WEBVTT - Bed Shaming & A Terrible Excuse To Skip Your Son’s Wedding 0:00:03.080 --> 0:00:05.720 Hello, and welcome to Mom and Mia out Loud. It's 0:00:05.760 --> 0:00:07.920 what women are talking about on Monday, the twenty fifth 0:00:07.920 --> 0:00:09.440 of May. I'm Holly Wainwright. 0:00:09.720 --> 0:00:10.840 I'm Claire Stevens. 0:00:11.039 --> 0:00:12.080 I'm Amelia Lester. 0:00:13.320 --> 0:00:14.760 Big weekend, didn't we, Holly? 0:00:15.320 --> 0:00:20.759 Please? Did we? We're keeping some pretty pretty incredible company. 0:00:21.000 --> 0:00:23.600 You had lunch on Friday with Jacinder a day. 0:00:23.640 --> 0:00:24.880 Can you tell me everything? 0:00:25.079 --> 0:00:29.360 Yeah, So, so we'll go chronologically because Holly's is more exciting, 0:00:29.400 --> 0:00:33.640 but mine did happen earlier in the day. So on Friday, 0:00:33.960 --> 0:00:37.400 I was at a lunch for my wonderful publisher Alan 0:00:37.440 --> 0:00:40.880 and Unwin because the author Lily King, who wrote Heart 0:00:40.920 --> 0:00:44.400 the Lover, which a lot of out louders have read 0:00:44.680 --> 0:00:47.240 because I think Jess and I both recommended it to death. 0:00:48.200 --> 0:00:50.279 So she was in Australia for Sydney Ryders Festival and 0:00:50.320 --> 0:00:52.360 it was a lunch for her and Ja Cindra Adurn 0:00:52.720 --> 0:00:55.160 is a fan of Lily King, so she just happened 0:00:55.160 --> 0:00:58.080 to be at this lunch. I said to her, like, 0:00:58.280 --> 0:01:00.000 I'm pregnant and I'm in my floppyre. 0:01:00.160 --> 0:01:01.280 You probably didn't need to tell. 0:01:02.280 --> 0:01:04.240 She's like, honey, I can see, but I was like, 0:01:04.280 --> 0:01:07.039 I can't believe you ran a country when you were this. 0:01:07.360 --> 0:01:09.840 What did she say? She said, she was like, well, 0:01:09.840 --> 0:01:11.360 you wouldn't do it if you didn't have to. 0:01:11.720 --> 0:01:13.920 Well, I know how Holly met her because I went 0:01:14.000 --> 0:01:16.520 to see Holly everything. 0:01:17.640 --> 0:01:20.080 I interviewed Justina on Friday night at the town Hall 0:01:20.120 --> 0:01:22.800 at Sydney town Hall. It was it was great. I 0:01:22.840 --> 0:01:25.680 was really nervous, really nervous, because this is the thing, right, 0:01:25.760 --> 0:01:28.160 we're just cinda fangirls. I'm on the record as being 0:01:28.200 --> 0:01:31.600 disinde fangirls. Not everybody is. In fact, I posted about 0:01:31.600 --> 0:01:34.760 my disinder experience on Friday, and I knew what would 0:01:34.800 --> 0:01:36.400 happen would happen, which is that you get a lot 0:01:36.400 --> 0:01:38.600 of people going yeah, yeah, amazing, and then the people 0:01:38.600 --> 0:01:41.000 come who are like, did you tell her that she's 0:01:41.080 --> 0:01:44.559 ruined everything? And so you know, like this is a politician. 0:01:45.760 --> 0:01:48.240 So I was very nervous about doing the interview. I 0:01:48.280 --> 0:01:50.400 was very nervous about the preparation. I was very nervous 0:01:50.400 --> 0:01:53.160 about all the things. But it actually went fine. 0:01:53.280 --> 0:01:56.760 With more than fine, Holly. There was laughter, there was tears, 0:01:56.840 --> 0:02:00.000 and you had the most amazing sparkly socks and Shinysue. 0:02:00.600 --> 0:02:01.240 She was great. 