WEBVTT - Posh Wasn't At Sporty's Wedding & Non Parents Need Holidays Too 0:00:03.040 --> 0:00:05.920 Hello, and welcome to Mamma Mia out loud. 0:00:06.080 --> 0:00:08.600 It's what women are actually talking about on Monday, the 0:00:08.640 --> 0:00:09.639 twentieth of July. 0:00:10.200 --> 0:00:13.400 I'm Pollywayen, Rightnham. 0:00:12.280 --> 0:00:15.680 I'm Amelia Lester, and here's what's on our agenda for today. 0:00:16.120 --> 0:00:18.560 There was only really one place to be this morning, 0:00:18.600 --> 0:00:20.960 and it wasn't here in the studio with us, which 0:00:21.079 --> 0:00:25.520 is unfortunate. It was watching the football with Madonna and Trump. 0:00:27.360 --> 0:00:29.560 And depending on who's where you were sitting and who 0:00:29.640 --> 0:00:32.520 with you, either had a great time or a cringey time. 0:00:33.080 --> 0:00:35.120 We'll be talking you through everyone who is there hair 0:00:35.200 --> 0:00:35.559 not wait. 0:00:35.920 --> 0:00:39.479 Plus a theory that human interaction is fading due to 0:00:39.560 --> 0:00:41.519 a device that's actually not a. 0:00:41.479 --> 0:00:46.240 Smart fooh, and an Australian parental leave policy is making 0:00:46.320 --> 0:00:50.080 some people very happy and some people very angry. 0:00:50.320 --> 0:00:54.000 But first, Emily Vernon, in case you missed it, it's 0:00:54.040 --> 0:00:55.440 the season of celebrity wedding. 0:00:55.440 --> 0:00:57.160 It really is, isn't it. I guess it's because it's 0:00:57.160 --> 0:01:01.360 the northern summer. Oh and so so you know, normally 0:01:01.360 --> 0:01:04.120 the northern summer isn't that hot, although in recent years 0:01:04.120 --> 0:01:06.520 climate change has put paid to that. So more summer 0:01:06.520 --> 0:01:07.520 weddings than the Spring wedding. 0:01:07.720 --> 0:01:07.959 Yes. 0:01:07.959 --> 0:01:12.679 Well, Melsey, also known as Sporty Spies, recently got married 0:01:12.720 --> 0:01:16.920 over the weekend to one of us and Australi. His 0:01:17.080 --> 0:01:19.920 name is Chris Dingwall and he is an Australian model. 0:01:20.080 --> 0:01:22.120 They got married, I think in an intimate it's been 0:01:22.160 --> 0:01:26.200 reported has been an intimate wedding in England. All the 0:01:26.240 --> 0:01:29.520 Spice girls were there except Vicki b but she did 0:01:29.760 --> 0:01:30.440 make the gap. 0:01:30.560 --> 0:01:32.039 Oh I love that. 0:01:32.160 --> 0:01:38.160 I congratulations, congratulations Sporty. I do not want to rain 0:01:38.240 --> 0:01:41.119 on your beautiful parade. It looked amazing. I'm so happy 0:01:41.120 --> 0:01:43.919 for you. This is the first time she got married. Yeah, yeah, 0:01:43.959 --> 0:01:46.479 which is impressive. I guess is it? 0:01:46.560 --> 0:01:46.960 I don't know. 0:01:47.000 --> 0:01:50.080 I'll stop talking, but I won't stop talking because I 0:01:50.160 --> 0:01:52.560 questioned the vickib exclusion. 0:01:52.080 --> 0:01:53.360 Because she was at the football. 0:01:53.600 --> 0:01:53.880 Yeah. 0:01:53.920 --> 0:01:56.360 So the reason she wasn't there is she's in New York. 0:01:56.400 --> 0:01:58.120 She was at the final today with the rest of 0:01:58.120 --> 0:02:00.920 the Beckham family. But she doesn't know to be there. 0:02:01.200 --> 0:02:04.560 She does though, because because England weren't in it, they 0:02:04.600 --> 0:02:06.480 weren't in it. But we learned last week, and we 0:02:06.520 --> 0:02:09.120 talked about on the podcast last week that David Beckham 0:02:09.200 --> 0:02:11.960 had a very prominent role this year's World Cup. It's 0:02:11.960 --> 0:02:14.000 all part of a partnership with FIFA. He is what's 0:02:14.040 --> 0:02:17.360 known as a vvi IP, very very important person and 0:02:17.400 --> 0:02:20.240 it's estimated that he's going to make upwards of thirty 0:02:20.280 --> 0:02:22.919 million dollars from the brand exposure that he got at 0:02:22.919 --> 0:02:23.640 the World Cup. 0:02:23.440 --> 0:02:25.640 Because not everybody loves FIFA, as we'll get to a 0:02:25.639 --> 0:02:28.000 little bit later, and so it's good to happen. So 0:02:28.000 --> 0:02:32.480 do you think it was in his contract Posh be there? 