1 00:00:10,705 --> 00:00:13,425 Speaker 1: You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast. 2 00:00:13,945 --> 00:00:17,505 Speaker 2: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters 3 00:00:17,505 --> 00:00:22,105 Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on Makeup is My Therapy. 4 00:00:22,305 --> 00:00:25,305 Speaker 3: I'm in love, I'm obsessed and I don't even feel 5 00:00:25,385 --> 00:00:26,065 Speaker 3: juilty about it. 6 00:00:28,505 --> 00:00:31,465 Speaker 4: Hello, and welcome to you Beauty, the daily podcast for 7 00:00:31,505 --> 00:00:34,785 Speaker 4: Your Face. I'm Arion Dockerty and welcome to the formula. 8 00:00:35,385 --> 00:00:37,625 Speaker 4: Every week I sit down with celebs and some of 9 00:00:37,665 --> 00:00:40,145 Speaker 4: the biggest names in beauty and take a look into 10 00:00:40,145 --> 00:00:41,265 Speaker 4: their skincare routines. 11 00:00:41,865 --> 00:00:43,905 Speaker 1: And you, guys, I think it's. 12 00:00:43,745 --> 00:00:47,305 Speaker 4: Time we talked about pores and blackheads, two of the 13 00:00:47,345 --> 00:00:52,185 Speaker 4: most misunderstood topics in skincare. Everyone with her Face seems 14 00:00:52,225 --> 00:00:55,785 Speaker 4: to have an opinion, from DIY remedies to expensive treatments. 15 00:00:56,025 --> 00:00:58,065 Speaker 1: But what's fact and what's fiction. 16 00:00:58,745 --> 00:01:01,385 Speaker 4: If you've ever wondered whether you can actually shrink your 17 00:01:01,425 --> 00:01:03,705 Speaker 4: pause or if you can really get rid of black 18 00:01:03,745 --> 00:01:07,665 Speaker 4: heads for good, this episode is for you. Today we're 19 00:01:07,705 --> 00:01:09,625 Speaker 4: getting to the bottom of it all with doctor sh 20 00:01:09,745 --> 00:01:13,905 Speaker 4: Shammy Thesin, one of Australia's leading dermatologist and a resident 21 00:01:13,985 --> 00:01:17,065 Speaker 4: expert on the pod. She's here to bust the myths 22 00:01:17,065 --> 00:01:21,065 Speaker 4: around pause reveal what actually causes black heads, and share 23 00:01:21,105 --> 00:01:24,425 Speaker 4: the best ways to keep your skin looking clear and refined. 24 00:01:24,865 --> 00:01:29,105 Speaker 4: Plus Doctor Shammy's personal skincare routine for your best ever 25 00:01:29,185 --> 00:01:29,985 Speaker 4: skin texture. 26 00:01:30,425 --> 00:01:32,345 Speaker 3: You are such beautiful skin. 27 00:01:32,545 --> 00:01:35,865 Speaker 1: But how Doctor Shammy? 28 00:01:35,985 --> 00:01:38,465 Speaker 4: We've snagged you back on You're here for a second show. 29 00:01:38,865 --> 00:01:40,825 Speaker 1: I'm excited, Yes, thank. 30 00:01:40,665 --> 00:01:44,385 Speaker 4: You for sticking around because I obviously just had all 31 00:01:44,425 --> 00:01:46,185 Speaker 4: of the questions for you, and I was like, you're 32 00:01:46,225 --> 00:01:50,145 Speaker 4: not leaving. We're doing another show here. We're talking about 33 00:01:50,225 --> 00:01:53,665 Speaker 4: black heads and pause. It's one of the questions I 34 00:01:53,825 --> 00:01:55,985 Speaker 4: get all the time from a lot of my friends, 35 00:01:56,025 --> 00:01:58,785 Speaker 4: from a lot of listeners, from a lot of Mummamea readers, 36 00:01:59,625 --> 00:02:02,785 Speaker 4: what do I do about my black heads? So I'm here, 37 00:02:03,345 --> 00:02:05,825 Speaker 4: I'm waiting. I want to get all the info from you. 38 00:02:06,545 --> 00:02:06,905 Speaker 1: Tell me. 39 00:02:07,025 --> 00:02:10,705 Speaker 4: Let's start with the basics. What exactly a pause? And 40 00:02:11,425 --> 00:02:12,265 Speaker 4: why do we have them? 41 00:02:12,425 --> 00:02:16,065 Speaker 3: Firstly, we all have paws. It's that kind of our fingerprint, 42 00:02:16,305 --> 00:02:18,145 Speaker 3: you know, so like we've all got a unique set 43 00:02:18,185 --> 00:02:20,705 Speaker 3: of pause. We've got a unique set of fingerprints, so 44 00:02:20,745 --> 00:02:22,745 Speaker 3: think of it that way. So it's kind of special. 