0:02:01.280 --> 0:02:01.720 It was good. 0:02:01.760 --> 0:02:03.960 But you know what, I only have one regret, and 0:02:04.120 --> 0:02:06.360 it's a good regret to have about any big event 0:02:06.520 --> 0:02:08.840 because it isn't about anything I said or did. It's 0:02:08.880 --> 0:02:10.760 about one thing about the way I looked. I didn't 0:02:10.760 --> 0:02:13.480 get my hair done, and so every time I look 0:02:13.520 --> 0:02:18.320 at the videos, I just see this massive, really frizzy 0:02:18.360 --> 0:02:20.840 hair and it's not important. That's not the important part. 0:02:20.960 --> 0:02:22.760 The important part is what you say. But then you 0:02:22.760 --> 0:02:24.960 look at the videos and you're like, why didn't I 0:02:25.040 --> 0:02:25.959 get my hair done? 0:02:26.320 --> 0:02:30.359 Jacinda got her hair done well on Friday. I relate 0:02:30.400 --> 0:02:34.679 Holly because I got a photo with Lily King and 0:02:34.720 --> 0:02:38.560 jacindra I durn and Luke Bateman, who's the book was 0:02:38.639 --> 0:02:41.880 so very important, very very exciting, and you know, when 0:02:41.880 --> 0:02:44.960 you're just not having the day to get the photos, 0:02:45.040 --> 0:02:46.639 I was like, these photos are all terrible, but I 0:02:46.760 --> 0:02:49.800 have to post them because when else is this gonna happen. 0:02:50.080 --> 0:02:52.440 But I did say to Jacinda, I said, you're meeting 0:02:52.560 --> 0:02:55.280 my lovely friend Holly tonight because she's interviewing you. And 0:02:55.360 --> 0:02:57.200 Jacinda said her questions are brilliant. 0:02:57.520 --> 0:02:57.680 Oh. 0:02:57.880 --> 0:03:00.639 So me and Jacinda were talking about your friend, Holly 0:03:00.800 --> 0:03:01.600 is what happens? 0:03:01.680 --> 0:03:01.840 Oh? 0:03:02.720 --> 0:03:06.000 All right, here's what's made our agenda for today. Is 0:03:06.120 --> 0:03:08.440 there such a thing as a good reason for your 0:03:08.520 --> 0:03:11.760 dad to miss your wedding? What about trying to broker 0:03:11.760 --> 0:03:14.600 a peace deal? Yes, we are talking about the Trumps. 0:03:15.360 --> 0:03:20.239 Plus the childwive conversation is everywhere from publishing to sixty minutes. 0:03:20.360 --> 0:03:23.160 We can't look away. But what does it really say 0:03:23.320 --> 0:03:23.919 about us? 0:03:24.560 --> 0:03:27.320 And I'm bringing something new. We can blame celebrities for. 0:03:27.680 --> 0:03:31.400 Hurrah, But first, Klaus Stevens. 0:03:31.800 --> 0:03:34.520 Taylor Swift, and Travis Kelcey were in the front row 0:03:34.680 --> 0:03:37.960 of an NBA game in Ohio on Saturday night, and 0:03:38.080 --> 0:03:40.560 I just want to play you a moment of commentary 0:03:41.240 --> 0:03:45.520 and ask if you notice anything interesting about it. 0:03:46.640 --> 0:03:49.280 Well, Travis Kelcey and his fiance here of the game. 0:03:49.640 --> 0:03:52.720 Travis kelce that's good to have him here, at Ohio native, 0:03:52.760 --> 0:03:55.480 a Cleveland native, taker heights. 0:03:56.280 --> 0:03:57.200 He's an Ohio boy. 0:03:57.520 --> 0:04:01.920 Needless to say, the ovation was pretty good. In any 0:04:02.280 --> 0:04:06.280 I didn't say the name of Travis Kelce's fiance. 0:04:07.280 --> 0:04:10.440 They could mention that Travis Kelcey was from Ohio, but 0:04:10.560 --> 0:04:14.200 they couldn't mention that her name is Taylor Swift and 0:04:14.240 --> 0:04:16.120 you may know her as one of the best selling 0:04:16.640 --> 0:04:20.000 artists of all time or the highest grossing live music 0:04:20.080 --> 0:04:20.520 artists on the. 0:04:20.560 --> 0:04:22.279 Thing may have been proving a point. 0:04:23.160 --> 0:04:27.680 So there are all these theories going around about why 0:04:27.880 --> 0:04:32.360 they wouldn't name her, and no one has actually offered 0:04:32.360 --> 0:04:36.440 an official explanation from ESPN or the announcers or anything 0:04:36.480 --> 0:04:40.000 like that, so it's just speculation. But there's a bit 0:04:40.080 --> 0:04:41.640 of a theory that they were making a point that 0:04:41.680 --> 0:04:44.799 they didn't want it to become a big celebrity. 0:04:44.839 --> 0:04:48.200 Like distract what has happened with the NFL with football, 0:04:48.320 --> 0:04:51.400 which is that because of course Travis is a footballer, 0:04:51.760 --> 0:04:56.680 Taylor attends his games sometimes and in the NFL there 0:04:56.800 --> 0:04:59.680 was there were complaints from the fan base that they 0:04:59.720 --> 0:05:03.680 were turning the games into these Taylor Swift spectacles. So 0:05:03.880 --> 0:05:06.200 maybe the basketball people are trying not. 0:05:06.279 --> 0:05:11.520 To do that, which I say, any Taylor Swift spectacle amazing. 