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Speaker 2: Another week, another re release and another intro recorded from

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Speaker 2: So we thought these days we are taking a much

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Speaker 1: We will be.

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Speaker 2: Back with some incredible guests, one of which is Tony Lodge,

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Speaker 2: one of our very favorite people. So that will be

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Speaker 2: coming to your ears soon. But for now, enjoy this

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Speaker 2: Hope you're all seizing your ya.

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Speaker 1: I think that's one of the skills about being an

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Speaker 1: adult is accepting that you might not have done it

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Speaker 1: the right way, or that there could be a better way.

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Speaker 1: I did think that in my headspace that I'd given

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Speaker 1: everything to Emma Wiggle, and I grew so so much

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Sees the Yay Podcast. Busy and happy

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Speaker 2: are not the same thing. We too rarely question what

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Speaker 2: makes the heart seeing. We work, then we rest, but

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Speaker 2: rarely we play and often don't realize there's more than

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Speaker 2: one way. So this is a platform to hear and

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Speaker 2: explore the stories of those who found lives they adore, the.

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Speaker 3: Good, bad and ugly.

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Speaker 2: The best and worst day will bear all the facets

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Speaker 2: of seizing your yay. I'm Sarah Davidson or a spoonful

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Speaker 2: of Sarah, a lawyer turned fu entrepreneur who swapped the

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Speaker 2: suits and heels to co found matcha Maiden and matcha

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Speaker 3: Sees the Ya is a series.

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Speaker 2: Of conversations on finding a life you love and exploring

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Speaker 2: the self doubt, challenge, joy and fulfillment along the way.

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Speaker 2: There aren't many things that evoke more yay than the Wiggles,

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Speaker 2: especially a sunshine colored one. She has now officially hung

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Speaker 2: up per yellow wiggle shoes. Emma what can still radiates

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Speaker 2: like a sunbeam and we are so lucky to have

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Speaker 2: her here today. As always, it was such a delight

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Speaker 2: to trace back to a younger Emma who never could

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Speaker 2: have dreamed of where she'd end up and with whom

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Speaker 2: I have an earlier very intense dancers life in common.

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Speaker 2: You might have guessed that her love for the arts

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Speaker 2: has been lifelong, but you might not know that Emma

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Speaker 2: is also a skilled filmmaker, has been in Bollywood films

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Speaker 2: one Miss Granny Smith Apples once upon a Time and

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Speaker 2: Now she is doing some incredible work with artistic integrations

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Speaker 2: of sign language through her PhD, which you will hear

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Speaker 2: all about in the episode Is There Anything This Woman

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Speaker 2: Can't Do? Emma is also stepping into some beautiful frocks

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Speaker 2: as an ambassador for Froctober this month, and I've popped

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Speaker 2: campaign with the OCRF. Just a little ps before we start,

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Speaker 2: Before any fellow dancers listening, it's likely that some of

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Speaker 2: you are also part of the Itty Biddy Titty Committee

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Speaker 2: along with me the President. And I'm reminded so much

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Speaker 2: TikTok and social media. So those are linked in the

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Speaker 1: You're welcome.

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Speaker 2: In the meantime, I hope you enjoy this episode. Emma

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 2: I have followed you for the longest time, so I'm

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Speaker 2: having a minor slash major fangirl moment, which I am

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Speaker 3: So it's so lovely to meet you.

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Speaker 1: Oh this is so wonderful. I mean, next time, we'll

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Speaker 2: I feel like we're already best friends forever. The fact

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Speaker 1: Oh well, I get up every day quite early to

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Speaker 1: This is amazing. I mean, it's amazing how many animals

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Speaker 1: You have nailed it. Can it be called fields of

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Speaker 2: They'll be merchandise, and they'll be all sorts of things.

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Speaker 2: I think we're onto something here. It sounds like a

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Speaker 1: I'm ready, I'm so ready.

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Speaker 2: Well, the first section of the show is my personal favorite,

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Speaker 2: So take us back to younger Emma, we have very

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Speaker 1: I was exactly that child and my mum. Because Irish

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Speaker 2: I did, like like those tide ones, like the tide ones.

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Speaker 1: I was the only person that didn't have my hair

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, So you learn something new every time

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Speaker 2: And it's interesting what so many people tell their story,

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Speaker 1: And so when I had finished UNI, I hadn't actually finished.

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Speaker 1: but still auditioning for everything, Like I auditioned for every musical,

441
00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:29,560
Speaker 1: every show. I got nothing. No, I was always rejected

442
00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:31,400
Speaker 1: or I got to a point where I was down

443
00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:35,280
Speaker 1: to the last two a few times for Wicked and

444
00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:39,560
Speaker 1: Cat same and it was you know, I'd get really

445
00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:42,440
Speaker 1: close because I'd go in as a dancer, not as

446
00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:44,760
Speaker 1: a singer because it wasn't my training and I never

447
00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:47,200
Speaker 1: really did any of that, And then i'd always get

448
00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,720
Speaker 1: to have to sing, like get to the singing part,

449
00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:53,920
Speaker 1: and the lady of that to me, She's like, well,

450
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:57,600
Speaker 1: clearly you're not a singer, and I said yeah right,

451
00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:00,320
Speaker 1: and she goes, why haven't you been doing singing lessons?

452
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:02,600
Speaker 1: And I was like, I'll try and do that, and

453
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:04,320
Speaker 1: then I left and I was like, I couldn't afford it.

454
00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:07,240
Speaker 1: I couldn't afford a private singing lesson whilst I was

455
00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:10,720
Speaker 1: at UNI. So then a few weeks later, I went

456
00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:12,960
Speaker 1: to audition again. I think it must have been for

457
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,399
Speaker 1: hairspray or something, and she was on the same panel

458
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 1: and she saw me again, and then I walked in

459
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:19,640
Speaker 1: there and she goes, don't lie to me. You haven't

460
00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:21,760
Speaker 1: done a singing lesson since I've seen you last time.

461
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:23,680
Speaker 1: And I was like, no, I haven't. She goes get out,

462
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,679
Speaker 1: and I was okay, I'm not leaving. So at that

463
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,679
Speaker 1: point it was very clear to me that all of

464
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,560
Speaker 1: my friends that i'd been to dance school with, or

465
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,520
Speaker 1: I went to full time dance as well, and I

466
00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 1: was doing all the same things that everyone else was doing.

467
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,879
Speaker 1: That was trying to audition your little heart out to

468
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:44,840
Speaker 1: try and get a show. I just it wasn't a

469
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,399
Speaker 1: love for me as in I was always nervous as

470
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:48,840
Speaker 1: soon as it came to the singing. I was like,

471
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:53,280
Speaker 1: this is stressful. And I naturally then fell back into

472
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,040
Speaker 1: film editing, and at the time I had my own

473
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,680
Speaker 1: production company, and I was filming lots of different things

474
00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:02,280
Speaker 1: for different people. It was weddings or dance concerts or

475
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:04,920
Speaker 1: show reels, and so that ended up being a huge

476
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 1: part of my life. And I just happened to stumble

477
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:11,399
Speaker 1: across the Wiggles audition which asked very specifically for a

478
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:15,919
Speaker 1: ballet dancing fairy, and I was like, that is me.