0:02:32.639 --> 0:02:35.680 Of course? Well, even if not in his contract, I 0:02:35.720 --> 0:02:39.280 think that the way he sells stuff is by being 0:02:39.680 --> 0:02:43.320 David Beckham inc Like married to Posh looking handsome in 0:02:43.360 --> 0:02:45.480 a suit at the soccer game. Like, that's all part 0:02:45.480 --> 0:02:46.720 of how he sells things. 0:02:46.800 --> 0:02:49.239 Okay, So in that case, this was a scheduling error 0:02:49.280 --> 0:02:50.519 on Melsey's part. 0:02:50.360 --> 0:02:53.160 And I think Melsey gets it like she gets it. 0:02:53.240 --> 0:02:55.840 VICKI designed a beautiful dress for her. I thought it 0:02:55.880 --> 0:02:56.560 was really lovely. 0:02:56.680 --> 0:02:58.600 I just hope she got to FaceTime in while she 0:02:58.639 --> 0:03:00.720 was watching the game, going, I really don't want to 0:03:00.720 --> 0:03:01.760 be here. I wish I could be. 0:03:01.880 --> 0:03:04.400 Well, it was on Saturday, right, which was the day 0:03:04.480 --> 0:03:07.560 that England did play that amazing like third place game. 0:03:07.840 --> 0:03:09.000 Yeah, I know what. 0:03:09.040 --> 0:03:11.160 This isn't a sports show, but anyway, so she may 0:03:11.200 --> 0:03:14.840 have been busy. My other question is they got married 0:03:14.880 --> 0:03:18.360 on Saturday in England today, which is Monday our time. 0:03:18.919 --> 0:03:20.280 Photos are all in vogue. 0:03:20.360 --> 0:03:23.440 She did what the girls needed, That's what I mean 0:03:23.880 --> 0:03:24.760 release of photos. 0:03:24.840 --> 0:03:28.000 There is a certain other celebrity whose wedding pictures are 0:03:28.080 --> 0:03:32.799 still somewhere lost between the camera shop and there right 0:03:33.639 --> 0:03:34.200 going on. 0:03:34.120 --> 0:03:36.800 I feel like if Taylor Swift does release her photos, 0:03:36.880 --> 0:03:37.760 I'm going to be angry. 0:03:37.920 --> 0:03:40.400 Well, we do have to mention that Maddy Healy, her ex, 0:03:40.440 --> 0:03:43.280 got married over the weekend as well. 0:03:43.520 --> 0:03:46.760 Aberanti shots. So far, no release of photos. 0:03:46.320 --> 0:03:49.080 Right, but quite clear paparazzi shot. It's not that we 0:03:49.120 --> 0:03:50.720 can join that on this show, and not that I 0:03:50.760 --> 0:03:53.400 even looked at them. The wedding was, I am told 0:03:53.560 --> 0:03:57.880 in Los Angeles in front of the Hollywood Sign, so 0:03:58.040 --> 0:04:01.760 very West Coast glam of the very interesting counterpoint to 0:04:01.800 --> 0:04:04.480 the East Coast of Taylor's wedding. 0:04:04.840 --> 0:04:06.960 Honestly, no one of these people paid enough attention to 0:04:07.000 --> 0:04:10.960 the football fixtures, like if England had made it to 0:04:11.000 --> 0:04:12.720 the final, Maddi, heally would have had to call his 0:04:12.760 --> 0:04:13.600 wedding off like that. 0:04:13.680 --> 0:04:14.600 Is what would have happened. 0:04:14.720 --> 0:04:15.720 That's true. 0:04:15.840 --> 0:04:17.920 Anyway, I'll try and stop mentioning they took hers. We're 0:04:17.960 --> 0:04:21.120 happy for Melver she was in here last year. The 0:04:21.600 --> 0:04:24.280 office lost his mind when Melsei was in Sydney last 0:04:24.360 --> 0:04:26.240 year filming the Voice. She came in and did an 0:04:26.279 --> 0:04:30.200 interview for No Filter. And I have never seen so 0:04:30.400 --> 0:04:33.960 many of my cool millennial colleagues losing their fricking mind. 0:04:34.000 --> 0:04:36.560 She was the coolest spice girl. I'm saying it. She 0:04:36.640 --> 0:04:38.440 was the coolest spice girl on icon Is. 0:04:39.120 --> 0:04:43.400 I wouldn't know, No, I'm kidding the girls girls. And 0:04:43.480 --> 0:04:46.600 it was a big deal because Stacy asked our producer 0:04:46.640 --> 0:04:48.520 Grace if she could be the one to bring Melseie 0:04:48.640 --> 0:04:49.040 a glass. 