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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Kick your Expert led podcast, helping you

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Speaker 1: Welcome everyone, I'm Ridgid Maloney and today I am talking

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Speaker 1: to Seb from Canines on que all about how to

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Speaker 1: introduce your newborn to.

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Speaker 3: Your beloved dog.

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Speaker 1: Because we know a lot of our listeners have dogs

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Speaker 1: and this is a question that they is on their lips,

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Speaker 1: like how do I bring my newborn home when I've

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Speaker 1: got my dog? And Seb is the master of how

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Speaker 1: to do that, So he has focused a lot on

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Speaker 1: how to build the relationship between owners and dogs. He

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Speaker 1: talks about safety and control and he uses them as

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Speaker 1: fundamental pillars of healthy dog ownership. He may even convince

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Speaker 1: you that you can teach an old dog new tricks.

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Speaker 1: So let's get onto the episode. Well, Sem, I'm just

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Speaker 1: so thrilled to be talking about this as a topic

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Speaker 1: because we've actually been asked a lot of times, you know,

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Speaker 1: how do I bring a newborn into my home? What

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Speaker 1: do I need to do to prepare my dog? So yay,

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Speaker 1: we've got someone on that can help us with all.

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Speaker 3: Of those questions. So I want to start with a

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Speaker 3: really baseline.

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Speaker 1: How common are dog related injuries to babies and children?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, well, there's in regards to dog bites

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Speaker 4: across the world, there's millions across the world, I guess

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Speaker 4: in Australia.

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Speaker 5: I did actually write a few things down.

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Speaker 4: I know in Australia there's about about one hundred thousand

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Speaker 4: bites across Australia every year. And the highest kind of

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Speaker 4: like risk age is under the age of five, So

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Speaker 4: any any child kind of under the age of five

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Speaker 4: is the most at risk. And and the I guess

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Speaker 4: the kind of the scary part is that it's it's

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Speaker 4: mostly the family dog and the dog you know that

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Speaker 4: the child has the most contact with, so either the

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Speaker 4: that they see all the time.

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Speaker 5: I think I think parents.

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Speaker 4: Are generally pretty good at you know, when when if

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Speaker 4: you if your kid sees a dog on this on

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Speaker 4: good at being like, oh, you know, we don't go

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Speaker 4: that dog. You know, that's not that's not like Barney

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Speaker 4: at home or whatever. But Barney at home is more

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Speaker 4: likely to bite you than that dog. So it's it's

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Speaker 4: quite it's quite a scary one. And obviously being being

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Speaker 4: children being that size, you know, most of these bites

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Speaker 4: the scary part is it is hard to get it

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Speaker 4: like an exact number, obviously, because there's some that don't

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Speaker 4: get reported, some that go to hospitals, some that go

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Speaker 4: a hard one. But obviously it's it's it's too much,

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Speaker 4: whatever it is, and there's so much that we can

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Speaker 1: And you know, we're talking just about bites, but there's

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Speaker 1: also scratches. When he had well before I met Pat

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Speaker 1: knocked the kids over all the time. Yeah, so you know,

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Speaker 1: I suppose we are most concerned with biting, because yes,

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Speaker 1: we should be concerned with biting, but there are other

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Speaker 1: things too. And in saying that, you know, we've got

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Speaker 3: What do you think is that? Is that something you

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Speaker 5: Debate? Look that there's you can definitely.

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Speaker 4: You know, just because you have a dog and you

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Speaker 4: I do think as a general rule, supervision is a must.

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Speaker 4: kids do strange things. You know, they don't understand, you

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Speaker 4: They're like, you can have a kind of it's a

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Speaker 4: lot easier to train a dog personally. I think Musson's

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Speaker 4: to show their warning signs, you know, and I'm sure

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Speaker 5: But kids, kids.

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Speaker 4: Are often you know, they're in they're in their own world,

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Speaker 4: it's also a good thing to maintain good supervision and

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Speaker 4: you know, until basically until the dog is going up

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Speaker 4: to the child to receive affection basically is generally my rule.

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Speaker 4: To then start to kind of be like, okay, they're

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Speaker 5: That's generally a good sign.

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Speaker 4: But even so, you know, things can change quite quickly,

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Speaker 4: and you know, you know, little babies in particular, and

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Speaker 4: toddlers they trip over a lot, they fall over dogs,

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Speaker 5: And I'm sure I'm sure we'll go through all of

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Speaker 3: Well, let's start at the start.

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Speaker 1: When parents are having their first baby and they've had

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Speaker 1: What are some of the tools that you help people

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Speaker 4: So the first thing I always tell people that there's

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Speaker 4: there's a lot of preparation that you can do. And

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Speaker 4: the first thing is learn your dog. Figure out who

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Speaker 5: To be pretty good at this.

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Speaker 4: But it's a really good idea to start to kind

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Speaker 4: of take extra note of, like the stress signals that

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Speaker 5: And most of the time they're quite subtle. So so first.

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Speaker 4: Learning your dog and just learning, you know, what stress

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Speaker 4: things like licking their nose, you know, might you might

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Speaker 4: It doesn't even matter what it is. Like, you know,

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Speaker 4: all of that well and truly in advance. So yeah,

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Speaker 4: you find find a good dog trainer in your area

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Speaker 4: And most people are generally pretty good at this. That

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Speaker 4: as well. As part of that is learning a dog's sensitivity.

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Speaker 4: So what things are they sensitive to? What do they

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Speaker 4: you know, dog trainers are usually pretty good at this,

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Speaker 4: but yeah, I guess learning your dog, getting that good

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Speaker 1: What if you're somebody and we know lots of people,

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Speaker 4: You know, they learn what they can and can't get

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Speaker 1: so unsafe, because that's how we feel.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, look definitely definitely unsafe. And look like some

440
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Speaker 4: of the videos, like I'll admit it, they are pretty cute,

441
00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:47,520
Speaker 4: but then I'm thinking, like, you know, dogs have what's

442
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Speaker 4: called like some dogs have what's called a sleep startle reflex,

443
00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:53,320
Speaker 4: and especially if they're in a dream or something, you know,

444
00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:55,080
Speaker 4: they're running along the beach in their dream, the legs

445
00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:58,000
Speaker 4: are kicking around whatever, and the baby, you know, moves

446
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Speaker 4: or they wake up and they have like for a

447
00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:02,760
Speaker 4: second there, they're not quite you know themselves or right,

448
00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:04,920
Speaker 4: they're still they don't know if they're still dreaming or whatever,

449
00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:06,520
Speaker 4: what's going on. I don't know what goes on inside

450
00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:08,880
Speaker 4: their head. But very often dogs will kind of wake

451
00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:11,919
Speaker 4: up and be startled. And and you know, when when

452
00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:14,560
Speaker 4: dogs are startled, they use their teeth to get away

453
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Speaker 4: from things.