45 00:02:22,785 --> 00:02:26,025 Speaker 3: I think we get really negative about pause, do but 46 00:02:26,185 --> 00:02:29,705 Speaker 3: the important they're just an opening on our face which 47 00:02:29,785 --> 00:02:33,985 Speaker 3: feeds sebam, so that's where our oil glands will produce 48 00:02:34,105 --> 00:02:34,745 Speaker 3: natural oils. 49 00:02:34,785 --> 00:02:35,385 Speaker 1: It comes out. 50 00:02:35,705 --> 00:02:39,025 Speaker 3: It's then opening for our sweat to come through, but 51 00:02:39,225 --> 00:02:41,745 Speaker 3: it can get a bit congested and then give us 52 00:02:41,745 --> 00:02:44,305 Speaker 3: black heads. So black heads are actually not pause. It's 53 00:02:44,425 --> 00:02:48,025 Speaker 3: more the gunk in there that's oxidized. So you've got 54 00:02:48,025 --> 00:02:52,025 Speaker 3: a combination of dead skin cells keratin really, which is 55 00:02:52,065 --> 00:02:55,545 Speaker 3: made up of skin cells oil sebam, and then it 56 00:02:55,625 --> 00:02:59,545 Speaker 3: gets oxidized with the oxygen on top that makes it black, 57 00:02:59,625 --> 00:03:00,385 Speaker 3: makes it black. 58 00:03:00,545 --> 00:03:02,425 Speaker 4: Right, That was going to be my next question because 59 00:03:02,465 --> 00:03:05,505 Speaker 4: as you said, there's a lot of confusion about blackheads, 60 00:03:05,545 --> 00:03:08,665 Speaker 4: a lot of myths out there. Why are some people's 61 00:03:08,905 --> 00:03:12,705 Speaker 4: black heads and pores more prominent than others? You know 62 00:03:12,745 --> 00:03:15,265 Speaker 4: how some people have more enlarged pores? Yeap, Do we 63 00:03:15,305 --> 00:03:17,265 Speaker 4: all have the same number of pores? Why are some 64 00:03:17,305 --> 00:03:19,865 Speaker 4: people dealing with enlarged pores. 65 00:03:20,225 --> 00:03:23,105 Speaker 3: I'm going to have to pus in genetics again, but 66 00:03:23,265 --> 00:03:25,825 Speaker 3: once again we have to always throw in genetics, but 67 00:03:25,865 --> 00:03:28,145 Speaker 3: we can fix it. So there are certain areas, like 68 00:03:28,185 --> 00:03:31,065 Speaker 3: your nose, we tend to get bigger pause sizes. It 69 00:03:31,145 --> 00:03:34,025 Speaker 3: tends to also produce more oil, so then it gets 70 00:03:34,065 --> 00:03:37,265 Speaker 3: more congested and more black heads. A lot of us 71 00:03:37,425 --> 00:03:44,545 Speaker 3: also have different types of oil, so our sebam is individual, 72 00:03:45,025 --> 00:03:48,625 Speaker 3: so that can be genetics. So the type of fatty 73 00:03:48,665 --> 00:03:53,425 Speaker 3: acids that break down in your sebam varies and so 74 00:03:53,625 --> 00:03:55,585 Speaker 3: some of them are more prone to oxidation. 75 00:03:56,105 --> 00:03:59,225 Speaker 4: So do some This sounds so silly, but do we 76 00:03:59,265 --> 00:04:01,345 Speaker 4: all have the same amount of pores on our face 77 00:04:01,505 --> 00:04:04,825 Speaker 4: or is it just coming down to other people having. 78 00:04:04,545 --> 00:04:06,425 Speaker 1: More prominent paes? 79 00:04:06,505 --> 00:04:08,225 Speaker 3: Yeah, so I think we all have the same number. 80 00:04:08,985 --> 00:04:14,345 Speaker 1: I need to exactly number. Yeah, yeah, So tell me. 81 00:04:14,345 --> 00:04:16,745 Speaker 4: There's obviously a lot of myths going around about paws 82 00:04:16,905 --> 00:04:19,705 Speaker 4: and black heads. What do you wish people would stop believing? 83 00:04:19,825 --> 00:04:22,505 Speaker 4: What are like the top top line things that you're 84 00:04:22,585 --> 00:04:26,545 Speaker 4: like people always believing this about black heads. 85 00:04:26,465 --> 00:04:29,705 Speaker 3: That you can just eliminate them with poor strips. 86 00:04:29,985 --> 00:04:32,665 Speaker 1: Okay, that was going to be another question. Really yeah, okay, 87 00:04:32,865 --> 00:04:34,065 Speaker 1: so poor strips. 88 00:04:34,545 --> 00:04:36,145 Speaker 3: I guess if you just use them once or twice 89 00:04:36,185 --> 00:04:38,225 Speaker 3: and you've got a really important event and you want 90 00:04:38,225 --> 00:04:40,705 Speaker 3: to use as adhesef, that's going to pluck out that 91 00:04:40,825 --> 00:04:41,265 Speaker 3: black bit. 92 00:04:41,385 --> 00:04:44,345 Speaker 1: It's so satisfying. I've not used them for years, but. 93 00:04:44,825 --> 00:04:47,065 Speaker 3: I mean I've used them as a teenager. Yeah, growing 94 00:04:47,145 --> 00:04:49,905 Speaker 3: up in Asia, we were obsessed about br A's poor 95 00:04:49,945 --> 00:04:55,025 Speaker 3: strips beautiful, you know. But I think over time, if 