WEBVTT - The Bennifer Divorce Unpacked 0:00:10.287 --> 0:00:13.047 You're listening to a Mamma Mia podcast. 0:00:13.727 --> 0:00:16.767 Mamma Mere acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters 0:00:16.807 --> 0:00:23.647 that this podcast is recorded on Hello, and welcome to 0:00:23.687 --> 0:00:26.287 Mamma Mia Out Loud and to our Friday's show where 0:00:26.327 --> 0:00:29.887 we take a break from the news cycle and breathe out. 0:00:29.927 --> 0:00:30.447 Today. 0:00:31.007 --> 0:00:34.407 It's Friday, the twenty third of August, and I'm Holly Wainwright, 0:00:34.487 --> 0:00:35.807 I'm mea Friedman. 0:00:35.487 --> 0:00:36.687 And I'm Jesse Stevens. 0:00:36.767 --> 0:00:40.287 And on the show today getting dumped and getting over it? 0:00:40.487 --> 0:00:43.247 Do celebrities know more about heartbreak than civilians? 0:00:43.767 --> 0:00:46.327 J Love Jaylo, one. 0:00:46.207 --> 0:00:48.207 Of our reporters found out, and we have our own 0:00:48.207 --> 0:00:52.767 advice for her fashion icon. Jesse Stevens has a clothing recommendation, 0:00:52.967 --> 0:00:54.687 I want you all to watch a free TV show. 0:00:54.687 --> 0:00:56.567 And Mia has a book she loves that she thought 0:00:56.647 --> 0:01:00.967 she'd hate. And absent spouse is an unexpected slumber party 0:01:01.007 --> 0:01:02.927 and some vomit. No, it wasn't me. 0:01:03.007 --> 0:01:04.447 A Freedman's logis night. 0:01:05.647 --> 0:01:08.767 It's our bests and worse of the week. But first, 0:01:08.847 --> 0:01:10.647 Jesse Stevens. 0:01:09.967 --> 0:01:12.447 In case he missed it, there is a word you 0:01:12.447 --> 0:01:15.567 can no longer call your colleague. Maya, are you listening. 0:01:16.487 --> 0:01:19.007 Well, there's so many there are I am I allowed 0:01:19.047 --> 0:01:20.567 to use the S word even though I do use 0:01:20.607 --> 0:01:21.687 it as a term of effection. 0:01:21.807 --> 0:01:24.567 Get your pen out and write this down. And Ossie 0:01:24.567 --> 0:01:28.007 mayor named Tom Tate has now formally apologized for a 0:01:28.047 --> 0:01:30.847 word he used to describe a colleague. He thought it 0:01:30.887 --> 0:01:33.847 was a lighthearted comment, but it ended up prompting a 0:01:33.887 --> 0:01:38.167 full blown investigation. So what did he call MP John 0:01:38.247 --> 0:01:46.247 Paul Langbrook? He called him a ranger In a press conference, 0:01:46.407 --> 0:01:50.247 Tate said, you know, lose one ranger, get another ranger. 0:01:50.487 --> 0:01:52.807 What the hell that's what the Gold Coast is all about. 0:01:53.167 --> 0:01:54.447 I don't understand. 0:01:54.167 --> 0:01:59.967 He's so hashtagged at diversity. Yes quite Gold Coast. 0:01:59.847 --> 0:02:03.927 Tom Tate did. But the Office of the Independent Assessor 0:02:04.447 --> 0:02:07.607 we're not impressed in its determination. They said. While the 0:02:07.647 --> 0:02:10.087 conduct may well be argued to be in jest or 0:02:10.087 --> 0:02:13.687 intended to be humorous, it was considered that the term 0:02:14.047 --> 0:02:18.927 ranger was still capable of being discriminatory and unreasonably causing 0:02:18.967 --> 0:02:22.647 offence to particular groups. The complaint was also said to 0:02:22.767 --> 0:02:25.807 raise various concerns about the use of the term, including 0:02:25.887 --> 0:02:27.567 its reference to orangutanks. 