0:04:49.200 --> 0:04:52.000 That's hilarious. She's like running the website, but she's like. 0:04:51.920 --> 0:04:53.919 Hold on a minute, I just need to be the 0:04:53.960 --> 0:04:56.360 person who carries a glass of water into the studio. 0:04:56.400 --> 0:04:57.480 And she did it perfectly. 0:04:58.360 --> 0:05:02.160 The Australian fashion brand did is giving staff with children 0:05:02.279 --> 0:05:05.960 under twelve and extra two weeks of paid parental leave 0:05:06.080 --> 0:05:09.120 per year. This was just announced last week. Hurrah, the 0:05:09.160 --> 0:05:12.160 female Vana company says the policy is designed to support 0:05:12.200 --> 0:05:16.080 working parents if they're managing school pickup, sickness, important school events, 0:05:16.160 --> 0:05:18.440 and it's also and I thought this was interesting to 0:05:18.560 --> 0:05:22.480 help close the financial gap facing women in the workforce. 0:05:22.680 --> 0:05:26.520 Dish wrote that they are arguing ambition and motherhood are 0:05:26.600 --> 0:05:31.160 not opposing paths. This has been a very polarizing move. 0:05:31.560 --> 0:05:33.760 I think it's safe to say. I was reading comments 0:05:33.800 --> 0:05:37.560 on a Reddit forum for the child free and people. 0:05:37.720 --> 0:05:39.799 Here are just some samples of what people were saying 0:05:39.800 --> 0:05:43.400 from there. They describe it as a parental supremacy mindset. 0:05:44.000 --> 0:05:47.239 This is a direct quote. Why don't child free people 0:05:47.279 --> 0:05:49.360 get the same extra time off to spend time on 0:05:49.400 --> 0:05:53.240 what we enjoy? Someone described it as workplace discrimination. Someone 0:05:53.279 --> 0:05:56.080 else said I'd start talking about my imaginary children who 0:05:56.120 --> 0:05:57.200 happen to be my cats. 0:05:57.520 --> 0:05:59.599 Oh, such a good idea, and I think there. 0:05:59.480 --> 0:06:02.520 Are some Look, I'm really happy that Dish is doing this, 0:06:03.040 --> 0:06:06.720 but I think that it is possible to see some 0:06:06.800 --> 0:06:09.760 of these arguments as valid. And I wanted to first 0:06:09.839 --> 0:06:12.320 throw to you Am to see what you, as a 0:06:12.400 --> 0:06:13.840 child free person, thinks of this. 0:06:14.360 --> 0:06:18.560 I want my two weeks as well. If parents are 0:06:18.600 --> 0:06:21.120 getting two weeks. If mums are getting two weeks and 0:06:21.120 --> 0:06:24.120 it's not just it's not parental leave, it's annually no. 0:06:24.080 --> 0:06:26.400 But it is parental leave like as in the way 0:06:26.400 --> 0:06:29.920 that this is framed in the parental. 0:06:29.560 --> 0:06:33.760 Leave, but it's taking place within twelve years, so they 0:06:33.800 --> 0:06:37.760 get two extra weeks of leave until their child is 0:06:37.800 --> 0:06:38.840 twelve years old. 0:06:38.680 --> 0:06:41.200 On top of dishes four weeks of annually. 0:06:41.400 --> 0:06:44.160 So for me, that comes into the annual leave area 0:06:44.360 --> 0:06:48.320 where I get less annual leave than women who have children. 0:06:48.839 --> 0:06:52.200 And I think that this is just going to make 0:06:52.240 --> 0:06:56.000 a huge divide in workplaces between women who have children 0:06:56.240 --> 0:07:01.599 and women who don't, especially coworkers who have the same job, 0:07:01.640 --> 0:07:03.440 who are doing the same amount of work, who have 0:07:03.520 --> 0:07:07.000 the same salary. It is discrimination if one of them 0:07:07.160 --> 0:07:08.400 is getting extra leaved. 