479
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:18,919
Speaker 1: And I went to the audition and got it. So

480
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:22,320
Speaker 1: it was out of the blue, and it wasn't, you know,

481
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,440
Speaker 1: an arduous process. I was there for the whole day,

482
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:27,800
Speaker 1: which was a long time, but you know, compared to

483
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:29,960
Speaker 1: some of the other auditions we were doing for Disney

484
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,919
Speaker 1: and you know, for the other big musical companies, it

485
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:36,880
Speaker 1: was relatively smooth that audition process.

486
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:38,920
Speaker 3: WHOA, oh my gosh.

487
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:42,159
Speaker 2: I had no idea that you had kind of moved

488
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:44,800
Speaker 2: not away from the arts, but that you were doing

489
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,880
Speaker 2: a whole different career at the same time as auditioning,

490
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:50,680
Speaker 2: but not really like you were already working in musical

491
00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:53,000
Speaker 2: theater or anything, and then just this audition just came

492
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 2: up and then bang, first female Wiggle.

493
00:24:55,880 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 1: Well it's so strange because I think even when myself

494
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 1: and Locke and Simon had become this new lineup of

495
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 1: the Wiggles back in twenty thirteen, a lot of people

496
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 1: had assumed that the three of us had auditioned for

497
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 1: those roles. And it was an interesting realization not just

498
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:18,639
Speaker 1: for us but for the audience that no, we just

499
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 1: happened to be part of the company in different roles,

500
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 1: all playing different characters. I toured with Locky for a

501
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:28,119
Speaker 1: bit at the beginning, then I toured with Simon and

502
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,159
Speaker 1: Lockie wasn't on that tour, and then all three of

503
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 1: us were on the tour, but as different roles dancers, musicians,

504
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:38,919
Speaker 1: you know, circus acrobats, and then we were chosen to

505
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,239
Speaker 1: be a Wiggle and it was we were offered, we

506
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:45,240
Speaker 1: were invited, and that was a really really special opportunity.

507
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:49,160
Speaker 1: And again because we weren't thinking that we were being watched.

508
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 1: You know, obviously the company was watching, but we were

509
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 1: going about our general everyday life of being a performer

510
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:03,159
Speaker 1: on show. That just felt bigger than life, and I

511
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,399
Speaker 1: never imagined that I would ever even be there as

512
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,639
Speaker 1: a Wiggly Dancer in the first place. So I was stop.

513
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 3: Wiggly Dancer.

514
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 1: I know it's a good title. It's a good title.

515
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:15,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so good.

516
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:19,159
Speaker 2: The Wiggles alone, like that title you were a Wiggle,

517
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:21,880
Speaker 2: like Wiggle in the singular is the cutest thing I've

518
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 2: ever heard.

519
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:23,399
Speaker 3: In my entire life.

520
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:28,880
Speaker 2: But like, the Wiggles are absolutely iconic, and as you mentioned,

521
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,640
Speaker 2: you grew up watching them. We all grew up watching them.

522
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 2: Generations have grown up with the Wiggles as such a

523
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 2: big part of their life, and it's I can't even

524
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:38,239
Speaker 2: imagine how weird it would be to then be like,

525
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 2: oh my gosh, I am one of these. For the

526
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 2: youth of Australia. This is so wild And it lasted

527
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 2: like nearly ten years. That was ten years ago in

528
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:51,919
Speaker 2: twenty twelve, when you like got invited to become a Wiggle.

529
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 2: So I feel like we all know the Wiggles, we

530
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,959
Speaker 2: all have like fond memories. But in terms of like

531
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:00,879
Speaker 2: the behind the scenes of being a I feel like

532
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,440
Speaker 2: that's the stuff that most of us would probably have

533
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,879
Speaker 2: absolutely no clue about. Can you give us some of

534
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,919
Speaker 2: the highlights of like the behind the scenes, Like what

535
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 2: is it like, especially being the first female and having

536
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 2: no clear model of what a female wiggle looks like?

537
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 2: Like how were those nine years? Like that's a huge question,

538
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,400
Speaker 2: I know, but yeah.

539
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:23,199
Speaker 3: I think what was wiggle life like?

540
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 1: I mean, it was amazing. It has been the most

541
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 1: amazing chapter of my life. And it is weird to

542
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:35,639
Speaker 1: talk about that my entire twenties was spent wiggling. So

543
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 1: for me, it's almost like going to university, like a

544
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,200
Speaker 1: different one. So you've been to one and then another

545
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 1: one maybe, and then you go to another one. You're like,

546
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,400
Speaker 1: I'm going to do this degree, and then you're there

547
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,400
Speaker 1: for ten years, and it's like it feels like you're

548
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 1: there with your schoolmates and you've all been through the

549
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:57,159
Speaker 1: same situations and challenges and we've traveled the world together

550
00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:00,719
Speaker 1: and we've made these close friendships. And so that particular

551
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 1: chapter is so dear to me. And I learned things

552
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 1: that I never thought that I would do, like sing

553
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 1: in front of a lot of people and spared the

554
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 1: begems out of me. And I am still so grateful

555
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 1: for everything that everybody imparted on me and in particular Lockie,

556
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:23,679
Speaker 1: who helped me learn how to use my voice in

557
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 1: storytelling and also for finding me all the harmonies that

558
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 1: I needed so that I could participate in a different

559
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,479
Speaker 1: key because a lot of the songs, particularly when I

560
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 1: joined at the very beginning, were all written for male

561
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 1: voice tones. So when it was you know, when we

562
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 1: were trying to shuffle things around and like what can

563
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 1: you sing and what can you sing? I was like,

564
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 1: I can't sing anything because it was either really low

565
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 1: or really high. And I was like, this is such

566
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 1: a struggle. But it was a great challenge to have

567
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 1: because then you know, it took me ages. It took

568
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 1: me probably a good four years to find where my

569
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 1: voice would be useful, I guess, and also recognizable, And

570
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 1: it took me a long time to work that out.

571
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 2: That's fascinating because again that's something that like no one

572
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,239
Speaker 2: would have thought about that they were written for a

573
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 2: male voice box and then suddenly it's.

574
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 3: Like, oh, we have a female wiggle.

575
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 2: How do we work like this in in a complimentary way,

576
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 2: And it's funny that people would assume that you just

577
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 2: solve that straight away.

578
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 3: But four years, like it's good. Things take time.

579
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, it took me ages. But also something to recognize

580
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 1: with the group was that it was founded by amazing

581
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 1: people with such a great musical background and foundation within themselves.

