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Speaker 2: we take a break from the news cycle and gosh,
Speaker 2: this week it's been quite the news cycle and breathe out. Hello.
Speaker 2: This is my ASMR and I'm trying to make it
Speaker 2: better but still icky. Today is Friday, the thirteenth of September,
Speaker 2: and my name is Holly Wainwright.
Speaker 3: I'm Jesse Stevens, and I'm m Vernon filling in for
Speaker 3: me today. You can normally hear me on our daily
Speaker 3: entertainment podcast, The Spill.
Speaker 2: On today's show are your female friendships being sabotaged by
Speaker 2: affirmation culture? Also make up a book and a Jesse
Speaker 2: endorsed true crime doc o. It's recommendations and our best
Speaker 2: and worst of the week include a pet death, a
Speaker 2: break in, and a dodgy passport picture. But first, Jesse Stevens.
Speaker 4: In case you missed it, Dave Grohl fifty five has
Speaker 4: fathered a child outside his twenty one year marriage, and
Speaker 4: we know this because he posted about it.
Speaker 2: On Instagram. Why did he post about it on Instagram?
Speaker 4: His wife was holding a gun to his headit. I
Speaker 4: don't have evidence of that, but that was the sense
Speaker 4: I had. The lead singer of the Foo Fighters shared
Speaker 4: a tile to his one point five million followers on
Speaker 4: Wednesday that read, I've recently become the father of a
Speaker 4: new baby daughter born outside of my marriage. I planned
Speaker 4: to be a loving and supportive parent to her. I
Speaker 4: love my wife and my children. I'm doing everything I
Speaker 4: can to regain their trust and earn their forgiveness. We're
Speaker 4: grateful for your consideration towards all the children involved as
Speaker 4: we move forward together. Grohl and his wife Jordan Bloom
Speaker 4: have three children together, the eldest of which is eighteen. Holly,
Speaker 4: are you shocked by this news?
Speaker 2: It's just embarrassing. I can't overstate how much gen X
Speaker 2: men love the Foo Fighters.
Speaker 3: Right, Oh, Foo Fighters. So I had to look him up, yeah,
Speaker 3: because I didn't know who he was.
Speaker 4: He didn't know who Dave Grohl was.
Speaker 2: He was in Nirvana with Kirk Cobbain. Oh so he's
Speaker 2: old school, Yeah yeah, old school cool. So he was
Speaker 2: in Nirvana with Kirk Cobain and then he went on
Speaker 2: to form The Food Fighters, who are an enormously successful band. Obviously,
Speaker 2: but like gen X, white dudes love the Food Fighters
Speaker 2: so much and I don't. It's like that Church.
Speaker 4: I don't know a heap about him, but my gut,
Speaker 4: you know how we have our bad men radar and
Speaker 4: like we have, you know, a gut feel. I had
Speaker 4: a relatively good feel about date he has.
Speaker 2: Well, there's a little Taylor Swift problem, but apart from that,
Speaker 2: he's generally been seen as a good dude, came through
Speaker 2: a difficult time. Blah blah blah blah blah. This is
Speaker 2: so embarrassing. What's embarrassing about this is fifty five year
Speaker 2: old men should not be posting apology declarations like this
Speaker 2: on social media. They don't understand it, they don't do
Speaker 2: it right. It's just mortifying. Keep it to yourself, Dave.
Speaker 3: What I find more embarrassing is the type of post,
Speaker 3: because it's not a note at post. It looks like
Speaker 3: he made it on candy.
Speaker 4: This is what i'mstand I was.
Speaker 3: Looking at the rest of his grid, and he liked
Speaker 3: to do a lot of personal essays. Black font a
Speaker 3: white background, so he had to fit his aesthetic. He
Speaker 3: had to be like, I'll do the post, but just
Speaker 3: let me work on the creative outlet's mortifying.
