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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Sees the Yay Podcast. Busy and happy,

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Speaker 1: but tired and worn, just some of the feelings when

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Speaker 1: but everyone goes through the same hopes and fears. So

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Speaker 1: this is a segment we hope helps you feel supported

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Speaker 1: and valid. The mum juggles real, the good, bad, the ugly,

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Speaker 1: the best and worst day. It's part of the journey

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Speaker 1: to seize the Babe. I'm Sarah Davidson, a lawyer turned

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Speaker 1: entrepreneur who hung up the suits and heels to co

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Speaker 1: found Macha Maiden, a Macha Milk Bar, become a TV

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Speaker 1: and radio presenter, and of course host The Sees the

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Speaker 1: Ya Podcast. This year, I added motherhood to that list,

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Speaker 1: which is the best job I've ever had with our

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Speaker 1: beautiful baby Teddy, and this segment was designed to house

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Speaker 1: all the conversations we've been having about parenthood. We'll still

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Speaker 1: do our regular episodes, and just like real life, it's

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Speaker 1: a constant balance between our parent identity and everything else.

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Speaker 1: I hope you guys enjoy this segment as much as

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Speaker 1: I have enjoyed creating it. Welcome to a very hotly

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Speaker 1: awaited episode of Seize the Baby, and by hotly awaited,

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Speaker 1: I mean we had so many submitted questions from you guys,

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Speaker 1: but possibly even more came up in my own brain,

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Speaker 1: so this is a bit of a selfish episode as well.

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Speaker 1: Pretty Much every area of parenting is overwhelming, sometimes confusing,

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Speaker 1: energy intensive, but I think starting solids is right up

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Speaker 1: there at the top of that list in the early days,

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Speaker 1: so it's one of the first topics I wanted to cover,

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Speaker 1: and after a few false starts in recording, we finally

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Speaker 1: got there. Most of you also follow along on socials,

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Speaker 1: so you'll probably already have heard about Nourishing Bubs and

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Speaker 1: how game changing has been for Teddy's introduction to solids.

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Speaker 1: But if you don't know, it's a beautiful Australian business

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Speaker 1: using one hundred percent Aussie fruits and veggies to create

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Speaker 1: individually portioned frozen baby food pures and foods, plus a

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Speaker 1: ground breaking allergen intro pack. They're delivered to your door

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Speaker 1: and make it so easy to start the process of

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Speaker 1: introducing foods, taking away so much stress and really freeing

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Speaker 1: up your time. But possibly even more stressful is also

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Speaker 1: waiting through the timing of introducing solids, the volume, the methods,

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Speaker 1: and so much other information. Even now, I still have

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Speaker 1: thrilled that the incredible Nourishing Bubs founder, pediatric dietitian and

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Speaker 1: nutritionist Olivia Bates joins us for this episode to share

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Speaker 1: her wealth of knowledge. And it was such an incredible chat,

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Speaker 1: covering so much detail that I've actually split it into

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Speaker 1: section because it is so detailed on allergens, will drop

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Speaker 1: next week to follow. As always, every baby is different

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Speaker 1: we will be talking general information and referring to the

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Speaker 1: it will vary for each individual and family. I'll also

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Speaker 1: but in the meantime, I hope you find this one

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Speaker 1: as useful as I did. Olivia, Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 2: I'm so excited to be here, Sarah. Thank you so

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Speaker 2: much for having me.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure things like as you're approaching that one year

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Speaker 1: Here constant learning journey, and I'm especially grateful to have

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Speaker 1: think what's really interesting about your stories. You would assume

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Speaker 1: but it was your passion for your skill and your

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Speaker 1: I think people don't believe that if they're not personally

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that like and people are always like, surely

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Speaker 2: check in make sure there's not something else going on.

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Speaker 2: If they're not interested, it could be like an undiagnosed

431
00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:37,160
Speaker 2: tongue tie, So let's just like get that sorted. But yeah,

432
00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:39,879
Speaker 2: aside from that, like your approach is like one hundred

433
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Speaker 2: percent the way that I would go.

434
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Speaker 1: And what about I found it kind of confusing to

435
00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:46,040
Speaker 1: work out what is the first meal to add? So

436
00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:49,480
Speaker 1: is it brecky then lunch than dinner or it doesn't

437
00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:51,879
Speaker 1: matter what the order is or I mean, firstly, you

438
00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:53,800
Speaker 1: don't really start with a full meal anyway, but like

439
00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:56,080
Speaker 1: what time of day and then do you build up

440
00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:58,600
Speaker 1: to full meals? How do you? Or is that also

441
00:19:58,640 --> 00:19:59,639
Speaker 1: a personal preference thing?

442
00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:02,520
Speaker 2: No, that's a really great question. So because you know,

443
00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:04,960
Speaker 2: all new foods are something that they haven't had before.

444
00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:07,280
Speaker 2: Although we have the allergens, they're the foods that are

445
00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:10,639
Speaker 2: responsible for ninety percent of allergies worldwide. But any food

446
00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:13,239
Speaker 2: could cause an allergy or an intolerance or some kind

447
00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:16,320
Speaker 2: of reaction. So we always generally recommend a new food

448
00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:18,479
Speaker 2: in the first half of the day, ideally, you know,

449
00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:21,359
Speaker 2: after that first nap of the day. The reason being

450
00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:24,200
Speaker 2: that you want them to be awake, ideally for two hours,

451
00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:25,800
Speaker 2: so you can just so like you want them to

452
00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:27,679
Speaker 2: be at the beginning of their awake windows so you

453
00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:30,800
Speaker 2: can watch and observe them for any adverse reaction. So

454
00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:34,000
Speaker 2: I usually find breakfast. However, you don't even need to

455
00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:36,520
Speaker 2: think about it as breakfast as such, because you could

456
00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:38,679
Speaker 2: offer veggies and beef or whatever. It doesn't need to

457
00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:41,520
Speaker 2: be like cereal like it. Don't think about it like

458
00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:43,600
Speaker 2: it has to be like our you know, breakfast is

459
00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:46,439
Speaker 2: generally sweet and whatever it is, it doesn't matter what

460
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Speaker 2: it is. So I usually do start with breakfast or

461
00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:51,639
Speaker 2: as the first meal of the day. Usually just do

462
00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,320
Speaker 2: one meal or one offering a food for a month,

463
00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:56,760
Speaker 2: and then after a month you would add a second meal.

464
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Speaker 2: Doesn't really matter where you add that second meal. Sometimes

465
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Speaker 2: it's what's practical, Like if you're going to be out

466
00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:03,560
Speaker 2: in the middle of the day. Maybe that doesn't work,

467
00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:05,520
Speaker 2: or you know, you might be like I want to

468
00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:08,680
Speaker 2: do a din like do like morning and then dinner time,

469
00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:10,800
Speaker 2: and then I'll add the lunch in, So it doesn't

470
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Speaker 2: matter what old I'd just always start with the first

471
00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:14,600
Speaker 2: first half of the day, like just so you can

472
00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:18,320
Speaker 2: watch for any adverse reactions. Then once they've had you know,

473
00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:20,359
Speaker 2: for example, that food, it's fine for that then to

474
00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:22,879
Speaker 2: become like a dinner time food, and then you can

475
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Speaker 2: you know, move your new things to the first half

476
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Speaker 2: of the day.

