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Speaker 1: You're listening to Amma Mia podcast from Mama Mia. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the Bill, your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura

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Speaker 1: Brodneck and today I'm joined by Free Player. I am

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Speaker 1: the executive producer of MoMA MIA's interview podcast, No Filter,

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Speaker 1: and a former magazine editor, and you are filling in

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Speaker 1: for them today. But I feel like even if she

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Speaker 1: was here, you would have wanted to be honest. I

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Speaker 1: think I would have muscled my way. This is our

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Speaker 1: shared passion. This is our shared passion. So today we

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Speaker 1: are talking about the problematic rom com romances that we

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Speaker 1: secretly love. Like we know in this day and age,

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Speaker 1: we're supposed to be like, oh that was really wrong,

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Speaker 1: or they shouldn't have done that, or no, we put

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Speaker 1: that aside. We put real life in feminism aside. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: for our favorite compartmentalize it, pop it in a box,

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Speaker 1: and we still enjoy our favorite nineties and naughties rob

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Speaker 1: exactly in the spirit with which they were made, exactly

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Speaker 1: like you know, when you're a child or a teenager

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Speaker 1: and you watching them, like this is what love is

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Speaker 1: supposed to be. A man should lie to you, or

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Speaker 1: you should have brain damage, or you should be you

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Speaker 1: know your teacher. That's all those things already, all those movies,

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Speaker 1: all those tropes appear on my list. Oh absolutely, So

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Speaker 1: we're not just talking about this out of the blue,

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Speaker 1: even though I would do that any day of the week,

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Speaker 1: and I often do. We're talking about it because earlier

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Speaker 1: on the Spill this week we discuss the fact that

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Speaker 1: suddenly thirty or thirteen going on thirty, depending on which

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Speaker 1: country you were in when the movie was released. The

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Speaker 1: iconic two thousand and four rom com is getting a

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Speaker 1: reboot on Netflix. I have mixed feelings about that. I

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Speaker 1: don't even know mixed feelings. I just have strong feelings

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Speaker 1: that it's totally unnecessary. Two. That's what I said. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's nothing mixed about it. Even though Jennifer Garner is producing,

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Speaker 1: who obviously started the original, I'm not thrilled about it

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Speaker 1: unless they just being so neat, like the first one

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Speaker 1: is flawless. We have that, and we still talk about

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Speaker 1: it all the time. It still gets referenced, people still

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Speaker 1: dress up in the look. People still trot out that

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Speaker 1: fallen out of the zeitgeis. But unless they've done something

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Speaker 1: so we need to move on. Well, everyone's like, well,

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Speaker 1: digital magazine. I was like, would you believe that's not

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Speaker 1: to change the outcome. So as we were talking about

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Speaker 1: Suddenly thirty, because we love that movie so much, everyone

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Speaker 1: who works in this podcast, because I'm talking about the

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Speaker 1: fact that throughout the movie, you're watching Mark Ruffalo and

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Speaker 1: Jennifer Garner's characters fall in love even though he's in

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Speaker 1: his grown man, adult body and she's an adult body,

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Speaker 1: but technically she's thirteen and they never hook up or anything,

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Speaker 1: but the sexual tension is there. Oh yeah, And we

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Speaker 1: were like, through some people's eyes problematic. Yeah, not our eyes. No,

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Speaker 1: not our eyes, because I can suspend disbelief because no one,

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Speaker 1: no thirteen year old has ever woken up in a

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Speaker 1: thirty year old body, but we know of and if

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Speaker 1: that has happened to you, please rune into the spils

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Speaker 1: and I'll feature on you can have a week of

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Speaker 1: no filter. But yes, we're not super worried about that happening,

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Speaker 1: is what we're trying to say. So then we started

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Speaker 1: talking about all the different rom com tropes that, like,

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Speaker 1: if you look too hard at them, they're a bit problematic,

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Speaker 1: but we secretly love them because they're set to beautiful

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Speaker 1: music and everyone ends up happy at the end and

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Speaker 1: everything's fine and is so good. So okay, you want

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Speaker 1: to kick us off with your problematic rom com and guys,

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Speaker 1: just just a note, let's all be cool here. We're

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Speaker 1: all friends here. Don't go off and be like, oh

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Speaker 1: but blah blah blah. He was her teacher, he was

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Speaker 1: her boss. No, like we know rom com Land real world. Yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: that only leads to bad things happening. Rom com Land

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Speaker 1: that that man had great intentions, absolutely, and he's lovely. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: to start off with a really obvious one. Okay, a

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Speaker 1: That all sounds fine, but like, let's not forget it

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Speaker 1: was a very very sanitized view of like life as

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Speaker 1: like America's Sweetheart. It does not get more America's sweetheart

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Speaker 1: than Julia Roberts with that megawatt smile, those legs to

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Speaker 1: Julia Roberts. Oh my god, I watched that movie like

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Speaker 1: know that those two were having sex. No, I did

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Speaker 1: I didn't really understand at all. Well, I especially didn't

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Speaker 1: understand because we had the vhs that my mum taped

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Speaker 1: the main sex scene on the piano. How was she

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Speaker 1: just pressed shop so by your mom? What's your mom's name.

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Speaker 1: What a great great mum names exactly. So I watched

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Speaker 1: So I thought, she just got to go live with

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Speaker 1: up for that life. Oh absolutely, Like it was like,

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Speaker 1: not so much to sex works stuff because I felt

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Speaker 1: a choice because she didn't have any money. No, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: I would still love to have that, you know, my dress.

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Speaker 1: she rescues him, right, but like what a load of

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Speaker 1: ship I know. I know. It's one of those things

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Speaker 1: Rodeo Drive was because of that film. Yes, I have

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Speaker 1: Oh so good. But yeah, because there's a power and balance.

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Speaker 1: It's just not realist, no note at all. But Pretty Woman,

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Speaker 1: a beautiful and they go to raffles exactly exactly, and

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Speaker 1: I only want him to go and make rom comms, Okay,

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00:20:36,914 --> 00:20:38,434
Speaker 1: all I want. If I could have him in like

423
00:20:38,434 --> 00:20:40,154
Speaker 1: every wrong com I would take it. Oh see, I

424
00:20:40,234 --> 00:20:43,514
Speaker 1: like him in a calm No, not so much wrong.

425
00:20:43,554 --> 00:20:45,274
Speaker 1: But then you know what, all of his coms still

426
00:20:45,314 --> 00:20:48,354
Speaker 1: have rom They all do. He's like he loves a romance.

427
00:20:48,914 --> 00:20:51,114
Speaker 1: I love that thing. Maybe it because he's so madly

428
00:20:51,114 --> 00:20:54,554
Speaker 1: in love with his wife and he's just a beautiful family.

429
00:20:54,674 --> 00:20:57,154
Speaker 1: Like I really really like him. I just don't want

430
00:20:57,154 --> 00:20:59,274
Speaker 1: to sleep with him, see I do, which is such

431
00:20:59,314 --> 00:21:01,394
Speaker 1: a you know, such a problem for me, because he's

432
00:21:01,394 --> 00:21:04,793
Speaker 1: obviously lighting up. You need to, you want to. I

433
00:21:04,794 --> 00:21:06,914
Speaker 1: think you can't enjoy a rom com unless you're like

434
00:21:06,954 --> 00:21:09,634
Speaker 1: a sexually attracted to the guy I think, or girl,

435
00:21:09,634 --> 00:21:11,634
Speaker 1: depending which way you go. I think that's why I

436
00:21:11,714 --> 00:21:14,554
Speaker 1: haven't rewatched fifty first, Like I watched it in the cinema,

437
00:21:14,754 --> 00:21:16,954
Speaker 1: enjoyed myself, and then I moved on with my life.

438
00:21:16,954 --> 00:21:19,234
Speaker 1: Oh well I didn't. I'm still there. You're still living there.

439
00:21:19,234 --> 00:21:21,154
Speaker 1: I'm going over and over again. I'm still in that

440
00:21:21,194 --> 00:21:25,194
Speaker 1: penguin enclosure, being like, oh what a man? Okay, hit

441
00:21:25,234 --> 00:21:28,794
Speaker 1: me with another one. Okay, well, let's talk about speaking

442
00:21:28,794 --> 00:21:31,514
Speaker 1: of manipulation, let's talk about how to lose a guy

443
00:21:31,514 --> 00:21:34,954
Speaker 1: in ten days. Really you think that's problematic. See, this

444
00:21:34,994 --> 00:21:36,114
Speaker 1: is the first time i'd agree with you. I don't

445
00:21:36,114 --> 00:21:38,634
Speaker 1: think's probably you don't think it's problematic. They both were lying,

446
00:21:38,674 --> 00:21:41,194
Speaker 1: equal lying, I know, So how is that a foundation

447
00:21:41,314 --> 00:21:45,074
Speaker 1: for a good relationship? But why is it like mutual

448
00:21:45,194 --> 00:21:49,033
Speaker 1: gas lighting? Like? Okay, well, I just think that they

449
00:21:49,074 --> 00:21:50,754
Speaker 1: were both so in the game. They both had them

450
00:21:50,754 --> 00:21:52,314
Speaker 1: to gain for it, and then they both sort of

451
00:21:52,354 --> 00:21:54,474
Speaker 1: went ahead the relationship knowing what had happened. Do you

452
00:21:54,514 --> 00:21:56,474
Speaker 1: know what I think is problematic in that movie is

453
00:21:56,554 --> 00:21:59,314
Speaker 1: how they getting each other. No, that that feels fair.

