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Speaker 1: You're listening to Amma Mia podcast from Mamma Mia. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the Spill, your daily pop culture fix.

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Speaker 2: I'm Laura Brednik and I'm Miniitiaiswarren and.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to our Friday show where we often it's not

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Speaker 1: a set rule, but it has become a set rule

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Speaker 1: where we deep dive on TVs and movies and just

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Speaker 1: really have a nostalgic fun time.

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Speaker 3: We really do, and we're not doing a brittally honest review.

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Speaker 3: We really get in there with a good movie or

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Speaker 3: TV show round up these days.

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Speaker 1: Yes, so we have a round up that we worked

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Speaker 1: very hard on. We really thought about what was going

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Speaker 1: to be the talking point this week. And obviously the

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Speaker 1: second part of Bridgeton season four has come out, and

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Speaker 1: I'm sure everyone has already because it came out last night.

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Speaker 1: It has already devoured most of it or they've set

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Speaker 1: it aside for the weekend. And one of the biggest

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Speaker 1: themes for Bridgeton season four is a secret romance. Well,

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Speaker 1: there's layers of secrets because obviously Sophie was keeping her

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Speaker 1: identity as Woman in Silver a secret from Bennetict's Bridgeton,

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Speaker 1: and then also they've had to keep their relationship secret

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Speaker 1: from society because you know, he's rich and she's poor,

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Speaker 1: and the Romeo and Juliet of it all.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's sort of a double element to the secrecy.

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Speaker 3: So today we thought we would do TV shows with

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Speaker 3: the best secret romances. And that can either mean that

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Speaker 3: within the couple, someone is keeping a big secret from

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Speaker 3: the other or like you know, shouting their identity or

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Speaker 3: something like that. Or it can be that as a couple,

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Speaker 3: they're keeping their relationship secret from other people in the show.

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Speaker 1: Which I love. And there's so many shows that touch

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Speaker 1: on this. I love a secret romance. I love I

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Speaker 1: guess because I was raised on superhero shows and I

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Speaker 1: do have one of those to bring up. There's often

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Speaker 1: like one person like it has to keep their superhero

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Speaker 3: It always sem stressful. I'm always like I would let

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Speaker 3: that slip by accudents. You tell everyone on the first day,

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Speaker 3: Hannahontana and Miley.

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Speaker 1: Cyrus or I also love if there's a reason why

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Speaker 1: a couple has to be in secret, it just makes

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Speaker 1: it so exciting.

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Speaker 2: So much sexier. We should all bring secrets back.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, bring secret omens is back. I love that idea. Okay, well,

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Speaker 1: shall we give little teas of what we have coming up,

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Speaker 1: because I'm still deciding if I'm going to say this

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Speaker 1: one or not. Oh well, you can't say that. I say, Well,

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Speaker 1: there's a TV show that I've become so wildly obsessed

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Speaker 1: with the last few months that I have told no

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Speaker 1: one about, and I never thought I would talk about

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Speaker 1: it in the pod.

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Speaker 2: Because it just it's a bit uncol Have you recom

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Speaker 2: mentioned it to me?

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Speaker 1: No, never, no one.

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 1: I let it slip to one of my sisters the

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Speaker 1: you'd like that show. That's not embarrassing. So she doesn't

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Speaker 1: it's got a secret of Romance. I just thought it

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Speaker 1: had to come. I thought, since we're sharing secrets today.

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Speaker 2: You're like, I'm going to actually out.

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Speaker 1: Out my secret TV show Romance. Okay, what's one that

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Speaker 1: you've got coming up?

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Speaker 2: Well, so I've broken mind out.

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Speaker 3: I love a little bit of alliteration, so I will

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Speaker 3: have three and they each have a describing word. One

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Speaker 3: creepy and one is cozy.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, And so listeners, just so you know, we

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Speaker 1: have not share what our TV shows are, so we're

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Speaker 1: gonna surprise each other. Maybe we have crossover, maybe we don't,

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Speaker 1: but okay, I think you really No, I don't think

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Speaker 2: We picked three shows and we happened to fix this.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I think after that, Cell, you need to

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Speaker 3: Okay, So I'll kick things off with controversial. So this,

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Speaker 1: Yes, pretty Little Lie?

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Speaker 2: I didn't know. That's why.

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Speaker 1: As soon as she said that's a controversial so she

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Speaker 3: So obviously a show shrouded in secrecy, so many secrets.

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Speaker 3: know it's a promatic, but I just I think.

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Speaker 1: I just saw a lot of myself. Oh my god,

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Speaker 1: that is first of all, that's wildly problematic. And yeah,

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Speaker 1: everything about their characters is My biggest thing with watching

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Speaker 3: Do you think it's indicative of maybe like the age

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, no no, because to be honest, I would

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Speaker 1: have let it slide. I know it's bad because he's

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Speaker 2: Okay, interesting, I mean he does, but like, yeah.

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Speaker 1: But you're only You're like, yeah, date that teacher, sixteen

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Speaker 3: It's one of those scenes though, when they meet first

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Speaker 3: it's a real like meek cute got gone wrong. We've

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Speaker 3: by Ian Harding, who I love, and they're in a

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Speaker 3: I don't know the name of that song, but the

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Speaker 1: And because they go into the bathroom which I can

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Speaker 1: lifts her up onto the bench. Yes, And the fact

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Speaker 1: I think I just in my mind just was like,

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Speaker 3: It's actually twenty Yeah, So that was okay. I mean

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Speaker 2: But I mean I didn't translate for ever.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's just as it went along. I sort

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Speaker 1: the thing is, the fandom, You're right, loved them being together.

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Speaker 2: All the edits.

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Speaker 3: I was fully like, you know, deep in those Reddit threads,

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Speaker 3: and you know, nowadays it would be I feel like it's.

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Speaker 1: The only teacher student. Because again the there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of secret romances and teen shows over the last twenty

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Speaker 1: should be. Because we had it on Dawson's Creek, that's

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Speaker 1: a massive storyline for Pacey in the first season. It's

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Speaker 1: also on Riverdale, and both those times everyone was like,

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Speaker 1: They were like they're in love.

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Speaker 3: I mean, for anyone who hasn't watched it, they literally

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Speaker 2: But they can't stay away from each other. There's a

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Speaker 3: I remember some peak problematic moments in the series of

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's so many reasons don't date your teacher,

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Speaker 1: but that's yeah, it doesn't make the classroom awkward. What

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Speaker 2: I remember watching that scene and being like, Oh, they

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Speaker 1: to be honest, though, that wouldn't have mattered. A romance

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Speaker 3: One thing I think makes it really problematic, though, is

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Speaker 3: Four it's revealed that he knew who she was before

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, Okay, now it's all coming back to me.

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Speaker 1: the first season, she's just an This is about the

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Speaker 1: So he meets a girl in a bar. She's not drinking,

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Speaker 1: talking about the college because her father works at the college. Right,

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Speaker 1: it's all coming back to me. And so they're talking

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Speaker 1: didn't know. That's fine. He thought she was just a

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Speaker 1: where you end up. She's not even a senior, No

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Speaker 1: she's not. There's still many seasons with a teen show.

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Speaker 1: You have to keep them in high school for a

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Speaker 2: And they keep this going for ages.

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Speaker 3: So this is why this is the epitome of a

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Speaker 3: secret romance to me, like they spend full seasons lying

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Speaker 3: then obviously in pretty little liars, you have that shrouded

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I think it really did glamorize that teacher relationship, though

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Speaker 3: because they end the series married, it works out for them.

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Speaker 2: And one thing I remember Lucy Hale's saying.

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Speaker 3: It was specifically in an interview where they do those

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Speaker 1: and stuff. But it's just, yeah, that.

439
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Speaker 2: Actually has that's a good cell. I'm inspired.

440
00:17:10,074 --> 00:17:11,914
Speaker 1: Well, it's the kind of thing if you like crime,

441
00:17:12,034 --> 00:17:14,793
Speaker 1: if you like teen drama, if you like yeah, just

442
00:17:14,834 --> 00:17:17,234
Speaker 1: a beautiful love story. To this day, nothing will ever

443
00:17:17,314 --> 00:17:20,354
Speaker 1: top it. Just don't watch the continuation story that's on stand.

444
00:17:20,554 --> 00:17:21,314
Speaker 2: We don't talk about it.

445
00:17:21,354 --> 00:17:23,554
Speaker 1: We don't talk about it. I'm so excited about you

446
00:17:23,594 --> 00:17:24,754
Speaker 1: going to say next. I feel like this is such

447
00:17:24,754 --> 00:17:27,313
Speaker 1: an emotional episode. Really liked mess Up. We thought this

448
00:17:27,354 --> 00:17:29,434
Speaker 1: would just be a life funny episode. But we're talking

449
00:17:29,474 --> 00:17:32,714
Speaker 1: about all the shows that have like shaped us.

450
00:17:31,594 --> 00:17:35,314
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm a little bit scared about my next one

451
00:17:35,354 --> 00:17:37,834
Speaker 3: because I feel I really interpreted the brief maybe in

452
00:17:37,834 --> 00:17:40,874
Speaker 3: a different way, especially given your reaction to my first one.

453
00:17:40,874 --> 00:17:42,194
Speaker 3: You were like, would we say this is one of

454
00:17:42,194 --> 00:17:44,194
Speaker 3: the best, Oh.

455
00:17:43,834 --> 00:17:46,154
Speaker 1: It is one of my No, no, no, I just was like, whoa,

456
00:17:46,194 --> 00:17:48,234
Speaker 1: that's controversial, but I agree with you, it's one of

457
00:17:48,274 --> 00:17:49,834
Speaker 1: the best. Like they had to keep that hidden.

458
00:17:50,194 --> 00:17:52,394
Speaker 2: Yeah, well this is mostly from the police. This one.

459
00:17:52,394 --> 00:17:54,994
Speaker 2: I've gone with creepy, and I've gone.

460
00:17:54,834 --> 00:17:58,714
Speaker 3: With it from the perspective of the ultimate secret keeping guy,

461
00:17:58,754 --> 00:18:01,674
Speaker 3: where his entire identity is not what you think and

462
00:18:01,714 --> 00:18:02,754
Speaker 3: it's super messed up.

463
00:18:03,074 --> 00:18:03,874
Speaker 1: My god, can I guess?

464
00:18:03,994 --> 00:18:05,074
Speaker 2: Oh you're gonna know it?

465
00:18:05,514 --> 00:18:05,714
Speaker 3: Yes?

