1 00:00:11,064 --> 00:00:11,424 Speaker 1: So much. 2 00:00:11,464 --> 00:00:16,064 Speaker 2: You're listening to a Mamma Mia podcast. Mamma Mia acknowledges 3 00:00:16,144 --> 00:00:19,624 Speaker 2: the traditional owners of land and borders that this podcast 4 00:00:19,704 --> 00:00:27,104 Speaker 2: is recorded on From Mamma Mia. Welcome to the Spill 5 00:00:27,184 --> 00:00:28,624 Speaker 2: your daily pop culture Fixed. 6 00:00:28,944 --> 00:00:31,544 Speaker 3: I'm Laura Brodnick and I'm m Venam and coming up 7 00:00:31,544 --> 00:00:32,344 Speaker 3: from the show today. 8 00:00:32,464 --> 00:00:35,304 Speaker 2: Oh guys, it's a hectic one today. The story around 9 00:00:35,384 --> 00:00:38,544 Speaker 2: Kanye West and his wife Biankis and Sori is getting 10 00:00:38,624 --> 00:00:41,264 Speaker 2: so much worse. There have been some fresh allegations that 11 00:00:41,264 --> 00:00:42,464 Speaker 2: were going to need to get into. 12 00:00:42,904 --> 00:00:47,464 Speaker 3: But first, The BET Awards took place yesterday, celebrating black 13 00:00:47,504 --> 00:00:50,664 Speaker 3: excellence across film, music, sports. 14 00:00:50,264 --> 00:00:51,104 Speaker 2: And philanthropy. 15 00:00:51,704 --> 00:00:54,984 Speaker 3: Some of the categories are Best Artists, Best Movie, Best Sportsman, 16 00:00:55,064 --> 00:00:58,624 Speaker 3: Best Sportswoman. So it covers a lot which I didn't realize. 17 00:00:58,664 --> 00:01:00,944 Speaker 3: But it is one of the most fun award shows 18 00:01:00,944 --> 00:01:03,704 Speaker 3: in my opinion to watch, especially the performances. I think 19 00:01:03,704 --> 00:01:07,944 Speaker 3: the performances outdo any other award show performances. This year, 20 00:01:07,944 --> 00:01:11,464 Speaker 3: it was hosted by actress Taraji p Hen. She was 21 00:01:11,824 --> 00:01:14,504 Speaker 3: so funny. She's a comedian actress and then she's also 22 00:01:14,544 --> 00:01:17,344 Speaker 3: a singer. She was in the remake of The color purple. 23 00:01:17,824 --> 00:01:21,024 Speaker 3: She is absolutely brilliant. The nominations this year were also 24 00:01:21,264 --> 00:01:24,184 Speaker 3: highly competitive. Some of the big wins were Scissor. She 25 00:01:24,304 --> 00:01:26,664 Speaker 3: won for Best R and B and Pop Artist. Nick 26 00:01:26,784 --> 00:01:29,744 Speaker 3: Minaj won for Best Female Hip Hop Artist. Kendrick Klamar 27 00:01:29,864 --> 00:01:31,944 Speaker 3: also won for Best Male Hip Hop Artists, which was 28 00:01:31,984 --> 00:01:34,864 Speaker 3: a bit controversial because Drake was also in that category. 29 00:01:35,064 --> 00:01:37,744 Speaker 2: If you watch the live stream of it, the tension 30 00:01:37,824 --> 00:01:39,184 Speaker 2: the room, of the silence of the room when their 31 00:01:39,264 --> 00:01:41,424 Speaker 2: names both called out, that's exciting, that's what you wanted 32 00:01:41,544 --> 00:01:43,064 Speaker 2: to watch, really exciting. 33 00:01:43,264 --> 00:01:46,184 Speaker 3: The biggest wins in my opinion were Victoria men At 34 00:01:46,384 --> 00:01:49,304 Speaker 3: and Usha. They both had a few wins each under 35 00:01:49,344 --> 00:01:51,864 Speaker 3: their belt. Usha one of the award t one was 36 00:01:51,864 --> 00:01:55,344 Speaker 3: a Lifetime Achievement Award, and he made a thirteen minute 37 00:01:55,384 --> 00:01:58,464 Speaker 3: speech only for the audio to cut out for people 38 00:01:58,464 --> 00:01:59,424 Speaker 3: who were streaming in. 39 00:01:59,864 --> 00:02:02,224 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, so you could hear it in the room, apparently, 40 00:02:02,224 --> 00:02:04,184 Speaker 2: and they released all these statements because it was such 41 00:02:04,184 --> 00:02:05,744 Speaker 2: a big deal that it cut out, But anyone who 42 00:02:05,784 --> 00:02:08,224 Speaker 2: was watching it on their screen or the live stream, 43 00:02:08,704 --> 00:02:11,064 Speaker 2: it just went silent for a big chunk of this 44 00:02:11,184 --> 00:02:13,664 Speaker 2: thirteen minute speech, and you can see the emotion on 45 00:02:13,704 --> 00:02:16,784 Speaker 2: his face, but just complete silence, no idea what he's saying. 46 00:02:16,984 --> 00:02:18,584 Speaker 2: And so now if you go back and watch it, 47 00:02:18,584 --> 00:02:20,424 Speaker 2: because you can now go back and stream the whole thing, 48 00:02:20,704 --> 00:02:23,984 Speaker 2: they've replaced the audio. But I was just that poor man, 49 00:02:24,384 --> 00:02:24,704 Speaker 2: and it. 50 00:02:24,744 --> 00:02:27,664 Speaker 3: Was like such a moving speech as well, especially when 51 00:02:27,664 --> 00:02:31,664 Speaker 3: he talked about his upbringing and his relationship with his father. 52 00:02:31,824 --> 00:02:33,104 Speaker 3: Will play a little snippet. 