477
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then what about I found this really difficult

478
00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:31,840
Speaker 1: and I still sometimes do. Actually, is how do you

479
00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:35,480
Speaker 1: know how much perserve? And then how do you know

480
00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:38,680
Speaker 1: when they're full? Because some babies will just keep eating

481
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Speaker 1: past full. Some babies even if they're not full. You

482
00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:44,000
Speaker 1: have to kind of like encourage them. And I still

483
00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:47,000
Speaker 1: find it even on an evolving basis, like how is

484
00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:49,680
Speaker 1: his appetite grown? I don't know how much to add

485
00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:51,440
Speaker 1: to each serving? Like how do you kind of work

486
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Speaker 1: all that out?

487
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Speaker 2: Such a great question. So look, when you start, like

488
00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:56,840
Speaker 2: I would just be you know, they might only take

489
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Speaker 2: a tea spoon and that is absolutely fine. As you said,

490
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Speaker 2: it's like just trying it out. Like you will always

491
00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:04,560
Speaker 2: start with giving the milk feed first initially, so you're

492
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Speaker 2: going to do your breastfeed or your formula feed. Wait

493
00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:09,720
Speaker 2: about half an hour, give you solid feed. So they're

494
00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,040
Speaker 2: just getting used to it. It's definitely not dominant. So

495
00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:14,560
Speaker 2: what you'd start to do is you start to like

496
00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:16,560
Speaker 2: learn their cues so like so it can take six

497
00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:17,960
Speaker 2: weeks do they get to the point that they have

498
00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:20,000
Speaker 2: like half a cup. So I'd definitely be starting with

499
00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:21,840
Speaker 2: small amounts, and that's why we do like the really

500
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Speaker 2: small cubes, so who can build up how much you offer.

501
00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:27,120
Speaker 2: But similarly, if you're making the food yourself, I'd recommend

502
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Speaker 2: doing like an ice cube trace so you can build

503
00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:31,640
Speaker 2: the amounts that you offer, because they will start probably

504
00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:33,560
Speaker 2: start with half a tea spoon, and then it'll move

505
00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:35,720
Speaker 2: up and you'll get to half a cup. But you'll

506
00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:37,800
Speaker 2: just start to work out their cues. So for example,

507
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Speaker 2: if you're feeding, you know you're feeding Teddy and you've

508
00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:43,360
Speaker 2: got through what you had, say defrosted or made for him,

509
00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:45,560
Speaker 2: and he's like you're done with it, and you're like

510
00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:47,960
Speaker 2: he's looking around for more, or he cries when you

511
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,360
Speaker 2: take away the ball, or he's reaching for more more

512
00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:52,560
Speaker 2: like reaching out as if he wants more, Like that

513
00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:55,359
Speaker 2: would suggest to me he wants more food, Whereas on

514
00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,120
Speaker 2: the flip side, if he's like, you know, you're midway

515
00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:00,800
Speaker 2: through what you've like put out, and he is like,

516
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:03,400
Speaker 2: you know, getting distracted, he's trying to pull off his bib,

517
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:05,520
Speaker 2: he's trying to climb out of the high chair, he's crying.

518
00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:08,520
Speaker 2: He's like he's just lost interest. Just leave it. And

519
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:10,959
Speaker 2: it's hard, especially if you've like slaved or data make

520
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,000
Speaker 2: a beautiful meal. And we do have this habit of

521
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:16,040
Speaker 2: being like come on, and I like, as a babysitter,

522
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,640
Speaker 2: I've been like, come on, one more mouthful, But like, babies

523
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:22,159
Speaker 2: have this amazing ability to regulate their own appetite. You

524
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:24,720
Speaker 2: if you're breastfeeding, you know, like they cry when they're hungry,

525
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:26,719
Speaker 2: and they stop feeding when they've had enough, and if

526
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Speaker 2: you're not feeding them from a bottle, you have no

527
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Speaker 2: idea how that much they've had. You're just like, Okay,

528
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:34,560
Speaker 2: they've had enough, and like like they know, so like

529
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Speaker 2: trust them to regulate it. And it can be frustrating

530
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,359
Speaker 2: because it's definitely goes in waves. You'll be like, I

531
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:41,879
Speaker 2: feel like this kid will like never stop eating, Like

532
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:43,880
Speaker 2: I could just like keep feeding him. And people say,

533
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 2: like to me, they're like, do I like stop any time?

534
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:49,280
Speaker 2: I always say, the only time you would do? Like,

535
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:52,520
Speaker 2: sometimes babies eat so fast that their brain like can't

536
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:54,480
Speaker 2: get in touch with like when they're.

537
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Speaker 1: Full, like us adults do that too. I'm like, that's amazing.

538
00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,119
Speaker 2: Yes, So if you do, fine, you think they're doing that,

539
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:02,640
Speaker 2: and particularly if they get to the point where they

540
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:05,639
Speaker 2: like throw up, that suggests they've eaten too much. So

541
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:07,480
Speaker 2: what you might need to do is just slow down

542
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 2: the feeding, like you know, just allow a lot of

543
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 2: a pause, like slow them down, maybe try and give

544
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:14,879
Speaker 2: them some kind of destruction or give them the spoon

545
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 2: to like be chewing on or something, just so that

546
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:19,119
Speaker 2: you can slow down the rate at which they're eating

547
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:22,320
Speaker 2: so that they have time for their brain to like realize, oh,

548
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 2: actually I'm full. But that would only be if they

549
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 2: getting to the point where they're basically overeating to the

550
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Speaker 2: point where they throw up. Otherwise there will be days

551
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,199
Speaker 2: where they're just really hungry, you know, Like I know

552
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Speaker 2: some people have like those wonder Week's apps, et cetera,

553
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 2: where it says like they're going through a gross bert

554
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 2: now and they might be eating more, and then they'll

555
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,359
Speaker 2: go through stages where like particularly if they're teething, like

556
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:43,359
Speaker 2: that can really put them off their appetite and they

557
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 2: might just want to have like breastfeed or you know,

558
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 2: formula feed. And that's fine as well, Like it's going

559
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,399
Speaker 2: to be like that, but inevitably you're like, oh, you know,

560
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 2: yesterday we ate so much, like why are they not eating?

561
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 2: They must be hungry, And we develop this expectation, but

562
00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 2: it will it will vary from day to day. Like

563
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:00,719
Speaker 2: I always just encourage people to try and keep up

564
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 2: like a monthly way in ideally on the same scales

565
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 2: and just you know, I know, I forgot what the

566
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 2: color of the book is in Melbourne but green in

567
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 2: South Wales. Yeah, so there's a blue book and you

568
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,360
Speaker 2: have the plot in chart and just to plot, make

569
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 2: sure you're keeping like a regular rate on the growth

570
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 2: chart so that you can see if they move up

571
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 2: or down a line. The only time we start to

572
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 2: get worried is if they drop down two lines. Other

573
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 2: than that, you know they're going to sort of go up.

574
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 2: They might move a little bit and that's absolutely fine.

575
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:30,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, amazing, And I think that's one of the things

576
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:34,359
Speaker 1: that's been really hard but also good to remember with Teddy,

577
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 1: is it all that matters. It doesn't matter what he

578
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,239
Speaker 1: is compared to anyone else's age. It matters what he

579
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:40,679
Speaker 1: is compared to his percentiles, his whole life. Like you

580
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 1: just need to stay in the window that your baby is.

