1 00:00:10,745 --> 00:00:13,425 Speaker 1: You're listening to Amma Mia podcast. 2 00:00:13,945 --> 00:00:17,465 Speaker 2: Mama Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters 3 00:00:17,505 --> 00:00:19,385 Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on. 4 00:00:20,585 --> 00:00:22,105 Speaker 1: Makeup is My Therapy. 5 00:00:22,305 --> 00:00:25,505 Speaker 3: I'm in love, I'm obsessed, and I don't even feel. 6 00:00:25,385 --> 00:00:26,105 Speaker 2: Guilty a body. 7 00:00:29,025 --> 00:00:30,625 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome. 8 00:00:30,225 --> 00:00:32,945 Speaker 4: To you Beauty, the daily podcast for Your Face. I'm 9 00:00:33,025 --> 00:00:36,385 Speaker 4: Kelly McCarran and welcome to the formula where we get 10 00:00:36,425 --> 00:00:39,625 Speaker 4: inside the mines and bathroom cabinets of some of the 11 00:00:39,625 --> 00:00:43,345 Speaker 4: most experty experts and the biggest names in beauty to 12 00:00:43,465 --> 00:00:47,145 Speaker 4: find out what's hot in the beauty industry right now. Now, 13 00:00:47,185 --> 00:00:49,825 Speaker 4: you may have heard the term glass skin, and if 14 00:00:49,865 --> 00:00:51,105 Speaker 4: you have, you want it. 15 00:00:51,145 --> 00:00:52,145 Speaker 1: We all do. 16 00:00:52,505 --> 00:00:55,785 Speaker 4: The term glass skin comes from cream beauty trends and 17 00:00:55,825 --> 00:00:59,025 Speaker 4: it describes that delicious skin that's really smooth, dewy and 18 00:00:59,105 --> 00:01:02,825 Speaker 4: hydrated than luminous, just like the surface of glass. I mean, 19 00:01:02,865 --> 00:01:04,825 Speaker 4: who doesn't want their face to look like that? 20 00:01:04,905 --> 00:01:05,225 Speaker 1: Really? 21 00:01:05,705 --> 00:01:09,065 Speaker 4: My guest today officially has skin that matches that description. 22 00:01:09,705 --> 00:01:13,065 Speaker 4: Samantha Apple is the founder and owner of skin Bar, 23 00:01:13,145 --> 00:01:17,465 Speaker 4: Australia's only dedicated skin needling clinics. And it's quite funny actually, 24 00:01:17,505 --> 00:01:22,265 Speaker 4: because I'm not just saying this today About two months ago, 25 00:01:22,505 --> 00:01:26,545 Speaker 4: I was on a panel with Samantha at a conference 26 00:01:26,625 --> 00:01:28,465 Speaker 4: and the whole time I was just staring at her 27 00:01:28,505 --> 00:01:32,505 Speaker 4: skin because it is just beautiful and like me, Samantha 28 00:01:32,545 --> 00:01:35,105 Speaker 4: actually struggled with the horrors of cistic acne when she 29 00:01:35,225 --> 00:01:38,265 Speaker 4: was younger and went through high school and her early 30 00:01:38,305 --> 00:01:40,785 Speaker 4: twenties feeling like she wanted to hide away from the 31 00:01:40,825 --> 00:01:43,105 Speaker 4: world like many of us who suffer from acne do. 32 00:01:44,145 --> 00:01:47,185 Speaker 4: But after ten years, sam found skin needling and it 33 00:01:47,305 --> 00:01:51,305 Speaker 4: changed everything. So, Samantha, thank you for joining me today. 34 00:01:51,465 --> 00:01:54,745 Speaker 4: We are going to chat about why skin needling is 35 00:01:54,865 --> 00:01:57,225 Speaker 4: so good and how to make sure that you're getting 36 00:01:57,225 --> 00:02:00,225 Speaker 4: the best out of your results for anyone playing along 37 00:02:00,265 --> 00:02:02,425 Speaker 4: at home. That is like, hold on, hold on, what 38 00:02:02,585 --> 00:02:05,545 Speaker 4: is it? Or remind me again? Let's start at the basics. 39 00:02:05,665 --> 00:02:07,065 Speaker 4: What is skin needling? 40 00:02:07,305 --> 00:02:07,865 Speaker 2: Hi, Kelly? 41 00:02:08,265 --> 00:02:11,785 Speaker 3: So, first of all, I think skin needling is a 42 00:02:11,825 --> 00:02:16,345 Speaker 3: treatment that has fast generated a cult following. People are 43 00:02:16,385 --> 00:02:19,665 Speaker 3: turning to skin needling now, I guess, as opposed to 44 00:02:19,865 --> 00:02:22,825 Speaker 3: having that frozen forehead look, and people are looking I 45 00:02:22,825 --> 00:02:26,185 Speaker 3: guess for more of that longer lasting treatment now, skin needling. 