21,024 --> 00:27:22,304
Speaker 1: Uh slight change of plans.

623
00:27:22,864 --> 00:27:26,944
Speaker 6: How about a one tier chocolate cake with milk chocolate frosting.

624
00:27:27,544 --> 00:27:31,144
Speaker 1: No cocow, but you can still keep the raspberry coolly belly.

625
00:27:31,264 --> 00:27:34,784
Speaker 7: Cacao is the bean. It's what chocolate is made of. Look,

626
00:27:34,824 --> 00:27:37,104
Speaker 7: the whole flavor profile depends on the bitterness of the

627
00:27:37,184 --> 00:27:40,664
Speaker 7: dark chocolate and the sweet heartness of the raspberry. The

628
00:27:40,744 --> 00:27:42,504
Speaker 7: cake is my one thing and you said each of

629
00:27:42,584 --> 00:27:43,344
Speaker 7: us get one thing.

630
00:27:43,464 --> 00:27:46,344
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, I know I said that. But we we

631
00:27:46,504 --> 00:27:47,504
Speaker 1: just have to be realistic.

632
00:27:47,544 --> 00:27:49,704
Speaker 2: I mean we can't. We can't spend seven hundred and

633
00:27:49,784 --> 00:27:50,984
Speaker 2: fifty dollars.

634
00:27:50,744 --> 00:27:52,264
Speaker 1: On a cake. Then I'll put it on a card

635
00:27:52,304 --> 00:27:53,024
Speaker 1: and pay it off later.

636
00:27:53,624 --> 00:27:57,624
Speaker 2: Sure, Hey, I gotta go. Okay, the Willy.

637
00:27:57,424 --> 00:28:01,184
Speaker 5: Wonka edits of Jeremiah got me through that because that

638
00:28:01,424 --> 00:28:03,704
Speaker 5: was nonsense and I wanted him off my screen and

639
00:28:03,744 --> 00:28:05,384
Speaker 5: I was like, you are Willy Wonka trash.

640
00:28:05,584 --> 00:28:07,584
Speaker 4: One of the pure villain moments that will go down

641
00:28:07,624 --> 00:28:08,984
Speaker 4: in history, undoubted one hundred.

642
00:28:09,424 --> 00:28:13,304
Speaker 5: Yeah, even worse than everything else. I mean, there's a

643
00:28:13,344 --> 00:28:19,784
Speaker 5: pretty high bar, except telling his brother, I gave you belly. No,

644
00:28:19,984 --> 00:28:21,584
Speaker 5: it's the cal beans.

645
00:28:21,944 --> 00:28:24,304
Speaker 2: Speaking of the cheating scandal too, there is a big

646
00:28:24,344 --> 00:28:26,864
Speaker 2: call for T shirts to be made from Stephen's iconic

647
00:28:26,984 --> 00:28:30,224
Speaker 2: line in this series. Who the fuck is Lacey Barone?

648
00:28:30,304 --> 00:28:31,744
Speaker 5: I need it on a T shirt, I need it

649
00:28:31,744 --> 00:28:33,584
Speaker 5: on a mug hat. I'll wear it everywhere.

650
00:28:33,664 --> 00:28:34,544
Speaker 1: I need a spin off.

651
00:28:35,984 --> 00:28:38,464
Speaker 4: And why they hooked up in Carbo, it makes it

652
00:28:38,504 --> 00:28:39,624
Speaker 4: worse that it was in Carbo.

653
00:28:39,704 --> 00:28:41,224
Speaker 1: Somehow that makes the cheating much worse.

654
00:28:41,224 --> 00:28:45,504
Speaker 2: All the fact that it was twice too, Jeremiah. Look,

655
00:28:45,584 --> 00:28:47,984
Speaker 2: let's focus on Belly for a second, because she does

656
00:28:48,224 --> 00:28:50,584
Speaker 2: as you said, she's had hotgirl summer and then we've

657
00:28:50,784 --> 00:28:53,464
Speaker 2: you know, got her in winter now with this beautiful

658
00:28:53,944 --> 00:29:02,424
Speaker 2: Spanish benito. He's gorgeous and obviously like it's New Year's

659
00:29:02,424 --> 00:29:04,744
Speaker 2: and she goes in for the countdown passion rule, like

660
00:29:04,984 --> 00:29:08,064
Speaker 2: finally she kisses someone whose last name is not Fisher.

661
00:29:08,584 --> 00:29:12,224
Speaker 2: And now she's got her own apartment because her friend

662
00:29:12,264 --> 00:29:14,664
Speaker 2: has moved in with her girlfriend and given up her apartment,

663
00:29:15,024 --> 00:29:18,304
Speaker 2: and she's establishing himself as like an actual individual rather

664
00:29:18,344 --> 00:29:22,784
Speaker 2: than an extension of the Fisher family. Yeah, and now

665
00:29:22,944 --> 00:29:27,384
Speaker 2: we know Conrad is coming. Why I think we like

666
00:29:27,464 --> 00:29:29,464
Speaker 2: the hot boy in Paris?

667
00:29:29,664 --> 00:29:32,344
Speaker 4: We do, And this episode I've become a staunch I'm

668
00:29:32,384 --> 00:29:35,184
Speaker 4: just gonna call him Timothy shallow May, Timothy Challo May

669
00:29:35,464 --> 00:29:37,904
Speaker 4: support like he's who I now want to win, maybe

670
00:29:37,904 --> 00:29:39,384
Speaker 4: not forever, but for now, like.

671
00:29:39,384 --> 00:29:40,464
Speaker 1: This is not long enough.

672
00:29:40,704 --> 00:29:42,984
Speaker 5: Yeah, I do feel a little bit how I felt

673
00:29:43,144 --> 00:29:46,264
Speaker 5: watching Bridgeston season two when suddenly they're walking down the

674
00:29:46,304 --> 00:29:47,784
Speaker 5: aisle and I'm like, how are you going to get

675
00:29:47,784 --> 00:29:50,224
Speaker 5: out of this? That's how I feel with one episode left.

676
00:29:50,264 --> 00:29:52,984
Speaker 5: I'm like, we don't have enough time for me to

677
00:29:54,104 --> 00:29:57,304
Speaker 5: with Belly, to break up with mister Timothy Challomey, to

678
00:29:57,504 --> 00:29:59,624
Speaker 5: feel whatever she feels, and then for Conrad to be there,

679
00:29:59,664 --> 00:30:01,304
Speaker 5: and then for us to see them happy for once,

680
00:30:01,344 --> 00:30:03,184
Speaker 5: which seems so much heartache for them. I want to

681
00:30:03,184 --> 00:30:05,024
Speaker 5: see them happy. I'm like, Conrad, we don't have time

682
00:30:05,104 --> 00:30:07,504
Speaker 5: get to Paris. But also Timothy Challamey is there, What's

683
00:30:07,504 --> 00:30:10,704
Speaker 5: going to happen? I like that guy, but whatever, He's fine.

684
00:30:10,984 --> 00:30:14,064
Speaker 5: My main thing is he's no Conrad. But he's no Conrad.

685
00:30:14,104 --> 00:30:16,144
Speaker 5: But I'm really I agree. It's so nice to see

686
00:30:16,144 --> 00:30:18,184
Speaker 5: the sort of little time jump after New Year's where

687
00:30:18,224 --> 00:30:20,584
Speaker 5: it was like she's speaking French to her roommates and

688
00:30:20,584 --> 00:30:22,144
Speaker 5: she feels so much more confident she can have a

689
00:30:22,184 --> 00:30:22,864
Speaker 5: whole conversation.

690
00:30:22,904 --> 00:30:24,984
Speaker 2: Okay, just in saying that, I hated that her French

691
00:30:25,064 --> 00:30:27,024
Speaker 2: was that shit when she got to Paris, because we

692
00:30:27,064 --> 00:30:29,984
Speaker 2: saw her reading The Hunger Games in French at some stage.

693
00:30:29,744 --> 00:30:32,304
Speaker 1: And she didn't take any of that concs.

694
00:30:32,984 --> 00:30:35,184
Speaker 2: She spoke French in a previous season two and it

695
00:30:35,264 --> 00:30:37,344
Speaker 2: was a damn side better than what she had when

696
00:30:37,344 --> 00:30:38,344
Speaker 2: she rocked up to Paris.

