1 00:00:10,705 --> 00:00:15,385 Speaker 1: You're listening to Amma Mia podcast. Mamma Mia acknowledges the 2 00:00:15,425 --> 00:00:18,545 Speaker 1: traditional owners of land and waters that this podcast is 3 00:00:18,585 --> 00:00:23,825 Speaker 1: recorded on. Whoever said Orange is a new pink with seriously. 4 00:00:23,425 --> 00:00:27,865 Speaker 2: Disturbed laurels for spraying groundbreaking? Oh my god, you have 5 00:00:27,945 --> 00:00:29,745 Speaker 2: to do it. You live for fashion. 6 00:00:30,745 --> 00:00:33,625 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Nothing to Wear, the podcast that 7 00:00:33,705 --> 00:00:37,185 Speaker 1: solves fashion problems and levels up your wardrobe. I'm Lee 8 00:00:37,305 --> 00:00:39,945 Speaker 1: Campbell and every week I talk to an expert who 9 00:00:40,025 --> 00:00:42,065 Speaker 1: helps us work out how to get more out of 10 00:00:42,065 --> 00:00:44,345 Speaker 1: the clothes we already own and tells us what is 11 00:00:44,385 --> 00:00:47,385 Speaker 1: and isn't worth adding to our wardrobes. Our guest today 12 00:00:47,465 --> 00:00:50,585 Speaker 1: is Pip Brett, the founder and owner of the award 13 00:00:50,625 --> 00:00:55,065 Speaker 1: winning store Jumbled in Orange, New South Wales. What began 14 00:00:55,145 --> 00:00:58,065 Speaker 1: as a small homewares store in twenty thirteen has evolved 15 00:00:58,065 --> 00:01:02,425 Speaker 1: into a destination concept store. It beautifully merges fashion, homewares 16 00:01:02,505 --> 00:01:06,225 Speaker 1: and even has a cafe. With a Bachelor of Design background, 17 00:01:06,265 --> 00:01:09,465 Speaker 1: and as a second generation retailer, Pip has really carved 18 00:01:09,505 --> 00:01:12,785 Speaker 1: out a distinctive niche that draws visitors from all across 19 00:01:12,825 --> 00:01:15,985 Speaker 1: Australia to her curated world. And today I'm going to 20 00:01:16,025 --> 00:01:18,705 Speaker 1: ask pep all about her love for color and how 21 00:01:18,745 --> 00:01:21,265 Speaker 1: those of us who are a little intimidated by it 22 00:01:21,265 --> 00:01:25,865 Speaker 1: can inject some into our wardrobes. Pip, firstly, welcome to 23 00:01:25,905 --> 00:01:28,905 Speaker 1: the show. And secondly, your background is hands down the 24 00:01:28,945 --> 00:01:32,465 Speaker 1: best background I've ever had on a virtual guest. That's 25 00:01:32,505 --> 00:01:33,945 Speaker 1: your real home. 26 00:01:34,225 --> 00:01:36,145 Speaker 2: That's my real home. Thanksfully. 27 00:01:36,505 --> 00:01:38,665 Speaker 1: You need to take a photo and sell that backdrop 28 00:01:38,665 --> 00:01:41,265 Speaker 1: on Zoom, because oh my god, it's beautiful. Now listen, 29 00:01:41,265 --> 00:01:44,345 Speaker 1: we're going to get into your world in orange, jumbled 30 00:01:44,345 --> 00:01:46,785 Speaker 1: and color in a moment. But I ask new guests 31 00:01:46,945 --> 00:01:49,945 Speaker 1: the same two questions. First, can you describe your style 32 00:01:49,985 --> 00:01:50,905 Speaker 1: in three words? 33 00:01:51,185 --> 00:01:56,785 Speaker 3: I would say color, playful, and maybe like a sneadge ridiculous. 34 00:01:57,025 --> 00:02:00,825 Speaker 3: I think when I'm in my store, in my habitat, 35 00:02:01,025 --> 00:02:02,825 Speaker 3: people go, oh my god, you matched so well. But 36 00:02:02,865 --> 00:02:05,625 Speaker 3: when I'm at my kids basketball, I do look a 37 00:02:05,745 --> 00:02:07,825 Speaker 3: tad ridiculous, but they don't seem to care. 38 00:02:07,985 --> 00:02:10,145 Speaker 1: I love that we've not had ridiculous before, and that 39 00:02:10,265 --> 00:02:14,505 Speaker 1: is so fun. Now they say that we wear roughly 40 00:02:14,545 --> 00:02:16,505 Speaker 1: ten percent of what we've got in our ardrobe ninety 41 00:02:16,505 --> 00:02:18,785 Speaker 1: percent of the time, so there's stuff we just love 42 00:02:18,985 --> 00:02:21,265 Speaker 1: pull out. I wonder if this is relevant for you. 43 00:02:21,305 --> 00:02:23,345 Speaker 1: But anyway, the stuff we reach for more than the 44 00:02:23,345 --> 00:02:25,185 Speaker 1: other stuff, what is that stuff for you? 45 00:02:25,905 --> 00:02:30,265 Speaker 3: It's totally relevant for me. I always reach for dresses. 46 00:02:30,585 --> 00:02:33,745 Speaker 3: I love dresses that they're one thing I put on. 47 00:02:34,185 --> 00:02:36,425 Speaker 3: They're fabulous, they're a bit fun, they might be quite 48 00:02:36,425 --> 00:02:39,665 Speaker 3: special dresses. I try not to save things for special occasions. 49 00:02:39,665 --> 00:02:41,785 Speaker 3: I try and wear them all the time because life's 50 00:02:41,905 --> 00:02:46,705 Speaker 3: the special occasion. But yeah, dresses, there's like Alime cerely 51 00:02:46,825 --> 00:02:49,545 Speaker 3: b Palm now, so they'm my go tos and I 52 00:02:49,625 --> 00:02:50,505 Speaker 3: don't have to think. 