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Speaker 1: I'm Claire Murphy. This is Mumma MIA's daily news podcast,

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Speaker 1: The Quickie. Recently, a contract started to do the rounds online,

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Speaker 1: reportedly showing the breakup plan for global power couple singer

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Speaker 1: Taylor Swift and NFL player in reality TV star Travis Kelce.

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Speaker 1: The contract led us to believe that the relationship was

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Speaker 1: nothing more than a PR stunt, something manufactured to make

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Speaker 1: the world buying to not dust their personal lives, but

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Speaker 1: they're professional ones too.

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Speaker 2: It also could be done to create a brand. Maybe

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Speaker 2: two celebrities getting together and now there's this tremendous interest

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Speaker 2: about them being a power couple.

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Speaker 1: While a representative from Travis Kelce's PR team swiftly denied

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Speaker 1: the contract was real, we have an interview from twenty

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Speaker 1: nineteen that we did with that very representative that may

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Speaker 1: tell us otherwise. Before we delve into the things Jack

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Speaker 1: Ketosi and told us. Let's get the latest from the

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Speaker 1: Quickie news room. Friday, September thirteen, six un AID workers

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Speaker 1: and many others have been killed in Israeli air strikes

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Speaker 1: on a school that were sheltering displaced Palestinians in Gaza.

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Speaker 1: The UN Relief and Works Agency for Palestine released a

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Speaker 1: statement saying among those killed was the manager of the

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Speaker 1: UNRWA shelter and other team members providing assistance to displaced people,

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Speaker 1: saying schools and other civilian infrastructure must be protected at

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Speaker 1: all times and that humanitarian staff, premises and operations have

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Speaker 1: been blatantly disregarded since the beginning of the war. Israel

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Speaker 1: claims the school, which they've struck five times in targeted

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Speaker 1: attacks since October seven, is actually a Hamas control center,

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Speaker 1: and that the names of those killed are actually terrorists.

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Speaker 1: Disgraced movie producer Harvey Weinstein has been indicted on more

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Speaker 1: sex crime charges in New York as he continues to

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Speaker 1: recover from heart surgery. The seventy two year old is

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Speaker 1: currently in hospital after undergoing emergency surgery on Monday to

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Speaker 1: remove fluid from around his heart and lungs, so he

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Speaker 1: did not attend yesterday's hearing. Prosecutors who are retrying Weinstein's

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Speaker 1: overturned rape conviction revealed last week that they had started

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Speaker 1: the process of presenting evidence to a grand jury that

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Speaker 1: included three more allegations against Weinstein dating back to the

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Speaker 1: mid two thousands, and that multiple accusers were prepared to

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Speaker 1: testify against him. Weinstein's twenty twenty rape conviction was overturned

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Speaker 1: back in April, the judge ordering a new trial, which

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Speaker 1: is tentatively set to begin on November twelve. More than

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Speaker 1: six hundred and fifty hackers will come together today to

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Speaker 1: try and help break five missing persons cold cases. The event,

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Speaker 1: which has been staged across all Australia's capital cities and remotely,

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Speaker 1: hopes it will uncover details about them that police haven't

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Speaker 1: been able to find. Event founder Linda Kavanah says a

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Speaker 1: previous event held in twenty twenty, generated forty new leads

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Speaker 1: across twelve cases. She says the majority of the information

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Speaker 1: comes from the missing person's digital footprint, which in the

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Speaker 1: past have included unc covered comments on Airbnb, even drone

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Speaker 1: footage and other imagery. This year, they've narrowed it down

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Speaker 1: to five cases in the hopes it will encourage a

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Speaker 1: deeper dive on just those tracks. A new challenge will

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Speaker 1: be the case of a person who disappeared at c

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Speaker 1: while on their own boat. Singer John bon Jovi has

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Speaker 1: helped save a woman who was threatening to jump off

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Speaker 1: a bridge in Nashville. Bon Jovi was filming a music

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Speaker 1: video on the bridge when they spotted the woman who'd

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Speaker 1: The local police chief said in a statement that it

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Speaker 1: takes all of us to help keep each other safe.

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Speaker 1: That's what's going on in the world today. Next, is

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Speaker 1: is that contract the reality we hear from the man

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Speaker 1: who's denying its authenticity. Taylor Swift and Travis Kelcey's relationship

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Speaker 1: became public knowledge in September twenty twenty three when tended

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Speaker 1: a Kansas City Chiefs game to cheer on her new man.

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Speaker 1: The two had flown into each other's orbit when Kelsey

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Speaker 1: he plays in in June twenty twenty three, making friendship

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Speaker 1: bracelets for the singer, which he never got to hand over,

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Speaker 1: to give her the bracelet with his phone number on it.