697
00:30:38,624 --> 00:30:39,624
Speaker 1: You don't use it, you lose it.

698
00:30:40,304 --> 00:30:42,344
Speaker 2: Maybe and maybe like that's a symbol too of like

699
00:30:42,384 --> 00:30:44,464
Speaker 2: how much she gave up for Jeremiah because he.

700
00:30:44,424 --> 00:30:46,024
Speaker 1: Was man does not speak French.

701
00:30:46,184 --> 00:30:48,424
Speaker 2: She does not speak French, she's not practicing it, and

702
00:30:48,864 --> 00:30:50,304
Speaker 2: she gave up a lot to be with him, So

703
00:30:50,344 --> 00:30:52,224
Speaker 2: maybe that is a sign of that too. But like

704
00:30:52,304 --> 00:30:55,304
Speaker 2: seeing her speak fluently eventually is like, oh, yeah, this

705
00:30:55,344 --> 00:30:55,944
Speaker 2: is so nice.

706
00:30:55,824 --> 00:30:57,984
Speaker 5: And have a complete friendship group. It's not tied to

707
00:30:58,024 --> 00:31:00,144
Speaker 5: who she was as a child, and to have a

708
00:31:00,224 --> 00:31:03,584
Speaker 5: romantic interest doesn't have the surname Fisher. It was just

709
00:31:03,624 --> 00:31:05,464
Speaker 5: really nice to see her growing up and having that

710
00:31:05,504 --> 00:31:07,584
Speaker 5: moment because I think she needed it. We're off book

711
00:31:07,624 --> 00:31:10,784
Speaker 5: at the moment, we're not in the original story anymore.

712
00:31:10,824 --> 00:31:13,704
Speaker 5: So I think if we'd gone straight to Paris and

713
00:31:13,744 --> 00:31:15,904
Speaker 5: then Conrad showed up, like it wouldn't have felt like

714
00:31:15,984 --> 00:31:17,704
Speaker 5: she was ready for it, and it wouldn't have felt

715
00:31:17,704 --> 00:31:20,424
Speaker 5: like she was an adult. Like it really felt like

716
00:31:20,424 --> 00:31:23,064
Speaker 5: two kids cosplaying getting married when Jeremiah and Bellie were

717
00:31:23,104 --> 00:31:25,224
Speaker 5: going through the motions. So she really needed to like

718
00:31:25,264 --> 00:31:27,744
Speaker 5: have that independence and grow ups. I just loved seeing

719
00:31:27,784 --> 00:31:30,384
Speaker 5: her like get this new apartment and be supported, to

720
00:31:30,384 --> 00:31:33,424
Speaker 5: be supported by her mom, have a like lovely phone

721
00:31:33,424 --> 00:31:35,344
Speaker 5: call with her mom and be like, oh great, cool,

722
00:31:35,384 --> 00:31:36,944
Speaker 5: you're not going to try to stop me. Like it

723
00:31:36,984 --> 00:31:39,264
Speaker 5: really felt like her coming into adulthood, which is just

724
00:31:39,344 --> 00:31:40,024
Speaker 5: what she needed.

725
00:31:40,304 --> 00:31:42,584
Speaker 2: Before we move into our theories of where we're going

726
00:31:42,664 --> 00:31:45,144
Speaker 2: to go in next week's episode, can we just call

727
00:31:45,184 --> 00:31:48,744
Speaker 2: out a few things from this season One. Taylor is

728
00:31:48,784 --> 00:31:52,544
Speaker 2: my MVP of season three. That girl is the best

729
00:31:52,624 --> 00:31:56,024
Speaker 2: damn friend anyone could ask for. She's also befriended Conrad,

730
00:31:56,064 --> 00:31:58,064
Speaker 2: who she swore she would never be friends with, just

731
00:31:58,064 --> 00:32:00,184
Speaker 2: to give him the updates that he so desperately is

732
00:32:00,184 --> 00:32:03,704
Speaker 2: looking for with his woman now in Paris. Her and

733
00:32:03,744 --> 00:32:08,304
Speaker 2: Stephen great Denise. I loved, still love She's a great character.

734
00:32:08,784 --> 00:32:11,224
Speaker 2: I do not want to see her hook up Jeremiah. No,

735
00:32:11,464 --> 00:32:13,824
Speaker 2: even though they are sharing an apartment right now, Please

736
00:32:14,064 --> 00:32:16,104
Speaker 2: do not take it in that direction. She's too good

737
00:32:16,104 --> 00:32:19,064
Speaker 2: for him. She will become his mother in a way.

738
00:32:19,184 --> 00:32:21,264
Speaker 2: It looks like she is doing that. But I just

739
00:32:21,304 --> 00:32:22,464
Speaker 2: don't want to see him hook up.

740
00:32:22,624 --> 00:32:22,704
Speaker 3: No.

741
00:32:22,904 --> 00:32:25,584
Speaker 4: I agree with you about Taylor. I love Rain Spencer.

742
00:32:25,664 --> 00:32:28,424
Speaker 4: I think they have great chemistry. Her and Belly one

743
00:32:28,424 --> 00:32:30,144
Speaker 4: of the moments it really rang true for me. What

744
00:32:30,144 --> 00:32:32,304
Speaker 4: you're saying about her being such a great friend is

745
00:32:32,304 --> 00:32:35,584
Speaker 4: at the bachelorette party when Belly's crashing out in the

746
00:32:35,624 --> 00:32:38,624
Speaker 4: bathroom spiraling about which brother she wants. If that was

747
00:32:38,704 --> 00:32:41,424
Speaker 4: my friend the night before, you're like a couple of

748
00:32:41,504 --> 00:32:43,424
Speaker 4: nights before the wedding the way she had, but that

749
00:32:43,584 --> 00:32:46,264
Speaker 4: was more grace than most would give. Yeah, and she's

750
00:32:46,344 --> 00:32:48,224
Speaker 4: just there for her through every step of the way,

751
00:32:48,264 --> 00:32:50,144
Speaker 4: even though she's got so much going on in her

752
00:32:50,184 --> 00:32:53,424
Speaker 4: own life with Bellie's brother. She really proved herself as

753
00:32:53,424 --> 00:32:55,224
Speaker 4: an amazing friend in an adult way.

754
00:32:55,304 --> 00:32:57,864
Speaker 5: This she is very mature, and I think she's been

755
00:32:57,864 --> 00:33:00,224
Speaker 5: misunderstood a lot. In season one and two, people were like,

756
00:33:00,264 --> 00:33:03,464
Speaker 5: why is she so against Conrad, She's like sabotaging their romance,

757
00:33:03,464 --> 00:33:05,344
Speaker 5: She's getting in the way. But I think she's just

758
00:33:05,384 --> 00:33:07,544
Speaker 5: really pro Belly. She's just pro her best friend. And

759
00:33:07,584 --> 00:33:10,464
Speaker 5: the second that she she felt that shift that at

760
00:33:10,464 --> 00:33:13,944
Speaker 5: the bachelorette party, she realized, oh, this isn't what you want.

761
00:33:14,024 --> 00:33:16,064
Speaker 5: She did the hard thing, and she had the conversation

762
00:33:16,144 --> 00:33:17,984
Speaker 5: with her of being like, don't marry him if you're

763
00:33:17,984 --> 00:33:20,544
Speaker 5: not in it. And you know, I know that Belly

764
00:33:20,624 --> 00:33:22,784
Speaker 5: was upset, but for them to have that little fight

765
00:33:22,824 --> 00:33:24,944
Speaker 5: on the wedding day was obviously very upsetting, but it

766
00:33:24,984 --> 00:33:27,904
Speaker 5: also showed that, like Taylor's just team love and team

767
00:33:27,944 --> 00:33:29,624
Speaker 5: Belly and her friend, and even when her friend's going

768
00:33:29,664 --> 00:33:31,304
Speaker 5: to be mean to her, she will be on her side.

769
00:33:31,384 --> 00:33:33,424
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, I love to show the season she was

770
00:33:33,424 --> 00:33:34,144
Speaker 5: so fantastic.