53 00:02:50,985 --> 00:02:53,425 Speaker 1: When prepping for this episode, I had Alime in the 54 00:02:53,425 --> 00:02:55,425 Speaker 1: back of my head all the time because that's one 55 00:02:55,425 --> 00:02:57,545 Speaker 1: of the most colorful brands I know. So I kind 56 00:02:57,545 --> 00:03:00,425 Speaker 1: of know you. Now we're going to talk about you, 57 00:03:00,425 --> 00:03:02,705 Speaker 1: your store and your love of color. I have to 58 00:03:02,705 --> 00:03:04,705 Speaker 1: tell you I went to Orange. I've only been to 59 00:03:04,745 --> 00:03:06,705 Speaker 1: Orange once because it's kind of like four hours out 60 00:03:06,745 --> 00:03:09,865 Speaker 1: of Sydney. It's that extra for a long weekend. But 61 00:03:09,905 --> 00:03:11,425 Speaker 1: the truth is I wanted to go to Jumble to 62 00:03:11,425 --> 00:03:14,465 Speaker 1: your beautiful store. And I went in and it was 63 00:03:14,505 --> 00:03:16,905 Speaker 1: as joyful as I'd heard and seen. And I bought 64 00:03:16,945 --> 00:03:19,025 Speaker 1: towels and I bought clothes, and when I came back 65 00:03:19,025 --> 00:03:20,545 Speaker 1: to the car, I think my toddler at the time 66 00:03:20,545 --> 00:03:22,425 Speaker 1: was napping, so my husband's had to stay in the 67 00:03:22,425 --> 00:03:24,865 Speaker 1: car and he goes color and I'm not really a 68 00:03:24,905 --> 00:03:27,825 Speaker 1: colorful person, but it was just so infectious, the beautiful 69 00:03:27,985 --> 00:03:31,425 Speaker 1: stock that you have. So congratulations on such an amazing destination. 70 00:03:32,305 --> 00:03:35,865 Speaker 1: And tell me how did Jumble come about and how 71 00:03:35,865 --> 00:03:38,185 Speaker 1: did it get to where it is now? It's an institution. 72 00:03:38,385 --> 00:03:42,345 Speaker 2: Really, I'm the daughter of a failed minimalist. 73 00:03:42,785 --> 00:03:46,425 Speaker 3: My mother loves color, and colour's kind of been that 74 00:03:46,625 --> 00:03:49,585 Speaker 3: continual in my whole life. So shared a clothing store 75 00:03:49,705 --> 00:03:52,665 Speaker 3: for twenty five years. He is now an artist and 76 00:03:52,705 --> 00:03:55,225 Speaker 3: we sell her work at the shop. I studied fashion 77 00:03:55,265 --> 00:03:58,345 Speaker 3: at UNI, but when I finished, I opened a clothing store. 78 00:03:58,425 --> 00:04:01,705 Speaker 3: So I started with fashion first and I think that's 79 00:04:01,745 --> 00:04:05,305 Speaker 3: been going for about nineteen years. And then Jumbled is 80 00:04:05,345 --> 00:04:08,745 Speaker 3: where we introduced home whares because I bought a home 81 00:04:08,825 --> 00:04:11,625 Speaker 3: and I realized I loved home weares as much as 82 00:04:11,665 --> 00:04:14,425 Speaker 3: I loved fashion. So it's all just under one roof 83 00:04:14,625 --> 00:04:18,385 Speaker 3: everything that I love all together, coffee, fashion, home color. 84 00:04:18,785 --> 00:04:21,385 Speaker 3: It started off as a really baby store and it's 85 00:04:21,425 --> 00:04:25,385 Speaker 3: grown into a massive, massive, store, And I think social 86 00:04:25,465 --> 00:04:29,425 Speaker 3: media and online has really been so pivotal in our growth, 87 00:04:29,465 --> 00:04:32,585 Speaker 3: and Orange is just a really cool place. It's always 88 00:04:32,665 --> 00:04:35,945 Speaker 3: been cool, but I think every year we're getting more 89 00:04:35,945 --> 00:04:38,985 Speaker 3: and more things. So I think Jumbled sort of been 90 00:04:39,025 --> 00:04:41,065 Speaker 3: put on the map, which is super exciting. 91 00:04:41,545 --> 00:04:43,825 Speaker 1: I reckon that you put Orange on the map with Jumbled, 92 00:04:43,865 --> 00:04:45,865 Speaker 1: I've got to say, I really do. So. I loved 93 00:04:45,905 --> 00:04:47,865 Speaker 1: your three words, and I do want to elaborate a 94 00:04:47,905 --> 00:04:50,465 Speaker 1: bit more on your love of color. So your mum's 95 00:04:50,505 --> 00:04:53,465 Speaker 1: a failed minimalist? Is it because you were around it 96 00:04:53,505 --> 00:04:55,385 Speaker 1: when you were young? Have you always just been drawn 97 00:04:55,465 --> 00:04:57,425 Speaker 1: to it? Have you ever been scared of it? Because 98 00:04:57,425 --> 00:04:59,785 Speaker 1: I'm not scared of it. It just feels hard. 99 00:05:00,465 --> 00:05:03,305 Speaker 3: It doesn't feel hard. It just feels like a natural, 100 00:05:03,465 --> 00:05:07,385 Speaker 3: innate thing in me that I just love color. And 101 00:05:07,465 --> 00:05:09,345 Speaker 3: I don't mean color for colour's sake. 102 00:05:09,785 --> 00:05:10,225 Speaker 2: I don't. 103 00:05:10,465 --> 00:05:12,705 Speaker 3: I am looking a little bit like a rainbow today, 104 00:05:12,785 --> 00:05:16,665 Speaker 3: but my house is colorful. But colour is used in 105 00:05:16,705 --> 00:05:19,465 Speaker 3: a really smart way. There's such a science to it. Yeah, 106 00:05:19,505 --> 00:05:22,825 Speaker 3: I feel like colour comes quite naturally, but I know. 107 00:05:22,825 --> 00:05:24,785 Speaker 2: That for lots of people it doesn't. 108 00:05:25,145 --> 00:05:28,985 Speaker 3: So like my greatest joy is when I show people 109 00:05:29,345 --> 00:05:31,705 Speaker 3: how to wear color or show them a color that 110 00:05:31,865 --> 00:05:33,865 Speaker 3: just like lifts them instantly. 111 00:05:34,305 --> 00:05:35,745 Speaker 2: Color is super powerful. 112 00:05:35,905 --> 00:05:37,945 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a skill. It's like you can sing or 113 00:05:37,985 --> 00:05:40,225 Speaker 1: you can't. I don't know. It's like something that you're 114 00:05:40,265 --> 00:05:42,345 Speaker 1: born with. I mean, of course you can learn. But 115 00:05:42,465 --> 00:05:44,745 Speaker 1: if you're really passionate about it and you love it, 116 00:05:44,785 --> 00:05:46,625 Speaker 1: I think you're naturally good at it. But you're right. 