1 00:00:11,104 --> 00:00:11,424 Speaker 1: So much. 2 00:00:11,464 --> 00:00:14,144 Speaker 2: You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. 3 00:00:14,784 --> 00:00:18,664 Speaker 1: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders 4 00:00:18,744 --> 00:00:26,744 Speaker 1: that this podcast is recorded on from MoMA Mia. Welcome 5 00:00:26,784 --> 00:00:29,544 Speaker 1: to this spill your daily pop culture Fixed. I'm Laura 6 00:00:29,544 --> 00:00:32,504 Speaker 1: Brodneck and I'm Mmmurnham and coming up on the show today, 7 00:00:32,744 --> 00:00:35,464 Speaker 1: Shonda rhimesis is something scandalous and we're going to get 8 00:00:35,464 --> 00:00:37,504 Speaker 1: into that. It's going to be very hot. Not to 9 00:00:37,584 --> 00:00:39,744 Speaker 1: up it too much, but you know, it's about sex events. 10 00:00:39,784 --> 00:00:42,104 Speaker 1: I feel kind of safe saying that. Appet Girl, and 11 00:00:42,264 --> 00:00:45,904 Speaker 1: also Mila Kunis and Ashton Kutcher have been not in 12 00:00:46,024 --> 00:00:48,304 Speaker 1: hiding exactly, but they've been out of a spotlight for 13 00:00:48,344 --> 00:00:51,944 Speaker 1: a long time. They have re emerged into society, but 14 00:00:52,104 --> 00:00:55,584 Speaker 1: there's some questions around how and what they did. So 15 00:00:55,584 --> 00:00:57,904 Speaker 1: we're going to get into that. But first, I understand 16 00:00:57,944 --> 00:00:59,104 Speaker 1: you have some breaking news for me. 17 00:00:59,384 --> 00:01:03,464 Speaker 3: But first I do have breaking news because popular YouTube 18 00:01:03,504 --> 00:01:07,184 Speaker 3: web series are now making bold moves that could impact 19 00:01:07,384 --> 00:01:10,984 Speaker 3: the Emmy race. So we all know that odd season 20 00:01:11,104 --> 00:01:12,864 Speaker 3: like we're kind of in the I guess the lull 21 00:01:13,264 --> 00:01:14,104 Speaker 3: of Awards. 22 00:01:13,784 --> 00:01:15,984 Speaker 1: Zeries I, so they're kind of lead into the nominations 23 00:01:16,104 --> 00:01:18,024 Speaker 1: is going to kick off soon. So and we've just 24 00:01:18,064 --> 00:01:19,864 Speaker 1: finished the whole big season that ends at the end 25 00:01:19,864 --> 00:01:21,184 Speaker 1: of January, so you're right. 26 00:01:21,144 --> 00:01:24,224 Speaker 3: Yes, by the time, the news cycle doesn't rest because 27 00:01:24,264 --> 00:01:29,184 Speaker 3: we have some hot news because Hot Ones, which is 28 00:01:29,424 --> 00:01:33,344 Speaker 3: a YouTube series. It's on the channel first Week Feast 29 00:01:33,384 --> 00:01:34,904 Speaker 3: and it's hosted by Sean Evans. 30 00:01:35,184 --> 00:01:36,304 Speaker 4: You definitely would have seen. 31 00:01:36,104 --> 00:01:39,944 Speaker 3: Clips of videos basically, so this guy, Sean Evans, he's 32 00:01:39,984 --> 00:01:43,264 Speaker 3: a brilliant interviewer. He sits down with the big celebrity, 33 00:01:43,264 --> 00:01:46,344 Speaker 3: a really trending celebrity, and they basically just eat hot 34 00:01:46,344 --> 00:01:49,984 Speaker 3: wings and the celebrity literally becomes undone in the moment. 35 00:01:50,304 --> 00:01:53,504 Speaker 3: And it's just a really funny, interesting new way to 36 00:01:53,624 --> 00:01:56,784 Speaker 3: interview these massive celebrities when they're trying to promote something. 37 00:01:57,224 --> 00:01:58,344 Speaker 4: It's on YouTube. 38 00:01:58,424 --> 00:02:02,264 Speaker 3: Every video of those like interviews gets like over a 39 00:02:02,304 --> 00:02:03,424 Speaker 3: million every song on them. 40 00:02:03,424 --> 00:02:04,184 Speaker 4: They're so good. 41 00:02:04,544 --> 00:02:07,944 Speaker 3: So the news is Sean's Evans show, Hot Ones, is 42 00:02:07,984 --> 00:02:10,184 Speaker 3: now going to be in the running for the Emmy 43 00:02:10,344 --> 00:02:13,584 Speaker 3: category for Outstanding Talk Series. So he's competing with the 44 00:02:13,664 --> 00:02:16,904 Speaker 3: likes of Jimmy Kimmel, Seth Mayer, Stephen Cobert, Jimmy Fallon, 45 00:02:17,344 --> 00:02:19,424 Speaker 3: the usual guys, and I feel like this is the 46 00:02:19,544 --> 00:02:23,264 Speaker 3: one category where it's always the same five people competing 47 00:02:23,264 --> 00:02:26,464 Speaker 3: with each other, and now there's fresh meat. So there's 48 00:02:26,464 --> 00:02:28,264 Speaker 3: been a lot of talks on if this is allowed, 49 00:02:28,304 --> 00:02:31,304 Speaker 3: why it's been allowed. Another piece of news is that 50 00:02:31,384 --> 00:02:33,984 Speaker 3: Emelian de Molderberg, who's also I guess an. 51 00:02:33,904 --> 00:02:36,824 Speaker 1: Interviewer yes, which can call her Yes. 52 00:02:37,104 --> 00:02:39,864 Speaker 3: She also has a YouTube series called Chicken Shop Dates 53 00:02:39,864 --> 00:02:42,944 Speaker 3: where she interviews celebrities and it's like very cute, quirky. 