WEBVTT - "Take That Down." A Very Inconvenient Interview 0:00:10.327 --> 0:00:13.047 You're listening to Amma Mia podcast. 0:00:13.727 --> 0:00:16.767 Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters 0:00:16.807 --> 0:00:23.527 that this podcast is recorded on Hello and welcome to 0:00:23.567 --> 0:00:24.047 Mamma Mia. 0:00:24.127 --> 0:00:24.527 Out loud. 0:00:24.607 --> 0:00:27.287 What women are actually talking about on Monday, the twenty 0:00:27.327 --> 0:00:30.087 third of September. I'm Holly Wainwright, I'm. 0:00:29.887 --> 0:00:31.807 Mea Friedman, and I'm Jesse Stevens. 0:00:31.847 --> 0:00:34.687 And on the show today, the former First Lady of 0:00:34.727 --> 0:00:38.607 America is defending her right to express herself through nudity, 0:00:39.087 --> 0:00:43.727 which is ace, but defending herself from whom. Also, there's 0:00:43.767 --> 0:00:46.207 a surge in breast surgery among young women, but it's 0:00:46.207 --> 0:00:49.007 breast reductions, not enlargements that are on the rise. 0:00:49.407 --> 0:00:51.247 Why is that also? 0:00:51.607 --> 0:00:55.127 Take it down? One of the biggest celebrity media brands 0:00:55.167 --> 0:00:58.247 just bowed to pressure to remove a video interview with 0:00:58.287 --> 0:01:01.447 a very famous actress, but first Jesse. 0:01:01.967 --> 0:01:06.807 Last week, thousands of pages and other wireless devices simultaneously 0:01:07.087 --> 0:01:11.327 exploded across Lebanon and part of Steria. It began on 0:01:11.407 --> 0:01:16.327 Tuesday as thousands of handheld electronic pages, which had been 0:01:16.367 --> 0:01:20.847 distributed by Hesbela, exploded on busy streets. To back up 0:01:20.847 --> 0:01:24.367 for a moment, Hesbela is a designated terrorist organization, and 0:01:24.407 --> 0:01:28.127 they control the most powerful armed force in Lebanon. The 0:01:28.167 --> 0:01:33.287 assault continued Wednesday, with more devices detonating, including two way radios. 0:01:34.087 --> 0:01:37.087 As the Washington Post put it, the attack was unlike 0:01:37.207 --> 0:01:41.527 any other in size and scope, turning everyday devices into 0:01:41.567 --> 0:01:46.687 weapons of war. At least thirty two people, including two children. 0:01:46.767 --> 0:01:49.847 Reports vary between two and four children were killed and 0:01:49.967 --> 0:01:53.687 thousands more were injured. Many of the explosions happened in 0:01:53.727 --> 0:01:57.127 the vicinity of large crowds. Hesbelah has said this was 0:01:57.167 --> 0:02:00.807 an attack by Israel, but so far Israeli officials have 0:02:00.887 --> 0:02:06.367 declined to comment. Hesbelah has vowed retaliation. And I found 0:02:06.727 --> 0:02:09.567 something deeply unsettling in the reporting of the so over 0:02:09.607 --> 0:02:13.207 the weekend, I felt as though headlines and even the 0:02:13.287 --> 0:02:16.007 tone that was existing in a lot of the coverage 0:02:16.447 --> 0:02:18.887 was as though this was some sort of action movie, 0:02:19.127 --> 0:02:21.487 as if children didn't make up some of the casualties. 0:02:22.127 --> 0:02:25.327 And it felt like and it has felt like this 0:02:25.367 --> 0:02:28.647 for months that were becoming increasingly desensitized to the loss 0:02:28.847 --> 0:02:33.087 of human life. There's been comparisons to the James Bond 0:02:33.287 --> 0:02:37.527 element of it. I was reading one very highly respected 0:02:37.687 --> 0:02:40.847 publication that referred to it as an achievement, and I 0:02:40.887 --> 0:02:43.087 thought of the parents of the kids who lost their lives, 0:02:43.487 --> 0:02:45.807 and if I was in Lebanon or in any part 0:02:45.967 --> 0:02:48.807 of the Middle East right now, I'd be terrified, more 0:02:48.887 --> 0:02:51.767 terrified than I was a week ago. So it just 0:02:51.807 --> 0:02:54.447 served as a reminder to me that regardless of where 0:02:54.447 --> 0:02:58.167 you are in the world, the innocent human life matters, 0:02:58.327 --> 0:03:00.967 and we've got to be careful not to get excited 0:03:01.047 --> 0:03:04.487 or gleeful because there's new technology, because this isn't a 0:03:04.527 --> 0:03:05.047 video game. 0:03:05.167 --> 0:03:05.967 These are real people. 