117 00:05:46,705 --> 00:05:49,345 Speaker 1: You know your interiors and everything I see on your 118 00:05:49,385 --> 00:05:52,505 Speaker 1: amazing Instagram it's colorful, but it's curated. It's not just 119 00:05:52,585 --> 00:05:56,105 Speaker 1: a rainbow vomit. Let's talk about how you help people then, 120 00:05:56,145 --> 00:05:58,945 Speaker 1: because I typically stick to neutrals, and you help people 121 00:05:58,945 --> 00:06:02,145 Speaker 1: incorporate color. So how do you do that? I mean, 122 00:06:02,185 --> 00:06:04,825 Speaker 1: obviously physically in a store it's a bit easier, but 123 00:06:04,905 --> 00:06:07,665 Speaker 1: for listeners listening, where do we start? 124 00:06:08,345 --> 00:06:10,705 Speaker 3: Even when you're in a store, don't even need to 125 00:06:10,785 --> 00:06:13,465 Speaker 3: try the peace on if you don't want hold it 126 00:06:13,545 --> 00:06:16,665 Speaker 3: up to your face and look in the mirror. Like knitwear, 127 00:06:16,785 --> 00:06:19,145 Speaker 3: at the moment is a really good place to add 128 00:06:19,185 --> 00:06:23,265 Speaker 3: some color into your wardrobe. Put it up to your face, 129 00:06:23,385 --> 00:06:27,625 Speaker 3: and when you find that color that lifts you, your 130 00:06:27,665 --> 00:06:33,265 Speaker 3: whole face changes, and it's super amazing. When you find 131 00:06:33,505 --> 00:06:36,105 Speaker 3: that thing and it's not just one color that's going 132 00:06:36,145 --> 00:06:40,025 Speaker 3: to suit you. And don't discount a whole color because 133 00:06:40,065 --> 00:06:42,545 Speaker 3: someone said, oh, you can never wear yellow, Because I 134 00:06:42,665 --> 00:06:44,225 Speaker 3: bet you there's a yellow that. 135 00:06:44,185 --> 00:06:44,745 Speaker 2: You can wear. 136 00:06:44,865 --> 00:06:47,545 Speaker 3: It might be a buttery soft yellow, or it might 137 00:06:47,585 --> 00:06:50,225 Speaker 3: be a neon, or it might be a mustard. I 138 00:06:50,305 --> 00:06:54,425 Speaker 3: so agree different tonal levels that you can explore, and 139 00:06:54,505 --> 00:06:58,145 Speaker 3: you just don't know if you don't try. But sometimes 140 00:06:58,185 --> 00:07:02,465 Speaker 3: you need to let a shop assistant guide you. And 141 00:07:02,665 --> 00:07:07,105 Speaker 3: not everyone's created equal, but sometimes just try because you 142 00:07:07,225 --> 00:07:09,945 Speaker 3: never know. And when you try that color, you will 143 00:07:09,985 --> 00:07:11,865 Speaker 3: get so many compliments. 144 00:07:12,025 --> 00:07:13,905 Speaker 1: Yeah, I so agree with you because it's a spectrum 145 00:07:13,905 --> 00:07:15,865 Speaker 1: obviously for colors. But I've had people say to me 146 00:07:15,905 --> 00:07:17,185 Speaker 1: in the past, oh, you look really good in this 147 00:07:17,225 --> 00:07:20,105 Speaker 1: color or something about color, and it sticks with you subconsciously, 148 00:07:20,145 --> 00:07:22,065 Speaker 1: and then I'm like, why am I avoiding that? And 149 00:07:22,145 --> 00:07:25,065 Speaker 1: also my tastes have changed in my twenties. I might 150 00:07:25,105 --> 00:07:26,905 Speaker 1: have avoided certain colors and now I try them on 151 00:07:26,945 --> 00:07:29,305 Speaker 1: and I feel joyful, I look great. So if you 152 00:07:29,345 --> 00:07:31,865 Speaker 1: avoided it before, it's worth giving it another go. 153 00:07:32,145 --> 00:07:35,625 Speaker 3: And I think even with your hair color changing, our 154 00:07:35,705 --> 00:07:38,945 Speaker 3: skin changing, the season's changing. I think back in the 155 00:07:39,025 --> 00:07:43,465 Speaker 3: eighties and nineties being a color consultant. Remember they'd rest 156 00:07:43,545 --> 00:07:45,585 Speaker 3: and you see it a little bit on Instagram. Now 157 00:07:45,865 --> 00:07:49,265 Speaker 3: back again, bring an autumn or winto Mum was a 158 00:07:49,385 --> 00:07:53,385 Speaker 3: fully qualified one of those, and lots of women will 159 00:07:53,505 --> 00:07:56,665 Speaker 3: carry those color swatches in their handbag and say, no, no, 160 00:07:56,665 --> 00:07:58,545 Speaker 3: I'm not going to try that on. I'm an autumn, 161 00:07:58,945 --> 00:08:01,945 Speaker 3: and then I wouldn't try on this beautiful springy green. 162 00:08:02,345 --> 00:08:04,545 Speaker 2: But I'm like, give it a go, because I think 163 00:08:04,545 --> 00:08:06,705 Speaker 2: it does change over time. 164 00:08:06,945 --> 00:08:08,905 Speaker 1: And even if it's not in your little flip book, 165 00:08:08,945 --> 00:08:10,585 Speaker 1: if it brings you joy, wear it. 166 00:08:10,865 --> 00:08:12,585 Speaker 2: One hundred percent one hundred percent. 167 00:08:12,745 --> 00:08:14,865 Speaker 1: But then it gets harder because we've held up something 168 00:08:14,865 --> 00:08:16,785 Speaker 1: to our face and it's a top, it's not a dress. 169 00:08:16,905 --> 00:08:21,105 Speaker 1: Then we're talking color combinations. You are so good at combinations. 170 00:08:21,745 --> 00:08:25,505 Speaker 1: I am okay. I get a lot of inspo from Pinterest. 171 00:08:25,545 --> 00:08:28,585 Speaker 1: So how do you know when colors quote unquote go together? 