454
00:21:59,434 --> 00:22:02,194
Speaker 1: Actually they should have been madder. The only problematic thing

455
00:22:02,194 --> 00:22:04,794
Speaker 1: out of that movie is when that man takes what

456
00:22:04,874 --> 00:22:08,674
Speaker 1: he thinks is a clinically insane woman just stay with

457
00:22:08,714 --> 00:22:11,834
Speaker 1: his family for the weekend, because obviously, once they get

458
00:22:11,834 --> 00:22:14,034
Speaker 1: to his family home, that's the most romantic. Yes, they're

459
00:22:14,034 --> 00:22:16,594
Speaker 1: all the most romantic things. But when he takes her there,

460
00:22:16,994 --> 00:22:19,513
Speaker 1: he thinks she's batshit crazy, like to the point of

461
00:22:19,554 --> 00:22:22,914
Speaker 1: being dangerous, and he has this sweet little family living

462
00:22:22,914 --> 00:22:24,674
Speaker 1: out of the city, and so he takes the crazy

463
00:22:24,674 --> 00:22:27,674
Speaker 1: woman to stay in their home. Again, in any other world,

464
00:22:27,674 --> 00:22:30,514
Speaker 1: that's a horror movie because she kills them all. It's

465
00:22:30,594 --> 00:22:32,674
Speaker 1: just because it was Kate Hudson. That didn't happen. But

466
00:22:32,794 --> 00:22:35,834
Speaker 1: like that is insane, Like it's not problematic in a way,

467
00:22:35,914 --> 00:22:38,554
Speaker 1: or I'm like, this shouldn't have happened, right, Yeah, I'd

468
00:22:38,594 --> 00:22:41,314
Speaker 1: be down to even do that, But I do think

469
00:22:41,354 --> 00:22:46,954
Speaker 1: that like that whole idea of just lying, Yeah, I'm

470
00:22:48,034 --> 00:22:51,114
Speaker 1: as a premise for getting together and manipulating each other

471
00:22:51,154 --> 00:22:52,553
Speaker 1: and all of that, Like, I don't know, it's like

472
00:22:52,554 --> 00:22:55,634
Speaker 1: the mind games. It's cruel. So here's a question. Do

473
00:22:55,714 --> 00:22:58,154
Speaker 1: you think that they were both equally problematic in the

474
00:22:58,194 --> 00:23:00,194
Speaker 1: way that they came in with their like different plots,

475
00:23:00,234 --> 00:23:03,594
Speaker 1: or do you think one Well, because because I side

476
00:23:03,634 --> 00:23:06,954
Speaker 1: with her, because I love her and I'm I'm a

477
00:23:07,354 --> 00:23:11,554
Speaker 1: girl's girl. Whomen are rom comms can make terrible decisions,

478
00:23:12,234 --> 00:23:14,394
Speaker 1: I must be on their side. We are on their side.

479
00:23:14,434 --> 00:23:17,234
Speaker 1: I was on Kate Hudson's side. She was fine. I

480
00:23:17,314 --> 00:23:19,394
Speaker 1: didn't even think that what she did was that crazy,

481
00:23:19,474 --> 00:23:22,194
Speaker 1: except maybe when she merged their faces into the ugly baby.

482
00:23:22,354 --> 00:23:24,594
Speaker 1: That's crazy. But it's not like the thing is like

483
00:23:24,634 --> 00:23:27,954
Speaker 1: I always thought his plot was slightly worse, no matter

484
00:23:28,394 --> 00:23:30,273
Speaker 1: more insidious. Well, just because she was just going to

485
00:23:30,354 --> 00:23:32,434
Speaker 1: go on a bad date with a guy, and at

486
00:23:32,474 --> 00:23:34,194
Speaker 1: first she was going to be super annoying and any

487
00:23:34,234 --> 00:23:35,634
Speaker 1: other guy would have just left him, being like and

488
00:23:35,674 --> 00:23:37,354
Speaker 1: then you're just a guy who had a bad date

489
00:23:37,674 --> 00:23:39,714
Speaker 1: where he was going to make a woman fall involved

490
00:23:39,754 --> 00:23:42,354
Speaker 1: with him, and then Zach dump, there we go. It

491
00:23:42,474 --> 00:23:46,074
Speaker 1: is problematic. We're just and it is It's true I

492
00:23:46,154 --> 00:23:48,234
Speaker 1: think he had, like, if it happened there was more

493
00:23:48,314 --> 00:23:50,954
Speaker 1: mal intent on it hadn't been Kate Hudson's character, if

494
00:23:50,994 --> 00:23:53,634
Speaker 1: it hadn't been Andy Anderson, then Benjamin Barry would have

495
00:23:53,634 --> 00:23:57,114
Speaker 1: been the worst. Such a good name, Andy Anderson and

496
00:23:57,194 --> 00:23:59,594
Speaker 1: Benjamin Barry. If that had been something else, and you

497
00:23:59,634 --> 00:24:01,194
Speaker 1: thought you fell madly in love with this guy and

498
00:24:01,274 --> 00:24:02,834
Speaker 1: then after a week he's like, sorry, that was just

499
00:24:02,874 --> 00:24:06,074
Speaker 1: a bet. You would be traumatized for life. Whereas a guy,

500
00:24:06,074 --> 00:24:08,033
Speaker 1: I'd be like, oh, some one of this crazy date

501
00:24:08,074 --> 00:24:09,513
Speaker 1: with a girl and she dis did it from a

502
00:24:09,554 --> 00:24:13,754
Speaker 1: magazine article, but one night verse falling in love. Very

503
00:24:13,794 --> 00:24:16,874
Speaker 1: different things, I see how I can. And one romance

504
00:24:16,914 --> 00:24:19,033
Speaker 1: involved in one is just like having a soda at

505
00:24:19,034 --> 00:24:21,474
Speaker 1: a basketball game and you know what else? Yeah, do

506
00:24:21,514 --> 00:24:26,554
Speaker 1: you know what was really dumb? What the slogan frost yourself? Yeah,

507
00:24:26,594 --> 00:24:30,394
Speaker 1: it's not good like that, like that being his like

508
00:24:30,554 --> 00:24:33,954
Speaker 1: big swing. Yeah, it was bad. I think it was

509
00:24:33,994 --> 00:24:35,914
Speaker 1: bad at his job. To be a man, I wasn't

510
00:24:35,914 --> 00:24:39,474
Speaker 1: saying the elergy thousands, but anytime really to be a man, yeah,

511
00:24:39,594 --> 00:24:42,513
Speaker 1: definitely in the early two thousands, definitely, but like have

512
00:24:42,634 --> 00:24:44,553
Speaker 1: one idea to be a man and have one idea

513
00:24:44,714 --> 00:24:47,074
Speaker 1: and for it and like smash it out of the park.

514
00:24:47,274 --> 00:24:49,954
Speaker 1: I know, look redemption for the duties who are out

515
00:24:49,994 --> 00:24:51,834
Speaker 1: there on the streets doing the work. The two women

516
00:24:51,914 --> 00:24:54,234
Speaker 1: he was working against, who out there actually doing the work. Yeah,

517
00:24:54,554 --> 00:24:58,954
Speaker 1: he came in and stole their campaign. What a villain.

518
00:24:58,994 --> 00:25:01,154
Speaker 1: All Right, we're moving through a few more. Okay, this

519
00:25:01,354 --> 00:25:05,194
Speaker 1: is mine. That's could be more of a romantic drama,

520
00:25:05,314 --> 00:25:08,074
Speaker 1: but it's also a romantic comedy. Even googled Top one

521
00:25:08,154 --> 00:25:10,273
Speaker 1: hundred Romantic Comedies of all time to make sure this

522
00:25:10,394 --> 00:25:11,714
Speaker 1: is on the list, to make sure it was legit.

523
00:25:12,434 --> 00:25:14,754
Speaker 1: I had to do the same for Jawbreaker because you're like,

524
00:25:15,154 --> 00:25:16,914
Speaker 1: you know, then I found a few where it was

525
00:25:16,954 --> 00:25:18,353
Speaker 1: not on it, and then I'm like, oh, now I've

526
00:25:18,394 --> 00:25:21,714
Speaker 1: found one. So yeah, I have say, I've never seen

527
00:25:21,754 --> 00:25:24,514
Speaker 1: any list that Jawbreaker is a romantic comedy, but sure

528
00:25:25,154 --> 00:25:27,434
Speaker 1: Swings and Missus. Okay. So this is a movie that

529
00:25:27,514 --> 00:25:29,994
Speaker 1: came out in two thousand and seven and it's called Waitress.