96 00:04:55,065 --> 00:04:58,065 Speaker 3: you keep using it, it does stretch out those paws, 97 00:04:58,505 --> 00:05:01,545 Speaker 3: so you get the same size, but how it gets 98 00:05:01,625 --> 00:05:04,145 Speaker 3: stretched and as you age, you don't have the right 99 00:05:04,225 --> 00:05:08,305 Speaker 3: scaffolding around your paws, so it'll appear more blacks. So 100 00:05:08,345 --> 00:05:12,465 Speaker 3: we'll talk about how you can cosmetically change the appearance 101 00:05:12,745 --> 00:05:16,625 Speaker 3: of them, but you can't actually change the diameter of it. 102 00:05:16,785 --> 00:05:19,025 Speaker 4: Right, because that's another big thing. You see so many 103 00:05:19,105 --> 00:05:22,305 Speaker 4: products on the market that are promising to shrink your pores, 104 00:05:22,345 --> 00:05:23,145 Speaker 4: make them smaller. 105 00:05:23,625 --> 00:05:26,185 Speaker 1: That's not an actual thing. You can't actually make your 106 00:05:26,225 --> 00:05:29,145 Speaker 1: poor size smaller. No, you can't change. 107 00:05:28,865 --> 00:05:32,705 Speaker 3: The appearance, but you can change the appearance radically. So 108 00:05:32,865 --> 00:05:36,745 Speaker 3: we can talk about topical options. But one particular treatment 109 00:05:36,785 --> 00:05:39,545 Speaker 3: that I'm loving, so it's probably kind of new to Australia, 110 00:05:39,585 --> 00:05:45,105 Speaker 3: but it's a device that shrinks your oil glands massively. 111 00:05:45,345 --> 00:05:47,465 Speaker 3: So if you think about a smaller oil gland is 112 00:05:47,505 --> 00:05:50,385 Speaker 3: going to produce less oil, You're going to get less 113 00:05:50,425 --> 00:05:53,105 Speaker 3: gunk in there, You're going to get less oxidation and 114 00:05:53,145 --> 00:05:53,985 Speaker 3: that's magic. 115 00:05:54,265 --> 00:05:56,545 Speaker 1: Yeah, that sounds like a seriously magic tool. 116 00:05:56,785 --> 00:05:58,905 Speaker 4: Yes, Okay, we're going to get into that because I 117 00:05:58,905 --> 00:06:02,305 Speaker 4: want to talk about products and treatments. You've just touched 118 00:06:02,425 --> 00:06:05,225 Speaker 4: briefly on some of the myths with pores. Another one 119 00:06:05,265 --> 00:06:07,705 Speaker 4: I always get is about the you know that hot 120 00:06:07,745 --> 00:06:10,985 Speaker 4: water opens pores and cold water closes. 121 00:06:11,065 --> 00:06:15,905 Speaker 1: Pause. Do your pores actually open and chat? Yes, they do. Yeah. 122 00:06:16,225 --> 00:06:20,785 Speaker 3: Your skin dilates like anything. We're organic matter, so heat 123 00:06:20,865 --> 00:06:25,585 Speaker 3: will make an area dilate, so it'll temporarily open up, 124 00:06:26,025 --> 00:06:27,905 Speaker 3: you know, and we've got skin cells around it. 125 00:06:28,065 --> 00:06:29,985 Speaker 1: Sometimes we've got smooth muscle around it. 126 00:06:30,065 --> 00:06:33,145 Speaker 4: So yes, when it comes to someone who's prone to 127 00:06:33,185 --> 00:06:35,465 Speaker 4: black heads. I've got a lot of friends who struggle 128 00:06:35,505 --> 00:06:38,665 Speaker 4: with black heads. What's the one thing that they should 129 00:06:38,785 --> 00:06:42,785 Speaker 4: change in just their normal topical skin care routine right now? 130 00:06:43,265 --> 00:06:48,785 Speaker 3: They should definitely be using a combination of AHAs and BHA's. 131 00:06:49,185 --> 00:06:54,665 Speaker 3: So AHAs are exfoliants like lactic acid mendelic acid, and 132 00:06:54,705 --> 00:06:58,225 Speaker 3: then BHA's are good old salicelic acid. So you want 133 00:06:58,265 --> 00:07:01,305 Speaker 3: the combination because salicilic goes down a bit deeper into 134 00:07:01,345 --> 00:07:03,465 Speaker 3: the depth of the poor to kind of clear junk 135 00:07:03,905 --> 00:07:07,265 Speaker 3: and AHA's make that top layer slough off very naturally, 136 00:07:07,265 --> 00:07:08,545 Speaker 3: so you get that refined look. 137 00:07:08,665 --> 00:07:11,345 Speaker 1: So you want a combination of AHH. 138 00:07:11,465 --> 00:07:13,865 Speaker 3: There are lots of products that have combinations in them. 139 00:07:14,105 --> 00:07:16,625 Speaker 3: You know. That's a very cost effective brand called the Minimalist. 