771
00:33:34,304 --> 00:33:36,424
Speaker 4: I also kind of feel like rain Spencer could be

772
00:33:36,464 --> 00:33:38,104
Speaker 4: out Anna Kendrick from The Twilight Y.

773
00:33:38,184 --> 00:33:38,344
Speaker 2: Yeah.

774
00:33:38,384 --> 00:33:40,424
Speaker 1: Yeah, So Jennie Hendrick plays.

775
00:33:40,304 --> 00:33:42,464
Speaker 4: Jessica, who then went on to be one of the

776
00:33:42,504 --> 00:33:44,464
Speaker 4: biggest stars of the cast that was in that. She

777
00:33:44,504 --> 00:33:46,224
Speaker 4: went on to do Up in the Air shortly after

778
00:33:46,264 --> 00:33:49,264
Speaker 4: with George Clooney Pitch Perfect. She's done so much And

779
00:33:49,544 --> 00:33:51,704
Speaker 4: when I went to the summer at a pretty event

780
00:33:51,784 --> 00:33:53,624
Speaker 4: that was held here in Australia, when they were doing

781
00:33:53,664 --> 00:33:56,704
Speaker 4: all their promo, I felt rain Spencer had that similar

782
00:33:56,784 --> 00:33:58,384
Speaker 4: kind of energy, that feisty energy.

783
00:33:58,424 --> 00:33:59,664
Speaker 1: She gives a great interview.

784
00:33:59,824 --> 00:34:02,784
Speaker 4: I think her scope as an actor, like her character,

785
00:34:02,904 --> 00:34:04,984
Speaker 4: is quite different from who she is as a person,

786
00:34:05,224 --> 00:34:07,104
Speaker 4: and I'm really excited to see where she takes it

787
00:34:07,184 --> 00:34:09,024
Speaker 4: next and see if she could be that side character

788
00:34:09,104 --> 00:34:10,864
Speaker 4: breakout star from this I.

789
00:34:10,784 --> 00:34:13,344
Speaker 2: Would love that because I think she's incredible. Let's look

790
00:34:13,344 --> 00:34:16,424
Speaker 2: at the parents for a second. Adam still a major

791
00:34:16,464 --> 00:34:19,584
Speaker 2: dick ordering the feafood platter and someone else is paying.

792
00:34:19,664 --> 00:34:22,624
Speaker 2: How could you wash an asshole? But also the advice

793
00:34:22,664 --> 00:34:26,184
Speaker 2: he's giving his sons, like could it be any worse? Like, oh,

794
00:34:26,424 --> 00:34:28,304
Speaker 2: just that's why I didn't speak to you after your

795
00:34:28,304 --> 00:34:31,384
Speaker 2: mother died, because silence is great and space is wonderful,

796
00:34:31,424 --> 00:34:32,784
Speaker 2: Like what an idiot?

797
00:34:32,864 --> 00:34:35,464
Speaker 1: And I've run off with my secretary daily ran off.

798
00:34:35,304 --> 00:34:37,064
Speaker 2: With my secretary who I cheated on your mother with,

799
00:34:37,104 --> 00:34:39,984
Speaker 2: who I bowed to the wedding. Like he's just all

800
00:34:40,024 --> 00:34:40,944
Speaker 2: around horrible.

801
00:34:41,464 --> 00:34:43,384
Speaker 4: And you know, we look at Jeremiah and the real

802
00:34:43,464 --> 00:34:46,184
Speaker 4: like descent of his character into quite a bit of

803
00:34:46,184 --> 00:34:48,584
Speaker 4: a caricature villain this season, and then you look at

804
00:34:48,584 --> 00:34:50,464
Speaker 4: his dad and you're like, maybe it makes sense. Maybe

805
00:34:50,504 --> 00:34:53,144
Speaker 4: the one who took after his mum and Jeremiah took

806
00:34:53,144 --> 00:34:53,744
Speaker 4: after his dad.

807
00:34:53,944 --> 00:34:56,544
Speaker 2: Jeremiah did say that Conrad has her hands.

808
00:34:56,664 --> 00:35:01,664
Speaker 5: He's more like he is, true, But I do think

809
00:35:01,704 --> 00:35:03,424
Speaker 5: the best thing for Jerry is going to be being

810
00:35:03,424 --> 00:35:05,544
Speaker 5: cut off from his dad. That man is crazy.

811
00:35:05,664 --> 00:35:10,544
Speaker 2: He is tok sick Laurel and John for starters, Why

812
00:35:10,544 --> 00:35:13,944
Speaker 2: did John have major heartburn? I'm concerned there's a death coming.

813
00:35:14,144 --> 00:35:17,344
Speaker 2: Is he gonna die a major heart attack? I'm very

814
00:35:17,344 --> 00:35:18,024
Speaker 2: worried for him.

815
00:35:18,104 --> 00:35:18,224
Speaker 5: Well.

816
00:35:18,264 --> 00:35:20,824
Speaker 4: A lot of the fan theories about what does happen

817
00:35:20,904 --> 00:35:24,824
Speaker 4: in the finale do sent her around various potential deaths.

818
00:35:25,064 --> 00:35:26,984
Speaker 8: One of them I thought the same thing when I

819
00:35:27,024 --> 00:35:28,184
Speaker 8: saw death right now.

820
00:35:28,504 --> 00:35:30,584
Speaker 2: But also I want Laurel and John to get back together.

821
00:35:30,904 --> 00:35:34,384
Speaker 1: But did you do? I do? She already seems annoyed

822
00:35:34,384 --> 00:35:34,744
Speaker 1: at him.

823
00:35:34,824 --> 00:35:36,784
Speaker 4: She already seems like she's getting sick of him, Like

824
00:35:36,784 --> 00:35:39,664
Speaker 4: obviously they've had the divorce, They've had so much time apart,

825
00:35:39,824 --> 00:35:41,424
Speaker 4: and I feel like this season, when they're prepping the

826
00:35:41,504 --> 00:35:43,784
Speaker 4: Christmas dinner, she's like, I don't know John, and she's

827
00:35:43,784 --> 00:35:45,504
Speaker 4: just getting really worked up at him about little things.

828
00:35:45,544 --> 00:35:47,624
Speaker 1: And I'm like, is this a sign that maybe you.

829
00:35:47,664 --> 00:35:49,744
Speaker 4: Got caught up in the love bubble yourself and thought

830
00:35:49,744 --> 00:35:50,704
Speaker 4: this could work out?

831
00:35:50,864 --> 00:35:52,544
Speaker 2: Okay, you might be changing my mind.

832
00:35:53,224 --> 00:35:55,224
Speaker 5: I also read it as her being irritated by him,

833
00:35:55,224 --> 00:35:57,464
Speaker 5: but maybe it was also her being irritated by Like,

834
00:35:57,544 --> 00:36:00,104
Speaker 5: is Jeremiah coming? What these feuding brothers are going to

835
00:36:00,144 --> 00:36:02,184
Speaker 5: do to ruin my Christmas? Who could say like, but

836
00:36:02,264 --> 00:36:04,144
Speaker 5: it did read a little bit like she was not

837
00:36:04,584 --> 00:36:07,104
Speaker 5: thrilled with him asking her questions all the time. But

838
00:36:07,144 --> 00:36:09,224
Speaker 5: maybe they'll have some healthy communication and work it out.

839
00:36:09,344 --> 00:36:12,824
Speaker 5: They may have Conrad therapist. They might get Conrad Conrad

840
00:36:12,904 --> 00:36:13,824
Speaker 5: therapist and sorted out.

841
00:36:13,864 --> 00:36:16,384
Speaker 4: Because when the trailer first dropped and we have that

842
00:36:16,424 --> 00:36:18,504
Speaker 4: scene of Belly in the white dress, which we now

843
00:36:18,584 --> 00:36:21,704
Speaker 4: know wash in her dress, a lot of people theorize

844
00:36:21,744 --> 00:36:23,984
Speaker 4: that it could be at her parents' wedding getting back together,

845
00:36:24,024 --> 00:36:26,544
Speaker 4: and she's some kind of bridesmaid. I mean, other people

846
00:36:26,544 --> 00:36:29,824
Speaker 4: say the same thing about Taylor and Steven, So I mean,

847
00:36:29,864 --> 00:36:32,144
Speaker 4: I doubt we're gonna in one episode see her parents

848
00:36:32,144 --> 00:36:33,504
Speaker 4: fully get back together and get married.