53 00:02:33,184 --> 00:02:34,624 Speaker 1: I'm gonna take my glasses off because I want you 54 00:02:34,704 --> 00:02:36,144 Speaker 1: to see my eyes and I want you to understand 55 00:02:36,144 --> 00:02:40,624 Speaker 1: this real I was trying to make sense of this 56 00:02:40,864 --> 00:02:45,704 Speaker 1: name that a man gave me that didn't stick around 57 00:02:45,704 --> 00:02:49,504 Speaker 1: because he didn't love me, or at least that was 58 00:02:49,544 --> 00:02:52,344 Speaker 1: my perception of it, because I had to live long 59 00:02:52,464 --> 00:02:54,384 Speaker 1: enough in order to understand that you have to have 60 00:02:54,424 --> 00:02:59,984 Speaker 1: a forgiving heart, in order to understand the true pitfalls 61 00:02:59,984 --> 00:03:05,024 Speaker 1: and hardships of a black man in America. And my father, 62 00:03:06,384 --> 00:03:08,424 Speaker 1: he was a product that at he made a lot 63 00:03:08,424 --> 00:03:11,184 Speaker 1: of decisions. He made a lot of choices, and the 64 00:03:11,184 --> 00:03:14,824 Speaker 1: one that probably hurt and helped me at the same 65 00:03:14,824 --> 00:03:16,944 Speaker 1: time was to stay awake. But that's part of the 66 00:03:16,984 --> 00:03:19,184 Speaker 1: reason why I say this is the Year of the Father, 67 00:03:19,584 --> 00:03:21,504 Speaker 1: where all the fathers got to stand up for their 68 00:03:21,504 --> 00:03:24,624 Speaker 1: sons and daughters and be the man that they need 69 00:03:24,624 --> 00:03:25,984 Speaker 1: to be for them. 70 00:03:26,464 --> 00:03:27,904 Speaker 2: That made me cry. That's feech. 71 00:03:27,984 --> 00:03:30,984 Speaker 3: It was so beautiful. So the Beat did put the 72 00:03:31,104 --> 00:03:34,544 Speaker 3: video on YouTube. They also released the full transcript It's 73 00:03:34,584 --> 00:03:38,464 Speaker 3: just so moving. Also, because Usha did win the Lifetime 74 00:03:38,504 --> 00:03:40,984 Speaker 3: Achievement Award, there was a lot of performance, doing a 75 00:03:41,024 --> 00:03:43,544 Speaker 3: bit of a medley of all of his greatest hits. 76 00:03:43,584 --> 00:03:47,904 Speaker 3: It included Childish Gambino, Victoria Manet, Chloe Bailey, and Kiki Palmer. 77 00:03:48,144 --> 00:03:49,224 Speaker 2: I forgot she could sing. 78 00:03:49,304 --> 00:03:51,464 Speaker 3: She's such a good singer, she can do anything. Will 79 00:03:51,504 --> 00:03:53,744 Speaker 3: Smith also did a performance Did you see this? 80 00:03:54,144 --> 00:03:56,224 Speaker 2: No, I haven't seen his full performance What did You Do? 81 00:03:56,304 --> 00:03:58,664 Speaker 3: He debuted a new song called you Can Make It 82 00:03:58,744 --> 00:04:01,384 Speaker 3: and it was kind of a gospel infused song. It 83 00:04:01,424 --> 00:04:04,144 Speaker 3: featured Friday as well as the Sunday Service Choir that 84 00:04:04,304 --> 00:04:06,984 Speaker 3: Kanye West created and produced. 85 00:04:07,424 --> 00:04:09,984 Speaker 2: It was really good. I mean, he was a musician 86 00:04:10,024 --> 00:04:12,264 Speaker 2: and for so many years. It's just now he's went 87 00:04:12,304 --> 00:04:15,504 Speaker 2: more into like serious acting and blockbusters. He doesn't do, 88 00:04:15,624 --> 00:04:17,984 Speaker 2: you know, like live performances that much. But that was 89 00:04:18,064 --> 00:04:20,144 Speaker 2: a big corner stone of his career for a long time. 90 00:04:20,264 --> 00:04:21,904 Speaker 2: I've to listened to this song. It doesn't sound like 91 00:04:21,944 --> 00:04:23,704 Speaker 2: it's getting jiggy with it, which is my purse. It's 92 00:04:23,704 --> 00:04:25,824 Speaker 2: at chiky, I can tell you this right now, So 93 00:04:26,344 --> 00:04:28,704 Speaker 2: that sols a banger. It's very serious. 94 00:04:29,184 --> 00:04:31,944 Speaker 3: We also have to talk about the Red carpet because yes, 95 00:04:32,104 --> 00:04:35,504 Speaker 3: the outfits were amazing. Do you have a favorite? Oh 96 00:04:35,624 --> 00:04:37,704 Speaker 3: to be a favorite, Okay. I was just so excited 97 00:04:37,744 --> 00:04:39,704 Speaker 3: because we haven't had a really goods red carpet for 98 00:04:39,744 --> 00:04:42,704 Speaker 3: a while because it's off the main award season circuit 99 00:04:43,104 --> 00:04:45,904 Speaker 3: and so just looking at that sea of amazing outfits, 100 00:04:45,904 --> 00:04:48,024 Speaker 3: so it was like a little Christmas present come early. 101 00:04:48,384 --> 00:04:51,944 Speaker 2: Maybe Ice Spice, Yeah, beautiful. Her dress was amazing, her 102 00:04:51,944 --> 00:04:52,464 Speaker 2: whole look. 103 00:04:52,664 --> 00:04:55,224 Speaker 3: She was like in this peachy orange like cut up 104 00:04:55,304 --> 00:04:58,184 Speaker 3: dress with matching hair. She always like kills it with 105 00:04:58,264 --> 00:05:00,344 Speaker 3: the hair game, like she always brings it. 106 00:05:00,544 --> 00:05:01,904 Speaker 2: My favorite had to be the. 107 00:05:01,864 --> 00:05:04,824 Speaker 3: Bailey sisters Chloe and oh Yaily. Oh my god, they 108 00:05:04,984 --> 00:05:07,784 Speaker 3: were matching, but they didn't walk the carpet together, but 109 00:05:07,824 --> 00:05:10,184 Speaker 3: they looked so beautiful in like this sleek black cut. 110 00:05:11,424 --> 00:05:15,424 Speaker 3: There are heaps of outfits. I literally downloaded twenty and 111 00:05:15,504 --> 00:05:17,504 Speaker 3: my laptop that are just sitting there I'm going to 112 00:05:17,504 --> 00:05:20,184 Speaker 3: be posting all of those on us bill Instagram account. 