54 00:02:43,024 --> 00:02:45,024 Speaker 3: She's also going to be running in the Emmys as well. 55 00:02:45,384 --> 00:02:47,744 Speaker 3: So the news is basically that we're getting this kind 56 00:02:47,784 --> 00:02:52,104 Speaker 3: of new form of social media celebrity entering this world 57 00:02:52,184 --> 00:02:55,304 Speaker 3: of such old school celebrities. And I think it's something 58 00:02:55,344 --> 00:02:57,544 Speaker 3: that the award shows have been trying to do for 59 00:02:57,584 --> 00:03:00,144 Speaker 3: a really long time. We know that award shows are 60 00:03:00,184 --> 00:03:02,384 Speaker 3: sometimes a bit behind the curve when it comes to 61 00:03:02,464 --> 00:03:05,944 Speaker 3: trending things, like they've had issues with diversity and profiling 62 00:03:06,024 --> 00:03:08,944 Speaker 3: like people of color, especially women in certain categories, and 63 00:03:09,024 --> 00:03:11,584 Speaker 3: recently they've been trying to get a younger demographic. They 64 00:03:11,624 --> 00:03:14,224 Speaker 3: just haven't seen many young people take to them. Not 65 00:03:14,264 --> 00:03:16,584 Speaker 3: a lot of people young people are watching TV in general, 66 00:03:16,704 --> 00:03:18,784 Speaker 3: so they're trying to get that audience in. They're tredded 67 00:03:18,824 --> 00:03:22,344 Speaker 3: by having younger people host the red carpet. We've seen 68 00:03:22,344 --> 00:03:25,984 Speaker 3: Emma Chamberlain host the Met Awards, the Met Gala, We've 69 00:03:26,024 --> 00:03:29,784 Speaker 3: seen Amelia de Molnberg host the Oscars red carpet, and 70 00:03:29,824 --> 00:03:33,184 Speaker 3: I think bringing these younger shows is kind of gonna 71 00:03:33,304 --> 00:03:35,984 Speaker 3: catapult them into a younger audience. And I'm not sure 72 00:03:35,984 --> 00:03:37,304 Speaker 3: if they've really prepared for that. 73 00:03:37,744 --> 00:03:40,024 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm in two minds about it. In one hand, 74 00:03:40,064 --> 00:03:43,024 Speaker 1: I do honestly believe that, especially the talk show section 75 00:03:43,184 --> 00:03:46,584 Speaker 1: of award shows, has been dominated by mostly old white 76 00:03:46,584 --> 00:03:48,144 Speaker 1: men who have been their jobs for twenty years, and 77 00:03:48,184 --> 00:03:51,264 Speaker 1: they merited them. They're all the same. Half of them 78 00:03:51,264 --> 00:03:53,704 Speaker 1: are named Jimmy. The other half name names that sounds similar. 79 00:03:54,024 --> 00:03:57,624 Speaker 1: It's it's very kind of an old school situation. On 80 00:03:57,664 --> 00:03:59,344 Speaker 1: the other hand of that, and I said this before 81 00:03:59,344 --> 00:04:01,904 Speaker 1: on the pod, but I'm really against this rise of 82 00:04:01,984 --> 00:04:04,984 Speaker 1: gimmicky journalism and how it's taken over. 83 00:04:05,904 --> 00:04:06,944 Speaker 4: Gimmick journalists. 84 00:04:06,944 --> 00:04:09,024 Speaker 1: Well, haven't seen you do a full interview, So I'll hold. 85 00:04:08,784 --> 00:04:11,744 Speaker 4: My feel like I have mickey journalist potential, But. 86 00:04:11,824 --> 00:04:14,184 Speaker 1: I also I don't really want to put Hot Ones 87 00:04:14,184 --> 00:04:16,304 Speaker 1: and Chicken Shop Date in that category just because I've 88 00:04:16,344 --> 00:04:18,784 Speaker 1: listened to long form interviews with both of those creators 89 00:04:18,784 --> 00:04:22,024 Speaker 1: behind those two series and the thought and time that's 90 00:04:22,024 --> 00:04:24,024 Speaker 1: why think makes it stand out from just a gimmick 91 00:04:24,304 --> 00:04:26,304 Speaker 1: to a concept that you've put a lot of thought 92 00:04:26,344 --> 00:04:29,704 Speaker 1: and time into. And especially Amelia from Chicken Chop Date, like, 93 00:04:29,784 --> 00:04:32,304 Speaker 1: listening how she puts that show together is fascinating because 94 00:04:32,464 --> 00:04:34,704 Speaker 1: she will sit with that person, She'll study them for months, 95 00:04:34,704 --> 00:04:36,624 Speaker 1: which is what you do you're about to interview someone. 96 00:04:36,824 --> 00:04:39,384 Speaker 1: It cross any different medium. So I think if you're 97 00:04:39,384 --> 00:04:41,184 Speaker 1: putting that level of thought into it, I think you 98 00:04:41,224 --> 00:04:42,304 Speaker 1: should be in the Emmy's race. 99 00:04:42,624 --> 00:04:43,704 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm excited. 100 00:04:43,984 --> 00:04:46,664 Speaker 3: I think we're gonna see like, firstly, so many younger 101 00:04:46,664 --> 00:04:49,944 Speaker 3: people tune in, but then also so much more commentary 102 00:04:49,984 --> 00:04:51,904 Speaker 3: from younger people who are just going to be engaged 103 00:04:51,944 --> 00:04:52,504 Speaker 3: in watching it. 104 00:04:52,544 --> 00:04:54,104 Speaker 1: Or you see saying younger people is if that's not 105 00:04:54,144 --> 00:04:54,904 Speaker 1: your people. 106 00:04:54,744 --> 00:04:57,304 Speaker 3: Me myself, I can't wait to watch your wa shows 107 00:04:57,304 --> 00:04:59,744 Speaker 3: for the first time in my life. 108 00:05:00,904 --> 00:05:04,384 Speaker 1: So Shonda Rhymes one of the greatest TV and filmmakers 109 00:05:04,424 --> 00:05:05,464 Speaker 1: of all times. 