0:05:11.880 --> 0:05:14.400 Well, you can tell that the hype is ramping up. 0:05:14.480 --> 0:05:17.160 Those two are going out a lot in New York 0:05:17.240 --> 0:05:19.520 this because it's leading into the northern summer, of course, 0:05:19.880 --> 0:05:21.760 and so I'm seeing them everywhere, and the hype is 0:05:21.800 --> 0:05:24.280 building because we all know the wedding is any minute. 0:05:24.360 --> 0:05:26.240 It's very it looks. 0:05:26.080 --> 0:05:29.200 Like Sleeping Beauty now, like you know the Sleeping Beauty 0:05:29.279 --> 0:05:34.120 Disney movie. She's got the very, very thick fringe. She 0:05:34.320 --> 0:05:36.719 just looks like a beautiful startled sawn. 0:05:37.320 --> 0:05:40.240 I have never related to her before, but I related 0:05:40.400 --> 0:05:43.240 hard at this game, because what did Travis douclaire. 0:05:43.640 --> 0:05:45.360 Travis chugged a beer. 0:05:45.440 --> 0:05:47.760 He chugged a beer, he stood a fourth quarter, he 0:05:47.960 --> 0:05:51.599 encouraged applause and chugged a beer in one and Taylor 0:05:51.640 --> 0:05:54.800 Swift just had to sit there like, yeah, this is 0:05:54.880 --> 0:05:56.840 my dude, And I was like hard. 0:05:56.920 --> 0:06:03.440 Related was buried hands and she was visibly cringing, and 0:06:03.600 --> 0:06:06.159 I was like, that's love, that's true love. 0:06:06.279 --> 0:06:09.840 Also, how wild is it that three years ago, I 0:06:09.960 --> 0:06:13.720 think three years ago, at this very time, she was 0:06:13.920 --> 0:06:19.039 dating a man who is sort of the exact opposite 0:06:19.240 --> 0:06:24.440 of Travis Kelcey. I refer, of course, to frontman of the. 0:06:26.640 --> 0:06:30.200 Yes, who famously is so pretentious that he only writes 0:06:30.240 --> 0:06:35.320 on a typewriter. Although I'm sure he's a Northern Englishman. 0:06:35.320 --> 0:06:37.200 I'm sure he does like his football to a point. 0:06:37.279 --> 0:06:39.880 He doesn't chug beers at games like this is in 0:06:40.000 --> 0:06:43.160 fact speaking of the Other thing that I saw that 0:06:43.320 --> 0:06:46.160 was very like hard relate on the weekend was also 0:06:46.279 --> 0:06:49.400 Prince William was at a football game for his team 0:06:49.440 --> 0:06:51.400 aston Villa. It is not clear why he supports them. 0:06:51.400 --> 0:06:54.720 They're from Birmingham. That's a long story. Normally Royal people, 0:06:54.800 --> 0:06:58.040 posh people support Chelsea or like some posh Anyway, they 0:06:58.120 --> 0:07:00.679 won a really important European game and there is video 0:07:00.800 --> 0:07:04.480 footage of William filming it and declining a call from Cape. 0:07:04.720 --> 0:07:09.600 Oh my god, and I was like, that is everybody 0:07:10.040 --> 0:07:12.280 when they are in the middle of being embodied in 0:07:12.400 --> 0:07:13.720 their joy and they're like, no, not. 0:07:13.880 --> 0:07:16.840 Now, dull, not now, dull. We'll call you when I 0:07:16.880 --> 0:07:20.320 have a chance. I also loved they got footage of 0:07:21.760 --> 0:07:24.680 Taylor and Travis sitting there. Travis says, do you have 0:07:24.720 --> 0:07:27.800 any gum? She passes gum from her bag and says 0:07:28.360 --> 0:07:32.960 last one, And it was very like maternal but also 0:07:33.520 --> 0:07:37.240 like there was a slight annoyance that's like, it's the 0:07:37.360 --> 0:07:40.600 last fricking one taking my gum. Now you're so annoyed, 0:07:40.680 --> 0:07:42.760 but also have the gum because you just chugged a bet. 0:07:42.800 --> 0:07:43.560 Yeah exactly. 