0:07:08.240 --> 0:07:08.600 And the other. 0:07:08.839 --> 0:07:11.280 So you were quite annoyed by I was annoyed. 0:07:11.640 --> 0:07:14.000 So you mean it will create division in workplaces if 0:07:14.040 --> 0:07:16.320 this became a more common thing, Because a lot of 0:07:16.360 --> 0:07:20.160 people who are in the parental leave space are really 0:07:20.200 --> 0:07:23.400 celebrating this. They're saying this is people need to realize 0:07:23.400 --> 0:07:28.160 that parenthood, like making parenthood and work compatible, is much 0:07:28.200 --> 0:07:30.360 more than just giving you a few weeks pay when 0:07:30.400 --> 0:07:33.320 you have a baby, right, And I think that's why 0:07:33.360 --> 0:07:36.320 this is being celebrated by those who see that. I 0:07:36.400 --> 0:07:39.080 would personally very much celebrate it because I think that 0:07:39.080 --> 0:07:40.480 that is absolutely true. 0:07:40.800 --> 0:07:43.480 The thing is, there's. 0:07:42.520 --> 0:07:44.280 No such thing as a perfect way to do this, 0:07:44.840 --> 0:07:48.920 but your everything changes about your life when you have 0:07:49.080 --> 0:07:52.680 a kid, right, and you whether your kid is a 0:07:52.720 --> 0:07:55.360 newborn or whether your kid is eight and at school, 0:07:55.680 --> 0:07:59.360 the demands on your time are different, right, recognizing that 0:07:59.520 --> 0:08:03.480 and trying to make little headway into how to basically 0:08:03.600 --> 0:08:06.200 keep hold of your workforce, because that's what this is about. 0:08:06.280 --> 0:08:06.480 Right. 0:08:07.440 --> 0:08:11.800 Some bosses will say this is an unattainable standard for 0:08:11.880 --> 0:08:13.960 most businesses to be able to pay for an extra 0:08:14.000 --> 0:08:16.960 two weeks leave for their workforce. But Dish is a 0:08:17.000 --> 0:08:21.360 small ish, female run, female founded business. Ninety four percent 0:08:21.440 --> 0:08:23.360 of their staff are women, so they know what they're 0:08:23.360 --> 0:08:26.480 doing and the reason they're doing this is to stop 0:08:26.480 --> 0:08:29.239 the attrition that you inevitably get when people have kids, 0:08:29.280 --> 0:08:31.720 maybe then have another kid, think that they can come 0:08:31.720 --> 0:08:34.360 back to work and all is dandy, but actually it 0:08:34.440 --> 0:08:37.080 is exhausting and impossible, and then you put school holidays 0:08:37.120 --> 0:08:40.720 into the mix and people quit and they go part time, 0:08:40.960 --> 0:08:42.760 or they work for themselves, or they go and get 0:08:42.800 --> 0:08:45.240 a job that's more flexible, or all those things. This 0:08:45.320 --> 0:08:48.000 is a smart move for businesses who recognize they've got 0:08:48.040 --> 0:08:49.600 a lot of parents on their books and they want 0:08:49.600 --> 0:08:51.840 to keep hold of them because they've invested a lot 0:08:51.840 --> 0:08:55.120 of time in training them having them in the business. 0:08:55.920 --> 0:08:58.040 The other thing about that, of course, is that you 0:08:58.160 --> 0:09:00.840 only ever see the world through your lens in a way. 0:09:00.880 --> 0:09:05.680 So I would see those parents leaving early in my estimation, 0:09:06.080 --> 0:09:08.880 but I don't know whether they would get back online later. 0:09:09.000 --> 0:09:10.720 I wasn't in a position of management then in that 0:09:10.720 --> 0:09:13.080 way to get back online later or whatever. And I 0:09:13.160 --> 0:09:15.480 know that at different times in my life since I've 0:09:15.520 --> 0:09:18.040 been a parent, having the flexibility to be able to 0:09:18.080 --> 0:09:19.959 do that is much more important than lots of other stuff. 