113 00:05:20,224 --> 00:05:22,184 Speaker 3: You can follow us at this Bill podcast and let 114 00:05:22,224 --> 00:05:23,584 Speaker 3: us know which one of your favorite is. 115 00:05:25,944 --> 00:05:28,264 Speaker 2: So this year, there have been a number of allegations 116 00:05:28,304 --> 00:05:31,344 Speaker 2: against Kanye West to do with the brands he owns 117 00:05:31,384 --> 00:05:33,944 Speaker 2: and his workplaces. And so I'm going to take you 118 00:05:33,984 --> 00:05:37,264 Speaker 2: back to April when the first of the lawsuits started happening. 119 00:05:37,544 --> 00:05:40,144 Speaker 2: So at this time, a former employee of Kanye West 120 00:05:40,224 --> 00:05:44,384 Speaker 2: filed a lawsuit against him, accusing him of harassment, discrimination, 121 00:05:44,824 --> 00:05:48,064 Speaker 2: and also retaliation, among a lot of other allegations that 122 00:05:48,064 --> 00:05:51,504 Speaker 2: were in this very extensive lawsuit that was obtained by CNN. 123 00:05:51,824 --> 00:05:54,384 Speaker 2: Trevor Phillips is his name? I mean, I know Kanye 124 00:05:54,464 --> 00:05:57,224 Speaker 2: West's legal name is Ya and so like in the documents, 125 00:05:57,224 --> 00:05:59,264 Speaker 2: that's what he's called. But just to for consistency, I'm 126 00:05:59,264 --> 00:06:01,024 Speaker 2: just going to call him Kanye Ye. Feel like that's 127 00:06:01,024 --> 00:06:04,544 Speaker 2: the least of his problems right now. So the lawsuit 128 00:06:04,584 --> 00:06:08,024 Speaker 2: that Trevor Phillips file was against the Yeezy company. And also, 129 00:06:08,384 --> 00:06:10,704 Speaker 2: don't have people realize that Karne owns an off rates, 130 00:06:10,744 --> 00:06:14,024 Speaker 2: a Christian school in Los Angeles that goes from k 131 00:06:14,304 --> 00:06:17,144 Speaker 2: to year twelve and it's called the Dondo Academy. 132 00:06:17,264 --> 00:06:19,504 Speaker 3: No, I thought he just had the Sunday Church. 133 00:06:19,984 --> 00:06:22,344 Speaker 2: It was like a Christian private school that he runs. 134 00:06:22,464 --> 00:06:24,184 Speaker 2: That was a huge thing a little while ago when 135 00:06:24,264 --> 00:06:26,104 Speaker 2: Kanye West blew up on social I mean there's been 136 00:06:26,104 --> 00:06:28,064 Speaker 2: a lot of times and was getting angry at his 137 00:06:28,184 --> 00:06:30,864 Speaker 2: ex wife Kim Kardashian because I'm not gonna say the 138 00:06:30,904 --> 00:06:32,624 Speaker 2: name of the school, but everyone knows, like all the 139 00:06:32,664 --> 00:06:36,184 Speaker 2: Kardashian kids, all the cousins all go to this one 140 00:06:36,464 --> 00:06:39,824 Speaker 2: very wealthy private school. I think it's like near Calabasas 141 00:06:39,824 --> 00:06:42,744 Speaker 2: where they all live. And Kanye West was putting up 142 00:06:42,784 --> 00:06:44,464 Speaker 2: the name of the school and saying he didn't want 143 00:06:44,504 --> 00:06:46,064 Speaker 2: his kids to go there. He wants them to go 144 00:06:46,104 --> 00:06:48,304 Speaker 2: to the Dondo Academy. And that was a huge thing, 145 00:06:48,344 --> 00:06:50,144 Speaker 2: and people were saying, like, how dare you say where 146 00:06:50,184 --> 00:06:51,904 Speaker 2: your kids go to school. You're putting them in danger. 147 00:06:52,304 --> 00:06:54,544 Speaker 2: Other people were saying, the Kardashians are there out the 148 00:06:54,544 --> 00:06:56,824 Speaker 2: front every day, so people already know. It just became 149 00:06:56,904 --> 00:06:59,664 Speaker 2: this whole, huge, messy thing with kids involved, which has 150 00:06:59,704 --> 00:07:02,384 Speaker 2: been one of the awful takeaways from this. So in 151 00:07:02,424 --> 00:07:05,704 Speaker 2: the lawsuit, Phillips alleged that Kanye treated all the black 152 00:07:05,744 --> 00:07:08,864 Speaker 2: staff in his company consistently worse than the white employees 153 00:07:09,144 --> 00:07:12,464 Speaker 2: and called the discrimination against the very severe. He said 154 00:07:12,664 --> 00:07:15,384 Speaker 2: even when they were like in session, like at the 155 00:07:15,424 --> 00:07:18,224 Speaker 2: school or in the company in meetings, that Kanye would 156 00:07:18,264 --> 00:07:21,584 Speaker 2: scream and break black employees and would never raise his 157 00:07:21,704 --> 00:07:24,424 Speaker 2: voice or change his tone when talking to the white stuff. 158 00:07:24,424 --> 00:07:27,704 Speaker 2: This is all in the lawsuit. And then Phillips, who 159 00:07:27,784 --> 00:07:30,584 Speaker 2: himself is a black man, said that Kanye wears and 160 00:07:30,624 --> 00:07:32,864 Speaker 2: this is a direct quote from his lawsuit, would spew 161 00:07:32,944 --> 00:07:36,504 Speaker 2: forth hate, profess anti semitic tropes, and lies to threaten 162 00:07:36,544 --> 00:07:41,064 Speaker 2: the LGBTQ plus community, and even on one occasion, sexually 163 00:07:41,104 --> 00:07:42,984 Speaker 2: stimulated himself in front of him. 164 00:07:43,464 --> 00:07:47,224 Speaker 3: Oh my god, that's so upsetting. I didn't even know 165 00:07:47,304 --> 00:07:50,184 Speaker 3: that this was like the extent of the lawsuits, because 166 00:07:50,184 --> 00:07:53,704 Speaker 3: I haven't seen anything online about like the detail of 167 00:07:53,784 --> 00:07:57,464 Speaker 3: what was happening. I knew that people were suing him, 168 00:07:58,024 --> 00:08:01,744 Speaker 3: but I think when a celebrity, especially a male celebrity, 169 00:08:02,224 --> 00:08:04,584 Speaker 3: have so many lawsuits against them, it all just kind 170 00:08:04,624 --> 00:08:06,704 Speaker 3: of merges into one, and you don't really give the 171 00:08:06,744 --> 00:08:09,984 Speaker 3: time for the victims to actually hear their each individual 172 00:08:10,024 --> 00:08:11,144 Speaker 3: story exactly. 