849
00:36:33,544 --> 00:36:36,064
Speaker 5: But maybe I just want Laurel happy and if that

850
00:36:36,184 --> 00:36:36,864
Speaker 5: is with him.

851
00:36:36,784 --> 00:36:39,664
Speaker 2: Name I accept that she's a wonderful human being, Laurel.

852
00:36:39,824 --> 00:36:42,624
Speaker 2: I would like her to be everyone's like second mom.

853
00:36:42,744 --> 00:36:43,704
Speaker 1: Yes, she's lovely.

854
00:36:44,104 --> 00:36:47,944
Speaker 2: To my left. Here is one of top tiers Swifty

855
00:36:48,104 --> 00:36:48,744
Speaker 2: can we refresh?

856
00:36:48,784 --> 00:36:51,024
Speaker 5: She was like old star five percent of fans on

857
00:36:51,064 --> 00:36:52,304
Speaker 5: Spotify Great.

858
00:36:52,144 --> 00:36:55,104
Speaker 2: Okay, like the ultimate Swifties in the room. So if

859
00:36:55,104 --> 00:36:57,984
Speaker 2: you have not noticed there's a few Taylor Swift songs

860
00:36:58,344 --> 00:37:00,584
Speaker 2: in this season for sum right, tern pretty, We're going

861
00:37:00,664 --> 00:37:06,704
Speaker 2: to break down the absolute swiftness of season three next. Okay,

862
00:37:07,064 --> 00:37:09,064
Speaker 2: it would be remiss of us to have a giant

863
00:37:09,104 --> 00:37:13,464
Speaker 2: Swifty in the room and not discuss the insane amount

864
00:37:13,464 --> 00:37:15,944
Speaker 2: of money we presume they spent on the music budget

865
00:37:15,984 --> 00:37:18,544
Speaker 2: for this season. How many Taylor Swift tracks have we

866
00:37:18,704 --> 00:37:20,064
Speaker 2: seen so far? Do we have a count?

867
00:37:20,304 --> 00:37:20,464
Speaker 6: Oh?

868
00:37:20,544 --> 00:37:21,024
Speaker 2: Anyone know?

869
00:37:22,584 --> 00:37:25,384
Speaker 5: In the last episode, like it was a lot. I

870
00:37:25,384 --> 00:37:28,384
Speaker 5: spoke to Jenny Hahn before this season started and asked

871
00:37:28,384 --> 00:37:30,424
Speaker 5: her about the needle drops and I was like, are

872
00:37:30,464 --> 00:37:32,304
Speaker 5: you writing to them or are you adding them later?

873
00:37:32,464 --> 00:37:32,664
Speaker 7: Right?

874
00:37:32,704 --> 00:37:34,864
Speaker 5: And she's spoken a lot about how she's written to them.

875
00:37:34,864 --> 00:37:37,024
Speaker 5: And I think the biggest one from season one was

876
00:37:37,064 --> 00:37:38,824
Speaker 5: The Way I Loved You, And that was in the

877
00:37:38,824 --> 00:37:42,304
Speaker 5: Debutante ball. It played as Conrad came to save Belly

878
00:37:42,384 --> 00:37:44,624
Speaker 5: for the first time and they have this big romantic

879
00:37:44,664 --> 00:37:48,144
Speaker 5: moment and Taylor Swift plays that was beautiful. This season,

880
00:37:48,744 --> 00:37:51,264
Speaker 5: every five seconds there was a needle drop, yeah, And

881
00:37:51,304 --> 00:37:53,944
Speaker 5: I was like, we are getting intense with the needle drops.

882
00:37:53,984 --> 00:37:56,064
Speaker 5: And I do love the moments, but also sometimes you

883
00:37:56,104 --> 00:37:58,824
Speaker 5: have to let the scene or the actors speak for themselves.

884
00:37:59,184 --> 00:38:00,024
Speaker 2: Yeah, but when you can.

885
00:38:00,864 --> 00:38:03,704
Speaker 5: Day murder, Oh my god, that was a beautiful use

886
00:38:03,744 --> 00:38:06,744
Speaker 5: of sophiallis Baxter like crying in the bathtub, and then

887
00:38:06,744 --> 00:38:10,544
Speaker 5: it's like so when there were some other one it

888
00:38:10,544 --> 00:38:12,424
Speaker 5: was great. And look, I really love the Taylor Swift ones.

889
00:38:12,504 --> 00:38:14,984
Speaker 5: Obviously is a massive Swifty and the significance that it

890
00:38:15,144 --> 00:38:17,944
Speaker 5: brings to each scene. But there were so many of them.

891
00:38:18,224 --> 00:38:20,824
Speaker 5: I do think the most significant at the start being

892
00:38:20,824 --> 00:38:24,264
Speaker 5: the ones in the trailer, which was Daylight and Red.

893
00:38:24,424 --> 00:38:28,464
Speaker 5: Would you like me to explain the significance? To explain,

894
00:38:29,224 --> 00:38:30,904
Speaker 5: they did a mash up in the trailer and the

895
00:38:30,904 --> 00:38:32,744
Speaker 5: song Red is from the album Red, and if you

896
00:38:32,784 --> 00:38:34,304
Speaker 5: don't know it, it's one of I would say, one

897
00:38:34,304 --> 00:38:36,984
Speaker 5: of Taylor Swift's best songs. It's just lyrically beautiful and

898
00:38:37,024 --> 00:38:39,344
Speaker 5: it talks about a love and a romance that she's

899
00:38:39,424 --> 00:38:42,024
Speaker 5: lost and how loving him was red. And then she

900
00:38:42,064 --> 00:38:44,384
Speaker 5: had a song called Daylight years and years later about

901
00:38:44,384 --> 00:38:46,824
Speaker 5: a different romance completely but on that song she sings

902
00:38:46,824 --> 00:38:48,624
Speaker 5: the fact that you know, she once thought love would

903
00:38:48,624 --> 00:38:51,464
Speaker 5: be red, but it's actually golden. But what they did

904
00:38:51,464 --> 00:38:54,144
Speaker 5: in the summer re term pretty trailer is like remix

905
00:38:54,864 --> 00:38:57,504
Speaker 5: the meaning of what those two songs do together, so

906
00:38:57,864 --> 00:38:59,784
Speaker 5: they kind of say, like she says in the song,

907
00:38:59,824 --> 00:39:01,584
Speaker 5: I once believe love would be black and white, but

908
00:39:01,624 --> 00:39:03,824
Speaker 5: it's golden. But in the trailer they cut it before

909
00:39:03,824 --> 00:39:06,144
Speaker 5: she said, but it's golden, and they've played the snippet

910
00:39:06,304 --> 00:39:08,544
Speaker 5: of red, so that then the meaning would be that

911
00:39:08,624 --> 00:39:11,584
Speaker 5: Conrad is the color red, and losing him was red,

912
00:39:11,624 --> 00:39:14,104
Speaker 5: and like losing him was awful, and love for her

913
00:39:14,464 --> 00:39:16,264
Speaker 5: is this color red. So then what they've been able

914
00:39:16,304 --> 00:39:18,184
Speaker 5: to do throughout the whole season is, you know, bring

915
00:39:18,224 --> 00:39:21,704
Speaker 5: in some red Hydrangers, mid the Blue Hydrangers, or a

916
00:39:21,744 --> 00:39:23,904
Speaker 5: pop of red here and there to show that Conrad

917
00:39:24,024 --> 00:39:27,664
Speaker 5: is this really meaningful person to her. And the thing

918
00:39:27,704 --> 00:39:31,584
Speaker 5: that really cemented this for me was the flashback montage

919
00:39:31,584 --> 00:39:33,784
Speaker 5: that she edited in her own mind when she was

920
00:39:33,904 --> 00:39:39,264
Speaker 5: high in the club for her bachelorette party, and they