530
00:25:30,554 --> 00:25:32,954
Speaker 1: Oh okay, a movie, or you see the musical. Well,

531
00:25:32,994 --> 00:25:35,074
Speaker 1: I know I've seen the movie and I will see

532
00:25:35,114 --> 00:25:39,514
Speaker 1: the musical soon. I love the musical and I listened

533
00:25:39,514 --> 00:25:40,794
Speaker 1: to the soundtrack all the time. But I like the

534
00:25:40,834 --> 00:25:42,194
Speaker 1: movie a lot. I think for a lot of people

535
00:25:42,314 --> 00:25:45,594
Speaker 1: the movie is the touchstone and it became such a

536
00:25:45,714 --> 00:25:48,474
Speaker 1: huge hit also like a cult classic, which is why

537
00:25:48,594 --> 00:25:51,154
Speaker 1: Sarah Burrows wrote the musical for it. See I watched

538
00:25:51,154 --> 00:25:54,034
Speaker 1: it really recently because we had Sarah Barelli's on No

539
00:25:54,194 --> 00:25:57,954
Speaker 1: Filter not that long ago. And we've actually got nat

540
00:25:57,994 --> 00:26:00,634
Speaker 1: Bass coming on next ways in the New Waitress, so

541
00:26:00,954 --> 00:26:02,594
Speaker 1: we've talked about it with her too, So it's a

542
00:26:02,634 --> 00:26:04,434
Speaker 1: top of mine for everyone at the time of mine.

543
00:26:04,594 --> 00:26:07,513
Speaker 1: So it came out in two thousand and seven, and

544
00:26:07,594 --> 00:26:09,594
Speaker 1: it stars Kerrie Russell, who I guess peop would know

545
00:26:09,634 --> 00:26:12,754
Speaker 1: from Felicity, Yes, the Americans and the time she got

546
00:26:12,794 --> 00:26:15,714
Speaker 1: a haircut in Felicity exactly one of the better Mission

547
00:26:15,714 --> 00:26:17,754
Speaker 1: Impossible movies. I watched that in a plane recently, Like

548
00:26:17,794 --> 00:26:19,194
Speaker 1: this is the best one with Kerry Russell on it,

549
00:26:19,274 --> 00:26:21,874
Speaker 1: and she has the best Depp. I mean, we don't

550
00:26:21,874 --> 00:26:23,634
Speaker 1: have time for this today, but I'm intrigued why you

551
00:26:23,714 --> 00:26:26,634
Speaker 1: chose another Mission Impossible movie to watch? Oh No, I

552
00:26:26,714 --> 00:26:28,954
Speaker 1: watched all the Mission Impossible movies on the plane. I

553
00:26:28,994 --> 00:26:30,634
Speaker 1: think a good plane movies because it's Okay, if you

554
00:26:30,674 --> 00:26:32,234
Speaker 1: fall asleep, you pick broke back up and you're like

555
00:26:32,394 --> 00:26:35,034
Speaker 1: Tom Cruise, still climbing something. I didn't have to rewind

556
00:26:35,074 --> 00:26:36,834
Speaker 1: it even though I fell asleep. I've missed nothing. Nothing.

557
00:26:38,394 --> 00:26:41,474
Speaker 1: So Carrie Russell plays a waitress living in a tiny

558
00:26:41,514 --> 00:26:45,034
Speaker 1: American town called Jenna, and she worked at this diner.

559
00:26:45,114 --> 00:26:46,634
Speaker 1: She's really close with all the rest of the stuff,

560
00:26:46,674 --> 00:26:48,474
Speaker 1: but the rest of her life outside the diner is

561
00:26:48,554 --> 00:26:51,114
Speaker 1: very empty. She lost her mother many years ago that

562
00:26:51,194 --> 00:26:53,634
Speaker 1: she was very close to. She's married to a terrible

563
00:26:53,714 --> 00:26:57,434
Speaker 1: man called Earl who's abusive and alcoholic. But she's really

564
00:26:57,514 --> 00:27:00,154
Speaker 1: good at making pies. Her and mum's got up. But

565
00:27:00,314 --> 00:27:03,714
Speaker 1: it's okay because she's really really good at me because

566
00:27:03,834 --> 00:27:06,634
Speaker 1: boy can this woman make a pie. And that's actually

567
00:27:06,674 --> 00:27:08,834
Speaker 1: gonna help her out later in the story. So she

568
00:27:08,954 --> 00:27:10,833
Speaker 1: makes all the pies for the diner because she grew

569
00:27:10,914 --> 00:27:13,274
Speaker 1: up making with her mum and baking is her happy place,

570
00:27:13,794 --> 00:27:15,754
Speaker 1: and she names She makes a different pie for the

571
00:27:15,834 --> 00:27:19,434
Speaker 1: diner every day and gives them crazy names that likely

572
00:27:19,474 --> 00:27:21,434
Speaker 1: it's really weird to say that loud that relate to

573
00:27:21,474 --> 00:27:24,234
Speaker 1: things going on in her life. So when she finds

574
00:27:24,274 --> 00:27:26,394
Speaker 1: out that she's pregnant to her abusive husbands, which she's

575
00:27:26,434 --> 00:27:28,514
Speaker 1: really upset about because she wants to leave him. She can't.

576
00:27:28,754 --> 00:27:30,513
Speaker 1: Then she finds out she's pregnant to him, so she

577
00:27:30,594 --> 00:27:32,914
Speaker 1: makes the bad baby pie because she's like, hates the baby.

578
00:27:33,314 --> 00:27:36,034
Speaker 1: It's a whole thing. Why it's a rom com is

579
00:27:38,114 --> 00:27:41,593
Speaker 1: that she goes to her obstetrician who is a new man,

580
00:27:41,674 --> 00:27:44,234
Speaker 1: a new obstrician who's just moved to town because his wife,

581
00:27:44,314 --> 00:27:47,314
Speaker 1: so he's married as is. She has got a residency there,

582
00:27:47,354 --> 00:27:49,914
Speaker 1: and she starts seeing Jim, the obstrarician, and Jim is

583
00:27:49,954 --> 00:27:52,674
Speaker 1: lovely and he's so kind to her. He's kind turn

584
00:27:52,754 --> 00:27:55,074
Speaker 1: away no one else has been. And Jenna and Jim

585
00:27:55,434 --> 00:27:57,954
Speaker 1: start to fall in love and they start having an affair.

586
00:27:58,474 --> 00:28:01,314
Speaker 1: But it's a very romantic affair because they're both in love.

587
00:28:01,834 --> 00:28:03,874
Speaker 1: There's a few issues here that make it problematic, which

588
00:28:03,874 --> 00:28:05,314
Speaker 1: you probably don't need me to spell out to you,

589
00:28:05,474 --> 00:28:07,754
Speaker 1: but I will just say. There's even a song in

590
00:28:07,914 --> 00:28:11,634
Speaker 1: the classic Broadway musical Waitress where they outline all the

591
00:28:11,754 --> 00:28:14,674
Speaker 1: reasons they shouldn't be together while they're kissing on stage

592
00:28:14,714 --> 00:28:17,554
Speaker 1: and falling in love. So she says to him you've

593
00:28:17,594 --> 00:28:20,194
Speaker 1: got a wife, to which he replies, and you've got

594
00:28:20,194 --> 00:28:23,434
Speaker 1: a husband. And then she says, you're my doctor, and

595
00:28:23,554 --> 00:28:27,754
Speaker 1: he says, and you've got a baby coming, like you've

596
00:28:27,794 --> 00:28:29,834
Speaker 1: got a baby coming. And they're like, well, let's just

597
00:28:29,874 --> 00:28:32,034
Speaker 1: keep kissing till we come to and they start kissing again.

598
00:28:32,074 --> 00:28:33,914
Speaker 1: And I saw it in Broadway in New York with

599
00:28:34,074 --> 00:28:36,474
Speaker 1: my sister, who's an obstetrician. At that point, she put

600
00:28:36,474 --> 00:28:38,514
Speaker 1: her head in her hand. She's like, this is so bad.