581
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 1: You're not trying to like it's you know, you're constantly

582
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 1: looking around at what other mums are doing and other

583
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:50,919
Speaker 1: babies are eating, and they're all just figuring out at

584
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 1: different rates. Like some kids that I know at the

585
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:54,920
Speaker 1: same age, we're eating lamptops when Teddy was still on

586
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,920
Speaker 1: pures and then some kids were still on breastmet or

587
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,240
Speaker 1: formula and they hadn't even started. And you get, really

588
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 1: it's really hard to just focus down on what your

589
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,920
Speaker 1: green book or blue book trends are doing. Like that's

590
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 1: where you really need to focus.

591
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Speaker 2: It's so true, and I always really like to remind people,

592
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 2: like you're running your own race. It's really hard. Like

593
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 2: I think, you know, comparison can be the source of

594
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:18,679
Speaker 2: evil because you can be like, you know, little Freddy

595
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 2: Freddy next door was born on exactly the same day

596
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,359
Speaker 2: as Teddy and he's doing this or you know, and

597
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,439
Speaker 2: you're like, but there's always going to be, you know,

598
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 2: a couple of months buffer. Even with those milestones that

599
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 2: babies need to meet, there's always going to be you know,

600
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:33,360
Speaker 2: a couple of months buffer in them hitting those milestones.

601
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:35,399
Speaker 2: So like, just try not to compare, because it can

602
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,439
Speaker 2: send you a little bit crazy and you're like, oh, no,

603
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 2: like there's something wrong. But as I said, like at

604
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 2: seven months, if there was not a not a bite

605
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 2: being taken, yes, I'd be like, please just check in

606
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:46,639
Speaker 2: that something else is not going on. But aside from that,

607
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 2: you know, there there's always going to be a buffer time.

608
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 2: So you know, be gentle, be kind to yourself. And

609
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,199
Speaker 2: even like when you have subsequent children, people will be like, oh, well,

610
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,200
Speaker 2: my firstborn didn't do that, Like you know what I mean,

611
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,359
Speaker 2: And you compare to your own they're running their own race.

612
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 2: Be guided by them, might trust them and it'll make

613
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,160
Speaker 2: you a lot calmer. But it's look as easier said

614
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 2: than time.

615
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 1: Are there any other broad guidelines And this is a

616
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:12,119
Speaker 1: very selfish question for this particular chapter of my solids journey,

617
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 1: but are there any other guidelines on volumes by particular months,

618
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:19,679
Speaker 1: Like you know, if you haven't started at all by

619
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 1: seven months, then that's kind of a clear guideline. But

620
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 1: is it like you should be at three meals by

621
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 1: this time, or you should be at x amount of

622
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 1: like big morsels, like you should have gone from pures

623
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 1: to like chunks, Like where does that all kind of sit?

624
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:35,959
Speaker 1: Is it anywhere we can look for those guidelines?

625
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:37,880
Speaker 2: Sure, Look there's a bit like look, there's some rough

626
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 2: guidelines around that. So what we usually would say, so

627
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:42,640
Speaker 2: you know, if you're going to do pures, you start

628
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 2: off with always start off with like a really smooth,

629
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 2: consistency pure and you would do that for about a month.

630
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 2: So usually you know, if you start obviously five months,

631
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 2: by six months you might be moving to slightly chunkier

632
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 2: But usually we'd say, you know, so by eight to

633
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 2: nine months, you'd expect that they would have got to

634
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:01,360
Speaker 2: the point of having three meals per day, and they

635
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 2: really should be getting to the point where they're able

636
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,920
Speaker 2: if they've done puis, they're able to handle quite a textured,

637
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 2: you know, very chunky pure slash finger food. So ultimately,

638
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 2: if you've done baby lead weaning, which we'll go into

639
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 2: I'm sure in a second, but or pureise ultimately, by

640
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,479
Speaker 2: the time that they're nine months, they really converge like

641
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 2: they would both be able to handle finger foods. So yeah,

642
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 2: like nine months is what I say. By nine months,

643
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 2: i'd really expect Bubby's having three meals per day and

644
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 2: you know, is able to handle finger foods. There's no

645
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,120
Speaker 2: reason why you can't still be giving them, you know, pures,

646
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 2: et cetera. But they're definitely able to handle like little

647
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 2: sandwiches and little pieces of soft, soft finger food by

648
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 2: that point. The way that you get there, I usually

649
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 2: find it's easier just to do one meal. Say you

650
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 2: started let's say six months, two meals at seven months,

651
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 2: three meals at eight months, so you're actually there at

652
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 2: eight months. Otherwise, if you start a bit early, you

653
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 2: might do you know, one meal at five months, two

654
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 2: meals at six months, three meals at seven months, so

655
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 2: just one month, one month, one month, so it's a

656
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 2: gradual step up. Some people that start at four months,

657
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 2: I just they don't add your second meal until they're

658
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 2: six months. And the reason that that's important is that

659
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 2: obviously as they start to take more and more solid

660
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 2: food in it will start to impact the amount of

661
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 2: milk that they have, and we just don't want to

662
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 2: like decrease the amount of milk that they're having too quickly. Obviously,

663
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 2: it's a very specific makeup for their development. You know,

664
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 2: it's got all of the nutrients and minerals as well

665
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 2: as you know, energy breakdown that's perfect for their growth,

666
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 2: and we just don't want to cut into that too quickly.

667
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 2: It's as well as having immunological benefits. So I just say, look,

668
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 2: don't get to like I know people that are like, oh,

669
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 2: I'm at three meals at six months and they're like

670
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 2: so happy, and I'm like, you know what, just pull

671
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,959
Speaker 2: it back a bit, like just not because otherwise, you know,

672
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 2: some babies will be like I'm done, Like I'm over

673
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 2: the milk. And like when people sometimes do reach out

674
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 2: to me and be like, oh, they're not really taking

675
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 2: their milk, I'm like, you know what, they're probably just

676
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 2: having so much solids that they don't need it. It's

677
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 2: usually also at that point, like you know that eight

678
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 2: to nine month mark where you're at, and it might

679
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 2: be seven months that you get to three meals per day,

680
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 2: but usually I say it eight months, we start to

681
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 2: swap it over and start to give solid food before

682
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 2: the milk. So initially you'll be starting off with always

683
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 2: giving milk waiting about half an hour. But then at

684
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 2: eight months, which is usually lines up with when they're

685
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 2: having three meals per day, that's when we swap and

686
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 2: we give the solid food first and wait about half

687
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 2: an hour and then give the milk. And then you know,

688
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 2: because then you're basically what happens is, you know, as

689
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 2: you gradually increase the solids, you gradually reduce the milk.

690
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 2: It's just like this crossover. And so then obviously solids

691
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 2: will start to become more and more dominant. So in

692
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 2: terms of yeah, that's sort of the guidelines. And then yeah,

693
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 2: nine months, you'd really expect that whether or not you've

694
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 2: done baby led winning on pures, they're able to handle

695
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 2: some finger foods. Yeah.

696
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 1: Oh that's so useful. And I also was going to

697
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 1: ask that milk first versus second question as well, So

698
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 1: thank you so much for answering that in terms of

699
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 1: their preference. So I had a question from someone who

700
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 1: has a ten month old who's still not overly interested

701
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 1: and still sometimes gags, and I find Teddy has quite

702
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 1: a sensitive gag reflex when he doesn't like something. So

703
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 1: rather than just like push you get a way straight away,

704
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 1: he will try it, and he'll try it quite a

705
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 1: few times, even if he recognizes the food. But then

706
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 1: he'll he'll gag. So, firstly, how do you know when

707
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 1: they're really rejecting food because they don't like it or

708
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 1: just because it's foreign. And how many times would you

709
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 1: like keep trying that food. Would you wait a month

710
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 1: or would you wait a week, or would you just

711
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 1: conclude like they don't like this thing.