582
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 1: So they were all musicians. All the og Wiggles know

583
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 1: how to play something, so it's natural for them to

584
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 1: pick up an instrument and play it, and usually with

585
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 1: the band then, because most of them were in a

586
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 1: band together before the Wiggles. You know, it's the we

587
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 1: pick up the guitar and we start playing in the

588
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 1: key of E because that's normal key. And so most

589
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 1: of the songs initially were written based on songs that

590
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 1: they'd previously played or were derived from other melodies that

591
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 1: they've played, you know at the par but UNI like,

592
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 1: you know, growing up as a musician is a world

593
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 1: that I don't know about. But that was obviously a

594
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 1: huge part of their life which transferred over to The Wiggles,

595
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 1: and it was why it was so catchy and relatable

596
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 1: because these were the kinds of musical riffs and melodies

597
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 1: that were comfortable for them and people were already singing

598
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 1: along to them, so that made sense. And so when

599
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 1: when I came and I was like and here's the

600
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 1: KIV and I was like, oh, that's a bit high. Hell,

601
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 1: I think I was just a disappointment to myself and

602
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 1: to them that time. I was like, oh dear. So

603
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 1: you know, as the show went on and we had

604
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 1: such a beautiful positive response from people around the world,

605
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 1: which took many years as well, it rendered the idea

606
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 1: that Emma Wiggle might do her own show, and so

607
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 1: when that came through, that was a stressful, be surprising,

608
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 1: and see I was like, oh my gosh, what are

609
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 1: we gonna do about this singing? But then it gave

610
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 1: us an opportunity to write songs that were in my

611
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 1: key and that changed everything for me, and then I

612
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 1: worked out where I could sing. But also it should

613
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: be noted that I don't have a very big vocal range,

614
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 1: so I wasn't able to help them out very much.

615
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 2: But one thing that's coming through so strongly in such

616
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 2: a beautiful way for everyone listening is that that we

617
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 2: talk so much on the show about self doubt and

618
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 2: imposter syndrome, but particularly how acute that becomes when you

619
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 2: first start something new, Like it's a good sign that

620
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 2: you're getting out of the comfort zone, but then you've

621
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 2: also kind of got to deal with it so you

622
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 2: can actually do the thing. But that part of it

623
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 2: as time goes on, has been for you finding the

624
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 2: things that work, like acknowledging that you don't have a

625
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 2: big range. There are times when you overcome self doubt

626
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 2: by fixing the problem and extending your range, and then

627
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 2: there's times where you just figure out, you know what,

628
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:07,239
Speaker 2: that's my wheelhouse that isn't and working around it and

629
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 2: not constantly putting yourself in situations it's going to set

630
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 2: you up for failure, that's going to, you know.

631
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 3: Ramp up the self doubt all the time.

632
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 2: It sounds like it's been such a beautiful process of

633
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 2: feeling terrified at the start, finding friction points and kind

634
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 2: of working around them to then start to work with

635
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 2: what you do have and with what you are good at,

636
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 2: and with what you are comfortable with.

637
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 1: And one of the most beautiful things about being in

638
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 1: that particular role was that I got to have my

639
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 1: own name and I was myself, and that's something that

640
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 1: I'm very grateful for because a lot of people that

641
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 1: I went to school with that ended up getting jobs

642
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 1: in musical theater were playing different characters and there was

643
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: different names and you have to embody a different character

644
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 1: and it's not you, whereas we were embraced to bring

645
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 1: our personality. And hence why I think I had such

646
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 1: a rigorous training, you know, decade of figuring out what

647
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 1: is that? Because I am I what am I doing here?

648
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 1: And you know, I'd constantly say to the group, I'm

649
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 1: just a dancer. I just want to do the dancing

650
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 1: and they'd be like, no, no, you can sing sing trinkle,

651
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 1: trinkle a little stu. I'm like, oh, that's a really

652
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 1: hard one. Like surprisingly, twinkle Twinkle is really hard just

653
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 1: putting it out there. It's a really hard so it's

654
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 1: a really hard song. My favorite song is open Shut

655
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 1: Them is really I think that's where it came into

656
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 1: my own Open Shut Them, and it's a it's dear

657
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: to me, like I don't want to be that kind

658
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 1: of singer, but initially I was trying to be so

659
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 1: in the first couple of albums you can hear it,

660
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 1: I try some vibrato which I don't have, and it

661
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 1: was when I listened back, I like, I just have

662
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 1: to leave the room. It's horrible because I was trying

663
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 1: to be somebody else. That's why it took so long

664
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 1: for me to realize what was comfortable in my voice,

665
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 1: and people were connecting with my voice over time because

666
00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 1: it was clear. I realized that because I was doing

667
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 1: a lot of the storytelling, that seemed to be my

668
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 1: niche and it made me more comfortable because I was

669
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 1: telling the story to children. And as soon as I

670
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: could pay attention to the children and relay the story

671
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,839
Speaker 1: to them, I stopped thinking about myself. And as soon

672
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,240
Speaker 1: as that happened, then I wasn't worried.

673
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so interesting and it's funny you said that.

674
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 2: I feel like this is the your equivalent of what

675
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,359
Speaker 2: I say to people, like in business, for example, when

676
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 2: they talk about how they, you know, cringe when they

677
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 2: look at their first logo or the first version of

678
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 2: their products. I'm like, if you don't need to leave

679
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 2: the room when you hear the first rendition of something

680
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 2: that you did, then you haven't grown enough, Like you're

681
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,800
Speaker 2: supposed to cringe over version one, you know, that's the point.

682
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 1: You know. Now, in this technological age, there's a lot

683
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 1: of forums and discussions online and there's so many interesting

684
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:52,760
Speaker 1: discussions about the change in my voice and like why

685
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 1: did she sing like this in twenty fourteen and then

686
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,959
Speaker 1: in twenty and sixteen she sounded like that, And I'm like, wow,

687
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 1: people are really a tentive to identity through voice as well.

688
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,360
Speaker 1: And I think because we had to do so much

689
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 1: talking and dialogue and live shows, you know, the range

690
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:15,320
Speaker 1: of our voice was it was such a big part

691
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 1: of that role. And so the singing element was always

692
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:23,360
Speaker 1: really freaky to me. But once I could get comfortable

693
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 1: with my arrangement of songs or what I was singing,

694
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 1: then yeah, I think it got to yeah, twenty sixteen

695
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,800
Speaker 1: and I was like, I'm I'm ready, And twenty eighteen

696
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 1: I was like, this is good. I'm good. I know

697
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 1: where I'm singing and it's from and I'm fine with it.

698
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:38,360
Speaker 1: That's amazing.

699
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 2: So a couple of questions coming to mine now. So firstly,

700
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,840
Speaker 2: given that the digital age has as that decade progressed,

701
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 2: made you know, given you quite a profile and made

702
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 2: like the Wiggles, we already or knew who the Wiggles are.

703
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,360
Speaker 2: But then as a person, people get to know, like

704
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 2: you know who you're dating and what you're doing and

705
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 2: how your voice is changing, and they've got comparison and stuff.