601
00:28:38,554 --> 00:28:41,034
Speaker 1: I can't watch this. Like that's the worst thing you

602
00:28:41,074 --> 00:28:43,394
Speaker 1: can do for an obstrician who's like just been treating

603
00:28:43,474 --> 00:28:46,034
Speaker 1: you medically. I mean, there's a good time for a

604
00:28:46,074 --> 00:28:47,874
Speaker 1: doctor to be hooked up with a patient, but like,

605
00:28:48,114 --> 00:28:52,674
Speaker 1: especially a male obstetrician. You know what, I remember that

606
00:28:52,754 --> 00:28:58,594
Speaker 1: this is actually hot. No, well okay, wait, maybe you're

607
00:28:58,634 --> 00:29:01,714
Speaker 1: like I've also hooked up with my doctor. So so

608
00:29:03,314 --> 00:29:06,954
Speaker 1: growing up, I always remember my mom saying that like

609
00:29:07,674 --> 00:29:10,354
Speaker 1: her and her friends all fell in love with their obstrictions.

610
00:29:10,394 --> 00:29:12,554
Speaker 1: My mum actually didn't, I want to be clear. Yeah,

611
00:29:12,714 --> 00:29:16,634
Speaker 1: she said she had an obstitution that was a lot older.

612
00:29:18,634 --> 00:29:23,954
Speaker 1: She said he had sausage. Well maybe she was like, no,

613
00:29:23,994 --> 00:29:26,634
Speaker 1: I wanted ugly obstricians. Yeah, but she said that there

614
00:29:26,674 --> 00:29:29,994
Speaker 1: were some hot obstetricians around town at that time, and

615
00:29:30,154 --> 00:29:31,874
Speaker 1: she was like, no, no, no, because a lot of

616
00:29:31,914 --> 00:29:34,874
Speaker 1: her friends kept falling in love with their obstetricians. Yeah. Wow,

617
00:29:35,954 --> 00:29:39,714
Speaker 1: a hot bed on Sydney's Northern Beaches in the eighties

618
00:29:39,754 --> 00:29:44,314
Speaker 1: and nineties. I mean, yeah, well, yes, of hot obstritions. Now.

619
00:29:44,354 --> 00:29:48,314
Speaker 1: I always thought that was really creepy, really really really creepy,

620
00:29:48,914 --> 00:29:54,074
Speaker 1: until until so I accompanied my sister to one of

621
00:29:54,114 --> 00:29:57,354
Speaker 1: her obstetrician appointments, and I thought it was really hot.

622
00:29:57,794 --> 00:30:01,714
Speaker 1: That's okay, Yeah, that's what you thinking. Just a male

623
00:30:01,754 --> 00:30:03,954
Speaker 1: out in the world who's not your doctor. And to

624
00:30:04,034 --> 00:30:06,034
Speaker 1: be fair, I said to her, if I ever had

625
00:30:06,074 --> 00:30:09,234
Speaker 1: a baby, yeah, I couldn't. I couldn't see him. As

626
00:30:09,234 --> 00:30:11,234
Speaker 1: long as you jump him in the office, you're fine. Okay,

627
00:30:11,434 --> 00:30:13,074
Speaker 1: You're allowed to think a man that you come across

628
00:30:13,114 --> 00:30:15,434
Speaker 1: as hot. Again, he's not your doctor, true, but I

629
00:30:16,154 --> 00:30:20,234
Speaker 1: understood in that moment it could happen. It could happen. Yeah. Yeah,

630
00:30:21,114 --> 00:30:24,394
Speaker 1: so I do sympathetic. It's different than actually examining you

631
00:30:24,874 --> 00:30:27,194
Speaker 1: to your just in the room. Yeah, I mean, look,

632
00:30:27,314 --> 00:30:29,754
Speaker 1: but it's a weird area. But also I think for her,

633
00:30:30,154 --> 00:30:32,554
Speaker 1: she has this abusive husband, then she has this nice

634
00:30:32,594 --> 00:30:38,674
Speaker 1: man she meets who anyone else, not anyone else, no

635
00:30:38,754 --> 00:30:42,074
Speaker 1: one in my family. So I think, you know, but

636
00:30:42,154 --> 00:30:45,194
Speaker 1: that's problematic in itself. It is, and they again, there's

637
00:30:45,194 --> 00:30:46,754
Speaker 1: a whole song about it in the musical, not in

638
00:30:46,794 --> 00:30:48,754
Speaker 1: the movie, but in the movie they really talk about

639
00:30:48,754 --> 00:30:50,394
Speaker 1: it being such a problematic thing. But also you want

640
00:30:50,434 --> 00:30:52,634
Speaker 1: them to fall in love. It's so funny. Falling over

641
00:30:52,674 --> 00:30:54,994
Speaker 1: with the hot doctor is. I've never experienced it, but like,

642
00:30:55,074 --> 00:30:56,594
Speaker 1: literally the other day, I had to drink with a friend.

643
00:30:56,634 --> 00:30:58,474
Speaker 1: She's like, oh, I've got back to my doctor. But

644
00:30:58,714 --> 00:31:00,514
Speaker 1: he's a new and he's so hot. And I was like,

645
00:31:00,634 --> 00:31:02,754
Speaker 1: oh okay, and in my hand, like that's a big deal.

646
00:31:02,794 --> 00:31:04,634
Speaker 1: She goes, oh, but I just checked and he's married,

647
00:31:04,674 --> 00:31:07,554
Speaker 1: and I'm like, so are you. Is that not a

648
00:31:07,634 --> 00:31:11,314
Speaker 1: bigger barrier? You know? There are loads of doctors. That's

649
00:31:11,314 --> 00:31:14,594
Speaker 1: why they've got photographs of their families in their like clinics,

650
00:31:14,674 --> 00:31:17,594
Speaker 1: because real, yes, that is a fact. In case a

651
00:31:17,594 --> 00:31:20,074
Speaker 1: woman sounds looking too intense, I just turned the photo around,

652
00:31:20,754 --> 00:31:23,234
Speaker 1: got them on display, and like they hang up their

653
00:31:23,314 --> 00:31:26,034
Speaker 1: kids like artworks and stuff, so that it's like clear

654
00:31:26,154 --> 00:31:30,394
Speaker 1: that they've got families. It's common talk into a doctor

655
00:31:30,994 --> 00:31:33,314
Speaker 1: you're gonna look a family. I'm just gonna lean over

656
00:31:33,314 --> 00:31:35,634
Speaker 1: and put the phote down, like I'm actually not interested.

657
00:31:35,714 --> 00:31:38,194
Speaker 1: So don't even play that on it. Yeah, I don't

658
00:31:38,194 --> 00:31:41,154
Speaker 1: need to see your family photo. Yeah, wow, I'm here

659
00:31:41,194 --> 00:31:44,434
Speaker 1: for my script exactly. Just give my travel medicine and

660
00:31:44,514 --> 00:31:47,314
Speaker 1: let me go. So, yeah, General and Jim in one

661
00:31:47,314 --> 00:31:49,314
Speaker 1: of those Really I won't spoil what happens because I

662
00:31:49,354 --> 00:31:50,874
Speaker 1: feel like it's one of those movies that people really

663
00:31:50,914 --> 00:31:52,914
Speaker 1: have to watch and it it does have a very

664
00:31:52,994 --> 00:31:55,874
Speaker 1: happy ending, just maybe not the ending you're expecting. But

665
00:31:56,074 --> 00:31:58,234
Speaker 1: it's very interesting because there's a lot of rom com

666
00:31:58,394 --> 00:32:01,874
Speaker 1: couples that their obstacle is just they haven't communicated, Like

667
00:32:01,994 --> 00:32:04,074
Speaker 1: they haven't told the person that they're riding with them

668
00:32:04,114 --> 00:32:06,394
Speaker 1: from a magazine, or they haven't told them my family

669
00:32:06,474 --> 00:32:08,314
Speaker 1: is rich, and it's like this could all be cleared

670
00:32:08,314 --> 00:32:11,114
Speaker 1: away with one conversation. The love story of Raiteress not

671
00:32:11,194 --> 00:32:13,794
Speaker 1: so much because they're both married to other people. He's

672
00:32:13,954 --> 00:32:16,474
Speaker 1: her doctor, which he could get fired for, plus a

673
00:32:16,554 --> 00:32:19,394
Speaker 1: load of other things. She's also having a baby that

674
00:32:19,634 --> 00:32:22,314
Speaker 1: she feels very stressed about. She's in a financially like

675
00:32:22,434 --> 00:32:25,794
Speaker 1: trapped relationship. He also doesn't want to leave his wife.

676
00:32:26,034 --> 00:32:27,714
Speaker 1: She wants to leave her husband. There's a lot of

677
00:32:27,794 --> 00:32:30,514
Speaker 1: obstacles there that can't be solved with one conversation. So

678
00:32:30,594 --> 00:32:33,634
Speaker 1: it's problematic on many levels. Yeah, but god, is it

679
00:32:33,674 --> 00:32:37,594
Speaker 1: a gorgeous romantic movie. Yeah? Yeah, and the musical as well. Oh,

680
00:32:37,714 --> 00:32:39,754
Speaker 1: the musical. I listen to that soundtrack at least once

681
00:32:39,794 --> 00:32:42,634
Speaker 1: a week, sometimes multiple times a week. I love just

682
00:32:42,714 --> 00:32:45,274
Speaker 1: before when you said it as well, like, oh, the

683
00:32:45,354 --> 00:32:49,034
Speaker 1: problems communication, like they haven't told them like a rich family.