0:07:44.720 --> 0:07:47.920 So last Wednesday's show, we solved a dilemma about a 0:07:48.000 --> 0:07:49.880 woman who didn't want to go to her friend's wedding 0:07:49.920 --> 0:07:52.480 because it was going to make her feel bad. Right, well, 0:07:52.560 --> 0:07:56.760 we have listeners in high places, because immediately afterwards, one 0:07:56.960 --> 0:07:59.520 Donald Trump decided there was a wedding that he didn't 0:07:59.520 --> 0:08:02.880 have to att and his sons. Look, we know that 0:08:02.960 --> 0:08:05.080 when it comes to news with the word Trump in it, 0:08:05.640 --> 0:08:09.040 there are many things we could talk about, many important things. 0:08:09.800 --> 0:08:11.880 But in the interest of not making everyone want to 0:08:11.920 --> 0:08:14.640 throw their phones out of the window right now, how 0:08:14.640 --> 0:08:18.080 about we settle on this one. Donald Junior, lovely guy, 0:08:18.200 --> 0:08:21.560 Lovely guy, got married on Saturday May twenty four. His 0:08:21.720 --> 0:08:24.920 lucky bride is Bettina Anderson, often most described as a 0:08:24.960 --> 0:08:29.080 model and socialite. Now, Don Junior lost his mum, Evana, 0:08:29.240 --> 0:08:31.120 four years ago, so it might have been nice for 0:08:31.200 --> 0:08:34.800 his dad to go to the wedding, but he didn't 0:08:34.960 --> 0:08:37.319 didn't want to go. And look, he did have an excuse. 0:08:37.440 --> 0:08:39.800 Here's what he said, wedding. 0:08:41.880 --> 0:08:44.240 He'd like, middy, go, I'm just going to be just 0:08:44.320 --> 0:08:46.800 a small, little private affair, and I'm going to try 0:08:46.880 --> 0:08:49.719 and make it. I'm in the midst, I said, you know, 0:08:49.880 --> 0:08:52.360 this is not good timing for me. I have a 0:08:52.440 --> 0:08:56.160 thing called the red and other things. That's when I 0:08:56.240 --> 0:09:00.000 can't went on. If I do attend, I get killed. 0:09:00.280 --> 0:09:02.840 If I don't intend, I get you by the fake years. 0:09:02.880 --> 0:09:07.040 Of course I'm talking about No. But he's a very 0:09:08.240 --> 0:09:11.280 person who I've known for a long time, and hopefully 0:09:11.320 --> 0:09:12.480 they're gonna have a great marriage. 0:09:13.800 --> 0:09:16.400 Do he just describe his son as a person I've 0:09:16.400 --> 0:09:17.960 known for a long time or. 0:09:18.200 --> 0:09:22.120 Was he describing them He describes his son as a 0:09:22.160 --> 0:09:23.480 person I've known for a long time. 0:09:23.800 --> 0:09:25.839 Look, I know it's really hard to put the trump 0:09:25.920 --> 0:09:27.680 of all this to the side, and maybe we can't, 0:09:27.720 --> 0:09:29.960 in fact, but if we try, if we really really try, 0:09:30.480 --> 0:09:32.880 aren't there some things more important than turning up to 0:09:32.920 --> 0:09:33.600 your son's wedding? 0:09:33.600 --> 0:09:37.000 Amelia, No, I think you just deranged in this take college? 0:09:37.240 --> 0:09:37.920 Like really? 0:09:39.160 --> 0:09:39.360 Yeah? 0:09:39.480 --> 0:09:43.160 Like what, well, here's what I wonder. Will you had 0:09:43.200 --> 0:09:46.360 an ear aware? So when Joe Biden was president, there 0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:49.439 was this this memo circulated that was actually from when 0:09:49.480 --> 0:09:52.679 he was vice president. This memo predated his presidency, that 0:09:52.880 --> 0:09:54.719 he'd sent out to all his staff that said this, 0:09:54.880 --> 0:09:56.319 he said, I would like to take a moment and 0:09:56.360 --> 0:09:59.360 make something clear to everyone. I do not expect, nor 0:09:59.440 --> 0:10:01.679 do I want any of you to miss or sacrifice 0:10:01.760 --> 0:10:06.360 important family obligations for work. Family obligations include, but are 0:10:06.440 --> 0:10:11.280 not limited to, family birthdays, anniversaries, weddings, any religious ceremonies 0:10:11.320 --> 0:10:14.679 such as first communions and bar mitsva's graduations, and times 0:10:14.720 --> 0:10:16.880 of needs such as illness or a loss in the family. 