46 00:02:26,225 --> 00:02:29,425 Speaker 3: In my experience of having cystic acne and suffering for 47 00:02:29,545 --> 00:02:32,625 Speaker 3: years with having low self confidence. I've tried every treatment 48 00:02:32,705 --> 00:02:34,945 Speaker 3: that there is on the market, and when I was 49 00:02:34,985 --> 00:02:38,305 Speaker 3: about twenty five, I decided that needling was the treatment 50 00:02:38,345 --> 00:02:42,945 Speaker 3: that really, I guess dealt with all skin concerns from acne, congestion, 51 00:02:43,225 --> 00:02:47,145 Speaker 3: anti aging, scarring, and it changed my skin. I am 52 00:02:47,225 --> 00:02:50,905 Speaker 3: skin needling obsessed. And what it is is essentially collagen 53 00:02:50,945 --> 00:02:54,825 Speaker 3: boosting treatment where tiny little needles punch into the skin 54 00:02:55,225 --> 00:02:58,785 Speaker 3: to create these micro injuries which then stimulate your body 55 00:02:59,105 --> 00:03:02,545 Speaker 3: to regenerate new baby collagen. So basically everywhere that we 56 00:03:02,625 --> 00:03:05,825 Speaker 3: treat you're then recreating a stronger collagen. 57 00:03:06,025 --> 00:03:09,225 Speaker 2: You're removing pigment, scarring, congestion, and. 58 00:03:09,145 --> 00:03:12,825 Speaker 3: It just ramps up that elasticity and the skin and essentially, 59 00:03:13,065 --> 00:03:15,945 Speaker 3: you know, I had scarring for years, and my scarring 60 00:03:16,025 --> 00:03:18,825 Speaker 3: is completely gone, And yes, I guess I've achieved that 61 00:03:18,865 --> 00:03:19,785 Speaker 3: glass skin look. 62 00:03:19,985 --> 00:03:22,465 Speaker 2: But you know, it can take multiple sessions. 63 00:03:22,865 --> 00:03:25,545 Speaker 3: But the great thing is you're not using abrasive treatments 64 00:03:25,585 --> 00:03:28,985 Speaker 3: like lasers, You're not filling your body with toxins, and 65 00:03:29,065 --> 00:03:31,105 Speaker 3: there isn't really any downtime, so you can go back 66 00:03:31,105 --> 00:03:31,985 Speaker 3: to your normal life. 67 00:03:31,785 --> 00:03:32,345 Speaker 2: The next day. 68 00:03:32,585 --> 00:03:36,025 Speaker 4: I've had a couple of different experiences with skin needling. 69 00:03:36,385 --> 00:03:40,225 Speaker 4: Sometimes my skin is literally fine an hour later. But 70 00:03:40,305 --> 00:03:42,105 Speaker 4: then there have been a few times where I've been 71 00:03:42,145 --> 00:03:43,825 Speaker 4: like a little bit redd and out to the next day. 72 00:03:43,825 --> 00:03:46,785 Speaker 4: But it's still so manageable. You can totally just still 73 00:03:46,785 --> 00:03:47,385 Speaker 4: go to work. 74 00:03:47,665 --> 00:03:48,305 Speaker 2: Oh totally. 75 00:03:48,345 --> 00:03:50,105 Speaker 3: And I mean like, I have my needling in the 76 00:03:50,105 --> 00:03:52,225 Speaker 3: next day, I'll be at the gym. I can wear 77 00:03:52,265 --> 00:03:54,825 Speaker 3: it light bb cream. I don't like the word downtime 78 00:03:54,905 --> 00:03:56,905 Speaker 3: because I think of surgeries and not being able to 79 00:03:56,945 --> 00:04:00,385 Speaker 3: leave the house. But needling is Honestly, we have women 80 00:04:00,385 --> 00:04:02,385 Speaker 3: coming in in their lunch break after work and the 81 00:04:02,425 --> 00:04:04,985 Speaker 3: next day sort of just looks like a minor sunburn. 82 00:04:05,025 --> 00:04:07,665 Speaker 2: But everybody is different. I guess best to always have 83 00:04:07,665 --> 00:04:08,105 Speaker 2: a console. 84 00:04:08,505 --> 00:04:11,865 Speaker 4: And you love skin needling so much that you decided 85 00:04:11,905 --> 00:04:14,985 Speaker 4: to do an entire business around it. 86 00:04:15,425 --> 00:04:19,025 Speaker 3: Yeah, so we're the only dedicated skin needling clinic. I 87 00:04:19,065 --> 00:04:21,185 Speaker 3: saw a gap in the market essentially because you know 88 00:04:21,225 --> 00:04:22,945 Speaker 3: what it's like when you go to a skin clinic 89 00:04:22,985 --> 00:04:26,745 Speaker 3: and they offer everything. There's razor, there's in jet, there's IPLs, 90 00:04:27,185 --> 00:04:29,745 Speaker 3: and they all sort of conflict with the same I 91 00:04:29,825 --> 00:04:33,705 Speaker 3: guess advice of offering the best results but skin needling 92 00:04:33,785 --> 00:04:36,025 Speaker 3: is not invasive if you're not putting any toxins in. 93 00:04:36,145 --> 00:04:38,545 Speaker 3: And for us to be able to specialize in just 94 00:04:38,665 --> 00:04:43,505 Speaker 3: that treatment, I guess we become the expert level and everybody, then, 95 00:04:43,625 --> 00:04:45,945 Speaker 3: I guess, wants to come to us for their needling. 