0:02:27.807 --> 0:02:30.127 The person who was called a ranger. Was not the 0:02:30.167 --> 0:02:31.967 one that complained. It's because the mayor put this on 0:02:32.407 --> 0:02:34.407 a light outed Facebook post with a picture of this 0:02:34.487 --> 0:02:38.447 guy is made, I think, and other people complained about it. 0:02:38.527 --> 0:02:40.327 So what do you think, ma'am? Do you think that 0:02:40.367 --> 0:02:42.367 you have the right to call an employee a ranger 0:02:42.407 --> 0:02:42.887 to their face? 0:02:43.007 --> 0:02:46.207 I would never because I think you've got to listen 0:02:46.247 --> 0:02:50.087 to the people who are the thing, the rangers. You 0:02:50.167 --> 0:02:52.367 have to listen to the rang well, well, whatever happens 0:02:52.367 --> 0:02:55.127 to me, whether you say something is offensive or not, 0:02:55.167 --> 0:02:57.407 you kind of And also they're not a monolith. There's 0:02:57.447 --> 0:02:59.447 lots of people with red hair who have different views. 0:02:59.487 --> 0:03:03.487 All the people that I've spoken to speaking to think 0:03:03.527 --> 0:03:05.567 it's fine and take it as a compliment. But I 0:03:05.567 --> 0:03:07.607 think it's also how it's intended. 0:03:07.807 --> 0:03:10.127 Speaking of, we are asked a few people in our 0:03:10.167 --> 0:03:13.567 office who do have red hair. Maybe that's even offensive 0:03:13.607 --> 0:03:14.967 to spot them out and say, can you tell us 0:03:14.967 --> 0:03:16.447 what you think about this term? But we asked them 0:03:16.527 --> 0:03:19.327 if they thought little terms maybe yeah, if the term 0:03:19.367 --> 0:03:24.687 ranger is offensive, And here's what they said. 0:03:23.287 --> 0:03:27.807 Not remotely. I'm very comfortable with being a ranger. I'm 0:03:28.167 --> 0:03:31.407 very comfortable in my own skin about being a ranger. 0:03:31.527 --> 0:03:35.567 I refer to myself as a ranger. However, it depends 0:03:35.607 --> 0:03:38.647 who's saying it and in what context. So it's like 0:03:38.687 --> 0:03:41.607 I wouldn't go around the office and say hello baldy 0:03:42.247 --> 0:03:45.287 or hello big nose or whatever. So if I know 0:03:45.487 --> 0:03:47.687 someone and they refer to me as a ranger, that's 0:03:47.727 --> 0:03:48.767 absolutely fine. 0:03:48.847 --> 0:03:50.647 But it's just common sense. 0:03:51.047 --> 0:03:53.607 Well, on the one hand, I can see why, you know, 0:03:53.727 --> 0:03:57.167 these kind of negative stereotypes like gingers being quick to anger. 0:03:57.167 --> 0:04:00.127 I don't really want these dorogedy phrases flying around. But 0:04:00.607 --> 0:04:02.727 then on the other I'm not a big fan of 0:04:02.847 --> 0:04:05.687 linguistic policing in general, so this news does, of course 0:04:05.767 --> 0:04:07.607 instantly send me into a fiery rage. 0:04:07.847 --> 0:04:10.207 I don't care. I could not care less if someone 0:04:10.367 --> 0:04:13.047 called me a ranger. It depends, Like somebody could say 0:04:13.167 --> 0:04:15.087 you're a ranger, or like, oh, my friend who's a 0:04:15.167 --> 0:04:18.007 ranger with warmth, and I'd be like, that's nice. But 0:04:18.047 --> 0:04:20.847 if someone used it as like your ranger as an insult, 0:04:20.887 --> 0:04:22.247 I'd be like, get a better insult. 0:04:22.567 --> 0:04:24.767 Honestly, I don't mind. If someone wants to call me 0:04:24.807 --> 0:04:26.887 a ranger. You can call me a ranger, you know, 0:04:27.047 --> 0:04:29.367 It kind of depends on who the person is. If 0:04:29.407 --> 0:04:31.567 you're going to say it in a disrespectful way, like 0:04:31.767 --> 0:04:35.327 you know, it might not be appreciated. But also, like 0:04:35.407 --> 0:04:37.967 Tim Minchin says, like only a ginger gets to call 0:04:38.007 --> 0:04:41.007 another ginger ginger. So there's that too, Holly. 0:04:40.727 --> 0:04:41.927 Would you use the term ranger? 0:04:42.167 --> 0:04:45.967 No, I wouldn't, but I grew up in a ranger house. 0:04:46.287 --> 0:04:48.167 Ranger is an Australian thing, right, We don't use it 0:04:48.167 --> 0:04:51.007 in England. What you call red hair from England? A 0:04:51.047 --> 0:04:52.967 ginger in England? Who call him the ginger? 