140 00:07:16,985 --> 00:07:19,825 Speaker 3: I think it's about twenty bucks on Amazon. They've got 141 00:07:19,865 --> 00:07:23,985 Speaker 3: a combination of BHAAHA, Paula's choice. That's another it's. 142 00:07:23,865 --> 00:07:26,225 Speaker 1: Going to say that's another big one choice. 143 00:07:26,465 --> 00:07:30,185 Speaker 3: It's combination. I think AHA BHA or you could start 144 00:07:30,225 --> 00:07:34,265 Speaker 3: with just an AHA version like the EVN cleon serum, 145 00:07:34,465 --> 00:07:37,585 Speaker 3: which is gentle. It's got some lactic acid and sustenic acid, 146 00:07:37,905 --> 00:07:42,545 Speaker 3: and then introduce even a glycolic acid or a BHA 147 00:07:42,625 --> 00:07:43,705 Speaker 3: like salicelic acid. 148 00:07:44,225 --> 00:07:45,625 Speaker 1: Some really great advice there. 149 00:07:45,945 --> 00:07:47,465 Speaker 4: Talk to me a little bit about I know, like 150 00:07:47,545 --> 00:07:51,105 Speaker 4: many of our listeners wear makeup daily, how does this 151 00:07:51,305 --> 00:07:56,545 Speaker 4: impact the chances of black heads or enlarged pores? And 152 00:07:56,945 --> 00:07:58,505 Speaker 4: is there anything you should do if you're like an 153 00:07:58,585 --> 00:08:03,345 Speaker 4: avid makeup where to yes minimize the effects of this. 154 00:08:03,785 --> 00:08:07,145 Speaker 3: I think this is where massively you're double cleansing makes 155 00:08:07,185 --> 00:08:11,345 Speaker 3: a huge difference. So if you're wearing makeup, think about 156 00:08:11,385 --> 00:08:14,345 Speaker 3: you know, a lot of the makeup have forever chemicals 157 00:08:14,425 --> 00:08:17,905 Speaker 3: or water proof materials. They're hard to get out, so 158 00:08:18,305 --> 00:08:20,985 Speaker 3: you'd be using like a balm cleanser first, like you 159 00:08:21,025 --> 00:08:25,065 Speaker 3: know eve Lom or Rationale has a pro seramide cleanse 160 00:08:25,145 --> 00:08:28,825 Speaker 3: bomb that's beautiful, or even just your Hober oil that 161 00:08:28,865 --> 00:08:31,625 Speaker 3: you can get from your chemist, any brand. Make sure 162 00:08:31,625 --> 00:08:34,865 Speaker 3: that sinks into your skin. The other issue with double 163 00:08:34,865 --> 00:08:37,505 Speaker 3: cleansing is make sure you have adequate time. You want 164 00:08:37,545 --> 00:08:38,585 Speaker 3: a good minute. 165 00:08:38,625 --> 00:08:40,505 Speaker 4: I know, because sometimes you do it really quickly and 166 00:08:40,505 --> 00:08:42,545 Speaker 4: you're like, I double cleansed, and then you're like, I'm 167 00:08:42,545 --> 00:08:45,065 Speaker 4: just gonna double check and say it's gonna go over 168 00:08:45,145 --> 00:08:47,065 Speaker 4: with my cellar water, and you're like, there's stuff's still 169 00:08:47,065 --> 00:08:48,785 Speaker 4: on my skinness, So I. 170 00:08:48,785 --> 00:08:49,785 Speaker 1: Would go crazy. 171 00:08:49,825 --> 00:08:52,705 Speaker 3: I would just use a bomb, an oil cleanser and 172 00:08:52,825 --> 00:08:55,145 Speaker 3: mycello water. You can triple cleanse if you think you're 173 00:08:55,145 --> 00:08:58,425 Speaker 3: wearing that much makeup, and then a gentle either gel 174 00:08:58,465 --> 00:09:01,745 Speaker 3: or creamy cleanser, and the trick is to actually dampen 175 00:09:01,865 --> 00:09:06,505 Speaker 3: your favorite soft face towel and give that a good wipe. 176 00:09:07,145 --> 00:09:10,465 Speaker 3: You know, there is an aspect of mechanical cleansing, so 177 00:09:10,545 --> 00:09:14,665 Speaker 3: not snives exfoliating beads, but just a soft towel will 178 00:09:14,705 --> 00:09:18,385 Speaker 3: remove that debris and get into the corner of your ears. 179 00:09:18,585 --> 00:09:21,465 Speaker 3: You know, people don't kind of cleanse their ears. The 180 00:09:21,505 --> 00:09:24,985 Speaker 3: tops of your hairline and the back of your ears. 181 00:09:25,745 --> 00:09:27,865 Speaker 3: There's a lot of extra oil produced there. 