172 00:08:29,025 --> 00:08:34,785 Speaker 3: I sometimes think the most interesting outfits and also interiors, 173 00:08:35,185 --> 00:08:38,105 Speaker 3: so coloring general are those that are put together that 174 00:08:38,185 --> 00:08:42,065 Speaker 3: don't not typically seem to go together. There's a weird 175 00:08:42,265 --> 00:08:44,625 Speaker 3: coloring there that shouldn't really work but it looks so 176 00:08:44,745 --> 00:08:47,265 Speaker 3: good together. In talking about the yellow again, like maybe 177 00:08:47,265 --> 00:08:51,665 Speaker 3: that buttery soft yellow with a really warm pink magenta 178 00:08:51,905 --> 00:08:55,665 Speaker 3: with a heit of red, you know, something like that 179 00:08:55,745 --> 00:08:56,505 Speaker 3: looks so great. 180 00:08:56,585 --> 00:08:57,505 Speaker 2: Or pink and green. 181 00:08:57,585 --> 00:08:59,905 Speaker 3: They used to say pink and green should never be seen, 182 00:08:59,985 --> 00:09:03,105 Speaker 3: but it looks so together. So I think when things 183 00:09:03,385 --> 00:09:06,465 Speaker 3: shouldn't go together, and that they do, I think that's 184 00:09:06,545 --> 00:09:10,585 Speaker 3: really exciting. But I also love color blocking. Color blocking 185 00:09:10,585 --> 00:09:13,785 Speaker 3: a whole outfit using the same tone of color that 186 00:09:13,905 --> 00:09:16,065 Speaker 3: may be playing with textures and tones. 187 00:09:16,185 --> 00:09:20,145 Speaker 1: Okay, so that's like an all blue outfit, but it's different. Yeah, 188 00:09:20,145 --> 00:09:23,745 Speaker 1: textures and slightly different, but kind of all look uniform 189 00:09:24,425 --> 00:09:27,065 Speaker 1: so beautiful. So how do we do that? Say we've 190 00:09:27,105 --> 00:09:29,145 Speaker 1: got a skirt at home we love and it's a color. 191 00:09:29,225 --> 00:09:31,105 Speaker 1: Do we take that with a shopping and then try 192 00:09:31,145 --> 00:09:33,945 Speaker 1: on tops that we just wouldn't normally with that? I 193 00:09:33,985 --> 00:09:37,305 Speaker 1: do have colorful pieces, but putting them together is hard 194 00:09:37,585 --> 00:09:39,265 Speaker 1: and more of an online shopper, but I guess I 195 00:09:39,305 --> 00:09:42,545 Speaker 1: should go to the shops, take it with me and 196 00:09:42,585 --> 00:09:43,665 Speaker 1: see how it is irl. 197 00:09:44,145 --> 00:09:46,505 Speaker 3: I think it is so good to go to a shop, 198 00:09:46,705 --> 00:09:49,465 Speaker 3: and I love it when people bring the item and 199 00:09:49,505 --> 00:09:52,545 Speaker 3: then at least you know it looks amazing with it 200 00:09:52,585 --> 00:09:54,185 Speaker 3: and you can be sure you don't have to go 201 00:09:54,265 --> 00:09:57,585 Speaker 3: back and return it. Online shopping is great. But things 202 00:09:57,665 --> 00:10:01,225 Speaker 3: that I see online or that I buy for the store, 203 00:10:01,465 --> 00:10:03,545 Speaker 3: and then when they come in they may not look 204 00:10:03,545 --> 00:10:03,945 Speaker 3: as good. 205 00:10:04,385 --> 00:10:06,065 Speaker 2: They may not look good on me at all. 206 00:10:06,465 --> 00:10:09,145 Speaker 3: I say, go back to the shops and give you 207 00:10:09,145 --> 00:10:12,385 Speaker 3: go beg because you know, there is such a joy 208 00:10:12,665 --> 00:10:15,665 Speaker 3: in the adventure of shopping. I think we've gotten that 209 00:10:15,745 --> 00:10:19,145 Speaker 3: a lot at our store. We work really, really hard. 210 00:10:19,665 --> 00:10:22,865 Speaker 3: Some people may see it as quite a traumatic process, 211 00:10:22,905 --> 00:10:25,745 Speaker 3: and I get it, We've all got hang ups. Everyone does. 212 00:10:25,985 --> 00:10:29,705 Speaker 3: But I love it when people walk out feeling amazing, 213 00:10:29,905 --> 00:10:34,385 Speaker 3: looking good. Because when you feel amazing in what you're wearing, 214 00:10:34,585 --> 00:10:38,785 Speaker 3: you walk differently, react to you differently, you talk differently. 215 00:10:39,065 --> 00:10:42,345 Speaker 3: It's like a magic there's just something the stars align 216 00:10:42,505 --> 00:10:46,745 Speaker 3: and you feel fabulous on that day. Especially now with 217 00:10:46,825 --> 00:10:49,945 Speaker 3: the change in denim silhouettes and the change in season, 218 00:10:50,025 --> 00:10:54,585 Speaker 3: it's a really good time to explore different looks, silhouettes 219 00:10:54,625 --> 00:10:55,585 Speaker 3: and colors for you. 220 00:10:55,665 --> 00:10:57,745 Speaker 1: I couldn't agree more. And I think we jump online 221 00:10:57,745 --> 00:10:59,545 Speaker 1: and shop because we think it's efficient, but then it 222 00:10:59,585 --> 00:11:01,265 Speaker 1: turns up and it's not right, and then you got 223 00:11:01,265 --> 00:11:03,145 Speaker 1: to return. You know, maybe if you can just carve 224 00:11:03,185 --> 00:11:04,865 Speaker 1: out some time and like you say, if you're going 225 00:11:04,945 --> 00:11:07,025 Speaker 1: to step out of your cump zone with shapes or 226 00:11:07,025 --> 00:11:10,025 Speaker 1: with colors, do it irl and then you can make 227 00:11:10,065 --> 00:11:11,905 Speaker 1: that decision and see it in real life and it's 228 00:11:11,945 --> 00:11:13,225 Speaker 1: probably more efficient that way. 229 00:11:13,785 --> 00:11:14,585 Speaker 2: One hundred percent. 