1 00:00:11,104 --> 00:00:11,424 Speaker 1: So much. 2 00:00:11,464 --> 00:00:16,064 Speaker 2: You're listening to a Mamma Mia podcast. Mamma Mia acknowledges 3 00:00:16,144 --> 00:00:19,624 Speaker 2: the traditional owners of land and borders that this podcast 4 00:00:19,704 --> 00:00:27,144 Speaker 2: is recorded on From Mamma Mia. Welcome to the Spill, 5 00:00:27,184 --> 00:00:30,424 Speaker 2: your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura Brodnick. 6 00:00:30,224 --> 00:00:33,424 Speaker 3: And I'm ashlandon Hello My Darling, Hello, am My Darling. 7 00:00:33,904 --> 00:00:36,984 Speaker 2: And on the show today, our world has been rocked 8 00:00:37,024 --> 00:00:40,744 Speaker 2: by the real story behind an iconic celebrity photo. I 9 00:00:40,784 --> 00:00:43,624 Speaker 2: can't talk about it. I'm taking a personal day after this. Also, 10 00:00:43,864 --> 00:00:46,304 Speaker 2: a new Netflix show has been announced and it's based 11 00:00:46,344 --> 00:00:48,944 Speaker 2: on a very juicy Australian true story. So we're going 12 00:00:48,944 --> 00:00:51,504 Speaker 2: to get into that. But first, Ash London, you have 13 00:00:51,584 --> 00:00:53,504 Speaker 2: something that you are desperate to talk about. 14 00:00:53,864 --> 00:00:56,224 Speaker 3: Well, I'm just so excited for Sabrina Carpenter and I 15 00:00:56,264 --> 00:00:58,504 Speaker 3: know that we've discussed it before on this podcast, and 16 00:00:58,544 --> 00:01:00,384 Speaker 3: the kind of rise and rise and the fact that 17 00:01:00,384 --> 00:01:02,664 Speaker 3: she's always been around and it just keeps getting bigger 18 00:01:02,664 --> 00:01:04,464 Speaker 3: and better for her and the last year has been epic, 19 00:01:04,864 --> 00:01:06,544 Speaker 3: but I'm going to say the last week has been 20 00:01:06,704 --> 00:01:09,864 Speaker 3: the most epic. Obviously, six Grammy was the six Grammy 21 00:01:09,864 --> 00:01:12,824 Speaker 3: Love My mom Nations. Yeah, a lot of Grammy nomination 22 00:01:13,264 --> 00:01:16,224 Speaker 3: Album of the Record of the Best New Artist. Hilarious. 23 00:01:16,384 --> 00:01:19,664 Speaker 3: But she had her show in La last night, And 24 00:01:19,864 --> 00:01:22,744 Speaker 3: I don't know all about you, but I feel like my 25 00:01:22,864 --> 00:01:27,264 Speaker 3: socials were just full of like legit celebrities attending the show, 26 00:01:27,304 --> 00:01:30,464 Speaker 3: like not C gray D grade celebrities, but like top 27 00:01:30,544 --> 00:01:34,784 Speaker 3: tier grade A. We're talking Kendall Jenner, Hailey Bieber, Katie 28 00:01:34,824 --> 00:01:37,344 Speaker 3: Perry and her ex John Mayer. Like John Mayer is 29 00:01:37,344 --> 00:01:40,344 Speaker 3: a legitimate musician and he's attending the Sabrina carpet to show, 30 00:01:40,504 --> 00:01:41,904 Speaker 3: probably because he wants to bang her. 31 00:01:42,064 --> 00:01:44,384 Speaker 2: Let's I'm sure might should I be a bit told 32 00:01:44,384 --> 00:01:44,744 Speaker 2: from now? 33 00:01:44,744 --> 00:01:49,704 Speaker 1: She's twenty five, very very true, Carra Delavine, Sarah Michelle, Gella, 34 00:01:50,104 --> 00:01:54,344 Speaker 1: Noah Cyrus, even Blue Ivy as in like Beyonce's spawn, 35 00:01:55,064 --> 00:01:57,184 Speaker 1: and she had like little kisses all over her that 36 00:01:57,264 --> 00:01:58,624 Speaker 1: she'd put on, like so. 37 00:01:58,824 --> 00:02:01,784 Speaker 2: Cute, nervous to perform in front of Blue Ivy like 38 00:02:01,824 --> 00:02:04,704 Speaker 2: the rest of them. Yes, but that girl's opinion matters 39 00:02:04,744 --> 00:02:05,384 Speaker 2: so much to me. 40 00:02:05,744 --> 00:02:07,624 Speaker 3: She's top tier because you know, she's going home and 41 00:02:07,624 --> 00:02:10,304 Speaker 3: giving a full report to Beyonce as to like how 42 00:02:10,504 --> 00:02:12,824 Speaker 3: legit the show was. But I just think it's so 43 00:02:13,264 --> 00:02:17,864 Speaker 3: wild that Sabrina has become like a legitimate force in 44 00:02:18,024 --> 00:02:20,864 Speaker 3: music now. It just shows that like anything can happen 45 00:02:20,904 --> 00:02:21,504 Speaker 3: in this biers. 46 00:02:22,144 --> 00:02:24,024 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, and so much of it I think comes 47 00:02:24,064 --> 00:02:26,184 Speaker 2: down to, I mean, having like a real banger song. 48 00:02:26,224 --> 00:02:27,704 Speaker 2: But also she was kind of on the up and 49 00:02:27,744 --> 00:02:29,664 Speaker 2: up even before Espresso came out, but I think that 50 00:02:29,704 --> 00:02:32,184 Speaker 2: really solidified her. But also, as you said before on 51 00:02:32,224 --> 00:02:35,104 Speaker 2: this pod, like the branding is so good that like 52 00:02:35,184 --> 00:02:38,424 Speaker 2: kind of sexy little baby doll thing that she's got 53 00:02:38,424 --> 00:02:40,544 Speaker 2: going on. It feels like it should be regressive, but 54 00:02:40,624 --> 00:02:43,544 Speaker 2: I think people just so desperate for like silly escapism 55 00:02:43,904 --> 00:02:46,464 Speaker 2: through pop music that they want that. And I think 56 00:02:46,504 --> 00:02:48,544 Speaker 2: she's got this persona now. A lot of people talk 57 00:02:48,584 --> 00:02:50,584 Speaker 2: about like someone like Chapel Orone having this like alter 58 00:02:50,704 --> 00:02:53,704 Speaker 2: ego persona, but I think, yeah, Sabrina Carpenter has it 59 00:02:53,784 --> 00:02:56,584 Speaker 2: as well. She's created this new alter ego for herself 60 00:02:56,584 --> 00:02:59,584 Speaker 2: that's not like the cutesy Disney kid or the actress 61 00:02:59,584 --> 00:03:02,184 Speaker 2: who was like on Disney and then always the supporting 62 00:03:02,264 --> 00:03:04,664 Speaker 2: character in TV show. Is now she's just like the 63 00:03:04,744 --> 00:03:09,104 Speaker 2: star because she's become this like sexy Marilyn Monroe yeah, almost. 