684
00:32:49,074 --> 00:32:52,434
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, oh the horror. Yeah, the horror. You're

685
00:32:53,194 --> 00:32:55,114
Speaker 1: exactly other comments, You're like, oh no, we could just

686
00:32:55,154 --> 00:32:57,194
Speaker 1: fix this in five seconds if everyone just talked to

687
00:32:57,274 --> 00:33:01,594
Speaker 1: each other. Waitress, not so much. No, Na, it's more layered.

688
00:33:01,834 --> 00:33:03,914
Speaker 1: It's more layered, but we love it all right, what's

689
00:33:03,994 --> 00:33:05,794
Speaker 1: your next one? So the next one I want to

690
00:33:05,834 --> 00:33:10,754
Speaker 1: talk about is twenty seven dresses? Oh? Interesting? Yes? So

691
00:33:11,154 --> 00:33:17,994
Speaker 1: the reason why is because the male lead, beautiful James Marsden, gorgeous, gorgeous,

692
00:33:18,074 --> 00:33:21,674
Speaker 1: so gorgeous in this day, gorgeous to this day, he

693
00:33:21,794 --> 00:33:25,354
Speaker 1: reads her private diary. Yeah, that's not great is it

694
00:33:25,594 --> 00:33:29,354
Speaker 1: publishes it the details of it for the world to consume.

695
00:33:29,674 --> 00:33:31,394
Speaker 1: I had kind of flocked that out a little bit.

696
00:33:31,474 --> 00:33:33,034
Speaker 1: That's in this movie a thousand times. It's not like

697
00:33:33,074 --> 00:33:34,754
Speaker 1: I forgot I just kind of in my head, I've

698
00:33:34,794 --> 00:33:36,674
Speaker 1: skated over that because in my head he writes that

699
00:33:36,754 --> 00:33:38,714
Speaker 1: story about her. But you're right, he gets it from her.

700
00:33:38,874 --> 00:33:43,314
Speaker 1: He gets a diary, so he like ingests her personal

701
00:33:43,434 --> 00:33:46,074
Speaker 1: thoughts that she like people keep a diary for themselves.

702
00:33:46,434 --> 00:33:49,594
Speaker 1: They're so like Earnest in their diary with the intent

703
00:33:49,674 --> 00:33:51,274
Speaker 1: that it's never going to be read by the world.

704
00:33:51,954 --> 00:33:54,954
Speaker 1: And while they're kind of got this chemistry going and

705
00:33:55,034 --> 00:33:57,914
Speaker 1: all of this. He then uses that for his story.

706
00:33:57,994 --> 00:33:59,794
Speaker 1: But he still gets the girl. Of course, he does

707
00:33:59,834 --> 00:34:01,994
Speaker 1: get the girl kind in his defense, because you know

708
00:34:02,074 --> 00:34:04,954
Speaker 1: what I love doing this podcast is defend a problematic

709
00:34:04,994 --> 00:34:07,994
Speaker 1: white man. Bonus points. If they're rich, he's not in

710
00:34:08,074 --> 00:34:11,634
Speaker 1: this bonus bonus points so hot, she's hot and famous

711
00:34:11,674 --> 00:34:16,473
Speaker 1: and rich. I'll defend them to my das really problematic. Yeah,

712
00:34:16,874 --> 00:34:19,034
Speaker 1: that goes without saying everything I've said in this podcast

713
00:34:19,154 --> 00:34:23,074
Speaker 1: is so wildly problematic. These conversations. These conversations are just

714
00:34:23,154 --> 00:34:25,634
Speaker 1: for the spillers. They get it. We can't put it

715
00:34:25,674 --> 00:34:28,474
Speaker 1: on TikTok people. They would understand. In his defense, he

716
00:34:28,634 --> 00:34:30,914
Speaker 1: tries to pull the story right and his editor publishes

717
00:34:30,954 --> 00:34:33,234
Speaker 1: it without his permission. He wrote it, though he still

718
00:34:33,274 --> 00:34:34,714
Speaker 1: wrote it, but he tried. I'm just saying at the

719
00:34:34,794 --> 00:34:39,034
Speaker 1: last minute, trying to so that you don't go, oh

720
00:34:39,114 --> 00:34:43,994
Speaker 1: my god, it was an absolute villain I know. And

721
00:34:44,114 --> 00:34:46,433
Speaker 1: also like she really starts to fall in love with him,

722
00:34:46,434 --> 00:34:48,473
Speaker 1: and he the whole time he's just using her. Well,

723
00:34:48,514 --> 00:34:50,433
Speaker 1: the thing is she knows, let me defend him again,

724
00:34:50,714 --> 00:34:55,834
Speaker 1: he is by all me a story, So she's just

725
00:34:55,874 --> 00:34:57,473
Speaker 1: trying to kind of give them access. But I guess

726
00:34:57,514 --> 00:34:59,914
Speaker 1: she doesn't know the extent of what the story is

727
00:34:59,954 --> 00:35:03,234
Speaker 1: going to be. Yes, yeah, she thinks he's more profund.

728
00:35:03,754 --> 00:35:06,474
Speaker 1: Do you think you would feel if that happened to you?

729
00:35:06,794 --> 00:35:08,913
Speaker 1: You know how money will change a story, so will

730
00:35:08,914 --> 00:35:11,393
Speaker 1: a nice face. If that was an ugly looking man,

731
00:35:11,394 --> 00:35:13,234
Speaker 1: I'd be like, you're a villain. If it was James

732
00:35:13,314 --> 00:35:15,674
Speaker 1: Marsden and we had just sung Bending the Jets together

733
00:35:15,714 --> 00:35:18,194
Speaker 1: at a bar drop, which is and clicked up in

734
00:35:18,234 --> 00:35:22,834
Speaker 1: the car, absolutely great song. Yeah, great outfits a montage

735
00:35:22,914 --> 00:35:25,754
Speaker 1: like that movie does a montage in the summer, like

736
00:35:25,874 --> 00:35:29,834
Speaker 1: you through the Streets. Yeah. Oh, do you know what

737
00:35:29,954 --> 00:35:31,873
Speaker 1: I'm going to spend my weekend doing watching all these

738
00:35:31,954 --> 00:35:35,154
Speaker 1: problematic movies, problematic movies and absolutely loving them, and just

739
00:35:35,514 --> 00:35:37,234
Speaker 1: that's I think that's one of the reasons why we

740
00:35:37,314 --> 00:35:39,154
Speaker 1: talk so much about why the fact that we can't

741
00:35:39,194 --> 00:35:41,714
Speaker 1: make good rom coms nowadays? And I think it's because

742
00:35:41,714 --> 00:35:44,274
Speaker 1: they're so worried about offending people. I don't want to

743
00:35:44,314 --> 00:35:45,794
Speaker 1: be like those people who like, you can't take a joke,

744
00:35:45,834 --> 00:35:49,474
Speaker 1: but like sometimes you have to like suspend your disbelief. Also,

745
00:35:49,594 --> 00:35:52,434
Speaker 1: all these movies we've talked about, super high production value,

746
00:35:52,834 --> 00:35:55,514
Speaker 1: super incredible scripts. No one was phoning it in for

747
00:35:55,594 --> 00:35:57,473
Speaker 1: a Netflix movie. And also a lot of these people

748
00:35:57,514 --> 00:36:01,674
Speaker 1: are movie stars, Oscar winners, big like heads of studio movies,

749
00:36:01,834 --> 00:36:05,234
Speaker 1: Like you know, it takes a very incredible actor to

750
00:36:05,354 --> 00:36:07,674
Speaker 1: pull up a rom com. Yeah, absolutely, Which leads me

751
00:36:07,794 --> 00:36:11,033
Speaker 1: to my last and probably most problematic out of all these. Ooh,

752
00:36:11,994 --> 00:36:13,754
Speaker 1: and this is one. Even when I was watching it

753
00:36:13,834 --> 00:36:17,154
Speaker 1: as a child, a little child in the nineties, I went, oh,

754
00:36:17,594 --> 00:36:20,714
Speaker 1: is that okay? I guess so, but yeah, interesting it's

755
00:36:20,794 --> 00:36:23,274
Speaker 1: Never Been Kissed, which came out in nineteen ninety nine.

756
00:36:23,434 --> 00:36:26,154
Speaker 1: I was just about to say, I reckon, I know what. Yeah,

757
00:36:26,674 --> 00:36:30,913
Speaker 1: let you guess never Been Kissed. Yeah, Drew Barrymore, queen

758
00:36:30,954 --> 00:36:33,274
Speaker 1: of rom coms. I think out of rom comms, it's

759
00:36:33,314 --> 00:36:37,234
Speaker 1: like for me, it's Drew Barrymore, Kate Hudson, and Meg Ryan.