96 00:04:46,025 --> 00:04:49,585 Speaker 4: And what sort of you know, said the average person 97 00:04:49,785 --> 00:04:52,065 Speaker 4: with average skin comes in. I know it was so 98 00:04:52,145 --> 00:04:55,625 Speaker 4: different for everyone. But how many sessions would they be 99 00:04:55,745 --> 00:04:56,585 Speaker 4: looking for? 100 00:04:56,665 --> 00:04:56,905 Speaker 1: Three? 101 00:04:57,025 --> 00:04:58,305 Speaker 2: Generally, yes, so. 102 00:04:58,305 --> 00:05:01,985 Speaker 3: Most people start with three to six, depends on your concerns. 103 00:05:02,025 --> 00:05:04,425 Speaker 3: So we have girls in their early twenties and they 104 00:05:04,505 --> 00:05:08,265 Speaker 3: want to prevent aging, so they'll start to perform monthly 105 00:05:08,305 --> 00:05:09,385 Speaker 3: skin needling treatments. 106 00:05:09,825 --> 00:05:10,785 Speaker 2: We have women in our. 107 00:05:11,105 --> 00:05:14,665 Speaker 3: Thirties, forties, fifties that have gone down the injectable path. 108 00:05:14,905 --> 00:05:17,265 Speaker 3: They no longer want to have the botox, and so 109 00:05:17,425 --> 00:05:21,945 Speaker 3: they're committing to more of that monthly ongoing treatment, which essentially, 110 00:05:22,265 --> 00:05:24,985 Speaker 3: I guess removes and smooths those fine lines. 111 00:05:25,585 --> 00:05:28,185 Speaker 2: And they're looking at the longevity approach. So, as you 112 00:05:28,185 --> 00:05:30,505 Speaker 2: said before, we're getting to that point where we want 113 00:05:30,505 --> 00:05:32,585 Speaker 2: to be able to walk out of the house without 114 00:05:32,665 --> 00:05:33,585 Speaker 2: having makeup on. 115 00:05:34,065 --> 00:05:37,385 Speaker 3: So generally three to six sessions you'll see results. But 116 00:05:37,465 --> 00:05:39,505 Speaker 3: then it's like, you know, it's like going to the gym. 117 00:05:39,545 --> 00:05:42,825 Speaker 2: You just continue to go and maintain those results after 118 00:05:42,865 --> 00:05:43,265 Speaker 2: a while. 119 00:05:43,465 --> 00:05:45,425 Speaker 4: It would be quite nice if you could get abs 120 00:05:45,505 --> 00:05:47,385 Speaker 4: just from going to the gym three to six times, 121 00:05:47,425 --> 00:05:47,865 Speaker 4: wouldn't they? 122 00:05:47,865 --> 00:05:49,585 Speaker 2: I know, that's I mean, you can go back to 123 00:05:49,625 --> 00:05:50,905 Speaker 2: your diet and champagne. 124 00:05:50,905 --> 00:06:00,985 Speaker 4: But so it's increased so much in popularity over the 125 00:06:01,025 --> 00:06:05,385 Speaker 4: past five years to a decade really, and over the 126 00:06:05,425 --> 00:06:08,465 Speaker 4: past year or so, there's been an increase in sort 127 00:06:08,505 --> 00:06:12,705 Speaker 4: of like skin needle plus, so where people are doing 128 00:06:12,785 --> 00:06:16,545 Speaker 4: skin needling plus the exosomes or skin needling plus the 129 00:06:16,705 --> 00:06:18,465 Speaker 4: RF so the radio frequency. 130 00:06:18,665 --> 00:06:19,785 Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on that? 131 00:06:20,385 --> 00:06:21,985 Speaker 2: Yeah, we offer radio frequency. 