182 00:09:28,545 --> 00:09:31,305 Speaker 4: There's honestly, Yeah, nothing worse than swiping with a cotton 183 00:09:31,305 --> 00:09:32,065 Speaker 4: pattern being like. 184 00:09:32,105 --> 00:09:35,105 Speaker 1: Wow, yug, that was on my face. 185 00:09:35,465 --> 00:09:38,585 Speaker 4: If you could give our listeners one piece of advice 186 00:09:38,625 --> 00:09:42,585 Speaker 4: for healthier pores that they can start doing today, yeah, 187 00:09:42,585 --> 00:09:43,265 Speaker 4: what would it be. 188 00:09:43,625 --> 00:09:46,785 Speaker 3: I would invest in a vitamin B three serum in 189 00:09:46,865 --> 00:09:50,665 Speaker 3: the day becauseid nice cinnamid. Yeah, and you can get 190 00:09:50,705 --> 00:09:53,225 Speaker 3: you know, larosch pa semic some beautiful nic cinamides the 191 00:09:53,425 --> 00:09:58,705 Speaker 3: ordinary I like Rationales number one serum. They're nice Cinnamide 192 00:09:58,745 --> 00:10:02,145 Speaker 3: is gorgeous. Allies of skin make a combination of nice 193 00:10:02,185 --> 00:10:05,865 Speaker 3: cinnamide with skin peptides. But that is important because it's 194 00:10:05,865 --> 00:10:08,105 Speaker 3: a great multitasker. So you don't want to have too 195 00:10:08,185 --> 00:10:11,825 Speaker 3: many products if you're oil prone. So something like nice 196 00:10:11,825 --> 00:10:14,945 Speaker 3: cinamide in the morning will reduce your oil gland production. 197 00:10:15,145 --> 00:10:18,785 Speaker 3: It's an antioxidant, it's skin bright now, so you would 198 00:10:18,825 --> 00:10:22,505 Speaker 3: incorporate that for sure, and then at night you might 199 00:10:22,545 --> 00:10:28,105 Speaker 3: actually alternate between an Aha Bha with a retinol because 200 00:10:28,105 --> 00:10:31,985 Speaker 3: once again retinyl great for your collagen you're elastin but 201 00:10:32,065 --> 00:10:35,905 Speaker 3: it's one of the biggest modulators of your epidermal health. 202 00:10:36,225 --> 00:10:38,985 Speaker 3: So that skin turnover because a lot of the gunk 203 00:10:39,185 --> 00:10:43,545 Speaker 3: in that pore is not just oil, it's the inappropriate 204 00:10:43,705 --> 00:10:47,145 Speaker 3: fluffing of that skin cell. So instead of having that 205 00:10:47,265 --> 00:10:51,385 Speaker 3: normal turnover, you get chunks of seed just sit there forever, 206 00:10:51,785 --> 00:10:53,145 Speaker 3: and then you're just going to get more of a 207 00:10:53,225 --> 00:10:54,505 Speaker 3: niis for oxidation. 208 00:10:55,065 --> 00:10:57,785 Speaker 4: Okay, I want to hear exactly what products you'd recommend 209 00:10:58,305 --> 00:11:02,265 Speaker 4: for those ingredients, because that's such good advice. Walk me 210 00:11:02,305 --> 00:11:08,865 Speaker 4: through great skincare retaine for anyone struggling with black heads. 211 00:11:15,745 --> 00:11:18,065 Speaker 1: I mean, what is your self? Carroty, give us the 212 00:11:18,145 --> 00:11:22,665 Speaker 1: dirty detail. So let's start with night always. 213 00:11:23,105 --> 00:11:25,465 Speaker 3: So if you're a makeup wearer, are we talked about 214 00:11:25,505 --> 00:11:29,545 Speaker 3: the triple cleans, so oil and then cream and then gel, 215 00:11:29,745 --> 00:11:32,745 Speaker 3: maybe pat dry, and then the first thing I would 216 00:11:32,745 --> 00:11:36,825 Speaker 3: put on is a b Aha combination. So if you've 217 00:11:36,825 --> 00:11:40,145 Speaker 3: got those thick blackheads, definitely go for the right selicelic 218 00:11:40,265 --> 00:11:43,465 Speaker 3: acid combination. So we talked about Paula's choice. They've got 219 00:11:43,505 --> 00:11:48,265 Speaker 3: a combination. The Ordinary has also an Aha Bha. The 220 00:11:48,345 --> 00:11:50,985 Speaker 3: Minimalist has a starter point, you know, which is a 221 00:11:51,065 --> 00:11:52,025 Speaker 3: very good price point. 222 00:11:52,225 --> 00:11:54,225 Speaker 1: I need to try that brand because I've not had 223 00:11:54,225 --> 00:11:54,985 Speaker 1: that on my face yet. 224 00:11:55,025 --> 00:11:58,825 Speaker 3: It's pretty gentle. And then Rationale make a gorgeous Number 225 00:11:58,865 --> 00:12:02,825 Speaker 3: five serum that's skin refining serum that they've optimized throughout 226 00:12:02,825 --> 00:12:05,305 Speaker 3: the years, so been a beginner can use it, and 227 00:12:05,345 --> 00:12:07,465 Speaker 3: that's got a slight tachy feel, so you might've been 228 00:12:07,505 --> 00:12:10,785 Speaker 3: just put that and go to bed. Is clinical Again, 229 00:12:10,985 --> 00:12:14,425 Speaker 3: they've got an active serum that's a bit minty at 230 00:12:14,465 --> 00:12:16,065 Speaker 3: times when you use it, but that's got