0:03:06.247 --> 0:03:09.167 It reminded me a little bit that sort of all 0:03:09.367 --> 0:03:12.287 or is the wrong word, but it's all a new technology. 0:03:12.647 --> 0:03:15.727 In nineteen ninety, when the Iraq War started, there was 0:03:16.007 --> 0:03:19.127 again another big leap in technology, with drones and cameras 0:03:19.127 --> 0:03:20.967 been used to drop bombs on targets, which you could 0:03:21.007 --> 0:03:24.767 then also see. We watched that on CNN and pilots 0:03:24.807 --> 0:03:27.047 were watching it on these screens, and there were interviews 0:03:27.047 --> 0:03:30.007 with the pilots after they finished their missions and bombings, 0:03:30.047 --> 0:03:32.207 and they came off and these were like pretty young 0:03:32.247 --> 0:03:34.087 guys and they were like, it was so cool. It 0:03:34.127 --> 0:03:37.567 was like playing a video game. And even then there 0:03:37.607 --> 0:03:39.967 was a little bit of discomfort in the same way 0:03:40.007 --> 0:03:43.007 that you say, where it can be really easy to 0:03:43.127 --> 0:03:46.967 forget that there are human lives, and in the case 0:03:47.167 --> 0:03:51.447 of what happened with Hesbola, the targets of this attack 0:03:51.927 --> 0:03:55.687 were terrorists whose sole aim is to kill other people. 0:03:56.407 --> 0:03:58.487 So I guess you would say very clearly they were 0:03:58.527 --> 0:04:01.007 the bad guys, but also civilians were injured and killed, 0:04:01.687 --> 0:04:03.767 and they weren't bad guys, they were civilians. 0:04:04.167 --> 0:04:08.287 I think also it's worth remembering that as we're watching 0:04:08.287 --> 0:04:10.647 this and everybody's talk talking about how did it happen, 0:04:10.687 --> 0:04:15.687 and pages and walkie talkies and getting explosives into systems 0:04:15.687 --> 0:04:19.887 inside people's homes, what it actually signals is an escalation 0:04:20.447 --> 0:04:22.727 of something that I think a lot well obviously a 0:04:22.727 --> 0:04:25.367 lot of the world is very invested in de escalation 0:04:25.687 --> 0:04:28.447 of the Middle East, in the Middle East, and so 0:04:28.647 --> 0:04:30.847 it's not good news for anyone who was hoping that 0:04:31.527 --> 0:04:34.447 peace was closer, because it's only further away. 0:04:35.287 --> 0:04:38.567 If anyone was wondering where Milania Trump has been during 0:04:38.567 --> 0:04:42.567 the past few years, she's been writing her autobiography and 0:04:42.607 --> 0:04:44.887 also signing a deal to make her own range of 0:04:44.927 --> 0:04:49.127 Christmas decorations Thank God, which is unexpected because when she 0:04:49.167 --> 0:04:51.647 and Donald Trump were in the White House, you might remember, 0:04:51.807 --> 0:04:54.567 hopefully you don't. You know, every first lady's in charge 0:04:54.567 --> 0:04:57.367 of decorating the White House for Christmas and their choice 0:04:57.367 --> 0:05:01.167 of Christmas decorations. Her choice was very dystopian. It was 0:05:01.207 --> 0:05:05.887 a lot of black trees and it was like melefelsince House. 0:05:06.087 --> 0:05:08.647 Maybe there was a leaked phone call where she said, 0:05:09.287 --> 0:05:13.087 I fucking hate Christmas. Anyway, Times Change now are launching 0:05:13.167 --> 0:05:17.207 Christmas decorations. But the promotional strategy for her book is 0:05:17.287 --> 0:05:20.047 what has been rolling out in the most surreal way 0:05:20.327 --> 0:05:23.207 the last few days with a series of again pretty 0:05:23.247 --> 0:05:27.367 dystopian videos, short in black and white. She really does 0:05:27.527 --> 0:05:31.847 like that quite severe, very stark lighting heavy. 0:05:31.967 --> 0:05:36.047 Usually yeah, she thinks it's sophisticated because dramatic music. What 0:05:36.127 --> 0:05:37.727 I've seen of the cover of a book is it's 0:05:37.727 --> 0:05:39.807 literally just a white Do you think that's really. 