466
00:18:07,154 --> 00:18:10,593
Speaker 1: Oh, my god, I'm too easy to read. Your intros

467
00:18:10,594 --> 00:18:12,954
Speaker 1: are really good. Coming in here. I had no idea

468
00:18:12,954 --> 00:18:14,513
Speaker 1: what you're going to say. It's just that your intros

469
00:18:14,514 --> 00:18:14,994
Speaker 1: are very good.

470
00:18:15,074 --> 00:18:15,674
Speaker 2: Okay, thank you.

471
00:18:15,794 --> 00:18:18,994
Speaker 3: So obviously we have Joe Goldberg played by Penn Badgley,

472
00:18:19,034 --> 00:18:21,114
Speaker 3: also known for keeping lots of secrets in Gossip Girl,

473
00:18:21,914 --> 00:18:23,914
Speaker 3: and I mean this is with him and all his

474
00:18:24,034 --> 00:18:26,554
Speaker 3: various partners throughout So, I mean, I'm sure most people

475
00:18:26,554 --> 00:18:30,274
Speaker 3: have watched you dangerous obsessive man, puts people in cages, stalks, manipulate,

476
00:18:30,354 --> 00:18:32,793
Speaker 3: serial killing, all the good stuff, and he keeps I mean,

477
00:18:32,834 --> 00:18:36,034
Speaker 3: the biggest secrets ever, his entire identity, from Beck, from Love,

478
00:18:36,074 --> 00:18:39,234
Speaker 3: from Marianne, from Kate, all his women throughout the various

479
00:18:39,474 --> 00:18:43,394
Speaker 3: seasons that he regularly pops into his big scary glass cage,

480
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Speaker 3: which I actually reads took like.

481
00:18:45,194 --> 00:18:47,274
Speaker 2: Hundreds of thousands of dollars, Like it costs that much

482
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Speaker 2: to make.

483
00:18:47,634 --> 00:18:49,313
Speaker 1: What that glass cage he keeps those women in.

484
00:18:49,394 --> 00:18:51,434
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was like, it looks kind of easy. Sometimes.

485
00:18:51,514 --> 00:18:53,834
Speaker 1: Do we think Netflix has too much money? Maybe?

486
00:18:53,874 --> 00:18:55,354
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm like, guys, just get a box.

487
00:18:55,674 --> 00:18:58,234
Speaker 3: There's the pattern every season where he'll spot someone and

488
00:18:58,234 --> 00:19:01,874
Speaker 3: then he'll be like you in the trailer, you little voice,

489
00:19:01,994 --> 00:19:03,954
Speaker 3: and then he'll engineer a meet cute and then he'll

490
00:19:03,954 --> 00:19:06,234
Speaker 3: be like, Okay, I need to eliminate the obstacles aka

491
00:19:06,354 --> 00:19:08,554
Speaker 3: the friends in Exit than anyone who questions him.

492
00:19:08,954 --> 00:19:11,154
Speaker 2: And he actually, you know, those creepy.

493
00:19:10,754 --> 00:19:13,474
Speaker 3: Inner monologues that he does, apparently he improvised like sixty

494
00:19:13,474 --> 00:19:16,994
Speaker 3: percent of those based on real Storkrey case studies that

495
00:19:17,074 --> 00:19:18,033
Speaker 3: the book was based on.

496
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Speaker 1: That makes me admire Pen Badgely so much more than

497
00:19:21,514 --> 00:19:23,674
Speaker 1: I ever have before, because truth you told, it's not

498
00:19:23,754 --> 00:19:25,754
Speaker 1: the best actor in the world. And I had found

499
00:19:25,754 --> 00:19:29,034
Speaker 1: his attitude over the years not great. Just when he

500
00:19:29,074 --> 00:19:30,674
Speaker 1: talks about how like, oh, I was on a shitty show,

501
00:19:30,714 --> 00:19:33,354
Speaker 1: gossip Girl, and it was this that made better than Yeah,

502
00:19:33,354 --> 00:19:34,514
Speaker 1: And I was like, you know what, You're not better

503
00:19:34,514 --> 00:19:35,154
Speaker 1: than gossip Girl.

504
00:19:35,154 --> 00:19:37,313
Speaker 3: My friend he dated Blake Loadly that would never have

505
00:19:37,314 --> 00:19:40,074
Speaker 3: happened for you, Yeah, exactly, Like sorry, no.

506
00:19:40,154 --> 00:19:42,154
Speaker 1: But then he's really leaned into like all the fan

507
00:19:42,194 --> 00:19:44,474
Speaker 1: from around Gossip Girl with his podcast when he needed

508
00:19:44,474 --> 00:19:46,394
Speaker 1: to monetize it. But I did think he was good

509
00:19:46,394 --> 00:19:47,994
Speaker 1: in You, to be honest, I fell off after the

510
00:19:47,994 --> 00:19:50,114
Speaker 1: first few seasons of You. The first season of You,

511
00:19:50,154 --> 00:19:52,594
Speaker 1: I think is really great television. And this is the

512
00:19:52,594 --> 00:19:54,754
Speaker 1: first time I've ever sided with Penn Badgeley is that

513
00:19:55,154 --> 00:19:57,674
Speaker 1: he was like, You're not supposed to think this is romantic,

514
00:19:57,674 --> 00:20:00,154
Speaker 1: because you know, so many women watched that first episode

515
00:20:00,594 --> 00:20:03,394
Speaker 1: and we're like, I want Joe to like fantasize about

516
00:20:03,434 --> 00:20:05,074
Speaker 1: me like that. I'd love to be wanted like that

517
00:20:05,154 --> 00:20:08,234
Speaker 1: by someone. And I'm like, you're taking the part away

518
00:20:08,234 --> 00:20:11,194
Speaker 1: from this show. This is so creepy. He is creepy,

519
00:20:11,234 --> 00:20:14,274
Speaker 1: and pen was like, this is creepy. Don't fantasize over

520
00:20:14,274 --> 00:20:14,594
Speaker 1: this man.

521
00:20:14,794 --> 00:20:18,154
Speaker 3: Interestingly, the show runners, they've talked about how they tried

522
00:20:18,154 --> 00:20:20,354
Speaker 3: to frame a lot of those grand gestures in the

523
00:20:20,354 --> 00:20:22,394
Speaker 3: way you would a rom com, but make it creepy.

524
00:20:22,434 --> 00:20:25,114
Speaker 3: So the creator and show runner Sarah Gamble, she spoke

525
00:20:25,154 --> 00:20:27,474
Speaker 3: in this roundtable I remember it was like twenty nineteen

526
00:20:27,554 --> 00:20:31,474
Speaker 3: or something called romantic comedy. Behavior in real life is criminal,

527
00:20:31,754 --> 00:20:34,354
Speaker 3: and she talked about how you take those romantic tropes

528
00:20:34,354 --> 00:20:36,553
Speaker 3: like running through an airport watching you while you sleep,

529
00:20:36,874 --> 00:20:39,513
Speaker 3: and basically flips them into these stalking red flag so

530
00:20:39,554 --> 00:20:42,234
Speaker 3: it's sort of meant to leave the viewer. What she

531
00:20:42,354 --> 00:20:44,674
Speaker 3: said was to make the audience think is this hot

532
00:20:44,794 --> 00:20:45,394
Speaker 3: or horrifying?

533
00:20:45,434 --> 00:20:46,754
Speaker 2: So I guess some people lean hot.

534
00:20:47,114 --> 00:20:49,234
Speaker 1: I think too many people lean hot, But I understand

535
00:20:49,234 --> 00:20:51,114
Speaker 1: why everything's sexy one. This is what we always say.

536
00:20:51,114 --> 00:20:54,234
Speaker 1: Everything's sexy on screen, all those things on screen about

537
00:20:54,274 --> 00:20:56,314
Speaker 1: like a man like pursuing you, even coming up to

538
00:20:56,434 --> 00:20:58,954
Speaker 1: on the street, or like having that like weird back

539
00:20:58,954 --> 00:21:00,874
Speaker 1: and forth, like all these things, or like you know,

540
00:21:00,914 --> 00:21:03,354
Speaker 1: showing up at your house and with flowers or something

541
00:21:03,394 --> 00:21:04,834
Speaker 1: like that when you didn't tell him where you lived.

542
00:21:04,874 --> 00:21:07,313
Speaker 1: In a rom com, those things come across because you

543
00:21:07,354 --> 00:21:09,194
Speaker 1: do some famous actor who we love and there's cute

544
00:21:09,234 --> 00:21:12,154
Speaker 1: music in the background. In a rom com, those things

545
00:21:12,154 --> 00:21:15,754
Speaker 1: come across as like aspirational. But in real life, just

546
00:21:15,754 --> 00:21:17,634
Speaker 1: think if a man even approached you on the street

547
00:21:17,714 --> 00:21:21,474
Speaker 1: right now, I would lose my mind, wouldn't be. Guy

548
00:21:21,514 --> 00:21:22,874
Speaker 1: said to me the lights the other day, what are

549
00:21:22,874 --> 00:21:24,954
Speaker 1: you listening to? And I ran away from him. I

550
00:21:24,994 --> 00:21:26,154
Speaker 1: did need a crime podcast.

551
00:21:26,274 --> 00:21:28,394
Speaker 3: That's what I'm listening to, and I'm trying to avoid

552
00:21:28,434 --> 00:21:29,354
Speaker 3: one in my real life.

553
00:21:29,394 --> 00:21:31,074
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, afterwards, I was like, you know,

554
00:21:31,154 --> 00:21:32,914
Speaker 1: you think about walking through the streets. I was coming

555
00:21:32,914 --> 00:21:34,514
Speaker 1: from an event. I was all dressed up. You're walking

556
00:21:34,514 --> 00:21:36,394
Speaker 1: through the streets of Sydney, all the lights are up.

557
00:21:36,634 --> 00:21:38,434
Speaker 1: In a rom com, that's how you would meet like

558
00:21:38,434 --> 00:21:40,514
Speaker 1: a you'd have like interaction with like a cute guy,

559
00:21:40,954 --> 00:21:43,594
Speaker 1: but in real life you're like, ah, you have to

560
00:21:43,674 --> 00:21:44,154
Speaker 1: run away.

561
00:21:44,474 --> 00:21:46,034
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is true when it takes you off guard.

562
00:21:46,074 --> 00:21:47,954
Speaker 3: Especially I did once have a guy helped me over

563
00:21:47,994 --> 00:21:49,074
Speaker 3: a puddle, and I was like.