0:09:20.000 --> 0:09:23.080 And parents are often working weird hours, early in the morning, 0:09:23.200 --> 0:09:25.760 late at night, different things in order to try and 0:09:25.840 --> 0:09:28.320 make all these competing priorities merge. 0:09:28.520 --> 0:09:31.480 But it's the same in the sense where they're getting 0:09:31.520 --> 0:09:35.840 extra leave over a personal choice. And I completely agree. 0:09:35.920 --> 0:09:39.400 I think parents need more leave to look after kids, 0:09:39.440 --> 0:09:42.040 but I think you can't just give it to one 0:09:42.080 --> 0:09:44.680 group of people and not the rest of your company. 0:09:45.040 --> 0:09:47.560 I've been a huge advocate for menstrual leave. That's something 0:09:47.600 --> 0:09:49.520 that happens to women that we don't have a choice, 0:09:49.520 --> 0:09:50.559 and it's happening to us. 0:09:50.760 --> 0:09:53.160 And to be clear on this particular issue for this 0:09:53.200 --> 0:09:55.360 particular business, we don't know if that is a thing. 0:09:56.000 --> 0:09:57.719 So we're talking about this generally like. 0:09:57.800 --> 0:10:01.360 This is being and a law. Then I think there 0:10:01.360 --> 0:10:04.080 are so many ways you can give women leave for 0:10:04.600 --> 0:10:07.120 things that are completely out of their control. But I 0:10:07.160 --> 0:10:09.240 think when you do it over a choice that they're 0:10:09.240 --> 0:10:12.920 making and one group don't get that choice, it's just 0:10:13.000 --> 0:10:14.720 going to create conflict in the workplace. 0:10:15.120 --> 0:10:18.040 Yeah, I hear you on the conflict point. I think 0:10:18.200 --> 0:10:22.240 one sort of very zoomed out perspective on this. We've 0:10:22.280 --> 0:10:25.600 talked a lot on this show about the fertility crisis 0:10:25.640 --> 0:10:28.680 and about how young people are choosing not to have children, 0:10:29.280 --> 0:10:32.760 and the people who are very worried about that are politicians. 0:10:33.200 --> 0:10:35.440 And the reason why politicians are worried about it is 0:10:35.440 --> 0:10:39.160 because children aren't just children. Children are also future tax 0:10:39.200 --> 0:10:44.640 payers who then fund Medicare, they help fund the age pension, 0:10:44.840 --> 0:10:47.400 they help fund the roads and the schools and all 0:10:47.440 --> 0:10:49.760 the other things that we depend upon as a society. 0:10:49.840 --> 0:10:53.560 So if not enough people have children, there aren't enough taxes, 0:10:53.800 --> 0:10:57.200 society falls apart. So I hear you on the choice idea. 0:10:57.280 --> 0:10:59.880 But the problem is this is a choice that ultimately 0:11:00.240 --> 0:11:04.320 benefits everyone in Australian society, and the fact that some 0:11:04.360 --> 0:11:06.640 people are putting up their hand to do it and 0:11:06.720 --> 0:11:10.720 to throw themselves into that work of raising good, productive 0:11:10.760 --> 0:11:14.960 members of society is worth recognizing and trying to make 0:11:14.960 --> 0:11:17.199 it easier for them. It's not a choice to get 0:11:17.200 --> 0:11:17.840 a manicure. 0:11:18.000 --> 0:11:22.880 It's also interesting because I think, and I'm not saying 0:11:22.960 --> 0:11:24.240 this is the right way to do it, but there 0:11:24.280 --> 0:11:25.720 was a time in my career when my kids were 0:11:25.720 --> 0:11:27.960 a little ware this is what I negotiated. So at 0:11:28.000 --> 0:11:30.920 the time when it was pay increased time like negot 0:11:31.000 --> 0:11:34.360 you know, yearly review and all those things, I said, 0:11:34.800 --> 0:11:37.240 I know this sounds weird, but I'm just kind of 0:11:37.280 --> 0:11:40.480 illustrating how important time becomes. I was like, I would 0:11:40.600 --> 0:11:43.480 much rather have another week's leave than a pay rise, 0:11:43.720 --> 0:11:45.960 Like time had become much more important to me at 