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Speaker 3: one of the bracelets I've made for one with my

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Speaker 1: The conversation spread with the pace only true Swifty Wildfire

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Speaker 1: can spread. Another podcast, Calm Down, put it out there

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Speaker 1: that Swift should hook up with Travis because he's a

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Speaker 1: nice guy. Since then, their romance has captivated fans and

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Speaker 1: media alike, with the couple making numerous public appearances together

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Speaker 1: following break up with Taylor Swift, began circulating online. This

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Speaker 1: alleged contract, which bore the logo of Full Scope Public Relations,

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Speaker 1: The document detailed how Kelsey would manage the fallout from

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Speaker 1: draft statement for the breakup announcement, which read, in part,

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Speaker 1: Travis and Taylor have decided to part ways after careful consideration.

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Speaker 1: They value and respect each other's personal lives and appreciate

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Speaker 1: your respect for their privacy during this time. Naturally, this

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Speaker 1: alleged contract caused a stir amongst fans and gossip outlets. However,

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Speaker 1: it didn't take long for Kelsey's team to respond and

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Speaker 1: set the record straight. Jack Katosian, a representative from full

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Speaker 1: Scope Public Relations, quickly issued a statement to The Daily

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Speaker 1: Mail categorically denying the authenticity of the document. Katosian stated,

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Speaker 1: that full Scope had engaged their legal team to initiate

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Speaker 1: proceedings against the individuals or entities responsible for the unlawful

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Speaker 1: and injurious forgery of documents. However, the Quickie spoke to

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Speaker 1: Jack Katoisen back in twenty nineteen, who admitted to Jemma

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Speaker 1: and even gave us insight into why it happens.

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Speaker 4: The main clue you would see as if a certain

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Speaker 4: and everyone wants a piece of them. You know, it's

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Speaker 4: end up taking the deal because, like I said, overnight

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Speaker 5: When you say male celebrity, is this not something that

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Speaker 4: No, of course it happens if it's more in common

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Speaker 4: We live in a completely different times nowadays, being gay

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Speaker 6: Back in the day, that was the biggest secret. It

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Speaker 4: If the certain high profile male the heart drop was gay,

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Speaker 4: So that was the big way of hiding their sexuality

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Speaker 5: Though the promance is more about mutually beneficial rising of

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Speaker 4: Well, it's more of that, and also just to be

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Speaker 6: It's all about the hype at the moment.

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Speaker 4: Nobody's reading magazines as much as they used to, and

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Speaker 6: See what really something is all about.

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Speaker 4: The crazy part about it is Hollywood is a very

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Speaker 6: Inside people always talk.

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Speaker 5: You're a publicist, Jack, So have you ever tied any

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Speaker 6: I've had two that I did in my career.

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Speaker 4: It was more of a mutual agreement between the agents

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Speaker 6: So we found him a girl. Just the one year deal.

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Speaker 4: Basically, it just finished off the movie press and the

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Speaker 5: What was the benefit for the girl in this scenario.

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Speaker 1: So Jack then mentioned that men would often be paired

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Speaker 1: this case, as Taylor Swift is definitely a bigger superstar

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Speaker 1: this relationship began, and sales of years branded merch in

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Speaker 1: Let's not forget the benefit she's brought to the NFL

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Speaker 1: is definitely benefiting from his girlfriend's superstartom, but what is

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Speaker 1: she getting out of it? Those suspect of the pairing

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Speaker 1: wonder if this is another big love affair that can

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Speaker 1: be later turned into recording material. When Jimma Bart spoke

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Speaker 1: also caught up with divorce lawyer Michael Melcher, who's handled

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Speaker 1: the contract negotiations of celebrity couples who've cooked up for

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Speaker 2: An arranged relationship is streamed by definition, so certainly we're

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Speaker 2: going to see requests that are equally odd. If it's

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Speaker 2: There would be photo sessions showing them as a couple.

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Speaker 2: But if it's truly an arranged relationship with sex would

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Speaker 5: So, Chris, what are some of the different reasons people

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Speaker 2: That could be to deflect attention away from a controversy.

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Speaker 2: them because they've settled down. It also could be done

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Speaker 2: now there's this tremendous interest about them being a power couple.

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Speaker 2: There could also be situations where someone wants to look

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Speaker 2: me as a lawyer, really not going to be told, hey,

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Speaker 2: this is fake. Sometimes that'll happen, but usually it becomes

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Speaker 2: more apparent because the person who's contacting me is not

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Speaker 5: So that's one of the big signs for you.

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Speaker 2: Really, it would be because it's unusual for a publicist

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Speaker 2: So what we've done in those cases is create strong

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Speaker 1: After Taylor Swiff's Eras tour break before which Kelsey appeared

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Speaker 1: it seemly the couple fell a little off the radar,

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Speaker 1: for reports say they reunited in Rhode Island and hung

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Speaker 1: out together with her friends. Well. He also had preseason

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Speaker 1: So now I guess we wait for September twenty eight.

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Speaker 1: Will the contractual obligation be officially over?

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