173 00:08:11,184 --> 00:08:13,064 Speaker 2: I think with Kanye West, it's like so many men 174 00:08:13,104 --> 00:08:14,704 Speaker 2: who are in the public eye where there's been so 175 00:08:14,864 --> 00:08:19,064 Speaker 2: many really upsetting stories or allegations against them. Like no 176 00:08:19,064 --> 00:08:20,584 Speaker 2: one wants to say this out loud, but I think 177 00:08:20,624 --> 00:08:22,704 Speaker 2: we are in this place of fatigue, which I do 178 00:08:22,824 --> 00:08:25,224 Speaker 2: understand if you're hearing one story in the news cycle 179 00:08:25,304 --> 00:08:27,864 Speaker 2: over and over again, that there's a lot of stories 180 00:08:27,864 --> 00:08:29,904 Speaker 2: that people have been like, oh, I've heard like the 181 00:08:29,944 --> 00:08:33,144 Speaker 2: initial bad reports of allegations against his person. And so 182 00:08:33,304 --> 00:08:35,544 Speaker 2: if it's year after year and more keep coming out, 183 00:08:35,544 --> 00:08:37,824 Speaker 2: they can't take that on because there was a moment 184 00:08:37,864 --> 00:08:39,784 Speaker 2: in time when But it's a couple of years ago 185 00:08:39,824 --> 00:08:42,624 Speaker 2: now when Kim and Kanye first broke up, and you know, 186 00:08:42,624 --> 00:08:45,584 Speaker 2: he had full access to his Instagram account then and 187 00:08:45,664 --> 00:08:48,744 Speaker 2: he still had all of his endorsements and industry contacts 188 00:08:48,784 --> 00:08:50,824 Speaker 2: all that sort of thing, and the things that he 189 00:08:50,904 --> 00:08:54,704 Speaker 2: was putting up on his Instagram account like really vile 190 00:08:54,744 --> 00:08:57,824 Speaker 2: and aggressive towards the Kardashian family but also people he 191 00:08:57,904 --> 00:09:00,224 Speaker 2: used to work with, other people in the industry and 192 00:09:00,304 --> 00:09:02,344 Speaker 2: saying a lot of problematic things. And if you think 193 00:09:02,384 --> 00:09:05,424 Speaker 2: back to October twenty twenty two and This upsets so 194 00:09:05,464 --> 00:09:08,584 Speaker 2: many people, particularly in the black community, especially when you're 195 00:09:08,584 --> 00:09:10,584 Speaker 2: taking into account what was happening at the time then, 196 00:09:10,624 --> 00:09:14,024 Speaker 2: and also just the escalation of this situation over the 197 00:09:14,104 --> 00:09:16,584 Speaker 2: last couple of years. Is that Kanye West wore a 198 00:09:16,664 --> 00:09:19,504 Speaker 2: white Lives Matter T shirt and he dressed And the 199 00:09:19,584 --> 00:09:21,304 Speaker 2: other thing is that so he wore the T shirt 200 00:09:21,464 --> 00:09:23,664 Speaker 2: with Candaez on ones, which is a whole situation I 201 00:09:23,704 --> 00:09:25,744 Speaker 2: don't want to get into right now. And he also 202 00:09:25,904 --> 00:09:27,784 Speaker 2: dressed several of the black models who were in his 203 00:09:27,904 --> 00:09:30,784 Speaker 2: clothing show at the time to walk down the runway 204 00:09:30,784 --> 00:09:33,504 Speaker 2: at Paris Fashion Week in white Lives Matter T shirt. 205 00:09:34,024 --> 00:09:36,664 Speaker 2: That slogan has been linked to the Anti Defamation League 206 00:09:36,664 --> 00:09:40,024 Speaker 2: of the klu Klux Klan, So it's like very problematic. 207 00:09:40,064 --> 00:09:41,704 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, it's problematic reading it, but if 208 00:09:41,704 --> 00:09:43,264 Speaker 2: you look more into the history and how it's being 209 00:09:43,344 --> 00:09:47,104 Speaker 2: utilized lately, it's been linked to inciting violence around the 210 00:09:47,144 --> 00:09:50,624 Speaker 2: time that Kanye was linking to this message, so it 211 00:09:50,704 --> 00:09:53,184 Speaker 2: was having a real time effect. And also a lot 212 00:09:53,184 --> 00:09:55,904 Speaker 2: of women of color who were in the industry and 213 00:09:55,944 --> 00:09:57,864 Speaker 2: who were at the show and spoke out against it, 214 00:09:57,904 --> 00:10:01,104 Speaker 2: and Kanye then targeted them personally and was sending people 215 00:10:01,104 --> 00:10:02,864 Speaker 2: after these women of color who were just saying like 216 00:10:02,904 --> 00:10:05,424 Speaker 2: that was inappropriate to having the show. So that was 217 00:10:05,424 --> 00:10:07,224 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty two, so like there's been a role 218 00:10:07,264 --> 00:10:09,304 Speaker 2: on ifect got that happened, this is yeah exactly. I 219 00:10:09,384 --> 00:10:11,584 Speaker 2: mean that's fair because there's has been so much around 220 00:10:11,624 --> 00:10:14,704 Speaker 2: this topic