132 00:06:22,145 --> 00:06:24,265 Speaker 3: We have a device called the seal Firm, which was 133 00:06:24,345 --> 00:06:27,985 Speaker 3: developed by a medical team over in South Korea. Why 134 00:06:28,105 --> 00:06:30,345 Speaker 3: I love that device is because it does more of 135 00:06:30,385 --> 00:06:33,465 Speaker 3: the heavy lifting. So if your concerns are more deeper 136 00:06:33,505 --> 00:06:37,425 Speaker 3: lines skin laxity or conjuring. My favorite is the double 137 00:06:37,505 --> 00:06:40,865 Speaker 3: chin removal, but it's essentially using a heat It's a 138 00:06:40,865 --> 00:06:44,145 Speaker 3: bipolar method, so you not only get the physical regeneration 139 00:06:44,225 --> 00:06:47,425 Speaker 3: with the needling, but that heat also helps to lift 140 00:06:47,465 --> 00:06:50,065 Speaker 3: and firm and with this device, there's no risk of 141 00:06:50,145 --> 00:06:53,505 Speaker 3: melting fats, so our needling and RF. We often have 142 00:06:53,585 --> 00:06:57,945 Speaker 3: people combo packing, so they alternate their treatments monthly. So I'll, 143 00:06:57,985 --> 00:07:00,585 Speaker 3: for example, have a skin needling one month. Next month 144 00:07:00,625 --> 00:07:03,625 Speaker 3: I'll do the RF more for my deeper lines and wrinkles. 145 00:07:03,665 --> 00:07:06,585 Speaker 3: So again, you're not injecting the body with toxins, you're 146 00:07:06,585 --> 00:07:09,825 Speaker 3: not burning away with lasers needling in RF, there are 147 00:07:09,825 --> 00:07:11,865 Speaker 3: our two most popular treatments. 148 00:07:11,985 --> 00:07:15,185 Speaker 4: And so how do you think that the results compare 149 00:07:15,225 --> 00:07:19,145 Speaker 4: two things, like the lasers or the peels. 150 00:07:19,785 --> 00:07:21,785 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean peels are very superficial. 151 00:07:22,105 --> 00:07:24,425 Speaker 3: You know, you can essentially perform I guess like a 152 00:07:24,465 --> 00:07:28,545 Speaker 3: salicilic or a glycolic at home. They are only dealing 153 00:07:28,625 --> 00:07:31,505 Speaker 3: with the surface layer of skin. And lasers have high 154 00:07:31,585 --> 00:07:32,185 Speaker 3: risk as well. 155 00:07:32,225 --> 00:07:35,905 Speaker 2: I mean, if you suffer from malasma, lasers can trigger 156 00:07:36,185 --> 00:07:39,745 Speaker 2: melanocytes in the skin, therefore making your malasma worse. And 157 00:07:39,785 --> 00:07:42,825 Speaker 2: I think that their very short term fixes. Needling is 158 00:07:42,865 --> 00:07:46,305 Speaker 2: great because it's giving your skin the rebuild internally without 159 00:07:46,345 --> 00:07:49,265 Speaker 2: causing that trauma, but it's also reaching the depth that 160 00:07:49,305 --> 00:07:52,345 Speaker 2: you need to reach to stimulate that new collagen and 161 00:07:52,385 --> 00:07:53,905 Speaker 2: remove deeper scarring as well. 162 00:07:54,145 --> 00:07:57,465 Speaker 4: Do. You generally start off at a lower needle depth 163 00:07:57,505 --> 00:07:58,385 Speaker 4: and then work up. 164 00:07:58,745 --> 00:08:01,945 Speaker 3: It's basically based on the person's I guess, thickness of 165 00:08:01,985 --> 00:08:04,945 Speaker 3: their skin. So some people that have more of that finer, 166 00:08:05,105 --> 00:08:09,145 Speaker 3: delicate skin will adjust the depths. But anybody with that thickerdermis, 167 00:08:09,185 --> 00:08:11,545 Speaker 3: like my CLF that has the acne and the scarring, 168 00:08:11,865 --> 00:08:13,705 Speaker 3: we know that we need to treat at a certain 169 00:08:13,785 --> 00:08:15,465 Speaker 3: level to achieve those results. 170 00:08:15,705 --> 00:08:17,385 Speaker 2: So I'd say that the treatment. 171 00:08:17,065 --> 00:08:21,105 Speaker 3: Depths very person to person, but we always analyze and 172 00:08:21,185 --> 00:08:24,545 Speaker 3: consolet and then base our depths on that client's concerns. 173 00:08:25,065 --> 00:08:29,265 Speaker 4: And for someone that would be worried about it potentially hurting, 174 00:08:29,385 --> 00:08:32,025 Speaker 4: what would you say and is there any options to 175 00:08:32,105 --> 00:08:33,185 Speaker 4: make it less ouchy? 176 00:08:33,625 --> 00:08:33,865 Speaker 2: Yeah? 177 00:08:33,985 --> 00:08:36,305 Speaker 3: Look, some people, I guess would describe it as a 178 00:08:36,345 --> 00:08:39,425 Speaker 3: slight discomfort. I've never had anybody that has not been 179 00:08:39,465 --> 00:08:42,625 Speaker 3: able to perform the treatment, and we've treated thousands and 180 00:08:42,745 --> 00:08:46,105 Speaker 3: thousands of women. My advice for anybody that is scared 181 00:08:46,185 --> 00:08:49,425 Speaker 3: is to go to the Pharmacuya beforehand, apply a little 182 00:08:49,425 --> 00:08:51,385 Speaker 3: bit of m LA, which is numbing cream that could 183 00:08:51,385 --> 00:08:53,065 Speaker 3: be your best friend in this situation. 