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Speaker 1: You're listening to Amma Mia podcast. Good morning from the Quiki.

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Speaker 1: I'm Taylorstrano. They say it takes ten thousand hours to

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Speaker 1: become an expert in something, so imagine how good you

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Speaker 1: must be at, say, your job, when you've been at

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Speaker 1: it for ten thousand days. Labor MP Minister for Social

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Speaker 1: Services Tania Plebisk is today celebrating just that. Before we

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Speaker 1: catch up with Tanya. First, here's a look at the

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Speaker 1: latest news headlines with Claire Murphy for Wednesday, February eighteen.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Taylor. The man accused of throwing a bomb into

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Speaker 2: an Invasion Day rally in Perth has been identified as

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Speaker 2: thirty two year old Liam Hall. Paul has been charged

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Speaker 2: with engaging in a terrorist act over the incident in

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Speaker 2: Perth on January twenty six, when thousands of people are

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Speaker 2: evacuated from Forest Place in Perth City Center after police

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Speaker 2: found an object containing volatile chemicals, nails and metal ball bearings.

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Speaker 2: Police alleged Hall through the explosive device from a walkway

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Speaker 2: above the crowd of Indigenous People, families and supporters. The

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Speaker 2: device did not detonate despite a fuse allegedly being lit.

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Speaker 2: The incident has been declared an act of terror, the

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Speaker 2: first NWA history. With the case returning to court on Tuesday,

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Speaker 2: the defense said Hall was too unfit to appear in

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Speaker 2: court due to health reasons, saying the accused is in

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Speaker 2: a vulnerable mental health condition and he can't even appear

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Speaker 2: in court today. Magistrate Lenat Diaz lifted a suppression order

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Speaker 2: on Hall's identity after hearing submissions from a Commonwealth prosecutor

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Speaker 2: and lawyers of various media outlets. She said, given the

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Speaker 2: serious nature of these charges and fundamental principles relating to

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Speaker 2: open justice, I do not consider that issues relating to

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Speaker 2: the accused's interests and his personal circumstances justified displacing the

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Speaker 2: usual practice of naming accused persons. If Hall is found

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Speaker 2: guilty of the terrorism offense, he faces life behind bars.

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Speaker 2: The case has been adjourned until March thirty one. The

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Speaker 2: focus is now shifting to the coalition's immigration policy, as

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Speaker 2: leader Angus Taylor calls for unity following the announcement of

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Speaker 2: a front bench rewarding his supporters. Mister Taylor has spent

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Speaker 2: his first days in leadership sprooking the opposition's stance on immigration,

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Speaker 2: promising to slash migrant numbers and shut the door on

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Speaker 2: people who don't respect Australian values. He said an immigration

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Speaker 2: policy would be developed with his new look shadow Cabinet,

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Speaker 2: but would not be drawn on details. Mister Taylor returned

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Speaker 2: members to the front bench who were axed by former

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Speaker 2: leader Susan Lee, who he ousted in a party room

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Speaker 2: ballot on Friday. Conservative supporter Senator John O'donnham's been given

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Speaker 2: the Shadow Ministry, Home Affairs and Immigration, leading the Opposition

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Speaker 2: in managing the economy. Deputy Leader Jane Hume holds the

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Speaker 2: Finance portfolio and Tim Wilson is the Shadow Treasurer. Moderate

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Speaker 2: Andrew Bragg retains the Housing portfolio and will take on

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Speaker 2: the role of environment spokesperson, while James Patterson has shifted

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Speaker 2: from Finance to Defense. Conservative Western Australian MP Andrew Hasty,

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Speaker 2: who had stepped down from Isley's front bench last October

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Speaker 2: citing disagreements over immigration policy, was given the Energy portfolio,

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Speaker 2: just into nampujimp For Price and Sarah Henderson were also

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Speaker 2: promoted in the shadow cabinet shakeup. One of Australia's youngest

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Speaker 2: Winter Games without her coach, who's had to head back

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Speaker 2: to Australia. Sixteen year old Ali Hickman qualified in seventh

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Speaker 2: for the twelve person slopestyle final, the only Ossie to

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Speaker 2: On top of that, the Sydney School Girls coach Ryan

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Speaker 2: teen has had to jump on a plane back to