64 00:03:09,384 --> 00:03:11,944 Speaker 3: It's kind of the same way that Marley Cyrus did it, 65 00:03:12,104 --> 00:03:14,624 Speaker 3: but it's like a little different in that she's got 66 00:03:14,624 --> 00:03:17,784 Speaker 3: that kind of deep voice weirdly, which helps because it's 67 00:03:17,784 --> 00:03:20,384 Speaker 3: like she looks like this little baby girl, and if 68 00:03:20,424 --> 00:03:22,744 Speaker 3: she had that kind of sweet, little high pitched, very 69 00:03:22,824 --> 00:03:25,824 Speaker 3: kind of like infantile thing going, it would be creepy. 70 00:03:26,144 --> 00:03:28,944 Speaker 3: But she's got like a dirty sense of humor. She's 71 00:03:28,944 --> 00:03:33,024 Speaker 3: got a deep voice. She's very smart. It's very obvious 72 00:03:33,184 --> 00:03:36,944 Speaker 3: she's very in control of this whole narrative. So it 73 00:03:37,024 --> 00:03:39,304 Speaker 3: kind of works perfectly. And I just think the fact 74 00:03:39,344 --> 00:03:41,544 Speaker 3: that the album is called Short and Sweet is like 75 00:03:42,304 --> 00:03:46,784 Speaker 3: so perfect, Like it's just it's pr and marketing dream. 76 00:03:47,024 --> 00:03:49,704 Speaker 3: But we should note that she was nominated for Best 77 00:03:49,744 --> 00:03:52,144 Speaker 3: New Artist. She's put out six albums. I think we 78 00:03:52,184 --> 00:03:54,744 Speaker 3: should just share some of the audio of her. If 79 00:03:54,744 --> 00:03:57,104 Speaker 3: you haven't seen it before, go to her Instagram and 80 00:03:57,184 --> 00:04:00,144 Speaker 3: watch this. It's just a supercut of her on her 81 00:04:00,184 --> 00:04:03,944 Speaker 3: tool bus, screaming in a bed with her team about 82 00:04:03,984 --> 00:04:06,624 Speaker 3: every nomination reaction, but this one is when she was 83 00:04:06,624 --> 00:04:24,344 Speaker 3: announced for Best New Artist. My yeah, best old Artist. 84 00:04:24,424 --> 00:04:26,464 Speaker 3: She's like, come on, guys, I'm touched, But come on, 85 00:04:26,624 --> 00:04:29,944 Speaker 3: like it's kind of offensive. It kind of like downplays everything. 86 00:04:30,144 --> 00:04:32,304 Speaker 2: So to be nominated for that category, do you have 87 00:04:32,384 --> 00:04:34,504 Speaker 2: to have sold a certain number of records. 88 00:04:34,704 --> 00:04:36,264 Speaker 3: I'm so glad you asked, because I went onto the 89 00:04:36,304 --> 00:04:38,464 Speaker 3: website to find out because I also did not know, 90 00:04:38,544 --> 00:04:39,904 Speaker 3: and I'm just going to read the answer to you. So, 91 00:04:40,264 --> 00:04:44,624 Speaker 3: eligible artists must have achieved a breakthrough into the public consciousness. 92 00:04:44,664 --> 00:04:47,944 Speaker 3: How do you measure that and impacted the musical landscape 93 00:04:48,024 --> 00:04:50,624 Speaker 3: during the year's eligibility periods. That's kind of a bit 94 00:04:50,784 --> 00:04:54,704 Speaker 3: like broad. But then the minimum release is required for 95 00:04:54,784 --> 00:04:57,984 Speaker 3: five singles or tracks or a complete album in the year, 96 00:04:58,144 --> 00:05:00,384 Speaker 3: so and the maximum is three albums or a total 97 00:05:00,424 --> 00:05:03,664 Speaker 3: of thirty singles or tracks previously released, which I think 98 00:05:03,904 --> 00:05:07,504 Speaker 3: I feel like Sabrina has like surpassed. But whatever, if 99 00:05:07,504 --> 00:05:10,904 Speaker 3: they let her do it, she's obviously eligible, more power 100 00:05:10,944 --> 00:05:11,304 Speaker 3: to her. 101 00:05:11,664 --> 00:05:13,944 Speaker 2: It would feel like a lot when you've released so 102 00:05:14,024 --> 00:05:17,224 Speaker 2: many albums and you've been touring for years to have 103 00:05:17,264 --> 00:05:19,584 Speaker 2: all these other big accolades that she's got. But also 104 00:05:19,664 --> 00:05:22,664 Speaker 2: be like, welcome this new kid on the block, Sabrina Cassander, Like, 105 00:05:22,784 --> 00:05:24,824 Speaker 2: I'm sure she's happy to have the nomination and those 106 00:05:24,904 --> 00:05:27,824 Speaker 2: videos of her just like absolutely sobbing in her tour 107 00:05:27,904 --> 00:05:30,144 Speaker 2: bus are very very cute. But I think that one 108 00:05:30,184 --> 00:05:32,544 Speaker 2: would be a bit like be happy to be left 109 00:05:32,544 --> 00:05:33,344 Speaker 2: out of that category. 110 00:05:33,384 --> 00:05:35,864 Speaker 3: But there is a bit of a curse that often 111 00:05:35,904 --> 00:05:38,184 Speaker 3: the best new artists kind of don't then go on 112 00:05:38,224 --> 00:05:40,544 Speaker 3: to achieve great thing. But she's already achieved great thing. 113 00:05:40,704 --> 00:05:43,304 Speaker 3: She needs like a maybe a song nomination or a 114 00:05:43,304 --> 00:05:45,944 Speaker 3: song will we legitimize her? But she's fine, She's going 115 00:05:46,024 --> 00:05:48,064 Speaker 3: to be fine. I think I think our girl, Sabrina 116 00:05:48,224 --> 00:05:49,904 Speaker 3: she cool. 117 00:05:50,784 --> 00:05:53,424 Speaker 2: So this morning I came across a piece of news, 118 00:05:53,424 --> 00:05:55,984 Speaker 2: so I'm going to say, rocked me to my core 119 00:05:56,184 --> 00:05:58,624 Speaker 2: and really maybe a question everything I know about the 120 00:05:58,664 --> 00:06:02,064 Speaker 2: world and the worst thing is in my heart. I 121 00:06:02,104 --> 00:06:05,144 Speaker 2: had known it for a long time. So Nicole Kidman, 122 00:06:05,224 --> 00:06:07,944 Speaker 2: who is on the publicity path at the moment, I 123 00:06:07,944 --> 00:06:08,744 Speaker 2: thought you were about to. 124 00:06:08,744 --> 00:06:11,784 Speaker 3: Just explain, and Nicole Kidman was, You're like, Nicole Kidman, 125 00:06:11,944 --> 00:06:15,104 Speaker 3: who is like I imagine? 