454
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Speaker 5: They do.

455
00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:17,639
Speaker 4: They use their teeth, they use their paws to kind

456
00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:19,960
Speaker 4: of create distance from things. And if they're in a cot,

457
00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:22,840
Speaker 4: one they can't create distance, and two they've just woken

458
00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:24,280
Speaker 4: up and they're like, oh my god, what is this

459
00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:24,760
Speaker 4: thing here?

460
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Speaker 5: And look at the risks that come from that.

461
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Speaker 4: Is is like Look, you're not going to develop a

462
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Speaker 4: better bond between your dog and your child by forcing

463
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Speaker 4: them to sleep together or by you know, like like pressure,

464
00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:42,160
Speaker 4: like creating, creating like one moment where you're like, all right,

465
00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:46,959
Speaker 4: bond straight away. The good relationships happen over time and

466
00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:49,639
Speaker 4: are built through you know, repetition and through structure and

467
00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:52,200
Speaker 4: through you know, they're built over time. They're not they're

468
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Speaker 4: not forced in little moments.

469
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Speaker 3: Wow, I'm god, I forgot what I was going to say. Yeah, right,

470
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Speaker 3: hang on, I got it. I got something about. Oh yeah,

471
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Speaker 3: so we're still sticking with newborns.

472
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Speaker 1: So you've bought the newborn home, and everybody's exhausted and

473
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Speaker 1: you just want to stay.

474
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Speaker 3: In that little bubble and cuddle and all the rest.

475
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Speaker 1: But your dog is used to having a walk at

476
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Speaker 1: six am every morning. Is that something that you should

477
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Speaker 1: really sort of strive to keep that routine?

478
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Speaker 5: Well, I mean not necessarily.

479
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Speaker 4: I like to kind of think of it like, and

480
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Speaker 4: this is just in general for dogs, but even more

481
00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:35,439
Speaker 4: important when you have your baby coming. But you want

482
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Speaker 4: to try and make your dog's life kind of predictably unpredictable,

483
00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:41,520
Speaker 4: so that they don't know what time they're going to

484
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Speaker 4: get fed. They don't necessarily know when their walk's going

485
00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:47,320
Speaker 4: to come from. Obviously, that doesn't mean you just stop

486
00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:49,719
Speaker 4: walking your dog. We need to do that. We need

487
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Speaker 4: to give your dog proper exercise. But having at like

488
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Speaker 4: routine times all the time. It's a lot of dogs

489
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Speaker 4: and a lot of families fall into that because you know,

490
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Speaker 4: we are creatures of habit as well. We got to

491
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Speaker 4: work at the same time every day. It just works

492
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Speaker 4: out like that. What we want to try and do, however,

493
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Speaker 4: is try and break the cycles as much as you

494
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Speaker 4: can whilst still giving a dog the adequate amount of

495
00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:16,400
Speaker 4: exercise and just a you know, sidebar walking a dog

496
00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:18,480
Speaker 4: is kind of the worst way to give a dog exercise,

497
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Speaker 4: just quietly. This is kind of a dog training thing

498
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Speaker 4: because you have to walk the same amount of steps

499
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Speaker 4: that your dog does. And it's not that like fulfilling

500
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Speaker 4: for your dog. There's there's so many other things that

501
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Speaker 4: you can do with your dog to to fulfill them

502
00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:38,479
Speaker 4: quicker and and like actually fulfilling them properly based on

503
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Speaker 4: what you know, what their breed was meant to do,

504
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Speaker 4: like for example, with a beagle. You know, walking is

505
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Speaker 4: actually kind of good because there's a lot of things

506
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Speaker 4: to smell. But I'm sure what's your beagles name? Sorry, Banjo,

507
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Speaker 4: that's right, love it, Banjo.

508
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Speaker 5: I'm sure would rather than going for a walk.

509
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Speaker 4: I'm sure he would rather, you know, do some sort

510
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Speaker 4: of puzzle where he has to you know, follow a

511
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Speaker 4: scent for you know, twenty five minutes until he finds

512
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Speaker 4: the big thing at the end, you know, and training

513
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Speaker 4: him to do that like that would burn his energy

514
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Speaker 4: a lot quicker.

515
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Speaker 5: Than going for a walk would.

516
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Speaker 4: Or you know, if you have a board a collie

517
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:10,400
Speaker 4: going and running and you know, playing fetch or doing

518
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:12,639
Speaker 4: obedience or doing things like that that use your dog's

519
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Speaker 4: brain and their body.

520
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Speaker 5: But that's a bit of a sidebar.

521
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Speaker 3: But oh, I love it.

522
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Speaker 1: And I was just thinking, I'm my god, what can

523
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Speaker 1: we do with Banjo, because honestly, when you do take

524
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Speaker 1: him for a walk, the whole time he's like a

525
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Speaker 1: vacuum cleaner. So he's got his nose on the ground

526
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Speaker 1: for the hour that he's walking, and.

527
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Speaker 5: He's just sounds beagles.

528
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Speaker 4: Beagles I find probably one of one of the hardest

529
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Speaker 4: dogs to walk on a lead because they are so

530
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Speaker 4: motivated to smell.

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Speaker 5: So I much prefer to. You know, if I want to.

532
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Speaker 4: Take a beagle for a walk, I would way rather

533
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Speaker 4: just like, I'm going to give you some sort of

534
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Speaker 4: scent based game to do. First, get you sniffing like crazy,

535
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Speaker 4: and then maybe we'll go from a walk once you're

536
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Speaker 4: all sniffed out. It's basically like give it providing an

537
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Speaker 4: outlet for the behavior. It's the same I guess with

538
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Speaker 4: with you know, my German shepherd. You know, I had

539
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,000
Speaker 4: lots of problems with him growing up. That's why I

540
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:05,920
Speaker 4: became a dog trainer, because you know, he had so

541
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Speaker 4: many issues, but figuring out a way to let him

542
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Speaker 4: be a German shepherd. He wanted to be a German

543
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Speaker 4: Shepherd at every dog like he wanted to bark and

544
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Speaker 4: lunch and go crazy at them. And then when I

545
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:16,080
Speaker 4: kind of came up with a game that we could

546
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Speaker 4: play where he could be that dog in the context

547
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Speaker 4: of the game, and then me being able to go, hey,

548
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Speaker 4: you have to stop that. Now we're going to go

549
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Speaker 4: for a walk, and you can't be a German Shepherd.