110 00:05:05,224 --> 00:05:06,104 Speaker 4: The best of the best. 111 00:05:06,264 --> 00:05:08,064 Speaker 1: She's like the first woman to ever have a tea. 112 00:05:08,064 --> 00:05:09,624 Speaker 1: And I don't think many men have done this either, 113 00:05:09,744 --> 00:05:12,704 Speaker 1: to have three TV shows go over one hundred episode mark. 114 00:05:12,904 --> 00:05:16,224 Speaker 1: That never happens. So she is the creator behind shows 115 00:05:16,344 --> 00:05:19,504 Speaker 1: like Grey's Anatomy, I've heard of it, Private Practice, Scandal, 116 00:05:19,584 --> 00:05:21,464 Speaker 1: how to Get Away with Murder, and I feel like 117 00:05:21,464 --> 00:05:23,584 Speaker 1: she doesn't get enough credit for this one. She also 118 00:05:23,664 --> 00:05:26,184 Speaker 1: wrote the iconic Britney Spears film Crossroads. 119 00:05:26,344 --> 00:05:29,304 Speaker 4: Still haven't seen it what I know, Oh my god. 120 00:05:29,544 --> 00:05:32,144 Speaker 1: But also Bridgeton and Bridgeton, which is what she's out 121 00:05:32,144 --> 00:05:34,584 Speaker 1: doing the press cycle. So Bridgeton of the three seasons, 122 00:05:34,624 --> 00:05:36,864 Speaker 1: and also Queen Charlotte. She is the creator behind that. 123 00:05:36,984 --> 00:05:40,304 Speaker 1: From her shondaland everything she does, it's just I know 124 00:05:40,344 --> 00:05:42,784 Speaker 1: this woman and she just listened to her speakers so interesting. 125 00:05:43,024 --> 00:05:46,664 Speaker 1: But recently the Internet, of course, those touchy kids are 126 00:05:46,664 --> 00:05:49,144 Speaker 1: in uproar over something she said recently on the Jennifer 127 00:05:49,184 --> 00:05:51,624 Speaker 1: Hudson Show. So she was talking about all her different 128 00:05:51,624 --> 00:05:54,424 Speaker 1: TV shows and her process and all those smart things, 129 00:05:54,824 --> 00:05:57,224 Speaker 1: and then the end of the show, Jennifer said to her, 130 00:05:57,504 --> 00:05:59,424 Speaker 1: just to kind of get into that wish fulfillment of 131 00:05:59,504 --> 00:06:02,824 Speaker 1: these romantic shows that you create, which of these leading 132 00:06:02,864 --> 00:06:05,544 Speaker 1: men would you pick? And as she said it, a 133 00:06:05,704 --> 00:06:08,024 Speaker 1: image of all these men flashed up on the giant 134 00:06:08,064 --> 00:06:11,464 Speaker 1: screen behind them, on the screen for Shonda Rhimes to 135 00:06:11,544 --> 00:06:13,544 Speaker 1: choose which man she'd loved to have a bit of 136 00:06:13,584 --> 00:06:17,264 Speaker 1: sex with. You know, was Derek Shepherd from Grey's Anatomy 137 00:06:17,384 --> 00:06:20,744 Speaker 1: YEP played by Patrick Dempsey, and then Mark Sloan also 138 00:06:20,744 --> 00:06:24,024 Speaker 1: from Grey's Anatomy, played by Eric Deane, and then President 139 00:06:24,064 --> 00:06:26,544 Speaker 1: Fitz played by Tony Goldwyn of Scandal. 140 00:06:26,584 --> 00:06:28,544 Speaker 4: If you watch Scandal, I haven't watched Scandal. 141 00:06:28,664 --> 00:06:30,784 Speaker 1: He's the lead in it. He and Kerry Washington's characters 142 00:06:30,824 --> 00:06:33,784 Speaker 1: of the big love Story people are very very hot 143 00:06:33,824 --> 00:06:36,864 Speaker 1: for him. And then Detective Nate Lahy played by Billy 144 00:06:36,904 --> 00:06:39,344 Speaker 1: Brown from How to Get Away with Murder. And then 145 00:06:39,384 --> 00:06:42,184 Speaker 1: the last one rounding out the men who were flashed 146 00:06:42,264 --> 00:06:45,984 Speaker 1: upon screen was Simon, the Duke of Hastings from Bridgeton 147 00:06:46,104 --> 00:06:48,984 Speaker 1: Season one, played by Reggae Ejeen Page. 148 00:06:48,704 --> 00:06:50,344 Speaker 4: And still waiting for his big breaking. 149 00:06:50,504 --> 00:06:52,664 Speaker 1: Oh that poor kid. She defended him later on the show. 150 00:06:52,664 --> 00:06:55,144 Speaker 1: But anyway, here's what Shonda said, Before you. 151 00:06:55,144 --> 00:06:56,904 Speaker 3: Go, we want to ask you, if you had to 152 00:06:56,984 --> 00:07:01,224 Speaker 3: choose between your leading men, which will. 153 00:07:01,104 --> 00:07:03,224 Speaker 4: We your number one pick at olive these sooner. 154 00:07:06,784 --> 00:07:09,024 Speaker 1: Oh, I'm gonna have to see the duke. 155 00:07:10,984 --> 00:07:12,584 Speaker 2: That's a good choice. 156 00:07:12,384 --> 00:07:15,664 Speaker 1: Not because they're not all amazing, but because he was 157 00:07:15,824 --> 00:07:19,264 Speaker 1: such fantasy fulfilled kind of man, like he was perfect, 158 00:07:19,424 --> 00:07:20,304 Speaker 1: never got to have any. 159 00:07:20,184 --> 00:07:22,744 Speaker 4: Real flaws after we've gotten you know, got them all together. 160 00:07:22,904 --> 00:07:28,184 Speaker 1: So you look a bit upset because people outraged by this. Yeah, 161 00:07:28,224 --> 00:07:30,704 Speaker 1: the comments like I can't believe she chose him. He 162 00:07:30,824 --> 00:07:34,624 Speaker 1: was the worst one, like Patrick Dempsey McDreamy. He's right there, 163 00:07:34,784 --> 00:07:37,944 Speaker 1: ready to like be your perfect man. And when she 164 00:07:37,984 --> 00:07:39,664 Speaker 1: said like it's wish ful film, it like I get 165 00:07:39,704 --> 00:07:41,904 Speaker 1: that's the basis of the show. But also when she 166 00:07:41,944 --> 00:07:44,024 Speaker 1: said he didn't have any flaws, I'm like, I'm sorry. 