564
00:21:49,034 --> 00:21:52,553
Speaker 2: This, why, But then it didn't go anywhere. I was like,

565
00:21:52,594 --> 00:21:54,114
Speaker 2: this is a movie. You would have asked my number.

566
00:21:54,194 --> 00:21:56,154
Speaker 1: That is the most rom com thing help you over

567
00:21:56,154 --> 00:21:56,714
Speaker 1: a puddle.

568
00:21:56,834 --> 00:21:58,674
Speaker 2: Yeah it was a big puddle. I was holding a

569
00:21:58,674 --> 00:21:59,754
Speaker 2: lot of things anyway.

570
00:22:00,714 --> 00:22:03,273
Speaker 3: But basically, what I want to say to those people

571
00:22:03,314 --> 00:22:06,154
Speaker 3: who say it's really romantic, I want Joe to fantasize

572
00:22:06,154 --> 00:22:06,513
Speaker 3: about me.

573
00:22:06,714 --> 00:22:09,874
Speaker 2: Did they remember the first episode or however, maybe it.

574
00:22:09,874 --> 00:22:11,554
Speaker 3: Wasn't the first episode, but early on in the first

575
00:22:11,554 --> 00:22:13,874
Speaker 3: season where he's standing on the road looking through the

576
00:22:13,874 --> 00:22:15,114
Speaker 3: window masturbating.

577
00:22:15,274 --> 00:22:16,833
Speaker 2: Do they remember that? I know.

578
00:22:16,914 --> 00:22:19,354
Speaker 1: I think people really editorialize in their head. I also

579
00:22:19,354 --> 00:22:21,034
Speaker 1: think it's just that idea of like, this is why

580
00:22:21,074 --> 00:22:24,474
Speaker 1: people love, like when you're talking about like Sarah Gamble saying,

581
00:22:24,554 --> 00:22:26,594
Speaker 1: like that idea of a man watching you while you

582
00:22:26,594 --> 00:22:28,554
Speaker 1: sleep because he's so obsessed with you, and that's why

583
00:22:28,594 --> 00:22:32,554
Speaker 1: people love like those supernatural romanticy books that's why people

584
00:22:32,594 --> 00:22:36,154
Speaker 1: loved Twilight, because Twilight in its like self, it's like,

585
00:22:36,194 --> 00:22:38,634
Speaker 1: it's not a very impressive story. The characters are very thin.

586
00:22:38,714 --> 00:22:39,914
Speaker 1: I know, no, I know you love it, but I'm

587
00:22:39,954 --> 00:22:42,114
Speaker 1: just saying, like, it's that obsession that he has with

588
00:22:42,234 --> 00:22:45,114
Speaker 1: her that a lot of people would just like fantasize

589
00:22:45,114 --> 00:22:47,273
Speaker 1: about someone having that obsession with them seems like the

590
00:22:47,274 --> 00:22:49,833
Speaker 1: most romantic thing ever. Yeah, but you so you love

591
00:22:49,874 --> 00:22:51,114
Speaker 1: it in a book, in a movie, but in real

592
00:22:51,154 --> 00:22:52,514
Speaker 1: life it would be so terrifying.

593
00:22:52,594 --> 00:22:54,994
Speaker 2: I mean everyone also, go listen to our brittally honest review.

594
00:22:54,754 --> 00:22:58,394
Speaker 1: Of Twilight, because that was highlight of life, really.

595
00:22:58,874 --> 00:23:01,394
Speaker 3: But in season two of You, just to bring it back,

596
00:23:01,474 --> 00:23:04,154
Speaker 3: the whole secret thing is on another level because his

597
00:23:04,394 --> 00:23:06,634
Speaker 3: love interest in that season is love Quinn. I hate

598
00:23:06,634 --> 00:23:08,074
Speaker 3: that her name is love I always oh.

599
00:23:07,954 --> 00:23:10,034
Speaker 1: I like that. It's a good character name. I thought

600
00:23:10,074 --> 00:23:11,914
Speaker 1: it suits her and her craziness.

601
00:23:11,434 --> 00:23:11,674
Speaker 2: I guess.

602
00:23:11,714 --> 00:23:14,914
Speaker 3: So anyway, played by Victoria Pedretti, and she is the

603
00:23:14,954 --> 00:23:17,274
Speaker 3: first well I mean she's only really his second serious

604
00:23:17,274 --> 00:23:19,114
Speaker 3: partner in the series, but the first one who shares

605
00:23:19,154 --> 00:23:21,553
Speaker 3: this dart secret in that she's also a killer. And

606
00:23:21,594 --> 00:23:24,354
Speaker 3: so you get this fascinating sort of reversal where he

607
00:23:24,674 --> 00:23:27,554
Speaker 3: is horrified by her capacity for violence when he is

608
00:23:27,594 --> 00:23:29,634
Speaker 3: the same way himself, and that I found that really

609
00:23:29,674 --> 00:23:32,394
Speaker 3: fun to watch. And they're sort of having the secret

610
00:23:32,474 --> 00:23:34,234
Speaker 3: romance in the way where they go on to pretend

611
00:23:34,234 --> 00:23:35,714
Speaker 3: to be this normal suburban couple.

612
00:23:35,994 --> 00:23:37,874
Speaker 2: They have a baby, they have a white picket fence.

613
00:23:37,954 --> 00:23:39,794
Speaker 3: I think they go to couples therapy at one point,

614
00:23:39,794 --> 00:23:42,114
Speaker 3: and then they're bearing bodies in the backyard. So they're

615
00:23:42,154 --> 00:23:45,154
Speaker 3: the epitome of also keeping a secret from the rest

616
00:23:45,194 --> 00:23:47,554
Speaker 3: of the world. But all his relationships start out with

617
00:23:47,634 --> 00:23:49,434
Speaker 3: him keeping a secret, so I feel like he really

618
00:23:49,674 --> 00:23:50,914
Speaker 3: encompasses this theme.

619
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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, you've hit the nail on the head there twice,

620
00:23:54,034 --> 00:23:56,714
Speaker 1: keeping a secret from your partner and also keeping your

621
00:23:56,834 --> 00:23:58,714
Speaker 1: own bloodthirsty relationship a secret.

622
00:23:58,794 --> 00:23:59,994
Speaker 2: Yeah, you gotta get both in there.

623
00:24:00,034 --> 00:24:02,074
Speaker 3: And did the show ever manage to sort of get

624
00:24:02,114 --> 00:24:04,274
Speaker 3: you rooting for him like where you were WoT? No, one,

625
00:24:04,474 --> 00:24:06,594
Speaker 3: not once, But I get stressed out that people would

626
00:24:06,594 --> 00:24:08,114
Speaker 3: find out is that me rooting for him?

627
00:24:08,154 --> 00:24:08,874
Speaker 2: Like I get strapped.

628
00:24:08,874 --> 00:24:10,594
Speaker 1: I think you need to unpack that potentially with a

629
00:24:10,594 --> 00:24:13,554
Speaker 1: professional But No. In the first episode, I was very

630
00:24:13,594 --> 00:24:15,754
Speaker 1: interested in him because I think also I hadn't like

631
00:24:15,754 --> 00:24:17,553
Speaker 1: watched a show like that before, so I think I

632
00:24:17,554 --> 00:24:19,394
Speaker 1: was very invested in him. But no, I really got

633
00:24:19,434 --> 00:24:21,034
Speaker 1: the becaus the show went long. I only watched the

634
00:24:21,034 --> 00:24:22,994
Speaker 1: first three seasons, and I I think I only watched

635
00:24:22,994 --> 00:24:24,513
Speaker 1: the first two. Then I dropped off. I was like,

636
00:24:24,554 --> 00:24:26,154
Speaker 1: this man's not for me. Him, this man and his

637
00:24:26,194 --> 00:24:26,914
Speaker 1: woes are not for me.

638
00:24:27,034 --> 00:24:27,234
Speaker 2: See.

639
00:24:27,274 --> 00:24:28,874
Speaker 3: I remember having one thought, which I now think was

640
00:24:28,914 --> 00:24:31,394
Speaker 3: like quite problematic. It's not about finding him attractive, but

641
00:24:31,994 --> 00:24:34,274
Speaker 3: when he sort of engineered everything so perfectly to get

642
00:24:34,274 --> 00:24:36,154
Speaker 3: her in the box whatever the first time, and he

643
00:24:36,274 --> 00:24:37,234
Speaker 3: was almost gonna get caught.

644
00:24:37,274 --> 00:24:39,354
Speaker 2: I remember in my head thinking, oh.

645
00:24:39,154 --> 00:24:40,834
Speaker 3: It's like I could see how this would look really

646
00:24:40,914 --> 00:24:42,394
Speaker 3: bad if someone walked in right now.

647
00:24:42,714 --> 00:24:44,074
Speaker 2: He worked so hard to get Oh.

648
00:24:44,674 --> 00:24:46,634
Speaker 1: You're like, just let that creepy serial kill a man,

649
00:24:46,754 --> 00:24:48,714
Speaker 1: trap that woman. It's like he's giving her food through

650
00:24:48,714 --> 00:24:51,474
Speaker 1: the little try and no one gives him a chance.

651
00:24:51,594 --> 00:24:53,274
Speaker 2: My turn to defend a man on the podcast.

652
00:24:53,354 --> 00:24:56,514
Speaker 3: You've been doing that a lot, la anyway, you that's

653
00:24:56,554 --> 00:24:58,634
Speaker 3: what that's my second pick, that's my creepy pick.

654
00:24:58,794 --> 00:25:03,674
Speaker 1: Yeah, well it really is. Okay, So as you know,

655
00:25:03,754 --> 00:25:07,154
Speaker 1: I love superhero shows famous, they raised me famously, and

656
00:25:07,234 --> 00:25:10,194
Speaker 1: so in superhero shows, obviously, a huge thing is that

657
00:25:10,234 --> 00:25:12,314
Speaker 1: the superhero in question, the center of the show, in

658
00:25:12,354 --> 00:25:14,754
Speaker 1: the center of the universe that you're watching, often needs

659
00:25:14,754 --> 00:25:17,194
Speaker 1: to keep their identity a secret to protect their family

660
00:25:17,194 --> 00:25:19,313
Speaker 1: and love ones, and usually their love interests. So I

661
00:25:19,314 --> 00:25:22,074
Speaker 1: really thought about which of all the superhero shows I've

662
00:25:22,114 --> 00:25:24,154
Speaker 1: been obsessed with over the years, and I had to

663
00:25:24,194 --> 00:25:27,714
Speaker 1: go back to one that became my entire personality in

664
00:25:27,794 --> 00:25:30,954
Speaker 1: high school, which is Smallville. Okay, have you seen it?