0:04:53.127 --> 0:04:54.767 And is it a term of endearment. 0:04:54.807 --> 0:04:58.407 So it's very similar to ranger in that it can 0:04:58.527 --> 0:05:00.927 be fine, but it can also be a little bit 0:05:01.087 --> 0:05:03.847 if people are calling you a ginger x you know. 0:05:03.767 --> 0:05:04.527 What I mean? Ah? 0:05:04.767 --> 0:05:05.927 Yeah, yeah, yeah, it can be Yes. 0:05:06.487 --> 0:05:10.407 Yes, my dad had red hair, my brother had red hair. 0:05:10.447 --> 0:05:12.087 My hair used to be quite red, and my kids 0:05:12.087 --> 0:05:14.887 have red hair because there's also red hair on Brent's side. 0:05:15.687 --> 0:05:18.847 And my daughter gets called ranger as her nickname at school. 0:05:19.007 --> 0:05:19.847 Did she mind her? 0:05:20.567 --> 0:05:22.367 I don't know that she loves it, but I think 0:05:22.407 --> 0:05:24.927 she has decided to accept it as a term of endearment, 0:05:25.047 --> 0:05:26.967 which I think is often what you do, don't you 0:05:27.047 --> 0:05:29.287 when somebody starts calling you a name, and you decide 0:05:29.287 --> 0:05:31.567 how you're going to handle it. But I think that's because, 0:05:31.607 --> 0:05:33.647 as we discussed last week, she's called Matilda, and there 0:05:33.647 --> 0:05:36.207 are about ten other Matilda's in her year, so they 0:05:36.287 --> 0:05:40.287 all have a nickname, and so she is rang and Matilda. 0:05:40.367 --> 0:05:42.327 I wouldn't use it. I don't think I've ever used 0:05:42.367 --> 0:05:44.447 it to describe someone or at school. I think that 0:05:44.527 --> 0:05:47.607 it could be seen as a bit of a derogatory 0:05:48.087 --> 0:05:51.127 term to describe someone. I don't think it's on par 0:05:51.327 --> 0:05:54.767 with sort of racist or homophobic language, like obviously that's 0:05:54.847 --> 0:05:57.207 a different thing. I think it's funny that this has been. 0:05:58.287 --> 0:05:59.367 A trigger warning. 0:06:00.967 --> 0:06:03.287 In the workplace. She just can't comment on what people 0:06:03.327 --> 0:06:05.807 look like. It's taken us a long time to get 0:06:05.847 --> 0:06:09.007 me up to speed with that exactly. 0:06:08.847 --> 0:06:12.367 Nice call you, blondie, until just reach because I couldn't 0:06:12.367 --> 0:06:13.047 remember your name. 0:06:13.847 --> 0:06:16.127 Okay, I want to talk about being dumped, and not 0:06:16.247 --> 0:06:18.447 only because of Jlo, but also a little bit because 0:06:18.447 --> 0:06:21.247 of Jaelo. As we talked about on Wednesday, this has 0:06:21.287 --> 0:06:23.487 been the week that we were told officially what we 0:06:23.607 --> 0:06:26.607 all have known for some time, which is the greatest 0:06:26.647 --> 0:06:28.927 love story of our time, which was the rekindling, And 0:06:29.047 --> 0:06:31.567 of course that's a whole movie called that. But the 0:06:31.607 --> 0:06:35.927 rekindling of the love affair between Jennifer Lopez and Ben Affleck, 0:06:36.127 --> 0:06:40.007 which originally started twenty years ago, culminated in getting married 0:06:40.047 --> 0:06:42.447 again two years ago, not once, but twice, once in 0:06:42.487 --> 0:06:46.767 Las Vegas, once in Georgia. She loves love, well, so 0:06:46.847 --> 0:06:49.087 does he. I think it's fair to say. I've seen 0:06:49.167 --> 0:06:51.647 that video of him Monrea when he is courting for 0:06:51.767 --> 0:06:55.607 love from he loved sex. Yes, and they got back together, 0:06:55.647 --> 0:06:59.727 and everybody was like, this is amazing, this is brilliant, 0:06:59.967 --> 0:07:02.367 truelove's triumph, all of those things. 0:07:02.447 --> 0:07:03.567 Why did they break up whole? 0:07:03.767 --> 0:07:06.047 Well, I know why you think they broke up. 0:07:06.327 --> 0:07:07.127 I pull it. 0:07:07.087 --> 0:07:08.127 All very squarely. 