921
00:39:39,264 --> 00:39:41,544
Speaker 5: played Ariana Grande for that montage. But the thing is

922
00:39:41,624 --> 00:39:44,184
Speaker 5: the bridge of red is this really iconic line of

923
00:39:44,224 --> 00:39:47,704
Speaker 5: remembering him comes in flashbacks and echoes tell myself it's

924
00:39:47,744 --> 00:39:49,784
Speaker 5: time I have to let go, But moving on from

925
00:39:49,864 --> 00:39:52,024
Speaker 5: him is impossible when I still see it all in

926
00:39:52,064 --> 00:39:55,384
Speaker 5: my head. So to have that montage of all of

927
00:39:55,384 --> 00:39:57,744
Speaker 5: her most beautiful moments with Conrad when she's high, I'm like,

928
00:39:57,824 --> 00:40:02,344
Speaker 5: loving him was red, You're so right, belly barely as

929
00:40:02,384 --> 00:40:04,064
Speaker 5: much as I'm like, oh, there's too many. I love

930
00:40:04,104 --> 00:40:06,624
Speaker 5: every single one because it's always the perfect one for

931
00:40:06,984 --> 00:40:09,424
Speaker 5: the scene. They've just nailed it, even in the most

932
00:40:09,504 --> 00:40:12,864
Speaker 5: recent episode using the one a song about like how

933
00:40:12,864 --> 00:40:14,424
Speaker 5: it would have been so great if this man turned

934
00:40:14,424 --> 00:40:16,824
Speaker 5: out to be the one. As we're seeing Conrad make

935
00:40:16,864 --> 00:40:18,824
Speaker 5: the decision to fly to Paris and her make the

936
00:40:18,864 --> 00:40:21,544
Speaker 5: decision to write him back. What a beautiful little needle

937
00:40:21,584 --> 00:40:22,104
Speaker 5: drop moment.

938
00:40:22,384 --> 00:40:24,784
Speaker 4: Sometimes watching the Summer YT ten pretty does feel like

939
00:40:24,824 --> 00:40:28,544
Speaker 4: an extended music video shit film, kind of reminiscent of

940
00:40:29,024 --> 00:40:31,944
Speaker 4: one of Taylor's like All Too Well. And Jenny has

941
00:40:31,944 --> 00:40:33,864
Speaker 4: said that while she was writing the series, she was

942
00:40:33,904 --> 00:40:36,304
Speaker 4: listening to Fearless on repeat, which is the album that

943
00:40:36,584 --> 00:40:39,024
Speaker 4: The Way I Loved You is from, and the themes

944
00:40:39,024 --> 00:40:42,384
Speaker 4: in that really crossover with this. It's very coming of age, it's.

945
00:40:42,344 --> 00:40:43,344
Speaker 1: Very first love.

946
00:40:43,744 --> 00:40:46,064
Speaker 4: And her big dream, as you were saying, was for

947
00:40:46,104 --> 00:40:48,224
Speaker 4: Taylor Swift music to feature if this was made into

948
00:40:48,224 --> 00:40:50,824
Speaker 4: a series, and so when she was first working on

949
00:40:50,864 --> 00:40:54,144
Speaker 4: it and Amazon Music rep told her, you should write

950
00:40:54,144 --> 00:40:57,064
Speaker 4: a handwritten note to Taylor Swift explaining why this means

951
00:40:57,104 --> 00:40:58,904
Speaker 4: so much to you, which is how the Way I

952
00:40:58,944 --> 00:41:01,224
Speaker 4: Loved You ended up being in season one, and then

953
00:41:01,264 --> 00:41:03,344
Speaker 4: all these other songs. They've obviously got some all deal

954
00:41:03,424 --> 00:41:06,584
Speaker 4: going and I think even behind the scenes it plays

955
00:41:06,624 --> 00:41:09,944
Speaker 4: a really big part because in the scene where Bellie

956
00:41:10,024 --> 00:41:14,344
Speaker 4: Finished's Conrad's Crossword, apparently it didn't feature in the show,

957
00:41:14,584 --> 00:41:16,904
Speaker 4: but they were playing for the actor for Lola Toungu,

958
00:41:17,144 --> 00:41:19,104
Speaker 4: they were playing all too well by Taylor Swift to

959
00:41:19,104 --> 00:41:19,744
Speaker 4: help her get.

960
00:41:19,584 --> 00:41:22,304
Speaker 2: Into the So it was one of the crossword another

961
00:41:22,384 --> 00:41:26,424
Speaker 2: Jenny Hahn TV show. The clue is from one of

962
00:41:26,464 --> 00:41:27,544
Speaker 2: her other TV shows.

963
00:41:27,584 --> 00:41:29,824
Speaker 5: Oh, I think it was. It might have been Exo Kitty.

964
00:41:29,664 --> 00:41:30,784
Speaker 2: Yeah, it might have been.

965
00:41:31,024 --> 00:41:33,384
Speaker 4: And I think that Easter Eggs sort of crossover of

966
00:41:33,424 --> 00:41:35,864
Speaker 4: how Taylor loves doing Easter eggs for her fans, Jenny

967
00:41:35,904 --> 00:41:37,304
Speaker 4: Hann loves doing Easter.

968
00:41:37,184 --> 00:41:38,024
Speaker 1: Eggs for her fans.

969
00:41:38,024 --> 00:41:40,144
Speaker 4: So if you look at a Venn diagram of Jenny

970
00:41:40,184 --> 00:41:42,944
Speaker 4: Hann fans and Taylor Swift fans, we all like love

971
00:41:42,984 --> 00:41:44,904
Speaker 4: all of it because we just love these little clues,

972
00:41:44,944 --> 00:41:47,384
Speaker 4: We love the romance, we love the teasers, and I

973
00:41:47,384 --> 00:41:49,704
Speaker 4: feel like Jenny Hann and Taylor would get along really well.

974
00:41:49,744 --> 00:41:52,264
Speaker 5: And it's really smart because we all associate a lot

975
00:41:52,304 --> 00:41:54,424
Speaker 5: of these teen shows with certain songs, like the OC

976
00:41:54,824 --> 00:41:56,904
Speaker 5: I can't hear a bunch of songs without thinking of

977
00:41:56,944 --> 00:41:59,144
Speaker 5: that show. And then like Jenny Hahn's To All the

978
00:41:59,184 --> 00:42:01,624
Speaker 5: Boys adaptation, there are songs from that movie where the

979
00:42:01,664 --> 00:42:03,744
Speaker 5: second I hear them, I go, oh my God, Lara Gene.

980
00:42:03,864 --> 00:42:06,144
Speaker 5: But I think the use of Taylor Swift is so smart,

981
00:42:06,224 --> 00:42:08,504
Speaker 5: especially in this like TikTok Era, where everyone wants to

982
00:42:08,584 --> 00:42:11,544
Speaker 5: edit the heartbreaking scenes to the song like that was

983
00:42:11,584 --> 00:42:14,264
Speaker 5: always going to be a major success to use Taylor

984
00:42:14,304 --> 00:42:17,464
Speaker 5: Swift's music to reel into these romantic moments. But we

985
00:42:17,544 --> 00:42:20,504
Speaker 5: do have to thank her brother, Austin. Taylor Swift's brother

986
00:42:20,704 --> 00:42:23,024
Speaker 5: is in charge of licensing all of her TV show

987
00:42:23,064 --> 00:42:25,264
Speaker 5: and music, like all of her music used in TV

988
00:42:25,304 --> 00:42:27,984
Speaker 5: shows and movies. So even though Taylor obviously was like

989
00:42:28,104 --> 00:42:30,744
Speaker 5: go for cold, we have Austin to thank because he's

990
00:42:30,784 --> 00:42:33,144
Speaker 5: sitting there going you can use your losing me and

991
00:42:33,184 --> 00:42:37,584
Speaker 5: snow on the beach. Please here have it, thank you?

992
00:42:37,624 --> 00:42:39,984
Speaker 2: Can we mention finishing on Sign of the Times in

993
00:42:40,024 --> 00:42:40,704
Speaker 2: episode ten?

994
00:42:40,984 --> 00:42:42,024
Speaker 1: Oh that really hit.