126 00:06:15,184 --> 00:06:16,704 Speaker 2: I was like, So, she's a stay an actress. She 127 00:06:16,704 --> 00:06:18,784 Speaker 2: started off in a movie called BMX Bandits, and she 128 00:06:18,824 --> 00:06:21,064 Speaker 2: went onto me and I just do a whole history 129 00:06:21,064 --> 00:06:23,544 Speaker 2: of Nicole Kidman. I think I could actually Yeah. 130 00:06:23,544 --> 00:06:25,064 Speaker 3: I mean the fact that you knew she started in 131 00:06:25,104 --> 00:06:27,184 Speaker 3: bex Bat. I think he's very, very impressive. 132 00:06:27,464 --> 00:06:29,464 Speaker 2: I'm a fangirl of that woman. I was once at 133 00:06:29,504 --> 00:06:31,464 Speaker 2: a party and she was like standing next to me 134 00:06:31,544 --> 00:06:34,184 Speaker 2: at the drinks table and she was like, oh, do 135 00:06:34,224 --> 00:06:35,904 Speaker 2: you want a gin? Everyone's having a gin and she 136 00:06:35,984 --> 00:06:37,424 Speaker 2: was just so airy fairy, and she ordered me a 137 00:06:37,464 --> 00:06:39,344 Speaker 2: gin and then she just floated away into the party. 138 00:06:39,624 --> 00:06:41,304 Speaker 2: And I met her a few times since, but that 139 00:06:41,424 --> 00:06:43,144 Speaker 2: is my that's my favorite memory of her as a 140 00:06:43,144 --> 00:06:47,344 Speaker 2: little gin fairy. Anyway, Nicole Kidman is on the publicity 141 00:06:47,344 --> 00:06:50,584 Speaker 2: trail for her new movie, Baby Girl, which we talked 142 00:06:50,584 --> 00:06:52,504 Speaker 2: about a lot, because every time that woman opens her 143 00:06:52,504 --> 00:06:54,344 Speaker 2: mouth at the moment she's just doing the best job 144 00:06:54,384 --> 00:06:57,184 Speaker 2: of promoting this movie, she drops a little tidbit that 145 00:06:57,304 --> 00:07:00,624 Speaker 2: then goes on to like make viral headlines. So she 146 00:07:00,744 --> 00:07:03,424 Speaker 2: was speaking to British GQ for their Men of the 147 00:07:03,504 --> 00:07:05,864 Speaker 2: Year cover story because she's involved in that, and they 148 00:07:05,904 --> 00:07:09,064 Speaker 2: brought up this very iconic photo of her that was 149 00:07:09,144 --> 00:07:12,344 Speaker 2: allegedly taken into thousand and one just after she had 150 00:07:12,384 --> 00:07:16,344 Speaker 2: finalized her very long and very stressful divorce from Tom 151 00:07:16,424 --> 00:07:18,984 Speaker 2: Cruise and The reason this photo has been in the 152 00:07:19,024 --> 00:07:22,704 Speaker 2: news cycle recently is that Jenna Dowan recently finalized her 153 00:07:22,944 --> 00:07:26,144 Speaker 2: very long and very stressful divorce from Channing Tatum, and 154 00:07:26,184 --> 00:07:30,384 Speaker 2: she posted that photo of Nicole Kidman seemingly coming out 155 00:07:30,384 --> 00:07:33,224 Speaker 2: of this divorced me yes, looking so you know, free 156 00:07:33,264 --> 00:07:36,024 Speaker 2: and happy, and that photo has very much become the 157 00:07:36,104 --> 00:07:39,264 Speaker 2: universal signal for not just Eman getting divorced, but like 158 00:07:39,504 --> 00:07:41,264 Speaker 2: it's becoming short, Like you don't have to put any 159 00:07:41,264 --> 00:07:43,184 Speaker 2: words around it. You just show someone that photo and 160 00:07:43,224 --> 00:07:46,024 Speaker 2: it's a symbol of like a woman taking their power back, 161 00:07:46,064 --> 00:07:49,464 Speaker 2: a woman like being released from a man. Yeah, breaking free, 162 00:07:49,584 --> 00:07:52,864 Speaker 2: like just pure joy. And she shared that Jenna Dowan, 163 00:07:52,944 --> 00:07:55,504 Speaker 2: everyone was going crazy for it. It went viral and 164 00:07:55,664 --> 00:07:58,544 Speaker 2: in this interview they asked her about the photo and 165 00:07:58,664 --> 00:08:00,184 Speaker 2: was like, you know, what was your what is your 166 00:08:00,184 --> 00:08:03,744 Speaker 2: response to this photo being resurfaced, this iconic photo, And 167 00:08:03,784 --> 00:08:06,464 Speaker 2: then they also asked her to explain the story, and 168 00:08:06,544 --> 00:08:10,624 Speaker 2: Nicole Kidman shattered dreams by saying that's not true. She like, 169 00:08:10,784 --> 00:08:13,264 Speaker 2: that was not me, so it is actually her. When 170 00:08:13,264 --> 00:08:14,544 Speaker 2: she said that, I was like, wait, is that doesn't 171 00:08:14,544 --> 00:08:15,464 Speaker 2: call him in stunt double. 172 00:08:15,504 --> 00:08:18,744 Speaker 3: We've been tricked some Ai like old school age. 173 00:08:18,864 --> 00:08:19,944 Speaker 2: That's from the truth. 174 00:08:20,424 --> 00:08:22,344 Speaker 3: Oh gosh, so much disappointment to come for us. 175 00:08:22,384 --> 00:08:24,544 Speaker 2: So it is her, but it's a still from a film, 176 00:08:24,584 --> 00:08:26,584 Speaker 2: and she couldn't even name which film or she didn't 177 00:08:26,584 --> 00:08:28,544 Speaker 2: want to divult and I looked everywhere and I couldn't 178 00:08:28,544 --> 00:08:30,184 Speaker 2: find it. So as we know, like a lot of 179 00:08:30,224 --> 00:08:31,824 Speaker 2: different scenes are shot for movies and a lot of 180 00:08:31,864 --> 00:08:33,904 Speaker 2: them end up on the cutting room for true So 181 00:08:33,984 --> 00:08:36,544 Speaker 2: it's a still from a movie. It wasn't real life. 182 00:08:36,784 --> 00:08:39,704 Speaker 2: But she said she's very aware of the story behind 183 00:08:39,784 --> 00:08:42,104 Speaker 2: it and that it gets shared around. But she just said, 184 00:08:42,184 --> 00:08:45,304 Speaker 2: like that photo of her in the green capri and 185 00:08:45,344 --> 00:08:48,464 Speaker 2: the sneakers throwing a hair back is nothing to do 186 00:08:48,504 --> 00:08:52,224 Speaker 2: with her divorce, and oh, dreams have been shattered. 