230 00:11:14,785 --> 00:11:19,305 Speaker 3: And even like yesterday, I just kept this most amazing 231 00:11:19,545 --> 00:11:24,145 Speaker 3: American vintage neon green knit and I am usually small, 232 00:11:24,425 --> 00:11:26,705 Speaker 3: but I decided to go the medium. I tried that 233 00:11:26,825 --> 00:11:28,505 Speaker 3: on and I was like, I love the feit of 234 00:11:28,505 --> 00:11:30,585 Speaker 3: that more and I love the color. I wouldn't have 235 00:11:30,625 --> 00:11:32,465 Speaker 3: bought the color until I tried it on. 236 00:11:32,585 --> 00:11:34,105 Speaker 2: I was like, I have to have that. But I 237 00:11:34,145 --> 00:11:35,825 Speaker 2: think there's a lot to be said. 238 00:11:35,665 --> 00:11:48,385 Speaker 3: For trying on different sizes as well. 239 00:11:48,585 --> 00:11:52,105 Speaker 1: Do you plan your outfits? Because you always look colorful 240 00:11:52,105 --> 00:11:55,985 Speaker 1: and joyful but effortless and just amazing. Do you plan 241 00:11:56,065 --> 00:11:59,025 Speaker 1: out your outfits or does your personality pick every morning? 242 00:12:00,105 --> 00:12:03,065 Speaker 2: I one hundred percent do not plan my outfit. 243 00:12:03,225 --> 00:12:06,545 Speaker 3: I stand at my wardrobe in my beige brow undies 244 00:12:07,105 --> 00:12:10,825 Speaker 3: and decide on the moment, with ten minutes to be 245 00:12:10,865 --> 00:12:14,465 Speaker 3: out the door, my wardrobe is full of pieces that 246 00:12:15,385 --> 00:12:19,825 Speaker 3: I have tried on and I adore and I must have. 247 00:12:20,385 --> 00:12:23,465 Speaker 3: They're not following a trend, They're just pieces that I 248 00:12:23,745 --> 00:12:26,865 Speaker 3: just have to have. And my wardrobe looks really fun 249 00:12:26,905 --> 00:12:30,945 Speaker 3: and exciting. But I'm definitely dictated by my mood and 250 00:12:31,305 --> 00:12:34,065 Speaker 3: I want to go to work dressed like I'm going 251 00:12:34,105 --> 00:12:37,585 Speaker 3: to a party because I feel like that makes the 252 00:12:37,625 --> 00:12:40,265 Speaker 3: people around me feel good as well, and my staff 253 00:12:40,305 --> 00:12:42,945 Speaker 3: do the same thing. And I'm also dictated by what's 254 00:12:43,065 --> 00:12:46,025 Speaker 3: ironed as well. I'm not dining, so I'm like, I 255 00:12:46,025 --> 00:12:47,865 Speaker 3: would love to wear that, but I need to iron it. 256 00:12:47,985 --> 00:12:50,945 Speaker 1: So at the honesty, I am the same. I'm like, oh, 257 00:12:50,945 --> 00:12:53,425 Speaker 1: the steamer's downstairs, you're staying in the wardrobe. But I 258 00:12:53,465 --> 00:12:55,985 Speaker 1: love that. I think you have a very distinct personal 259 00:12:56,025 --> 00:12:58,025 Speaker 1: style but it's not labored over and that you can 260 00:12:58,065 --> 00:13:00,265 Speaker 1: just go to that area and go. I love all 261 00:13:00,265 --> 00:13:02,705 Speaker 1: of this. I'm going to check on whatever and it's 262 00:13:02,865 --> 00:13:07,305 Speaker 1: very you. So do you see any differences in purchases 263 00:13:07,345 --> 00:13:10,025 Speaker 1: and shoppers across generations when it comes to fat that 264 00:13:10,065 --> 00:13:10,745 Speaker 1: come to Jumbled. 265 00:13:11,385 --> 00:13:16,625 Speaker 3: Definitely, different ages have different requirements, but I feel like Jumbled, 266 00:13:17,145 --> 00:13:20,665 Speaker 3: the fashion that we get in is quite ageless. So 267 00:13:21,465 --> 00:13:25,585 Speaker 3: yesterday we have this amazing never Fully Dressed, which is 268 00:13:25,665 --> 00:13:29,905 Speaker 3: a label from the UK, this micro mesh dress. And 269 00:13:30,185 --> 00:13:32,865 Speaker 3: you would think that mesh would be clingy, but this 270 00:13:33,385 --> 00:13:36,665 Speaker 3: mesh dress is amazing. It's a six to an eighteen 271 00:13:37,105 --> 00:13:39,985 Speaker 3: and so I had a girl who was twenty by it, 272 00:13:40,385 --> 00:13:42,425 Speaker 3: and I also had a lady who was in her 273 00:13:42,465 --> 00:13:46,505 Speaker 3: seventies by it for a wedding and they both looked fantastic. 274 00:13:46,665 --> 00:13:48,545 Speaker 1: Well, now I need to see this dress. 275 00:13:48,745 --> 00:13:49,585 Speaker 2: Yes, I've got it. 276 00:13:49,865 --> 00:13:52,105 Speaker 1: Get it here. That's amazing. Show me. 277 00:13:52,345 --> 00:13:55,345 Speaker 3: I wanted to talk to you about color because I 278 00:13:55,425 --> 00:13:59,385 Speaker 3: have this same shaped mesh dress in two other colorways 279 00:13:59,665 --> 00:14:03,825 Speaker 3: and they're both really pretty, but it's this color that 280 00:14:04,025 --> 00:14:05,585 Speaker 3: works so beautifully. 281 00:14:05,625 --> 00:14:07,585 Speaker 2: So it's a beautiful corn. 282 00:14:07,305 --> 00:14:12,305 Speaker 3: Flower blue with a corally orange poppy print, and it's 283 00:14:12,345 --> 00:14:17,105 Speaker 3: that contrasting colors of orange and blue, and it just 284 00:14:17,185 --> 00:14:21,985 Speaker 3: looks so flattering on fair skin, on tan skin, gray hair, blonde. 285 00:14:22,105 --> 00:14:25,585 Speaker 3: This dress is all about the color of it, and 286 00:14:25,625 --> 00:14:27,225 Speaker 3: that's why it's so successful. 