665
00:25:31,194 --> 00:25:34,914
Speaker 1: I've seen bits just so well, you should say and

666
00:25:34,954 --> 00:25:39,034
Speaker 1: watch it. There's ten seasons, ten perfect seasons.

667
00:25:39,114 --> 00:25:40,234
Speaker 2: You love a long running show.

668
00:25:40,594 --> 00:25:43,154
Speaker 1: I love a long running show. And so what it

669
00:25:43,234 --> 00:25:45,714
Speaker 1: is is, there's been so many it's about Superman, so

670
00:25:45,754 --> 00:25:48,674
Speaker 1: many movies about Clark Kent who Superman, being an adult

671
00:25:48,674 --> 00:25:51,154
Speaker 1: in Metropolis working at the Daily Planet, falling in love

672
00:25:51,194 --> 00:25:53,114
Speaker 1: with Lowis Lane. Like there'd been TV shows about that,

673
00:25:53,194 --> 00:25:55,394
Speaker 1: There'd be movies, there were so many comics. What it

674
00:25:55,474 --> 00:25:58,394
Speaker 1: was about Smallville is was it took him back to

675
00:25:58,754 --> 00:26:01,154
Speaker 1: living in Smallville, which is where he grew up, and

676
00:26:01,274 --> 00:26:04,714
Speaker 1: him being a teenager and having his powers obviously and

677
00:26:04,754 --> 00:26:06,874
Speaker 1: living on the farm with his parents, but also like

678
00:26:06,874 --> 00:26:09,314
Speaker 1: what his life looks like then, So it's him having

679
00:26:09,314 --> 00:26:12,714
Speaker 1: his powers and because the meteor crash there and that's

680
00:26:12,714 --> 00:26:16,354
Speaker 1: how he came to Earth. The meteor powers have made

681
00:26:16,394 --> 00:26:18,394
Speaker 1: a lot of people in the town have mutant nobility,

682
00:26:18,474 --> 00:26:20,874
Speaker 1: so it's like every week he fights a different mutant

683
00:26:21,034 --> 00:26:23,514
Speaker 1: and later he doesn't fly till the very last minute

684
00:26:23,514 --> 00:26:26,394
Speaker 1: of the very last episode, oh ten years later, So

685
00:26:26,474 --> 00:26:28,273
Speaker 1: it's not that kind of a show, but it's very

686
00:26:28,354 --> 00:26:31,354
Speaker 1: much like Mute into the Week and for the first

687
00:26:31,394 --> 00:26:34,114
Speaker 1: couple of seasons, like the first half of the show. Actually,

688
00:26:34,434 --> 00:26:37,194
Speaker 1: his love interest is not Lois Lane. His love interest

689
00:26:37,274 --> 00:26:39,754
Speaker 1: is Lana Lang, who's from the original comics, played by

690
00:26:39,834 --> 00:26:43,154
Speaker 1: Kristin Krook, And it's like she's the beautiful girl at

691
00:26:43,154 --> 00:26:45,714
Speaker 1: school that Clark Kent is so obsessed with and in

692
00:26:45,754 --> 00:26:47,634
Speaker 1: love with, and she's got a boyfriend and thinks he's

693
00:26:47,674 --> 00:26:49,914
Speaker 1: like fine and nice, and so you watch their love

694
00:26:49,994 --> 00:26:53,514
Speaker 1: story over time, but she obviously can't know that he

695
00:26:53,754 --> 00:26:56,793
Speaker 1: has these powers, so he often has to lie to her,

696
00:26:56,834 --> 00:26:59,194
Speaker 1: which causes like rifts in their relationship even before they

697
00:26:59,234 --> 00:27:02,754
Speaker 1: start dating, to protect her, yeah, exactly, because she'll be like,

698
00:27:02,794 --> 00:27:03,954
Speaker 1: what do you mean you didn't shop this thing?

699
00:27:04,394 --> 00:27:04,874
Speaker 2: You weren't here.

700
00:27:04,954 --> 00:27:07,314
Speaker 1: You you always run away when there's danger in Yeah,

701
00:27:07,314 --> 00:27:08,794
Speaker 1: because I had to go and save to fight a

702
00:27:08,834 --> 00:27:10,474
Speaker 1: met Yeah exactly, I had to fight a meat in

703
00:27:10,514 --> 00:27:12,994
Speaker 1: but one of it. And I was beyond obsessed with

704
00:27:13,074 --> 00:27:15,514
Speaker 1: this as because I was like twelve or thirteen when

705
00:27:15,514 --> 00:27:19,073
Speaker 1: the show came out, probably twelve, and because her parents

706
00:27:19,114 --> 00:27:21,674
Speaker 1: died in the Medior crash. When her aunt adopted her,

707
00:27:21,714 --> 00:27:24,033
Speaker 1: she gave her a little piece of the meteor to

708
00:27:24,194 --> 00:27:25,954
Speaker 1: wear around her neck and a necklace to kind of

709
00:27:25,954 --> 00:27:29,034
Speaker 1: symbolize them becoming a family, which is really beautiful, and

710
00:27:29,034 --> 00:27:33,034
Speaker 1: that necklace means everything to her. But obviously Kryptonite Superman

711
00:27:33,434 --> 00:27:37,034
Speaker 1: Clark Kent can't be around that stone, so every time

712
00:27:37,074 --> 00:27:39,034
Speaker 1: she's wearing it, he gets sick and has to stay

713
00:27:39,034 --> 00:27:41,914
Speaker 1: away from her. But it's like her most prized possession.

714
00:27:42,114 --> 00:27:43,314
Speaker 2: Does she wear it like every day?

715
00:27:43,394 --> 00:27:45,074
Speaker 1: Yeah? Every day? Oh what? Yeah?

716
00:27:45,114 --> 00:27:45,994
Speaker 2: Now he gets sick a lot.

717
00:27:46,114 --> 00:27:48,194
Speaker 1: Yeah. But the thing is, that's the thing is like

718
00:27:48,194 --> 00:27:50,354
Speaker 1: this extra It's like they've been kept apart by like

719
00:27:50,634 --> 00:27:52,874
Speaker 1: his identity and who he is, but they're also being

720
00:27:52,914 --> 00:27:55,514
Speaker 1: kept physically apart by the necklace, and I can't tell

721
00:27:55,514 --> 00:27:57,194
Speaker 1: you how freaking romantic I thought that was.

722
00:27:57,394 --> 00:27:59,914
Speaker 2: Wait, so if they kissed, cheers to take it off.

723
00:28:00,234 --> 00:28:02,114
Speaker 1: Well no, no, they don't get together until she finds out

724
00:28:02,194 --> 00:28:04,554
Speaker 1: that he has powers. But for the first few seasons.

725
00:28:04,554 --> 00:28:06,674
Speaker 1: And this is the thing about this is why I

726
00:28:06,674 --> 00:28:09,754
Speaker 1: love a lot series ten seasons, twenty two to twenty

727
00:28:09,754 --> 00:28:12,513
Speaker 1: five episodes a season. Is by the time they get together,

728
00:28:12,634 --> 00:28:15,554
Speaker 1: they're three or four years into this twenty two episodes,

729
00:28:15,594 --> 00:28:18,074
Speaker 1: like they have you know, you've been in the trenches

730
00:28:18,114 --> 00:28:20,914
Speaker 1: with them. The build up is always the best bit.

731
00:28:21,114 --> 00:28:21,834
Speaker 1: That thing about the.

732
00:28:21,794 --> 00:28:24,194
Speaker 3: Media kind of reminds me of X Men, where there's

733
00:28:24,194 --> 00:28:26,274
Speaker 3: the character who if she touches people they die.

734
00:28:26,554 --> 00:28:28,874
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, they have a mutant like that in Okay

735
00:28:28,914 --> 00:28:30,194
Speaker 1: every mute you can think of they have.

736
00:28:30,434 --> 00:28:31,674
Speaker 2: We can watch Mutant of the Week.

737
00:28:31,834 --> 00:28:33,554
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my god, I'd be into that. But there's

738
00:28:33,554 --> 00:28:35,954
Speaker 1: one thing where she's so frantic that she's lost her

739
00:28:35,994 --> 00:28:38,594
Speaker 1: necklace and Clark finds it and he's going to put

740
00:28:38,634 --> 00:28:40,154
Speaker 1: it back in this like metal box so we can

741
00:28:40,154 --> 00:28:41,674
Speaker 1: give it back to her. But then he's also torn

742
00:28:41,714 --> 00:28:44,194
Speaker 1: of like, oh, I love this girl and this means

743
00:28:44,194 --> 00:28:45,794
Speaker 1: so much to her, But I could also get rid

744
00:28:45,834 --> 00:28:49,634
Speaker 1: of this and like and then we could be much

745
00:28:49,634 --> 00:28:51,394
Speaker 1: easier for us to be together because I get sick

746
00:28:51,434 --> 00:28:52,874
Speaker 1: every time around her. But he gives it back to

747
00:28:52,914 --> 00:28:54,194
Speaker 1: her because it means so much.

748
00:28:53,994 --> 00:28:55,554
Speaker 2: When we say sick, like how sick?

749
00:28:55,794 --> 00:28:58,874
Speaker 1: Oh? Like it's weak like so he's Superman. He no, no,

750
00:28:59,234 --> 00:29:03,354
Speaker 1: he doesn't start sneazing. Okay, like he crumples to the ground. Agony. Okay,

751
00:29:03,874 --> 00:29:09,154
Speaker 1: I get it now, But anyone who knows less about Superman,

752
00:29:09,274 --> 00:29:11,754
Speaker 1: that's really stressful. But it's also a big thing of

753
00:29:11,794 --> 00:29:13,994
Speaker 1: it because like no one in his life knows except

754
00:29:13,994 --> 00:29:17,594
Speaker 1: his parents, and then his best friends slowly find out,

755
00:29:18,234 --> 00:29:20,554
Speaker 1: and then Lana is like very much the last one

756
00:29:20,554 --> 00:29:22,714
Speaker 1: of everyone to find out. And so that's the major

757
00:29:22,754 --> 00:29:25,354
Speaker 1: obstacle with them getting together is him always having to

758
00:29:25,394 --> 00:29:28,194
Speaker 1: lie about who he really is to protect her.