0:11:46.000 --> 0:11:49.760 that particular moment than the incremental pay rise I was 0:11:49.800 --> 0:11:52.240 going to get. Now, that obviously is something that everybody 0:11:52.240 --> 0:11:54.719 can or should do. And you know, money and the 0:11:54.760 --> 0:11:56.800 ability to feed your family is at the top of 0:11:56.840 --> 0:12:02.160 the tree, but time becomes such a different resource when 0:12:02.240 --> 0:12:05.280 you're trying to juggle work and family. And so I 0:12:05.360 --> 0:12:08.800 get it that you could be that anyone else someone 0:12:08.800 --> 0:12:11.400 who isn't doing that, although I would and I know 0:12:11.480 --> 0:12:13.800 this is also an annoying and inflammatory thing to say, 0:12:13.840 --> 0:12:17.600 I would probably say, isn't doing that? Yet I think 0:12:17.640 --> 0:12:22.120 that you don't really see that value in the same way. 0:12:22.480 --> 0:12:25.160 But I could use time to do things you could, 0:12:25.240 --> 0:12:26.880 and I think a lot of women could use it. 0:12:26.960 --> 0:12:30.000 I think there are also women who want to be 0:12:30.080 --> 0:12:32.400 parents and can't be parents, and there are also women 0:12:32.400 --> 0:12:36.920 who are caring for their parents, And I think it's yeah, 0:12:36.960 --> 0:12:40.200 I obviously there's like fine print to this that we 0:12:40.240 --> 0:12:43.280 can't really dissect. It will be different for everyone, but 0:12:43.400 --> 0:12:46.679 I think there are those like kind of little areas 0:12:46.760 --> 0:12:50.800 that will will make people like me just be really 0:12:50.840 --> 0:12:54.040 angry at the situation, because there are so many different 0:12:54.080 --> 0:12:56.960 situations where time is valuable and it's not always taking 0:12:57.000 --> 0:12:57.720 care of kids. 0:12:57.760 --> 0:13:01.040 Absolutely, I entirely respect that. Of course, we don't know 0:13:01.080 --> 0:13:03.080 what the rest of the careers leave situation is like. 0:13:03.160 --> 0:13:05.800 So that's the fairest way to do that is to 0:13:05.800 --> 0:13:07.440 make there be a bucket of care as leave, and 0:13:07.480 --> 0:13:10.440 you use it for whatever caring you need. What is 0:13:10.480 --> 0:13:13.840 interesting is in the reporting about Dish's decision to do 0:13:13.960 --> 0:13:18.920 this again. They are one small small business. They say 0:13:19.000 --> 0:13:22.000 that actually it's no surprise that since they've implemented it 0:13:22.200 --> 0:13:25.520 there's been one hundred and forty percent boost in job applications. 0:13:26.040 --> 0:13:27.360 It's smart business. 0:13:27.640 --> 0:13:31.400 It's smart business because even though and I hope that 0:13:31.880 --> 0:13:35.520 I'm always very mindful of the idea that, of course 0:13:35.600 --> 0:13:37.440 not every woman wants to be a mother, and of 0:13:37.440 --> 0:13:40.800 course not everybody should follow that path, but the reality 0:13:40.880 --> 0:13:43.080 is it still is the path that most women follow. 0:13:43.440 --> 0:13:45.560 So when they're coming to that time in their life, 0:13:45.600 --> 0:13:47.400 this becomes incredibly important. 0:13:47.800 --> 0:13:49.199 I know what you mean about the division. 0:13:49.240 --> 0:13:51.600 I don't know what the answer is about that, except 0:13:51.600 --> 0:13:54.840 to make sure that there are maybe you're flexible about 0:13:54.920 --> 0:13:56.520 other kinds of negotiations only. 0:13:56.640 --> 0:13:56.920 Yeah. 0:13:56.960 --> 0:13:59.640 I also feel like if this became a thing, like, 0:13:59.720 --> 0:14:03.320 let's say, in the future, this becomes a great incentive 0:14:03.360 --> 0:14:06.040 for the government to implement to get that baby boost. 