287 00:14:27,345 --> 00:14:29,745 Speaker 1: And it just brings joy. Just looking at that fabric. 288 00:14:29,785 --> 00:14:30,545 Speaker 1: I feel joy. 289 00:14:31,105 --> 00:14:34,505 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's flattering. It has a beautiful bell sleeve. 290 00:14:35,065 --> 00:14:37,785 Speaker 3: But I just love it that a dress like that 291 00:14:38,505 --> 00:14:42,425 Speaker 3: spans so many different generations, so when someone from different 292 00:14:42,505 --> 00:14:46,865 Speaker 3: generations comes in, it's I just think, whoever the customer is, 293 00:14:47,225 --> 00:14:50,345 Speaker 3: is really important to listen, because listening is like the 294 00:14:50,425 --> 00:14:54,105 Speaker 3: kindest thing we can do understanding what people need and want. 295 00:14:54,185 --> 00:14:56,745 Speaker 1: And it's interesting because that's why you've got so much 296 00:14:56,905 --> 00:14:59,705 Speaker 1: return business because I think you know when you're being 297 00:14:59,705 --> 00:15:01,385 Speaker 1: sold to and someone's saying that looks great to get 298 00:15:01,425 --> 00:15:03,625 Speaker 1: a sale, But when someone really invests in you and 299 00:15:03,625 --> 00:15:05,425 Speaker 1: listens to you and goes, okay, yep, you like this 300 00:15:05,545 --> 00:15:07,545 Speaker 1: or you're looking for that, that's the stores I go 301 00:15:07,625 --> 00:15:10,505 Speaker 1: back into and I subconsciously avoid some that I've had 302 00:15:10,545 --> 00:15:12,745 Speaker 1: the hard cell. So you do that so well. But 303 00:15:12,785 --> 00:15:14,865 Speaker 1: that dress also just inspired me because I'm more of 304 00:15:14,905 --> 00:15:17,465 Speaker 1: a separates these days. But I'm confused how to put 305 00:15:17,465 --> 00:15:19,705 Speaker 1: the colors together. But that could be a beautiful color 306 00:15:19,705 --> 00:15:22,225 Speaker 1: combination in the top and a bottom that deep vibrant 307 00:15:22,225 --> 00:15:24,105 Speaker 1: orange and a cornflower blue. 308 00:15:24,745 --> 00:15:27,225 Speaker 3: Yes, So if you remember on your color wheel as 309 00:15:27,265 --> 00:15:30,345 Speaker 3: a kid, they're contrasting across from each. 310 00:15:30,145 --> 00:15:33,825 Speaker 2: Other and that's why they always look so good to Yeah. 311 00:15:33,785 --> 00:15:36,825 Speaker 1: So maybe you've got some colorful dresses just look at 312 00:15:36,825 --> 00:15:38,905 Speaker 1: the colors if you want to make separates work, which 313 00:15:38,945 --> 00:15:41,225 Speaker 1: is kind of a bit harder than a whole dress, 314 00:15:41,865 --> 00:15:43,225 Speaker 1: And there's your colors at work. 315 00:15:43,865 --> 00:15:44,945 Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. 316 00:15:45,065 --> 00:15:47,225 Speaker 1: Oh, maybe it's not so scary after all. One more 317 00:15:47,305 --> 00:15:49,585 Speaker 1: question before we get into boogie and budget. Some of 318 00:15:49,585 --> 00:15:51,345 Speaker 1: our listeners, or a lot of our listeners might work 319 00:15:51,385 --> 00:15:54,345 Speaker 1: in corporate environments. I mean, I'm an office worker, but 320 00:15:54,425 --> 00:15:56,625 Speaker 1: we can wear pretty much anything, and you have the 321 00:15:56,625 --> 00:16:00,105 Speaker 1: most drudful workplace on earth. How can we express our 322 00:16:00,145 --> 00:16:02,785 Speaker 1: personal style and maybe some color in. 323 00:16:02,745 --> 00:16:06,505 Speaker 3: A corporate world we're talking about earlier. I love color blocking. 324 00:16:07,105 --> 00:16:12,425 Speaker 3: Yes it's cold. Blocking in corporate looks extremely exciting and 325 00:16:12,585 --> 00:16:16,705 Speaker 3: very polished. And I think it's fun to show who 326 00:16:16,745 --> 00:16:18,945 Speaker 3: you are and what you stand for and that you 327 00:16:18,985 --> 00:16:21,985 Speaker 3: have a bit of personality in a corporate environment. And 328 00:16:22,025 --> 00:16:24,625 Speaker 3: I think fashion is the perfect way to do that, 329 00:16:24,865 --> 00:16:29,345 Speaker 3: even if you're in quite a stiff environment. It's fun 330 00:16:29,545 --> 00:16:32,585 Speaker 3: to play and it's fun to shock, but it's also 331 00:16:32,945 --> 00:16:36,065 Speaker 3: it's amazing what the response will be from that. And 332 00:16:36,065 --> 00:16:39,345 Speaker 3: I quite like using color in a symbolic way as well. 333 00:16:39,665 --> 00:16:43,705 Speaker 3: When there's perfect times to wear red incorporate environments and 334 00:16:43,785 --> 00:16:47,065 Speaker 3: green and blue so you can use it in that 335 00:16:47,145 --> 00:16:49,985 Speaker 3: way as well. But I think color blocking is just 336 00:16:50,425 --> 00:16:51,265 Speaker 3: so so cool. 337 00:16:51,625 --> 00:16:53,505 Speaker 1: You're so right, and I hadn't even thought of that. 338 00:16:53,545 --> 00:16:55,425 Speaker 1: I was thinking, you know, maybe someone could go from 339 00:16:55,465 --> 00:16:58,945 Speaker 1: gray and black to like aubergeene. But yeah, a beautiful 340 00:16:58,985 --> 00:17:00,825 Speaker 1: cold I know. I was like, that's so daring. But 341 00:17:00,865 --> 00:17:04,385 Speaker 1: a beautiful colbot blue color blocked, or you know, a 342 00:17:04,585 --> 00:17:08,065 Speaker 1: really rich, real be red phenomenal and still very polished. 