706
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:03,799
Speaker 2: Did you struggle at all with as you mentioned as well,

707
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 2: being the first female Wiger was very well received after

708
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 2: a while, but that, like the digital age, also makes

709
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 2: criticism quite instant for you as well. Did you struggle

710
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 2: with that profile building process and that kind of real

711
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 2: time feedback in the beginning, but also did you struggle

712
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 2: with your audience being children, Like did you ever kind

713
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 2: of get to the end of the day and be like, oh,

714
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:27,439
Speaker 2: I want to speak adult or did you.

715
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 1: Like that children are the best? And to be honest,

716
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: I'm so grateful that they were our audience because they're

717
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 1: so embracing and it wouldn't matter if you looked like

718
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 1: a chicken. They'd be like, this is great. So it really,

719
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 1: you know, you get saved with the children's audience because

720
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 1: they're just so excited that you're there. With technology, there's

721
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 1: positives and negatives, and the real positive is that we

722
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 1: could connect with people around the world, which was amazing.

723
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 1: So our music content was being watched by people in

724
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,399
Speaker 1: other countries all at the same time, and then people

725
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 1: would be writing to us live and oh I love

726
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 1: this song, which is fantastic. And of course the negative,

727
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 1: as we know, the criticism is very, very high. But

728
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,359
Speaker 1: I do think that being a dancer, I was so

729
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 1: used to being told what not to do, and so

730
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 1: for me, I was never worried. I was like, yeah, okay, sure,

731
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 1: we'll take that on. But again, I mean sometimes if

732
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 1: you read things over and over again, or it's the

733
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 1: same comment that's coming up, you can take that on

734
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 1: in a way. But I would try and think about

735
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,799
Speaker 1: it as a critique and try and improve what I

736
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 1: was doing. So a lot of the comments my voice,

737
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:48,359
Speaker 1: which were very pronounced, I was like, yeah, okay, you're right,

738
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 1: my voice was a bit terrible on that one, and

739
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 1: then I would try and make improvements to make it

740
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 1: better or clearer or more recognizable and more like myself

741
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 1: rather than pretending I was Ariana Gruande, which I'm not.

742
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 1: I love her, but I'm not Ariana.

743
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,760
Speaker 2: That's really interesting because I agree with that. I feel

744
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 2: like being a dancer, And this is why I want

745
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 2: my kids eventually to one day I don't have kids yet,

746
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 2: but one day my future children to do things like

747
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 2: dancing or sport, because I feel like you get a

748
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 2: thicker skin, like you get a tolerance and a resilience

749
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 2: to criticism, possibly it went too far when I was

750
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 2: a young dancer, but you grow the ability to self

751
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 2: critique and to take on criticism and improve, like to

752
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:40,800
Speaker 2: take that on and not think, oh, it's my value

753
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 2: as a human is worse. But maybe I should just

754
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:44,399
Speaker 2: I don't know. I feel like I've got a much

755
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 2: higher tolerance for negative feedback. I mean, I don't love it,

756
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 2: but I think those earlier years really helped me now

757
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,720
Speaker 2: move on faster when I get negative feedback.

758
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,319
Speaker 1: And it's I mean, I like to call it feedback,

759
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 1: just as a blanket feedback, so that it has the

760
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 1: opportunity to be positive if it needs to be, and

761
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:10,919
Speaker 1: even if it is directed with a sad tone, there's

762
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 1: always an opportunity in that. And I think totally as

763
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 1: a dancer, it wasn't that it was necessarily harsh, even

764
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,240
Speaker 1: though it might come across like that. It was always

765
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:26,839
Speaker 1: about improving you as a better day totally, and it's

766
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 1: never given in a way that's you know, it's really hard.

767
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 1: I think it's hard. You're right, if you're a dancer,

768
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 1: or if you're in that kind of environment. Same with

769
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 1: a sporting team or you know, a specific discipline that

770
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:44,399
Speaker 1: requires routine practice and rehearsal and performance and all those

771
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: kinds of elements. There's something that you just get used

772
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 1: to and it's actually really helpful. Otherwise it really puts

773
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 1: you in a position where you can't self reflect, and

774
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 1: that value to not be able to reflect on yourself

775
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 1: is that's hard. I think that's one of the skills

776
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 1: about being an adult is accepting that you might not

777
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 1: have done it the right way, or that there could

778
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 1: be a better way. But you know, our dance teachers

779
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 1: were always like other leg different leg higher, get up there,

780
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 1: turn it out like it wasn't a personal critique, it

781
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:19,840
Speaker 1: was to help.

782
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 2: You be better, absolutely, And I found the hardest teachers

783
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 2: that were the scariest were often often the ones that

784
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 2: if I was, yeah, if I was really dedicated to

785
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:29,320
Speaker 2: getting better.

786
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 3: I'd want them.

787
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 2: I wouldn't want the softer ones, which maybe like a

788
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,919
Speaker 2: bit bit of a psychological thing going on there.

789
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 1: I think in terms of growing resilience, it's really about

790
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 1: accepting feedback that's outside yourself. And also, of course taking

791
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:49,240
Speaker 1: things is with a grain of salt, naturally, and as

792
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 1: technology tells us and shows us, you know, you can't

793
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:56,240
Speaker 1: listen to everything and take on board everything that's written

794
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 1: about you, because it can be super weird.

795
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,840
Speaker 2: So it's really interesting that you mentioned that around twenty

796
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 2: sixteen you started to get a little bit more like, Okay,

797
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 2: I'm in my groove, and then by twenty eighteen you

798
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 2: were like, I've got it, this is ready, I've found

799
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:15,320
Speaker 2: my groove and I'm ready. And then that in twenty

800
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:19,320
Speaker 2: twenty one, after like nine years, the Wiggles chapter ended.

801
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 2: And I think one of the things that can be

802
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 2: really difficult is when you're doing something that you absolutely

803
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 2: love and you do get really comfortable, It's like, how

804
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 2: long do you stay in that comfort before you agitate

805
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:32,919
Speaker 2: for a new chapter? How do you know when it's

806
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 2: time to grow into something else? How do you know

807
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 2: when you've not become complacent? But how do you know

808
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 2: when your growth in a particular area it's time to

809
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 2: shift your focus? How did you start your next chapter?

810
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 2: How have you unraveled your identity as a Wiggle and

811
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 2: then started crafting post wiggle Emma, Like, how did that

812
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 2: whole shift kind of happen for you?

813
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 1: They are so many questions.

814
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 2: By the way, sorry, there's like eight hundred questions in

815
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:06,879
Speaker 2: like one thing. But the whole, like as I'm sure

816
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 2: you can tell, the whole progression of a journey is

817
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:13,879
Speaker 2: so fascinating to me. And I think people are very

818
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 2: scared of their journey having many many steps, but actually

819
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 2: the best journeys do have many steps, and sometimes the

820
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 2: step falls in your lap, but sometimes you have to

821
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:25,360
Speaker 2: be ready to take it as well, and that sometimes

822
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 2: involves a lot of self reflection. And yeah, I just

823
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 2: I'm so curious how did that come about for you?