187 00:08:52,824 --> 00:08:55,264 Speaker 3: We need to have a funeral. We need to be 188 00:08:55,384 --> 00:08:58,384 Speaker 3: given the space to warn because you're absolutely right, like 189 00:08:58,424 --> 00:09:02,304 Speaker 3: it's it is an iconic, iconic photo, and when you 190 00:09:02,344 --> 00:09:04,944 Speaker 3: look at it, you feel her joy. Yeah, like you 191 00:09:04,984 --> 00:09:07,184 Speaker 3: feel it. And I'm surprised that's taken her this long. 192 00:09:07,424 --> 00:09:09,904 Speaker 3: And I know she keeps her personal life very private. 193 00:09:10,584 --> 00:09:13,904 Speaker 3: Comments on the divorces and she keeps it all private. YadA, YadA, YadA, 194 00:09:13,944 --> 00:09:16,584 Speaker 3: but you think if a full blown meme had come 195 00:09:16,624 --> 00:09:21,704 Speaker 3: out about this, someone somewhere, whether it's like the director 196 00:09:21,824 --> 00:09:24,104 Speaker 3: or someone who worked on the film or Nick herself, 197 00:09:24,304 --> 00:09:26,384 Speaker 3: would have like put a stop to it. By now, 198 00:09:26,464 --> 00:09:29,464 Speaker 3: maybe they are enjoying it, maybe she's lying and it 199 00:09:29,584 --> 00:09:30,224 Speaker 3: really was. 200 00:09:30,344 --> 00:09:34,024 Speaker 2: Can you imagine arazzi photo, like someone do that investigation? 201 00:09:34,064 --> 00:09:35,784 Speaker 2: Where's the New York Times when you need them? But 202 00:09:36,024 --> 00:09:38,344 Speaker 2: the thing exactly, the thing that I don't want to admit, 203 00:09:38,424 --> 00:09:40,504 Speaker 2: but I have to say, is that in my soul 204 00:09:40,624 --> 00:09:44,224 Speaker 2: somewhere I did know this. I feel like she actually 205 00:09:44,264 --> 00:09:46,944 Speaker 2: has said this before or that has been disproven before. 206 00:09:47,144 --> 00:09:50,024 Speaker 2: But because the photo has become like has had its 207 00:09:50,024 --> 00:09:52,944 Speaker 2: own pop culture moment over the years, the story about 208 00:09:52,984 --> 00:09:56,024 Speaker 2: it being not true just really couldn't penetrate the level 209 00:09:56,024 --> 00:09:57,984 Speaker 2: it was at until Nicole kim And did a cover 210 00:09:58,064 --> 00:10:00,304 Speaker 2: story and talked about it. 211 00:10:00,304 --> 00:10:02,264 Speaker 3: It's almost like the photo of I want to say, 212 00:10:02,304 --> 00:10:06,304 Speaker 3: like an Orlando bloom naked on the Canoe Act. Think 213 00:10:06,304 --> 00:10:09,704 Speaker 3: it's that level of like we can all picture the photo. 214 00:10:10,464 --> 00:10:13,744 Speaker 3: I mean, it doesn't have the same kind of level relevancy. 215 00:10:13,784 --> 00:10:15,464 Speaker 2: I don't know that's it photo. 216 00:10:16,824 --> 00:10:18,984 Speaker 3: But with that it was with everyone kept talking about 217 00:10:18,984 --> 00:10:21,224 Speaker 3: how it is a massive schlong and then when you 218 00:10:21,304 --> 00:10:23,384 Speaker 3: actually look at the unsense and photo, if you do, 219 00:10:23,504 --> 00:10:26,704 Speaker 3: it's used a normal shlong Like that really worked for him, 220 00:10:26,704 --> 00:10:28,784 Speaker 3: Like that was like he's not going to be shut 221 00:10:28,944 --> 00:10:30,904 Speaker 3: that down any times. So with the Ruber is he's 222 00:10:30,944 --> 00:10:32,704 Speaker 3: got a massive slong and he's walking around with an 223 00:10:32,704 --> 00:10:35,264 Speaker 3: average long. But you're right, we all knew it was 224 00:10:35,264 --> 00:10:39,424 Speaker 3: wasn't real because we never really see that level of like, 225 00:10:39,544 --> 00:10:42,384 Speaker 3: what are the chances that as she walks out from 226 00:10:42,504 --> 00:10:46,744 Speaker 3: signing the paper in that cute outfit that like screamed 227 00:10:47,184 --> 00:10:50,944 Speaker 3: youth and relaxation with the jubileert, like, what are the 228 00:10:51,064 --> 00:10:53,944 Speaker 3: chances that a the photographer is hiding behind a bush 229 00:10:53,984 --> 00:10:58,184 Speaker 3: to capture it? Because we know that divorce was shrouded 230 00:10:58,184 --> 00:11:01,384 Speaker 3: in so much legalities and knew what was happening when 231 00:11:01,424 --> 00:11:03,864 Speaker 3: it was happening, that not only the person was there 232 00:11:03,904 --> 00:11:05,904 Speaker 3: and captured that it was at the time and they 233 00:11:05,944 --> 00:11:08,504 Speaker 3: knew and it's all we knew in our hearts, babe. 234 00:11:08,504 --> 00:11:11,264 Speaker 3: But as you said, it wasn't real, But sometimes it's 235 00:11:11,344 --> 00:11:14,304 Speaker 3: nice to believe. And hey, like what a ten out 236 00:11:14,304 --> 00:11:16,104 Speaker 3: of ten loll from Jenna like that. 237 00:11:16,144 --> 00:11:18,784 Speaker 2: Is someone, Yeah, she's uncovered a real mystery. And it's 238 00:11:18,784 --> 00:11:20,944 Speaker 2: interesting because as much as the story is going around today, 239 00:11:21,024 --> 00:11:23,544 Speaker 2: I don't think it's gonna sort of like take hold almost. 240 00:11:23,624 --> 00:11:26,224 Speaker 2: I think that most people won't sort of take on 241 00:11:26,264 --> 00:11:28,144 Speaker 2: the real story behind it, and will keep showing that 242 00:11:28,144 --> 00:11:30,864 Speaker 2: photo and it'll just live on because sometimes the story 243 00:11:30,904 --> 00:11:33,984 Speaker 2: around the photo becomes so much bigger than the actual story. 