712
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a good one. Look at the end

713
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 2: of the day, like it is a learning process and

714
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 2: they're going from having like they're born with the preference

715
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 2: for sweet food. Then they have milk for you know,

716
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 2: how ever many months and it's sweet and delicious, and

717
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 2: then suddenly you're like, here's broccoli, like and they do

718
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 2: have a very you know, their gag reflex is one

719
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 2: much closer to the you know, the surface. But yeah,

720
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 2: they can actually just gag on foods they don't like

721
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 2: some of them. It's just about like a learning process.

722
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 2: So we say, like, you know, it can take twenty

723
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 2: times for them to like it. Insaying that you're not

724
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 2: going to go and give like, yeah, twenty consecutive tryes.

725
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 1: Wow, I've given up way earlier.

726
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, And people do because they're like I just want

727
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 2: them to eat something like, but you're not going to

728
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 2: do twenty days, Like that's just torture for the child,

729
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 2: Like you do, Like say you do two days of gout,

730
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 2: You're like, okay, I'd just be like, let's leave it,

731
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 2: come back to it in two weeks and circle background

732
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 2: to it and just try again. It's just like a

733
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 2: try again, try again. Giving something with like something you

734
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 2: know that they like also can help, like increase familiarity.

735
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 2: So like if say they love pumpkin but they're not

736
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 2: loving broccoli, like offering the pumpkin with the broccoli, whether

737
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 2: that's mixed together as pure or like, you know, giving

738
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 2: the two things.

739
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 1: I love that you use those two because that's how

740
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 1: I got him to eat broccoli is with pumpkins, because

741
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 1: that was the first booth that he loved. I was like, Oh,

742
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 1: this is the same pumpkin you have every day. What

743
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 1: do you mean?

744
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, pumpkin sweet, delicious love or usually pretty well tolerated.

745
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 2: Broccoli obviously bitter and like not nearly as you know,

746
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 2: yummy as your pumpkins. So it is that it's just

747
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 2: getting them used to those slightly bitter foods. And like

748
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 2: I mean, I always use the example, but like when

749
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 2: I was younger, I didn't like wine. Well now I

750
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 2: like wine, like you know, like it's those flavors. But

751
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 2: it's like those you know, they need to develop taste

752
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 2: for things that they're not used to, and so like

753
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 2: bitter and you know, sour and all of these things.

754
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 2: It's just a new experience and some will take longer.

755
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 2: But unfortunately it is a persistence and doing courages, doing

756
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 2: little small amounts. We don't go and cook a whole

757
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 2: head of broccoli and be like, okay, well we can

758
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 2: I like broccoli, because you could be throwing out a

759
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 2: lot of food.

760
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 1: Well, that's also another question that came up about, you know,

761
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 1: the bitters and then the like tart foods and the

762
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: kind of categories of things. Is there a specific order

763
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 1: of the type of food that you recommend introducing or

764
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 1: specific foods by a certain age. And I think that

765
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 1: you recommended to me, like pumpkin and sweet potato were

766
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 1: the very first things that we tried at all like

767
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have gone in with broccoli because I feel

768
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 1: like it just wouldn't have gone Well, do you have

769
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 1: an order that you suggest.

770
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 2: I usually go more flavor neutral first, so avocado or

771
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 2: zecchini as one like that, I often will go for it.

772
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 2: There's no heart and fast, but I definitely I would

773
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 2: not give fruit first, Like I'm a hard veggies first gal.

774
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 2: Like there is increasing research coming out to show the

775
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,959
Speaker 2: benefits of giving veggies first, just because of that the

776
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 2: baby sweet preference, and in the UK their guidelines actually

777
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 2: even say like dark leafy greens first, So I'd usually

778
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 2: go like zucchini, which is also a good texture for

779
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 2: a pure point of view, it's quite watery, so it's

780
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 2: usually quite good for that. Avocado very flavor neutral, also

781
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 2: usually really well tolerated, so they're usually my first two.

782
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 2: I then actually got a bit more savory, and then

783
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,439
Speaker 2: I would go sweeter veggies. But there's no heart and fast,

784
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 2: but I just do veggies first, to as many veggies

785
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 2: as you can first before you start to introduce fruits,

786
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 2: So like sometimes I say like avocado, zucchini, then you

787
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 2: might go to like your broccoli and then move to

788
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 2: your pumpkin and stuff. Sometimes people like often people do

789
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 2: pumpkin first. It's a very common first food, and like

790
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 2: it's not as sweet as like sweet potato, and then

791
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 2: doing things like yeah, you're sweet. You carry all of

792
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,320
Speaker 2: those and then I would do, you know, you start

793
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 2: to add the fruits in there some way. You also

794
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 2: want to start to add the meat, but I wouldn't

795
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 2: give you meat probably not the first thing I would give.

796
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 2: Meat doesn't if you're not adding flavoring, doesn't have a

797
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 2: whole lot of flavor, like, it's just like meaty like,

798
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 2: So I usually would say, you know, incorporate the meat

799
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 2: with like the veggies. So do a few veggies and

800
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,879
Speaker 2: then you can start adding the meat to it. One

801
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:14,959
Speaker 2: thing I just always say is I really encourage people

802
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 2: not to mix the fruit into the savory because it's

803
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 2: easy to do and the likelihood is they will, you know,

804
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,399
Speaker 2: eat it so quickly and they'll love it. But it's

805
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 2: a false sense of you know, what flavors should taste like.

806
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 2: And that's like obviously one of the really big criticisms

807
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,439
Speaker 2: of the pouches and stuff. You know, you you look,

808
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 2: if you read the back of the pouch, it's like

809
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 2: it says, it's like a you know, a chicken whatever

810
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 2: pouch and then you know, chicken's like seven percent and

811
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 2: apples like the first ingredient. Yeah yeah, you're like yeah,

812
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 2: so yeah. Then you're like, why won't they eat my

813
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:44,879
Speaker 2: chicken and you know whatever that I've made them. It's

814
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:48,320
Speaker 2: because they're they're used to this sweetned you know, sense

815
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 2: of safety, so you want them to learn to like

816
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 2: savory foods. But it is a learning process. It's because

817
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:55,760
Speaker 2: they have that sweet preference. They've had all this sweet

818
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 2: food In terms of things like you're tard and you're sour,

819
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 2: You'll just gradually start to incorporate those, you know, like

820
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 2: you might offer some yogan and just do like a

821
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,840
Speaker 2: full fat Greek yogurt. I wouldn't recommend like a sweeten one.

822
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 2: So that's obviously going to be quite tight, but there's

823
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 2: no hard rules about that. I'd just usually say savory

824
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 2: before sweet, so savory before sweet, and then just starting

825
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 2: to incorporate meat. I mean, giving a baby like a

826
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 2: slice of lemon is one of the funniest, fewdest things

827
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 2: you'll ever watch. I don't know if you've done it, yea,

828
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 2: we did.

829
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 1: It was really.

830
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 2: Like that because it takes them a second that.