550
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Speaker 4: You've got to be you know, cavalier walking down the street.

551
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Speaker 4: And that was a complete game changer. That was kind

552
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Speaker 4: of what I base a lot of my training off

553
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:34,119
Speaker 4: and the way that I interact with clients now, but

554
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Speaker 4: in the context of babies, like figuring out, Okay, what

555
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 4: does my dog really want to do, Like what is

556
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Speaker 4: my dog bred to do?

557
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Speaker 5: And when people say like, oh.

558
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Speaker 4: You know, it's in my blood, I've got to go,

559
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Speaker 4: I've got to be a race car driver, or like

560
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:46,040
Speaker 4: I'm going to it's in my blood, I'm going to

561
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Speaker 4: be a skier. You know, maybe I don't know, if

562
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:50,199
Speaker 4: your dad was a skier, what, I don't know. But

563
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,679
Speaker 4: with dogs, it is literally in their blood to do

564
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,680
Speaker 4: certain jobs. They were bred over hundreds of years for

565
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Speaker 4: a purpose. Every dog basically was bred for a purpose.

566
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Speaker 4: And if we can figure out a way to kind

567
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:05,120
Speaker 4: of simulate or give them a surrogate activity for that

568
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 4: kind of innate genetic predisposition, if we can give them

569
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Speaker 4: something that that that satisfies that, it's a lot quicker.

570
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Speaker 5: Dogs are a lot.

571
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Speaker 4: Happier and we don't have to walk for like two

572
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 4: hours every day to burn burn their energy. We can

573
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 4: just give them that that activity off, they go beautiful

574
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 4: and then we come home. The dog will sleep for

575
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Speaker 4: the rest of the day. So figuring out that is

576
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:27,879
Speaker 4: also pretty helpful. But what goes back to your question

577
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Speaker 4: is is if suddenly again routines suddenly change when when

578
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 4: the baby comes home, then the dog can be like, well,

579
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Speaker 4: it's walktime, what are we doing? And I'm more pushy,

580
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 4: more jumpy, and you know, if it's meal time, it's

581
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:42,639
Speaker 4: like it's five thirty, it's we've got to eat. The

582
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 4: dog starts pushing you a little bit. That can also

583
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:50,160
Speaker 4: create create some issues and you know, and and and yeah,

584
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 4: create some problems in the in the household.

585
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:52,120
Speaker 5: For sure.

586
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Speaker 1: You mentioned breeds and you know it might break the internet,

587
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Speaker 1: but like, have you got breeds that you more concerned

588
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Speaker 1: about around kids or owners have to do a lot

589
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 1: more training around kids.

590
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't.

591
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Speaker 4: I am a dog trainer, so I do love all dogs.

592
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:15,959
Speaker 4: But like I guess, statistics don't really they don't. They

593
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 4: don't lie in a sense. Dogs that are bred for

594
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 4: conflict and dogs that are bred who are originally bred

595
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,960
Speaker 4: for conflict and bread for to fight are going to

596
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,679
Speaker 4: be more likely to fight. And dogs that are more bred,

597
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,479
Speaker 4: you know, if they feel threatened to go outwards and

598
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:34,399
Speaker 4: attack the thing, compared to dogs that are you know,

599
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,359
Speaker 4: over aren't bred to do that will most likely run away.

600
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Speaker 4: So any kind of like, like I guess, any kind

601
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Speaker 4: of ideally I mean not ideally, but but more generally

602
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:49,440
Speaker 4: is dogs that are bred for conflict and fighting, things

603
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 4: like pitbulls, staff is, Saffie's bullies, any and like a

604
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 4: lot of these types of dogs, they when they feel threatened,

605
00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:00,719
Speaker 4: they don't go like, oh, leave me alone, and they go, oh,

606
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 4: I feel threatened, Let's fight, Let's go. And that's that's

607
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,680
Speaker 4: part of the reason why I do love pit bulls

608
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 4: and I do love all bully breeds is because there's

609
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 4: so much fun. You can have a lot of fun

610
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 4: with them, playing tug of war and really really like

611
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,120
Speaker 4: you can wrestle them. It's great, it's so much fun.

612
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 4: But in terms of safety for the child they we

613
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 4: do see that pit bulls are the most likely to

614
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 4: bite children. They have by quite a long shot. And

615
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 4: I don't want people to kind of gum and af

616
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,399
Speaker 4: after me for that because it's true. But bulls pipples

617
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 4: are great dogs. And I'm not trying to say, you know,

618
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 4: they're bad dogs, and training and all of these different

619
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:40,639
Speaker 4: things can help stop that, but that those are the

620
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 4: dogs that we see more likely to bite for sure.

621
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Speaker 4: And you know dogs are get scared and run away,

622
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 4: you know, fight and fly. There's going to be dogs

623
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,439
Speaker 4: that are more likely to fly and run away compared

624
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,399
Speaker 4: to dogs that are more likely to fight when they

625
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 4: feel threatened. You know, German shepherds are on that list.

626
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,640
Speaker 4: I have one. He's asleep on the ground right now

627
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 4: and never had any issues with my son whatsoever. But

628
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,639
Speaker 4: there's definitely more of a genetic predisposition there that people

629
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 4: can't kind of argue with.

630
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:08,159
Speaker 5: Sally.

631
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:10,439
Speaker 3: Let's talk about the.

632
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Speaker 1: Signs that you're You mentioned before that you know a

633
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 1: baby and toddler they can't tell the dogs stress signals.

634
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:20,959
Speaker 1: And I didn't even know about the looking the nose thing.

635
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 1: But are there other things that you know a parent

636
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,360
Speaker 1: should be aware of so they can intervene.

637
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, and this is one of the most important things,

638
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:32,680
Speaker 4: and it's Yeah, it's one of the first things that

639
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 4: I teach kind of all my clients, and that one

640
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:37,920
Speaker 4: of the main things obviously, apart from the growling and

641
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 4: the you know, snarling and the snappings, hard staring things

642
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 4: like that that people generally know, you know, tail tuck

643
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 4: between the legs and hiding in a corner. Generally people

644
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 4: are all over that. It's more of the subtle ones.