244 00:11:33,984 --> 00:11:36,664 Speaker 2: It made me think of that this photo that resurfaces 245 00:11:36,704 --> 00:11:39,624 Speaker 2: every couple of years, and then writers pitch it to 246 00:11:39,704 --> 00:11:41,424 Speaker 2: me and I have to like let them down really 247 00:11:41,464 --> 00:11:43,424 Speaker 2: gently and say, this photo is not real. I don't 248 00:11:43,424 --> 00:11:45,144 Speaker 2: know if you've seen it. It's a beautiful photo of 249 00:11:45,184 --> 00:11:48,704 Speaker 2: Meryl's Streep in her like twenties or early thirties. She's 250 00:11:48,744 --> 00:11:51,464 Speaker 2: standing on a subway in New York and someone's like 251 00:11:51,664 --> 00:11:54,944 Speaker 2: dockted it to have this quote which is seeming from her, 252 00:11:55,384 --> 00:11:57,624 Speaker 2: and she was talking about the fact that she had 253 00:11:57,664 --> 00:12:00,864 Speaker 2: just left an audition for the movie King Kong, and 254 00:12:01,264 --> 00:12:03,544 Speaker 2: she said the director told her that she was too 255 00:12:03,704 --> 00:12:05,704 Speaker 2: ugly to be in the movie. And there's this quote 256 00:12:05,744 --> 00:12:08,024 Speaker 2: from her with the photo where it's like Meryl Street 257 00:12:08,064 --> 00:12:10,824 Speaker 2: pictured leaving audition, and then she said, so you think 258 00:12:10,824 --> 00:12:12,664 Speaker 2: I'm too ugly for your film. But you're just one 259 00:12:12,784 --> 00:12:15,384 Speaker 2: opinion in a sea of thousands, and I'm off to 260 00:12:15,464 --> 00:12:18,224 Speaker 2: find a kind of tie. Today. I have eighteen Academy 261 00:12:18,224 --> 00:12:21,384 Speaker 2: Awards And that photo has gone viral so many times. 262 00:12:21,584 --> 00:12:24,464 Speaker 2: There's articles written about it, like the moment Meryl Street 263 00:12:24,504 --> 00:12:26,824 Speaker 2: was on a subway and she like made this statement 264 00:12:27,344 --> 00:12:29,744 Speaker 2: and that photo like it's a real photo of Meryl Street. 265 00:12:29,744 --> 00:12:32,064 Speaker 2: But it was taken years and years after she had 266 00:12:32,104 --> 00:12:34,304 Speaker 2: auditioned for King Kong and the movie had come out, 267 00:12:34,704 --> 00:12:36,344 Speaker 2: and she has come out and said, like, I never 268 00:12:36,384 --> 00:12:39,104 Speaker 2: said those words. She did audition for King Kong. The 269 00:12:39,184 --> 00:12:41,144 Speaker 2: director did say as she walked in the room, he 270 00:12:41,224 --> 00:12:44,744 Speaker 2: muttered under his breath, how ugly. But she didn't have 271 00:12:44,784 --> 00:12:46,184 Speaker 2: that big statement about it. 272 00:12:46,304 --> 00:12:47,864 Speaker 3: So he's still a dog. 273 00:12:48,184 --> 00:12:50,464 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's still called Meryl Streep ugly, which you know, 274 00:12:50,784 --> 00:12:52,624 Speaker 2: So the sentiment of the photo was real. But like 275 00:12:52,824 --> 00:12:54,704 Speaker 2: so many people have found comfort in that photo of 276 00:12:54,704 --> 00:12:56,704 Speaker 2: the years have shared it, Like I'm sure a lot 277 00:12:56,704 --> 00:12:58,984 Speaker 2: of people would think that that this big statement from 278 00:12:59,024 --> 00:13:01,224 Speaker 2: Meryl Streep and this moment in time of her like 279 00:13:01,584 --> 00:13:04,264 Speaker 2: writing a subway from an audition, being told that she 280 00:13:04,424 --> 00:13:06,144 Speaker 2: was like a young actress who was ugly and wasn't 281 00:13:06,144 --> 00:13:08,864 Speaker 2: good enough has looked back on that moment as a 282 00:13:09,024 --> 00:13:12,824 Speaker 2: very successful actor. We're saying, I now have eighteen Academy 283 00:13:12,864 --> 00:13:16,944 Speaker 2: Award nominations, and it's just again a story that didn't 284 00:13:16,944 --> 00:13:19,424 Speaker 2: actually happen, but because it's like the Nicole Kimmen's story, 285 00:13:19,464 --> 00:13:21,784 Speaker 2: like the sentiment behind it is what people care about, 286 00:13:21,824 --> 00:13:24,544 Speaker 2: so people remember the first getting not the real I mean, 287 00:13:24,544 --> 00:13:26,464 Speaker 2: it's a nice sentiment to have out there. I'm sure 288 00:13:26,464 --> 00:13:28,624 Speaker 2: I've a sure had thought to put out that statement. 289 00:13:28,664 --> 00:13:29,104 Speaker 2: She would have. 290 00:13:29,504 --> 00:13:32,424 Speaker 3: But the thing is, this is the future, Like with Ai, 291 00:13:32,584 --> 00:13:35,264 Speaker 3: I hate to be that person and deep fates and 292 00:13:35,344 --> 00:13:40,064 Speaker 3: all this. Yeah, like unless these like celebrities come out 293 00:13:40,064 --> 00:13:42,944 Speaker 3: every day and refute things, this is the future that 294 00:13:42,984 --> 00:13:46,064 Speaker 3: we're dealing with. Like not knowing if anything is real, 295 00:13:46,184 --> 00:13:49,664 Speaker 3: Like it kind of terrifies me if anything, like it's sad, 296 00:13:49,784 --> 00:13:52,104 Speaker 3: I don't I don't know what it's all gonna look like, 297 00:13:52,464 --> 00:13:55,024 Speaker 3: you know, Like it really upsets me though, because it's like, 298 00:13:55,944 --> 00:13:59,184 Speaker 3: for so long we could trust these quotes. We could 299 00:13:59,184 --> 00:14:01,184 Speaker 3: trust the media because if it was getting printed, we 300 00:14:01,264 --> 00:14:02,864 Speaker 3: knew that it had gone through some sort of kind 301 00:14:02,904 --> 00:14:05,864 Speaker 3: of journalistic scrutiny. But now there's the Internet where you 302 00:14:05,904 --> 00:14:07,584 Speaker 3: can just like put any words on any picture and 303 00:14:07,624 --> 00:14:09,424 Speaker 3: put it out and people believe it's real. But now 304 00:14:09,464 --> 00:14:11,584 Speaker 3: it's going next lets in which it's gonna look like 305 00:14:11,624 --> 00:14:13,424 Speaker 3: the person is saying but they're not gonna say it. 306 00:14:13,464 --> 00:14:16,064 Speaker 3: So look, I don't know what the answer is, but 307 00:14:16,384 --> 00:14:19,264 Speaker 3: the future is bleak when it comes to like celebrity 308 00:14:19,344 --> 00:14:21,184 Speaker 3: quotes and images and give you the hot tip, bab, 309 00:14:25,944 --> 00:14:28,624 Speaker 3: do you want to tell me how this all started? 310 00:14:29,384 --> 00:14:33,624 Speaker 3: I was diagnosed with a stage four brain shiver. That 311 00:14:33,744 --> 00:14:37,544 Speaker 3: was four years ago. Human beings are capable of anything. 