a bit 231 00:12:16,105 --> 00:12:19,065 Speaker 3: tingly a bit tingly, you know, and it doesn't irritate, 232 00:12:19,145 --> 00:12:22,185 Speaker 3: but that's also lovely. Also depends on texture, you know. 233 00:12:22,225 --> 00:12:24,465 Speaker 3: I think a lot of us like a really lightweight 234 00:12:24,665 --> 00:12:27,265 Speaker 3: and some of us like that more heavier feel to it. 235 00:12:27,985 --> 00:12:30,545 Speaker 3: So at night I would either just do that alone 236 00:12:31,265 --> 00:12:34,545 Speaker 3: or I would then combine the retinol on top. So 237 00:12:34,705 --> 00:12:38,145 Speaker 3: once again one point three percent, maybe not a heavy 238 00:12:38,225 --> 00:12:42,025 Speaker 3: exclusive retinol, just a lightweight cream or a serum. 239 00:12:42,345 --> 00:12:45,465 Speaker 4: And you mentioned some really really great retinols in a 240 00:12:45,545 --> 00:12:47,585 Speaker 4: recent episode with us, so we'll link them in the 241 00:12:47,625 --> 00:12:50,705 Speaker 4: show notes as well. What about the morning routine. 242 00:12:51,025 --> 00:12:54,225 Speaker 3: So morning routine, normally I would save for the person 243 00:12:54,265 --> 00:12:58,305 Speaker 3: with normal skin or combination skin not to actually cleanse, 244 00:12:58,865 --> 00:13:02,065 Speaker 3: but if you're prone to blackheads and oiliness, I would 245 00:13:02,105 --> 00:13:06,065 Speaker 3: actually do a single cleanse, so you might use a 246 00:13:06,145 --> 00:13:10,705 Speaker 3: creamy cleanser like set of fill seramide clear lens. I 247 00:13:10,745 --> 00:13:13,785 Speaker 3: also like the Rationale number four cleanser because that's quite 248 00:13:13,785 --> 00:13:17,025 Speaker 3: a good of a multitasker, and Paula's choice makes them 249 00:13:17,065 --> 00:13:20,705 Speaker 3: several seramone cleansers that you can use. Pat Dry use 250 00:13:20,745 --> 00:13:23,065 Speaker 3: that vitamin B three so you could go for Laroche 251 00:13:23,105 --> 00:13:25,545 Speaker 3: per Se. They've got a B three B five combination 252 00:13:25,745 --> 00:13:29,145 Speaker 3: that you can use. Rationale make a number one. And 253 00:13:29,185 --> 00:13:33,025 Speaker 3: then another multitasker from is Clinical is the pro healed serum, 254 00:13:33,185 --> 00:13:35,665 Speaker 3: so that's got bees and c's and it just works 255 00:13:35,705 --> 00:13:40,145 Speaker 3: on everything. And then I would use a lightweight moisturizer 256 00:13:40,185 --> 00:13:43,185 Speaker 3: on top, something with hyaluronic acid. So the other myth 257 00:13:43,265 --> 00:13:47,905 Speaker 3: actually is that when you've got blackheads or open pores, 258 00:13:47,905 --> 00:13:53,305 Speaker 3: you shouldn't use moisturizer. That's a big misconception because if 259 00:13:53,305 --> 00:13:56,705 Speaker 3: you're dry, your skin is dry, you're actually driving your 260 00:13:56,745 --> 00:14:01,185 Speaker 3: oil glands to produce more oil. So use a lightweight moisturizer. 261 00:14:01,345 --> 00:14:04,345 Speaker 3: And there's so many great brands out there. The one 262 00:14:04,345 --> 00:14:09,225 Speaker 3: that I'm loving recently is a hyaluronic acid combination moisturizer 263 00:14:09,225 --> 00:14:13,905 Speaker 3: called Violol, So they make a biostimulating injectable, but their 264 00:14:13,945 --> 00:14:17,265 Speaker 3: moisturized beautiful. The other thing I've been loving is have 265 00:14:17,305 --> 00:14:20,545 Speaker 3: you haard of re duran before? Yes, yes, they're the 266 00:14:20,585 --> 00:14:24,105 Speaker 3: ones that made the salmon dna I mean from sperm 267 00:14:24,185 --> 00:14:28,705 Speaker 3: and all of that, but it's basically poly nucleotide particles, 268 00:14:28,745 --> 00:14:32,585 Speaker 3: So these are DNA fragments that then make your body 269 00:14:32,905 --> 00:14:37,985 Speaker 3: produce more collagen elastin, but also help that skin turnover beautifully. 270 00:14:38,185 --> 00:14:41,065 Speaker 3: They're a Korean brand, and they've got actually a reduran 271 00:14:41,225 --> 00:14:45,025 Speaker 3: moisturizer that's got these nucleotides in there. 