0:14:06.200 --> 0:14:09.679 It could also have the opposite effect, where companies do 0:14:09.760 --> 0:14:12.120 have a bias against women with children and won't hire 0:14:12.120 --> 0:14:13.880 them because I know they'll end up paying more for 0:14:13.920 --> 0:14:14.680 the parental aide. 0:14:15.520 --> 0:14:19.360 That's often business owners argument about pushing too hard on 0:14:19.600 --> 0:14:22.440 generous parental leave programs is that it will backfire on 0:14:22.520 --> 0:14:25.280 women and that it makes it it can make it 0:14:25.520 --> 0:14:28.240 less appealing to have a female heavy workforce. 0:14:28.480 --> 0:14:32.000 It's interesting that in the articles around this, I was 0:14:32.040 --> 0:14:35.480 surprised to learn that one third of Australian companies do 0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:38.720 not have any kind of paid parental leave program even still, 0:14:39.160 --> 0:14:42.800 so it's clearly something that companies are continuing to grapple 0:14:42.840 --> 0:14:45.200 with as they think about their bottom lines as well. 0:14:45.640 --> 0:14:51.080 After the break at the football with Madonna discuss so 0:14:51.280 --> 0:14:53.480 the World Cup finish today, I'm sure there's a portion 0:14:53.560 --> 0:14:55.640 of out louders who will be like, thank God for that, 0:14:56.120 --> 0:14:59.120 because I keep hearing them talk about it. It's everywhere 0:14:59.160 --> 0:15:01.040 I look on the internet. I'm done with it. How 0:15:01.040 --> 0:15:02.400 do you feel about the World Cup finishing? 0:15:02.440 --> 0:15:07.760 Him? My walk to work was very difficult because they 0:15:07.840 --> 0:15:10.720 had a big viewing station up in Darling Harbor and 0:15:10.760 --> 0:15:12.800 I have to walk through Darling Harbor to get to work, 0:15:13.040 --> 0:15:15.160 and I got here late and it was a football 0:15:15.200 --> 0:15:15.680 as well. 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:20.840 Because this morning, for context, it was the World Cup final, 0:15:20.920 --> 0:15:22.600 so the last game. The World Cup has been going 0:15:22.640 --> 0:15:25.000 on for I think six weeks. It's a long time. 0:15:25.080 --> 0:15:27.200 It goes on a long time. Obviously, I like it 0:15:27.200 --> 0:15:29.520 because I like football. I know Amelia's been enjoying it. 0:15:29.560 --> 0:15:32.640 We've been discussing it every morning. But what everyone's discussing 0:15:32.640 --> 0:15:34.280 today is not so much the football or though Spain 0:15:34.360 --> 0:15:36.560 one and some people like myself are pretty happy about that, 0:15:36.880 --> 0:15:40.480 but all the celebrity sparkle and spangle that went alongside 0:15:40.520 --> 0:15:43.200 it today because the World Cup was in America, it 0:15:43.240 --> 0:15:45.880 was in America, and Canada and Mexico they like co 0:15:45.960 --> 0:15:49.560 host it. But the finale was in New York and 0:15:49.600 --> 0:15:53.080 so every famous person new sorry it was in New Jersey. 0:15:53.680 --> 0:15:57.080 Every famous person went. It was like Taylor Swifts wedding 0:15:57.160 --> 0:16:00.120 all over again, all like the nixt game. And I 0:16:00.240 --> 0:16:02.920 tried to do, Yes, what they tried to do because 0:16:02.920 --> 0:16:05.800 this was an American World Cup is they tried to 0:16:05.880 --> 0:16:11.440 make it more small American because the halftime show is 0:16:11.480 --> 0:16:14.640 not a thing in football, right football? And when I 0:16:14.640 --> 0:16:17.520 say football, I mean soccer, but I mean football. It 0:16:17.560 --> 0:16:21.520 isn't a thing. The halftime in soccer is fifteen minutes. 0:16:21.680 --> 0:16:22.320 Top, that's it. 0:16:22.440 --> 0:16:25.720 Fifteen minutes, tight little circle, that's it right. Not today 0:16:25.760 --> 0:16:29.360 it wasn't It was twenty seven minutes because Madonna had 0:16:29.360 --> 0:16:32.680 to come on in a car, singing music car. It 0:16:32.800 --> 0:16:34.880 looked like she started in a basement, but she got 0:16:34.880 --> 0:16:35.640 out onto the pitch. 