824
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 2: Because being yellow Emma Wiggle, I'm sure you could have

825
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 2: done that forever and had the happiest life.

826
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 1: Oh. Absolutely. And you know, I can reflect on some

827
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 1: of the interviews that I did in the decade where

828
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 1: I would say and truly believe that I would be

829
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 1: there till I was sixty, and I was like, oh, yeah,

830
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 1: I'm not being a Wiggle forever and ever and ever.

831
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 1: And you know, a part of that chapter will always

832
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 1: be a part of me. So in some ways, yes,

833
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 1: it will continue on forever. But in terms of being

834
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:03,879
Speaker 1: brave enough, as you mentioned about going into something new

835
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,880
Speaker 1: or you know, taking that leap, I don't even know

836
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 1: if I was brave, but I just took a punt

837
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 1: and I felt that that chapter to grow into something

838
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 1: else and to learn even more skills. Felt like that

839
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 1: that might be a good time, but I didn't know

840
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 1: if it was going to be a great time. I

841
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 1: just thought maybe now, But it wasn't cemented in my

842
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 1: brain as like I have closed it off, you know,

843
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: and this is everything that I can achieve. However, I

844
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 1: did think that in my headspace that I'd given everything

845
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 1: to Emma Wiggle in that time, and I was so

846
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 1: I got in such a swing. It was so so

847
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 1: comfortable and got so comfortable doing the shows, and I

848
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 1: grew so much in that role that yes, I felt

849
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 1: ready to then grow into another version of me. And

850
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 1: I guess what's interesting is that that took a long time.

851
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 1: I probably have only really come to terms with that

852
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:07,399
Speaker 1: now a year later from making that decision. I guess

853
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 1: it will always take time because we're always constantly growing.

854
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 1: But understanding that it is segmented in chapters has been

855
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 1: so helpful for me because now I think that was

856
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 1: that chapter, as you mentioned before, and now I'm onto

857
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 1: this new chapter. But life is a series of chapters,

858
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:29,360
Speaker 1: so we have to constantly progress and move forward and improve.

859
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:33,800
Speaker 1: And it became apparent to me because I was studying

860
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 1: at the same time, working out ways to include visual

861
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 1: communication with media for children through my PhD, that it

862
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 1: just became I can't even explain it. It's just really

863
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 1: strong in my waters. It's really like, I don't know

864
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 1: what it is, but a part of my passion is movement.

865
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 1: I love dan and I love visual communication and I

866
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 1: love learning sign language, and it just became overwhelming. And

867
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 1: at the time of the pandemic, when we weren't touring,

868
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 1: it gave me a lot of time to do a

869
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 1: lot of that writing the research, and I was like,

870
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 1: you know what, there's a lot to be had here.

871
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 1: We have not done enough in Australia. And I thought, okay,

872
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 1: if I'm going to make this opportunity now to try

873
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 1: and contribute to this area of research, it needs to

874
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 1: be now. And so I took a leap, but I

875
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:34,360
Speaker 1: didn't know what was going to happen. Really, I just

876
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 1: took it.

877
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,760
Speaker 2: But do you know, I feel like sometimes it's better

878
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 2: that you do that. I feel like sometimes those leaps,

879
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 2: if you did know what was involved, you wouldn't leap

880
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:46,399
Speaker 2: like the Nativity about what's going to happen. It's rip

881
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 2: the band aid and do it because then also when

882
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 2: you end on a high, you have no resentment about

883
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 2: staying somewhere for too long.

884
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:57,720
Speaker 1: Like I had the best time. I had the best time,

885
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 1: and it was really that. It was like a burning

886
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:06,839
Speaker 1: instinctive feeling that I was right right, I need to

887
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 1: be able to contribute to our content in Australia, particularly

888
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 1: in the children's space, because I love it and it's

889
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 1: where I have the most experience. There needs to be

890
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 1: more I could see more. I felt from experiences that

891
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:24,319
Speaker 1: were being told to me that there was a lack

892
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:28,400
Speaker 1: of accessibility in children's media and media in general, but

893
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:30,799
Speaker 1: especially in the children's space. And I was like, right,

894
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,400
Speaker 1: I'm doing it. They just took a leap.

895
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:34,319
Speaker 3: And you just did it.

896
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 2: Can you please put Emma Wiggle as your name on

897
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 2: your PhD? Like can it be doctor Wiggle because that

898
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 2: would be amazing.

899
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of the children. I remember

900
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 1: when we were talking to people about yeah PhD, and

901
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 1: so parents would explain that to children as being a doctor.

902
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 1: A lot of children felt that I was going to

903
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 1: be a medical doctor. So it was a very confusing title.

904
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 1: So maybe we need to come with a new name

905
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 1: for it. I don't know what it is.

906
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like a lot of PhDs don't use

907
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,319
Speaker 2: doctor because of that, And I'm like, if I do

908
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 2: a whole PhD, you are definitely calling me doctor.

909
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 3: There is no way you're not.

910
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 1: We have we haven't fully got there yet. I feel

911
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 1: like we're not quite there, but hopefully at some point

912
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 1: we will be. But unfortunately, but also fortunately leaving the

913
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:27,839
Speaker 1: Wiggles and that chapter that was, you know, so much

914
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 1: a part of my every single minute of every day,

915
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:36,400
Speaker 1: now I've been opened up to even more opportunities and

916
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 1: challenges about this particular space that I've had to extend

917
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:45,320
Speaker 1: the PhD to yield some of these cases to learn

918
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 1: from and write about. And so the PhD was meant

919
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:51,840
Speaker 1: to be finished, but because we have met so many people,

920
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 1: we have found some new research, we have met people

921
00:47:57,040 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 1: that are doing amazing things. We've also seen a lot

922
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:05,360
Speaker 1: lack of accessibility and inclusion. Wow, it's now like, hang on,

923
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 1: we just have to hold hold on the submission because

924
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:13,280
Speaker 1: hold hold the doctor phone. We have to write about

925
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 1: some of this stuff because it's really really interesting and

926
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 1: it's going to inform us for the next future of

927
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:22,840
Speaker 1: content creators. Hopefully. So that's why I keep going Hold,

928
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 1: I call up the union, like, just hold again, there's

929
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 1: something really good here. Hang on a second. This is

930
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 1: really interesting. So that's kind of where we're at now.

931
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I cannot wait to read it.

932
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 2: I actually love reading people's thesis like I love it. Yeah,

933
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:43,360
Speaker 2: absolutely did. I was a lawyer. I did an honest thesis.

934
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:47,240
Speaker 1: Shall I send it to you now? Please? I need please.

935
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 2: I love long film writing and I love editing. I've

936
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:52,839
Speaker 2: edited so many people's thesis like, honestly, if you ever

937
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 2: need an editor, it makes me very excited.