759
00:29:28,514 --> 00:29:30,354
Speaker 3: And there's nothing that he could wear, sorry, back to

760
00:29:30,354 --> 00:29:33,554
Speaker 3: the neck. There's nothing that he could wear to not

761
00:29:33,594 --> 00:29:35,234
Speaker 3: get sick. Like you know how they have like Vervain

762
00:29:35,354 --> 00:29:38,074
Speaker 3: and Vampire. Yeah, there's nothing like a protective thing he

763
00:29:38,074 --> 00:29:38,474
Speaker 3: can have.

764
00:29:38,714 --> 00:29:40,554
Speaker 1: So I think it's iron that stops it. But he

765
00:29:40,594 --> 00:29:45,034
Speaker 1: can't walk around an iron soup that kind of iron

766
00:29:46,314 --> 00:29:49,274
Speaker 1: the metal and it's not the medium. Yeah, it's like it.

767
00:29:49,434 --> 00:29:51,514
Speaker 1: So there's different types of kryptonite. We don't have time

768
00:29:51,554 --> 00:29:54,514
Speaker 1: for this, but like green makes him sick, red makes

769
00:29:54,554 --> 00:29:57,194
Speaker 1: him crazy. It's a whole thing. Okay, So yeah, I

770
00:29:57,194 --> 00:29:59,434
Speaker 1: mean that's like, again, ten years of my life on

771
00:29:59,474 --> 00:30:03,954
Speaker 1: this show on No Regrets. I wish I could go

772
00:30:03,994 --> 00:30:05,794
Speaker 1: back and watch that for the first time again. But yeah,

773
00:30:05,794 --> 00:30:08,834
Speaker 1: out of all the superhero loves stories out there, and

774
00:30:08,834 --> 00:30:11,634
Speaker 1: there are so many on TV where the lead has

775
00:30:11,674 --> 00:30:13,874
Speaker 1: to keep their identity a secret from the person they're

776
00:30:13,874 --> 00:30:17,314
Speaker 1: in love with to protect them, this is probably my favorite.

777
00:30:17,354 --> 00:30:19,514
Speaker 1: And no, they don't end up together obviously because he

778
00:30:19,554 --> 00:30:21,114
Speaker 1: has to end up with Lowis Layne, and yes, then

779
00:30:21,154 --> 00:30:23,154
Speaker 1: he keeps a secret identity from her as well. It's

780
00:30:23,194 --> 00:30:25,594
Speaker 1: like he really doesn't have a necklace then, yeah, exactly,

781
00:30:25,594 --> 00:30:27,074
Speaker 1: you're really crop from that necklace. But it is an

782
00:30:27,114 --> 00:30:29,434
Speaker 1: important part. I'll show you clips after this. It's really romantic.

783
00:30:29,674 --> 00:30:33,594
Speaker 1: But that was my original watching a couple like be

784
00:30:33,674 --> 00:30:35,874
Speaker 1: kept apart by a secret and that being the core

785
00:30:35,914 --> 00:30:38,114
Speaker 1: of their robands. If anyone hasn't watched small Ville, it's

786
00:30:38,154 --> 00:30:40,834
Speaker 1: just come in a whole bunch of streamers. It's ten seasons,

787
00:30:40,874 --> 00:30:42,474
Speaker 1: but they will fly by, so good.

788
00:30:42,674 --> 00:30:45,154
Speaker 3: Okay, So my last one is my cozy one. Okay,

789
00:30:45,194 --> 00:30:47,594
Speaker 3: and I feel like this whole secret love trope. So

790
00:30:47,634 --> 00:30:50,554
Speaker 3: many sitcoms use that as an ongoing thing over sometimes,

791
00:30:50,634 --> 00:30:52,994
Speaker 3: you know, multiple episodes, multiple seasons. We see it in

792
00:30:52,994 --> 00:30:55,074
Speaker 3: shows like Parks and Reck, How I'm At Your Mother,

793
00:30:55,154 --> 00:30:57,274
Speaker 3: Big Bang Theory, all of them. But I think we

794
00:30:57,354 --> 00:30:59,714
Speaker 3: have to talk about the well to me, the OG one.

795
00:30:59,714 --> 00:31:01,354
Speaker 3: I'm sure there's once before this, but the one that

796
00:31:01,394 --> 00:31:04,114
Speaker 3: I first think of is Monica and Chandler and Friends.

797
00:31:04,394 --> 00:31:07,154
Speaker 1: Yes, okay. It's funny because before this you said, I

798
00:31:07,154 --> 00:31:08,674
Speaker 1: don't want to saything too basic, and we.

799
00:31:08,674 --> 00:31:11,194
Speaker 2: Know I was saving my basic one. I was allowing

800
00:31:11,234 --> 00:31:12,034
Speaker 2: myself one base.

801
00:31:12,074 --> 00:31:13,874
Speaker 1: You're fine, You're fine, because I was. I had that

802
00:31:13,954 --> 00:31:15,554
Speaker 1: on my list and I was like, no, I do that,

803
00:31:15,634 --> 00:31:16,314
Speaker 1: but I'm glad.

804
00:31:16,514 --> 00:31:16,794
Speaker 2: Sorry.

805
00:31:16,874 --> 00:31:18,714
Speaker 3: Last week when we did the Galaentinees app, you were like,

806
00:31:19,314 --> 00:31:20,954
Speaker 3: I wouldn't do eat pray last.

807
00:31:21,074 --> 00:31:25,074
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's really I just not anything that I cross

808
00:31:25,074 --> 00:31:27,154
Speaker 1: off my list is what you'll bring. But you know what,

809
00:31:27,714 --> 00:31:29,954
Speaker 1: this is a good one because the stakes could not

810
00:31:29,994 --> 00:31:32,514
Speaker 1: have been higher in a comedy like that for keeping

811
00:31:32,554 --> 00:31:35,674
Speaker 1: a romance secret, because it not only was her brother involved,

812
00:31:35,954 --> 00:31:38,274
Speaker 1: but it also could have destroyed the fabric of the group,

813
00:31:38,274 --> 00:31:39,274
Speaker 1: which is the entire show.

814
00:31:39,354 --> 00:31:40,474
Speaker 2: And then who would they have coffee with?

815
00:31:40,674 --> 00:31:43,394
Speaker 3: Yeah, so obviously it all starts with the unexpected one

816
00:31:43,434 --> 00:31:46,154
Speaker 3: night stand of Ross's wedding in London, and we see

817
00:31:46,194 --> 00:31:48,794
Speaker 3: that iconic scene where she pops out from under the sheet,

818
00:31:48,954 --> 00:31:51,194
Speaker 3: and then half of season five is pretty much them

819
00:31:51,234 --> 00:31:55,154
Speaker 3: sneaking around apartments, hiding in bathtubs, hiding in cupboards, roping

820
00:31:55,194 --> 00:31:57,594
Speaker 3: poor Joey who looks so perplexed every.

821
00:31:57,394 --> 00:31:58,754
Speaker 2: Time he's still lie for them.

822
00:31:59,074 --> 00:32:01,434
Speaker 3: And then you get to that iconic escalation of where

823
00:32:01,474 --> 00:32:03,234
Speaker 3: they have the episode where they all go they don't

824
00:32:03,314 --> 00:32:05,314
Speaker 3: know that we know that, they know that we know,

825
00:32:05,514 --> 00:32:08,674
Speaker 3: And I love that episode. So Phoebe obviously spots them

826
00:32:08,674 --> 00:32:11,154
Speaker 3: through the window at Central Perk, Rachel finds out by

827
00:32:11,154 --> 00:32:13,954
Speaker 3: overhearing them on the phone. Ross has that iconic moment

828
00:32:13,994 --> 00:32:16,354
Speaker 3: where he sees them across from the window of his

829
00:32:16,394 --> 00:32:19,074
Speaker 3: apartment block. There's all these different things that happen, and

830
00:32:19,114 --> 00:32:22,434
Speaker 3: I love that episode where Chandler and Monica are kissing,

831
00:32:22,554 --> 00:32:24,554
Speaker 3: and then Rachel and Phoebe walk in and he just

832
00:32:24,594 --> 00:32:26,234
Speaker 3: then starts making out with He made them.

833
00:32:26,314 --> 00:32:28,394
Speaker 1: It's so funny everything about that, because that was really

834
00:32:28,474 --> 00:32:30,154
Speaker 1: high stakes for the show. They went back and forth

835
00:32:30,154 --> 00:32:32,714
Speaker 1: whether to do it or not because when Friends was

836
00:32:32,714 --> 00:32:36,194
Speaker 1: first conceptualized, they always thought that Monica and Joey you

837
00:32:36,234 --> 00:32:38,714
Speaker 1: would have a fling through the first few seasons. And

838
00:32:38,874 --> 00:32:40,754
Speaker 1: I think it's so interesting that Matt la Blanc was

839
00:32:40,754 --> 00:32:42,914
Speaker 1: the actor who was like no, He was like, you

840
00:32:42,954 --> 00:32:45,034
Speaker 1: can't do that to my character. My character will be hated.

841
00:32:45,074 --> 00:32:46,874
Speaker 1: You guys got to write me off. And he has

842
00:32:46,874 --> 00:32:48,634
Speaker 1: said this, Matt la Blank has said to the writers,

843
00:32:48,874 --> 00:32:52,114
Speaker 1: he's like, Joey's girl crazy for everyone, but these three women.