760
00:36:37,834 --> 00:36:42,034
Speaker 1: Yeah might be my three. Yeah, I think they're just

761
00:36:42,114 --> 00:36:43,834
Speaker 1: the ones that just maybe they're the ones who got

762
00:36:43,834 --> 00:36:47,714
Speaker 1: all the good script. No, Julia Roberts, because my favorite

763
00:36:47,794 --> 00:36:49,634
Speaker 1: is not in Hill of Course, which is not not

764
00:36:49,714 --> 00:36:51,554
Speaker 1: problematic at all, which is why it's not on this list. No,

765
00:36:51,674 --> 00:36:53,993
Speaker 1: it's not perfect from the start to finish. She made

766
00:36:53,994 --> 00:36:56,234
Speaker 1: all the right choices. Everyone in that movie made all

767
00:36:56,274 --> 00:37:00,194
Speaker 1: the right choices. So Drew Barrymore plays, of course a reporter,

768
00:37:00,554 --> 00:37:03,234
Speaker 1: but this time she's I think. Actually, when I got

769
00:37:03,274 --> 00:37:06,754
Speaker 1: into my media girl job, I was more Josy than Andy,

770
00:37:06,794 --> 00:37:09,154
Speaker 1: and because I was also working in a newspaper and

771
00:37:09,274 --> 00:37:12,794
Speaker 1: also probably wasn't very chic. So when you're working in

772
00:37:12,834 --> 00:37:15,714
Speaker 1: a newspaper, where was it. I worked in newspapers up

773
00:37:15,754 --> 00:37:17,674
Speaker 1: until I joined my beer. Yeah, I was it here

774
00:37:17,714 --> 00:37:21,554
Speaker 1: in Sydney. God, no newspapers. You never heard of the

775
00:37:21,594 --> 00:37:25,234
Speaker 1: Dolby Herald. No, no one's heard of the Oh no no,

776
00:37:25,354 --> 00:37:27,594
Speaker 1: we had like fifty copies. I used to deliver them myself.

777
00:37:28,034 --> 00:37:31,434
Speaker 1: Dolby Herald, Timber Chronicle, Northern Daily News, out my paper's

778
00:37:31,554 --> 00:37:34,714
Speaker 1: career mail. I got up there. Yeah, yeah, no, I

779
00:37:34,874 --> 00:37:37,154
Speaker 1: was little town newspapers. At least she's working in a

780
00:37:37,234 --> 00:37:41,154
Speaker 1: metro newspaper. She is. She's like, if you're gonna be

781
00:37:41,194 --> 00:37:43,393
Speaker 1: Josie Grocy work at a metro, I don't be like

782
00:37:43,994 --> 00:37:46,953
Speaker 1: Josie Grocy working at the Dolby Herald. Also my first job.

783
00:37:46,994 --> 00:37:49,234
Speaker 1: Thanks for my start, it's what got me here. As

784
00:37:49,314 --> 00:37:51,553
Speaker 1: if they still exist, I don't know who you're thinking. Yeah,

785
00:37:51,634 --> 00:37:55,194
Speaker 1: I actually way they still exist. Okay, I'll check that.

786
00:37:58,834 --> 00:38:01,514
Speaker 1: The first five magazines I worked at don't even know.

787
00:38:02,074 --> 00:38:05,754
Speaker 1: But like sometimes regional newspapers, they have short it doesn't

788
00:38:05,994 --> 00:38:08,754
Speaker 1: stay tuned. I'm sure everyone everyone. I'm googling Dobby Harald

789
00:38:10,434 --> 00:38:14,794
Speaker 1: so drew Bymole plays Josie, who is a copy editor and,

790
00:38:15,114 --> 00:38:17,314
Speaker 1: as her boss says, the best copy editor out of

791
00:38:17,394 --> 00:38:19,394
Speaker 1: all of them. She really wants to be a journalist

792
00:38:19,394 --> 00:38:20,994
Speaker 1: and He's like, you can't get out there in the

793
00:38:21,114 --> 00:38:23,393
Speaker 1: rough and tumble, like you can't deliver a story. And

794
00:38:23,394 --> 00:38:25,674
Speaker 1: as someone who uses to be a news journalist, it

795
00:38:25,794 --> 00:38:27,354
Speaker 1: is rough and tumble. Let me tell you that it's

796
00:38:27,354 --> 00:38:29,554
Speaker 1: not for the saint of heart. So she was like,

797
00:38:29,594 --> 00:38:31,194
Speaker 1: but I really want it. So then they need someone

798
00:38:31,274 --> 00:38:33,514
Speaker 1: to go under cover at a high school classic a

799
00:38:33,674 --> 00:38:37,433
Speaker 1: classic movie trope. A classic movie trope, going undercover at

800
00:38:37,434 --> 00:38:40,194
Speaker 1: a high school to expose what teenagers are really doing,

801
00:38:40,274 --> 00:38:43,074
Speaker 1: and Josie is anyone who looks young enough. The issue

802
00:38:43,194 --> 00:38:46,194
Speaker 1: is she had the worst time in high school, but

803
00:38:46,394 --> 00:38:50,393
Speaker 1: her cool older brother played by David Arquette, love that man.

804
00:38:50,594 --> 00:38:53,754
Speaker 1: Love that match helps her kind of assimilar into the school.

805
00:38:53,994 --> 00:38:56,554
Speaker 1: But when she gets into the school, she starts to

806
00:38:56,634 --> 00:38:59,514
Speaker 1: fall in love with her teacher, Sam, who also starts

807
00:38:59,554 --> 00:39:01,794
Speaker 1: to fall in love with her. Now she's falling in

808
00:39:01,834 --> 00:39:04,674
Speaker 1: love with an adult man. She's protected to be a student,

809
00:39:04,754 --> 00:39:06,794
Speaker 1: so it's a bit confusing, but it's all above board.

810
00:39:07,234 --> 00:39:09,953
Speaker 1: He's falling in love with a student with yes, who

811
00:39:10,034 --> 00:39:12,314
Speaker 1: he thinks is a student Yes yes, and he's not

812
00:39:12,594 --> 00:39:16,394
Speaker 1: wised up to the fact that she's undercover and actually

813
00:39:16,434 --> 00:39:19,114
Speaker 1: an adult. So even though she totally looks like an adult.

814
00:39:19,314 --> 00:39:22,834
Speaker 1: It's particular she blends all the other students there, like

815
00:39:23,194 --> 00:39:26,834
Speaker 1: like because they are like Miley Shelton, just get Alba.

816
00:39:28,114 --> 00:39:29,834
Speaker 1: I do think Justice Albert was quite young there, but

817
00:39:29,834 --> 00:39:32,554
Speaker 1: they're definitely not fifteen or sixteen or you know whatever,

818
00:39:32,634 --> 00:39:35,393
Speaker 1: the kind of like age bracket is there. So she

819
00:39:35,794 --> 00:39:38,714
Speaker 1: starts to kind of yeah, assimilar into school, you know,

820
00:39:38,874 --> 00:39:41,993
Speaker 1: make some friends with the nerds. Remember Lely's Sobiaski, Yes,

821
00:39:42,194 --> 00:39:46,434
Speaker 1: who was in every everything, everything early two thousand and nineties.

822
00:39:46,874 --> 00:39:49,434
Speaker 1: She gave up Hollywood to be an artist because she

823
00:39:49,514 --> 00:39:51,513
Speaker 1: couldn't deal with the fame. And she's like, I've read

824
00:39:51,554 --> 00:39:52,634
Speaker 1: an into with her the other day and she's like,

825
00:39:52,634 --> 00:39:55,074
Speaker 1: I'm so happy married, I have kids, and I just

826
00:39:55,154 --> 00:39:56,873
Speaker 1: like make my beautiful art all day and no one

827
00:39:56,954 --> 00:40:00,314
Speaker 1: knows who I am. I like, I love that Lily Sobiaski.

828
00:40:00,794 --> 00:40:03,074
Speaker 1: It was like, the biggest like movie star of the time,

829
00:40:03,314 --> 00:40:08,393
Speaker 1: is her art financially yeah? What, well, I can't afford it.