0:16:35.680 --> 0:16:36.200 It was great. 0:16:37.000 --> 0:16:38.520 She was supported by. 0:16:38.840 --> 0:16:42.600 Driving the car was Ronaldinho, who's like a really famous 0:16:42.600 --> 0:16:44.920 footballer who's quite past his prime, and he's just there 0:16:45.000 --> 0:16:48.320 like beast by driving Madonna. 0:16:48.920 --> 0:16:52.000 Then BTS came on and sang, oh they were so good. 0:16:52.320 --> 0:16:58.040 Then at Ted Lasso brought Justin Bieber on as a sobacas. 0:16:56.640 --> 0:16:58.920 Is having a big summer because he went to Taylor's wedding. 0:16:59.080 --> 0:17:01.440 He did, and so he they did this little thing 0:17:01.640 --> 0:17:03.360 him and his mate were they And I love Teddler 0:17:03.440 --> 0:17:04.960 so as you know, but I thought this was a 0:17:05.000 --> 0:17:05.520 bit cringe. 0:17:05.800 --> 0:17:06.639 And they held up a. 0:17:06.680 --> 0:17:11.919 Big like blabe JB suck. And then Justin Bieber came 0:17:11.960 --> 0:17:13.600 on with his guitar and in Hallelujah. 0:17:13.640 --> 0:17:14.440 That was kind of lovely. 0:17:14.520 --> 0:17:16.480 It was was very slow, but then and. 0:17:16.480 --> 0:17:20.240 Then Shakira came on, I'm going to have Shakira, and 0:17:20.359 --> 0:17:23.679 then just as I was getting really cynical, it all 0:17:23.760 --> 0:17:26.119 fell in a puddle because when Chris Martin came on 0:17:26.240 --> 0:17:28.680 and sang with this big choir of school kids, and 0:17:28.760 --> 0:17:32.359 then all the other celebrities came on at New Jersey kids, 0:17:33.000 --> 0:17:35.600 it was actually New York, New York's God, look I 0:17:35.680 --> 0:17:37.359 keep getting the New. 0:17:37.280 --> 0:17:38.479 York school island. 0:17:38.880 --> 0:17:41.639 That's right. It was actually quite touching. 0:17:41.760 --> 0:17:44.199 It was that Chris Martin. 0:17:44.600 --> 0:17:48.399 He always knows how to tug at your heartstrings, so 0:17:48.600 --> 0:17:50.480 that was all very fabulous. In the crowd, we had 0:17:50.560 --> 0:17:53.280 Chalameaie who never misses a sporting occasion, to canoodle with 0:17:53.359 --> 0:17:53.840 his missus. 0:17:54.280 --> 0:17:55.720 Tom Cruise spoke before it. 0:17:57.040 --> 0:17:57.760 Why was he there? 0:17:58.119 --> 0:18:03.280 Robbie Williams sang, Jennifer Hudson did the national national anthem. 0:18:04.080 --> 0:18:06.760 Matt Damon and Luciana Barrosso his wife, were there in 0:18:06.800 --> 0:18:08.560 the audience. Jay Z and Beyonce were there. 0:18:08.680 --> 0:18:13.440 Lad Lively Girls squad. Who's in her new Girl We 0:18:13.520 --> 0:18:16.400 don't know, but she's going everywhere with three other women. 0:18:16.560 --> 0:18:20.080 Sarah, Jessica Parker, Jua Lipa. All the famous people were there, 0:18:20.560 --> 0:18:23.240 but Amelia. What happened when Trump tried to borrow some 0:18:23.400 --> 0:18:26.120 of this sparkle from the biggest sporting event in the world, 0:18:26.240 --> 0:18:30.399 because let's remember, billions and billions of people watch the 0:18:30.440 --> 0:18:33.280 World Cup Final. There is some great viral content going 0:18:33.320 --> 0:18:36.399 on of like street interviews with Americans saying, what do 0:18:36.440 --> 0:18:39.919 you think the difference in viewership is between the Super 0:18:39.960 --> 0:18:42.200 Bowl and the World Cup Final? And they're all like, 0:18:42.280 --> 0:18:44.879 I don't know, twenty five thousand and no, like twenty 0:18:44.920 --> 0:18:47.399 five billion. I'm exaggerating anyway. 0:18:47.359 --> 0:18:49.280 So Trump tried to borrow a bit of the sparkle. 0:18:49.720 --> 0:18:53.040 Well, just like, let's remember that the only thing Trump 0:18:53.119 --> 0:18:56.680