and around like his public facing, and then 221 00:10:14,944 --> 00:10:17,584 Speaker 2: after that the Bianca sen sorry like him marrying a 222 00:10:17,584 --> 00:10:20,184 Speaker 2: young Australian woman and the clothes she's been wearing has 223 00:10:20,224 --> 00:10:22,504 Speaker 2: really taken over the story. So I think these lawsuits 224 00:10:22,544 --> 00:10:24,744 Speaker 2: fell a bit behind because then after that he went 225 00:10:24,784 --> 00:10:27,104 Speaker 2: on a podcast and he made all of these really 226 00:10:27,144 --> 00:10:30,704 Speaker 2: anti Semitic, very dangerous comments, and then there were actual 227 00:10:30,784 --> 00:10:33,864 Speaker 2: anti semitic attacks throughout the US I think in some 228 00:10:33,984 --> 00:10:36,064 Speaker 2: cases like they were using his name, but a lot 229 00:10:36,064 --> 00:10:38,624 Speaker 2: of them were thought to be linked to what Kanye 230 00:10:38,624 --> 00:10:41,064 Speaker 2: West was saying, So it was having a real time implication, 231 00:10:41,184 --> 00:10:44,704 Speaker 2: which is separate to the allegations that his employees are 232 00:10:44,744 --> 00:10:46,664 Speaker 2: putting for So there's a lot of different layers here 233 00:10:46,704 --> 00:10:49,224 Speaker 2: of people who have been hurt by this man. But 234 00:10:49,304 --> 00:10:51,544 Speaker 2: at the same time, there's been a big conversation around 235 00:10:51,624 --> 00:10:55,344 Speaker 2: Kanye West's mental health and his bipolar diagnosis, and his 236 00:10:55,384 --> 00:10:58,504 Speaker 2: family put out statements asking people just be respectful of that. 237 00:10:58,664 --> 00:11:01,504 Speaker 2: So it's a very it's messy. Yeah, it's a very 238 00:11:01,504 --> 00:11:03,344 Speaker 2: complex late issue. But I think the one thing we 239 00:11:03,344 --> 00:11:05,544 Speaker 2: can all agree on is that no matter what your 240 00:11:05,544 --> 00:11:08,464 Speaker 2: mental health state is, you can't be putting anti semitic 241 00:11:08,504 --> 00:11:12,144 Speaker 2: and racist statements out like that or putting your employees 242 00:11:12,184 --> 00:11:13,224 Speaker 2: in a dangerous situation. 243 00:11:13,744 --> 00:11:16,904 Speaker 3: So it's so insane that, like with all the headlines 244 00:11:16,904 --> 00:11:20,224 Speaker 3: that are coming out about him now, we've completely forgot 245 00:11:20,264 --> 00:11:22,064 Speaker 3: all of this stuff that happened in the past that 246 00:11:22,184 --> 00:11:24,424 Speaker 3: started not even that long ago, but just because it's 247 00:11:24,464 --> 00:11:28,344 Speaker 3: been so much, we kind of categorize, like all of 248 00:11:28,344 --> 00:11:30,704 Speaker 3: the lawsuits into each individual things where we don't look 249 00:11:30,744 --> 00:11:33,544 Speaker 3: at it as like an overarching picture. So coming up 250 00:11:33,584 --> 00:11:35,584 Speaker 3: after the break, we're going to be talking about the 251 00:11:35,624 --> 00:11:38,944 Speaker 3: most recent allegations that involved his wife, Biankison. 252 00:11:38,984 --> 00:11:43,184 Speaker 2: Sorry. So this next part of the lawsuit was reported 253 00:11:43,224 --> 00:11:45,424 Speaker 2: in July, and it was against Kanye West and also 254 00:11:45,664 --> 00:11:48,784 Speaker 2: Mila Yanopolis, who is his chief of staff or who 255 00:11:48,904 --> 00:11:52,104 Speaker 2: was his chief of staff and a co creator at Yeezy, 256 00:11:52,504 --> 00:11:55,904 Speaker 2: who left over clashes that he and Kanye were having 257 00:11:55,944 --> 00:11:58,944 Speaker 2: over Yeezy Pawn, which is the adult film company concept 258 00:11:59,304 --> 00:12:02,064 Speaker 2: that I got. Yeah, I know this is a whole 259 00:12:02,064 --> 00:12:04,304 Speaker 2: deep dive here. So but before he left, there was 260 00:12:04,424 --> 00:12:07,224 Speaker 2: some allegations against the two of them, saying that they 261 00:12:07,304 --> 00:12:10,664 Speaker 2: created a forced labor and cruel inhuman environment, that there 262 00:12:10,704 --> 00:12:14,184 Speaker 2: was degrading treatment towards the team who were working on 263 00:12:14,224 --> 00:12:17,424 Speaker 2: this app that Kanye hoped would compete with like other 264 00:12:17,464 --> 00:12:20,544 Speaker 2: streaming players like Title. So this lawsuit was filed in 265 00:12:20,624 --> 00:12:22,864 Speaker 2: Los Angeles. I mean, there's a lot of different things 266 00:12:22,864 --> 00:12:25,304 Speaker 2: here about the people who were involved in it. Before 267 00:12:25,344 --> 00:12:28,264 Speaker 2: he left, Miley Yannapolis said that the men who were 268 00:12:28,264 --> 00:12:30,824 Speaker 2: making the accusations were lying, and so we should say, 269 00:12:30,824 --> 00:12:33,344 Speaker 2: like they've been like saying that all this information is 270 00:12:33,464 --> 00:12:36,144 Speaker 2: false and that their staff weren't treated like this. But 271 00:12:36,184 --> 00:12:38,504 Speaker 2: these new allegations are to do with with both Kanye 272 00:12:38,624 --> 00:12:40,544 Speaker 2: West and his wife, Bianca Sensory. 