312 00:14:38,184 --> 00:14:41,824 Speaker 3: I was on a quest to heal myself naturally. I 313 00:14:41,944 --> 00:14:45,744 Speaker 3: flirt seek out. It's raw and honest. We've built a 314 00:14:45,784 --> 00:14:47,264 Speaker 3: beautiful community. 315 00:14:46,904 --> 00:14:51,784 Speaker 2: Together a start from when you first played about having 316 00:14:51,784 --> 00:14:52,784 Speaker 2: brain cancer. 317 00:14:52,704 --> 00:14:56,704 Speaker 3: Laura Bodnick Apple Cider Vinegar six episodes coming to Netflix 318 00:14:56,744 --> 00:14:59,584 Speaker 3: in twenty twenty five. I didn't know this was even 319 00:14:59,704 --> 00:15:02,744 Speaker 3: happening until I just kind of saw the trailer. Today, 320 00:15:02,784 --> 00:15:04,944 Speaker 3: you're a lot more across all of these things, but 321 00:15:05,024 --> 00:15:09,864 Speaker 3: of course it is the story of cancer fraud. Belle Gibson, Babe, 322 00:15:09,864 --> 00:15:13,024 Speaker 3: did you know anything about this before? Netflix? Just kind 323 00:15:13,024 --> 00:15:14,344 Speaker 3: of dropped this trailer today. 324 00:15:14,744 --> 00:15:17,304 Speaker 2: Yes, they've been sort of breadcoming some details for a while, 325 00:15:17,424 --> 00:15:19,064 Speaker 2: so I knew it was coming. I knew some of 326 00:15:19,104 --> 00:15:21,704 Speaker 2: the cast, but I think until we saw the teaser 327 00:15:21,704 --> 00:15:24,264 Speaker 2: trailer today, like that's when the excitement started building. And 328 00:15:24,304 --> 00:15:27,704 Speaker 2: I think it's also reignited this interest in Bell Gibson 329 00:15:27,744 --> 00:15:29,824 Speaker 2: because she, I mean, so much has happened to that 330 00:15:29,864 --> 00:15:32,024 Speaker 2: woman since we last saw her be in the media. 331 00:15:32,104 --> 00:15:34,264 Speaker 2: But I think it's really going to bring her story 332 00:15:34,304 --> 00:15:36,944 Speaker 2: to the forefront. I mean, it is obviously a fictionalized account, 333 00:15:37,424 --> 00:15:41,584 Speaker 2: but the source material is very good. This I love you. 334 00:15:42,264 --> 00:15:44,344 Speaker 3: I'm supposed it's taken ten years for there to even 335 00:15:44,424 --> 00:15:45,824 Speaker 3: be a Netflix show. 336 00:15:45,864 --> 00:15:48,144 Speaker 2: I know, because there is so much this story, so 337 00:15:48,304 --> 00:15:51,864 Speaker 2: over so many years, Bell Gibson built up her career 338 00:15:51,984 --> 00:15:54,864 Speaker 2: and this fame for being this wellness guru. She gave 339 00:15:54,984 --> 00:15:58,104 Speaker 2: multiple interviews saying that she had been diagnosed with all 340 00:15:58,144 --> 00:16:03,264 Speaker 2: of these very concerning and life threatening health situations, including 341 00:16:03,344 --> 00:16:06,504 Speaker 2: malignant brain cancer, and all through this, she said she'd 342 00:16:06,544 --> 00:16:09,184 Speaker 2: had been able to control and in some cases even 343 00:16:09,184 --> 00:16:13,064 Speaker 2: get rid of these illnesses through diet, exercise, natural medicine, 344 00:16:13,064 --> 00:16:16,344 Speaker 2: and alternative medicine. Therapies. The other part of the story 345 00:16:16,344 --> 00:16:19,144 Speaker 2: is that she also said she had donated a significant 346 00:16:19,144 --> 00:16:22,424 Speaker 2: proportion of her income and all of the profits, yeah, 347 00:16:22,424 --> 00:16:25,784 Speaker 2: all the properity things, which also came out not to 348 00:16:25,824 --> 00:16:28,024 Speaker 2: be true. So she found it an app called The 349 00:16:28,024 --> 00:16:31,264 Speaker 2: Whole Pantry, which was very much in alternative medicine and 350 00:16:31,304 --> 00:16:35,064 Speaker 2: also healthy eating, and later she released a companion cookbook, 351 00:16:35,104 --> 00:16:37,744 Speaker 2: The Whole Pantry as well. And then it wasn't until 352 00:16:37,784 --> 00:16:40,784 Speaker 2: twenty fifteen. I think the first thing was the charitable 353 00:16:40,824 --> 00:16:43,544 Speaker 2: donations that turned out to be false, and then there 354 00:16:43,584 --> 00:16:46,504 Speaker 2: was this huge media investigation into her story that found 355 00:16:46,544 --> 00:16:49,944 Speaker 2: out that she had fabricated the entire thing, her whole backstory, 356 00:16:50,184 --> 00:16:52,184 Speaker 2: the cancer. But not only that she had lied about 357 00:16:52,184 --> 00:16:55,744 Speaker 2: her age, she had lied about her personal life, her history, 358 00:16:56,064 --> 00:16:58,264 Speaker 2: and so much of this is in the book that 359 00:16:58,304 --> 00:17:01,064 Speaker 2: this new Netflix series is based on, The Woman Who 360 00:17:01,104 --> 00:17:04,104 Speaker 2: Fooled the World by Bodon Lelly and Nick Toscano, which 361 00:17:04,144 --> 00:17:06,624 Speaker 2: I've read because it's just such a read. That book. 362 00:17:06,784 --> 00:17:07,264 Speaker 3: It's just so. 363 00:17:07,344 --> 00:17:10,264 Speaker 2: Fascinating, like this really in depth, amazing piece of don't 364 00:17:10,984 --> 00:17:12,704 Speaker 2: I thought I knew the story because I'd watched so 365 00:17:12,784 --> 00:17:14,704 Speaker 2: much about Bell Gibson, But it wasn't until I read 366 00:17:14,704 --> 00:17:17,144 Speaker 2: this book that I sort of saw all the different 367 00:17:17,184 --> 00:17:20,064 Speaker 2: parts and how deep the lie had gone and how 368 00:17:20,144 --> 00:17:22,944 Speaker 2: much of her story, like different parts were still untold. 369 00:17:23,424 --> 00:17:25,904 Speaker 2: And then I think it was April twenty fifteen that 370 00:17:25,944 --> 00:17:28,624 Speaker 2: Bell Gibson herself gave an interview and said that, yeah, 371 00:17:28,664 --> 00:17:31,544 Speaker 2: none of it's true, and then so many parts of 372 00:17:31,544 --> 00:17:32,984 Speaker 2: this story have just gotten stranger. 