938
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 1: I mean I was in yourin but.

939
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 2: I absolutely send it my way. So how much time

940
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:04,839
Speaker 2: is that taking up? Now you're doing that full time?

941
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 2: And obviously we're going to move on to talk about

942
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:09,959
Speaker 2: a very exciting ambassadorship that you have. But is Emma

943
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 2: post wiggle figuring out? Like I can't even imagine how

944
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:15,760
Speaker 2: you figured out, like in those first days. I remember

945
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 2: when I quit corporate and went into business, Like the

946
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 2: first month, I was just like I have never known

947
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 2: how to do a day of work that wasn't like

948
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 2: very structured and very obvious like that someone else wasn't

949
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 2: kind of telling me what to do and going from

950
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 2: the Wiggles where like the wiggles are no matter who

951
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 2: is a wiggle at a certain time, there's like a

952
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 2: structure of how they do their working day yep. And

953
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:41,799
Speaker 2: then suddenly you're like, oh wait, I can what.

954
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 1: Am I doing? Yeah?

955
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 2: Like what is life? So how have you figured out

956
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 2: what your time is doing? Like?

957
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 3: What are you doing?

958
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 1: That has taken a year and it is that feeling

959
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 1: of liberation with time, but also opportunity not just to

960
00:49:57,120 --> 00:50:00,360
Speaker 1: work and collaborate with other people, Like I've just covered

961
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 1: so many people in the last year that are researching

962
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 1: similar things to me and are working in this space

963
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 1: of creative sign language, And I'm like, how did I

964
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 1: not know about you? What about you? Your project is amazing?

965
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 1: And all of these things have really come to the

966
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 1: forefront because we've now had time to either receive the

967
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 1: messages that have been coming to us some people like

968
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 1: I've been trying to contact you for years. I'm like,

969
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 1: I never knew about that, and so it's amazing. It's

970
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 1: amazing now to have the time to sift through and

971
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 1: understand where is everybody at, why are they connecting with

972
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:36,360
Speaker 1: the content, what are they looking for? What are they lacking?

973
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 1: What do they need? And that's essentially what we've been

974
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 1: doing over the last twelve months in creating a new

975
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 1: children's character and making sure that we're delivering the right material.

976
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 2: Is it an osline character? Is that sort of the

977
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 2: basis of the thesis?

978
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 1: Well, look, we'd like to acknowledge that Emma Mema, which

979
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 1: is the new children's character, is an extension I guess

980
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:04,720
Speaker 1: of myself, but maybe an outcome of some of this research.

981
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 1: So whilst it's not the actual conclusion, it has elements

982
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:14,439
Speaker 1: right it that integrate visual communication for what it needs

983
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:17,839
Speaker 1: to be. It is inspired by visual movement, but it's

984
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 1: also consulted by deaf talent here in Australia and other

985
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 1: friends of Emma. They may also use sign language. And

986
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:32,359
Speaker 1: so we have this beautiful friend of mine that I

987
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:36,320
Speaker 1: have known for many years, Elvin, who is deaf himself.

988
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:39,439
Speaker 1: He's a dancer, he was from Hong Kong. He moved

989
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 1: to Australia learnt ballet at twenty Can we stop them? Wow?

990
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:48,239
Speaker 2: We thought you were over the hill at four, so

991
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 2: twenty is like stop it.

992
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 1: Elvin is one of the most inspiring people and I'm

993
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:58,880
Speaker 1: just so grateful to have the chance not just to

994
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:02,799
Speaker 1: work with him, workshop with him, and he alongside my

995
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:06,279
Speaker 1: other friend Sue, who is deaf, who didn't learn sign

996
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:09,239
Speaker 1: language until her teenage years. I don't know how. I

997
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 1: just don't. I just don't get it. They are the

998
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 1: most creative and visually expressive people I've ever met, and

999
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 1: we just this, this is miss is my problem. I

1000
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 1: get so into it and we learn, we learn so

1001
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:27,479
Speaker 1: much from each other, and I'm just really grateful now

1002
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 1: to have the time to spend with these amazing professional

1003
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 1: artists who use visual communication for everyday life and for

1004
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 1: their professional life. And it's just yeah, it's taking my

1005
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:42,759
Speaker 1: breath away. It's just amazing. And that's why I keep extending.

1006
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 1: I'm like these people, of course, why and and and like,

1007
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:48,759
Speaker 1: look at what they're doing. Their work is amazing and

1008
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:50,759
Speaker 1: what are we learning and how can we connect and

1009
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 1: just stop me, stop it.

1010
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.

1011
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 2: When your thesis does come out, I'm going to do

1012
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 2: a little shout out back to it in one of

1013
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:00,360
Speaker 2: these episodes and then put the linking. I feel like

1014
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 2: the way listening, who are really fascinating, who will be

1015
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:08,839
Speaker 2: really fascinated but it's interesting you're talking about how like

1016
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:13,240
Speaker 2: getting access like as the chapter has closed, it's allowed

1017
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 2: you not only more time, but to finally take up

1018
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 2: some of the opportunities and connections that you just didn't

1019
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:22,840
Speaker 2: have capacity for and you have space for, but that

1020
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 2: you're able to use the profile that you have to

1021
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 2: amplify a lot of causes and things that you're really

1022
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:30,719
Speaker 2: passionate about that you didn't have time for before because

1023
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:32,440
Speaker 2: you were wiggling all the time. And now you have

1024
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:37,239
Speaker 2: a little bit more leeway to amplify things in society,

1025
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 2: and one of them is f October, on which, as

1026
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 2: we all know it's October. It tell us about F October.

1027
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 1: I also am upset with myself that I also did

1028
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:56,280
Speaker 1: not know much about F October before this year, and again,

1029
00:53:56,600 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 1: traveling so much and being immersed in different situations in

1030
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 1: different countries, you get overwhelmed with information. Whilst I knew

1031
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 1: about for October as a general concept, which is for

1032
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:12,920
Speaker 1: everybody a month obviously of October for the chance for

1033
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 1: everybody to frock themselves up or dress up in their

1034
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:20,760
Speaker 1: favorite frocks, and it's to raise awareness about ovarian cancer,

1035
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:23,799
Speaker 1: not just here in Australia but overseas two and it

1036
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:28,720
Speaker 1: really is about donating to the Ovarian Cancer Research Foundation

1037
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 1: to create more and more resources for new research. So

1038
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:38,479
Speaker 1: it is again another very interesting trajectory because I had

1039
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 1: very much the pleasure of meeting the people from the

1040
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:46,400
Speaker 1: OCRF earlier this year with Witchery and we did the

1041
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 1: white Shirt campaign to also raise funds for ovarian cancer,

1042
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:54,360
Speaker 1: and that experience in itself was life changing for me.