0:07:08.327 --> 0:07:08.967 Changed my mind. 0:07:09.007 --> 0:07:11.887 I know Ben so well. It's definitely his fault. 0:07:12.167 --> 0:07:14.767 I actually think it is. The easy read is that 0:07:15.047 --> 0:07:19.407 she wanted to be in the spotlight. She turned their 0:07:19.407 --> 0:07:23.247 relationship into content. She loved a red carpet. But none 0:07:23.287 --> 0:07:27.247 of that's new. I actually think that maybe it was him. 0:07:27.287 --> 0:07:29.647 He's well known to have suffered from addiction issues. 0:07:30.167 --> 0:07:32.927 What makes you think, Holly, that Jlo was dumped. Well, 0:07:33.847 --> 0:07:34.207 I don't know. 0:07:34.527 --> 0:07:34.927 You're right. 0:07:35.007 --> 0:07:37.207 I don't actually think that she was necessarily dumped. I 0:07:37.207 --> 0:07:39.407 think she was probably like, we can't do this anymore. 0:07:39.767 --> 0:07:42.967 But Ben affleck and again, this is such speculation, but 0:07:43.047 --> 0:07:45.807 it probably pokes something in me and lots of women. 0:07:45.847 --> 0:07:48.447 I know. He strikes me as the kind of guy 0:07:48.567 --> 0:07:50.047 who he loves it and he hates it. He loves 0:07:50.047 --> 0:07:50.567 it and he hates it. 0:07:50.607 --> 0:07:51.087 Do you know what I mean? 0:07:51.967 --> 0:07:57.127 He loves Jlo's jay lowness, but very often douchebag dudes. 0:07:57.127 --> 0:07:59.367 I'm just going to say it. The thing that attracts 0:07:59.407 --> 0:08:01.487 them to you is also the thing that repels them 0:08:01.487 --> 0:08:03.527 from you. And I reckon that he thought he could 0:08:03.527 --> 0:08:05.647 handle Jaelo, but he can't handle Jaylo. 0:08:06.207 --> 0:08:07.207 He's just not up to it. 0:08:07.247 --> 0:08:08.647 Her sun shines too brightly. 0:08:08.687 --> 0:08:09.127 He's not mad. 0:08:10.047 --> 0:08:13.127 I'm feeling very protective of my friend Jlo. I don't 0:08:13.127 --> 0:08:17.087 know what happened, but emotionally, I feel like I'm gravitating 0:08:17.127 --> 0:08:20.287 towards Jlo. I do, but I was apprehensive. I think 0:08:20.327 --> 0:08:23.647 that when we tell our love story, the love story 0:08:23.687 --> 0:08:26.127 of our life, to the world, the. 0:08:26.047 --> 0:08:28.367 Greatest love story never told that we've told a lot. 0:08:28.487 --> 0:08:30.767 Yeah, So I think that when we make our documentary, 0:08:30.807 --> 0:08:33.007 and when we also make our film and our album 0:08:33.047 --> 0:08:36.367 all about the love story, that it's bad to tell. 0:08:36.447 --> 0:08:39.287 I think it's bad juju. There seems to be We've 0:08:39.327 --> 0:08:42.927 talked about this before, an inverse correlation between how much 0:08:43.687 --> 0:08:46.967 we declare our love from the rooftops and maybe what's 0:08:47.007 --> 0:08:49.007 going on behind the scenes. I see this all the time, 0:08:49.047 --> 0:08:53.127 and I just think we gotta be careful because once 0:08:53.127 --> 0:08:56.407 we say I've found the love of my life, look 0:08:56.447 --> 0:08:58.807 at me. I'm finally happy. My whole life has led 0:08:58.847 --> 0:09:01.887 me to this moment to ben So can you say 0:09:01.967 --> 0:09:04.087 that out loud? I just think you're tempting fate. 0:09:04.607 --> 0:09:06.487 A source told people, and we all know that the 0:09:06.527 --> 0:09:09.567 sources who speak to people are really the celebrities. She 0:09:09.687 --> 0:09:12.567 tried really hard to make things work and is heartbroken, 0:09:12.967 --> 0:09:15.727 and I believe that. I think Jalo is heartbroken. I've 0:09:15.727 --> 0:09:17.807 seen her on a yacht this summer quite a lot, 0:09:17.847 --> 0:09:19.887 this northern summer, quite a lot. She was looking great 0:09:19.927 --> 0:09:22.287 in the swimsuit, drinking champagne on a yacht, but