373 00:17:33,184 --> 00:17:35,704 Speaker 3: The official liner from Netflix is this is a true 374 00:17:35,824 --> 00:17:38,784 Speaker 3: ish story based on a lie about the rise and 375 00:17:38,824 --> 00:17:41,784 Speaker 3: fall of a wellness empire, the culture that built it up, 376 00:17:42,024 --> 00:17:44,824 Speaker 3: and the people who tore it down. Bell Gibson were 377 00:17:44,864 --> 00:17:47,464 Speaker 3: played by Caitlyn Diba, who you'll know from Dope, Sick, 378 00:17:47,544 --> 00:17:50,104 Speaker 3: and Book Smart. She was so good in Books Smart, 379 00:17:50,264 --> 00:17:52,464 Speaker 3: so good to Paradise. She's one of those kind of 380 00:17:52,504 --> 00:17:55,344 Speaker 3: like fringe actresses who like you kind of forget about, 381 00:17:55,344 --> 00:17:57,664 Speaker 3: but then every time you see that, you're like, damn. 382 00:17:57,744 --> 00:18:00,304 Speaker 3: She's so talented and in a little bit that we've 383 00:18:00,304 --> 00:18:03,184 Speaker 3: seen of this trailer, isn't it funny how she's kind 384 00:18:03,264 --> 00:18:07,864 Speaker 3: of like channeled the aura and spirit of Belle Gibson 385 00:18:07,904 --> 00:18:12,664 Speaker 3: because she is such a strange an enigmatic human that 386 00:18:12,784 --> 00:18:17,064 Speaker 3: when she talks, it's almost like you can see the 387 00:18:17,184 --> 00:18:21,944 Speaker 3: cogs turning in Bell Gibson's mind as she lies through 388 00:18:21,984 --> 00:18:24,304 Speaker 3: her teeth, but she kind of still believes it, but 389 00:18:24,344 --> 00:18:27,224 Speaker 3: she almost looks confused by her own lies. I think 390 00:18:27,264 --> 00:18:30,104 Speaker 3: the casting is absolutely brilliant. Award winning A Strand writer 391 00:18:30,184 --> 00:18:32,744 Speaker 3: Samantha Strauss, who worked on Nine Perfect Strangers, has been 392 00:18:32,744 --> 00:18:35,624 Speaker 3: brought on board to work on it. But man, you're 393 00:18:35,664 --> 00:18:38,424 Speaker 3: absolutely right that we all kind of like when this 394 00:18:38,464 --> 00:18:43,984 Speaker 3: happened in twenty fifteen it was groundbreaking, because now I 395 00:18:44,024 --> 00:18:47,584 Speaker 3: think it's more accept not acceptable, We accept more readily 396 00:18:47,664 --> 00:18:50,184 Speaker 3: now that influencers are full of shit most of the time. 397 00:18:50,864 --> 00:18:55,344 Speaker 3: But this woman didn't just have an Instagram page with 398 00:18:55,424 --> 00:18:58,264 Speaker 3: some quotes that she'd done up on canvas. She had 399 00:18:58,304 --> 00:19:04,144 Speaker 3: built an empire, a business, loyal followers, people who were 400 00:19:04,224 --> 00:19:06,104 Speaker 3: like her ride and dies. 401 00:19:06,704 --> 00:19:08,304 Speaker 2: But I guess it's that thing. If like the whole 402 00:19:08,384 --> 00:19:11,144 Speaker 2: room believes it, you would going to believe it. Like 403 00:19:11,144 --> 00:19:13,664 Speaker 2: it's also weird to think that in the publishing phase 404 00:19:13,704 --> 00:19:16,504 Speaker 2: that no one asked for any kind of proof, But 405 00:19:16,584 --> 00:19:19,104 Speaker 2: I guess if someone is saying this is my life story, 406 00:19:19,144 --> 00:19:20,144 Speaker 2: you're going to believe them. 407 00:19:20,664 --> 00:19:24,144 Speaker 3: And what point is someone in a boardroom going to say, hey, 408 00:19:24,224 --> 00:19:26,184 Speaker 3: they we're just going to need to see a doctor's 409 00:19:26,184 --> 00:19:29,784 Speaker 3: certificate just that proves you had the cancer. But I 410 00:19:29,824 --> 00:19:32,304 Speaker 3: suppose a precedent was set after that because that was 411 00:19:32,704 --> 00:19:36,144 Speaker 3: incredibly humiliating for the published IDs and they would have 412 00:19:36,224 --> 00:19:38,424 Speaker 3: lost so much money that now they kind of have 413 00:19:38,584 --> 00:19:41,904 Speaker 3: to do their due diligence. But also now I think 414 00:19:41,984 --> 00:19:45,344 Speaker 3: we kind of a bit more gbious around our influences. 415 00:19:46,224 --> 00:19:49,304 Speaker 3: I would like to think so. And now that she's 416 00:19:49,384 --> 00:19:51,944 Speaker 3: kind of been public that her life has been absolutely ruined, 417 00:19:51,944 --> 00:19:54,784 Speaker 3: Like she's had her house rated recently, she owes half 418 00:19:54,784 --> 00:19:57,624 Speaker 3: a million dollars in debt through kind of courts as 419 00:19:57,624 --> 00:19:59,984 Speaker 3: well as just like normal debts, she's run up. Her 420 00:20:00,024 --> 00:20:03,824 Speaker 3: life is effectively over. And do you remember when footage 421 00:20:03,824 --> 00:20:07,104 Speaker 3: emerged her claiming that she had been like welcomed in 422 00:20:07,104 --> 00:20:10,264 Speaker 3: to an African community. Yes, and she was like dropping 423 00:20:10,504 --> 00:20:13,624 Speaker 3: language and say that she volunteered and live with them 424 00:20:13,624 --> 00:20:16,264 Speaker 3: now and then her family and then like the community 425 00:20:16,384 --> 00:20:19,624 Speaker 3: like released release and they were like, she's been to 426 00:20:19,704 --> 00:20:22,344 Speaker 3: like three events in four years. We don't know her, 427 00:20:22,544 --> 00:20:25,624 Speaker 3: nobody knows her. The name that she's going by isn't 428 00:20:25,624 --> 00:20:28,784 Speaker 3: a name that we gave her Like the delusion is continuing. 