1043
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:58,799
Speaker 1: And whilst I've had my own situation with endometriosis, which

1044
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:01,920
Speaker 1: is not the same but in the relative area, I

1045
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 1: think when you start to talk to people about their

1046
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 1: own struggles, it just changes the conversation completely and then automatically, yes,

1047
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 1: your besties, you're having a tea party and you're like,

1048
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 1: tell me about your problems and what are your symptoms?

1049
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:16,280
Speaker 1: That's weird, that's the same as mine. And it's those

1050
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:19,440
Speaker 1: conversations that are what we're trying to encourage because I

1051
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:22,759
Speaker 1: think it's when people actually understand that maybe they might

1052
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 1: have something that's slightly not in the normal spectrum either

1053
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 1: and unfortunately these diseases are affecting so many people and

1054
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 1: so this is why the research is important. But anyway,

1055
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 1: Earlier in the year, I happen to be on a

1056
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:45,719
Speaker 1: panel discussion for the OCRF as an ambassador of the

1057
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:50,320
Speaker 1: White Shirt campaign, and we heard from stories about ovarian

1058
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:57,600
Speaker 1: cancer fighters and survivors and I was a mess. I

1059
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 1: was a literal emotional wreck because the stories from some

1060
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:06,880
Speaker 1: of these people that are still living with the disease

1061
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:12,480
Speaker 1: are just felt so real and challenging that it was

1062
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 1: something that I hadn't been exposed to properly before, particularly

1063
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:20,480
Speaker 1: in the area of ovarian cancer, which is a very

1064
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 1: very silent killer for want of a better phrase, and

1065
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 1: it is just very unknown, unfortunately, and that's why you

1066
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:32,279
Speaker 1: can get to the very late stages before you know,

1067
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 1: and then if you are diagnosed, your trajectory beyond that

1068
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:42,800
Speaker 1: point can be quite dicey. So when the OCIF approached

1069
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:47,000
Speaker 1: me to join for Froctober, I was like, yes, but

1070
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 1: hold on a second, what about these people? Their stories

1071
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 1: are so important and I think, really, even though I've

1072
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 1: joined as an ambassador, I would like to just swibble

1073
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:02,760
Speaker 1: the spotlight to some of these people that are actually

1074
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 1: living with the disease and the challenge they face daily

1075
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:09,399
Speaker 1: and look one of the people and if you have

1076
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:13,120
Speaker 1: time and you look on the OCRF website, there's an amazing,

1077
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 1: amazing woman called Leanne, and Leanne has been living with

1078
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:21,400
Speaker 1: verying cancer for over five years and I just can't

1079
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:25,919
Speaker 1: her experience, her stories, the way she talks, the way

1080
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 1: she lives her life is something that we can all

1081
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 1: learn from. And I just the other day when we

1082
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:35,960
Speaker 1: were launching for October, we got to see Leanne again

1083
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 1: and she mentioned, you know, I didn't even know if

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Speaker 1: i'd see you again, and I was like, ah again,

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Speaker 1: tears out of my eyeballs, like jumping out, like I

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Speaker 1: just it's amazing the personal connections that we've been able

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Speaker 1: to make just through this campaign alone, and the people

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Speaker 1: and work that is behind the OCRF and the researchers

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Speaker 1: and the scientists and doctors behind Overian cancer research are

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Speaker 1: beyond amazing, beyond I just can't. I'm stepping back. That's amazing, amazing,

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Speaker 1: it's amazing, it's amazing. That's why I can't be doctoring,

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Speaker 1: because they are really Oh it's crazy, they're beautiful.

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Speaker 2: It's still it just blows me away. I've also been helping,

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Speaker 2: you know, part of the white shirt campaign for a

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Speaker 2: couple of years and done various things with the OCRF

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Speaker 2: and every time I hear it, like one woman dies

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Speaker 2: every eight hours in Australia, not even globally, but in

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Speaker 2: Australia from overian cancer and yet there's like still no

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Speaker 2: early detection test. It's just it's so misunderstood, and like

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Speaker 2: I feel like it's one of those things that once

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Speaker 2: you hear the statistic, you just want to scream about

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Speaker 2: that might the issue?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, go and get.

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Speaker 2: Checked and your perhaps me doesn't cover it, like all

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Speaker 2: these things that we've just and I think the more

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Speaker 2: it can be amplified and the more conversations you can have,

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Speaker 2: and the more like who doesn't want to get frocked

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Speaker 2: up in October? Like that's the funnest way to get

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Speaker 2: people having a conversation. What an amazing campaign.

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Speaker 1: You've absolutely hit the nail on the head. It really

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Speaker 1: is about and Leanne talks about this too. It's definitely

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Speaker 1: for October is to celebrate the joy of coming together,

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Speaker 1: but also it has such a juxtaposed message and the

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Speaker 1: fact that a woman dies every eight hours from overi

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Speaker 1: in cancer is overwhelming and for this particular campaign, I

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Speaker 1: was very honored to wear this amazing frock designed by

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Speaker 1: a guy called Jamie and his cousin Jenna very sadly

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Speaker 1: passed away from OVERI in cancer. And he's put these

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Speaker 1: big glitter bands on the dress that represent the eight hours.

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Speaker 1: And so there's eight gold bands on the dress. That's

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Speaker 1: why you have to come with the photo. But that's

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Speaker 1: why he's.

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Speaker 3: I've seen it.

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Speaker 1: It's so beautiful, like and so this is this is

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Speaker 1: going to sound and quite weird. But when I was

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Speaker 1: talking with Jamie about the dress, initially, I said, can

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Speaker 1: we just clarify the eight bands because we were talking

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Speaker 1: about the design and he'd showed me pictures because we

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Speaker 1: hadn't seen each other in real life yet. And I

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Speaker 1: was like, the most it's so bright, it's so joyous,

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Speaker 1: and he's like, oh, it would have been Jenna's favorite

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Speaker 1: it's her favorite color. And I said, you've just you've

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Speaker 1: done such an amaze. The whole dress is just it

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Speaker 1: is breathtaking. But I said, so are the bands to

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Speaker 1: represent that a woman is diagognosed every eight hours and

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Speaker 1: he goes no, one passes away every eight And I

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Speaker 1: was like, and it's as soon as the facts are

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Speaker 1: in your mind, you cannot get rid of it. And

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Speaker 1: this is what for October is about. It's about how

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Speaker 1: we can support this conversation whilst we may not be

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Speaker 1: suffering from ovarian cancer ourselves, or we might not know it.

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Speaker 1: It is about bringing this conversation to light and being

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Speaker 1: able to tell as many people as possible. And that

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Speaker 1: really is our responsibility. And that's the only way that

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Speaker 1: I can see my partnership with the OCRF is just

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Speaker 1: being there to strike up the conversation.

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Speaker 2: Oh well, you're doing an incredible, incredible job. I mean

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Speaker 2: even just hearing you speak about it now, you speak

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Speaker 2: with such passion and that the dress I didn't know

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Speaker 2: about the symbology behind it. I'll have to share share

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Speaker 2: that photo from the from the campaign when we publish

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Speaker 2: the podcast. It's just, Yeah, you are doing a wonderful job.