844
00:32:52,154 --> 00:32:54,954
Speaker 1: Obviously there's that Rachel's story later on, but everyone, even

845
00:32:54,954 --> 00:32:57,394
Speaker 1: the actors, hated that, so that didn't happen. But when

846
00:32:57,394 --> 00:32:59,914
Speaker 1: you're talking about that Monica and Chandler popping up in

847
00:32:59,994 --> 00:33:03,474
Speaker 1: bed scene in the London episodes, that is crazy, like

848
00:33:03,514 --> 00:33:05,554
Speaker 1: the reaction to that because they had it filmed in

849
00:33:05,554 --> 00:33:08,074
Speaker 1: front of a live studio audience and no one in

850
00:33:08,114 --> 00:33:10,554
Speaker 1: the audience knew, like they had the screen covered when

851
00:33:10,554 --> 00:33:12,234
Speaker 1: they got under the covers, so no one knew they

852
00:33:12,234 --> 00:33:14,914
Speaker 1: were there, and normally for an audience reaction like that,

853
00:33:14,954 --> 00:33:16,474
Speaker 1: even for like a comedy like this, they have what's

854
00:33:16,474 --> 00:33:19,394
Speaker 1: called audience pumpers, and so before the audience comes out,

855
00:33:19,434 --> 00:33:21,314
Speaker 1: they get them warmed up, and they also say to them,

856
00:33:21,354 --> 00:33:24,754
Speaker 1: like while they're filming, like Friends live on stage, they

857
00:33:24,754 --> 00:33:28,194
Speaker 1: have people going like, scream more, clap, do this. And

858
00:33:28,434 --> 00:33:30,674
Speaker 1: when Monica and Chandler popped out of that bed for

859
00:33:30,714 --> 00:33:32,754
Speaker 1: the first time, they didn't have to say a thing

860
00:33:33,114 --> 00:33:35,274
Speaker 1: like you can hear it in the episode. The audience

861
00:33:35,354 --> 00:33:39,034
Speaker 1: scream is so loud and they couldn't get the audience

862
00:33:39,034 --> 00:33:40,474
Speaker 1: to stop there kind of like okay, stop now, like

863
00:33:40,514 --> 00:33:42,194
Speaker 1: we gotta keep going with the scene, and they couldn't.

864
00:33:42,194 --> 00:33:45,194
Speaker 1: They were so like overcome with it, And the actors

865
00:33:45,234 --> 00:33:46,914
Speaker 1: have said that was them. They didn't realize till that

866
00:33:46,954 --> 00:33:49,314
Speaker 1: moment how good it was, how much people were going

867
00:33:49,354 --> 00:33:50,874
Speaker 1: to care, and how that was going to become like

868
00:33:50,914 --> 00:33:53,554
Speaker 1: the foundation of the show. So every time I because

869
00:33:53,594 --> 00:33:55,434
Speaker 1: I love to rewatch Friends, it's like a comfort watch.

870
00:33:55,514 --> 00:33:57,714
Speaker 1: I know everyone does, yes, So I still watch that

871
00:33:57,754 --> 00:33:59,514
Speaker 1: scene over and over again. Every time I watched it,

872
00:33:59,514 --> 00:34:01,994
Speaker 1: I get goosebumps just knowing that TV history was being

873
00:34:01,994 --> 00:34:03,914
Speaker 1: made in that moment, well that had me went on.

874
00:34:03,834 --> 00:34:05,874
Speaker 3: For like thirty seconds, which doesn't maybe sound like a lot,

875
00:34:05,874 --> 00:34:07,514
Speaker 3: but in the context of filming a show, that would

876
00:34:07,514 --> 00:34:08,034
Speaker 3: be a long time.

877
00:34:07,914 --> 00:34:09,473
Speaker 1: And they're yelling at them like okay, shut up, now,

878
00:34:09,473 --> 00:34:10,993
Speaker 1: shut up, and they just they could it. They got it.

879
00:34:11,234 --> 00:34:13,394
Speaker 3: Yeah, And when you were talking about Monica and Joey

880
00:34:13,393 --> 00:34:15,553
Speaker 3: and that plan to end up together in season three,

881
00:34:15,674 --> 00:34:18,834
Speaker 3: they had that flashback episode and that the writers sort

882
00:34:18,834 --> 00:34:21,154
Speaker 3: of used that to test out potential different pairings and

883
00:34:21,394 --> 00:34:23,714
Speaker 3: experiment and see how the audiences would react, and the

884
00:34:23,794 --> 00:34:26,634
Speaker 3: viewers rejected nearly every pairing, and the only one that

885
00:34:26,674 --> 00:34:29,154
Speaker 3: got any real excitement or any interest in it was

886
00:34:29,234 --> 00:34:31,194
Speaker 3: Monica and Chandler. But then they felt like it was

887
00:34:31,194 --> 00:34:32,794
Speaker 3: too early, so they were sort of sitting on that

888
00:34:32,834 --> 00:34:35,194
Speaker 3: storyline for quite a while until it felt like, you know,

889
00:34:35,354 --> 00:34:37,234
Speaker 3: it just sat in the background until the London episode

890
00:34:37,234 --> 00:34:38,554
Speaker 3: when they were like now at the time.

891
00:34:38,354 --> 00:34:38,794
Speaker 2: To do it.

892
00:34:39,194 --> 00:34:41,514
Speaker 3: And also in season five there was meant to be

893
00:34:41,634 --> 00:34:44,393
Speaker 3: a cheating plot line and it was Matthew Perry who

894
00:34:44,394 --> 00:34:46,354
Speaker 3: stepped in and was like, my character wouldn't do that,

895
00:34:46,474 --> 00:34:48,474
Speaker 3: and he was like, the audiences will never forgive me

896
00:34:48,514 --> 00:34:49,913
Speaker 3: and we will never recover from there.

897
00:34:50,034 --> 00:34:52,154
Speaker 2: So fair. Yeah, I mean I wouldn't want to do

898
00:34:52,194 --> 00:34:52,873
Speaker 2: that if I was in that.

899
00:34:53,074 --> 00:34:54,873
Speaker 1: No, that would have changed the fabric of the show

900
00:34:54,874 --> 00:34:56,873
Speaker 1: too much, Like we would never have looked at that

901
00:34:56,914 --> 00:34:59,274
Speaker 1: couple if he cheated on them when they were married. No, absolutely,

902
00:34:59,274 --> 00:35:00,754
Speaker 1: not any time, but especially then.

903
00:35:00,914 --> 00:35:03,634
Speaker 3: Well apparently it was going to be after her lunch

904
00:35:03,674 --> 00:35:06,393
Speaker 3: with her ex Richard when they have that argument and

905
00:35:06,394 --> 00:35:09,314
Speaker 3: they're in vague guess. And the actress Lisa Cash talked

906
00:35:09,314 --> 00:35:12,033
Speaker 3: about this after Matthew Perry passed away, and she said

907
00:35:12,074 --> 00:35:14,474
Speaker 3: the original script had him hitting it off with the

908
00:35:14,474 --> 00:35:17,114
Speaker 3: hotel worker that she played, and then they connect and

909
00:35:17,154 --> 00:35:19,834
Speaker 3: then they cheat, and yeah, he basically went to the

910
00:35:19,834 --> 00:35:21,714
Speaker 3: writers and was like, I really don't want to do this.

911
00:35:21,714 --> 00:35:23,034
Speaker 2: Kind of I guess what matt LeBlanc did.

912
00:35:23,034 --> 00:35:24,954
Speaker 3: I like how intune they are with their characters that

913
00:35:24,954 --> 00:35:26,634
Speaker 3: they go and fight for them in that way. I

914
00:35:26,674 --> 00:35:29,594
Speaker 3: think that's really nice that. Were you always on board

915
00:35:29,634 --> 00:35:30,994
Speaker 3: with Monoca and Chandler.

916
00:35:31,074 --> 00:35:33,074
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was so on board them. I actually think

917
00:35:33,114 --> 00:35:35,554
Speaker 1: the moment where they get engaged is the most romantic

918
00:35:35,554 --> 00:35:37,754
Speaker 1: moment in all of Friends. Like I know, I know

919
00:35:38,154 --> 00:35:40,474
Speaker 1: Ross and Rachel have beautiful moments. I know Phoebe and

920
00:35:40,474 --> 00:35:43,234
Speaker 1: Mike have lovely moments, but that moment where they're kneeling

921
00:35:43,234 --> 00:35:46,034
Speaker 1: together on the floor and they get engaged is probably

922
00:35:46,114 --> 00:35:47,714
Speaker 1: one of the most romantic scenes on TV.

923
00:35:48,034 --> 00:35:49,513
Speaker 3: It really is, and I think there was so much

924
00:35:49,594 --> 00:35:52,114
Speaker 3: Ross and Rachel fatigue by that point as well. So

925
00:35:52,154 --> 00:35:54,674
Speaker 3: by making sort of the b plot secret couple become

926
00:35:54,754 --> 00:35:58,354
Speaker 3: the main safe, emotional, stable and game love story, I

927
00:35:58,434 --> 00:36:00,953
Speaker 3: really liked that transition, and also I wanted to end

928
00:36:00,994 --> 00:36:02,314
Speaker 3: because I brought you to this.

929
00:36:02,674 --> 00:36:04,953
Speaker 2: Yeah it did, as it not brought you, but brought

930
00:36:04,954 --> 00:36:05,834
Speaker 2: the shows you to this.

931
00:36:05,874 --> 00:36:07,714
Speaker 3: I thought I needed to, you know, have my last

932
00:36:07,714 --> 00:36:10,194
Speaker 3: one be a secret romance for a pure reason, and

933
00:36:10,234 --> 00:36:11,953
Speaker 3: that they didn't want to destroy the friend group.

934
00:36:12,194 --> 00:36:13,994
Speaker 1: Well, they didn't want to change the fabric of it. Well,

935
00:36:14,034 --> 00:36:15,754
Speaker 1: both of the other examples you bought are quite creepy

936
00:36:15,754 --> 00:36:17,433
Speaker 1: and problematic. So I like that you've kind of got

937
00:36:17,434 --> 00:36:18,433
Speaker 1: this in at the end of like.

938
00:36:18,394 --> 00:36:19,794
Speaker 2: It's fine, I'm comfort circle.

939
00:36:19,834 --> 00:36:22,234
Speaker 3: I've brought it back to wholesome, you know, once everyone

940
00:36:22,274 --> 00:36:24,794
Speaker 3: finds out it get stronger, they get married, they have babies,

941
00:36:24,874 --> 00:36:27,473
Speaker 3: and yeah, I think it's just a really beautiful love

942
00:36:27,514 --> 00:36:29,354
Speaker 3: story that just had to be secret for a little while.

943
00:36:29,914 --> 00:36:32,074
Speaker 1: Okay, I guess I have to do this one. Now.

944
00:36:33,154 --> 00:36:35,354
Speaker 1: You said you never bring up Yeah, the other ones

945
00:36:35,394 --> 00:36:38,114
Speaker 1: I talk about all the time. Yeah, okay. So I've

946
00:36:38,114 --> 00:36:40,754
Speaker 1: become very obsessed with the show recently. In the last

947
00:36:40,754 --> 00:36:43,674
Speaker 1: two months, I've watched seven seasons. Now, you know my

948
00:36:43,714 --> 00:36:45,473
Speaker 1: TV watching schedule, I didn't have time for that.