184 00:08:53,625 --> 00:08:55,825 Speaker 2: Ten minutes before the treatment, and you're good to go. 185 00:08:56,225 --> 00:08:59,385 Speaker 4: I also always tell people I'm like, I've got such 186 00:08:59,465 --> 00:09:02,185 Speaker 4: a low pain threshold and i can deal with it, 187 00:09:02,225 --> 00:09:05,625 Speaker 4: and I've had quite deep needling. It just feels like 188 00:09:05,945 --> 00:09:08,265 Speaker 4: I describe it as kind of like a scratch, a 189 00:09:08,305 --> 00:09:09,665 Speaker 4: really sharp screare. 190 00:09:10,265 --> 00:09:12,825 Speaker 2: I agree. It's almost like I describe it as an. 191 00:09:12,665 --> 00:09:17,625 Speaker 3: Electric toothbrush rotating across your face for ten minutes, and 192 00:09:17,665 --> 00:09:20,665 Speaker 3: then afterwards you can have a slight sting sensation, you 193 00:09:20,705 --> 00:09:22,545 Speaker 3: know when you fall over and graize your hands and 194 00:09:22,585 --> 00:09:25,905 Speaker 3: it stings for about ten minutes. Yeah, it feels like 195 00:09:25,945 --> 00:09:29,745 Speaker 3: that afterwards, but twenty minutes later that sensation has gone away, 196 00:09:29,825 --> 00:09:34,225 Speaker 3: your skin has dramatically calmed down, and yeah, it's totally bearable. 197 00:09:34,265 --> 00:09:36,825 Speaker 3: I would honestly say, like some people, I have mums 198 00:09:36,865 --> 00:09:38,545 Speaker 3: in there that fall asleep just because they get to 199 00:09:38,625 --> 00:09:39,265 Speaker 3: lay down on the bed. 200 00:09:39,465 --> 00:09:42,905 Speaker 1: They're like, oh, this is my time exactly exactly. 201 00:09:43,225 --> 00:09:46,145 Speaker 2: So yeah, I wouldn't be scared if the treatment. 202 00:09:46,305 --> 00:09:48,425 Speaker 3: It's more like it's like going to the gym, right, 203 00:09:48,505 --> 00:09:50,465 Speaker 3: you don't like the training at the time, but you 204 00:09:50,585 --> 00:09:52,345 Speaker 3: like the results at the end, so you put through. 205 00:09:52,385 --> 00:09:54,065 Speaker 2: And sometimes beauty is a little bit of pain. 206 00:09:54,425 --> 00:09:56,105 Speaker 1: Ah, I completely agree. 207 00:09:56,345 --> 00:10:00,425 Speaker 4: What about after care, So that's always a super important 208 00:10:00,825 --> 00:10:03,905 Speaker 4: part of any treatment, especially when it's piercing the skin. 209 00:10:04,385 --> 00:10:07,465 Speaker 4: So what do you advise people do after treatment to 210 00:10:07,465 --> 00:10:09,585 Speaker 4: get best results and reduce the chance of being fac 211 00:10:10,265 --> 00:10:12,905 Speaker 4: or really damaging their skin barrier. 212 00:10:13,425 --> 00:10:15,225 Speaker 2: Yeah, so day of the treatment, you just want to 213 00:10:15,265 --> 00:10:17,545 Speaker 2: keep your skin sterile. So I always say to people, 214 00:10:17,905 --> 00:10:20,505 Speaker 2: don't touch the skin that day, don't go home and 215 00:10:20,545 --> 00:10:22,785 Speaker 2: have the dogs look in your face or your partners. 216 00:10:23,105 --> 00:10:25,225 Speaker 3: We want to make sure that our skin remains sterile 217 00:10:25,305 --> 00:10:28,385 Speaker 3: that day, clean pillowcase that night, and then the following 218 00:10:28,425 --> 00:10:30,265 Speaker 3: three days, it's a simple routine. 219 00:10:30,385 --> 00:10:34,185 Speaker 2: Cleanse, moisturize and SBF. You can wear make up the 220 00:10:34,225 --> 00:10:34,745 Speaker 2: next day. 221 00:10:34,945 --> 00:10:37,065 Speaker 3: We always write down a little aftercare sheet that people 222 00:10:37,145 --> 00:10:40,665 Speaker 3: go home with that's simply outlined the steps so you 223 00:10:40,705 --> 00:10:43,305 Speaker 3: can go back to your actives on day four, which 224 00:10:43,385 --> 00:10:46,225 Speaker 3: is your normal skin care routine. And we always advise 225 00:10:46,305 --> 00:10:49,185 Speaker 3: to exfoliate the skin on day three because this is 226 00:10:49,225 --> 00:10:51,905 Speaker 3: going to help remove the old dead skin cells and 227 00:10:51,945 --> 00:10:54,745 Speaker 3: reveal those nice, plump new cells that are sitting underneath. 