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Speaker 2: I feel like so moved even hearing you speak about it.

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Speaker 1: Now when you hear Leanne, Oh, if you're in a

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Speaker 1: room with Leanne, you just bring your tissues. That's all

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Speaker 1: I can say, bring your tissues. And that's I guess.

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Speaker 1: It is important to note that it's not just me

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Speaker 1: frolicking around in any old dress. This particular frocking is

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Speaker 1: so important and is in honor of not just Jenna's life,

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Speaker 1: but of so many many people that have lost the

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Speaker 1: fight with ovarian cancer. And look, I'm just really all

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Speaker 1: I'm there is I'm just a cheerleader. I am a

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Speaker 1: cheerleader for the research and the foundation.

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Speaker 2: So for our listeners, for anyone else who wants to

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Speaker 2: frock up in October?

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Speaker 3: How do we, like, do you register? How do we

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Speaker 3: sort of be part of it?

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Speaker 1: There's lots of different ways. You could hold your own

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Speaker 1: tea party and dress up.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, tea pat like we're actually holding tea parties.

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Speaker 1: We could. I mean, essentially you have an event, so

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Speaker 1: you can register your event and fundraise that way. You

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Speaker 1: could even fundraise just by donating to one of our

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Speaker 1: other people that have registered online. So if you visit

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Speaker 1: the OCF and you click donate, you can see other

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Speaker 1: ambassadors and people that have been following their campaign for

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Speaker 1: many years, and they just have the most amazing array

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Speaker 1: of dresses. It's just incredible. Somebody's like, this is the

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Speaker 1: dress I always wear for froc Tober and when it's

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Speaker 1: in the second week of front, I always had this

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Speaker 1: One'm like, that is a amazing. Why haven't I not

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Speaker 1: known about this, and so you can donate to other

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01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:07,800
Speaker 1: people's events or other people's fundraising campaigns, or you can

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Speaker 1: just donate yourself to the cause. But yes, for October

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Speaker 1: is about instigating that awareness. But you can donate to

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Speaker 1: the OCRF anytime of the year.

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Speaker 3: Amazing.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'll make sure to include links to everything or

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Speaker 2: the information and where you can donate and where you

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Speaker 2: can find other people who are participating as well in

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Speaker 2: the show notes. Emma, thank you so so much for

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Speaker 2: this chat. I feel like I could we didn't even

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Speaker 2: touch on your end. I feel like that I have

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Speaker 2: so many more questions for you, but we'll have to

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Speaker 2: just have a tea party another time. Yeah, have part two.

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Speaker 2: Very last question for you, since I love quotes so much,

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Speaker 2: if you had to leave our audience with a particular

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Speaker 2: quote that was your favorite, what would it be?

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Speaker 1: Be a goat? I don't oh, yes, that's only yes.

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Speaker 1: Just boaths to cheeky. They have no inhibitions, so you know,

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Speaker 1: be yourself, be a goat. I love that.

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Speaker 2: And also go and google if anyone needs to be

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01:04:03,240 --> 01:04:06,360
Speaker 2: cheered up at any time any day, go and look

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01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:10,240
Speaker 2: up fainting goats on YouTube. Have you seen fainting goats,

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01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:12,880
Speaker 2: you know the ones that like they get too excited.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and they're muscles. They're so cute. But you can

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01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:19,240
Speaker 1: also if you want to look at very cute goats,

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Speaker 1: you can have a look at them on my social

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Speaker 1: media too.

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Speaker 2: Of course, Oh my god, we should change it to like,

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Speaker 2: Emma goat lover or something.

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Speaker 1: I had an interview not that long ago, and I

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Speaker 1: think the title of the article was crazy goat lady.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, that pretty much sums me up.

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Speaker 3: Yeah that fits. That fits.

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Speaker 2: But you're also the goat as in like the greatest

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Speaker 2: of all time, so I feel like there's a double

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Speaker 2: meeting going on.

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you, but just be oh you've seen Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's not my sheep, but that's a rescue sheep on

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Speaker 1: the on the sanctuary. I know. I'm like, we're His

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Speaker 1: name is Boots, and it steals my goat's food, so

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Speaker 1: we're not best friends.

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Speaker 2: Wombats, Hello, that's my goat, mom, mom, mom, on like

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Speaker 2: a dog.

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Speaker 1: Honestly, that's Strawberry. Yeah, she's beautiful Strawberry.

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Speaker 3: And I actually like puppies.

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Speaker 1: Yep, yep, yep, yep. They're amazing beautiful animals.

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Speaker 2: Oh Wow, so much goat content. All right, yeah, hit

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Speaker 2: up Emma Watkins Official.

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Speaker 1: And invite the goats to your Froctober tea party and

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Speaker 1: dress up, frock up and be a goat. That's what

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Speaker 1: I'm parting with.

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Speaker 2: Quote of the day amazing, Emma, thank you so much

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Speaker 2: for joining. This was absolutely wonderful and we'll have to

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Speaker 2: do a tea party suit.

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Speaker 1: Can we please? That would be lovely? Absolutely, thank you.

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate it.

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01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:48,000
Speaker 2: Em as one of those people you can't speak to

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01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:51,600
Speaker 2: without having a gigantic smile on your face. I feel

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01:05:51,600 --> 01:05:54,040
Speaker 2: like even just listening to her voice you would be smiling.

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01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:58,160
Speaker 2: She's such an amazing human being and doing incredible things

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01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:00,240
Speaker 2: her PhD. You can find out more about it on

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01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:03,520
Speaker 2: her page and Emma Memma, the character she's creating, also

1245
01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:05,760
Speaker 2: has its own page, or you can just check out

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01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:09,280
Speaker 2: everything else she's doing on Instagram at Emma Watkins Official.

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01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:12,080
Speaker 2: And please do tager if you enjoyed this episode and.

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01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:14,240
Speaker 1: Happen to feel generous enough to share it so that we.

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Speaker 2: Can keep spreading the yighborhood and the ya as far

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01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:20,720
Speaker 2: and wide as we can. Of course, we are so

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Speaker 2: lucky to have had Emma on during the month of

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Speaker 2: for October, and I've included in the show notes links

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Speaker 2: to the os aref's campaign for twenty twenty two, along

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01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:32,720
Speaker 2: with some important facts on ovarian cancer, how you can

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Speaker 2: get involved, how you can donate, and where the funds go.

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Speaker 1: It is an.

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Speaker 2: Incredibly important cause and it's so important to raise awareness

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01:06:41,040 --> 01:06:43,560
Speaker 2: of the fact that it is not very easily diagnosed

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Speaker 2: and spread the word about ocrf's incredible work.

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Speaker 3: So head to the show.

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Speaker 1: Notes for that.

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Speaker 2: And in the meantime, I hope you're having a wonderful

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Speaker 2: week and is seizing your yay man manas