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Speaker 2: give birth to their third child. He said that Danny,

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Speaker 2: Ali had worked out their run plan and that he

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Speaker 2: denis daylight saving time tomorrow morning. Actor Shia Labouf has

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Speaker 2: been arrested after an altercation outside of bar in New Orleans. Labouf,

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Speaker 2: who was in the city celebrating Martigraf festivities, was involved

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Speaker 2: TMZ showing a video of the thirty nine year old

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Speaker 2: receiving medical treatment from paramedics. It's not clear what led

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Speaker 1: Thanks Claire. Next, Tanya Pluvasek looks back on her ten

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Speaker 1: thousand days in parliament. Tania pluver Sk first entered Parliament

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Speaker 1: in the spring of nineteen ninety eight. Today, ten thousand

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Speaker 1: days later, she's one of Australia's longest serving female politicians,

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Speaker 1: second only to Bronwyn Bishop. Ten thousand days is a

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Speaker 1: I've obviously got four hundred questions about. But today she's

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Speaker 1: marking her ten thousandth day as a sitting member of

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Speaker 1: Tanya didn't want to celebrate, though in fact, her take

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Speaker 1: on this day is entirely different. Tanya, today February eighteen

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Speaker 1: marks your ten thousandth day in parliament. When your advisor

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Speaker 3: Because I really don't think politicians talking about themselves is

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Speaker 3: very interesting for people. Look, I'm really proud of the

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Speaker 3: it just feels a little bit awkward talking about it.

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Speaker 3: And I don't know, I'm not sure that longevity is

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Speaker 1: To be honest, I know you don't want to talk

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Speaker 1: about yourself too much, So let's turn our attention to politics.

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Speaker 1: A big story this week is immigration policy. We saw

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Speaker 1: banning people from thirteen countries from coming here. Given your context,

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Speaker 1: you are the child of two migrants. How does something

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Speaker 3: I think it's really cheap and nasty politics. And I

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Speaker 3: So my parents came here after the Second World War.

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Speaker 3: They both Yugoslavia closed its borders after the Second World War.

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Speaker 3: My mother escaped across a border in the middle of

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Speaker 3: My father did the same, he went to Austria. They

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Speaker 3: They raised three children to be productive citizens. We feel

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Speaker 3: I think that is overwhelmingly the feeling of people who've

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Speaker 1: So the newly minted Liberal leader Angus Taylor has denied

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Speaker 4: Colog Well, that's really reassuring.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't mean but it's not something that could still

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Speaker 1: come up in the future. As part of it, though,

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Speaker 1: is this concept of immediately deporting people who value breach?

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Speaker 1: What does the values breach like? What would that even mean?

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Speaker 1: Do you think?

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Speaker 3: Well, that's really a question for them, isn't it? Like

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Speaker 3: it genuinely is. I'm not sure that I'd be comfortable

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Speaker 3: with Angus Taylor deciding what Australian values are. I think

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Speaker 3: in some respects his values are quite different to mine.

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Speaker 3: I really like our citizenship. You know, we ask new

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Speaker 1: So I guess while immigration is in the news this week,

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Speaker 1: immigration rules. One of the things that people often point

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Speaker 1: build more houses. Other people say immigration would help curb

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Speaker 4: What's your take. Yeah, Look, I think.

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Speaker 3: There's this kind of notion that the level of immigration

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Speaker 3: It's been that for many years now. There have been pressures,

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Speaker 3: Over season come over. We've curbed the number of university

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Speaker 3: range of areas. Of course, we need to be focusing

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Speaker 1: I want to just quickly touch on while we're on

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Speaker 1: the subject of parliament and politics, it's been a weird

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Speaker 3: We just haven't seen that in recent times. I think

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Speaker 3: it's pretty shocking that the Liberals didn't even let their

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Speaker 3: They don't want to walk around feeling angry, and that

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Speaker 1: explain to us a bit about your connection to that

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Speaker 3: From the time I was Women's Officer at the University

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Speaker 3: So my job before Parliament was in domestic violence. And

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Speaker 3: some people might know that my daughter Anna was a

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Speaker 3: victim of domestic violence in a teenage relationship a sort

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Speaker 1: I think that when we read the headlines, when you

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Speaker 3: So there's absolutely a role for government, and I think

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Speaker 3: Like I'm not anti pornography, But not so long ago,

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Speaker 1: Are you feeling positive or hopeful that your government, along

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I do.