830
00:40:08,474 --> 00:40:15,594
Speaker 1: So I was like, because I'm like, you know, yes,

831
00:40:15,674 --> 00:40:18,314
Speaker 1: she would have got paid reasonably. Well, oh, she's not

832
00:40:18,394 --> 00:40:20,154
Speaker 1: living off that money. That's it. She can't be living

833
00:40:20,194 --> 00:40:23,314
Speaker 1: off that now, so either husband making lots of money

834
00:40:23,474 --> 00:40:26,953
Speaker 1: and she gets to do her fun up or we've

835
00:40:26,954 --> 00:40:30,234
Speaker 1: got sidetrack. Let's get back onto Josie Grossy. Yes, so

836
00:40:30,434 --> 00:40:34,393
Speaker 1: grossy grossy relationship. Josie is such a nice name, but

837
00:40:34,434 --> 00:40:36,433
Speaker 1: then you get called Josie Grossy and that just kind

838
00:40:36,474 --> 00:40:38,794
Speaker 1: of I actually used to work with a girl called Josie,

839
00:40:38,954 --> 00:40:41,554
Speaker 1: and I think she cursed that movie because you get

840
00:40:41,874 --> 00:40:45,114
Speaker 1: called Josie grosy. Yeah, there's a way to be endearing

841
00:40:45,154 --> 00:40:47,314
Speaker 1: about it. But the thing is they have like even

842
00:40:47,474 --> 00:40:49,234
Speaker 1: like they have like a bit of when she's like

843
00:40:49,394 --> 00:40:51,594
Speaker 1: reading aloud in class and he's staring at her and

844
00:40:51,674 --> 00:40:54,714
Speaker 1: she's staring at him. And the thing is it's problematic, yes,

845
00:40:55,434 --> 00:40:59,034
Speaker 1: but as the viewer, it's so romantic because one, they

846
00:40:59,154 --> 00:41:03,074
Speaker 1: have beautiful on screen chemistry together. It's so Michael Barton

847
00:41:03,114 --> 00:41:06,074
Speaker 1: from Alias Love Him He Andrew Barrymore became also really

848
00:41:06,154 --> 00:41:08,393
Speaker 1: close for filming, and then behind the scene images from

849
00:41:08,434 --> 00:41:11,674
Speaker 1: filming them being kissed where they're watching their first take

850
00:41:12,114 --> 00:41:14,513
Speaker 1: on the screen on the playback and in that moment

851
00:41:14,554 --> 00:41:16,754
Speaker 1: it's like rom com lives or dies by the on

852
00:41:16,914 --> 00:41:19,714
Speaker 1: screen chemistry And do we believe these people are falling

853
00:41:19,754 --> 00:41:21,754
Speaker 1: in love, and they watch it the first time and

854
00:41:21,834 --> 00:41:23,674
Speaker 1: they can just tell the movie is gonna work because

855
00:41:23,714 --> 00:41:25,754
Speaker 1: it's so good, and they just start. They just hold

856
00:41:25,834 --> 00:41:27,993
Speaker 1: hands in a platonic way. Yeah, they just send they're

857
00:41:28,034 --> 00:41:30,754
Speaker 1: holding hands looking at the monitor, smiling because they're so

858
00:41:30,874 --> 00:41:32,474
Speaker 1: happy that they know the movie is gonna work. And

859
00:41:32,554 --> 00:41:34,674
Speaker 1: I love those pictures of them, and it just makes

860
00:41:34,714 --> 00:41:37,274
Speaker 1: all the creepiest go away. So they fall in love.

861
00:41:37,354 --> 00:41:39,754
Speaker 1: While she's reading one class again, he thinks she's a child.

862
00:41:40,114 --> 00:41:41,714
Speaker 1: They fall in love. No one will go on the

863
00:41:41,794 --> 00:41:44,514
Speaker 1: ferris wheel with her at the school carnival, and he

864
00:41:44,634 --> 00:41:46,994
Speaker 1: jumps on and goes with her, and they just up

865
00:41:47,034 --> 00:41:48,754
Speaker 1: at the top, stuck on the ferrest wheel for ages.

866
00:41:49,074 --> 00:41:52,194
Speaker 1: Any other movie romantic, This one romantic, but slightly creepy

867
00:41:52,194 --> 00:41:54,754
Speaker 1: because he's a teacher of the teacher and in another movie,

868
00:41:54,834 --> 00:41:57,474
Speaker 1: this is a drama on HBO. Oh. In another movie,

869
00:41:57,554 --> 00:42:04,154
Speaker 1: this is Detective State exactly. But again he's hot and nice,

870
00:42:04,194 --> 00:42:06,514
Speaker 1: so it's fine, but any other world it's not. And

871
00:42:06,594 --> 00:42:09,074
Speaker 1: then when he finds out, he's so horrified because he's

872
00:42:09,074 --> 00:42:15,034
Speaker 1: basically like, I've been disgusted with myself. I'm paraphrazy, but

873
00:42:15,074 --> 00:42:17,874
Speaker 1: he's basically like, I've been driving myself insane. I'm disgusted

874
00:42:17,954 --> 00:42:19,834
Speaker 1: with myself because I've been in love with you and

875
00:42:19,914 --> 00:42:22,474
Speaker 1: I knew it was terrible and I couldn't stop myself.

876
00:42:22,514 --> 00:42:26,314
Speaker 1: And she's like, but I'm an adult, so and then

877
00:42:26,354 --> 00:42:29,714
Speaker 1: they have the truly romantic scene where she's now dressed

878
00:42:29,714 --> 00:42:31,554
Speaker 1: as an adult and she's had a mate because she's

879
00:42:31,554 --> 00:42:33,873
Speaker 1: had a teen makeover. Then she's an adult makeover. And

880
00:42:33,994 --> 00:42:36,234
Speaker 1: she stands out in the baseball field waiting for him

881
00:42:36,274 --> 00:42:37,914
Speaker 1: to come and kiss her, and you think he's not

882
00:42:37,954 --> 00:42:41,114
Speaker 1: gonna come, and the whole school's counting down, and it's

883
00:42:41,114 --> 00:42:43,433
Speaker 1: so weird because like two days ago, these people thought

884
00:42:43,474 --> 00:42:45,314
Speaker 1: this girl is a student that was a teacher, and

885
00:42:45,434 --> 00:42:50,154
Speaker 1: now they know she's an undercover reporter. They're all just like, kiss, kiss, kiss,

886
00:42:50,514 --> 00:42:53,314
Speaker 1: and you think he's not gonna come, and the countdown stops,

887
00:42:53,354 --> 00:42:54,834
Speaker 1: and she's standing in all the baseball field and she's

888
00:42:54,874 --> 00:42:56,794
Speaker 1: so disappointed. She looks down, and all of a sudden,

889
00:42:56,834 --> 00:43:00,994
Speaker 1: everyone goes because he starts running down the stairs and

890
00:43:01,034 --> 00:43:03,114
Speaker 1: then they kiss in front of everyone. And he used

891
00:43:03,154 --> 00:43:04,754
Speaker 1: to be a teacher, but it's fine because she's he's

892
00:43:04,834 --> 00:43:08,913
Speaker 1: not now I don't know. I'm going to add another lay.

893
00:43:08,994 --> 00:43:11,354
Speaker 1: I think it's problematic, you mean think it's more problematic.

894
00:43:11,474 --> 00:43:13,594
Speaker 1: I'm going to add another layer to it because I mean,

895
00:43:14,034 --> 00:43:15,994
Speaker 1: I'm sure you've all seen it, but spoiler alert if

896
00:43:16,034 --> 00:43:19,114
Speaker 1: you haven't, the title gives it away. She's never been kissed,

897
00:43:19,354 --> 00:43:25,873
Speaker 1: of course, layer of her just being this like yeah, exactly, like,

898
00:43:25,914 --> 00:43:28,033
Speaker 1: oh now she's doing this adult man. She's been kissed,

899
00:43:28,074 --> 00:43:31,634
Speaker 1: and she had never had said having even put that together. Yeah,

900
00:43:31,954 --> 00:43:34,114
Speaker 1: I know, that's the thing. It's like a child. I

901
00:43:34,154 --> 00:43:37,634
Speaker 1: didn't think about it, but like pretend to be a teenager.

902
00:43:37,754 --> 00:43:41,594
Speaker 1: But she's also because how old is she? Early twenty

903
00:43:41,714 --> 00:43:44,034
Speaker 1: early twenty. It's her first job, but she's gone through

904
00:43:44,074 --> 00:43:46,034
Speaker 1: four years of college. Yeah, she's gone through four years

905
00:43:46,074 --> 00:43:49,034
Speaker 1: of college. So she's like a late bloomer. Yeah, going

906
00:43:49,114 --> 00:43:52,034
Speaker 1: to say that's the that's the and she's she's like,

907
00:43:52,074 --> 00:43:53,873
Speaker 1: I've been here for this long. So let's say she's

908
00:43:53,914 --> 00:43:55,794
Speaker 1: she's under twenty five at least, but she's well over

909
00:43:55,874 --> 00:43:59,513
Speaker 1: twenty one. So she's got that added layer as well.