645
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 4: Stiffness is a big one. So if the dog goes

646
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 4: like very very stiff and isn't moving and it's just

647
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 4: you know, obviously just static in its position, generally not

648
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 4: a good sign, especially if that's paired with kind of

649
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 4: looking at the baby or looking at the scary thing

650
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 4: out of the corner of their eyes. This is known

651
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 4: as whale eye because you can see a lot of

652
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 4: the whites in the dog's eyes when they're doing that.

653
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 4: You know they're looking out of the corner of their eye.

654
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 5: They've gone all stiff. Maybe their ears are going back.

655
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 4: It's a subtle sign, but generally that is the dog

656
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 4: kind of deciding, Okay, I don't know how I feel here?

657
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 5: What do I do? Somebody help me.

658
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 4: If somebody doesn't give me instruction of what's going to happen,

659
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 4: or if this thing doesn't go away, I might take

660
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,479
Speaker 4: matters into my own hands, because you know, it's not

661
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 4: reading what I'm putting down, right, it's not reading my

662
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 4: body language. So stiffness and whale ears pinned back, other

663
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 4: kind of non like harder to kind of recognize ones

664
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 4: actually is it.

665
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 5: Yawning is a big one.

666
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 4: Generally this is a sign that the dog was like,

667
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 4: oh that was a little bit stressful and I'm feeling

668
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 4: a little bit better now, But a yawn like humans

669
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 4: do it as well. I do it all the time

670
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 4: in like social interactions or whatever. If I'm feeling a

671
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 4: little bit kind of socially anxious or whatever, I'll do

672
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 4: you know, pretend you're on and just like, oh yeah,

673
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 4: people do it, I do it, and dogs one do it.

674
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 5: Obviously that the nose lick.

675
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 4: But then the big one that I see, especially with

676
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 4: children is appeasement licks. So the dog actually licking the

677
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 4: baby itself can be a signal that a dog is

678
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 4: quite stressed, threatened and is kind of trying to appease

679
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 4: to the baby, like.

680
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 5: Hey, look I'm really friendly, please please be nice to me.

681
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 4: And you see, this is the big one that I

682
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 4: see all the time on social Media's is you know,

683
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 4: they get the baby, the baby's there and the dog

684
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 4: is kind of licking the baby, and the parents are going,

685
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 4: oh my god.

686
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 5: They love each other. They're kissing. How good is that?

687
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 4: And it's and it's like, no, your dog is actually

688
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 4: trying for help and once wants to create space, and

689
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 4: doing that is like, hey, can you please please be

690
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 4: nice and leave me alone?

691
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 5: Like I'm not a threat.

692
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 4: So that that's a really really big one and very

693
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 4: much like kind of mis see you buy a lot

694
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 4: of people.

695
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 1: God, I did not know that I would have been

696
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 1: one of those people looking at that on Instagram thinking

697
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 1: how cute, although I would have thought no, no, the

698
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 1: dog's mouths are disgusting.

699
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, they are pretty gross. Humans are Human mouths

700
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 4: are grosser.

701
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 3: Though, Oh yeah, it's all gross.

702
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 1: So we've talked a lot about newborns, but we'll have

703
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 1: some people here that perhaps listening to the kick because

704
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 1: they've got a newborn, but they've also got a toddler.

705
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 1: So what are some because they are totally unpredictable. At

706
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 1: one minute, they could be sitting down, the next minute

707
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 1: they're actually.

708
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 3: Just lying on top of the dog, you know.

709
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 1: They You just you've got to be aware when a

710
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 1: toddler's around. So what sort of things do you think

711
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 1: people should do there?

712
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like again, supervision is a big one, separate like

713
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 4: dogs spaces and child's spaces, setting up baby gates, you know,

714
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 4: setting up areas of the house and boundaries where the

715
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 4: dog is not allowed to go. Like for example, my house,

716
00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 4: I've got a stairway up there, and my dog's not

717
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 4: allowed to go up there because I wanted to keep that,

718
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 4: you know, a dog free zone so I don't have

719
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 4: to vacuum it like every single day because I've got

720
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 4: a German shepherd, but like we want that area to

721
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 4: be both clean and also someone that I can you know,

722
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 4: I can close the baby gate.

723
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 5: My son's up there, he's chilling, he's running around. There's nothing.

724
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 4: I don't have to constantly be looking for him and

725
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 4: checking like, oh, where's the dog, where's the baby, Whe's

726
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 4: the dog. Gives me some peace of mind, gives my

727
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 4: dog some peace of mind because he doesn't he can

728
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 4: actually go into an actual deep sleep without kind of

729
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 4: looking around like is there a baby? You gonna crawl

730
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 4: near me and things like that or run on top

731
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 4: of me? But yeah, went toddlers, you know, that's that's

732
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 4: when they start to become curious. That's when they start

733
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 4: running around. They love to you know, they're wobbly on

734
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 4: their feet, they fall over a lot. You know, dogs

735
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 4: don't understand's like why why did you just run up

736
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 4: and hit me like that, Like and the kid. The

737
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 4: kid wasn't trying to it just tripped over and fell

738
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 4: onto the dog or whatever. Or you know, saw a

739
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 4: bit of fluff and tried to grab it and happened

740
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 4: to be the dog's tail, and and and all these

741
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 4: different things that like, you know, your dog's like what

742
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 4: is going on here? So I guess again with with

743
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 4: these types of things in terms of like, it's mostly management,

744
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 4: so stopping these things from happening and teaching the child

745
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 4: as soon as you can, like, hey, the dog space

746
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 4: is you know sacred. You don't you don't run into

747
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 4: the dog onto the dog's bed. And this is a

748
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 4: this is a rule that that my friend Panos from

749
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 4: Nuta's Pooches down in Sydney, if anyone's in Sydney, is

750
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 4: a great dog trainer. But he says, no dogs on

751
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 4: kids play mats and no kids on dog beds, and

752
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 4: just make that a rule from as early on as

753
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,479
Speaker 4: you can, with you know, baby gates to start with,

754
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 4: or you know, playpens and things like that, but then

755
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,959
Speaker 4: also like crates for dogs as well, create training your

756
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 4: dogs so that they can sleep, they buy themselves away

757
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 4: from you know, distractions and things like that, and gives

758
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 4: them their own little space. I could talk about create

759
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 4: training for hours, but I won't bore you with it.