831
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's so cute. And I mean, if

832
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 1: anyone is listening who hasn't started their Solar's journey yet

833
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 1: and is doing this is kind of their introduction. By

834
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 1: this point, it will already be sounding quite overwhelming how

835
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 1: many different things there are to make. And this is

836
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 1: why nourishing Bubs has been so revolutionary for us, because

837
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 1: if you're doing it on your own, you're having to

838
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,919
Speaker 1: prepare a lot of different foods in random volumes, in

839
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 1: an all different like you're trying to mix lots of

840
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: different things. There's so much food wastage. So having the

841
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 1: baby's first food pack that has all of these pre

842
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 1: prepared snap frozen, like in one big pack, little cubes

843
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 1: of all of these veggies, and then separate packs for

844
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 1: the fruits so that you can just kind of mix

845
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,240
Speaker 1: and match and play and not waste and it's already

846
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,399
Speaker 1: done for you. Like, I can't even explain at this

847
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 1: point how much the whole process was simplified by you

848
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: giving us all this information but then saying and here

849
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: here is the tools to do that introduction.

850
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 2: I couldn't have said it better for myself. Yeah, I

851
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 2: wanted to be like, here's the tools, here's what you need.

852
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 2: You're still in control, you're still the chef, you can

853
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 2: put together what you want. But like here it is.

854
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:37,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, that ability to know that there was not anything

855
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 1: in those cubes other than what I would have prepared

856
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: for myself, except that I didn't have to prepare it.

857
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 1: But then I don't have to feel guilty for it

858
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:47,360
Speaker 1: because there isn't anything ad it. It's just that revolutionary.

859
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 1: But I also wanted to ask, so we did have

860
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 1: another question about the types of foods. Is it true?

861
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 1: And I think I know the answer to this one.

862
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:56,359
Speaker 1: Is it true that there's a window to try those

863
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 1: new foods between six and seven months? Like every kind

864
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 1: of made your new food needs to be introduced at

865
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 1: a particular time. Is there an optical time or are

866
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 1: you just constantly reintroducing, not reintroducing, but sorry, constantly adding No,

867
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 1: it's not that tight, Like.

868
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say it's that tight, it's step. Look, they

869
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 2: say that the window is really the first two years

870
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 2: of life, so you do have time, like because some

871
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 2: people will be like, oh, I started with you know,

872
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 2: they will start with food and then I'll they'll come

873
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 2: to a talk and they'll be like, oh, eek, I

874
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 2: already started with fruit, have I like stuffed it up already.

875
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 2: But the reality is that they talk about like the

876
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 2: window from having baby ingestation to at the end of

877
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 2: the two years, so they call it the first thousand days,

878
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 2: and that really is your window of opportunity to expose

879
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 2: them to as many flavors as possible. Like the reality

880
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 2: is you can't I usually say, one new food a day,

881
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 2: especially for the first two to four weeks, so you

882
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 2: know you're gonna get thirty foods maybe, like so you

883
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,839
Speaker 2: can't expose them to everything in a month period, So

884
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 2: you definitely have some time. But you know those years

885
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 2: of life are when they're like without sounding manipulative, but

886
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 2: their brain's most like malleable, most influential. So if you

887
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 2: can like really plant those seeds, lay those foundations for

888
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 2: healthy eating, the reality is, you know, at three they

889
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 2: might be really difficult eaters, but if they have, like

890
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:13,399
Speaker 2: you've laid those foundations, the likelihood is they will come

891
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 2: back around to being good eaters. Like the amount of

892
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:17,919
Speaker 2: people that are like my baby was such a great eater,

893
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 2: like from you know, six to twelve months and then

894
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 2: suddenly we've like fallen off a cliff. But you know,

895
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 2: they do come back around. If you've like really put

896
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 2: the effort into to expose them to as many new

897
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 2: foods and as many new flavors as possible. You know

898
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 2: that is really important for them. So you know, it

899
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 2: is important also to make a really conscious effort to

900
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 2: expose them to different foods, like don't be giving them

901
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 2: carrot every day, don't be giving them pumpkin every day. Also,

902
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 2: you know, if you don't like a food, you still

903
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 2: want to try and introduce them like we obviously.

904
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's really hard, Like.

905
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:46,879
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, I don't eat capsicums, so we don't

906
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 2: have caps com in well you know what I mean. Like,

907
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:50,280
Speaker 2: and they're not going to expose to these great foods

908
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 2: and so they're naturally their flavors are shaped by what

909
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 2: the foods that you choose to eat. But you know,

910
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 2: we really want to try and make sure we can

911
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 2: get as many as many foods in as possible.

912
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 1: I found that one of the hardest things is to

913
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 1: expose him because we're very exploratory. We love exploring, adventurous

914
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 1: when we eat, but like at home, where such creatures

915
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 1: of habit, and I found it really hard to keep

916
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 1: Teddy's palette exposed to things beyond our habitual routine at home.

917
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 1: And I think I am like definitely now even listening

918
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 1: to you, I'm like, oh my god, I really need

919
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 1: to stop just beating him the same thing that I

920
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 1: know he loves every day at the same meals because

921
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:31,239
Speaker 1: it's easy and because I know he likes it, and

922
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 1: because it gets the calories in. But yeah, that was

923
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 1: a really good reminder for me.

924
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 2: People do it, Yeah, because so if you know they're

925
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 2: going to eat it, you're like or you're like, oh,

926
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 2: I want to give them something they eat. The best

927
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 2: way is just to keep, you know, have something as

928
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 2: a guarantee they'll eat, and then just something new and

929
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 2: something you know that's a bit more like, oh, I

930
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 2: don't know if they're going to like be into this,

931
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 2: but something safe and something new can be the way

932
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 2: to just help combat that.

933
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that. So moving on to the next section,

934
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 1: like broad section, which is another thing that I think

935
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 1: is really divisive at the beginning less so, as you mentioned,

936
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 1: when it kind of ends up converging, but there's we've

937
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 1: done this sort of when but then there's a decision

938
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 1: of how you're going to start solids, and there's kind

939
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 1: of a lot of options and obviously there's a lot

940
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 1: of experimentation within each area. Or you can just kind

941
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,360
Speaker 1: of like you don't have to put labels on everything necessarily,

942
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 1: you can just kind of start. But in terms of

943
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 1: what you'll read when you first go out to read

944
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 1: up on starting solids, there's kind of a few methods

945
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 1: that come out, and you know, people who are more

946
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,839
Speaker 1: familiar will start using acronyms like BLW and I think

947
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 1: new mums are just like, what the hell is that

948
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 1: and what does that all mean? So can you take

949
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 1: us through the how what the landscape looks like when

950
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 1: nourishing bubs fits into that? What mixed feeding is, you know,

951
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 1: like what kind of the options are for someone who's

952
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 1: at the very beginning and it's just like lay this

953
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 1: out in a diagram.

954
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 2: Yes, So, as you said that, we really sort of

955
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 2: talk about there's now like two main Initially back in

956
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 2: the day, it used to just be pure. We call

957
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 2: it i'd call pure like more traditional feeding approach. You

958
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 2: move on to pure. As you start with a smooth pure,

959
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 2: you start to graduate the texture as time goes on

960
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:08,840
Speaker 2: and ultimately, by about nine months, you'd get to the

961
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 2: point where baby's having finger food. So you'll move from

962
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 2: a smooth pure after a month, he'd make it a

963
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 2: bit more textured. After another month he'd make it more

964
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 2: like a minced texture, and then you get to more

965
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 2: like a risotto and a finger food. So it's a

966
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 2: gradual process. That's why you know, if you're buying patches

967
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,879
Speaker 2: or something, they also have you know, stage textures, et cetera.