228 00:10:55,145 --> 00:10:58,345 Speaker 4: Do you see a lot of people shed afterwards or 229 00:10:58,385 --> 00:11:00,345 Speaker 4: is it about fifty to fifty The. 230 00:11:00,305 --> 00:11:02,985 Speaker 3: Way that we perform skin kneeling. As you said before, 231 00:11:03,065 --> 00:11:06,705 Speaker 3: we include a pren a post peel, so we actually 232 00:11:06,705 --> 00:11:09,105 Speaker 3: infuse the skin with peptides after the treatment and a 233 00:11:09,225 --> 00:11:13,745 Speaker 3: range of actives which will encourage that cell turnover and 234 00:11:13,785 --> 00:11:17,385 Speaker 3: therefore having that slight flakiness on day three is what 235 00:11:17,465 --> 00:11:19,905 Speaker 3: we want to achieve. Yeah, if you have a session 236 00:11:19,905 --> 00:11:21,945 Speaker 3: and you don't feel dry after the treatment for three 237 00:11:21,985 --> 00:11:25,025 Speaker 3: to five days, the clinic potentially didn't go deep enough. 238 00:11:25,425 --> 00:11:28,225 Speaker 3: So we really like that feeling and we achieve it 239 00:11:28,265 --> 00:11:29,825 Speaker 3: with everybody with their treatments. 240 00:11:30,105 --> 00:11:33,225 Speaker 4: Oh okay, and what are your thoughts on at home 241 00:11:33,305 --> 00:11:34,745 Speaker 4: micro needling devices? 242 00:11:35,105 --> 00:11:39,265 Speaker 2: Big no, no, big no no. I know that years 243 00:11:39,305 --> 00:11:43,265 Speaker 2: ago people were going to these at home microanealing devices, 244 00:11:43,705 --> 00:11:46,665 Speaker 2: but the science is that their little tiny, thick dermal 245 00:11:46,745 --> 00:11:51,465 Speaker 2: rollers and they can actually tear the skin, cause capillary damage, 246 00:11:52,065 --> 00:11:56,265 Speaker 2: high infection risk as well. And I mean it's like 247 00:11:56,345 --> 00:11:58,625 Speaker 2: anything you don't really want to be doing a professional 248 00:11:58,665 --> 00:12:01,425 Speaker 2: treatment at home. It's a really cheap, nasty alternative and 249 00:12:01,465 --> 00:12:02,865 Speaker 2: I would highly not recommend it. 250 00:12:03,545 --> 00:12:04,505 Speaker 1: I completely agree. 251 00:12:04,545 --> 00:12:08,545 Speaker 4: I always say the same thing when people ask my opinion. Yeah, okay, 252 00:12:08,585 --> 00:12:11,985 Speaker 4: So moving on to you and your personal routine, because, 253 00:12:11,985 --> 00:12:14,025 Speaker 4: as we said, at the top of the episode. Your 254 00:12:14,025 --> 00:12:19,505 Speaker 4: skin is so glassy and glowy. What is your needling 255 00:12:19,585 --> 00:12:21,825 Speaker 4: routine and how often do you do it? 256 00:12:22,065 --> 00:12:23,345 Speaker 2: Oh? Thanks the flattery. 257 00:12:25,265 --> 00:12:29,585 Speaker 3: I've been needling my skin now for eight years monthly. 258 00:12:29,825 --> 00:12:33,745 Speaker 3: I did it throughout both of my pregnancies, and I 259 00:12:33,785 --> 00:12:35,425 Speaker 3: alternate between the needling and RS. 260 00:12:35,465 --> 00:12:38,305 Speaker 2: But I have a really simple home care routine. I 261 00:12:38,345 --> 00:12:41,985 Speaker 2: think the old ten step skincare routines they're out now. 262 00:12:42,385 --> 00:12:44,745 Speaker 2: You really just need to use one serum in the 263 00:12:44,745 --> 00:12:47,225 Speaker 2: morning that's suitable for you. I love nice Cinnamite, I 264 00:12:47,265 --> 00:12:50,065 Speaker 2: think it's suitable for all skin types. And then at 265 00:12:50,145 --> 00:12:53,025 Speaker 2: night I love using a good retinol as well. So 266 00:12:53,505 --> 00:12:55,905 Speaker 2: monthly needling, I've been doing that for years. You know, 267 00:12:55,945 --> 00:12:58,385 Speaker 2: I haven't developed deep lines because of the commitment that 268 00:12:58,385 --> 00:12:59,025 Speaker 2: I've had to that. 269 00:12:59,585 --> 00:13:04,065 Speaker 3: And just a really really great homecare routine. But simple, simple, 270 00:13:04,265 --> 00:13:06,945 Speaker 3: like you don't need ten steps. Your skin can only 271 00:13:06,985 --> 00:13:11,865 Speaker 3: absorb so much, so two cosmos serums is really like 272 00:13:11,905 --> 00:13:13,625 Speaker 3: they're the workhouse in your homecare routine. 