760
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 5: But it is.

761
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 4: It is a really, really, really powerful management tool that

762
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 4: if we you know, if all dogs will create train,

763
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 4: we would see a lot less behavioral problems cross the

764
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 4: board from separation, anxiety, resource guarding, reactivity, aggression, hyper stimulation,

765
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 4: all of these different things. Could create helps with a

766
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 4: lot of those different things. And you know, like people

767
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,319
Speaker 4: feel a bit strange about putting the dog in a cage.

768
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 4: I understand. I was the same when I got my dog.

769
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 4: I was like, there's no way I'm putting my dog

770
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 4: in a cage. It's a dog, Like, what are you serious?

771
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 4: Two years in I was like, okay, I need, I

772
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 4: need to create train my dog. And I did, and

773
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 4: it's made life so much easier.

774
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:28,839
Speaker 5: So I do.

775
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 4: I do recommend it, and not just for your child's benefit,

776
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 4: but also for your dog, so they can your things

777
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 4: are getting a bit overwhelmed. Maybe you've got maybe you've

778
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 4: got your kid's friends are over or whatever, they're all

779
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:41,439
Speaker 4: running around. Your dog's like, okay, this is this is fun,

780
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,240
Speaker 4: but like I need some space it gives them that space.

781
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 4: And then you just tell every single child that comes

782
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 4: in the house, Okay, if the dog's in the crate,

783
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 4: that means that they want some of their own space.

784
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 4: Don't go and pet the dog when they're in there.

785
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 4: Don't try and stick your fingers through the cage.

786
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 5: Just leave it. Yeah, don't torm it, don't bash the side.

787
00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 4: Obviously, it becomes a very safe kind of sleeping arrangement

788
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 4: for the dog and then also away for your dog

789
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 4: to retreat. So that that's something I want recommend people doing,

790
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 4: is is if it's not a crate, you know, at

791
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,840
Speaker 4: least having an area where your child isn't allowed to

792
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:14,840
Speaker 4: be in and a place where your dog can.

793
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:15,399
Speaker 5: Just go and hang out.

794
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 4: Like I've I've got a client at the moment who's

795
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 4: their dog likes to go on the balcony, so they

796
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 4: just put a doggy door and the dog goes through

797
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 4: and goes on the balcony when it needs space. And

798
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,840
Speaker 4: it's fine, dog likes to chill out there. But you know,

799
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,320
Speaker 4: people that don't have balconies don't have that kind of space.

800
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 4: A crate is the best, the best thing that you

801
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 4: can possibly do.

802
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:34,400
Speaker 1: There can I just do you mean a crate that

803
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: actually has a dog door that gets shut after the

804
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 1: dog or is this just an area that the dog

805
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:41,720
Speaker 1: can come and go.

806
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:46,280
Speaker 4: There, like like you know, a crate with with doors

807
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 4: on either side that that that you can lock the

808
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 4: dog inside the crate, especially for like things like.

809
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 5: Transport.

810
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 4: So if you're if you're getting trying to go from

811
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 4: A to B, a crate is one of the safest

812
00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 4: things that you can put your dog in because it

813
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 4: stops a dog flying out through the windscreen if you

814
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:03,839
Speaker 4: get into a crash, and protect them on other sides,

815
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 4: if you are in a crash, if it dog goes

816
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 4: to a vet, you know they lock them, they have

817
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 4: to lock them in cages because they kind of just

818
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 4: dogs running around while they're doing surgery. So a crate,

819
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 4: you know, if one it prepares your dog for all

820
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 4: those different things. But then you know, teaches the dog

821
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,359
Speaker 4: to be alone is another big one. So if they

822
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,399
Speaker 4: go into their crate and you cover it and they

823
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 4: become comfortable with that, that's something that you can take

824
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,800
Speaker 4: with you everywhere you go to an airbnb, you go camping,

825
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 4: or whatever.

826
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 5: You just bring that crate, you cover it.

827
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 4: The dog's like, oh, I'm home, cool, I can actual

828
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 4: fully reset, fully relax, and then, like I said, with

829
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 4: the separation anxiety stuff, if it's like if you want

830
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 4: to be able to just chill out and not have

831
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 4: the dog jumping up on you, you're trying to feed

832
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 4: the dog or must feed the dog, feed the baby,

833
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 4: or you know, do tummy time or something, and you

834
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 4: don't want to keep being like hey back, go go away.

835
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:50,799
Speaker 5: Stop. You can just put your dog in the crate.

836
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 5: They'll sleep. They'll actually have like a deep sleep, which

837
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 5: is rare for dogs, especially during the day.

838
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 4: And it just gives them, you know, it gives you

839
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 4: that management, gives you this base, gives the dog, you know,

840
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 4: the space, gives the baby, the safety. Yeah, it's a

841
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 4: it's a very very handy tool to have.

842
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:12,760
Speaker 1: One thing that I sort of really puzzles me and

843
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:16,320
Speaker 1: it worries me, is that if if a dog does bite,

844
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 1: and often not because they sought that personal child or

845
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 1: whatever to bite it, you know, they've they've been scared,

846
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 1: it's been a reaction and they've they've bit in a

847
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 1: hand or whatever.

848
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 3: Is that what do you do with that dog?

849
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 5: Now?

850
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, it's that's a tricky one because it is

851
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 4: it is a very like case by case basis kind

852
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 4: of kind of thing, like if your dog is seeing

853
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 4: a child as prey, that is that is Unfortunately, that

854
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 4: is one of one of the only probably the only

855
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 4: blanket rule that I have is like that, that is

856
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 4: a euthanasia case one. We can't we can't have dogs

857
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 4: that are actively seeking kids to hunt like that.

858
00:37:59,320 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 5: We can't.

859
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 4: We can't have that. And they do exist, these types

860
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,879
Speaker 4: of dogs, and you know, they shouldn't have been bred

861
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 4: in the first place. So it comes back to the

862
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,319
Speaker 4: to the breeder of the dog and you know, the

863
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 4: way the dog was raised, but mostly mostly it's.

864
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 5: Genetics there that that shouldn't be.