273 00:12:40,824 --> 00:12:44,344 Speaker 3: So what I personally know now about Bianca Sensori was 274 00:12:44,464 --> 00:12:47,544 Speaker 3: the way people were covering their relationship was very much 275 00:12:47,624 --> 00:12:50,464 Speaker 3: like she didn't have a say, she was being controlled, 276 00:12:50,544 --> 00:12:53,424 Speaker 3: she couldn't speak. There was this whole thing about her 277 00:12:53,464 --> 00:12:56,064 Speaker 3: parents flying to the US to try to help her 278 00:12:56,224 --> 00:12:59,544 Speaker 3: escape that situation, and that's kind of it, Like I've 279 00:12:59,584 --> 00:13:01,784 Speaker 3: never seen like kind of an opinion out there about 280 00:13:01,784 --> 00:13:04,264 Speaker 3: her like that. She's voiced in her own head, like 281 00:13:04,304 --> 00:13:07,384 Speaker 3: it's always someone talking for her or someone like talking 282 00:13:07,424 --> 00:13:10,864 Speaker 3: about her, and it's usually either family, friends or just 283 00:13:10,944 --> 00:13:12,544 Speaker 3: like commentary on the internet. 284 00:13:12,704 --> 00:13:14,704 Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. I guess up until now that I mean, 285 00:13:14,704 --> 00:13:16,384 Speaker 2: this is a whole narrative that she was this young 286 00:13:16,424 --> 00:13:19,584 Speaker 2: woman from Australia who went over to work for Yeezy 287 00:13:20,064 --> 00:13:22,784 Speaker 2: and they got married quite quickly after Kanye West and 288 00:13:22,824 --> 00:13:25,704 Speaker 2: Kim Kardashian broke up, and she doesn't really have her 289 00:13:25,744 --> 00:13:29,024 Speaker 2: own like huge online presence. She doesn't do interviews, doesn't 290 00:13:29,024 --> 00:13:31,544 Speaker 2: even address herself. Yeah exactly. I think just because her 291 00:13:31,624 --> 00:13:33,544 Speaker 2: look changed, and we have done a whole episode on 292 00:13:33,584 --> 00:13:35,664 Speaker 2: this around this whole thing of like no one wants 293 00:13:35,704 --> 00:13:37,664 Speaker 2: to really say out loud that there could be some 294 00:13:37,784 --> 00:13:41,504 Speaker 2: kind of like coercive control or manipulation, but there's a 295 00:13:41,584 --> 00:13:44,344 Speaker 2: lot of signs at point towards that that could potentially 296 00:13:44,384 --> 00:13:46,584 Speaker 2: be happening. Kanye West, for a long time has been 297 00:13:46,584 --> 00:13:50,264 Speaker 2: a big proponent of doing street style photography and like 298 00:13:50,584 --> 00:13:52,824 Speaker 2: that being the basis of how you show your brand, 299 00:13:52,944 --> 00:13:55,304 Speaker 2: So it's not now the realm of possibility that that 300 00:13:55,464 --> 00:13:57,584 Speaker 2: was their idea that they go to all these very 301 00:13:57,584 --> 00:13:59,824 Speaker 2: public places all over the world and the two of 302 00:13:59,824 --> 00:14:02,064 Speaker 2: them walk around and they get photographed and all these 303 00:14:02,064 --> 00:14:03,384 Speaker 2: different looks, which is. 304 00:14:03,304 --> 00:14:05,864 Speaker 3: What he did with Kim Kardashian as well. I remember 305 00:14:05,904 --> 00:14:08,944 Speaker 3: she did a whole trip to Japan just to street style, Yeah, 306 00:14:08,984 --> 00:14:11,824 Speaker 3: just to show off news can she like pretend to 307 00:14:11,864 --> 00:14:13,744 Speaker 3: like leave something in the hotel so she'd go back in, 308 00:14:13,864 --> 00:14:15,664 Speaker 3: change it out, but come back out again, and like 309 00:14:15,704 --> 00:14:18,344 Speaker 3: they just like made their brand from paparazzi show exactly. 310 00:14:18,424 --> 00:14:20,224 Speaker 2: Even after they broke up, that was still a huge 311 00:14:20,224 --> 00:14:22,464 Speaker 2: thing of him styling her for awards, but more so 312 00:14:22,624 --> 00:14:24,784 Speaker 2: styling her just for the street style looks of her 313 00:14:24,904 --> 00:14:27,344 Speaker 2: just walking from a door to a car, and that 314 00:14:27,384 --> 00:14:29,944 Speaker 2: would set this whole agenda for their company. So that 315 00:14:30,024 --> 00:14:32,024 Speaker 2: part of it makes sense. What people have kind of 316 00:14:32,024 --> 00:14:34,144 Speaker 2: been questioning is the fact that a lot of the 317 00:14:34,144 --> 00:14:38,104 Speaker 2: times Bianca is in super super revealing outfits and without 318 00:14:38,184 --> 00:14:43,064 Speaker 2: knowing any of the story around her personality or their relationship, 319 00:14:43,144 --> 00:14:45,504 Speaker 2: and looking at what he's wearing and knowing that he 320 00:14:45,584 --> 00:14:48,264 Speaker 2: has this past of like even Julia Fox saying that 321 00:14:48,304 --> 00:14:49,984 Speaker 2: he dressed her up like a doll and she found 322 00:14:49,984 --> 00:14:53,264 Speaker 2: it super degrading. After the fact, with all that knowledge, 323 00:14:53,304 --> 00:14:55,784 Speaker 2: it's like, is she choosing to wear these clothes or 324 00:14:55,824 --> 00:14:58,104 Speaker 2: is she in a situation where she doesn't have a choice. 