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Speaker 3: Like the most recent survey says three quarters of men

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Speaker 1: So in preparation for this chat, I obviously stopped all

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Speaker 1: of your social media. Something that you posted earlier on

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Speaker 1: this year is your ins and Outs for twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the Inn's list.

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Speaker 4: You're good to remind me. I do remember?

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Speaker 3: Comfortable shoes were on it. Yes, life is too short

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Speaker 1: You've put hokers over heels, which I didn't need convincing

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Speaker 1: When did this start?

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Speaker 3: Ah a few years ago. So my brother's a bee

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Speaker 1: But it comes to you with her honey and no.

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Speaker 3: I know it's a bit odd, isn't it. A friend

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Speaker 3: That's so precious.

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Speaker 1: How many bees are we talking? Are you like a

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Speaker 4: Or I've got one hive?

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Speaker 3: But that produces a lot of honey. Yeah, it is

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Speaker 1: that in your twenties theme that everybody's done, including us.

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Speaker 3: You know, like those moments when your kids are little

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Speaker 3: I'd given away the cod I'd given away the pram,

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Speaker 4: No matter how frustrating the.

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Speaker 1: Do you remember the first time you took one of

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Speaker 3: I came in in nineteen ninety eight, the same year

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Speaker 3: a Burke And what a class, I know, what a

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Speaker 3: I was told that I didn't have leave to go

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Speaker 3: That That means like people get peered all the time.

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Speaker 3: If I'm not able to vote, one of their people

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Speaker 1: Famously very stress free environment.

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Speaker 4: I don't mind stress.

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Speaker 3: Luckily, I would have minded if my waters had broken

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Speaker 3: during question time and you know, like I did picture

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Speaker 3: potential kind of embarrassment there, but it was all good.

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Speaker 1: Okay, are you ready for the last question?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: It requires a bit of buying from you, though.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to give you.

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Speaker 1: Our group executive has just in case you didn't pick

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Speaker 1: that up on the mic. She did insist that we

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Speaker 1: ask you that, So thank you. You've saved me actually

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Speaker 1: having to ask. Okay, I'm going to hand your piece

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Speaker 1: of paper. Can you read that out to us please?

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Speaker 4: Yea.

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Speaker 3: We do a great disservice to the people we represent

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Speaker 3: if we assume that they are looking for easy answers

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Speaker 3: or glib pronouncements. We have to be prepared to argue

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Speaker 3: through complex and subtle arguments. We must be prepared to

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Speaker 3: rethink our own assumptions to see merit in our opponents

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Speaker 3: where it exists. We're not helped in Australia by a

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Speaker 3: media which screams backflip every time a policy is amended

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Speaker 3: or adjusted. We owe it to the electorate to engage

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Speaker 3: with them in serious debate about difficult issues, not seek

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Speaker 3: a populist escape hatch when it comes to difficult issues

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Speaker 3: such as immigration or an adequate tax base.

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Speaker 1: Do you remember what that's from?

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Speaker 4: Is it my first speech?

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Speaker 1: That's your maiden speecheah Wednesday, November eleven, nineteen ninety eight,

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Speaker 1: and you're based on that. Do you feel like you

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Speaker 1: have held yourself accountable to tackling the issues of Australian people,

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Speaker 1: regardless of how complex or politically inconvenient they might be.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I actually do think I'm prepared to have tough

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Speaker 3: conversations with Australians, and I think the idea that there

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Speaker 3: are some easy answers if only we did this, if

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Speaker 3: only we did that, It's almost always not true that

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Speaker 3: there's an easy answer to complex problems or we would

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Speaker 3: have done it, And most often in public debate, it's

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Speaker 3: not a fight between a fantastic idea and a terrible idea.

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Speaker 3: It's a fight between two competing quite good ideas, and

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Speaker 3: you've got to choose one of them. I think we

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Speaker 3: need to treat people likely intelligent, well motivated people they are.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for taking some time to feed your

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Speaker 1: mind with us today. The Quikie is produced by me

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Speaker 1: Taylor Strano, Alaria Brophy, and Clare Murphy, with audio production

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