865
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 4: That shouldn't be a dog that we have anywhere, even

866
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 4: behind a gate, because you know that's one you know,

867
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 4: gate left open away from from being a very very

868
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 4: big problem. So so dogs seeing kids as prey as

869
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 4: an absolute no. However, you know, I was with the

870
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:36,360
Speaker 4: dog on Sunday and this dog was a pretty extreme

871
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 4: resource guarter and you know, food was around, we were

872
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 4: doing some work, and then it just got a little

873
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 4: bit over threshold and just tried to eat me basically

874
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 4: like you had on a lead, and I was like, okay,

875
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 4: you're trying to eat me. I'm just gonna pop you

876
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 4: into crate for a little bit. Popped in the crate

877
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 4: fifteen minutes later, took it out and it was just

878
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:51,879
Speaker 4: like licking me and jumping up and trying to play

879
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 4: with me again. So dogs have like they don't hold

880
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 4: grudges like that. But and sometimes it is very much

881
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 4: like a case by case basis and a situation based

882
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 4: and a lot of it comes back to proper management

883
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 4: and good training. But it's a very difficult one to

884
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 4: kind of answer. But most of the time, you know,

885
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 4: if a dog bites a child, that's the relationship between

886
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:17,359
Speaker 4: the family and the dog kind of ruined anyway. And

887
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 4: most of the time, you know the dog might might

888
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 4: the damage is already done and the best thing would be,

889
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 4: you know, a new start potentially for that dog and

890
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 4: in a different home away from kids or whatever that

891
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 4: might be.

892
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 5: But it's a very it's a very tough it's very

893
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 5: tough conversation to have.

894
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 4: And I did actually have one last week with a

895
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 4: with a with a family and you know, I told

896
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:43,399
Speaker 4: them like, hey, we're going to do everything that we can.

897
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 4: It's going to be a lot of work. This is

898
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 4: the things that we have to do, and it's going

899
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 4: to be you know, potential stress for you, a lot

900
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 4: of work for you, a lot of work for the dog.

901
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:53,919
Speaker 4: Or we could put this dog in a home where

902
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 4: it doesn't have to do any work, hangs out with

903
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 4: you know, the owner they have you know, they have

904
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 4: more land, they can run around, they can do what

905
00:39:58,600 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 4: they want, there's no kids around.

906
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 5: So that it's a lot less stressful. So finding that balance.

907
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 4: Look, people have this this idea that that rehoming your

908
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 4: dog is like the worst thing that you can possibly do,

909
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 4: and it's like you're a bad owner because your dogs

910
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:15,360
Speaker 4: are forever. Yeah, yeah, exactly, and they get yeah, one

911
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 4: hundred percent. But dogs are adaptable.

912
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 5: You know.

913
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 4: They have dogs that come and stay with me. The

914
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 4: first night, they maybe whimper a little bit in the crate.

915
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 4: The next day they're happier, they're like, of course, my

916
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:25,760
Speaker 4: new house, I'm fine, that's awesome.

917
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 5: They adapt really quickly.

918
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 4: They can be just they can be even more happy

919
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 4: in a different home. And sometimes you keeping your dog

920
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 4: in the house is the selfish and kind of dangerous

921
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 4: thing to do in some cases, but most of the time.

922
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:41,799
Speaker 4: This can be done through you know, this can be

923
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 4: these issues can be resolved through proper training and through

924
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:46,760
Speaker 4: proper preparation and management.

925
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 3: I know we've talked about all the things that you

926
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 3: know can go.

927
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 1: Wrong with the dog, but having a dog in the home,

928
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 1: I mean, we've always had a dog in the home.

929
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 3: And we just love it.

930
00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 1: We love the the feeling that a pet brings to

931
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:04,840
Speaker 1: the house and some of the memories that we've got

932
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 1: of the kids playing with the various dogs that we've

933
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 1: had along the way, because they don't last as long

934
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 1: as we want them to, unfortunately not. So you know,

935
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 1: if I can find the video, it might even post it.

936
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 1: But it's one of one of the kids. He's got

937
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 1: our old black lab, So that's old, like she would

938
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 1: have been about twelve by the time that our third

939
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 1: son came along. And so he's there and he's got

940
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:34,240
Speaker 1: Marley and he's wrapping Marley's poor with a bandage, saying

941
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 1: and you can't believe in understanding, but he's like, you know,

942
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 1: she's got a very sore leg and I'm making it

943
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 1: better and it's just so gorgeous.

944
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 3: I love it so much.

945
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 4: Look some of the like, yeah, my camera roll on

946
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:48,359
Speaker 4: my phone is mostly just my dog and baby doing

947
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 4: cute stuff together. Yeah, like my baby kind of hanging

948
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:54,399
Speaker 4: off the side of his high chair just feeding him

949
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 4: a little bit of steak and I'm like, oh, well, yeah, rules.

950
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:01,959
Speaker 1: But putting that steak back into his mouth.

951
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 5: No, my dog doesn't let him do that. It's good.

952
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 5: It's straight out of his fingers. It's done, but in

953
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 5: a weird way, you know.

954
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 4: That's We actually use this in dog train It's called

955
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 4: the leaky toddler. It's basically if a dog's kind of

956
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 4: a bit nervous around new people that come in the house,

957
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 4: If you walk in with food and just let food

958
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 4: kind of drip behind you and just like drop pieces

959
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,839
Speaker 4: of kibble or whatever without paying attention to the dog,

960
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 4: it's like the dog goes, oh, this is food coming

961
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 4: out of this person. And it's the exact same is

962
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:32,800
Speaker 4: when a toddler's in a high chair there's food flying everywhere,

963
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 4: and the dog's just like, I love this kid. This

964
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 4: is the best thing ever.

965
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 1: Actually, but that's a plus when the kid, the toddler

966
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 1: is starting to learn to feed themselves and most of

967
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 1: it's ending up on the floor. If you've got a

968
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 1: dog that's sort of cleaning up for you.

969
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 4: Oh my god, yeah, it's kind of gross. My dog

970
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 4: Like I used to let him kind of just like

971
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 4: clean my son as well.

972
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 5: It's food all down his chest. He'd come and just

973
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:01,399
Speaker 5: lick him. And we breaking some rules there.

974
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 1: But you know, so tell me, you know you being

975
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:08,840
Speaker 1: a dog lover and a dog trainer, what is someone

976
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 1: was to take away something about our episode, What is

977
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 1: one of the most important rules that you've implemented in

978
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 1: your own home?

979
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 5: Boundaries?

980
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 4: I think setting boundaries is and and a lot of

981
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 4: times people kind of think boundaries are generally associated with like, oh,

982
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 4: you're being mean to your dog, like you just let

983
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:28,359
Speaker 4: them do what they want. I want not at all.