910
00:43:59,794 --> 00:44:04,194
Speaker 1: And then so she's still presenting as this virginal teenager

911
00:44:04,274 --> 00:44:08,674
Speaker 1: with that which she was an adult but yeah, you know,

912
00:44:08,914 --> 00:44:12,354
Speaker 1: so it's stin experienced. Yeah, but again rom com skate

913
00:44:12,434 --> 00:44:17,354
Speaker 1: rid with no true experience of like a relationship or

914
00:44:17,434 --> 00:44:21,154
Speaker 1: any kind of romantic interaction with a male before. And

915
00:44:21,234 --> 00:44:25,434
Speaker 1: so her first romantic interaction with a male is in

916
00:44:25,474 --> 00:44:30,474
Speaker 1: front of everyone is a teacher. Firstly her teacher, her teacher,

917
00:44:30,794 --> 00:44:35,554
Speaker 1: while she's supposedly his student. Yeah, but also then all

918
00:44:35,634 --> 00:44:37,834
Speaker 1: happens in front of everyone, and it's been cheered for.

919
00:44:38,154 --> 00:44:40,194
Speaker 1: And but because it's such a nice kids, I just

920
00:44:40,274 --> 00:44:41,794
Speaker 1: go to ride over that. Do you know what I've

921
00:44:41,834 --> 00:44:45,794
Speaker 1: just realized is the way worse thing that's nothing to

922
00:44:45,914 --> 00:44:48,553
Speaker 1: do with that those two is that her brother, Rob,

923
00:44:48,754 --> 00:44:51,994
Speaker 1: who is older than her. Yeah, so mid twenties at least,

924
00:44:52,234 --> 00:44:55,154
Speaker 1: who has such a great high school experience, also assimilates

925
00:44:55,154 --> 00:44:56,754
Speaker 1: into the high school to help her get in with

926
00:44:56,834 --> 00:44:59,754
Speaker 1: the cool kids, and stands dating at the high school.

927
00:44:59,834 --> 00:45:02,114
Speaker 1: Who really is a high school? Oh my god, she's

928
00:45:02,154 --> 00:45:06,074
Speaker 1: a row and man, oh yeah, where's that? Where's that?

929
00:45:06,314 --> 00:45:13,274
Speaker 1: Where's call the police again? Exactly again internest for You episode. Yeah. Yeah,

930
00:45:13,554 --> 00:45:15,754
Speaker 1: then at the end, he also just becomes the baseball coach.

931
00:45:15,874 --> 00:45:17,433
Speaker 1: Not only does he date a student, but then they

932
00:45:17,474 --> 00:45:22,314
Speaker 1: give then they give him a job. How did he

933
00:45:22,434 --> 00:45:28,553
Speaker 1: pass those background checks? I love rom comm land. There's

934
00:45:28,594 --> 00:45:32,154
Speaker 1: no rules, no consequences, nothing's real. It's so nice. No

935
00:45:32,234 --> 00:45:33,834
Speaker 1: wonder we love those movies. Well do you know why

936
00:45:33,874 --> 00:45:37,434
Speaker 1: we love those movies because everyone loves love. Yeah, but

937
00:45:37,594 --> 00:45:40,794
Speaker 1: this level of love, this little level of like, everything's

938
00:45:40,794 --> 00:45:44,114
Speaker 1: okay with a kiss, everything works out, You'll be accepted

939
00:45:44,114 --> 00:45:46,274
Speaker 1: at whoever you are, Like there's a certain like safety

940
00:45:46,394 --> 00:45:48,514
Speaker 1: net there, Yeah, there is, whereas like then as we

941
00:45:48,594 --> 00:45:50,514
Speaker 1: got older and TV change, just like, look at this

942
00:45:50,634 --> 00:45:54,194
Speaker 1: gritty romantic relationship where like it's all problematic and everyone's

943
00:45:54,234 --> 00:45:55,873
Speaker 1: stressed and you cheg each other and you come back

944
00:45:55,874 --> 00:45:57,754
Speaker 1: together and you're like, oh, I guess this is more

945
00:45:57,794 --> 00:45:59,834
Speaker 1: real life. But I miss being raised on rom coms.

946
00:45:59,994 --> 00:46:02,034
Speaker 1: I agree, that's a thing. Like if we go back

947
00:46:02,074 --> 00:46:05,234
Speaker 1: to who real now? Yes, So, if they're doing remakes

948
00:46:05,274 --> 00:46:08,154
Speaker 1: of things like Suddenly thirty or whatever, if they remade

949
00:46:08,154 --> 00:46:13,594
Speaker 1: Pretty Woman, which god please never but absolutely don't. No, please,

950
00:46:13,594 --> 00:46:16,634
Speaker 1: don't please no one. But if they did, I don't

951
00:46:16,674 --> 00:46:18,314
Speaker 1: want to see a pretty version. I don't want to.

952
00:46:19,714 --> 00:46:22,234
Speaker 1: I don't want to see her having to deal with

953
00:46:22,354 --> 00:46:26,074
Speaker 1: her actual real clientele. Absolutely not, No, no, well, we've

954
00:46:26,074 --> 00:46:27,514
Speaker 1: got so many versions of that. I think that's why

955
00:46:27,594 --> 00:46:29,594
Speaker 1: these rom comms. And again, this is why people say,

956
00:46:29,674 --> 00:46:33,034
Speaker 1: maybe we can't have modern rom coms because maybe we've

957
00:46:33,154 --> 00:46:37,634
Speaker 1: lost people. Maybe we've lost the whimsy, We've lost the

958
00:46:37,714 --> 00:46:40,434
Speaker 1: ability to be able to suspend disbelief and live in

959
00:46:40,514 --> 00:46:42,594
Speaker 1: this world for a bit. Is that why we can

960
00:46:42,714 --> 00:46:47,794
Speaker 1: only have whimsy now in like period dramas, like fantasies.

961
00:46:48,034 --> 00:46:50,514
Speaker 1: Maybe because people think, well, not if they have tiktoks,

962
00:46:50,514 --> 00:46:53,994
Speaker 1: we have to we have to like read fantasy in

963
00:46:54,154 --> 00:46:56,314
Speaker 1: order to get this level of whimsy. I hate that

964
00:46:56,554 --> 00:46:58,554
Speaker 1: is heartbreaking. I'm just going to live in the early

965
00:46:58,634 --> 00:47:02,634
Speaker 1: two thousands, in the late nineties, humping out those movies. Yeah,

966
00:47:02,874 --> 00:47:05,873
Speaker 1: this great back catalog. Oh so many. So there are

967
00:47:06,114 --> 00:47:09,393
Speaker 1: problematic anti comedies that we not even secretly love, we

968
00:47:09,514 --> 00:47:13,154
Speaker 1: openly love. Hopefully we haven't spoiled too many movies for people,

969
00:47:13,314 --> 00:47:16,393
Speaker 1: but we only skimmed the surface exactly. So if you

970
00:47:16,474 --> 00:47:18,714
Speaker 1: haven't watched any of those, go and watched all of them.

971
00:47:18,874 --> 00:47:22,154
Speaker 1: Yeah movie all out of ten. Re watch them again

972
00:47:22,274 --> 00:47:26,314
Speaker 1: with your gurlies with champagne. Yeah you know, well, the

973
00:47:26,354 --> 00:47:27,913
Speaker 1: first time we all watched them, we were too young

974
00:47:27,954 --> 00:47:31,034
Speaker 1: to drink champagne. We watched them. I watched hawdal is

975
00:47:31,074 --> 00:47:32,354
Speaker 1: a Guy in Ten Days with My Best Year a

976
00:47:32,354 --> 00:47:34,834
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago, with the best time ever. Do

977
00:47:34,874 --> 00:47:36,634
Speaker 1: you know that my most fun thing to do when

978
00:47:36,634 --> 00:47:38,794
Speaker 1: I'm watching rong coms, either by myself or like with

979
00:47:38,954 --> 00:47:41,393
Speaker 1: friends now is get some sort of like a really

980
00:47:41,594 --> 00:47:44,873
Speaker 1: decadent alcohol, like a really fancy champagne, and pair it

981
00:47:44,954 --> 00:47:48,433
Speaker 1: with like a French fry and like just like oh yeah,

982
00:47:48,474 --> 00:47:51,034
Speaker 1: like a dirty burger or like really basic chocolate or

983
00:47:51,074 --> 00:47:53,114
Speaker 1: something just so you have the vibes of an old

984
00:47:53,154 --> 00:47:56,194
Speaker 1: school sleepover when you were twelve, like pizza, but then

985
00:47:56,234 --> 00:47:57,834
Speaker 1: you get the adult fun of pairing it with a

986
00:47:57,914 --> 00:48:02,354
Speaker 1: really fancy champagne, beautiful champagne, old Oh, oh my god,

987
00:48:02,434 --> 00:48:05,674
Speaker 1: let's do that is how we're spending this weekend. Thank

988
00:48:05,714 --> 00:48:07,994
Speaker 1: you so much for listening to this today. If you

989
00:48:08,114 --> 00:48:10,354
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994
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00:48:37,474 --> 00:48:40,953
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