968
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:30,320
Speaker 2: So you've probably seen that before. The more newer method

969
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:33,919
Speaker 2: is called Baby Led Winning BLW, and what it is

970
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:36,840
Speaker 2: it was developed by a woman called a Dual WRAPI

971
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 2: and she basically it's a whole concept where you really

972
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 2: skip the pure stage altogether and you go straight into

973
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 2: giving baby finger foods. The reason that it has gained

974
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 2: popularity is one because it really leans into this whole

975
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 2: concept that you know, as I said before, babies have

976
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 2: a really amazing appetite control, and so it allows them

977
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 2: to really lead by you know, their feeding themselves. So

978
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 2: you put the food on their plate and then they

979
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,800
Speaker 2: pick up and feed themselves. So as I said before,

980
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 2: we do have a bit of a habit of if

981
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 2: we've made this beautiful meal. We're like, come on, one

982
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:09,399
Speaker 2: more mouthful. Whereas you know with baby lead Winning, they're

983
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 2: like picking it up themselves. So when they've lost interest

984
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 2: and they're over it, you just you move on with

985
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 2: the finger foods. Obviously people like, oh, but like how

986
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 2: you know how often they won't have teeth when you

987
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,400
Speaker 2: start solids, you need to make sure that you're cooking

988
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 2: them till they're really really soft. So you know, we

989
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:26,760
Speaker 2: talk about the squish test, so being able to squash

990
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 2: it easily between your finger and your thumb so that

991
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 2: they can squash it between the palette and tongue of

992
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 2: their mouth, particularly if they've got no teeth. It is

993
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 2: quite amazing what a baby can gum when they like

994
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 2: how they get through that, Like I'm just like shocked,

995
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 2: Like their gums are really quite strong. So you know,

996
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 2: it's making sure it's cooked until it's really soft. And

997
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 2: then again, if you're doing baby lead winning, you as

998
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 2: time goes on, you start to reduce the amount you

999
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:52,360
Speaker 2: know you're cooking food so that it does become a

1000
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 2: little bit firm, and you're building up the resistance because

1001
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 2: ultimately having to chew on foods is what starts to

1002
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 2: develop the jaws, the the muscles in their jaw and

1003
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:04,800
Speaker 2: will be ultimately involved in speech. So it is important

1004
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 2: whether you're doing baby lead winning or purease, that you

1005
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 2: are graduating the texture. Obviously with something like a lamb chop,

1006
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 2: like and I feel like the lamb chop is the

1007
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 2: most cliche into baby lead winning. You have like a

1008
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:16,880
Speaker 2: six month old holding the lamb chop and you're like,

1009
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:18,800
Speaker 2: but how do they manage that? They've got no teeth?

1010
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:21,319
Speaker 2: But they'll like suck the goodness out of it, and

1011
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 2: you can let there are pictures where you see and

1012
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:26,360
Speaker 2: like the lamb CHOP's basically gone gray because they actually

1013
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 2: like supple the new tunes. You're like, that's gross and weird,

1014
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 2: and like did they get anything out of it? But

1015
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 2: surprisingly they do. It is all about, you know, with

1016
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 2: baby lead winning, like bigger is better, particularly when you're starting.

1017
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:39,479
Speaker 2: Otherwise they do have a habit of just like trying

1018
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 2: to swallow the whole thing, particularly if it's a small piece.

1019
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:43,880
Speaker 2: So you know, a lamb chop is good or something

1020
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:46,319
Speaker 2: that they can hold easily. We talk about you know,

1021
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 2: cutting it so that it's about the size of two fingers.

1022
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 2: So if you're cutting you know, made some steak, cut

1023
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:53,800
Speaker 2: it into a slice, it's about the size of two fingers,

1024
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 2: you know, steamsticks of carrot, florets of broccoli, coulieflowered things

1025
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 2: that they can pick up easily because they pincy group

1026
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 2: is not developed, so it's harder for them to pick

1027
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 2: it up, so they need to like pick it up

1028
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 2: with their playing a grip. So yeah, just always thinking

1029
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 2: about the shape you're offering them. As time goes on

1030
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:11,799
Speaker 2: and they get more towards like nine months old, you

1031
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 2: can start cutting it smaller because they've sort of learned

1032
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 2: how to handle it. But yeah, initially they'll just want

1033
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 2: to put the whole thing in their mouth. So you

1034
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 2: want to give them something big so that they're forced

1035
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 2: to like bite it like a chicken. Drumstick is also

1036
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 2: a good example, because they have to hold it and like,

1037
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 2: you know, sort of chew at it so that they're

1038
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 2: you know, don't choke. But you know, I think understandably, people,

1039
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 2: particularly first time parents, terrified at baby lad winning, so

1040
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:37,880
Speaker 2: I definitely see it more common in second time parents

1041
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:41,399
Speaker 2: because of that fear of choking, understandably, and then your

1042
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:43,840
Speaker 2: little one always wants to copy what their oldest sibling

1043
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,240
Speaker 2: is doing, so that's why it does become more popular.

1044
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 2: But I'm a really big advocate of a combination approach

1045
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 2: because every baby is different. Some babies like really like

1046
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,760
Speaker 2: the independence quite early on have been able to feed themselves,

1047
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 2: and obviously, you know, baby lad winning is a more

1048
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:02,240
Speaker 2: independent they're feeding themselves, they're really taking control in saying

1049
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 2: that you can do pures with baby lead winning. So

1050
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 2: if you like loaded the spoon and then give them

1051
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 2: the spoon, that's a method of baby lead weening. It's

1052
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 2: just yeah, it's basically just giving them the control and

1053
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 2: whether or not you're doing you know, purese or baby

1054
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:18,279
Speaker 2: lead winning, and do encourage you to learn baby's Q

1055
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 2: and try not to as hard as it is, be like,

1056
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,360
Speaker 2: come on, one more mouthful, because then you're pushing past

1057
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,799
Speaker 2: their appetite cues. Obviously, we do a lot of pures,

1058
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 2: so you know, I would say we do more fit

1059
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 2: into the pure side. But you know, the pureise can

1060
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 2: also be used to make things like you know, use

1061
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 2: the veggie pures to make little fritters and things like that,

1062
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 2: So the pures can definitely be used in baby lead weaning,

1063
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 2: but I would say it does cater more towards that

1064
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 2: more traditional approach. If you are starting solids a little

1065
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 2: bit earlier than six months, I usually say don't start

1066
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 2: baby lead winning until six months just because their like

1067
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:56,320
Speaker 2: hand eye coordination is usually not quite there until six months.

1068
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:58,319
Speaker 2: So usually if you did want to start a bit early,

1069
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:00,399
Speaker 2: it's easier just to do pureis maybe for a couple

1070
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 2: of weeks and then try baby lead win in from

1071
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 2: six months. But otherwise you can also do things like

1072
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 2: offer you know, a pure and like a finger. You

1073
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,280
Speaker 2: could offer like broccoli pure and a piece of broccoli

1074
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 2: at the same meal, or some people will do like

1075
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 2: one meal, they'll do as pures, and then they might

1076
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 2: do like they might be out and about so they

1077
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 2: want to do little finger foods and that's easier for them.

1078
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 2: So it is again what really works for you, because

1079
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 2: you'll find, you know, and some babies just prefer to

1080
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 2: be spoon fed, and some babies do like that independence.

1081
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 2: So it's yeah, and also it's up to what you're comfortable.