429 00:20:29,584 --> 00:20:32,424 Speaker 3: It's incredibly sad. But one of the things I often 430 00:20:32,464 --> 00:20:35,944 Speaker 3: think about this Laura is she's obviously an incredibly smart 431 00:20:36,064 --> 00:20:39,824 Speaker 3: human being. Like she still built the business. I guess 432 00:20:39,824 --> 00:20:42,504 Speaker 3: it was built on a lie, but like, imagine what 433 00:20:42,544 --> 00:20:45,264 Speaker 3: she could have done with her life achieved if she 434 00:20:45,344 --> 00:20:47,504 Speaker 3: just had a line about having cancer. Like, how does 435 00:20:47,504 --> 00:20:52,384 Speaker 3: someone that's so delusional become so popular? Was it just 436 00:20:52,504 --> 00:20:55,704 Speaker 3: the story or does she have an amazing ability to 437 00:20:55,784 --> 00:20:58,304 Speaker 3: kind of draw people in and get funding and like, 438 00:20:58,424 --> 00:21:00,864 Speaker 3: you know, because that's not these are easy things to do. 439 00:21:01,064 --> 00:21:03,064 Speaker 2: Obviously there's a lot of different issues going on there, 440 00:21:03,064 --> 00:21:06,624 Speaker 2: but she comes across as a very smart and compelling person, 441 00:21:06,864 --> 00:21:08,464 Speaker 2: and I think that's part of the reason she was 442 00:21:08,504 --> 00:21:10,664 Speaker 2: able to get so many people to believe her, and 443 00:21:10,704 --> 00:21:13,344 Speaker 2: the whole reason she built up the book deal on 444 00:21:13,384 --> 00:21:15,424 Speaker 2: the app is that she would do so many interviews 445 00:21:15,424 --> 00:21:17,384 Speaker 2: and if you watch those older interviews of her back 446 00:21:17,704 --> 00:21:21,144 Speaker 2: for TV shations and things, she speaks so well. She's 447 00:21:21,184 --> 00:21:24,864 Speaker 2: so eloquent, she's so emotive, but she really like tells 448 00:21:24,904 --> 00:21:27,184 Speaker 2: the story in a very interesting way. I think that's 449 00:21:27,184 --> 00:21:29,944 Speaker 2: why people flock to her, because just coming out and saying, like, 450 00:21:30,584 --> 00:21:32,304 Speaker 2: you know, I had these illnesses and I did this. 451 00:21:32,584 --> 00:21:34,224 Speaker 2: That's not really going to take off in the same 452 00:21:34,224 --> 00:21:36,704 Speaker 2: way unless you build It's like she built a brand 453 00:21:36,744 --> 00:21:40,344 Speaker 2: around herself. But yeah, it's like influencing one on one, 454 00:21:40,384 --> 00:21:43,024 Speaker 2: except it was built on a very dangerous lie. 455 00:21:43,184 --> 00:21:46,224 Speaker 3: No bueno. Who do you think is next? Like, who's 456 00:21:46,264 --> 00:21:49,384 Speaker 3: the next Australian true crime drama? Obviously I can't go 457 00:21:49,464 --> 00:21:50,824 Speaker 3: past Melissa Caddic. 458 00:21:51,304 --> 00:21:53,504 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure that's coming. Netflix will get their hands 459 00:21:53,504 --> 00:21:53,784 Speaker 2: onto that. 460 00:21:54,304 --> 00:21:56,224 Speaker 3: When are they allowed to you know what I mean? Like, 461 00:21:56,264 --> 00:21:59,024 Speaker 3: when are they allowed to go? Okay, the foot's rocked 462 00:21:59,064 --> 00:22:01,544 Speaker 3: up on the show. It's been X amount of years. 463 00:22:01,824 --> 00:22:04,064 Speaker 3: We can now do the story. I'm melissicadic And do 464 00:22:04,144 --> 00:22:06,584 Speaker 3: you need that like family's permission? Like, surely not. It's 465 00:22:06,584 --> 00:22:09,784 Speaker 3: in like public interest now because the second that Netflix drops, 466 00:22:09,824 --> 00:22:12,264 Speaker 3: I mean I. 467 00:22:11,624 --> 00:22:14,584 Speaker 2: You'll be watching it. So Apple Cider Vinegar a true 468 00:22:14,664 --> 00:22:17,184 Speaker 2: Ish story, as Netflix is billing it is going to 469 00:22:17,224 --> 00:22:19,704 Speaker 2: be on Netflix in twenty twenty five. We don't have 470 00:22:19,744 --> 00:22:22,464 Speaker 2: a release day yet, but we have been given a 471 00:22:22,464 --> 00:22:24,824 Speaker 2: look into the other incredible actresses who are in the show. 472 00:22:25,024 --> 00:22:27,944 Speaker 2: So Alicia Denmankhari who people would know from The Lost 473 00:22:27,944 --> 00:22:30,664 Speaker 2: Flowers of Alice Hart. I personally know her from The Hundred, 474 00:22:30,704 --> 00:22:33,064 Speaker 2: so that's more of a fandom thing. Asha d who 475 00:22:33,144 --> 00:22:34,824 Speaker 2: was in The Bold Type and you know got this 476 00:22:34,944 --> 00:22:37,824 Speaker 2: huge international Do you watch The ball Type? 477 00:22:38,104 --> 00:22:38,344 Speaker 3: Yes? 478 00:22:38,504 --> 00:22:40,384 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I was gonna say, obviously you're a woman 479 00:22:40,424 --> 00:22:40,824 Speaker 2: with a soul. 480 00:22:40,904 --> 00:22:41,144 Speaker 3: You have. 481 00:22:42,704 --> 00:22:44,464 Speaker 2: Who we've had on the pod many times. She's come 482 00:22:44,544 --> 00:22:47,064 Speaker 2: back to Australian and she's making so many interesting things. 483 00:22:47,064 --> 00:22:49,504 Speaker 2: I can't wait to see her. This also Tilda Cobbin 484 00:22:49,584 --> 00:22:52,664 Speaker 2: Harvey who was in Im Woman, and they've also announced 485 00:22:52,704 --> 00:22:55,824 Speaker 2: a few other actresses who have joined, so Susie Porter 486 00:22:56,184 --> 00:22:58,544 Speaker 2: and Ssie Davis. It's just a yeah, it's a really 487 00:22:58,544 --> 00:23:02,184 Speaker 2: stacked cast, so I'm excited. Again just loosely based off 488 00:23:02,184 --> 00:23:03,864 Speaker 2: Belle Gibson, but I'm sure we'll still a lot of 489 00:23:03,904 --> 00:23:06,624 Speaker 2: her story unfold exactly. Well, thank you so much for 490 00:23:06,704 --> 00:23:08,584 Speaker 2: listening to the Spill today, And if you want more 491 00:23:08,624 --> 00:23:12,344 Speaker 2: of Ash and I banterin two Crazy Ladies of pop Culture, 492 00:23:12,424 --> 00:23:15,624 Speaker 2: you can listen to yesterday's episode where we got maybe 493 00:23:15,664 --> 00:23:19,944 Speaker 2: two emotionally invested in the new twist in Hugh Jackman 494 00:23:20,064 --> 00:23:23,744 Speaker 2: and Sutton Foster's slightly scandalous romance, So head back in 495 00:23:23,744 --> 00:23:25,864 Speaker 2: the feed and listen to that, and we'll see you 496 00:23:25,904 --> 00:23:28,384 Speaker 2: back here in your podcast feed at three pm tomorrow. 497 00:23:28,424 --> 00:23:29,944 Speaker 3: Bye, hey guys. 498 00:23:34,864 --> 00:23:35,024 Speaker 1: Lan