273 00:13:13,665 --> 00:13:17,465 Speaker 2: They're going to do all the correcting, resurfacing, cleanse serum, 274 00:13:17,465 --> 00:13:22,225 Speaker 2: moisturiz SBF done in the morning, cleanse serum moisturize at night, 275 00:13:22,745 --> 00:13:24,185 Speaker 2: and that's it. Keep it simple. 276 00:13:25,345 --> 00:13:28,305 Speaker 4: I have to ask, because I would if I owned 277 00:13:28,985 --> 00:13:30,505 Speaker 4: a skin needling salon. 278 00:13:30,865 --> 00:13:33,105 Speaker 1: Have you done your entire body ever? Just for fun? 279 00:13:34,185 --> 00:13:36,825 Speaker 2: I actually haven't. I needled my cesarean scar. 280 00:13:37,625 --> 00:13:40,465 Speaker 3: I have needled my face, neck and declotage, which I 281 00:13:40,545 --> 00:13:44,025 Speaker 3: do almost monthly. But we've dealt with, you know, women 282 00:13:44,105 --> 00:13:48,025 Speaker 3: with scarring all over their bodies, stretch marks as well. 283 00:13:48,425 --> 00:13:52,705 Speaker 3: But I have to say that I certainly am in the. 284 00:13:52,665 --> 00:13:55,465 Speaker 2: Treatment rooms very often having treatments. 285 00:13:55,745 --> 00:13:58,345 Speaker 1: Did you find that it helped on the C section scar? 286 00:13:58,745 --> 00:14:01,385 Speaker 2: Yeah? It did, And then I had another child and 287 00:14:01,425 --> 00:14:02,665 Speaker 2: now I'm back to repairing that. 288 00:14:08,905 --> 00:14:12,025 Speaker 1: Hit. I've been one of the greatest discoveries. 289 00:14:11,425 --> 00:14:17,305 Speaker 4: Of all time or miss never again, never never Moving 290 00:14:17,385 --> 00:14:21,945 Speaker 4: on to hit or miss, which I love. What is 291 00:14:22,265 --> 00:14:25,825 Speaker 4: one skincare technique or ingredient that you absolutely love and 292 00:14:25,905 --> 00:14:28,945 Speaker 4: recommend to everyone apart from needling? 293 00:14:29,945 --> 00:14:30,745 Speaker 2: Yeah, got it. 294 00:14:31,065 --> 00:14:35,425 Speaker 3: I would say my hit is nice cinnamid. It's just 295 00:14:35,505 --> 00:14:39,305 Speaker 3: an all rounder MVP using like a twelve percent nice 296 00:14:39,305 --> 00:14:43,665 Speaker 3: cinamide is so good you achieved that glass skin. 297 00:14:43,505 --> 00:14:45,065 Speaker 2: Look that we were talking about before. 298 00:14:45,545 --> 00:14:48,385 Speaker 3: It improves the barrier. It deals with pigmentation. You can 299 00:14:48,465 --> 00:14:50,785 Speaker 3: use it all year round. I double dose, so I 300 00:14:50,825 --> 00:14:52,225 Speaker 3: have one nice cinnamaid in the morning. 301 00:14:52,265 --> 00:14:56,025 Speaker 2: It's in my evening cerum as well. It helps with breakouts, 302 00:14:56,265 --> 00:15:00,145 Speaker 2: it helps with rebuilding the skin. It's just suitable to everybody. 303 00:15:00,265 --> 00:15:01,825 Speaker 2: So that's my hit. 304 00:15:02,225 --> 00:15:04,025 Speaker 1: Do you have any favorite brands? 305 00:15:04,425 --> 00:15:06,905 Speaker 3: Yeah, I actually developed a brand with a plastic surgeon 306 00:15:07,025 --> 00:15:09,665 Speaker 3: four years ago. It's called Potato Skincare. 307 00:15:10,345 --> 00:15:11,705 Speaker 1: And what we. 308 00:15:11,665 --> 00:15:14,665 Speaker 3: Essentially did was, I guess solve the over complication of 309 00:15:14,785 --> 00:15:17,425 Speaker 3: having all of these products. We loaded it with the 310 00:15:17,465 --> 00:15:22,345 Speaker 3: twelve percent has a really nice ingredient called Kinoitin antioxidants, 311 00:15:22,425 --> 00:15:23,785 Speaker 3: and yeah, that's my go to. 312 00:15:24,545 --> 00:15:27,025 Speaker 4: I love that because you don't often hear people say 313 00:15:27,105 --> 00:15:28,145 Speaker 4: nice cinamight in the morning. 314 00:15:28,185 --> 00:15:28,945 Speaker 1: Over vitamin C. 315 00:15:29,385 --> 00:15:32,785 Speaker 3: Well, vitamin C isn't suitable to our girlies with congestion. 