1082
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:33,799
Speaker 1: Teddy loves being spoon fed still.

1083
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:36,359
Speaker 2: Now, yeah, so it's it's and it's also one dred

1084
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 2: percent what you're comfortable with some people Like I'm just

1085
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:40,360
Speaker 2: not I'm not ready for it. I'm not ready for that.

1086
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:42,839
Speaker 1: Like, I mean, it's a lot messier. Baby lead winning

1087
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 1: is definitely because they're just dropping stuff and it's going

1088
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 1: on the like they're using their hands, so it's everywhere.

1089
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:52,759
Speaker 2: I mean, it's all messy. But yeah, it definitely is

1090
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 2: a lot messier. The only thing is just be careful

1091
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 2: of there's like Facebook groups I know where they're like

1092
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 2: hard advocates of baby lad weening and if you even

1093
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 2: mentioned pure's apparently you get like blocked and wall it's

1094
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 2: a bit like politic Like it's like very political. Yeah,

1095
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 2: I know, like many other you know, feeding specialists that

1096
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 2: are like yeah, no, Like I like a combination approach,

1097
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:17,400
Speaker 2: work out what works best, and it's again, it's what

1098
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:20,280
Speaker 2: works best for you and your family and your baby

1099
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 2: and your comfort level. As long as you're graduating the texture,

1100
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 2: it's just the most important thing. Yeah.

1101
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 1: I found it really interesting that there was such a

1102
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 1: division between the methods when I felt like we just

1103
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 1: kind of did something that was a bit of a

1104
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 1: mix of all. But I'm like, aren't they all just

1105
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 1: the same thing? Like, aren't they all just feeding your

1106
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 1: baby like I didn't. I can't believe that's the division,

1107
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 1: but it is quite separate.

1108
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 2: It is crazy. I mean, hopefully I think it is

1109
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:46,239
Speaker 2: leveling out a little bit now. But initially, when it

1110
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 2: was a bit more like early and new and like trendy,

1111
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:52,399
Speaker 2: it was like this, yeah, like I do think baby

1112
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 2: led whining people think some more trendy like yeah.

1113
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 1: It's quite enlightened that they're you know, feeding that the

1114
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 1: baby has control. Do they have utensils? Like you are

1115
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 1: you aiming to get them to use their spoon or

1116
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:07,760
Speaker 1: is it just hands or is it kind of whatever?

1117
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:10,880
Speaker 2: Not Necessarily, it's absolutely fine for them just to just

1118
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 2: to use. Initially you'd just be using the hands. I

1119
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 2: think from you know, twelve months, you would start to

1120
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 2: offer them more of the utensils, but you know, initially

1121
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 2: you would just be starting with the you know, if

1122
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 2: you're doing pures, you could, as I said, give them

1123
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 2: the preloaded spoon. I wouldn't be like, oh, let them

1124
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 2: just like scoop into the pureid, you know, I would

1125
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 2: it just hands. Initially it's the spoon and the fork.

1126
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 2: Like even that is like it's like how do I

1127
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 2: get that into my mouth? Yeah, so just getting the

1128
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 2: because even and one of the benefits they say, baby

1129
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:42,359
Speaker 2: led winning, is it like promotes this, like you know,

1130
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 2: self confidence, because we do have a habit. If they're

1131
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:46,879
Speaker 2: like they get it into the mouth, we're like, well done.

1132
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 2: Yeah you like cheer like, so there is that aspect

1133
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 2: of it. But yeah, the cutlery not Yeah, you don't

1134
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 2: need to start adding the cutlery really until like you know,

1135
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:59,319
Speaker 2: ten twelve months, So laid it down the track. Just

1136
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 2: get get the food.

1137
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:03,759
Speaker 1: Someone asked about recommendations on starting spoons and utensils. You

1138
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 1: actually have them at nourishing bubbs, don't you, And they're

1139
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:08,320
Speaker 1: like beautiful and rubbery and.

1140
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, so silicon, you definitely want to go for a

1141
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 2: silicon over a like a metal for a couple of reasons.

1142
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 2: So the metal obviously feels a bit different in their mouth.

1143
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 2: It also picks up on the temperature of the food,

1144
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 2: like if it's hot food, you know, the metal will

1145
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 2: become quite hot, whereas silicon also doubles as a bit

1146
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 2: of a teather for them. So like one habit that

1147
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 2: I also often like mention to people is like if

1148
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 2: you're finding they want to become a bit independent but

1149
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 2: it's like not really going anywhere. Like you give them

1150
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:34,839
Speaker 2: a spoon, and you have a spoon and then they

1151
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 2: can like put it in their mouth, and often if

1152
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 2: they're like, you know, getting some teeth, they'll like want

1153
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 2: to that. This why Sophia the draft so popular because

1154
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 2: it gets to the back and like that just so

1155
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 2: they'll just chew on it, Like the utensils is just

1156
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 2: as much about like teething as it is about getting

1157
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:52,239
Speaker 2: the food in so but otherwise, look, honestly, just like

1158
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 2: a little a small like shallow bowl. Silicon is the

1159
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 2: perfect option. Plenty of options available at you know, you

1160
00:50:58,640 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 2: chemes do your supermarket.

1161
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:02,279
Speaker 1: And when would you say, I mean, you mentioned it before,

1162
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:03,840
Speaker 1: but I've forgotten already. When would you say that the

1163
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:06,880
Speaker 1: methods kind of converge and all babies would be doing

1164
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:09,880
Speaker 1: a similar thing, Like you wouldn't be dividing the two methods.

1165
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 2: So nine months is really when I would say, you know,

1166
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 2: even if you've done pures, they should be able to

1167
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 2: start to end or finger foods at that point. So

1168
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 2: you know, some people like, yes, I've done baby led

1169
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 2: winning my baby is so ahead of the pack. But

1170
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:23,399
Speaker 2: like ultimately at nine months, you wouldn't know who's done

1171
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 2: what it just you might still be giving like some

1172
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 2: well textured you know, things like risotto type texture, you know,

1173
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:31,959
Speaker 2: thick textured pures as well, but they are still also

1174
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:33,719
Speaker 2: having finger foods, and it would just be you know,

1175
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 2: meal dependent maybe like they get a little smallers bought

1176
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 2: at breakfast, but you're still you know, they're having a

1177
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:41,920
Speaker 2: bit more of like a pasta or something with a sauce.

1178
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:46,280
Speaker 1: So just outing myself, guys, Teddy definitely still gets spoon

1179
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 1: fed quite a lot of his meal, but he also

1180
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 1: gets in the same meal things that he can eat

1181
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 1: by himself. Like I'll cut up a roast chicken and

1182
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:54,759
Speaker 1: like you'll have lots of little bits of chicken to

1183
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:57,359
Speaker 1: put in his mouth. But then I'll also give him

1184
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:01,359
Speaker 1: a mash of sweet potato and boccado and something else,

1185
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 1: and like often he'll have some in his mouth and

1186
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 1: then I will give him a pre loaded spoon, but

1187
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 1: I will also be spoon feeding him as well. So

1188
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 1: when should you not be spoon feeding or does that?

1189
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 1: Is that not there's no timeline when.

1190
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:16,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, there's no like hard and fast rule as

1191
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 2: long as he has the skill and it sounds like

1192
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:20,319
Speaker 2: he has the skill, the skill, he just.

1193
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 1: Doesn't love it. It's like, but you do it better, Mum.