167 00:07:44,024 --> 00:07:47,264 Speaker 1: He was awful to Daphane. Their wedding was very sad 168 00:07:47,304 --> 00:07:50,384 Speaker 1: and unromantic because of how he was reacting. And then yes, 169 00:07:50,384 --> 00:07:52,624 Speaker 1: they had a lot of hot sex during their first 170 00:07:52,904 --> 00:07:55,024 Speaker 1: couple of months of marriage, but after that it was 171 00:07:55,064 --> 00:07:57,424 Speaker 1: pretty horrific with her trying to like trap him into 172 00:07:57,504 --> 00:08:02,904 Speaker 1: having a baby and him and see of them living 173 00:08:02,944 --> 00:08:04,224 Speaker 1: separate lives in their house. 174 00:08:04,304 --> 00:08:07,504 Speaker 4: He's like number one guests lder and I was. 175 00:08:07,504 --> 00:08:09,464 Speaker 1: Like, oh, it seems like a pretty messed up relationship 176 00:08:09,504 --> 00:08:11,704 Speaker 1: to me. But all so, I guess she's saying he 177 00:08:11,784 --> 00:08:14,424 Speaker 1: never got to have any real flaws after the season ended, 178 00:08:14,424 --> 00:08:16,544 Speaker 1: because you know, you don't see him on screen again, 179 00:08:16,744 --> 00:08:19,024 Speaker 1: which she has defended him. She's like, I understand why 180 00:08:19,024 --> 00:08:21,344 Speaker 1: he walked away from that character, even though people are 181 00:08:21,424 --> 00:08:24,424 Speaker 1: upset because he had this perfect season. He wanted to 182 00:08:24,424 --> 00:08:26,584 Speaker 1: walk away after that. So like, that's nice of her 183 00:08:26,584 --> 00:08:28,464 Speaker 1: to say, because we know if she doesn't like someone, 184 00:08:28,464 --> 00:08:31,544 Speaker 1: Shonda Rhimes, she does say it publicly. RP Catherine Heigel's 185 00:08:31,544 --> 00:08:35,304 Speaker 1: career and no, she's doing fine now. So that was 186 00:08:35,344 --> 00:08:37,584 Speaker 1: her pick of the list and she's standing by it. 187 00:08:38,024 --> 00:08:38,744 Speaker 1: People are upset. 188 00:08:38,984 --> 00:08:41,264 Speaker 3: I think what's interesting about that choice as well, is 189 00:08:41,264 --> 00:08:44,744 Speaker 3: because the entire first season of Bridgeton, you were seeing 190 00:08:44,744 --> 00:08:46,824 Speaker 3: the Duke's flaws and then he became the good guy 191 00:08:47,024 --> 00:08:50,384 Speaker 3: at the end, where it's like the other men characters 192 00:08:50,424 --> 00:08:53,424 Speaker 3: like for example, Derek Shephard, like he was flawed in 193 00:08:53,464 --> 00:08:56,344 Speaker 3: the beginning where he was like making out and merited 194 00:08:56,384 --> 00:08:58,864 Speaker 3: but already married, and then he became the good guy 195 00:08:58,944 --> 00:09:00,864 Speaker 3: like really early on, so people are only seen the 196 00:09:00,864 --> 00:09:01,544 Speaker 3: good guy part. 197 00:09:01,864 --> 00:09:04,264 Speaker 1: Yeah, and President Fitz is married to someone else because 198 00:09:04,264 --> 00:09:06,224 Speaker 1: he's the president. He's got his own first lady during 199 00:09:06,384 --> 00:09:08,064 Speaker 1: the whole season, so a lot of people like, we 200 00:09:08,104 --> 00:09:09,824 Speaker 1: don't even want Olivia Pope to be with him. 201 00:09:10,344 --> 00:09:13,384 Speaker 4: The Duke wasn't like pre married. He just didn't like her. 202 00:09:15,064 --> 00:09:18,784 Speaker 1: He which is every kind which is what every kind 203 00:09:18,784 --> 00:09:21,384 Speaker 1: of You're like, Oh, they just you know, secretly they're 204 00:09:21,424 --> 00:09:24,064 Speaker 1: trying to protect me. No they're not. This is wish fulfilment. 205 00:09:24,264 --> 00:09:25,984 Speaker 1: So I wanted to ask you as we wrap up, 206 00:09:26,344 --> 00:09:29,024 Speaker 1: put you in shonder shoes, if you were to have 207 00:09:29,384 --> 00:09:33,224 Speaker 1: let's just say sex, okay, sex or a crush, a relationship, 208 00:09:33,264 --> 00:09:35,984 Speaker 1: whatever you want to say with anyone from the Shondahimes universe, 209 00:09:35,984 --> 00:09:36,584 Speaker 1: who would you pick? 210 00:09:36,624 --> 00:09:39,704 Speaker 4: Okay, I've got a niche. Niche one Princess Diaries two 211 00:09:40,024 --> 00:09:40,784 Speaker 4: Chris Pine. 212 00:09:40,984 --> 00:09:42,264 Speaker 1: You can't do movies. 213 00:09:42,384 --> 00:09:42,704 Speaker 5: Why not? 214 00:09:43,104 --> 00:09:46,544 Speaker 1: We're doing like the Shondaland universe of TV shows. But okay, 215 00:09:46,664 --> 00:09:47,464 Speaker 1: Chris Pine's sad. 216 00:09:47,984 --> 00:09:48,944 Speaker 4: No you know who else? 217 00:09:49,024 --> 00:09:51,024 Speaker 1: He's it bland in that. I guess their love story 218 00:09:51,064 --> 00:09:53,624 Speaker 1: is pretty good, and enemies to lovers love story is 219 00:09:53,664 --> 00:09:56,104 Speaker 1: the greatest thing that's ever happened. Something else trumps it, 220 00:09:56,384 --> 00:09:57,104 Speaker 1: the fact that. 221 00:09:57,264 --> 00:09:58,304 Speaker 4: They're not going to do. 222 00:09:58,464 --> 00:10:00,544 Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know, but if they do a 223 00:10:00,624 --> 00:10:05,504 Speaker 3: Princess Diaries three, they are both so good looking, like 224 00:10:05,584 --> 00:10:07,544 Speaker 3: they would nail that film. Like that is the one 225 00:10:07,544 --> 00:10:08,784 Speaker 3: thing that I'm pitching hard for. 226 00:10:08,944 --> 00:10:12,304 Speaker 1: Okay, put that on sh she was busy. Oh, I 227 00:10:12,344 --> 00:10:14,144 Speaker 1: feel like mine's a real basic bitch one to say. 228 00:10:14,184 --> 00:10:17,144 Speaker 1: Now let's go, I said Mark Sloan from Grey's Anatomy 229 00:10:17,584 --> 00:10:21,344 Speaker 1: by Eric Dean. He's so basic. But like the thing is, 230 00:10:21,384 --> 00:10:22,824 Speaker 1: he's not just a big. 231 00:10:22,784 --> 00:10:25,544 Speaker 4: Pik spoilers dies but when he died was. 232 00:10:25,504 --> 00:10:28,264 Speaker 1: For ten years. That was like that was really what's 233 00:10:28,304 --> 00:10:30,144 Speaker 1: the thing? I wouldn't think he was the sexiest one. 234 00:10:30,144 --> 00:10:32,104 Speaker 1: If he was just a beefcake and you only ever 235 00:10:32,144 --> 00:10:34,864 Speaker 1: saw him strutting over his shirt office, that's not sexy personality. 