272 00:14:45,425 --> 00:14:47,665 Speaker 4: I feel like that's going to be a really kind 273 00:14:47,665 --> 00:14:51,945 Speaker 4: of big area coming into twenty twenty five. I've heard 274 00:14:51,985 --> 00:14:55,825 Speaker 4: that salmon ingredients, those kind of ingredients that are used 275 00:14:55,905 --> 00:14:59,145 Speaker 4: in the injectible, and obviously a lot of Korean based 276 00:14:59,185 --> 00:15:01,105 Speaker 4: skin care products are going to kind of blow up. 277 00:15:01,425 --> 00:15:03,945 Speaker 3: Yeah, so I think Another brand that's quite mainstream is 278 00:15:03,985 --> 00:15:08,225 Speaker 3: the Anure. They've got the salmon DNA in their cream 279 00:15:08,305 --> 00:15:11,425 Speaker 3: also together with exos, so I think that's where you 280 00:15:11,465 --> 00:15:13,745 Speaker 3: would do that in your morning routine. 281 00:15:13,825 --> 00:15:16,105 Speaker 4: Okay, that's so interesting. I'm going to check them out. 282 00:15:16,305 --> 00:15:18,225 Speaker 4: I think it's called Olive Young. They do a lot 283 00:15:18,265 --> 00:15:21,465 Speaker 4: of those products. Yes on Olive Young, an online retailer 284 00:15:22,305 --> 00:15:25,145 Speaker 4: K beauty products. So that's really really interesting. Talk to 285 00:15:25,225 --> 00:15:27,785 Speaker 4: me a little bit about treatments. You briefly mentioned a 286 00:15:27,825 --> 00:15:31,905 Speaker 4: treatment that you do in clinic for pores and black heads. 287 00:15:32,185 --> 00:15:33,425 Speaker 1: What would you look at here? 288 00:15:33,825 --> 00:15:37,505 Speaker 3: So, once again a combination, But recently TGA has approved 289 00:15:37,545 --> 00:15:39,945 Speaker 3: this laser called AVI Clear that we use for acne 290 00:15:40,425 --> 00:15:42,545 Speaker 3: to shrink the oil glands long term and to fix 291 00:15:42,545 --> 00:15:45,705 Speaker 3: acne without a drug. But on the right settings, it's 292 00:15:45,985 --> 00:15:49,185 Speaker 3: beautiful for poor minimization and you don't need as many 293 00:15:49,185 --> 00:15:51,305 Speaker 3: treatments for acne. In my hands, I might just do 294 00:15:51,385 --> 00:15:53,585 Speaker 3: one session of that and that just shrinks the oil 295 00:15:53,625 --> 00:15:57,065 Speaker 3: glands down, make them behave so they're not overproducing oil. 296 00:15:57,625 --> 00:16:00,385 Speaker 3: But other lasers that your listeners can look into would 297 00:16:00,385 --> 00:16:04,425 Speaker 3: be the Peakle laser. So Pico is an amazing laser 298 00:16:04,465 --> 00:16:08,985 Speaker 3: for poor cleansing. It helps with little indents and scars 299 00:16:09,745 --> 00:16:13,385 Speaker 3: that shutters the gunk and the pool, and it makes 300 00:16:13,385 --> 00:16:16,985 Speaker 3: it eliminate naturally. Great for pigment, you know. So there's 301 00:16:17,025 --> 00:16:20,145 Speaker 3: a few in clinic treatments that I love, and certainly 302 00:16:20,145 --> 00:16:23,265 Speaker 3: in clinic I will also be injecting read uran, So 303 00:16:23,345 --> 00:16:26,385 Speaker 3: the salmon DNA into the face, and that's beautiful for 304 00:16:26,425 --> 00:16:29,625 Speaker 3: that glassy bouncy, that luminosity. 305 00:16:29,825 --> 00:16:32,745 Speaker 4: I've heard a lot of good things about this treatment, 306 00:16:32,905 --> 00:16:35,185 Speaker 4: So I don't know. I feel like maybe twenty twenty 307 00:16:35,185 --> 00:16:36,705 Speaker 4: five is going to be my year to try it. 308 00:16:36,945 --> 00:16:48,065 Speaker 2: Ooh, hit, you've made one of the greatest discoveries. 309 00:16:47,505 --> 00:16:48,145 Speaker 3: Of all time. 310 00:16:48,785 --> 00:16:49,825 Speaker 1: Or a miss? 311 00:16:49,865 --> 00:16:52,625 Speaker 2: Never again, never never. 312 00:16:53,545 --> 00:16:56,345 Speaker 4: I want to ask you about hits and misses. We 313 00:16:56,465 --> 00:16:58,905 Speaker 4: talked about this on the last episode you were on. 314 00:16:59,065 --> 00:17:01,265 Speaker 4: I want to look at hits and misses that you 315 00:17:01,305 --> 00:17:05,865 Speaker 4: would have for pores and black heads. What's one skincare 316 00:17:05,905 --> 00:17:09,265 Speaker 4: technique or ingredient that you love one that you hate. 317 00:17:09,945 --> 00:17:12,945 Speaker 3: The one thing I love for pores is the AHA 318 00:17:13,105 --> 00:17:18,985 Speaker 3: BHAs because this is actually removing that keratin and gunk. 319 00:17:19,065 --> 00:17:23,345 Speaker 3: It's giving you that luminosity, it's teaching yourselves to turn over. 320 00:17:23,185 --> 00:17:23,745 Speaker 1: The right way. 321 00:17:23,945 --> 00:17:26,505 Speaker 3: So it's interesting because aha is when you put it 322 00:17:26,545 --> 00:17:31,785 Speaker 3: on your skin, it's sloughing off the skin cells layer 323 00:17:31,985 --> 00:17:35,985 Speaker 3: by layer, where else BHA will kind of go straight 324 00:17:36,065 --> 00:17:38,385 Speaker 3: down to the pool, the kind of dig it all out, 325 00:17:38,625 --> 00:17:40,505 Speaker 3: so that combination is brilliant. 