343 00:17:08,465 --> 00:17:11,705 Speaker 3: But even a beautiful aubugine blazer. You could play with 344 00:17:11,785 --> 00:17:14,345 Speaker 3: a lovely color on underneath, like it could be a 345 00:17:14,345 --> 00:17:18,625 Speaker 3: beautiful blush skivy, or play with a pink and red stripe, 346 00:17:18,785 --> 00:17:21,585 Speaker 3: or you could do other things. So you can keep 347 00:17:21,665 --> 00:17:26,345 Speaker 3: it quite simple but add some more interesting things, perhaps 348 00:17:26,385 --> 00:17:27,945 Speaker 3: with the top on underneath. 349 00:17:39,745 --> 00:17:41,185 Speaker 2: It's very expensive. 350 00:17:42,025 --> 00:17:47,185 Speaker 1: How old are these? Okay, let's move on to bougi 351 00:17:47,225 --> 00:17:49,865 Speaker 1: and budget. This is where we're both bringing something that's 352 00:17:50,065 --> 00:17:52,585 Speaker 1: more affordable, something that's a bit more expensive in the 353 00:17:52,705 --> 00:17:56,225 Speaker 1: color world. Let's have your budget first. What's your budget 354 00:17:56,225 --> 00:17:57,545 Speaker 1: item or. 355 00:17:57,505 --> 00:18:02,465 Speaker 3: My budget item would be bracelets, because if it's something 356 00:18:02,585 --> 00:18:04,945 Speaker 3: that you want to just dip your toes into color 357 00:18:05,385 --> 00:18:07,905 Speaker 3: during the school holidays, it was raining at the beach 358 00:18:07,985 --> 00:18:10,985 Speaker 3: and I went and bought a b and bracelet making 359 00:18:11,105 --> 00:18:14,385 Speaker 3: kit and I had my boys who were twelve and ten, 360 00:18:14,625 --> 00:18:18,945 Speaker 3: and my nieces all make bracelets and they've made oh wow, 361 00:18:19,785 --> 00:18:22,705 Speaker 3: beautiful ones with their names on and if you put 362 00:18:22,745 --> 00:18:25,825 Speaker 3: them with your expensive pearls and your charms. So we 363 00:18:25,825 --> 00:18:29,305 Speaker 3: have this new brand called Boy friday In who handmakes 364 00:18:29,465 --> 00:18:31,105 Speaker 3: the coolest bracelets. 365 00:18:31,225 --> 00:18:34,785 Speaker 2: You layer them, layer like a player legend. 366 00:18:34,945 --> 00:18:35,465 Speaker 1: I love it. 367 00:18:35,625 --> 00:18:39,025 Speaker 3: That is a really nice way to bring a little 368 00:18:39,025 --> 00:18:42,265 Speaker 3: bit of coloring if you're feeling like you want to 369 00:18:42,345 --> 00:18:43,545 Speaker 3: explore color a little more. 370 00:18:43,585 --> 00:18:45,225 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're dipping your toe. I like that. And you 371 00:18:45,265 --> 00:18:47,225 Speaker 1: could even you know, you could buy some affordably, or 372 00:18:47,265 --> 00:18:48,625 Speaker 1: you could make your own and then you've got the 373 00:18:48,665 --> 00:18:49,745 Speaker 1: exact colors that you want. 374 00:18:49,985 --> 00:18:52,265 Speaker 3: Yes, and it's so fun. The kids love that you're 375 00:18:52,265 --> 00:18:53,265 Speaker 3: wearing the bracelets. 376 00:18:53,265 --> 00:18:55,425 Speaker 1: That I'm going to do that with my son. That's 377 00:18:55,425 --> 00:18:58,385 Speaker 1: a gorgeous idea. Well, my budget is a dress. And 378 00:18:58,425 --> 00:19:01,425 Speaker 1: I'm glad you said yellow because I wasn't sure. How 379 00:19:01,425 --> 00:19:03,385 Speaker 1: are you going to feel about this? They're calling it 380 00:19:03,465 --> 00:19:06,585 Speaker 1: cream on the website. It's not it's yellow, Okay. The 381 00:19:06,625 --> 00:19:08,385 Speaker 1: brand is fourth and Reckless. You can get it on 382 00:19:08,465 --> 00:19:10,785 Speaker 1: the Iconic and it's one hundred and thirty dollars. The 383 00:19:10,825 --> 00:19:13,945 Speaker 1: top's sort of just like a plain, kind of ribbed singlet, 384 00:19:14,065 --> 00:19:17,105 Speaker 1: and then the skirt is like a flair Maxi skirt. 385 00:19:17,625 --> 00:19:20,025 Speaker 1: It's really beautiful. The reason I like it is because 386 00:19:20,025 --> 00:19:22,305 Speaker 1: I'm trying to only buy items that I can get 387 00:19:22,385 --> 00:19:24,985 Speaker 1: more wear out of. So going into autumn, I just 388 00:19:25,145 --> 00:19:27,785 Speaker 1: love a Maxi skirt with a big knit. So I 389 00:19:27,825 --> 00:19:30,225 Speaker 1: would just chuck a knit over the top and pretend 390 00:19:30,265 --> 00:19:32,585 Speaker 1: it's a skirt. I was going to say a grain 391 00:19:32,585 --> 00:19:34,545 Speaker 1: in it, but now, inspired by you, I might do 392 00:19:34,665 --> 00:19:34,825 Speaker 1: like a. 393 00:19:34,865 --> 00:19:39,425 Speaker 4: Ruby red or fun or a mustard, a mustard or 394 00:19:39,625 --> 00:19:43,105 Speaker 4: it looks so good in that, I mean amazing at 395 00:19:43,105 --> 00:19:46,225 Speaker 4: the moment, an amazing American vintage knit. 396 00:19:46,425 --> 00:19:52,185 Speaker 3: That's like carrying it like a ruby, beautiful red bean stripe. 397 00:19:52,265 --> 00:19:53,545 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's joyful. 398 00:19:53,985 --> 00:19:55,745 Speaker 2: So it would look great with the skirt. 399 00:19:55,905 --> 00:19:57,905 Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you know, as it warms up later 400 00:19:57,945 --> 00:19:59,865 Speaker 1: in the year, I just wear it as a dress. 