0:05:39.607 --> 0:05:41.967 The No, I don't think that is a way I cover well. 0:05:42.007 --> 0:05:44.287 In these videos she talks about all manner of things 0:05:44.287 --> 0:05:48.407 and looks and sounds well, kind of disconcertingly like dystopian AI. 0:05:49.487 --> 0:05:51.367 The book isn't actually out from a couple of weeks, 0:05:51.367 --> 0:05:53.687 so nobody's seen the actual cover already yet, but here's 0:05:53.727 --> 0:05:55.487 a little bit of a taste of the videos. 0:05:55.687 --> 0:05:59.767 Writing this memoir has been a deeply personal and reflective 0:05:59.847 --> 0:06:04.687 journey for me, as a private person who has often 0:06:04.727 --> 0:06:10.807 been the subject of public scrutiny and misrepresentation. I feel 0:06:10.807 --> 0:06:15.847 a responsibility to clarify the facts. I believe it is 0:06:15.887 --> 0:06:19.087 important to share my perspective the truth. 0:06:19.567 --> 0:06:22.047 But the title of one of these videos, in particular 0:06:22.087 --> 0:06:24.967 that I didn't play just then, stands out, and it is, 0:06:25.287 --> 0:06:28.447 why do I stand proudly behind my new modeling work? 0:06:29.167 --> 0:06:30.887 So you know it's going to be really excellent before 0:06:30.887 --> 0:06:33.167 you even here? Ply on this one, here's a little 0:06:33.207 --> 0:06:35.967 bit of what she says in that video. 0:06:35.607 --> 0:06:39.087 Why do I stand proudly behind my nude modeling work? 0:06:40.207 --> 0:06:44.407 The more pressing question is why has the media chosen 0:06:44.447 --> 0:06:48.607 to scrutinize my celebration of the human forum in a 0:06:48.647 --> 0:06:52.527 fashion photoshoot? Are we no longer able to appreciate the 0:06:52.567 --> 0:06:58.367 beauty of the human body? Throughout history, master artists have 0:06:58.487 --> 0:07:03.567 revered the human shape, evoking profound emotions and admiration. We 0:07:03.567 --> 0:07:07.767 should honor our bodies and embrace the timeless tradition of 0:07:07.967 --> 0:07:11.847 using art as a powerful means of self expression. 0:07:12.367 --> 0:07:16.087 While she was talking that voiceover on the video, there 0:07:16.127 --> 0:07:19.207 were all pictures of like famous works of art by 0:07:19.247 --> 0:07:24.167 famous artists like Angel and Sassan, And she didn't actually 0:07:24.207 --> 0:07:26.607 show her pictures, but she post naked for a French 0:07:26.647 --> 0:07:30.087 adult magazine in nineteen ninety five and for British GQ 0:07:30.407 --> 0:07:34.247 in two thousand and The modeling photos were highlighted a 0:07:34.247 --> 0:07:37.767 little bit in the twenty sixteen campaign when The New 0:07:37.807 --> 0:07:40.487 York Post published several of the nude photos. Because of course, 0:07:40.487 --> 0:07:43.127 there is going to be some media discussion about your 0:07:43.207 --> 0:07:45.767 nudes when you're the first lady or the want to 0:07:45.767 --> 0:07:47.847 be first lady, especially when your husband is all about 0:07:47.887 --> 0:07:52.727 slut shaming female enemies and imposing traditional roles for women. 0:07:52.967 --> 0:07:56.847 So we're certainly not endorsing any shaming of anyone for 0:07:56.927 --> 0:08:00.047 being nude. But what's interesting is that she's answering a 0:08:00.127 --> 0:08:04.527 question that nobody was asking, and it's puzzling, Holly, what's 0:08:04.567 --> 0:08:04.967 going on. 0:08:05.447 --> 0:08:08.767 So apparently Milania has asked for the rights for those 0:08:08.807 --> 0:08:11.767 images to include in her memoir. So she wants you, 0:08:12.087 --> 0:08:14.247 she wants to republish that she wants you to know 0:08:14.327 --> 0:08:16.007 that those nudes are going to be in her book. 0:08:16.247 --> 0:08:17.567 So she going for and Rada. 0:08:17.647 --> 0:08:20.087 I think she's going full and Rada. But also I 0:08:20.127 --> 0:08:24.447 am obsessed with Milania Trump. Why because say what you 0:08:24.527 --> 0:08:26.527 like about