984
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 4: A lot of dogs thrive under having some like really

985
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 4: strict boundaries and rules and kind of expectations within the house.

986
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:36,439
Speaker 5: It provides structure for them.

987
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 4: It creates like rigidity for them, and so things like,

988
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 4: for example, no no jumping up. You can't if you

989
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 4: especially if you're holding a baby and the dogs jumping

990
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 4: up on the baby, that is that is that can

991
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 4: be very dangerous. So teaching a dog you're not allowed

992
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 4: to jumping up to jump up that is that is

993
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 4: a rule that we need to be quite consistent with. Obviously,

994
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 4: you know, no jumping up on the couch if you're

995
00:43:57,640 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 4: trying to feed the baby, or jumping up on the

996
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:01,799
Speaker 4: bed if you're trying to feed the baby, or if

997
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,320
Speaker 4: the baby's doing tummy time and you know your dog's

998
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 4: running in and being all kind of you know, a

999
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 4: bit too crazy and shredding up the toys and things

1000
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:09,319
Speaker 4: like that.

1001
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 5: Having some boundaries within the house is can.

1002
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 4: Set you up for a lot of like a much

1003
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:19,840
Speaker 4: better relationship and weigh less potential issues. Part of my

1004
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 4: like my business, my like my slogan is kind of

1005
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 4: like control is freedom. So if you have more control

1006
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 4: of your dog, that's more freedom that you can give them.

1007
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:33,879
Speaker 4: So that means less gates, less leashes, less playpens, because

1008
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 4: your dog can move around do what they like within

1009
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 4: the rules of the house, like within you know, the

1010
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 4: expectations that you set and you know you could just

1011
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 4: tell you okay, no, you're not allowed to do that,

1012
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 4: but you can do pretty much everything else. Rather than

1013
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:48,360
Speaker 4: being like, oh, my dog's doing that, so then to

1014
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 4: stop them, I'm going to you know, permanently put them

1015
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 4: in the create or permanently tie them to stuff to like,

1016
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 4: you know, tether them to furniture. Then the whole dog's

1017
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 4: life has become smaller, where you could have just said, hey,

1018
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 4: you're just not allowed to do that specific thing. Everything

1019
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 4: else is fine.

1020
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 5: You're just not.

1021
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:04,760
Speaker 4: Allowed to jump up on me, or you're not allowed

1022
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 4: to jump up on the bed, for example. So boundaries

1023
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:12,240
Speaker 4: really really important. I guess the other thing for people,

1024
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 4: anyone that is expecting a baby is actually preparing your

1025
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:20,359
Speaker 4: dog for the sights and sounds of a baby. Like

1026
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 4: you know, we can't we can't prepare them for the

1027
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 4: smell of a baby, because you know that's going to

1028
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 4: come on the day. But but the actual visuals of

1029
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 4: holding a baby in your arms, very often dogs like,

1030
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:32,319
Speaker 4: oh what have you got? And they run over and

1031
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 4: they want to investigate, they want to see what it is.

1032
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 4: And so generally what I recommend people doing is to

1033
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 4: get a fake baby, like a like a doll, and

1034
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 4: literally walk around the house holding the baby, right, fake baby,

1035
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 4: and letting your dogs see that, so that that it

1036
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 4: doesn't become this like whoa what is that on the

1037
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:53,919
Speaker 4: day that you actually bring the baby home. So having

1038
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,760
Speaker 4: a you know, a fake baby swallowed up and talking

1039
00:45:56,760 --> 00:46:00,959
Speaker 4: to the baby like like is real like and because

1040
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 4: often the way that you talk to a baby is

1041
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:03,240
Speaker 4: how you talk.

1042
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 5: To your dog. Like you're like, oh baby, what's going on?

1043
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 4: Your dog goes, well, it's that and it comes flying over.

1044
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 4: Then that again, that can cause some issue. So getting

1045
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 4: a dog like what's called desensitized to those the sites

1046
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:18,240
Speaker 4: and then also the sound, so like you know, babies

1047
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:22,359
Speaker 4: trying sounds like screaming, sounds, things like that that can

1048
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 4: be quite stressful. Dogs have really really good ears, and

1049
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 4: labradors actually have the best ears out of any dog

1050
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:31,839
Speaker 4: breedser Yeah that's a fun fact as well. But their

1051
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 4: ears are quite sensitive, and you know, if there's a

1052
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:37,240
Speaker 4: some scream, they can go, what is that that sounds scary?

1053
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 4: I'm going to run over to it and see what

1054
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 4: it is and investigate. So what I tell my clients

1055
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 4: to do and what I do as part of my

1056
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:47,879
Speaker 4: course is we play sounds of babies crying and then

1057
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 4: just reward the dog for having heard the sound.

1058
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 5: So you hear a crying sound, you get a treat.

1059
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 4: Or you see me holding a fake baby and talking

1060
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 4: to it, and you remain calm, you get a treat,

1061
00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 4: so they create a positive association, but they go, oh,

1062
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 4: this is just normal. You do this all the time,

1063
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 4: like this is kind of just background noise. And then

1064
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 4: when you bring your baby home from you know, the

1065
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 4: hospital or the birthing place or whatever, or you bring

1066
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 4: your dog back home to your house and you're holding

1067
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 4: this baby, the dog goes, oh, yeah, cool whatever before yeah,

1068
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 4: doing that thing again that you know. Sometimes I get treats,

1069
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 4: so it's positive association, but the dog's like, yeah, whatever,

1070
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:21,399
Speaker 4: I don't care about it.

1071
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 5: And I did a lot of this with my dog.

1072
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 5: I kind of went a bit overboard.

1073
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 4: But the day that we brought my baby home, my

1074
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 4: dog was lying on his bed and he was asleep

1075
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 4: and he woke up. We kind of opened one eye

1076
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:33,279
Speaker 4: and saw that it was carrying the baby. Went oh cool,

1077
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 4: and I went back to sleep and it was perfect.

1078
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 4: I just like sat down on the couch and I

1079
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 4: was like, I was quite stressed for this moment, to

1080
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:42,839
Speaker 4: be honest, and then it happened. I was like, oh

1081
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 4: my god, the preparation actually paid off. How good is that?

1082
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 5: I love it.