you 0:09:22.327 --> 0:09:24.287 could see any sadness in her eyes. 0:09:24.367 --> 0:09:27.007 What's interesting about Jlo is that I mean. The divorce 0:09:27.047 --> 0:09:29.767 papers show that the separation occurred on April twenty sixth, 0:09:29.767 --> 0:09:33.407 which was four months ago. She relaunched before she filed 0:09:33.647 --> 0:09:36.807 for divorce. Because it's been very interesting the way she's 0:09:36.807 --> 0:09:39.127 handled these few months. It's been summer in America, she's 0:09:39.127 --> 0:09:41.447 gone to the Hamptons, and she's done a lot of papwalks. Now, 0:09:41.807 --> 0:09:45.287 Jlo loves a papwalk. Nothing wrong with a papwalk. Explain 0:09:45.327 --> 0:09:46.127 what a papwork is. 0:09:46.207 --> 0:09:48.487 I might take issue that she's done a lot of papworks, 0:09:48.487 --> 0:09:51.887 but a papwalk is like a deliberate showing for the 0:09:51.887 --> 0:09:55.087 paparazzi where you either pre arrange it or you go 0:09:55.207 --> 0:09:57.487 somewhere that you know they're going to be. So, you know, 0:09:57.567 --> 0:09:59.487 if you're a famous person and you choose to go 0:09:59.607 --> 0:10:03.127 to the hot spot in the Hampton's for lunch where 0:10:03.127 --> 0:10:04.807 you know the photographers are going to be, then it's 0:10:04.807 --> 0:10:08.967 a very deliberate showing. But also cameras follow Jaylo around, 0:10:09.287 --> 0:10:11.807 especially right now while everyone thinks they're breaking up, they're like, 0:10:11.807 --> 0:10:15.367 where's she wears he? Any day you open a celebrity website, 0:10:15.407 --> 0:10:18.207 it'll say she's in La He's in New York. She's 0:10:18.247 --> 0:10:20.327 in Rome, he's in Blah Like there's been a j 0:10:20.447 --> 0:10:22.767 Loo Ben watch going on now for months. 0:10:22.807 --> 0:10:25.887 That's true, but celebrities of that level like Taylor Swift, 0:10:26.447 --> 0:10:32.887 Beyonce j Loo that perhaps only photograph you when you 0:10:33.007 --> 0:10:35.207 want them to kind of you cannot away them. And 0:10:35.287 --> 0:10:37.327 I'm not again, this sounds like I'm saying it's her 0:10:37.367 --> 0:10:40.087 fault or I just think it's a really interesting strategy 0:10:40.127 --> 0:10:43.527 and a very Jalo strategy, which I'm here for. She's 0:10:43.567 --> 0:10:45.527 trying to take control of the narrative. That's why I 0:10:45.567 --> 0:10:48.287 don't think it was her choice to end. I think 0:10:48.327 --> 0:10:50.727 it was his fault. As much as breakups can be 0:10:50.887 --> 0:10:53.967 one person's fault, sometimes they are. I think he crossed 0:10:53.967 --> 0:10:56.487 a line, whether it was cheating, whether it was addiction. 0:10:57.247 --> 0:10:59.487 I feel like maybe it was actually cheating, because I 0:10:59.527 --> 0:11:02.647 think with addiction, maybe she hung in already. I mean, 0:11:02.687 --> 0:11:05.247 we're literally gossiping stuff up. 0:11:05.327 --> 0:11:06.767 You don't think though, because this is going to be 0:11:06.767 --> 0:11:09.567 the dominant narrative everyone pedals, and that we've heard from 0:11:09.567 --> 0:11:13.327 the beginning is that poor Ben doesn't like the spotlight. 0:11:13.647 --> 0:11:16.647 He is such a misogynistic narrative that I was part of, 0:11:16.847 --> 0:11:17.847 and I have regrets. 0:11:18.327 --> 0:11:20.967 I do exactly what he was getting. Yeah, he waited 0:11:21.047 --> 0:11:23.567 us seventeen years ago, and that was the narrative that 0:11:23.647 --> 0:11:25.527 he spun over why they broke. 