Donald Trump, and we have said many things 0:08:26.607 --> 0:08:30.567 about Donald Trump. His era of political assent in the 0:08:30.647 --> 0:08:33.607 US has ripped up so many conventions, all the sort 0:08:33.647 --> 0:08:36.487 of things that we used to insist on from politicians, 0:08:36.527 --> 0:08:38.407 like that they at least pretend to be a nice 0:08:38.447 --> 0:08:40.487 sort of human being and can go around saying things 0:08:40.487 --> 0:08:43.447 like grabbing by the posse and insisting the elections that 0:08:43.447 --> 0:08:45.247 you lost that you actually won, and all those things 0:08:45.247 --> 0:08:47.847 that we used to think, oh, that's not very presidential, 0:08:48.007 --> 0:08:51.287 things like fidelity and all that's gone, lack of nudity 0:08:51.327 --> 0:08:54.367 in Paul being a felon. But you could argue that 0:08:54.447 --> 0:08:57.367 all that through some lenses, you could say it's quite refreshing, 0:08:57.447 --> 0:08:59.567 because American presidents have got away with a whole lot 0:08:59.567 --> 0:09:01.247 of shit a lot of time, but they always had 0:09:01.287 --> 0:09:04.407 to pretend that they had this lovely wife by their 0:09:04.487 --> 0:09:08.127 side who adored them, happy family, blah blah blah. Milania 0:09:08.367 --> 0:09:13.447 barely even pretends to live with him, like him sleep 0:09:13.487 --> 0:09:16.367 with him, certainly, not hang around him, hold his hand. 0:09:16.807 --> 0:09:19.367 I think she obviously has. I mean, I know this speculation, 0:09:19.447 --> 0:09:21.407 but a lot of people say a certain amount of 0:09:21.447 --> 0:09:23.967 agreed appearances are in their. 0:09:24.047 --> 0:09:24.887 Contracts quite well. 0:09:24.927 --> 0:09:26.887 So she's like, you know, I know you do kind 0:09:26.887 --> 0:09:28.607 of need a wife by your side as you're running 0:09:28.607 --> 0:09:30.047 for president. We're not going to do this in a 0:09:30.087 --> 0:09:33.367 conventional way. I'll just turn up on these particular dates. 0:09:34.087 --> 0:09:36.847 The book is great. It's released on October the eighth, 0:09:36.847 --> 0:09:39.367 which is less than a month before the presidential election. 0:09:39.527 --> 0:09:41.047 Now again, have you seen it? 0:09:41.447 --> 0:09:44.607 No? I mean it sounds great from this, like such 0:09:44.647 --> 0:09:47.167 a good idea. You're like, I'm going to published a 0:09:47.247 --> 0:09:52.447 memoir a month before MyD It's just hilarious. It's just 0:09:52.527 --> 0:09:55.207 hilarious because the thing that the Trump's are great out 0:09:55.287 --> 0:09:58.487 is grifting. So on her site, you can buy images 0:09:58.527 --> 0:10:01.127 of her, you can buy NFTs that she's made of, 0:10:01.167 --> 0:10:03.287 like pretty flowers, you can buy Christmas ornaments, you can 0:10:03.327 --> 0:10:08.167 buy jewelry. It's like working every angle right srifters, which 0:10:08.287 --> 0:10:11.567 is not again not generally what first ladies do. And 0:10:11.647 --> 0:10:14.247 I have to say that what I admire in all this, 0:10:15.007 --> 0:10:17.647 I mean I don't really admire in any way, but 0:10:17.727 --> 0:10:21.767 I admire their complete disregard for convention. Like for years 0:10:21.807 --> 0:10:25.007 and decades and forever, first ladies have had to pretend. 0:10:25.327 --> 0:10:27.407 She's not pretending, She's just going all out. 0:10:27.527 --> 0:10:31.047 You say that, But what Milania has done here, which 0:10:31.127 --> 0:10:34.767 is surprising, is that she's agreed to be a cog 0:10:35.367 --> 0:10:37.967 in Trump's election campaign. 0:10:37.607 --> 0:10:40.767 But only if it benefits her and her Christmas ornament business. 