1083
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 1: How you just say you just say no to the dog,

1084
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 1: Like the beagle. Our beagle is so stubborn that I

1085
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 1: think I need more help than just me saying no

1086
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 1: to the dog. So and you mentioned course, so tell

1087
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 1: us more about that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So my Safe Start course it's basically how to

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Speaker 4: introduce your dog to your newborn safely. It takes you

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Speaker 4: through all the kind of preparation learning about dog stress signals,

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Speaker 4: developing good communication with your dog so that you can

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Speaker 4: tell them you know, when something's cool and when something's fine,

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00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:20,359
Speaker 4: and developing that good kind of trust and that line

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Speaker 4: of communication. We talk about building separation skills, so teaching

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Speaker 4: a dog to be okay behind those closed doors and

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Speaker 4: teaching it all that the independence that they need. We obviously,

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Speaker 4: because it's a dog dog training thing we have, there

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Speaker 4: has to be some obedience as part of it. So

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Speaker 4: we teach to the essential skills that you need that

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Speaker 4: makes life with your baby so much easier, things like

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Speaker 4: walking next to a pram, being able to send your

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Speaker 4: dog to a bed and to lie down and stay there.

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Speaker 5: That's a really big one.

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Speaker 4: And then also teaching like just a general like a

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Speaker 4: way so if the dog's kind of investigating the baby

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Speaker 4: getting a bit too closed, you can go, oh, way,

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Speaker 4: and then all goes all right, cool, I have to

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Speaker 4: stay a certain distance from the baby for the next

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Speaker 4: little while. We go through all of the sites, the sounds,

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Speaker 4: and the baby movements and desensitize all of that stuff.

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Speaker 4: We teach boundaries, and we do actually kind of show

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Speaker 4: you how to communicate to a dog no, because it's

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Speaker 4: not you kind of say the word no and expect

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Speaker 4: the dog to go like, oh, sorry, yeah, I'll take

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Speaker 4: that on board.

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Speaker 5: Yeah I want to do that. Sorry about that, mate.

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Speaker 4: There's you know, there are ways we have to communicate

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Speaker 4: it in a way that a dog understands, not just

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Speaker 4: the way a human would like to, you know, be understood.

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Speaker 4: And then obviously we go through the all important kind

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Speaker 4: of first few days, on first few weeks of when

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Speaker 4: you do bring that baby home. I mean, it's it's

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Speaker 4: tailored for people that are preparing to have their baby,

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Speaker 4: but if you do have a baby, there's a lot

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Speaker 4: of information in that to help you with you know,

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00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:49,840
Speaker 4: your current situation and where you are, and you know,

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Speaker 4: just especially the stress signal stuff. I think that's a

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Speaker 4: really really important one. Learning a dog's sensitivities, figuring out

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Speaker 4: like and this is something we didn't really talk too

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Speaker 4: much about. But like if you dog it doesn't like

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Speaker 4: being touched on the hind quarters, doesn't like loud noises,

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Speaker 4: and you know, there's this new baby, and all of

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Speaker 4: a sudden, this new baby is making lots of noises

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Speaker 4: and touching the hind quarters.

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Speaker 5: That's known as trigger stacking.

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Speaker 4: So there's a few kind of stimulus stimuli going on

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Speaker 4: at the same time that that all elicited a little

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Speaker 4: bit of a bit of a stressful response from your dog.

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Speaker 4: Yet all those three things happening at the same time,

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Speaker 4: and then we haven't what's what looks like an overreaction

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Speaker 4: when in reality it's just a whole bunch of like

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Speaker 4: three different things building up. So we talk about that

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Speaker 4: as well. And yeah, obviously that the long term success.

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Speaker 4: You know, you have access to me as a trainer.

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Speaker 4: You can talk to me whenever you're part of a

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Speaker 4: Facebook group. It's a yeah, it's a great little little

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Speaker 4: course and.

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Speaker 5: A great little community that we're building. So yeah, oh

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Speaker 5: well done.

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Speaker 3: That sounds really needed.

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Speaker 1: And you know, it helps to make sure that people

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Speaker 1: aren't in the dark when they bring their baby home

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Speaker 1: to their gorgeous dog, because that's how we feel well.

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Speaker 1: So if you have given us so much information in

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Speaker 1: that and we have really spoken about more, I'll put

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Speaker 1: a link in our show notes to that course, because

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Speaker 1: I think everybody should do it. If they've got a dog,

1158
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Speaker 1: you know, they want to keep themselves and their babies safe.

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Speaker 1: So get onto it and have a little look. But yes,

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Speaker 1: thank you for sharing your time with us to go

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Speaker 1: through all of this. It's been amazing.

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Speaker 4: Oh anytime, honestly, and I mentioned this in the email

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Speaker 4: that I sent, but you guys were more massive for

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Speaker 4: us when we were having our baby. Oh, when we

1165
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Speaker 4: were pregnant and we me and my wife would alternate episodes.

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Speaker 4: I was like, I'll watch the odd ones, you'll watch

1167
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 4: the even ones, and then we'll report back tonight and

1168
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Speaker 4: talk about what we've learned so we can get through

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Speaker 4: as many episodes as we can. And yeah, it was

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Speaker 4: a very very helpful source of information for us.

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Speaker 5: And yeah, we are.

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Speaker 4: I'm a bit spion. I didn't get to meet Obstrician

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Speaker 4: doctor Patrick. That's okay, I'm sure I'll see him around.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, good on your sub Thanks so.

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Speaker 5: Much, Thank you so much, Thanks for listening everyone.

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Speaker 1: I've got so much out of our chat with Sam,

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Speaker 1: and I know so many of our listeners grapple with

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Speaker 1: how to balance a household with babies, toddlers, and children

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Speaker 1: and their pets, so I hope you've got some tips

1180
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Speaker 1: too from this episode as well. If you love this episode,

1181
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 1: please share with a friend and come back for more.

1182
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Speaker 1: Until then, we'll be back in your ears next week.

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Speaker 1: Keep well, keep growing those babies life.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 1: Hey, even though doctor Pat is well a doctor and

1186
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Speaker 1: we get lots of other doctors and other experts on

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Speaker 1: our podcast, I just need to remind you that this

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Speaker 1: podcast is for informational purposes only. We share lots of

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Speaker 1: medical insights and experience, but everything we talk about is

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Speaker 1: general in nature and may not apply to your specific situation.

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Speaker 1: Please always consult with your own healthcare provider for your

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Speaker 1: individual medical advice when you grow your baby