401 00:19:59,865 --> 00:20:01,225 Speaker 1: So it's kind of a two for one and it's 402 00:20:01,265 --> 00:20:03,265 Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty dollars. It comes in boring black. 403 00:20:03,305 --> 00:20:05,265 Speaker 1: I'm not going to recommend that because we're all about color. 404 00:20:05,425 --> 00:20:07,705 Speaker 1: All right, what's your bougie. 405 00:20:07,825 --> 00:20:11,305 Speaker 3: Well, my bougie hasn't actually a it's due to arrive 406 00:20:11,505 --> 00:20:15,145 Speaker 3: any day. It's a Celia Bee dress. So she's a 407 00:20:15,185 --> 00:20:19,665 Speaker 3: Spanish designer and she's my all time fave designer. And 408 00:20:19,705 --> 00:20:22,425 Speaker 3: we only get one across in each size because they're 409 00:20:22,425 --> 00:20:26,545 Speaker 3: a bit special. Yes, And it's this multi colored check 410 00:20:26,665 --> 00:20:29,625 Speaker 3: dress that has like a love heart panel on the 411 00:20:29,705 --> 00:20:33,305 Speaker 3: front and it's all paneled and long and really cool 412 00:20:33,345 --> 00:20:35,465 Speaker 3: and very ridiculous but very fabulous. 413 00:20:35,545 --> 00:20:37,265 Speaker 1: I love it. And now when you say it's on 414 00:20:37,305 --> 00:20:38,945 Speaker 1: the way, is this for the store or for you? 415 00:20:40,145 --> 00:20:41,145 Speaker 2: I would say both. 416 00:20:42,105 --> 00:20:44,505 Speaker 1: What an amazing job that you can like. Ah, I 417 00:20:44,505 --> 00:20:47,145 Speaker 1: think I need to buy that from myself. My bougie 418 00:20:47,185 --> 00:20:49,705 Speaker 1: is something I bought last year and I did not 419 00:20:49,745 --> 00:20:52,465 Speaker 1: pay full price. So, like you said, like the bracelets, 420 00:20:52,465 --> 00:20:55,105 Speaker 1: this is kind of a dipping a toe. They're green sunglasses. 421 00:20:55,865 --> 00:20:59,185 Speaker 1: I bought some Botaga Vanetta green sunglasses. There's a website 422 00:20:59,185 --> 00:21:02,745 Speaker 1: called iWar Index, and ordinarily, when everything's full price, it's 423 00:21:02,825 --> 00:21:05,705 Speaker 1: very expensive because fancy brands are but a couple of 424 00:21:05,705 --> 00:21:08,225 Speaker 1: times a year they have an amazing sale. So everyone 425 00:21:08,225 --> 00:21:11,225 Speaker 1: should jump on and sign up. To their EDM database 426 00:21:11,265 --> 00:21:13,305 Speaker 1: and wait for the sale. They're back to full price 427 00:21:13,385 --> 00:21:16,785 Speaker 1: now eight hundred and ninety five dollars. Never in my 428 00:21:16,825 --> 00:21:19,225 Speaker 1: life would I pay that for sunglasses or pretty much anything. 429 00:21:19,265 --> 00:21:21,945 Speaker 1: But I got them late last year, think December, right 430 00:21:21,985 --> 00:21:23,625 Speaker 1: before them im I me a Christmas party because then 431 00:21:23,665 --> 00:21:25,225 Speaker 1: I wore them and everyone said, oh my god, I 432 00:21:25,225 --> 00:21:26,745 Speaker 1: love your sunglasses. And then when I would take my 433 00:21:26,785 --> 00:21:29,825 Speaker 1: sunnies down, they'd make my eyes look clearly green, and 434 00:21:29,865 --> 00:21:31,465 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, this was such a gamble. I 435 00:21:31,505 --> 00:21:33,905 Speaker 1: paid two twenty in the sale, so from eight ninety 436 00:21:33,945 --> 00:21:36,625 Speaker 1: five to two twenty, I would never pay roughly nine 437 00:21:36,705 --> 00:21:40,065 Speaker 1: hundred dollars. But I think, to your point, a sunglass, 438 00:21:40,065 --> 00:21:43,105 Speaker 1: a bead, maybe a bag is a really nice way 439 00:21:43,145 --> 00:21:45,785 Speaker 1: to experiment and mix and match a bit more than 440 00:21:45,785 --> 00:21:48,865 Speaker 1: a full on bright item if you're dipping your toe. 441 00:21:49,025 --> 00:21:49,785 Speaker 2: One hundred percent. 442 00:21:49,945 --> 00:21:52,265 Speaker 3: But isn't it the power of color When you take 443 00:21:52,305 --> 00:21:55,705 Speaker 3: down your glasses, Cinemiosis notices your eyes that you spend 444 00:21:55,745 --> 00:21:57,105 Speaker 3: every day with it work. 445 00:21:57,145 --> 00:21:58,505 Speaker 1: And that's it. And I was like, oh, should I 446 00:21:58,505 --> 00:22:00,065 Speaker 1: take them? Oh it's the Christmas party, I'll go on. 447 00:22:00,105 --> 00:22:01,945 Speaker 1: And now when I reach for them, I feel joyful 448 00:22:01,945 --> 00:22:04,345 Speaker 1: because I received so many lovely compliments, so it wasn't 449 00:22:04,345 --> 00:22:08,065 Speaker 1: scary after all. Yeah, the Echo Pip your a joy 450 00:22:08,145 --> 00:22:11,105 Speaker 1: to watch, to talk to, to shop from. So thank 451 00:22:11,145 --> 00:22:13,545 Speaker 1: you so much for joining me or Nothing to Wear, Oh, 452 00:22:13,585 --> 00:22:16,305 Speaker 1: thank you. Thank you for listening to Nothing to Wear, 453 00:22:16,385 --> 00:22:18,385 Speaker 1: and don't forget to sign up to the Nothing to 454 00:22:18,425 --> 00:22:21,465 Speaker 1: Wear newsletter. There's a link in the show notes and 455 00:22:21,545 --> 00:22:23,825 Speaker 1: if you are ever in Orange in New South Wales, 456 00:22:23,865 --> 00:22:26,145 Speaker 1: be sure to visit Jumbled at the Sonic. 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