0:10:40.807 --> 0:10:42.927 Do you think she really wanted to write this book. 0:10:43.127 --> 0:10:44.767 I feel as though they sat down and they looked 0:10:44.767 --> 0:10:48.847 at Trump's campaign and they went, what we need here 0:10:49.007 --> 0:10:52.487 is Milania to say something, or to stand for something, 0:10:52.607 --> 0:10:56.647 or to contribute to the momentum. Obviously, one of the 0:10:56.687 --> 0:10:59.527 clips that went quite viral was the one where she 0:10:59.927 --> 0:11:03.127 is suggesting that there was more to the assassination attempt, 0:11:03.127 --> 0:11:06.127 and she shares the family perspective that he's someone who 0:11:06.167 --> 0:11:08.087 you know, he's a father and he's a husband. And 0:11:08.607 --> 0:11:11.647 how much at her what she's doing, at least in 0:11:11.687 --> 0:11:13.647 this promotion is humanizing him. 0:11:14.127 --> 0:11:16.287 I don't think so, though, do you know what I mean? Like, 0:11:16.767 --> 0:11:19.167 maybe that might be a strategy if it was a 0:11:19.167 --> 0:11:20.567 completely different strategy. 0:11:20.607 --> 0:11:23.487 So she's talking more from the videos that have been 0:11:23.527 --> 0:11:27.727 released so far, it's more talking politically because she's like, 0:11:27.767 --> 0:11:31.167 in twenty twenty, the election happened and it changed everything 0:11:31.287 --> 0:11:34.967 gasoline prices, cost of living, and it's like, that's not 0:11:35.287 --> 0:11:38.807 the perspective that I would be most interested in from you. 0:11:38.967 --> 0:11:41.607 And look, there's also a long history of first ladies 0:11:41.647 --> 0:11:44.927 and former first ladies writing their story, and they absolutely 0:11:44.967 --> 0:11:46.647 should because their perspective is interesting. 0:11:46.767 --> 0:11:48.527 Hillary Clinton just released a book this week. 0:11:48.607 --> 0:11:53.567 Yeah, but also Michelle Obama, her extraordinary book, Becoming, which 0:11:53.607 --> 0:11:55.967 is one of the top selling nonfiction books of all time. 0:11:56.767 --> 0:11:59.927 I know what you're saying, Holly, that she's disregarding all 0:11:59.967 --> 0:12:03.887 of those conventions, which is ironic her saying, you know, 0:12:03.967 --> 0:12:07.087 the nude body's fine when her husband is so sexist 0:12:07.087 --> 0:12:08.487 and well at all women. 0:12:08.487 --> 0:12:10.407 I'm not sure that all his far right bodies would 0:12:10.447 --> 0:12:10.847 agree that. 0:12:11.127 --> 0:12:15.087 Yeah, but if you've read Michelle Obama's book, The First 0:12:15.247 --> 0:12:18.767 First Lady of Color, what she had to do and 0:12:19.007 --> 0:12:22.007 what she had to not do, like the tiny, tiny, 0:12:22.127 --> 0:12:26.047 tiny little space that she had, she couldn't say this, 0:12:26.207 --> 0:12:28.287 she couldn't be that, she couldn't do this, she couldn't 0:12:28.287 --> 0:12:30.007 show her arm. She had to wear a hair like this, 0:12:30.367 --> 0:12:33.287 couldn't raise her voice, all of these things, and I 0:12:33.287 --> 0:12:35.367 guess the same qulb we said for Barack Obama compared 0:12:35.407 --> 0:12:39.887 to Donald Trump as the first black couple. Compared to them, 0:12:40.127 --> 0:12:43.687 it's just not fair, like the double standards are just yeah. 0:12:43.687 --> 0:12:46.807 But again, it's strange because you know the thing that 0:12:46.927 --> 0:12:49.607 is interesting about if this is a strategy to use 0:12:49.687 --> 0:12:52.447 Milania to remind everybody that Trump has a wife and 0:12:52.447 --> 0:12:54.687 a family, I don't know that that's really what this does. 0:12:54.927 --> 0:12:57.807 Like these very stark black and white talking to the 0:12:57.807 --> 0:13:01.447 camera about things like that relatable the videos I've watched. 0:13:01.567 --> 0:13:04.687 It's everything from that time I renovated the rose garden 0:13:04.767 --> 0:13:07.487 in a white house to how the election was stolen, 0:13:07.847 --> 0:13:10.247 to the very important role I've played in this thing, 0:13:10.327 --> 0:13:12.127 that thing to nude photos like they're. 0:13:12.287 --> 0:13:14.167 They're not saying I love Donald and I love sitting 0:13:14.167 --> 0:13:15.207 next to him on the couch. 