0:10:17.240 --> 0:10:20.520 This is very important to me, Biden said. In fact, 0:10:20.640 --> 0:10:22.320 I will go so far as to say that if 0:10:22.360 --> 0:10:26.040 I find out that you are working with me while 0:10:26.120 --> 0:10:30.480 missing important family responsibilities, it will disappoint me greatly. This 0:10:30.600 --> 0:10:33.120 has been an unwritten rule since my days in the Senate. 0:10:33.440 --> 0:10:35.160 Thank you for all your hard work, Joe. 0:10:35.360 --> 0:10:39.040 Okay, in retrospect, maybe some people should have missed some family. 0:10:42.120 --> 0:10:45.800 And then contrast this with a tweet from Don Junior 0:10:45.920 --> 0:10:49.079 himself back in the day, who once tweeted in twenty twelve, 0:10:49.360 --> 0:10:51.880 I'm at dinner with our greenskeeper who missed his sister's 0:10:51.920 --> 0:10:55.240 wedding to work. No big deal. Hopefully she'll have another 0:10:55.360 --> 0:11:00.599 someday celebrating the idea of working over family. So I 0:11:00.600 --> 0:11:03.720 don't know. I just wonder if we've got this cultural clash. 0:11:04.240 --> 0:11:08.040 No, see, I think if it was anybody else. Ironically, 0:11:08.280 --> 0:11:12.680 maybe if it had been Biden years before he was president, 0:11:13.160 --> 0:11:16.719 if it had been another politician who is known for 0:11:16.880 --> 0:11:20.280 how hard they work and their absolute dedication to their job, 0:11:20.960 --> 0:11:25.920 might be different. The funny thing about Trump is that 0:11:26.920 --> 0:11:29.960 since when does he need to miss things in order 0:11:30.040 --> 0:11:34.680 to be president? Like there's he has done the most ridiculous. 0:11:34.679 --> 0:11:39.600 He plays golf so often. Even the weekend of Don 0:11:39.679 --> 0:11:42.560 Junior's wedding this past weekend he was scheduled to go. 0:11:42.720 --> 0:11:46.280 To That's not fair. He was scheduled to go and 0:11:46.400 --> 0:11:48.480 play golf. It's a long weekend in the US, and 0:11:48.600 --> 0:11:52.280 that is his traditional long weekend was scheduled, which hugely 0:11:52.280 --> 0:11:54.520 on long weekend, you probably watched maths because that so 0:11:54.600 --> 0:11:56.160 much more important than Trump's golf. 0:11:56.360 --> 0:12:00.160 Not when I've got a long standing wedding invitation. That's 0:12:00.200 --> 0:12:00.400 the thing. 0:12:00.480 --> 0:12:03.559 He was scheduled till very recently to play golf, but 0:12:03.640 --> 0:12:06.760 then he canceled the golf because he had a thing 0:12:07.000 --> 0:12:09.600 called a run. What part of that do you not understand? 0:12:09.800 --> 0:12:12.000 But I think what happened is that somebody got in 0:12:12.040 --> 0:12:15.040 his ear and said, hey, mate, if you are missing 0:12:15.080 --> 0:12:16.600 your son's wedding, you can't. 0:12:16.440 --> 0:12:18.640 Somebody got in his ear? Is that an ear joke 0:12:18.760 --> 0:12:21.199 that you're making me clar he was shot in the ear. 0:12:21.360 --> 0:12:23.280 That's too soon, so insensitive. 0:12:23.400 --> 0:12:25.400 Look, I do have to say, I know you wanted 0:12:25.440 --> 0:12:27.679 to take the Trump out of it, but can I 0:12:27.840 --> 0:12:30.560 just provide a tiny bit of context on John Junior, 0:12:30.840 --> 0:12:33.199 because I think there's a case to be made that 0:12:33.480 --> 0:12:36.199 he might be Trump's least favorite son. 0:12:36.360 --> 0:12:39.800 Which is unfortunate because of the name, which is yeah, 0:12:39.840 --> 0:12:43.640 and for other reasons. And look, he's not He's not 0:12:43.800 --> 0:12:48.160 got a great track record sort of character wise. Just quickly, 0:12:48.960 --> 0:12:53.319 he did compare Syrian refugees to skittles, and he has hunted, 0:12:53.480 --> 0:12:59.319 among other animals, endangered Mongolian sheep, leopards, elephants, and a 0:12:59.400 --> 0:13:01.480 protected in a Venice lagoon. 