316 00:15:33,185 --> 00:15:34,985 Speaker 2: No, it will break you out. 317 00:15:35,225 --> 00:15:39,945 Speaker 3: Although however we see people online or TikTok using vitamin C. However, 318 00:15:40,225 --> 00:15:43,625 Speaker 3: once we advise I guess clients and our community about 319 00:15:43,745 --> 00:15:48,185 Speaker 3: vitamin C, they most certainly always clear their congestion. Vitamin 320 00:15:48,225 --> 00:15:51,705 Speaker 3: C is really great for somebody with dull, pigmented dry skin. 321 00:15:51,865 --> 00:15:54,745 Speaker 2: It can help to brighten. But vitamin C for acne 322 00:15:54,865 --> 00:15:55,385 Speaker 2: is a no. 323 00:15:55,225 --> 00:15:57,745 Speaker 4: No unless you want to fork out two hundred and 324 00:15:57,785 --> 00:16:00,505 Speaker 4: forty dollars for the one with the salicilic acid in it. 325 00:16:00,945 --> 00:16:02,945 Speaker 2: Yeah, or that what's that famous one with the C 326 00:16:03,105 --> 00:16:03,985 Speaker 2: and foreral leak. 327 00:16:04,065 --> 00:16:05,745 Speaker 4: Yeah, the skin suticles they. 328 00:16:05,665 --> 00:16:06,945 Speaker 1: Do the acne one. 329 00:16:07,225 --> 00:16:07,465 Speaker 2: Yeah. 330 00:16:07,825 --> 00:16:09,505 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's expensive though. 331 00:16:09,785 --> 00:16:12,585 Speaker 4: And on the flip side, what's one skincare trend or 332 00:16:12,745 --> 00:16:15,305 Speaker 4: ingredient that you just think is not worth the hype, 333 00:16:15,385 --> 00:16:16,785 Speaker 4: isn't worth the money? 334 00:16:16,945 --> 00:16:17,905 Speaker 1: You just did not a fan? 335 00:16:18,425 --> 00:16:18,745 Speaker 2: Okay? 336 00:16:18,825 --> 00:16:22,865 Speaker 3: So hyaluronic acid I am not a fan of. You know, 337 00:16:22,905 --> 00:16:26,185 Speaker 3: it's great internally if you're going to inject it for fillers, 338 00:16:26,185 --> 00:16:30,265 Speaker 3: for anyone that likes fillers. But it's essentially a water molecule, right, 339 00:16:30,385 --> 00:16:32,945 Speaker 3: So I've tested a lot of times, and if anyone 340 00:16:33,105 --> 00:16:36,305 Speaker 3: has a hyaluronic apply it to your hand and then 341 00:16:36,345 --> 00:16:38,745 Speaker 3: look at it thirty minutes later, and you can see 342 00:16:38,785 --> 00:16:42,705 Speaker 3: that it's just completely evaporated. I think it's a waste 343 00:16:42,745 --> 00:16:44,825 Speaker 3: of time. It doesn't correct any skin cells. 344 00:16:45,065 --> 00:16:47,705 Speaker 2: You're better off using an active ingredient like a vitamin 345 00:16:47,785 --> 00:16:52,025 Speaker 2: AB or C or peptide that's actually going to change 346 00:16:52,065 --> 00:16:55,265 Speaker 2: and correct your skin. So hyaluronic acid for me is 347 00:16:55,305 --> 00:16:57,025 Speaker 2: out the door and actizerin. 348 00:16:57,545 --> 00:17:00,505 Speaker 4: I love that because I think that for so long 349 00:17:00,625 --> 00:17:05,145 Speaker 4: we were buying and using just hyaluronic acid on our face, 350 00:17:05,225 --> 00:17:07,825 Speaker 4: like plus other things, but we were spending money on 351 00:17:07,945 --> 00:17:11,025 Speaker 4: just a hyaluronic acid where it's lovely when it's mixed 352 00:17:11,025 --> 00:17:13,665 Speaker 4: with other things, but as a standalone product, it just 353 00:17:13,665 --> 00:17:14,945 Speaker 4: sort of doesn't make much sense. 354 00:17:15,385 --> 00:17:18,665 Speaker 2: No, it doesn't, and it doesn't deal with your skin concerns. 355 00:17:18,785 --> 00:17:21,705 Speaker 2: It was a big height maybe five to ten years ago, 356 00:17:22,025 --> 00:17:24,545 Speaker 2: but the molecules it is too big for your skin 357 00:17:24,585 --> 00:17:26,305 Speaker 2: to absorb, so it ends up just sitting on the 358 00:17:26,345 --> 00:17:30,425 Speaker 2: surface and then disappearing, and your skin can then be 359 00:17:30,665 --> 00:17:32,505 Speaker 2: dehydrated like moments. 360 00:17:32,185 --> 00:17:34,905 Speaker 1: Later, which and we definitely don't want that. 361 00:17:35,185 --> 00:17:41,385 Speaker 4: No, we want dewey hydrated delicious. 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