236 00:10:34,984 --> 00:10:37,664 Speaker 1: He was a funny, funny guy anyway, That's how I pick. 237 00:10:38,944 --> 00:10:40,424 Speaker 1: She's sticking with the Duke of Hastings. 238 00:10:40,784 --> 00:10:42,464 Speaker 4: Come on Shonder coming up. 239 00:10:42,504 --> 00:10:46,144 Speaker 3: After the break, Mila Kunis and Ashton Kutcher are back 240 00:10:46,144 --> 00:10:48,584 Speaker 3: out in the public. So what does this mean for 241 00:10:48,704 --> 00:10:51,064 Speaker 3: celebrities who endorse bad people? 242 00:10:53,504 --> 00:10:55,944 Speaker 1: So in September of last year, a very ugly news 243 00:10:56,024 --> 00:10:58,504 Speaker 1: story was flooding the headlines, and it was to do 244 00:10:58,664 --> 00:11:02,584 Speaker 1: with that seventies show actor Danny Masterson, who was originally 245 00:11:02,704 --> 00:11:05,624 Speaker 1: charged in June twenty twenty with three counts of rape 246 00:11:05,664 --> 00:11:08,984 Speaker 1: from alleged incidents that had taken place in the years prior, 247 00:11:09,424 --> 00:11:12,864 Speaker 1: and that court case ended in a mistrial, and then 248 00:11:12,984 --> 00:11:15,424 Speaker 1: he was brought back for a retrial of the case 249 00:11:15,424 --> 00:11:17,664 Speaker 1: where he was convicted of two counts of rape and 250 00:11:17,784 --> 00:11:20,264 Speaker 1: was sentenced to thirty years in prison. So that was 251 00:11:20,304 --> 00:11:22,704 Speaker 1: a really ugly story that played out, and ugly because 252 00:11:22,704 --> 00:11:25,744 Speaker 1: of what happened to these women, the statements that were released, 253 00:11:25,784 --> 00:11:28,344 Speaker 1: and the fact that they had been trying to bring 254 00:11:28,344 --> 00:11:30,184 Speaker 1: this to court and get him convicted for such a 255 00:11:30,224 --> 00:11:32,584 Speaker 1: long time. And for a long time, he had been 256 00:11:32,664 --> 00:11:34,624 Speaker 1: a golden boy of Hollywood. I mean he was on 257 00:11:34,704 --> 00:11:37,144 Speaker 1: that seventies show. He and Ashton Kutcher, who was co 258 00:11:37,264 --> 00:11:38,984 Speaker 1: star on that show, they were very close. He put 259 00:11:39,064 --> 00:11:41,304 Speaker 1: him on TV shows like The Ranch. He comes from 260 00:11:41,344 --> 00:11:43,904 Speaker 1: a big Hollywood family. All of his siblings or actors 261 00:11:43,904 --> 00:11:46,704 Speaker 1: on hit shows, and so he did seem a little 262 00:11:46,744 --> 00:11:49,944 Speaker 1: bit untouchable until this court case happened. But a story 263 00:11:49,944 --> 00:11:52,024 Speaker 1: that came out of that that was really talked about 264 00:11:52,024 --> 00:11:54,464 Speaker 1: the time was the fact that Ashton Kutcher and Milikunos, 265 00:11:54,464 --> 00:11:57,944 Speaker 1: who were both on that seventies show and obviously rekindled 266 00:11:58,024 --> 00:12:00,504 Speaker 1: their relationship many years later, they got married, they have 267 00:12:00,544 --> 00:12:03,504 Speaker 1: two little kids. It came out that they had both 268 00:12:03,504 --> 00:12:07,264 Speaker 1: written letters of support for Danny Masterson after he had 269 00:12:07,264 --> 00:12:09,104 Speaker 1: been convicted, so they were trying to get him a 270 00:12:09,184 --> 00:12:12,744 Speaker 1: lesser sentence, even he had been convicted of these horrible 271 00:12:12,944 --> 00:12:16,064 Speaker 1: counts of rape and sexual assault. Like Ashin Kutsch's letter 272 00:12:16,144 --> 00:12:18,384 Speaker 1: said that he's a role model, he's a great guy, 273 00:12:18,904 --> 00:12:20,824 Speaker 1: and he hopes that the judge will take this into 274 00:12:20,864 --> 00:12:23,384 Speaker 1: account and not give him a longer sentence. And then 275 00:12:23,424 --> 00:12:26,144 Speaker 1: Mila Kunis was saying that he's basically an older brother 276 00:12:26,184 --> 00:12:28,424 Speaker 1: to her and that they both talked to the fact 277 00:12:28,464 --> 00:12:30,704 Speaker 1: that he leads a drug free life and he's been 278 00:12:30,744 --> 00:12:33,344 Speaker 1: a great influence on them. And so they wrote these letters. 