0:13:01.720 --> 0:13:04.439 I didn't even know you could hunt in Venice lagoon. 0:13:04.480 --> 0:13:08.000 Like I said, lovely guy, lovely guy, No, I think, 0:13:08.200 --> 0:13:10.920 but none of those things would bother dom you Non Senior. 0:13:11.200 --> 0:13:12.080 No, that's true. 0:13:12.120 --> 0:13:15.839 But look, I can't believe I'm doing this. But it 0:13:16.080 --> 0:13:19.000 does look like Don Senior had a busy weekend because 0:13:19.040 --> 0:13:23.000 the iarandi that he references, it does look like it's 0:13:23.080 --> 0:13:27.000 about to happen and look, he did start the war 0:13:27.360 --> 0:13:30.280 that he is now negotiating the peace deal for so 0:13:30.400 --> 0:13:33.200 one might suggest that if he hadn't started the war, 0:13:33.440 --> 0:13:37.000 he could have attended the wedding. But retrospects is easy, 0:13:37.120 --> 0:13:39.120 isn't it. It's always easy to say in retrospect what 0:13:39.200 --> 0:13:41.280 you'd rather do. So we just heard him speak in 0:13:41.320 --> 0:13:43.160 a press conference and then he followed it up with 0:13:43.240 --> 0:13:44.439 a truth social post. 0:13:44.320 --> 0:13:46.800 Yea, which is like, in the amount of the amount 0:13:46.840 --> 0:13:50.000 of time you've spent releasing statements about this wedding, you 0:13:50.040 --> 0:13:52.960 should have just gone. But he's like, he would really 0:13:53.120 --> 0:13:55.520 like me to go, like my son really like me 0:13:55.640 --> 0:13:57.959 to go. And it's like yeah, because, which is weird. 0:14:00.000 --> 0:14:02.280 There's a power play right between the Donaldso is that 0:14:02.360 --> 0:14:03.839 Donald can be like, I don't have to come to 0:14:03.880 --> 0:14:04.280 your wedding. 0:14:04.559 --> 0:14:04.599 No. 0:14:05.120 --> 0:14:10.240 But the funny thing is that Donald Trump literally two 0:14:10.320 --> 0:14:13.720 weeks ago had an event to promote a future UFC 0:14:13.920 --> 0:14:17.000 about at the White House, Like he commits to things 0:14:17.400 --> 0:14:20.880 that are so ridiculous and unimportant cler and then I 0:14:21.040 --> 0:14:23.800 act like he couldn't possibly go to his son's wedding. 0:14:23.720 --> 0:14:26.600 Fly it's a really expensive right now. Have you noticed 0:14:26.640 --> 0:14:30.800 that he has a plane, and it was all quite quick. 0:14:30.840 --> 0:14:33.960 They got engaged in December. It's may look you got 0:14:34.040 --> 0:14:36.360 to get cheap airf as you have to book way ahead. 0:14:36.560 --> 0:14:38.600 So I'm just thinking that maybe he dropped the ball 0:14:38.680 --> 0:14:40.200 on the organizational part of it. 0:14:40.600 --> 0:14:43.800 My favorite part is that Mary Trump, donald Trump's niece, 0:14:43.880 --> 0:14:47.040 has come out and just stirred some shit, which is 0:14:47.080 --> 0:14:49.520 always really nice. She said, give me a break. He 0:14:49.640 --> 0:14:51.840 doesn't want to go because he can't stand his kid. 0:14:52.560 --> 0:14:54.760 And then she is a clinical psychologist. 0:14:54.920 --> 0:14:55.240 She is. 0:14:55.520 --> 0:15:00.920 She said he's incapable of loving, and but she also 0:15:01.360 --> 0:15:03.440 she basically said, and I think this is the point 0:15:03.480 --> 0:15:06.800 you're making as well, Amelia, which is, take one look 0:15:06.840 --> 0:15:09.680 at Donald Trump Junior. I don't particularly feel sorry for 0:15:09.800 --> 0:15:12.720 him in this situation. I'm not thinking that poor that 0:15:12.920 --> 0:15:15.280 poor man waiting for his dad. 0:15:15.600 --> 0:15:21.760 The projected ducks exactly after the break What celebrities have 0:15:21.960 --> 0:15:26.520 taken from us? Our obsession with celebrities has had a 0:15:26.960 --> 0:15:31.280 bad side effect, says celebrity Pempadgeley. It is robbed us 0:15:31.360 --> 0:15:36.440 of stories. Allow Penn to explain on his podcast pod Crushed. 