1194
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:26,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, you know, as time goes on, and

1195
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 2: definitely as he look, it's more it'll more be like

1196
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 2: when he starts to if he's going to daycare or something,

1197
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 2: they'll probably not be spoon feeding him, so I'll be like, yeah, buddy, like, no,

1198
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 2: we don't spoon feed you here. So yeah, I mean,

1199
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:40,160
Speaker 2: you know, as he gets into those toddler years, he

1200
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 2: will definitely I think you'll find that you can sort

1201
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:45,320
Speaker 2: of step away from the spoon feeding but just often

1202
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:48,719
Speaker 2: more less foods that require probably spoon feeding. But you know,

1203
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 2: I think also as you do get into more of

1204
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:53,840
Speaker 2: those toddler and like two three, you know, it is

1205
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 2: also easier just to give them more like finger food

1206
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:59,880
Speaker 2: type options that really don't require like spoon feeding as such.

1207
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 2: That's definitely the area. Also, like we know that parents

1208
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 2: want product and we're trying to sort of move into

1209
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 2: as well, because I think finger foods. Finger foods are

1210
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 2: such a big area and people like and they also

1211
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 2: like the independence then though, so they want things that

1212
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:16,840
Speaker 2: are like pick up little meatball and pick up you know,

1213
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 2: little things like that, And I think that's when the

1214
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 2: smorgas board type option, like, I mean, they get fed

1215
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:25,759
Speaker 2: so well, like a bit of fruit and a bit

1216
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 2: of veggie and a bit of you know, a bit

1217
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:29,840
Speaker 2: of protein, and they get all these little things beautifully

1218
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:31,759
Speaker 2: like presented to them like little kings.

1219
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 1: Little kings, absolutely a little king. Oh my gosh. Well,

1220
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 1: the last question on this section was with baby like winning. Initially,

1221
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 1: it's really hard to know if anything's going in like

1222
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 1: similar with the breast milk thing. You can't actually measure

1223
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 1: how much they're eating because I for a lot it's

1224
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 1: being spilt out, Like how do you make sure they're

1225
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 1: getting enough or how do you know how much they

1226
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 1: should be eating of what is left after they kind

1227
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:57,920
Speaker 1: of splatch it around everywhere?

1228
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:01,920
Speaker 2: Really good question, really high answer. It's for this reason

1229
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 2: because it is quite hard to monitor. So this is

1230
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:06,839
Speaker 2: why I'm a really big advocate of just keeping up

1231
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:08,839
Speaker 2: that monthly weight just to make sure that they are

1232
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:11,360
Speaker 2: getting enough food because the reality is it is a

1233
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:13,879
Speaker 2: bit hard to tell how much they're having. So that's

1234
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 2: why I like to keep up the weight, just to

1235
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 2: make sure that either way they're you know, between the

1236
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 2: milk and between the solids that they are able to

1237
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 2: get enough food. So just making sure that they are

1238
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:24,319
Speaker 2: tracking on their line or only moving up or down

1239
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:26,799
Speaker 2: one line. So that's probably the easiest way. I know,

1240
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:29,360
Speaker 2: it's a bit like overarching, and it also might you know,

1241
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 2: vary from day to day. And also look, we haven't

1242
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 2: really touched on all We haven't touched on iron, but

1243
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:36,719
Speaker 2: iron is really important. So just making sure you are

1244
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 2: offering you know, iron rich foods. I mean, it's not

1245
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:42,800
Speaker 2: standard practice. We don't have like sat amounts of food

1246
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 2: for that first two years of life. Like it's not

1247
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 2: like they have to have this amount of food because

1248
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 2: there's so much variation. That's why just you know, watch

1249
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:52,839
Speaker 2: how they're tracking. Then if they're tracking on the right

1250
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:55,680
Speaker 2: growth chart, we sort of provided we've been offering a

1251
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:58,520
Speaker 2: variety of food, we do assume that they're also getting

1252
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:02,440
Speaker 2: the variety of nutrients require. It's not standard practice to

1253
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 2: go and for example, do like an iron test on

1254
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 2: a baby because obviously, you know, require a blood test,

1255
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:08,920
Speaker 2: which we don't necessarily want to do. But there are

1256
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 2: a few signs that you would be looking for, like

1257
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 2: if baby was you know, sleeping more than they should

1258
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 2: be or looking quite like tired, lethargic, pale like they

1259
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 2: would be signs an iron deficiency, and then there might

1260
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 2: be some intervention. There might be some you know, some

1261
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:23,799
Speaker 2: supplements put on or more of a focus put on

1262
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:26,319
Speaker 2: you know, iron rich foods. But it's not like we're

1263
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:28,280
Speaker 2: not like, okay, they have to be having this amount

1264
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 2: of food. And this I guess occurs for baby lead

1265
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 2: winning and purese. It's for this reason also that the

1266
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:36,759
Speaker 2: only time I wouldn't recommend baby lead weaning would be

1267
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 2: for a child that was born like low birth weight

1268
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 2: or was having any issues gaining weight, because it is

1269
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 2: very hard to monitor how much they had taken in.

1270
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 2: And so you know, if your baby was having issues

1271
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:50,359
Speaker 2: gaining weight and they were falling off the growth chart,

1272
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:52,759
Speaker 2: I'd be like, you know what, I'd probably be better

1273
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:55,720
Speaker 2: just to stick to purage, just so you can be like, Okay,

1274
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:57,760
Speaker 2: today we offered you know, half a cup of sweet

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Speaker 2: potato and babe eight half of the heart cup. So

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Speaker 2: we know they had a quarter of a cup of

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Speaker 2: sweet potato. We can calculate the calories. We can also

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Speaker 2: look at do we need to add something to it?

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Speaker 2: Do we need to fortify it. Do we need to

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Speaker 2: add any supplements to it? So because baby led winning,

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Speaker 2: it's like, yeah, it's not a great answer because it's

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Speaker 2: hard to tell, but it's just a general like you know,

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Speaker 2: watching that growth chart and making sure that they're gaining

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Speaker 2: enough weight. That's why you know, weight is so important

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Speaker 2: and I think can become quite unfortunately a bit of

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Speaker 2: a moment of stress, you know, especially in those early

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Speaker 2: days when you know, obviously baby comes out of hospital,

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Speaker 2: they lose a bit of weight, and then parents you know,

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Speaker 2: might be having issues with supply and stuff. Like the

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Speaker 2: weight is a really great marker just to you know,

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Speaker 2: go okay, well they're tracking, so they should be getting enough.

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Speaker 2: And then as long as there's no other signs that

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Speaker 2: would suggest deficiency like you know, lethargy and you know,

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Speaker 2: sleeping way more than they should be, we usually go okay,

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Speaker 2: you know, they're not going to intervene without really having to,

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Speaker 2: and premier babies will be put on like you know,

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Speaker 2: iron supplements and stuff for that reason. But yeah, so sorry,

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Speaker 2: a bit of a roundabout answer on that one, but it's.

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Speaker 1: A hard Oh no, that's so valuable, Okay, guys, As

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Speaker 1: I mentioned, I will stop us there for this first

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Speaker 1: part one. As we covered so much information in so

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Speaker 1: much detail, it can be quite overwhelming, but I do

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Speaker 1: hope that you found it helpful and useful so far.

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Speaker 1: We will have the allergens section and a couple of

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Speaker 1: other questions in Part two, coming to you next week.

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Speaker 1: In the meantime, I'll pop all the links so far

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Speaker 1: in the show notes, and we'll be back with Part two.