0:11:25.447 --> 0:11:26.047 Up that time. 0:11:26.207 --> 0:11:28.807 But and this is what that narrative will say. Even 0:11:28.887 --> 0:11:31.087 Jlo was like, we're going to do it differently this time. 0:11:31.247 --> 0:11:33.327 We learned a lot of lessons. It was the media 0:11:33.367 --> 0:11:37.127 that split us. That's what they both said about last time. 0:11:37.247 --> 0:11:40.327 And then then was on a podcast recently, like in 0:11:40.327 --> 0:11:44.047 the last month six weeks where he said, you can 0:11:44.207 --> 0:11:46.967 photograph me, you can photograph j Loo, but when you 0:11:46.967 --> 0:11:49.607 photograph my kids, you're crossing the line. He basically said 0:11:50.047 --> 0:11:53.527 that that was really upsetting him at the moment. So 0:11:53.647 --> 0:11:58.007 there will be a story and what we're essentially calling 0:11:58.207 --> 0:12:00.767 Jalo in that narrative as an attention seeker except. 0:12:00.527 --> 0:12:02.727 That his kids, and you're right, that was one of 0:12:02.727 --> 0:12:05.127 the narratives, except that his kids, who were very publicly 0:12:05.127 --> 0:12:08.527 with j Loo in the Hamptons since the breakup, and 0:12:08.687 --> 0:12:10.847 they also don't need to be photographed if they don't 0:12:10.847 --> 0:12:14.727 want to. So it's been really interesting watching everybody give 0:12:14.767 --> 0:12:18.807 their message by what photos they're in, where they are, 0:12:19.167 --> 0:12:19.767 who they're with. 0:12:20.167 --> 0:12:22.327 I'm not a poor Ben guy. I think he's a 0:12:22.447 --> 0:12:26.927 very talented, very tortured, probable pain in the ass to 0:12:26.967 --> 0:12:29.767 live with, like Jennifer Garner, like there is no one 0:12:29.807 --> 0:12:31.247 more delightful on the planet. 0:12:31.327 --> 0:12:33.927 What about that quote that she gave about him? And 0:12:33.967 --> 0:12:36.207 she's been very discreet since the divorce, but she said, 0:12:36.247 --> 0:12:40.287 to paraphrase, when Ben shines his light on you, it's 0:12:40.367 --> 0:12:44.367 warm and beautiful, but it's very cold in the shade. Yeah. 0:12:44.407 --> 0:12:46.487 And also the other thing about the narrative about the 0:12:46.487 --> 0:12:49.487 fame is it suggesse he has no agency, Like we 0:12:49.647 --> 0:12:52.207 keep talking about that documentary. He was a co producer 0:12:52.247 --> 0:12:54.687 on that documentary about their relationship. He chose to be 0:12:54.727 --> 0:12:56.327 in it. He didn't have to do any of that. 0:12:56.567 --> 0:12:58.607 As if we really think he was surprised to walk 0:12:58.607 --> 0:13:00.287 into his house and see them going through his love 0:13:00.327 --> 0:13:02.327 lit like, I don't buy it. Anyway, I have. 0:13:02.247 --> 0:13:04.647 One more question to ask just on Jloh and Ben, 0:13:04.847 --> 0:13:07.727 because everything we know about relationships is through the prism 0:13:07.767 --> 0:13:10.647 of benefit. I think we can agree that's true. And 0:13:10.687 --> 0:13:13.847 the age old question is does anyone ever really change? 0:13:14.367 --> 0:13:17.487 Because that was what everyone thought, is that they were 0:13:17.567 --> 0:13:19.727 each other's the love of their life. I heard that 0:13:19.767 --> 0:13:22.047 from their own mouth. The media broke them up the 0:13:22.047 --> 0:13:24.167 first time the second time, this was meant to mean. 0:13:24.407 --> 0:13:28.127 What we all learned from that was people can change. 0:13:28.527 --> 0:13:30.167 Maybe your ex is the love of your life. 0:13:30.207 --> 0:13:33.527 I think they have amazing sex, and I think that 0:13:33.527 --> 0:13:36.407 that can pluster over a lot, and it can also 0:13:36.567 --> 0:13:39.167 make you think that you feel a way that you 0:13:39.207 --> 0:13:42.247 don't or that you can overcome things that you perhaps 0:13:42.327 --> 0:13:45.847 couldn't before. The sex can be confusing. 