325 00:14:58,264 --> 00:15:00,624 Speaker 2: And then what's come out recently is super interesting too, 326 00:15:00,704 --> 00:15:04,784 Speaker 2: because with this Yeasy porn company, this adult film concept 327 00:15:04,824 --> 00:15:08,064 Speaker 2: that they're wanting to start up, there's been allegations that 328 00:15:08,264 --> 00:15:12,944 Speaker 2: Bianca sent these video to everyone who was working on 329 00:15:12,984 --> 00:15:16,744 Speaker 2: the Yeezy porn project that was a link to a 330 00:15:16,784 --> 00:15:20,264 Speaker 2: different bunch of pornography, and that one of the links 331 00:15:20,384 --> 00:15:22,464 Speaker 2: was sent to a fourteen year old who was working 332 00:15:22,544 --> 00:15:24,584 Speaker 2: on the project. I can't say I ever worked on a 333 00:15:24,584 --> 00:15:27,224 Speaker 2: porn project myself, but I'm assuming that if you're working 334 00:15:27,264 --> 00:15:29,424 Speaker 2: on that, like it's a professional situation a lot of 335 00:15:29,424 --> 00:15:31,144 Speaker 2: the time, like it's a company, it's a business like 336 00:15:31,184 --> 00:15:33,384 Speaker 2: anything else. I'm assuming that if you're working on that, 337 00:15:33,664 --> 00:15:36,384 Speaker 2: there is some sort of an agreement around what kind 338 00:15:36,384 --> 00:15:38,464 Speaker 2: of content you can be sent. I think what's happened 339 00:15:38,504 --> 00:15:42,584 Speaker 2: here is that there were past allegations that Kanye West 340 00:15:42,584 --> 00:15:45,584 Speaker 2: would just force his general employees who were working on 341 00:15:45,624 --> 00:15:47,864 Speaker 2: like Eyezy sneakers or whatever to watch porn and would 342 00:15:47,904 --> 00:15:51,304 Speaker 2: send them links without any kind of prior warning or 343 00:15:51,344 --> 00:15:54,304 Speaker 2: asking for consent. And I think in this case, what's 344 00:15:54,344 --> 00:15:56,664 Speaker 2: happened is that this group of people who were like, yes, 345 00:15:56,704 --> 00:15:59,464 Speaker 2: we were working on the Yeezy porn project, but that's 346 00:15:59,504 --> 00:16:03,224 Speaker 2: a professional situation where we're working on our own products 347 00:16:03,304 --> 00:16:06,424 Speaker 2: and being sent unsolicited porn from the boss's wife is 348 00:16:06,584 --> 00:16:09,344 Speaker 2: very different when it's not in line of the project 349 00:16:09,344 --> 00:16:11,224 Speaker 2: we're working on and all. So I don't know what 350 00:16:11,304 --> 00:16:13,344 Speaker 2: kind of filters were in place for this fourteen year 351 00:16:13,384 --> 00:16:14,424 Speaker 2: old employee. 352 00:16:14,024 --> 00:16:15,904 Speaker 3: And why he was working on the project. 353 00:16:15,624 --> 00:16:17,184 Speaker 2: And why he's working on the project. There's a lot 354 00:16:17,224 --> 00:16:19,744 Speaker 2: of different things to kind of unpack here. So that's 355 00:16:19,824 --> 00:16:21,544 Speaker 2: just the allegations that have come out this week, And 356 00:16:21,584 --> 00:16:23,824 Speaker 2: I think what's happened here is that none of these 357 00:16:23,824 --> 00:16:26,224 Speaker 2: things have been resolved yet. But it does look like, 358 00:16:26,504 --> 00:16:30,024 Speaker 2: because there's so many different allegations coming out against Carne 359 00:16:30,104 --> 00:16:32,864 Speaker 2: West and against Bianca and about just the Yeezy company 360 00:16:32,904 --> 00:16:34,904 Speaker 2: in general, that this is going to be like a 361 00:16:34,984 --> 00:16:38,144 Speaker 2: very long form legal case. But I almost just wonder 362 00:16:38,184 --> 00:16:40,384 Speaker 2: at this stage how much this is even going to 363 00:16:40,464 --> 00:16:42,464 Speaker 2: hurt Carne West and not hurt in a way like 364 00:16:42,504 --> 00:16:44,664 Speaker 2: I want him in Bianca to be hurt in any way. 365 00:16:44,784 --> 00:16:46,384 Speaker 2: I think it just goes to show how much damage 366 00:16:46,384 --> 00:16:49,224 Speaker 2: has already been done to their brand and to his 367 00:16:49,424 --> 00:16:52,384 Speaker 2: personal presence and how people see him. That a few 368 00:16:52,424 --> 00:16:53,904 Speaker 2: years ago this would have been a huge story has 369 00:16:53,944 --> 00:16:55,584 Speaker 2: been reported on now, but it's like there's been so 370 00:16:55,664 --> 00:16:58,544 Speaker 2: much damage done to his reputation that this doesn't feel 371 00:16:58,584 --> 00:17:01,184 Speaker 2: like it's going to have any kind of lasting impact 372 00:17:01,184 --> 00:17:02,944 Speaker 2: because so many people have already written him off. 373 00:17:02,984 --> 00:17:05,384 Speaker 3: It feels like he's already hit bottom and that's just 374 00:17:05,424 --> 00:17:07,584 Speaker 3: where he's staying. Like, no matter what else he does 375 00:17:07,664 --> 00:17:10,344 Speaker 3: that's horrible now, it will never kind of affect him. 376 00:17:10,464 --> 00:17:12,384 Speaker 3: It kind of has the same like similar edit to 377 00:17:12,504 --> 00:17:15,064 Speaker 3: like Donald Trump, where like all you see is just 378 00:17:15,264 --> 00:17:18,384 Speaker 3: bad person, but you actually don't see why they're a 379 00:17:18,384 --> 00:17:20,584 Speaker 3: bad person because there's so much going on that you 380 00:17:20,664 --> 00:17:23,184 Speaker 3: just kind of latch onto one thing and you forget 381 00:17:23,344 --> 00:17:26,304 Speaker 3: to give importance to the other things. And like I 382 00:17:26,304 --> 00:17:28,584 Speaker 3: said in the beginning, like the other people who have 383 00:17:28,704 --> 00:17:31,344 Speaker 3: been hurt by these like men in power. 