279 00:12:33,464 --> 00:12:35,064 Speaker 1: And they're not the only people who did, Like over 280 00:12:35,144 --> 00:12:37,544 Speaker 1: fifty people wrote letters for Dennie Masterson, and a lot 281 00:12:37,584 --> 00:12:39,064 Speaker 1: of them who were in Hollywood, but they were the 282 00:12:39,104 --> 00:12:42,064 Speaker 1: most high profile and it's pretty safe to say they 283 00:12:42,064 --> 00:12:44,304 Speaker 1: never thought these letters were going to be made public, 284 00:12:44,704 --> 00:12:46,784 Speaker 1: but because the request was put in like a freedom 285 00:12:46,824 --> 00:12:49,904 Speaker 1: of information request. The letters were made public, it came out. 286 00:12:50,384 --> 00:12:54,104 Speaker 1: It blew up into this whole huge situation, especially because 287 00:12:54,144 --> 00:12:56,624 Speaker 1: they had both stood like against this sort of stuff 288 00:12:57,144 --> 00:12:59,464 Speaker 1: in a way like Ashin Kutcher was the founder of 289 00:12:59,464 --> 00:13:02,904 Speaker 1: a charity against the sex trafficking of children and women, 290 00:13:02,904 --> 00:13:05,184 Speaker 1: which he had to step down from that charity and 291 00:13:05,184 --> 00:13:07,944 Speaker 1: step away from that work, and so all of that 292 00:13:07,984 --> 00:13:11,024 Speaker 1: blew up, and then they release an apologevity which also 293 00:13:11,064 --> 00:13:11,824 Speaker 1: didn't go over well. 294 00:13:12,224 --> 00:13:15,944 Speaker 5: They are aware of the pain that has been caused 295 00:13:15,984 --> 00:13:18,224 Speaker 5: by the character letters that we wrote on behalf of 296 00:13:18,264 --> 00:13:19,024 Speaker 5: Danny Masterson. 297 00:13:20,104 --> 00:13:21,184 Speaker 4: We support victims. 298 00:13:21,864 --> 00:13:24,064 Speaker 2: We have done this historically through our work and will 299 00:13:24,104 --> 00:13:26,064 Speaker 2: continue to do so in the future. 300 00:13:26,704 --> 00:13:29,064 Speaker 5: A couple months ago, Danny's family reached out to us 301 00:13:29,144 --> 00:13:33,664 Speaker 5: and they asked us to write character letters to represent 302 00:13:33,864 --> 00:13:37,024 Speaker 5: the person that we knew for twenty five years, so 303 00:13:37,064 --> 00:13:39,984 Speaker 5: that the judge could take that into full consideration relative 304 00:13:40,104 --> 00:13:40,904 Speaker 5: to the sentenzing. 305 00:13:41,824 --> 00:13:44,624 Speaker 2: The letters were not written to question the legitimacy of 306 00:13:44,664 --> 00:13:48,424 Speaker 2: the judicial system or the validity of the jury's ruling. 307 00:13:48,984 --> 00:13:52,944 Speaker 5: They were intended for the judgery and not to undermine 308 00:13:52,944 --> 00:13:56,504 Speaker 5: the testimony of the victims or rechhomicize them in any way. 309 00:13:56,664 --> 00:13:58,904 Speaker 3: I completely forgot about that apology video and now I 310 00:13:58,944 --> 00:14:02,664 Speaker 3: can actually visualize it hearing it. But what I remember 311 00:14:02,744 --> 00:14:06,104 Speaker 3: hating about that apology video was the way they explained 312 00:14:06,144 --> 00:14:09,744 Speaker 3: what these character letters do, and they were saying it 313 00:14:09,824 --> 00:14:12,424 Speaker 3: wasn't to take away from the voices of those women. 314 00:14:12,504 --> 00:14:15,064 Speaker 3: But I'm like, that's exactly what they do, their character 315 00:14:15,184 --> 00:14:18,904 Speaker 3: reference letters to send to the judge to influence the 316 00:14:18,984 --> 00:14:23,344 Speaker 3: judge's decision on how that person should like be jailed 317 00:14:23,424 --> 00:14:25,904 Speaker 3: or if not. And the fact that they said that 318 00:14:25,944 --> 00:14:28,344 Speaker 3: it wasn't meant to impact anything, I'm like, that's exactly 319 00:14:28,464 --> 00:14:29,744 Speaker 3: what they're meant to do. 320 00:14:29,864 --> 00:14:31,544 Speaker 1: The whole point of the letter is to give this 321 00:14:31,584 --> 00:14:35,024 Speaker 1: man a lesser sentence, which takes away from the victims 322 00:14:35,064 --> 00:14:37,904 Speaker 1: because the sentencing you get, especially if there's multiple women 323 00:14:37,904 --> 00:14:40,104 Speaker 1: involved in stuff like this, like you get a sentence 324 00:14:40,144 --> 00:14:41,904 Speaker 1: for each person, and that's to say, like, they do 325 00:14:42,024 --> 00:14:43,464 Speaker 1: this to you, so we will lock them away for 326 00:14:43,544 --> 00:14:45,304 Speaker 1: this amount of time. You can't just put them all 327 00:14:45,344 --> 00:14:47,864 Speaker 1: into one event, like you need to be tried separately 328 00:14:47,904 --> 00:14:51,144 Speaker 1: and convicted separately, which he was for each rape that 329 00:14:51,184 --> 00:14:53,664 Speaker 1: he was found to be guilty of. I understand the 330 00:14:53,664 --> 00:14:55,984 Speaker 1: complexity of like someone that you love and has been 331 00:14:56,024 --> 00:14:58,984 Speaker 1: like family to you over the years, being completely horrified 332 00:14:59,424 --> 00:15:01,624 Speaker 1: by what they've done, but then to make the choice 333 00:15:01,624 --> 00:15:04,304 Speaker 1: to step in and try and get a lesser sentence 334 00:15:04,344 --> 00:15:06,104 Speaker 1: in the face of what these women have been through 335 00:15:06,224 --> 00:15:07,904 Speaker 1: is also pretty disgusting. 336 00:15:07,544 --> 00:15:10,104 Speaker 3: And mentioning qualities that have nothing to do with what 337 00:15:10,144 --> 00:15:10,904 Speaker 3: he actually did. 338 00:15:11,104 --> 00:15:14,384 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, So that video came out, it wasn't very 339 00:15:14,384 --> 00:15:16,704 Speaker 1: well received for a number of reasons. Some people thought 340 00:15:16,744 --> 00:15:19,144 Speaker 1: they should have just said sorry, we shouldn't have done 341 00:15:19,144 --> 00:15:20,624 Speaker 1: it and left it, and I wasn't. 342 00:15:20,464 --> 00:15:22,064 Speaker 4: Trying to explain the way exactly. 