0:13:47.967 --> 0:13:49.887 Georgia for the sex, like I don't buy. 0:13:49.847 --> 0:13:52.687 No, but I think it makes them think and feel 0:13:52.727 --> 0:13:55.647 a whole lot of things. But then eventually you're not 0:13:55.727 --> 0:13:58.167 having sex three times a day, and you've probably had 0:13:58.207 --> 0:14:01.847 some ut eyes, and you know, you can see things 0:14:01.847 --> 0:14:02.447 more clearly. 0:14:02.647 --> 0:14:05.167 Let's get away from the UTIs and back to celebrity 0:14:05.167 --> 0:14:08.567 break up wisdom. So a little story for out louders. 0:14:08.767 --> 0:14:10.447 One of the very. 0:14:10.327 --> 0:14:12.407 Talented people who works here at Mama Mia. She's called 0:14:12.447 --> 0:14:15.367 Live James. She was a social producer and she was 0:14:15.407 --> 0:14:16.967 at the logis on Sunday night. As you may have 0:14:17.007 --> 0:14:19.207 heard me or what she's barely talked about it. I 0:14:19.247 --> 0:14:23.047 don't know if you would know, but Live James was 0:14:23.087 --> 0:14:26.927 on the Red carpet, and unfortunately for Live, something had 0:14:26.967 --> 0:14:28.607 happened to her that morning that was not what she 0:14:28.687 --> 0:14:31.327 was expecting. Here's Live telling us what happened to her 0:14:31.407 --> 0:14:32.767 the morning of the logies. 0:14:32.967 --> 0:14:35.487 Okay, so basically, I was in this situationship with a 0:14:35.527 --> 0:14:37.567 guy that I'd been seeing for a little while and 0:14:37.607 --> 0:14:40.247 it was, you know, everything was going smoothly, but then 0:14:40.287 --> 0:14:43.247 it came to this abrupt ending that was quite brutal 0:14:43.367 --> 0:14:46.487 on the morning of the logis and I still had 0:14:46.487 --> 0:14:50.767 to rock up to work, and I thought to myself, 0:14:51.247 --> 0:14:55.007 what can I ask these celebrities that can help me 0:14:55.247 --> 0:14:57.167 and other people? And I was like, I'm just gonna 0:14:57.207 --> 0:14:59.407 ask them about my heartbreak, and then the head of 0:14:59.527 --> 0:15:01.727 entertainment was like, you should just tell them the story. 0:15:01.847 --> 0:15:04.567 So I was like, okay, and then all these celebrities 0:15:04.607 --> 0:15:07.127 started looking at me really like with the saddest eyes 0:15:07.167 --> 0:15:10.327 I've ever seen, honestly, but I got some good advice 0:15:10.887 --> 0:15:13.247 and ten worth it. 0:15:13.527 --> 0:15:15.367 So liv decided to ask. 0:15:15.487 --> 0:15:17.887 Because she's a professional, I need to put on the 0:15:17.927 --> 0:15:22.527 record speaking of Ben Affleck, douchebag move to dump your 0:15:22.567 --> 0:15:26.127 girlfriend on the morning of a very big professional so true. 0:15:26.167 --> 0:15:28.007 She had the logis that night could you not wait 0:15:28.087 --> 0:15:29.567 until the next but you could have. 0:15:29.727 --> 0:15:33.287 That's a bit of a narcissistic thing to do, anyway, live. 0:15:33.247 --> 0:15:38.047 That person has been dragged by every possibly should. 0:15:40.687 --> 0:15:44.727 This poor person anyway? So liv asked the famous people 0:15:44.927 --> 0:15:48.087 their advice to get over heartbreak. I hope Jayla's listening 0:15:48.087 --> 0:15:50.567 to this. Here's some of what the famous people said. 0:15:50.887 --> 0:15:52.647 You're so much as my daughter. 0:15:55.487 --> 0:15:59.527 Sious relationship at five. Do not look at another person 0:15:59.607 --> 0:16:02.007 until you're thirty five minimum. 0:16:02.967 --> 0:16:04.727 From what you learn from it, and if you grow 0:16:04.767 --> 0:16:05.767 from it, that's awesome. 0:16:06.407 --> 0:16:07.687 Don't take your baggage. 