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Speaker 1: So you're listening to a Muma Mea podcast. Mumma Mea

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Speaker 1: acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters that this

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Speaker 1: podcast is recorded on Hi. I'm Claire Murphy. This is

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Speaker 1: Mumma MIA's twice daily news podcast, The Quickie. Most of

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Speaker 1: us are pretty aware that there are weight loss drugs

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Speaker 1: on the market now that are GLP one agonists or

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Speaker 1: semaglue tide. But have you been scrolling and been served

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Speaker 1: an ad or been sprooged at by an influencer who

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Speaker 1: claims there are patches or gummies that are essentially the

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Speaker 1: natural version of the same thing.

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Speaker 2: If you were trying to lose weed and you are

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Speaker 2: not achieving success, you need to give these GLP one patches.

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Speaker 1: Today we discuss a rise of products labeled as foe zenpic.

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Speaker 1: Is there any truth that you can naturally achieve what

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Speaker 1: drug companies are making millions of dollars from? But first,

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Speaker 1: here's the latest from the Quikie newsroom Wednesday, February nineteen.

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Speaker 1: After handing down its first rate card in more than

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Speaker 1: four years, the tone set by the Reserve Bank in

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Speaker 1: the wake of the announcement has many believing them may

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Speaker 1: not be more to follow Millions of homeowners and potential

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Speaker 1: borrowers celebrated the twenty five bases point decrease in the

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Speaker 1: cash rate yesterday, but RBA Governor Michelle Bullock said the

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Speaker 1: positive progress Australia has made on inflation in recent months

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Speaker 1: warranted the cut, but there were still arguments against it

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Speaker 1: and that labor market figures means market expectations of a

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Speaker 1: further three cuts this easing cycle were unrealistic. Inflation data

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Speaker 1: ensuring no more cuts until at least then. Ossie cricketer

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Speaker 1: Osmond Kowaja has hit out of the Prime Minister and

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Speaker 1: while condemning anti Semitic incidents. The accusation came after two

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Speaker 1: Muslim women were assaulted in separate incidents at a shopping

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Speaker 1: center in Epping in Melbourne's North, an area known for

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Speaker 1: to the floor ten minutes later. Kouwaja saying no one

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Speaker 1: the Islamic community. Kawaja said that the PM and definitely

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Speaker 1: conversation is always one sided. Minister for Multicultural Affairs Julian

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Speaker 1: example of rising Islamophobic incidents and attitudes and that Muslim

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Speaker 1: Australians have every right to feel safe when going about

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Speaker 1: their business in the community. Russia and the US have

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Speaker 1: held talks in Saudi Arabia on ending the war in

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Speaker 1: Ukraine Moscow, asking for NATO to formally disavour promise made

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Speaker 1: to Kiev back in two thousand and eight. Ukraine, who

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Speaker 1: Senior US officials said both signs will need to make

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Speaker 1: been going for three years. Russian officials said it wasn't

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Speaker 1: but needed to disavow a promise that KIV would be

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Speaker 1: remain concerned that the Trump administration will cut a hasty

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Speaker 1: find out whether a patch or a gummy can achieve

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Speaker 1: the same results as weight loss injections. The popularity of

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Speaker 1: same thing. In September twenty twenty four, Kurtney Kardashian's wellness

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Speaker 1: brand Lemmy introduced GLP one Daily, marketed as a natural

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Speaker 1: fruit extract. While Lemmy golp one Daily claims to boost

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Speaker 2: They actually have burwerine, which I've been promoting for so long.

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Speaker 2: Burberine which helps calm your cravings and also it helps

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Speaker 2: of we loss. You're also getting pomegranate extracts, cinnamon, vitamin B,

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Speaker 2: complex famine, riboflavin, niacin, and glutamine. So such powerful potent

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Speaker 1: You gotta give them the truck. The surge in demand

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Speaker 1: some of these products for potentially misleading marketing claims. Zimmerman

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Speaker 1: Read in the US has launched an investigation into Lemmys

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Speaker 1: advertising practices. So what do doctors think about these natural alternatives?

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Speaker 1: Doctor Brad MacKaye is a GP author, podcast host, and

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Speaker 1: medical commentator. Doctor Brad, can you take something that isn't

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Speaker 1: a GOLP one medication that will actually boost your GOLP

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Speaker 3: Well, the whole thing is that we're kind of comparing

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Speaker 3: amazing studies that show that these medications can be helpful

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Speaker 1: Do these patches, pels, gummies have to prove their effectiveness

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Speaker 1: feel like there's like a little comment somewhere may help

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of trickery that's in the advertising. For example,

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Speaker 3: like there's one option here in front of me that

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Speaker 3: says support your healthy lifestyle with our innovative botanical patches.

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Speaker 3: So these are designed to complement your weight loss journey.

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Speaker 3: So these are very airy, fairy comments which don't actually

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Speaker 3: They don't say that they're going to help you with diabetes.

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Speaker 3: these people don't really need to come up with the

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Speaker 3: evidence for it. If it's a regulated medication, yes, they

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Speaker 3: need to go through all of these judicious processes, they

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Speaker 1: Well, that leads to my next question because when we

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Speaker 3: Because fruit fruit will obviously help you to lose weight.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So like again, it's really dangerous and it's very

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Speaker 3: And I've had a number of patients who have been

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Speaker 3: There's often a wide variety of different vitamin bs that

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Speaker 1: Should we always be skeptical of anything that promises weight

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Speaker 3: Well, you kind of want to be trusting a doctor

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Speaker 3: and if they're prescribing a product that's working. And this

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Speaker 3: really helpful for people if it's scientifically studied. But if

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Speaker 3: then you've got to be very very careful. At best,

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Speaker 1: on those weight loss injections.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and this is really like what is ethically awful.

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