995
00:42:42,104 --> 00:42:45,424
Speaker 2: I mean when you cried, I like cried.

996
00:42:45,784 --> 00:42:48,144
Speaker 1: Well, the non tailor music is amazing to get what

997
00:42:48,184 --> 00:42:48,664
Speaker 1: you're saying that.

998
00:42:48,744 --> 00:42:52,344
Speaker 4: It's like, it's so emotive Harry Styles, it's wild horses

999
00:42:52,344 --> 00:42:55,224
Speaker 4: playing during the Peaches scene. You just get an emotional

1000
00:42:55,584 --> 00:42:57,384
Speaker 4: hit throughout each episode.

1001
00:42:57,544 --> 00:42:59,384
Speaker 5: You know one really did it for me and you

1002
00:42:59,464 --> 00:43:01,424
Speaker 5: might feel this too. On not so sure.

1003
00:43:02,224 --> 00:43:02,784
Speaker 6: This must.

1004
00:43:05,024 --> 00:43:07,384
Speaker 5: After the big Beach Montage, which I could talk about

1005
00:43:07,384 --> 00:43:09,944
Speaker 5: for days. The next morning when Conrad and Belly are

1006
00:43:09,944 --> 00:43:11,744
Speaker 5: talking in kitchen and he's like, no, I love you,

1007
00:43:11,784 --> 00:43:14,144
Speaker 5: and you have always known with or without you by

1008
00:43:14,184 --> 00:43:17,584
Speaker 5: you two plays are without but I cannot think of that.

1009
00:43:17,704 --> 00:43:19,904
Speaker 5: I think Australian women of a certain age cannot think

1010
00:43:19,944 --> 00:43:23,864
Speaker 5: of that song without thinking of looking for al A Brandy. Oh,

1011
00:43:23,944 --> 00:43:28,424
Speaker 5: of course, such.

1012
00:43:28,224 --> 00:43:30,944
Speaker 2: A pivotal moment for our like coming of age.

1013
00:43:30,744 --> 00:43:33,224
Speaker 5: Coming of age, and like I know that obviously Jenny

1014
00:43:33,424 --> 00:43:36,344
Speaker 5: is not watching for Brandy and taking notes, but for me,

1015
00:43:38,424 --> 00:43:40,624
Speaker 5: and I mean, it's just it's a wonderful you two song.

1016
00:43:40,624 --> 00:43:42,824
Speaker 5: But for that that song to start playing, I bawled

1017
00:43:42,824 --> 00:43:43,384
Speaker 5: my eyes out.

1018
00:43:43,464 --> 00:43:47,144
Speaker 2: Yeah, great music choices. Okay, it's time to talk theories

1019
00:43:47,424 --> 00:43:51,224
Speaker 2: because there are a lot of them. The wildest one

1020
00:43:51,264 --> 00:43:53,704
Speaker 2: I have seen so far as in how this series

1021
00:43:53,744 --> 00:43:55,184
Speaker 2: is going to wrap up, because, as you've mentioned a

1022
00:43:55,184 --> 00:43:57,464
Speaker 2: few times, Tina, like there's not enough time left to

1023
00:43:57,864 --> 00:44:01,384
Speaker 2: pull all those threads together and make sense of it's stressful,

1024
00:44:01,864 --> 00:44:06,904
Speaker 2: very unwell. So, speaking of unwell, the theory is that

1025
00:44:06,944 --> 00:44:11,064
Speaker 2: this is nothing more than Susannah's fever dream because you

1026
00:44:11,104 --> 00:44:13,904
Speaker 2: know how like all throughout every season it's literally been

1027
00:44:13,944 --> 00:44:16,824
Speaker 2: Susanna trying to push this narrative to Belly that one

1028
00:44:16,864 --> 00:44:19,504
Speaker 2: of those boys is for her, and then there's lots

1029
00:44:19,504 --> 00:44:21,784
Speaker 2: of kind of suggestions that it's supposed to be Conrad

1030
00:44:21,904 --> 00:44:26,424
Speaker 2: from Susannah and so like, even though she loves both

1031
00:44:26,424 --> 00:44:29,224
Speaker 2: her boys equally and wants them both to have a

1032
00:44:29,224 --> 00:44:32,464
Speaker 2: great relationship with Belly, that really she wants her to

1033
00:44:32,664 --> 00:44:35,344
Speaker 2: end up with Conrad. And we know that she's been unwell.

1034
00:44:35,824 --> 00:44:39,144
Speaker 2: I mean in the series she's actually dead. Sorry spoiler

1035
00:44:39,184 --> 00:44:42,344
Speaker 2: if you if you ever watched it, But this is

1036
00:44:42,384 --> 00:44:45,624
Speaker 2: gonna like end up in hospital where we like zoom

1037
00:44:45,664 --> 00:44:49,464
Speaker 2: out of Susanna's faces.

1038
00:44:52,664 --> 00:44:53,344
Speaker 5: I'm not dead.

1039
00:44:53,704 --> 00:44:56,304
Speaker 2: She died too long ago for this theory to be real,

1040
00:44:56,424 --> 00:44:58,264
Speaker 2: but she comes back in flashbacks all the time.

1041
00:44:58,304 --> 00:45:01,064
Speaker 5: She was back in flashback in Justice last episode.

1042
00:45:01,304 --> 00:45:03,984
Speaker 2: So there's this theory that maybe this is nothing more

1043
00:45:04,024 --> 00:45:07,704
Speaker 2: than Susanna's wild fantasy that she wanted her two families,

1044
00:45:07,704 --> 00:45:09,904
Speaker 2: her best friend's family and hers to be one.

1045
00:45:09,824 --> 00:45:11,944
Speaker 1: A little bit but weird, okay.

1046
00:45:12,064 --> 00:45:14,224
Speaker 5: I love what people like and the twisters. It was

1047
00:45:14,264 --> 00:45:14,904
Speaker 5: all a dream.

1048
00:45:15,664 --> 00:45:17,744
Speaker 1: We're going back to Grade English.

1049
00:45:18,504 --> 00:45:20,864
Speaker 2: And he woke up and it was all and Susanna

1050
00:45:20,944 --> 00:45:22,824
Speaker 2: is alive and everyone is fine and everyone's happy.

1051
00:45:22,944 --> 00:45:23,464
Speaker 5: Start again.

1052
00:45:23,544 --> 00:45:29,744
Speaker 4: Yeah, death centered theory circulating, okay, which is essentially that

1053
00:45:29,864 --> 00:45:31,864
Speaker 4: Conrad I don't know how exactly he would get sick

1054
00:45:31,944 --> 00:45:32,904
Speaker 4: enough to die in one episode.

1055
00:45:32,904 --> 00:45:33,464
Speaker 1: Maybe there's a time.

1056
00:45:33,704 --> 00:45:35,304
Speaker 2: This is why everyone kept talking about why his lips

1057
00:45:35,304 --> 00:45:37,344
Speaker 2: are so pale, what he looks a little.

1058
00:45:37,144 --> 00:45:41,984
Speaker 4: Bit ill, And a lot of people are saying, maybe, okay,

1059
00:45:41,984 --> 00:45:43,264
Speaker 4: this is a bit of a leap and a jump,

1060
00:45:43,384 --> 00:45:46,984
Speaker 4: but maybe we're gearing up for Conrad to die. Kaylee,

1061
00:45:47,104 --> 00:45:50,784
Speaker 4: his dad's secretary slash girlfriend, is pregnant and they are

1062
00:45:50,864 --> 00:45:53,144
Speaker 4: gearing up to an ending where they name the baby

1063
00:45:53,264 --> 00:45:54,184
Speaker 4: after Conrad.

1064
00:45:54,504 --> 00:45:57,224
Speaker 2: A couple of theory Adam has two children he calls Conrad.

1065
00:45:57,264 --> 00:45:58,424
Speaker 2: That's odd, that is.

1066
00:45:58,424 --> 00:46:00,664
Speaker 1: Actually who's Conrad Junior?

1067
00:46:00,944 --> 00:46:03,144
Speaker 4: A couple of theories that well, A couple of little

1068
00:46:03,224 --> 00:46:06,264
Speaker 4: tipbits that point to this. In the rehearsal dinner, when

1069
00:46:06,264 --> 00:46:10,024
Speaker 4: everyone takes a sip of champagne, Kaylee doesn't appear to

1070
00:46:10,064 --> 00:46:10,624
Speaker 4: drink her.