949
00:36:45,554 --> 00:36:46,434
Speaker 2: You don't have time for that.

950
00:36:46,634 --> 00:36:48,834
Speaker 1: I've been watching it into the wee hours of the night.

951
00:36:48,874 --> 00:36:51,154
Speaker 1: I've been got leading events sometimes to go home and

952
00:36:51,754 --> 00:36:54,434
Speaker 1: for going social interactions seeing my friends.

953
00:36:54,514 --> 00:36:57,154
Speaker 2: We did leave an event early recently. Maybe you're going

954
00:36:57,194 --> 00:36:57,914
Speaker 2: home to watch it.

955
00:36:59,594 --> 00:37:02,434
Speaker 1: And okay, it's not the kind of show I would

956
00:37:02,514 --> 00:37:05,274
Speaker 1: ever one I would never normally watch, I would never

957
00:37:05,314 --> 00:37:08,994
Speaker 1: talk about in this podcast I try. Also, it's also

958
00:37:09,154 --> 00:37:11,074
Speaker 1: just like it's a very popular show, but it's not

959
00:37:11,114 --> 00:37:12,913
Speaker 1: in the zeitgeist the way we would talk about it here.

960
00:37:12,954 --> 00:37:15,914
Speaker 1: And it's called The Rookie. Have you heard of this? No, okay,

961
00:37:15,914 --> 00:37:19,714
Speaker 1: it's a TV cop drama, y right, that has now

962
00:37:19,834 --> 00:37:21,794
Speaker 1: been on the air for eight years and I'm only

963
00:37:21,834 --> 00:37:24,194
Speaker 1: a recent convert. But it's I don't believe it's hugely

964
00:37:24,234 --> 00:37:27,354
Speaker 1: big in Australia. It's on Disney Plus. So my gateway

965
00:37:27,394 --> 00:37:30,154
Speaker 1: for this show about cops in LA. Why would I

966
00:37:30,154 --> 00:37:32,594
Speaker 1: be watching that. I don't like police shows. I don't

967
00:37:32,674 --> 00:37:34,873
Speaker 1: like procedurals. I don't like crime. It's pretty loud on

968
00:37:34,874 --> 00:37:37,634
Speaker 1: the crime. Okay, nothing about this show appealed to me.

969
00:37:37,954 --> 00:37:40,634
Speaker 1: But one day I just needed something. It was a

970
00:37:40,674 --> 00:37:42,514
Speaker 1: Sunday engineer and I had I'd watched a bunch of

971
00:37:42,554 --> 00:37:44,953
Speaker 1: stuff for work TV that I hated. I picked up

972
00:37:44,954 --> 00:37:47,073
Speaker 1: my book to read it and I just wasn't into

973
00:37:47,114 --> 00:37:49,314
Speaker 1: it and I was just scrolling through and it popped

974
00:37:49,354 --> 00:37:51,194
Speaker 1: up on Disney Plus. And here's the thing. The lead

975
00:37:51,194 --> 00:37:53,754
Speaker 1: actor of the Rookie is called Nathan Fillium and I.

976
00:37:53,754 --> 00:37:56,914
Speaker 3: Love Sorry Nathan Delina from Castle. Yeah yeah, Castle is

977
00:37:56,954 --> 00:37:59,314
Speaker 3: one of my favorite shows of all time. I watched

978
00:37:59,354 --> 00:38:01,194
Speaker 3: a lot of Castle for him. I never really got

979
00:38:01,234 --> 00:38:03,794
Speaker 3: into Castle. I don't like police shows.

980
00:38:03,794 --> 00:38:05,674
Speaker 2: It's more about the sexy romance. Oh no, no no.

981
00:38:05,714 --> 00:38:07,393
Speaker 1: And I was I was all on board that if

982
00:38:07,394 --> 00:38:08,714
Speaker 1: you like that, you need to watch this show.

983
00:38:08,754 --> 00:38:08,953
Speaker 3: Okay.

984
00:38:08,954 --> 00:38:11,593
Speaker 1: Actually, yeah, if you liked Castle, this is almost very

985
00:38:11,594 --> 00:38:12,474
Speaker 1: similar vibe.

986
00:38:12,514 --> 00:38:15,354
Speaker 3: Okay, get me. Yeah, I have watched every episode of Castle.

987
00:38:15,394 --> 00:38:17,354
Speaker 3: I won't say upwards of ten times, but anyway.

988
00:38:17,154 --> 00:38:19,513
Speaker 1: Oh okay, wow, okay, well then you'll love this show.

989
00:38:19,674 --> 00:38:21,714
Speaker 1: So I watched it for Nathan Fillian, who is part

990
00:38:21,754 --> 00:38:24,874
Speaker 1: of the Buffy cinematic universe. He was actually in Buffy.

991
00:38:24,914 --> 00:38:27,554
Speaker 1: He plays Caleb, the big villain at the end of

992
00:38:27,914 --> 00:38:31,474
Speaker 1: the final season of Buffy. So Joss Whedon created Buffy

993
00:38:31,514 --> 00:38:33,873
Speaker 1: and then Nathan Fillian was on Buffy, and off the

994
00:38:33,914 --> 00:38:36,874
Speaker 1: back of that, he then created a show starring Nathan

995
00:38:36,914 --> 00:38:40,234
Speaker 1: Fillion called Firefly, which is one of my absolute favorite

996
00:38:40,274 --> 00:38:43,154
Speaker 1: favorite shows of all time. He plays mel Raynald. He's

997
00:38:43,154 --> 00:38:45,034
Speaker 1: like rogue captain of a spaceship. It's a whole thing.

998
00:38:45,354 --> 00:38:47,434
Speaker 1: And then they made a movie off that called Serenity,

999
00:38:47,514 --> 00:38:49,913
Speaker 1: which I love as well. And he also was in

1000
00:38:49,954 --> 00:38:52,634
Speaker 1: this music hall that Joss Whedon wrote called Doctor Horrible

1001
00:38:52,634 --> 00:38:56,873
Speaker 1: Singalong Blog, which I love to dance though it's Neil

1002
00:38:56,914 --> 00:38:57,674
Speaker 1: Patrick Harrott.

1003
00:38:58,074 --> 00:38:59,354
Speaker 2: Okay, oh my god.

1004
00:38:59,234 --> 00:39:01,234
Speaker 1: You would like it's a beautiful where he plays a

1005
00:39:01,314 --> 00:39:04,314
Speaker 1: villain and okay, yeah, this is a deep cut of

1006
00:39:04,354 --> 00:39:06,393
Speaker 1: this nerd. I'm such a nerd. I sometimes I know

1007
00:39:06,434 --> 00:39:08,074
Speaker 1: you think I let my dirtiness out of this pod,

1008
00:39:08,074 --> 00:39:09,473
Speaker 1: but I don't I keep it in check. I don't

1009
00:39:09,514 --> 00:39:11,473
Speaker 1: know how you fit all these things in well. I mean,

1010
00:39:11,514 --> 00:39:13,274
Speaker 1: this was all happening when I was a teenager and

1011
00:39:13,314 --> 00:39:15,194
Speaker 1: like BEAUNI and stuff. But to me, honest, I think

1012
00:39:15,194 --> 00:39:16,873
Speaker 1: about it all the time now. And so it was

1013
00:39:16,874 --> 00:39:19,314
Speaker 1: like Neil Patrick Carros, who's like also a Joss Wheden person,

1014
00:39:19,394 --> 00:39:22,234
Speaker 1: Nathan Phillian, Felicia Day, and it's this musical that they

1015
00:39:22,314 --> 00:39:25,314
Speaker 1: made just really low budget but it's incredible. And so

1016
00:39:25,674 --> 00:39:28,274
Speaker 1: Nathan Fillion holds the most special place in my heart.

1017
00:39:28,314 --> 00:39:30,394
Speaker 1: And I just looked at his face on that Disney

1018
00:39:30,394 --> 00:39:32,754
Speaker 1: Plus screen and I thought, I hate the show, but

1019
00:39:32,794 --> 00:39:34,594
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm going to give it a go because

1020
00:39:34,594 --> 00:39:35,474
Speaker 1: it's Nathan Fillian.

1021
00:39:35,754 --> 00:39:36,433
Speaker 2: I support him.

1022
00:39:36,554 --> 00:39:38,794
Speaker 3: To support him, how you dont him to that fun

1023
00:39:38,874 --> 00:39:40,714
Speaker 3: going fun to be or such a giver to the yle.

1024
00:39:41,994 --> 00:39:42,514
Speaker 2: This is what I mean.

1025
00:39:42,554 --> 00:39:44,274
Speaker 1: People who are my favorite TV shows. This is why

1026
00:39:44,274 --> 00:39:45,993
Speaker 1: I don't interview them because like it's like their other

1027
00:39:46,034 --> 00:39:48,594
Speaker 1: worldly to me. So I started watching it, and Nathan

1028
00:39:48,634 --> 00:39:52,274
Speaker 1: Fillion plays a man who's in his late forties. He's

1029
00:39:52,314 --> 00:39:54,674
Speaker 1: just gotten divorced, his teenage son has like moved out

1030
00:39:54,674 --> 00:39:56,474
Speaker 1: of home and he doesn't know what to do with

1031
00:39:56,514 --> 00:39:58,034
Speaker 1: his life. And then he's in a bank and the

1032
00:39:58,034 --> 00:40:00,873
Speaker 1: bank gets robbed and he stops the bankrobber, and he's like,

1033
00:40:00,874 --> 00:40:02,794
Speaker 1: I'm going to be a police officer. That is my

1034
00:40:02,834 --> 00:40:05,594
Speaker 1: life calling. I'm about to turn fifty. That's not when

1035
00:40:05,634 --> 00:40:07,474
Speaker 1: you become a police officer, obviously.

1036
00:40:07,194 --> 00:40:08,594
Speaker 2: So this happens to him a lot in shows.

1037
00:40:10,194 --> 00:40:12,953
Speaker 1: And so then he moves to LA because apparently in LA,

1038
00:40:13,034 --> 00:40:14,553
Speaker 1: I don't can I just say, I know so much

1039
00:40:14,594 --> 00:40:17,394
Speaker 1: about the Los Angeles Police Force now, literally ask me anything.

1040
00:40:17,554 --> 00:40:18,994
Speaker 1: Ask me what they packed for a day, asked me

1041
00:40:19,034 --> 00:40:20,433
Speaker 1: what the cars are called, ask me what they call

1042
00:40:20,514 --> 00:40:22,754
Speaker 1: different ranks. I know everything because I've watched so much

1043
00:40:22,794 --> 00:40:23,274
Speaker 1: of this show.