343 00:15:22,064 --> 00:15:24,784 Speaker 1: It also felt very scripted and stilted, which I'm sure 344 00:15:24,784 --> 00:15:26,024 Speaker 1: they did have a script and they were trying to 345 00:15:26,064 --> 00:15:28,424 Speaker 1: stick to that because going off the rails would make 346 00:15:28,464 --> 00:15:31,184 Speaker 1: things worse. But Miela especially, I mean, actually they both 347 00:15:31,224 --> 00:15:32,864 Speaker 1: didn't want I don't want to call her out. They 348 00:15:32,864 --> 00:15:35,744 Speaker 1: both seemed like very defensive and very kind of almost 349 00:15:35,784 --> 00:15:38,704 Speaker 1: angry that they had furious like they didn't do that, 350 00:15:39,064 --> 00:15:41,744 Speaker 1: but they didn't see the issue with what they had done. 351 00:15:41,824 --> 00:15:43,504 Speaker 1: And then, of course, I mean, this seems so trivial 352 00:15:43,504 --> 00:15:45,464 Speaker 1: with or else we're talking about But the other thing 353 00:15:45,504 --> 00:15:48,624 Speaker 1: that came out from the video was that everyone knows 354 00:15:48,664 --> 00:15:51,864 Speaker 1: they live in this because they've done an architectural digestis too. Well, 355 00:15:52,784 --> 00:15:55,064 Speaker 1: they've done this tour of their home, which is a 356 00:15:55,184 --> 00:15:59,184 Speaker 1: multi multi million dollar lux converted farmhouse, and it's so 357 00:15:59,264 --> 00:16:00,384 Speaker 1: beautiful inside and so fair. 358 00:16:00,424 --> 00:16:02,104 Speaker 4: It's the biggest thing I've ever seen in my life. 359 00:16:02,144 --> 00:16:04,624 Speaker 1: So after that, they did step out of the spotlight 360 00:16:04,664 --> 00:16:06,624 Speaker 1: for a while, and it doesn't feel like they kind 361 00:16:06,664 --> 00:16:09,144 Speaker 1: of made this big act to do it, because for 362 00:16:09,264 --> 00:16:11,704 Speaker 1: my knowledge, they didn't have an any massive projects coming 363 00:16:11,704 --> 00:16:13,064 Speaker 1: out in the last couple of months. Just want to 364 00:16:13,984 --> 00:16:15,784 Speaker 1: yeah that they had to promote. They both own a 365 00:16:15,824 --> 00:16:18,824 Speaker 1: lot of businesses behind the scenes, so and they've never 366 00:16:18,864 --> 00:16:20,784 Speaker 1: been the kind of couple that you always see them 367 00:16:20,784 --> 00:16:23,384 Speaker 1: photographed events together and see them out and about. So 368 00:16:23,744 --> 00:16:25,744 Speaker 1: they've been really out of the spotlight. But it wasn't 369 00:16:25,784 --> 00:16:29,264 Speaker 1: super noticeable until this week where their names are all 370 00:16:29,384 --> 00:16:32,224 Speaker 1: the headlines again because they went to a public event. Well, 371 00:16:32,264 --> 00:16:34,424 Speaker 1: I guess, especially in LA this is a very public thing. 372 00:16:34,544 --> 00:16:37,464 Speaker 1: Like the stories that have come the relationships that have 373 00:16:37,584 --> 00:16:42,424 Speaker 1: started and ended from being photographed courtside at a basketball 374 00:16:42,464 --> 00:16:46,304 Speaker 1: game in Los Angels very It's a leb heavy spot 375 00:16:46,304 --> 00:16:48,944 Speaker 1: to sit because all cameras are on you. So recently, 376 00:16:49,064 --> 00:16:50,984 Speaker 1: both mel Are and Ashton were there, and the interesting 377 00:16:51,024 --> 00:16:52,664 Speaker 1: thing was that they were there with their two children, 378 00:16:52,744 --> 00:16:55,504 Speaker 1: White who was nine and Dimitri, who is seven. And 379 00:16:55,784 --> 00:16:58,024 Speaker 1: this is the first time I've seen those kids' faces, 380 00:16:58,024 --> 00:17:00,624 Speaker 1: and I'm sure anyone has because they've always been kept 381 00:17:00,664 --> 00:17:02,544 Speaker 1: so out of the spotlight, which is very fair like 382 00:17:02,584 --> 00:17:05,264 Speaker 1: their parents, like, they didn't choose this life. We don't 383 00:17:05,264 --> 00:17:07,304 Speaker 1: take them to public events, we don't share their faces 384 00:17:07,304 --> 00:17:10,144 Speaker 1: on social media. I know photographers probably have shared photos 385 00:17:10,184 --> 00:17:12,624 Speaker 1: over years because paparazzi do shitty things like that, but 386 00:17:12,664 --> 00:17:14,704 Speaker 1: a lot of the time their photos are blurred. And 387 00:17:14,784 --> 00:17:16,784 Speaker 1: so it was this big thing for the family to 388 00:17:16,824 --> 00:17:19,664 Speaker 1: make a very big public appearance together. And now the 389 00:17:19,704 --> 00:17:22,504 Speaker 1: headlines are very favorable and everyone's loving them and their 390 00:17:22,504 --> 00:17:25,664 Speaker 1: family and them kind of coming and showing this beautiful 391 00:17:25,744 --> 00:17:26,904 Speaker 1: moment with the world. 392 00:17:27,024 --> 00:17:29,864 Speaker 3: So are you saying that they are both physically and 393 00:17:29,944 --> 00:17:32,184 Speaker 3: figuratively hiding behind their children. 