1071
00:46:10,584 --> 00:46:12,584
Speaker 1: Champagne and she's pregnant.

1072
00:46:13,104 --> 00:46:16,464
Speaker 4: And also he's presumably been in a relationship with Kaylee

1073
00:46:16,544 --> 00:46:18,984
Speaker 4: for quite a while, but now is bringing her to

1074
00:46:19,024 --> 00:46:21,344
Speaker 4: family events, introducing her to the boys, and everyone's like,

1075
00:46:21,464 --> 00:46:23,224
Speaker 4: it's because they have a little brother coming.

1076
00:46:23,504 --> 00:46:25,824
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he also hates her family and is like,

1077
00:46:26,424 --> 00:46:29,424
Speaker 2: doesn't have Thanksgiving with them? Like ati, Well, we've established

1078
00:46:29,424 --> 00:46:30,824
Speaker 2: Adam is awful, but yes.

1079
00:46:30,824 --> 00:46:35,504
Speaker 5: Can she not have the baby without us killing Conrad?

1080
00:46:36,824 --> 00:46:38,784
Speaker 1: Hearing up to a new baby called Conrad?

1081
00:46:38,984 --> 00:46:42,064
Speaker 2: Also, whoever made that video where they took Susanna's funeral

1082
00:46:42,104 --> 00:46:44,664
Speaker 2: and put Conrad's photo in the frame like it was

1083
00:46:44,744 --> 00:46:47,744
Speaker 2: actually a thing. People lost their collective minds, like how

1084
00:46:48,184 --> 00:46:49,464
Speaker 2: dare you kill Conrad?

1085
00:46:49,824 --> 00:46:49,904
Speaker 1: Like?

1086
00:46:50,024 --> 00:46:52,904
Speaker 2: How dare you? But there's also another death theory I saw,

1087
00:46:53,144 --> 00:46:57,624
Speaker 2: sorry to hijack this is crazy, but apparently it kind

1088
00:46:57,704 --> 00:47:00,384
Speaker 2: of alludes to another great movie than Hathaway movie. I

1089
00:47:00,384 --> 00:47:03,824
Speaker 2: think it's called One Day, where, like the epic movie,

1090
00:47:03,824 --> 00:47:06,504
Speaker 2: where she is in contact with a man throughout her

1091
00:47:06,744 --> 00:47:09,504
Speaker 2: entire sort of adult life, on and off over the years,

1092
00:47:09,504 --> 00:47:11,344
Speaker 2: and they try and to establish relationship and fail, and

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00:47:11,344 --> 00:47:13,424
Speaker 2: then when they finally do, she gets hit by truck.

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00:47:13,504 --> 00:47:16,464
Speaker 5: Yes, so devastating. They also made it a TV show

1095
00:47:16,464 --> 00:47:17,264
Speaker 5: if you guys want to watch that.

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00:47:19,024 --> 00:47:20,224
Speaker 1: We don't need this to happen.

1097
00:47:20,424 --> 00:47:23,184
Speaker 2: If Barely dies, what if she's the one riding the

1098
00:47:23,184 --> 00:47:24,904
Speaker 2: bike and gets hit by truck just as her and

1099
00:47:24,984 --> 00:47:27,664
Speaker 2: Conrad establish themselves as this long lost love.

1100
00:47:27,704 --> 00:47:30,824
Speaker 5: If someone dies last week, I will throw my television

1101
00:47:30,864 --> 00:47:33,504
Speaker 5: out of the window. I am not okay with this.

1102
00:47:33,544 --> 00:47:35,504
Speaker 5: I have seen one death. I don't need more. I

1103
00:47:36,664 --> 00:47:38,624
Speaker 5: like the theories though, I like who ever sitting in

1104
00:47:38,704 --> 00:47:41,064
Speaker 5: their room connecting these like dark webs and being like

1105
00:47:41,144 --> 00:47:44,104
Speaker 5: it has to be death who I don't know. It's

1106
00:47:44,144 --> 00:47:46,464
Speaker 5: the only way we can wrap this up in one episode.

1107
00:47:46,504 --> 00:47:48,064
Speaker 4: Well, but there's not enough time for us to have

1108
00:47:48,144 --> 00:47:50,504
Speaker 4: a happy period and a dot all in one episode

1109
00:47:50,984 --> 00:47:51,584
Speaker 4: three hours.

1110
00:47:51,584 --> 00:47:52,784
Speaker 1: We need a little bit of happy.

1111
00:47:52,984 --> 00:47:56,264
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm hoping this is like movie length double episode.

1112
00:47:56,384 --> 00:47:58,104
Speaker 2: Okay, well the theories have you heard?

1113
00:47:58,624 --> 00:48:01,624
Speaker 5: My theories are so tame, guys, No one's dying in mind.

1114
00:48:02,064 --> 00:48:04,024
Speaker 5: The one that's been kicking around for me, first of all,

1115
00:48:04,064 --> 00:48:06,424
Speaker 5: was that people thought that Jeremiah would end up with Redbird.

1116
00:48:06,784 --> 00:48:09,384
Speaker 5: So that was one theory that was kicking wild.

1117
00:48:09,544 --> 00:48:09,904
Speaker 1: Theory.

1118
00:48:10,024 --> 00:48:12,264
Speaker 5: They were like, they wore the same like puka shell

1119
00:48:12,344 --> 00:48:16,664
Speaker 5: necklace once and everyone was like, ooh, synergy, they must

1120
00:48:16,784 --> 00:48:18,744
Speaker 5: end up together. They are actually quite fun, but I

1121
00:48:18,744 --> 00:48:21,904
Speaker 5: think they're more bros. But the one that is taking

1122
00:48:21,944 --> 00:48:24,104
Speaker 5: hold of me since the last episode is the fact

1123
00:48:24,144 --> 00:48:25,904
Speaker 5: that Denise kind of speaks about the fact that when

1124
00:48:25,904 --> 00:48:28,424
Speaker 5: she falls, she falls really hard, and she's looking at

1125
00:48:28,464 --> 00:48:31,064
Speaker 5: Jeremiah in this kind of way that's like I'm talking

1126
00:48:31,104 --> 00:48:32,904
Speaker 5: about you, dude, like I'm talking about you, and I

1127
00:48:32,944 --> 00:48:34,704
Speaker 5: don't want it to happen. But I do think that

1128
00:48:34,824 --> 00:48:37,344
Speaker 5: Jeremiah and her are going to fall in love and

1129
00:48:37,384 --> 00:48:40,224
Speaker 5: we're going to see them be happy. We're probably not

1130
00:48:40,224 --> 00:48:42,104
Speaker 5: even going to get any time of Conrad and Belly

1131
00:48:42,184 --> 00:48:44,904
Speaker 5: being happy. We're sure going to see these two bloody people.

1132
00:48:44,904 --> 00:48:46,864
Speaker 2: We have Conrad look up with Agnes.

1133
00:48:48,504 --> 00:48:52,784
Speaker 4: Surely not Denise and Jeremiah talking about some Conrad show

1134
00:48:52,944 --> 00:48:56,944
Speaker 4: ends fever dream, everyone's.

1135
00:48:58,944 --> 00:49:02,904
Speaker 2: Climate change cousins gets flooded, it's all over.

1136
00:49:03,064 --> 00:49:06,504
Speaker 5: That's too dark. But yeah, I think they're gonna obviously

1137
00:49:06,624 --> 00:49:08,304
Speaker 5: end up together, is the way that we're going. That's

1138
00:49:08,304 --> 00:49:11,504
Speaker 5: the more realistic theory that I have seen recently, and

1139
00:49:11,544 --> 00:49:13,504
Speaker 5: the theory about the box has convinced me that we're

1140
00:49:13,504 --> 00:49:15,744
Speaker 5: going to get a second drop of an episode. I

1141
00:49:15,744 --> 00:49:17,984
Speaker 5: think they might try to surprise us, like it's gonna end,

1142
00:49:18,144 --> 00:49:20,784
Speaker 5: there's gonna be Internet uproar, and then they're gonna go,

1143
00:49:20,864 --> 00:49:22,744
Speaker 5: We've got one more to go. You go, guys, here's

1144
00:49:22,744 --> 00:49:23,304
Speaker 5: a treat.