0:15:36.800 --> 0:15:39.480 No, I definitely I've been thinking about this more and more, 0:15:39.720 --> 0:15:43.680 Like I when I watched things now. I'm sorry, I 0:15:44.000 --> 0:15:45.800 call it what it is. I feel like, I'm just 0:15:46.120 --> 0:15:47.480 all I can think of is like, oh, there's that 0:15:47.560 --> 0:15:51.840 famous person doing it, delivering a performance. I celebrity culture 0:15:51.920 --> 0:15:55.120 is actually like robbing us of stories because there's because 0:15:55.160 --> 0:15:57.960 you know, in some ways agreed, the craft of cinema 0:15:58.160 --> 0:16:00.720 is becoming more and more elevated. You know, people are 0:16:00.760 --> 0:16:03.160 getting more and more specialized, We're capable of. 0:16:03.200 --> 0:16:03.600 More and more. 0:16:03.680 --> 0:16:06.160 But the stories are full of the same celebrities. And 0:16:06.680 --> 0:16:08.360 I'm sorry, it's just like, let's be real, that's what 0:16:08.440 --> 0:16:11.200 we all think. We're like, Wow, yeah, Timmy Schallamay is 0:16:11.320 --> 0:16:12.200 killing this right now. 0:16:14.800 --> 0:16:19.040 What this Gossip Girl star just said really clicked something 0:16:19.160 --> 0:16:22.240 in my brain. It's why people loved Heated Rivalry. It's 0:16:22.280 --> 0:16:24.680 because we've never seen these actors before, so you could 0:16:24.680 --> 0:16:27.920 get fully immersed into the roles. It's why people are 0:16:28.000 --> 0:16:30.880 now loving the show off Campus, which I hear that 0:16:31.080 --> 0:16:33.960 you think is fantastic, and it's it's. 0:16:34.120 --> 0:16:37.840 You're not distracted by knowing these people, knowing anything about 0:16:37.840 --> 0:16:39.920 their lives. You just you just believe that it is 0:16:40.040 --> 0:16:41.040 the story exactly. 0:16:41.240 --> 0:16:43.880 Meanwhile, there is this huge debate right now over the 0:16:43.960 --> 0:16:47.720 forthcoming movie of the Odyssey. Much of that debate is 0:16:47.800 --> 0:16:50.560 deeply ridiculous, but nonetheless there is a debate that threatens 0:16:50.560 --> 0:16:53.400 to overshadow the movie. And that's got the most insane 0:16:53.480 --> 0:16:55.360 cast of all time. It's got mad Damon, it's got 0:16:55.360 --> 0:16:58.360 Anne Hathaway, it's got Charlie's throat, It's got Zendea. Now, 0:16:58.440 --> 0:17:01.320 speaking of Zendeia, this is I think he's onto something. 0:17:01.400 --> 0:17:06.200 If you look at the three biggest young actresses in 0:17:06.359 --> 0:17:09.600 Hollywood right now, arguably I think you would say they 0:17:09.680 --> 0:17:12.960 are Zendaya, they are Emma Stone, and they are Margo Robbie. 0:17:13.800 --> 0:17:16.159 We don't know a lot about these three women. I 0:17:16.200 --> 0:17:19.040 would say we barely know if Zendeia as married. We 0:17:19.160 --> 0:17:22.680 only recently learned Emma Stone's actual name is Emily and 0:17:22.880 --> 0:17:26.240 Margot Robbie has literally mentioned her baby in public once 0:17:26.440 --> 0:17:27.399 and it was in passing. 0:17:27.920 --> 0:17:33.280 And none of them I don't think have like active 0:17:33.960 --> 0:17:37.280 behind the scenes social media. Like they're very much like 0:17:37.800 --> 0:17:40.920 you know them from interviews where they don't give much 0:17:41.000 --> 0:17:43.640 away in terms of their personal life, right. 0:17:43.680 --> 0:17:46.720 Right, Who was Emmastone married to I barely know? And 0:17:46.840 --> 0:17:50.720 then compare say and Naomi Watson and Nicole Kidman Naomi Watts. 