326 00:17:40,945 --> 00:17:42,825 Speaker 1: And that is like such a big question. 327 00:17:42,865 --> 00:17:45,105 Speaker 4: I always get that question from friends that like, what 328 00:17:45,225 --> 00:17:47,545 Speaker 4: can I use to just fix my bike heads? 329 00:17:48,105 --> 00:17:49,425 Speaker 1: What about something that you hate? 330 00:17:49,665 --> 00:17:52,665 Speaker 3: Ooh, I think extractions? 331 00:17:53,145 --> 00:17:53,945 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's okay. 332 00:17:54,985 --> 00:17:58,465 Speaker 4: Yeah, So like in facial extractions in clinic and at 333 00:17:58,465 --> 00:17:59,905 Speaker 4: home more. 334 00:17:59,785 --> 00:18:02,265 Speaker 3: Than at home extractions. You know, I think if you're 335 00:18:02,305 --> 00:18:04,905 Speaker 3: seeing your facialist and they're doing it the right way 336 00:18:04,945 --> 00:18:08,225 Speaker 3: and then they're doing some ultrasound energy over your skin 337 00:18:08,425 --> 00:18:12,425 Speaker 3: so you're plumping up your collagen and the scaffolding, that's better. 338 00:18:12,705 --> 00:18:15,945 Speaker 3: That's fine, But the at home extractions they always end 339 00:18:16,025 --> 00:18:17,385 Speaker 3: up scarring my patients. 340 00:18:17,425 --> 00:18:19,105 Speaker 4: And can it make it worse when you're doing it 341 00:18:19,185 --> 00:18:23,905 Speaker 4: at home, like say you're using there's so many different tools, 342 00:18:24,345 --> 00:18:26,585 Speaker 4: you know, besides just poor strips, you can also get 343 00:18:26,585 --> 00:18:28,745 Speaker 4: the little metal tools. 344 00:18:28,465 --> 00:18:30,065 Speaker 3: The commodore and extractors. 345 00:18:30,625 --> 00:18:34,025 Speaker 1: Yes, would you say that they would be making it worse. 346 00:18:33,945 --> 00:18:36,425 Speaker 3: More in terms of scarring, but also long term, they're 347 00:18:36,465 --> 00:18:40,025 Speaker 3: also very addictive. So I think there is that addictive 348 00:18:40,025 --> 00:18:42,545 Speaker 3: elopment that we're not talking about. You know, it's like 349 00:18:42,625 --> 00:18:46,185 Speaker 3: nail biting. Is that it's straight dopamine hit, you know, so. 350 00:18:46,425 --> 00:18:48,545 Speaker 1: Clean it all out, yeah, and I think it's all good. 351 00:18:48,585 --> 00:18:50,225 Speaker 1: Then like a couple of days later, you're like it's 352 00:18:50,225 --> 00:18:51,305 Speaker 1: all back yes. 353 00:18:51,785 --> 00:18:53,985 Speaker 3: So I think that's the annoyance with it. And over 354 00:18:54,065 --> 00:18:56,985 Speaker 3: time the poor just looks a bit more lax and 355 00:18:57,585 --> 00:19:00,705 Speaker 3: in a way that more you excrewed. That first bit 356 00:19:00,745 --> 00:19:05,465 Speaker 3: of oxidized gung just refills. So I feel like the 357 00:19:05,505 --> 00:19:08,505 Speaker 3: oil gland is thinking, Okay, I just need to work 358 00:19:08,905 --> 00:19:11,865 Speaker 3: over her, to work extra hard, and then you're actually 359 00:19:11,865 --> 00:19:14,625 Speaker 3: getting more inflammation and production. 360 00:19:15,265 --> 00:19:18,465 Speaker 4: Okay, that is so good because I've had so many friends, 361 00:19:18,625 --> 00:19:21,225 Speaker 4: even my husband as well, he is like big on 362 00:19:22,225 --> 00:19:26,465 Speaker 4: the at home extracting tool. I'm always like, freaks me 363 00:19:26,585 --> 00:19:29,105 Speaker 4: out when you're using that on your face, doctor SHEMI, 364 00:19:29,265 --> 00:19:31,865 Speaker 4: thank you so much for coming on and giving us 365 00:19:32,025 --> 00:19:34,345 Speaker 4: all those great recommendations. 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