384 00:17:31,304 --> 00:17:33,104 Speaker 2: One hundred percent. And I think it also goes to 385 00:17:33,104 --> 00:17:36,304 Speaker 2: show where our cultural appetite has shifted because there's been 386 00:17:36,424 --> 00:17:39,144 Speaker 2: so many stories like this, especially over the last couple 387 00:17:39,184 --> 00:17:41,464 Speaker 2: of years, and so many reckonings with famous men and 388 00:17:41,504 --> 00:17:44,424 Speaker 2: awful stories coming out that I do think that part 389 00:17:44,424 --> 00:17:47,544 Speaker 2: of people have really just shut off, and instead we 390 00:17:47,664 --> 00:17:51,344 Speaker 2: gravitate towards more pop culture moments that have a lighter 391 00:17:51,424 --> 00:17:54,024 Speaker 2: edge to them, but also go super hard on them 392 00:17:54,304 --> 00:17:56,544 Speaker 2: in a way that probably should be reserved for something 393 00:17:56,584 --> 00:17:59,104 Speaker 2: like this. Because as I was reading some of these allegations, 394 00:17:59,144 --> 00:18:00,944 Speaker 2: I was like, God, this is so intense, but I know, 395 00:18:01,024 --> 00:18:03,544 Speaker 2: like most people wouldn't wait into this, and also, to 396 00:18:03,544 --> 00:18:05,544 Speaker 2: be honest, I probably wouldn't wait into it if it 397 00:18:05,584 --> 00:18:07,144 Speaker 2: wasn't my job to kind of really get in the 398 00:18:07,144 --> 00:18:09,424 Speaker 2: weeds with this. But I was just thinking about how 399 00:18:09,504 --> 00:18:12,704 Speaker 2: much that North Way and a Lion King story blew 400 00:18:12,824 --> 00:18:17,424 Speaker 2: up everywhere recently, and how there has been so much 401 00:18:17,464 --> 00:18:21,784 Speaker 2: more backlash to a child who yes, wasn't great getting 402 00:18:21,824 --> 00:18:24,704 Speaker 2: a position that she shouldn't have got. There was so 403 00:18:24,864 --> 00:18:28,304 Speaker 2: much more cultural conversation and think pieces and coverage and 404 00:18:28,704 --> 00:18:33,304 Speaker 2: online commentary around that than something like this man who 405 00:18:33,384 --> 00:18:36,104 Speaker 2: is like being the pinnacle of the entertainment fashion world 406 00:18:36,224 --> 00:18:39,304 Speaker 2: for so many years having all these intense allegations and 407 00:18:39,384 --> 00:18:41,944 Speaker 2: having this world around him crumble. But I understand why 408 00:18:41,944 --> 00:18:43,904 Speaker 2: people don't want to weigh into that because it feels hard, 409 00:18:43,904 --> 00:18:45,744 Speaker 2: and it feels messy, and it feels sad. 410 00:18:45,504 --> 00:18:48,464 Speaker 3: And there are real people getting hurt. Whereas with Northwest, 411 00:18:49,144 --> 00:18:52,624 Speaker 3: I think it's easy to criticize because you know, it's 412 00:18:52,624 --> 00:18:55,184 Speaker 3: still very surface level, like there's no one that's actually 413 00:18:55,224 --> 00:18:56,544 Speaker 3: physically getting hurt. 414 00:18:56,704 --> 00:18:59,024 Speaker 2: Yeah, that situation not like there was a clear cut 415 00:18:59,264 --> 00:19:01,344 Speaker 2: resolution to that where everyone was saying like, well, I mean, 416 00:19:01,384 --> 00:19:03,464 Speaker 2: it's not completely her fault, but she shouldn't have been 417 00:19:03,504 --> 00:19:05,424 Speaker 2: there and it speaks for a bigger problem. But all 418 00:19:05,424 --> 00:19:07,224 Speaker 2: that sort of stuff. And also were complicit in that 419 00:19:07,264 --> 00:19:11,504 Speaker 2: because we did two episodes on Northwest, two very intense episodes, 420 00:19:11,504 --> 00:19:13,744 Speaker 2: and we talked about it heaps. Whereas this is the 421 00:19:13,744 --> 00:19:17,344 Speaker 2: first time we're really getting into these Kanye West allegations 422 00:19:17,384 --> 00:19:19,424 Speaker 2: now that have been around for a few months, just 423 00:19:19,424 --> 00:19:21,864 Speaker 2: because you want to follow the cultural appetite. But I 424 00:19:21,904 --> 00:19:23,664 Speaker 2: just think this is important as well to just kind 425 00:19:23,664 --> 00:19:24,984 Speaker 2: of be aware of what's being said. 426 00:19:25,544 --> 00:19:27,904 Speaker 3: Thank you so much for listening to the spill today. 427 00:19:28,104 --> 00:19:32,304 Speaker 3: We actually did a deep dive into Bianchersensoris and Kanye 428 00:19:32,584 --> 00:19:35,424 Speaker 3: West relationship on the Spill previously. We will link that 429 00:19:35,504 --> 00:19:37,944 Speaker 3: episode in our show notes. Plus, if you want a 430 00:19:37,944 --> 00:19:41,544 Speaker 3: breakdown of all the allegations towards Kanye West, we will 431 00:19:41,584 --> 00:19:43,504 Speaker 3: link a piece that we've done on Mamma Mia in 432 00:19:43,544 --> 00:19:45,864 Speaker 3: our show notes as well. Otherwise, we will see you 433 00:19:45,944 --> 00:19:47,624 Speaker 3: back here at three pm tomorrow. 434 00:19:47,744 --> 00:19:48,784 Speaker 2: See ya fine 435 00:19:53,544 --> 00:19:53,664 Speaker 1: Lan