1044
00:40:23,554 --> 00:40:24,473
Speaker 2: So you won't have a career.

1045
00:40:25,154 --> 00:40:27,074
Speaker 1: I'll be a police officer. And so he moved to

1046
00:40:27,194 --> 00:40:29,034
Speaker 1: LA because that it's the only place after forty you

1047
00:40:29,034 --> 00:40:31,274
Speaker 1: can roll in the police force. And he becomes a

1048
00:40:31,434 --> 00:40:34,033
Speaker 1: rookie cop. That's what's called the rookie. So it's seven

1049
00:40:34,114 --> 00:40:36,754
Speaker 1: seasons deep in this now. And why I love the

1050
00:40:36,794 --> 00:40:39,433
Speaker 1: show is it's a massive cast of characters, and I

1051
00:40:39,434 --> 00:40:42,114
Speaker 1: love an ensemble show. So I came for Nathan Fillion,

1052
00:40:42,474 --> 00:40:44,634
Speaker 1: and now I stay for the entire cast who I'm

1053
00:40:44,794 --> 00:40:48,034
Speaker 1: so obsessed with, stayed for the LAPD. I stayed for

1054
00:40:48,074 --> 00:40:50,794
Speaker 1: the inner workings of the LAPD. But there is a

1055
00:40:50,874 --> 00:40:54,354
Speaker 1: romance in the show. Nathan Fillian has a great romance

1056
00:40:54,394 --> 00:40:56,674
Speaker 1: on the show, but it's not a secret so he

1057
00:40:57,074 --> 00:40:59,593
Speaker 1: his wife on the show is played by Jenna Duan,

1058
00:40:59,714 --> 00:41:01,913
Speaker 1: who you would know from Step Up. Yes, she is

1059
00:41:01,994 --> 00:41:04,274
Speaker 1: great in this, but it's not about them, because they're

1060
00:41:04,274 --> 00:41:06,434
Speaker 1: not a secret romance that you should watch it for

1061
00:41:06,434 --> 00:41:08,674
Speaker 1: them because you would like But the secret romance is

1062
00:41:08,674 --> 00:41:12,034
Speaker 1: between two other police officers. So Lucy Chen joins at

1063
00:41:12,034 --> 00:41:14,913
Speaker 1: the same time as Nathan Fillian's character, and she's also

1064
00:41:14,954 --> 00:41:17,154
Speaker 1: a rookie. And when you're a rookie, you get match

1065
00:41:17,194 --> 00:41:19,834
Speaker 1: with a training officer who like looks after you for

1066
00:41:19,874 --> 00:41:21,913
Speaker 1: your first year, teaches you and is like, really, you

1067
00:41:21,954 --> 00:41:23,834
Speaker 1: know you're either gonna walk out here are you gonna

1068
00:41:23,834 --> 00:41:25,354
Speaker 1: be the best police officer ever? It's kind of like

1069
00:41:25,354 --> 00:41:27,954
Speaker 1: that vibe. And she gets matched with Tim Bradford, who's

1070
00:41:27,954 --> 00:41:31,154
Speaker 1: like a former soldier. You would love him, so moody,

1071
00:41:31,394 --> 00:41:35,194
Speaker 1: so broody, so intense, so intense, and she's like fun

1072
00:41:35,234 --> 00:41:39,393
Speaker 1: and quirky and stuff and they over many years because

1073
00:41:39,434 --> 00:41:41,354
Speaker 1: the shows like we're in season eight now season eight

1074
00:41:41,394 --> 00:41:43,194
Speaker 1: some am Australia, yet I will be taking the week

1075
00:41:43,194 --> 00:41:43,834
Speaker 1: off when it comes.

1076
00:41:43,754 --> 00:41:44,873
Speaker 2: Out viewing party.

1077
00:41:45,754 --> 00:41:47,913
Speaker 1: It's the sloburn. I never thought I would have this

1078
00:41:47,994 --> 00:41:50,274
Speaker 1: again in my lifetime because the shows don't happen like

1079
00:41:50,314 --> 00:41:50,594
Speaker 1: this now.

1080
00:41:50,794 --> 00:41:52,234
Speaker 2: They always end after a couple of seasons.

1081
00:41:52,394 --> 00:41:54,953
Speaker 1: It's very much like, oh, here's five episodes and they're

1082
00:41:54,954 --> 00:41:56,873
Speaker 1: all on Netflix and they're coming out tonight, and you

1083
00:41:56,914 --> 00:41:58,514
Speaker 1: watched him in one co And as much as I

1084
00:41:58,554 --> 00:42:00,714
Speaker 1: love shows like that, there's no build up, there's no

1085
00:42:00,794 --> 00:42:03,513
Speaker 1: slow burn, there's no yearning, there's no like will they

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00:42:03,554 --> 00:42:06,553
Speaker 1: won't they, which we love, there's no enemies to lover

1087
00:42:06,634 --> 00:42:08,993
Speaker 1: is be? It all happened so quickly, and I thought

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00:42:08,994 --> 00:42:11,154
Speaker 1: that these kind of shows were over for me, but

1089
00:42:11,234 --> 00:42:14,274
Speaker 1: I forgot about really old school network TV that gets

1090
00:42:14,274 --> 00:42:17,834
Speaker 1: syndicated on Disney Plus. So it took seven years for

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00:42:17,874 --> 00:42:19,634
Speaker 1: the build up of where they are now, which I've

1092
00:42:19,634 --> 00:42:21,754
Speaker 1: watched in the last few months. Okay, And so they

1093
00:42:21,834 --> 00:42:24,594
Speaker 1: like slowly go from like rookie to training officer, very

1094
00:42:24,594 --> 00:42:28,033
Speaker 1: begrudgingly kind of start to work together. You can tell

1095
00:42:28,034 --> 00:42:29,913
Speaker 1: they're in love for so long, but they're dating other

1096
00:42:29,954 --> 00:42:32,154
Speaker 1: people and then they also then they discover they actually

1097
00:42:32,194 --> 00:42:33,914
Speaker 1: can't be together because he's still her superior.

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00:42:33,994 --> 00:42:35,114
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say power and balance.

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00:42:35,194 --> 00:42:37,314
Speaker 1: Yeah, the power and balance is a huge thing. But

1100
00:42:37,354 --> 00:42:39,554
Speaker 1: then he like gives up his like dream career to

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00:42:39,594 --> 00:42:41,514
Speaker 1: be You're gonna cry you you would actually love this

1102
00:42:41,554 --> 00:42:43,913
Speaker 1: show so okay, and I'm only just skirting over the

1103
00:42:43,914 --> 00:42:46,354
Speaker 1: surface level. Gives up his dream career so that she

1104
00:42:46,394 --> 00:42:48,794
Speaker 1: can like they can be together but and she can

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00:42:48,794 --> 00:42:51,354
Speaker 1: still have her career. And then they break up, they

1106
00:42:51,394 --> 00:42:53,034
Speaker 1: get back together, and when they get back together a

1107
00:42:53,074 --> 00:42:55,194
Speaker 1: second time, he's back being her boss. They have to

1108
00:42:55,274 --> 00:42:57,594
Speaker 1: keep it a real secret. It's this whole thing of

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00:42:57,874 --> 00:43:01,513
Speaker 1: I love a workplace. For a secretive workplace romance where

1110
00:43:01,514 --> 00:43:04,754
Speaker 1: they're also stopping killers is just yet that at our work,

1111
00:43:04,834 --> 00:43:06,073
Speaker 1: I know, we never stop any.

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00:43:06,034 --> 00:43:07,714
Speaker 2: Killers and there, and there's no.

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00:43:07,794 --> 00:43:09,393
Speaker 1: One to have a secret romance here. That is my

1114
00:43:09,434 --> 00:43:11,874
Speaker 1: one critique. If I'm a Mia where the secret romances

1115
00:43:12,074 --> 00:43:15,674
Speaker 1: no Nathani, no Nathan Fillian. So yeah, Lucy Chen and

1116
00:43:15,714 --> 00:43:18,474
Speaker 1: Tim Bradford, that's the things is my new Like I

1117
00:43:18,514 --> 00:43:20,794
Speaker 1: love everything about the show, but watching this secret love

1118
00:43:20,834 --> 00:43:24,314
Speaker 1: story has been just such a such a joy for

1119
00:43:24,354 --> 00:43:25,394
Speaker 1: me the last few months.

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Speaker 3: Okay, of all the ones you've said, I think this

1121
00:43:27,114 --> 00:43:28,754
Speaker 3: one does sound like a me kind of show and

1122
00:43:28,794 --> 00:43:30,034
Speaker 3: I do love supporting Nathan.

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00:43:30,194 --> 00:43:32,433
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, No, No, you would love this show. You

1124
00:43:32,434 --> 00:43:34,794
Speaker 1: should watch it. And again there's I'm not ashamed of it.

1125
00:43:34,794 --> 00:43:36,794
Speaker 1: It's just it's on a chic show, you know what

1126
00:43:36,794 --> 00:43:36,954
Speaker 1: I mean.

1127
00:43:37,034 --> 00:43:38,634
Speaker 2: I want you to talk about it.

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00:43:38,674 --> 00:43:40,514
Speaker 1: I wasn't going to mention it, but we have to.

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00:43:40,874 --> 00:43:42,993
Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much for listening to this spill today.

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Speaker 3: If you're enjoying what you're hearing, please leave us a

1131
00:43:45,394 --> 00:43:47,554
Speaker 3: rating and a review or a comment. It'll just take

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00:43:47,594 --> 00:43:49,354
Speaker 3: you a second and it really helps us bring you

1133
00:43:49,394 --> 00:43:51,834
Speaker 3: the best content we can. Plus, our morning dose of

1134
00:43:51,994 --> 00:43:54,154
Speaker 3: entertainment news at morning Tea will drop right here in

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00:43:54,234 --> 00:43:56,634
Speaker 3: the speed on Monday morning at seven, so make sure

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00:43:56,634 --> 00:43:58,314
Speaker 3: you're following so you don't miss a thing.

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Speaker 1: Bye bye, Mamma. Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land.

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Speaker 1: We have recorded this podcast on the Gadigal people of

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Speaker 1: the Oronation. We pay our respects to their elders past

1140
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Speaker 1: and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and

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Speaker 1: Torres Strait islander cultures