394 00:17:32,744 --> 00:17:35,184 Speaker 1: I think there's two things here. Is one that there 395 00:17:35,304 --> 00:17:38,064 Speaker 1: is a player, Caitlin Clark, who is playing in that game, 396 00:17:38,144 --> 00:17:41,184 Speaker 1: who Ashton is like from his hometown state and their 397 00:17:41,184 --> 00:17:43,464 Speaker 1: big fans. I think the kids even had T shirts on, 398 00:17:43,544 --> 00:17:45,304 Speaker 1: like supporting her, So I think there was there was 399 00:17:45,344 --> 00:17:47,344 Speaker 1: like a specific reason and a player they were there 400 00:17:47,344 --> 00:17:49,384 Speaker 1: to see and who they were talking to during the game, 401 00:17:49,464 --> 00:17:51,184 Speaker 1: so it's like they were supporting someone they knew. So 402 00:17:51,224 --> 00:17:53,344 Speaker 1: like that's one thing, But I think also it would 403 00:17:53,344 --> 00:17:56,424 Speaker 1: be very naive to think that with this family and 404 00:17:56,624 --> 00:17:58,744 Speaker 1: with how high profile they are, it's not that we're 405 00:17:58,744 --> 00:18:00,944 Speaker 1: canceled for doing something silly, you know what I mean, 406 00:18:01,064 --> 00:18:03,544 Speaker 1: or just for say misspeaking or something like. That's pretty 407 00:18:03,584 --> 00:18:06,104 Speaker 1: serious thing. And the fact that he had to step 408 00:18:06,144 --> 00:18:08,424 Speaker 1: down from a charity he had founded when he had 409 00:18:08,424 --> 00:18:11,624 Speaker 1: put years in time and he'd beaten care testifying for 410 00:18:11,904 --> 00:18:14,704 Speaker 1: sex trafficking of girls and like kids and staff. To 411 00:18:14,784 --> 00:18:17,064 Speaker 1: then be called out for supporting someone like that's a 412 00:18:17,144 --> 00:18:20,104 Speaker 1: huge deal. And so I think there must be some 413 00:18:20,144 --> 00:18:22,624 Speaker 1: sort of plan of how they would quietly weave their 414 00:18:22,624 --> 00:18:26,664 Speaker 1: way back into public life. And these very lovely family 415 00:18:26,704 --> 00:18:28,784 Speaker 1: photos and it doesn't look like they're seeking out attention. 416 00:18:28,864 --> 00:18:31,544 Speaker 1: They just add an event supporting someone. It's them and 417 00:18:31,584 --> 00:18:34,464 Speaker 1: their kids. The photos are beautiful, and now that's the story, 418 00:18:34,464 --> 00:18:37,424 Speaker 1: And I think now a lot of people will forget 419 00:18:37,544 --> 00:18:39,224 Speaker 1: what happened. And I'm not saying they should be punishing, 420 00:18:39,264 --> 00:18:41,344 Speaker 1: they shouldn't work again, or anything like that, but I 421 00:18:41,384 --> 00:18:44,064 Speaker 1: just think it's interesting when you're in the public eye, 422 00:18:44,104 --> 00:18:47,064 Speaker 1: the intense thought that needs to go into every move 423 00:18:47,144 --> 00:18:49,664 Speaker 1: you make, and the fact that in this case, I 424 00:18:49,664 --> 00:18:50,664 Speaker 1: feel like it's paying off. 425 00:18:51,024 --> 00:18:54,624 Speaker 3: It's interesting that it's an actual strategy that works, because 426 00:18:54,664 --> 00:18:56,464 Speaker 3: I feel like we don't really see it work. And 427 00:18:56,544 --> 00:19:00,664 Speaker 3: I'm also interested to see if James Marsden does the 428 00:19:00,704 --> 00:19:04,664 Speaker 3: same sort of strategy. So, James Marsden, you might remember 429 00:19:04,864 --> 00:19:07,864 Speaker 3: we did it, I think a few episodes on the 430 00:19:08,144 --> 00:19:10,864 Speaker 3: docuseriies called Quite on Set. It was like looking at 431 00:19:11,064 --> 00:19:14,344 Speaker 3: all the allegations that happened around the kids TV network 432 00:19:14,424 --> 00:19:18,944 Speaker 3: Nickelodeon back in the nineties. James Marsden was actually published 433 00:19:18,984 --> 00:19:22,944 Speaker 3: in that docu series that he wrote a character reference 434 00:19:22,984 --> 00:19:25,024 Speaker 3: for one of the men who was accused of those 435 00:19:25,064 --> 00:19:27,984 Speaker 3: allegations that were happening behind the scenes. Probably I would 436 00:19:28,064 --> 00:19:31,184 Speaker 3: say the biggest name in the whole list, and he 437 00:19:31,224 --> 00:19:34,064 Speaker 3: also hasn't been seen in public since or has made 438 00:19:34,104 --> 00:19:35,024 Speaker 3: any comments on that. 439 00:19:35,264 --> 00:19:37,064 Speaker 1: Yeah, one if he'll also do the same thing of 440 00:19:37,104 --> 00:19:39,464 Speaker 1: like laying low for a while, and then you know, 441 00:19:40,904 --> 00:19:43,024 Speaker 1: he's got like five kids, so he's got plenty of 442 00:19:43,384 --> 00:19:45,224 Speaker 1: plenty of support for when he wants to remake his 443 00:19:45,264 --> 00:19:46,344 Speaker 1: way into society. 444 00:19:46,544 --> 00:19:48,784 Speaker 3: Thank you so much for listening to the Spill today. 445 00:19:48,824 --> 00:19:50,664 Speaker 3: If you love listening to the Spill, we would love 446 00:19:50,704 --> 00:19:52,864 Speaker 3: it if you could please give us a five star 447 00:19:53,024 --> 00:19:55,584 Speaker 3: rating and review on whichever podcast app you listen on. 448 00:19:55,824 --> 00:19:57,864 Speaker 3: Otherwise we will see you here back in your podcast 449 00:19:57,864 --> 00:19:59,104 Speaker 3: feed at three pm tomorrow. 450 00:19:59,184 --> 00:20:05,584 Speaker 1: Bye bye.