0:16:07.287 --> 0:16:08.247 Into the next one. 0:16:08.687 --> 0:16:10.527 Does run up this guy that's just letting me up 0:16:10.527 --> 0:16:13.407 there tonight. Yeah, I'll be short term sad. And it's 0:16:13.487 --> 0:16:15.687 nice to be short term sad if it meant something 0:16:15.687 --> 0:16:15.887 to you. 0:16:16.287 --> 0:16:16.767 If you're not. 0:16:16.847 --> 0:16:20.247 Sad means the relationship meant nothing, which is actually a 0:16:20.327 --> 0:16:20.927 terrible thing. 0:16:21.007 --> 0:16:24.367 Do you know what. It always feels like shit now, 0:16:25.047 --> 0:16:27.487 but it just gets better. I've got a quote from 0:16:27.527 --> 0:16:28.567 Winston Churchill. 0:16:30.527 --> 0:16:35.207 If you ever find yourself going through hell, just keep going. 0:16:35.367 --> 0:16:36.967 Yeah, worthy of you. 0:16:36.967 --> 0:16:40.407 You do your thing, You treat yourself fine, and you 0:16:40.447 --> 0:16:41.127 get on the flow. 0:16:41.407 --> 0:16:44.367 That's something you don't want to hear time see the 0:16:44.407 --> 0:16:47.767 only thing in my experience. 0:16:47.247 --> 0:16:47.927 They're really here. 0:16:48.407 --> 0:16:50.847 So James Stewart is the last voice you heard there, 0:16:51.047 --> 0:16:53.887 who was walking in a very benefit moment. He was 0:16:53.927 --> 0:16:56.247 walking the red carpet for the first time with Aida 0:16:56.327 --> 0:16:59.047 Nicodemi on his arm. Who's in that ladder? Hiada? She 0:16:59.127 --> 0:17:00.887 was very excited to see live and they gave some 0:17:00.887 --> 0:17:02.927 good advice. What he said after that, though, was something 0:17:02.927 --> 0:17:07.007 about getting drunk, which I think is also fine. Do 0:17:07.087 --> 0:17:09.447 celebrities know a lot about break up wisdom? Were the 0:17:09.527 --> 0:17:11.327 best there? And what would yours be? Mare freedom? 0:17:11.967 --> 0:17:15.607 The advice that I gave live at the Logis where 0:17:15.647 --> 0:17:20.167 I was. 0:17:18.127 --> 0:17:21.287 Was as a famous person, as a celebrity. Some might 0:17:21.367 --> 0:17:22.207 say the. 0:17:22.167 --> 0:17:25.247 Only interview I did no one else did, and it's 0:17:25.247 --> 0:17:28.567 only because I'm live boss and ask me questions. But 0:17:28.647 --> 0:17:30.087 the advice I gave was you get a fringe. 0:17:30.207 --> 0:17:31.247 I'm glad you didn't say that. 0:17:31.407 --> 0:17:33.767 You should have done locked at a Really seriously, did 0:17:33.767 --> 0:17:34.927 you need to bring your personal life? 0:17:35.367 --> 0:17:39.327 That's like true boundaries leave boundaries. I yes, said get 0:17:39.327 --> 0:17:42.527 a fringe and get a haircut due and also buy 0:17:42.607 --> 0:17:45.567 clothes for your feelings, because I think when you look 0:17:45.567 --> 0:17:48.567 in the mirror. You want to see someone different to 0:17:48.687 --> 0:17:52.447 the person who was in that relationship and who got dumped, 0:17:52.887 --> 0:17:54.887 and I think that that is always a good thing. 0:17:55.047 --> 0:17:57.847 I need to prosecute the hair comment because I reckon 0:17:57.847 --> 0:17:59.327 if you go to the hairdresser, we don't get a 0:17:59.327 --> 0:18:02.007 fringe and you say, give me a fringe and give 0:18:02.007 --> 0:18:06.167 me a pixie cart, I think the hairdresser is legally 0:18:06.207 --> 0:18:10.047 obliged to say, have you been doump in the last 0:18:10.047 --> 0:18:11.767 twenty four to forty eight hours, and if you say yes, 0:18:11.767 --> 0:18:12.647 and they have to say. 0:18:12.447 --> 0:18:14.607 No, I think you just need to say, very good point, Jess. 0:18:14.807 --> 0:18:16.887 You need to say I need a break up, haircut 0:18:16.927 --> 0:18:19.367 and a hairdress A good hairdresser understands what that means. 0:18:19.567 --> 0:18:24.127 It understands explicitly, not give me a pixie cut or 0:18:24.167 --> 0:18:26.527 a fringe. I was joking about the fringe kind of 0:18:26.567 --> 0:18:28.807 but it means that you need to glow up. 0:18:29.887 --> 0:18:32.247