0:13:15.327 --> 0:13:19.167 It's interesting because I don't know that necessarily, given Trump's 0:13:19.167 --> 0:13:22.487 position on race that he's been stoking hard lately, that 0:13:22.647 --> 0:13:25.447 it is that great for his base to be reminded, 0:13:25.447 --> 0:13:27.727 Because you know, you very rarely see Millennia's speak, right, 0:13:27.767 --> 0:13:30.127 so when you do like like other women who you 0:13:30.127 --> 0:13:31.967 don't see talk very often, like Kate Moss. You were 0:13:31.967 --> 0:13:34.887 saying on Friday, Mia that when you do see her talk, 0:13:34.927 --> 0:13:36.327 it's a bit of a jolt because you're like, oh, 0:13:36.327 --> 0:13:39.287 that's right. And she's from Slovenia, so she has an accent. 0:13:39.327 --> 0:13:41.847 And I wonder if the Trump's base that's probably not 0:13:41.887 --> 0:13:42.447 a good thing. 0:13:42.687 --> 0:13:46.407 But it's not like Trump and his team are going 0:13:46.447 --> 0:13:48.927 to be surprised that millani are. Oh, no, of How's 0:13:49.167 --> 0:13:51.127 And I think it's worth noting as well that Donald 0:13:51.127 --> 0:13:52.847 Trump has said he hasn't had time to read it. 0:13:54.007 --> 0:13:55.807 He hasn't had time to read it, but he says 0:13:55.887 --> 0:13:57.927 you should read it unless they are bad things about 0:13:57.927 --> 0:14:00.647 me in it, And then don't I see it as 0:14:00.967 --> 0:14:03.447 positioning Millennia because there's got a big strategy behind this. 0:14:03.647 --> 0:14:05.887 I'm sorry, but you're not getting a book written by Milania. 0:14:05.927 --> 0:14:07.007 It's an always. 0:14:06.687 --> 0:14:10.807 Strategy, but you don't sell published. Do you remember when 0:14:10.807 --> 0:14:13.407 she wore that jacket and it said frankly, I don't 0:14:13.527 --> 0:14:15.967 care or yeah, whatever it was when she was going 0:14:16.007 --> 0:14:19.007 to the border to see the kids in the cages. 0:14:19.087 --> 0:14:21.527 But she said, and I'm trying to take this from 0:14:21.567 --> 0:14:24.967 like a perspective of a Republican or someone who supports 0:14:24.967 --> 0:14:26.927 his family, because let's not forget half of Americans do. 0:14:27.487 --> 0:14:31.647 She said that message was for all the media criticizing her, 0:14:31.687 --> 0:14:33.847 and she took the jacket off before she saw the children, 0:14:33.887 --> 0:14:35.887 and that was a way to signal to the media. 0:14:35.927 --> 0:14:39.887 And she also the most human I've ever heard Millania sound. 0:14:40.047 --> 0:14:41.887 And I don't mean in any way the way she speaks, 0:14:41.887 --> 0:14:44.367 but in terms of what she's saying. Is in the 0:14:44.487 --> 0:14:46.967 leaked phone call that we referenced earlier where she said, 0:14:47.087 --> 0:14:49.847 who gives a fuck about Christmas? She was complaining about 0:14:49.847 --> 0:14:51.887 the criticism that she gets in the media, and she 0:14:51.927 --> 0:14:54.287 did sound like an actual human being, and she was saying, 0:14:54.287 --> 0:14:56.687 they don't care what I think about those children, They 0:14:56.687 --> 0:14:58.287 don't care about this, or that they want me to 0:14:58.327 --> 0:14:59.767 give it into you Fox. I don't want to give 0:14:59.767 --> 0:15:02.447 an interview to Fox like she. I think that Millennia 0:15:02.567 --> 0:15:05.687 is much harder to manage and handle and put in 0:15:05.687 --> 0:15:08.127 a neat little box for Trump than a lot of 0:15:08.167 --> 0:15:08.887 other first ladies. 0:15:08.927 --> 0:15:10.807 See. I think that when they came up with a plan, 0:15:10.887 --> 0:15:13.767 and they came up with what Trump's campaign would look like, 0:15:13.967 --> 0:15:15.847 this was part of the strategy. This was very much 0:15:15.887 --> 0:15:18.647 part of the strategy, and there were things that are 0:15:18.727 --> 0:15:21.607 intentionally like for example, the framing of Millennia as a 0:15:21.647 --> 0:15:24.007 mother and her talking about loving motherhood, Like I think 0:15:24.047 --> 0:15:25.287 that's important for a first lady. 0:15:25.487 --> 0:15:27.927 Is the selling of ornaments and jewelry fit into that? 0:15:28.527 --> 0:15:31.487 Oh well, I guess it's Is it grift or is 0:15:31.527 --> 0:15:34.807 it like think, well, it's not raising money for anyone, 0:15:34.967 --> 0:15:36.247 like if it's not a lot. 0:15:36.167 --> 0:15:38.527 Of people release books, so they're not raising money. 