0:17:50.800 --> 0:17:52.440 I don't know a lot about what's going on in 0:17:52.520 --> 0:17:55.199 her life, but she just rather convincingly played Jackie Oh 0:17:55.280 --> 0:17:58.000 in one thing and then someone completely different than something else. 0:17:58.359 --> 0:18:00.720 And I would argue that Nicole Kidman is kind of 0:18:00.800 --> 0:18:03.359 playing the one role, which is rich lady in Ashore, 0:18:04.240 --> 0:18:07.680 and I wonder if she's capable or if we're capable 0:18:07.800 --> 0:18:09.920 of believing her in anything else. To be clear, she's 0:18:09.960 --> 0:18:12.440 got the acting chops, but it's about how we're receiving 0:18:12.480 --> 0:18:13.040 those roles. 0:18:13.720 --> 0:18:17.280 I don't understand why this is new, Like as in 0:18:17.480 --> 0:18:21.440 movie stars are as old as movies, Marilyn Monroe, Humphrey Bogart, 0:18:21.520 --> 0:18:24.639 Greta Garbo. Right, We've always been fascinated by famous people, 0:18:25.440 --> 0:18:27.159 and then the people get famous and we want to 0:18:27.200 --> 0:18:30.000 go see them in things. So that's like literally they'll say, 0:18:30.040 --> 0:18:32.720 can that person open a movie? And the more we 0:18:32.840 --> 0:18:34.960 know about them, the more likely they are to open 0:18:35.040 --> 0:18:39.240 a movie. So is this conversation about it's not about fame, 0:18:39.359 --> 0:18:41.920 it's about social media? Is that what we're saying? Because 0:18:42.000 --> 0:18:45.760 Margot Robbie, for example, in both her campaigns for Barbie 0:18:46.320 --> 0:18:49.680 and Wuthering Heights, was everywhere I looked for a year. Yeah, 0:18:49.880 --> 0:18:52.800 like everywhere I looked. So it's not like she's hiding 0:18:53.000 --> 0:18:57.280 and some kind of recluse. Is it about personal brand 0:18:57.520 --> 0:18:58.600 versus actor brand? 0:18:58.880 --> 0:19:02.480 Yeah, because I was thinking we used to what Penn 0:19:02.520 --> 0:19:06.040 Badgeley's saying, it used to be the complete opposite in 0:19:06.160 --> 0:19:08.639 that remember when there was an era of like the 0:19:08.720 --> 0:19:12.280 Love Actually movie and it's like you just had movies 0:19:12.520 --> 0:19:16.040 that that had so many big names in it you 0:19:16.160 --> 0:19:17.160 couldn't even count. 0:19:17.280 --> 0:19:19.240 And that's why we went to the movie that reached 0:19:19.359 --> 0:19:22.560 its nadea when there was the He's Just Not That 0:19:22.800 --> 0:19:26.119 into You movie, and then we thought we've gone too 0:19:26.200 --> 0:19:26.960 far as a culture. 0:19:26.960 --> 0:19:29.400 I don't think it's true. Look look at the Odyssey 0:19:29.640 --> 0:19:33.320 that's you just called out. Like every single famous actor 0:19:33.359 --> 0:19:35.440 in Hollywood wants to be in a Christopher Nolan movie. 0:19:35.480 --> 0:19:37.520 Everyone wants to be in White Lotus, everybody wants to 0:19:37.600 --> 0:19:41.040 be in whatever, and they're all campaigning for it. I 0:19:41.160 --> 0:19:44.879 think the difference is whether or not they do brand 0:19:45.000 --> 0:19:47.960 work as well as acting work, right. So one of 0:19:48.040 --> 0:19:50.879 the things that's interesting about the modern world is like 0:19:51.000 --> 0:19:53.520 all the celebrities have to be what we call diversified 0:19:53.680 --> 0:19:56.680 so as well as being an actor, it used to 0:19:56.720 --> 0:19:59.600 be a bit shameful to also have a tequila brand, 0:20:00.160 --> 0:20:02.320 a makeup line, be the face of this, the face 0:20:02.359 --> 0:20:06.320 of that. We've kind of done away with that judgment, 0:20:06.640 --> 0:20:08.639 and now I mean Margot Robert. He has a massive 0:20:08.680 --> 0:20:11.399 contract with Chanelle for example, you know, and we have 0:20:11.640 --> 0:20:14.480 Chalameaie was a really interesting example that badgely used there 0:20:14.560 --> 0:20:16.359 because he's trying to walk this line. 0:20:16.720 --> 0:20:17.399 He used to be. 0:20:18.040 --> 0:20:21.359 Until relatively recently, i'd say, very respected as an actor, 0:20:21.760 --> 0:20:24.240