1145
00:49:23,184 --> 00:49:26,224
Speaker 4: Okay, Well, my personal little theory and want is that.

1146
00:49:26,344 --> 00:49:28,544
Speaker 4: So these two boys drop off for a good while,

1147
00:49:28,744 --> 00:49:30,904
Speaker 4: like no letters, no telegrams, no.

1148
00:49:34,144 --> 00:49:34,824
Speaker 1: He turns around.

1149
00:49:34,944 --> 00:49:36,504
Speaker 2: Can we just talked about the letters for a second

1150
00:49:36,504 --> 00:49:39,304
Speaker 2: before you go into this theory? Because the letters, oh

1151
00:49:39,384 --> 00:49:41,824
Speaker 2: my lord, the billy does not respond to accept with

1152
00:49:41,864 --> 00:49:46,864
Speaker 2: that little whack. So she still wants the letters, but like,

1153
00:49:46,984 --> 00:49:48,904
Speaker 2: oh I miss you, I love you, and it's like,

1154
00:49:48,984 --> 00:49:50,864
Speaker 2: I don't know how I would feel if someone wrote

1155
00:49:50,864 --> 00:49:51,704
Speaker 2: me letters like that.

1156
00:49:51,824 --> 00:49:52,704
Speaker 1: I think about your time.

1157
00:49:52,744 --> 00:49:55,144
Speaker 5: She's like so sweet. It's nice, here's my new address,

1158
00:49:56,064 --> 00:49:58,384
Speaker 5: but the one like the final one he sent her

1159
00:49:58,424 --> 00:50:00,424
Speaker 5: before she finally was like, all right, he's a postcard,

1160
00:50:00,664 --> 00:50:02,784
Speaker 5: like of being like just in case it's not clear,

1161
00:50:02,904 --> 00:50:05,424
Speaker 5: like I think about you all the time. I was crying.

1162
00:50:05,584 --> 00:50:07,384
Speaker 5: I'm going on this is insane.

1163
00:50:07,544 --> 00:50:09,224
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well he also sent her junior men.

1164
00:50:09,424 --> 00:50:13,144
Speaker 5: Oh my god, that was so beautiful, but also chocked it,

1165
00:50:13,824 --> 00:50:15,624
Speaker 5: like to see that, Like she got a package and

1166
00:50:15,624 --> 00:50:16,944
Speaker 5: she's like, I'm I going to get right now in

1167
00:50:16,944 --> 00:50:17,704
Speaker 5: the middle of the night.

1168
00:50:17,824 --> 00:50:21,624
Speaker 2: When she says to barely, the Fisher boys are like,

1169
00:50:21,744 --> 00:50:24,504
Speaker 2: so last season, get a new purse. I need to

1170
00:50:24,544 --> 00:50:27,064
Speaker 2: clap that. Yeah that was so good. But sorry, your

1171
00:50:27,104 --> 00:50:28,824
Speaker 2: theory that you want? What do you want to happen?

1172
00:50:29,024 --> 00:50:31,024
Speaker 1: So what I would like is they just drop off.

1173
00:50:31,024 --> 00:50:32,304
Speaker 1: They leave her alone for a little bit.

1174
00:50:32,424 --> 00:50:35,024
Speaker 4: She has a whole Emily and Paris era with Benito

1175
00:50:35,304 --> 00:50:37,904
Speaker 4: Timothy shell May and she learns how to write a vesper.

1176
00:50:38,104 --> 00:50:40,704
Speaker 4: They were doing that after a few whiles, giving me anxiety.

1177
00:50:40,704 --> 00:50:44,824
Speaker 4: I was like, get so irresponsible, not drink and drive exactly,

1178
00:50:45,064 --> 00:50:47,304
Speaker 4: but then in the future, because I really do think

1179
00:50:47,344 --> 00:50:49,904
Speaker 4: that Taylor and Steven are endgame and they're the true

1180
00:50:50,064 --> 00:50:53,384
Speaker 4: love really of this season. I really think that in

1181
00:50:53,424 --> 00:50:55,264
Speaker 4: a few years, at the wedding, that could be a

1182
00:50:55,264 --> 00:50:57,464
Speaker 4: great point for reconnection. She's gone off and had her

1183
00:50:57,504 --> 00:50:59,864
Speaker 4: own thing, and then at the wedding, I assume she'll

1184
00:50:59,864 --> 00:51:02,384
Speaker 4: be made of honor, a bridesmaid or something. They'll reconnect

1185
00:51:02,424 --> 00:51:03,824
Speaker 4: and then that might be a good time for her

1186
00:51:03,864 --> 00:51:05,744
Speaker 4: and Conrad. Although I really just hope he's gone on

1187
00:51:05,864 --> 00:51:07,344
Speaker 4: hinge or like gone on a few dates with some

1188
00:51:07,424 --> 00:51:09,624
Speaker 4: other girls in that time, because he's a lovely boy

1189
00:51:09,664 --> 00:51:11,944
Speaker 4: studying medicine, like he should really just you know, just

1190
00:51:11,944 --> 00:51:14,864
Speaker 4: see what's out that U. Once he's done that, then

1191
00:51:14,904 --> 00:51:16,824
Speaker 4: they can come together and then loving him can be of.

1192
00:51:16,824 --> 00:51:19,104
Speaker 2: Course he'll be in the bridal party too, because he

1193
00:51:19,144 --> 00:51:20,944
Speaker 2: and Stephen will make up and be happy.

1194
00:51:21,224 --> 00:51:22,664
Speaker 5: I would love that so much. I wish we had

1195
00:51:22,704 --> 00:51:25,024
Speaker 5: fifty more episodes and like ten more seasons because I

1196
00:51:25,144 --> 00:51:28,184
Speaker 5: need to see Stephen and Conrad together again as best.

1197
00:51:28,024 --> 00:51:30,224
Speaker 2: And I want to see Taylor and Stephen living, Taylor.

1198
00:51:30,024 --> 00:51:33,104
Speaker 5: And Stephen happy, and I want I want this rewrite

1199
00:51:33,144 --> 00:51:33,424
Speaker 5: the script.

1200
00:51:33,464 --> 00:51:35,384
Speaker 2: Okay, no more debts. Mon has the answer.

1201
00:51:35,544 --> 00:51:36,824
Speaker 1: I'll send through some notes to them.

1202
00:51:36,984 --> 00:51:37,264
Speaker 2: Thank you.

1203
00:51:37,344 --> 00:51:39,224
Speaker 5: Yeah, you go get on a call with Prime Video.

1204
00:51:39,304 --> 00:51:39,624
Speaker 1: Let's talk.

1205
00:51:39,784 --> 00:51:43,944
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can use the Taylor's with song, but this

1206
00:51:44,024 --> 00:51:47,184
Speaker 2: is what I want. Well, I think we could talk

1207
00:51:47,184 --> 00:51:49,944
Speaker 2: for another two years about this season of the summerrit

1208
00:51:50,104 --> 00:51:52,744
Speaker 2: en pretty, but you will get another dose of this

1209
00:51:52,784 --> 00:51:56,064
Speaker 2: because there is technically whoever you want to believe, one

1210
00:51:56,104 --> 00:51:58,344
Speaker 2: more episode left to go and we will be back

1211
00:51:58,384 --> 00:52:02,024
Speaker 2: to talk about it next week. So day tuned for that.

1212
00:52:02,624 --> 00:52:04,944
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for listening to watch Party today.

1213
00:52:05,224 --> 00:52:07,544
Speaker 2: Make sure you're following the show, so get our finale

1214
00:52:07,544 --> 00:52:10,224
Speaker 2: special next week. We'll see you back here next there's

1215
00:52:10,464 --> 00:52:15,944
Speaker 2: day Oh my god, finale beside myself knows what will happen,

1216
00:52:16,464 --> 00:52:27,144
Speaker 2: but we will talk about it, Okay, bye bye bye