0:15:38.727 --> 0:15:41.047 I mean the Christmas ornaments, like the Christmas ornaments is 0:15:41.087 --> 0:15:44.007 pure grift. But what I love about Milania the only 0:15:44.087 --> 0:15:46.687 thing is that she's been quite quitting since before that 0:15:46.767 --> 0:15:49.847 was even a thing. Yes, she's been quite quitting her 0:15:49.927 --> 0:15:52.167 role as a wife. She hates all this stuff, quite 0:15:52.287 --> 0:15:55.487 quit as a first lady, like pretty much the only 0:15:55.527 --> 0:15:58.967 achievement she had was redesigning the Rose Garden and her 0:15:59.087 --> 0:16:03.007 be Best campaign, which actually no one could understand what 0:16:03.087 --> 0:16:05.927 it was for and what it meant. So I think 0:16:05.967 --> 0:16:08.607 by all objective measures, she was pretty ineffective first lady, 0:16:08.647 --> 0:16:12.327 And yet everyone expected her to split with him after 0:16:13.287 --> 0:16:15.487 they left the White House. That's why I find she 0:16:15.607 --> 0:16:17.727 didn't so she obviously signed on for a. 0:16:17.647 --> 0:16:21.007 New isn't very quiet quitting of her. This is a 0:16:21.087 --> 0:16:23.287 nice Again. 0:16:23.487 --> 0:16:25.607 I don't think it's good strategy to have the first 0:16:25.687 --> 0:16:27.927 Lady release a book one month before the election. I 0:16:27.967 --> 0:16:30.287 think you wait for that because it could be depending 0:16:30.327 --> 0:16:31.927 what was in that book. And there isn't going to 0:16:31.927 --> 0:16:34.287 be anything silatious in the book, apart from the nude photos, 0:16:34.287 --> 0:16:36.687 which will be fun. If there was anything slacious in it. 0:16:36.687 --> 0:16:39.127 It pulls focus. It's distracting. Da da da da da, 0:16:39.167 --> 0:16:42.567 like in a conventional campaign, that would all come later, 0:16:42.727 --> 0:16:45.367 Like you don't want that to happen. This is what 0:16:45.407 --> 0:16:47.767 I mean about them, is that they just do these 0:16:47.807 --> 0:16:51.207 crazy things. And I think that Milania my read on 0:16:51.287 --> 0:16:54.727 her as always reading and watching things about supermodels and 0:16:54.767 --> 0:16:57.127 all that, and that era of time when she started 0:16:57.207 --> 0:17:00.167 dating Trump and married Trump. I don't think this is 0:17:00.167 --> 0:17:02.647 what she ever signed up for. Right she thought, I'm 0:17:02.647 --> 0:17:04.487 marrying a rich dude. I'm going to get to live 0:17:04.487 --> 0:17:07.127 in my fancy house in New York and have my 0:17:07.207 --> 0:17:11.247 child and just basically be a rich lady in New York. 0:17:11.367 --> 0:17:13.087 She didn't sign up for any of this, and you 0:17:13.167 --> 0:17:15.847 can tell how much she hates it all the time, 0:17:15.887 --> 0:17:17.687 and I don't know, I find that kind of appealing 0:17:17.967 --> 0:17:18.487 out louders. 0:17:18.527 --> 0:17:20.207 If you want to stay up to date with what's 0:17:20.207 --> 0:17:22.407 happening in the US, there's two types of people, the 0:17:22.407 --> 0:17:25.767 ones who are living for election coverage and the ones 0:17:25.927 --> 0:17:28.367 who do not want to hear a word of it. 0:17:28.967 --> 0:17:30.887 Now it's a great time to become a subscriber because 0:17:30.887 --> 0:17:33.087 every week we've been inviting friend of the poet to 0:17:33.127 --> 0:17:36.487 the incredibly knowledgeable Amelia lest onto the show to unpack 0:17:36.567 --> 0:17:39.487 everything in US politics. I could listen to her for days. 0:17:39.887 --> 0:17:41.887 You can listen to all of those episodes. There'll be 0:17:41.927 --> 0:17:44.007 another one coming this week via the link in our 0:17:44.047 --> 0:17:44.967 show notes. 