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Speaker 2: Hey, I'm Taylor Strano. This is Mumma MIA's twice daily

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Speaker 2: news podcast, The Quickie. Okay, I'll be the first to

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Speaker 2: out quite a few of you are actually guilty of

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Speaker 2: But just how many of us are actually neurodivergent and

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Speaker 2: time online Before we get there, Here's Claire Murphy with

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Speaker 2: the latest from the Quickie newsroom for Tuesday, April twenty two.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Taylor. The cause of death for eighty eight year

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Speaker 1: He then experienced irreversible cardio circulatory collapse. The Pope had

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Speaker 1: statement saying Pope Francis passionately decried views and actions contrary

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Speaker 2: Thanks Claire. Next, why everyone on your for you page

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Speaker 2: Look, you're not alone. Videos with ADHD related hashtags have

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Speaker 2: As we know, ADHD, or attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, is

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Speaker 2: and waiting lists for assessments have blown out, with some

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Speaker 4: TikTok kind of makes it easy for people to gain

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Speaker 2: It's interesting because we have a similar situation here in Australia.

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Speaker 2: When people start to pick up on others content about ADHD.

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Speaker 4: time with other things like depression or anxiety that have

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Speaker 4: problem is when all those things are conflated, people might

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Speaker 2: They only show the funny or the humor aside. Is

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Speaker 4: So this is very possible. We found that when we

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Speaker 4: biggest budget that we were filling up were things that

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Speaker 4: are better explained as part of the normal human experience,

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Speaker 4: like really liking the office, or isn't it the same

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Speaker 4: in our stad we also found that people who consumed

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Speaker 4: With ADHD, what we think is happening is that up

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Speaker 4: might notice making more of those mistakes more often and

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Speaker 2: How concerned should we be then, with people self diagnosing

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Speaker 4: So the main concern then is people are not going

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Speaker 4: helps people get the help that they need, by any means,

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Speaker 2: So for people who are listening and thinking, oh yeah,

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Speaker 4: likely tapping into something very real in your own life

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Speaker 4: that you need support and help. And importantly, mental health

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Speaker 4: existent a spectrum. It's not like the moment you check

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Speaker 4: regardless of a dagnasis status, I would say, go out

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