0:17:46.167 --> 0:17:50.367 The challenges and rewards of motherhood, from sleepless nights to 0:17:50.527 --> 0:17:56.647 joyful milestones, bring immense fulfillment which only a mother understands. 0:17:56.927 --> 0:18:01.647 Hell yoga boobs, fashion boobs, the desire for a bra 0:18:01.767 --> 0:18:05.007 la summer. According to The New York Times, small breaths 0:18:05.127 --> 0:18:07.887 have newfound power and they are all the rage in 0:18:07.927 --> 0:18:11.687 the clinics of cosmetics surgents in the US, the biggest 0:18:11.727 --> 0:18:14.487 increase in people who are getting breast reductions is in 0:18:14.527 --> 0:18:19.127 women under thirty, but this rise isn't just happening overseas. 0:18:19.447 --> 0:18:22.367 Last year, it was reported that breast reductions in Australia 0:18:22.567 --> 0:18:25.807 had tripled over the three years before, and there has 0:18:25.847 --> 0:18:29.047 been a push to make the surgery more accessible through Medicare. 0:18:29.607 --> 0:18:31.727 I believe it covers some of the surgery, that's if 0:18:31.727 --> 0:18:34.887 it's causing other health issues, but there's still a considerable gap. 0:18:35.287 --> 0:18:38.047 The New York Times reports that patients used to ask 0:18:38.167 --> 0:18:40.007 for sea cups. With reduction, it was like, I want 0:18:40.047 --> 0:18:42.447 my sea cup, and now they're more likely to request 0:18:42.527 --> 0:18:46.767 a B cup. Many of the patients are young, postpartum mothers. 0:18:47.407 --> 0:18:51.487 The writer Lisa Miller concludes to decide to reduce them, 0:18:51.567 --> 0:18:54.127 to make them lighter, smaller, easier to carry and cover, 0:18:54.287 --> 0:18:56.607 more discreet, can be seen as an act of self 0:18:56.647 --> 0:19:00.807 love and empowerment, a woman's prioritization finally, of her own 0:19:00.887 --> 0:19:05.647 comfort and independence over what others have traditionally found sexy. 0:19:05.767 --> 0:19:07.647 She writes that on the other hand, it can be 0:19:07.687 --> 0:19:11.007 interpreted as self loathing, an agreement with a sexist culture 0:19:11.007 --> 0:19:14.367 that can also regard larger breasts that aren't youthfully round 0:19:14.407 --> 0:19:20.287 and upright as repulsive, droopy, flabby, jiggly, hard, to contain, Holly, 0:19:21.047 --> 0:19:23.687 why do you think that small breasts everywhere? 0:19:24.287 --> 0:19:26.807 Don't you just love it when it's arbitrarily decided that 0:19:26.847 --> 0:19:27.887 parts of our bodies are. 0:19:27.767 --> 0:19:30.367 Out of fashion. Yeah, it just happens all the time. 0:19:30.447 --> 0:19:32.647 Just deal with that. Those boobs are not on trend. 0:19:32.887 --> 0:19:36.167 Sort them out, won't you. But if we are accepting 0:19:36.207 --> 0:19:38.647 the fact that there are body trends and that women 0:19:38.807 --> 0:19:41.647 are adhering to them, I reckon this fits with two 0:19:41.687 --> 0:19:43.367 trends at the moment. The fact that younger women in 0:19:43.407 --> 0:19:47.207 particular want smaller boobs, a move away from the Kardashian 0:19:47.247 --> 0:19:49.167 body and all the things that come along with that, 0:19:49.327 --> 0:19:51.607 the curves. You know, we've seen it a lot on 0:19:51.727 --> 0:19:54.247 red carpets, and we've seen it in that we're kind 0:19:54.247 --> 0:19:59.487 of moving back culturally towards the skinny size zero aesthetic aesthetic, 0:20:00.087 --> 0:20:05.287 and that's much cooler and then possibly a little more positively, 0:20:05.847 --> 0:20:08.767 I'd say, the other trend is women giving fewer f's 0:20:08.767 --> 0:20:11.527 about them. We've talked a lot about how all the 0:20:11.607 --> 0:20:14.807 cool artists are young females at the minute, and Chapel 0:20:14.847 --> 0:20:16.687 Rohane has this song where she talks about her type 0:20:16.687 --> 0:20:18.807 and she's like, no long hair, no bra, and you. 0:20:18.767 --> 0:20:20.367 Know exactly what she means. 0:20:20.807 --> 0:20:25.407 There is a cool girl vibe that is very no 0:20:25.527 --> 0:20:29.647