Speaker 2: The other thing that's worth noting is so he has
Speaker 2: quite a very well selling memoir called Storytellers that's like
Speaker 2: Collections of writing and whatever. It's coming out with a
Speaker 2: new edition in October. And the sound we can probably
Speaker 2: hear the publicists and the publishers scrambling to be like,
Speaker 2: how do we incorporate this horror? Some people are very
Speaker 2: upset about it, and some people say it's Swifty's revenge,
Speaker 2: because you're right, Jesse, I've always thought he was a
Speaker 2: nice guy, but that he made a dig at her
Speaker 2: about like.
Speaker 3: He said she actually had to we actually play live. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 3: that was it.
Speaker 2: That was it, Dave.
Speaker 4: Well, look, we're not here for the you know, the
Speaker 4: still a little gossip. What we do here is work
Speaker 4: cultural commentation.
Speaker 2: That is exactly what we do here.
Speaker 4: We notice an unpacked cultural trends and this reminded me
Speaker 4: of a social phenomena that I've seen reported on lately,
Speaker 4: and it's very serious and I like you both.
Speaker 2: Listener.
Speaker 4: There was an article on Mama Maya with the headline
Speaker 4: Cosey Lives means no one can afford secret second family.
Speaker 2: And when is our rule is being hit by that?
Speaker 4: Exactly? It gets all of us. When is Albo going
Speaker 4: to address that in front of parliament? Is my question.
Speaker 4: The theory originated on Twitter and TikTok, and it's based
Speaker 4: largely on vibes. They believe that there are less second
Speaker 4: families than there were in say, the eighties and nineties.
Speaker 4: Some tweets read bring back affordable second families. Most people
Speaker 4: can't even afford half a family. There are calls for
Speaker 4: an academic paper to be written on the decline privilege.
Speaker 2: Isn't it that he can afford to have this second
Speaker 2: family privilege?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 3: Yeah, generations are going to get that.
Speaker 4: Exactly right, I reckon. Maybe that's why Dave had to post,
Speaker 4: because he's probably got a CROWDFUNDI second family. How am
Speaker 4: I going to support them?
Speaker 2: I know we should not laugh because there are real
Speaker 2: people affected by this, but we think about your female friendships.
Speaker 2: If you vent in real life in your group chat
Speaker 2: about your relationship, do you expect that your good friends
Speaker 2: will say, yeah, babe, you're so right there being a
Speaker 2: total dig. Don't beat yourself up about that. If you
Speaker 2: vent in real life or in your group chat about
Speaker 2: your boss, do you expect that your female friends will say, yes,
Speaker 2: they sound like a complete idiot. They don't know how
Speaker 2: lucky they are to have you. And if you vent
Speaker 2: about your kid or your parents in real life or
Speaker 2: in your group chat, do you expect them to say,
Speaker 2: it's so hard, DHL, you're doing a great job. I
Speaker 2: think the answer to all of those things.
Speaker 4: Is yes, absolutely yes.
Speaker 2: My answer is absolutely yes, And if yours is too,
Speaker 2: then your friendships might have been infected with affirmation culture.
Speaker 2: As expressed in an article in The Cut by Catherine
Speaker 2: jesse morton affirmation culture, This idea is that the lens
Speaker 2: that we view the world through is mostly filtered by
Speaker 2: the idea that us women because it's mostly women who
Speaker 2: are part of this culture. Apparently, we have a lot
Speaker 2: to deal with in this world, and we're usually treated unfairly,
Speaker 2: and the bar is higher off et cetera, et cetera,
Speaker 2: et cetera. And so within our groups of female friendship,
Speaker 2: we need our view validated and we need support and
Speaker 2: validation and recognition. A sign of good friendship, of loyalty
Speaker 2: is being on your side no matter what we want.
Speaker 2: Our groups to hold us up, not hold us accountable
Speaker 2: for things that we, god forbid, might have fucked up
Speaker 2: for ourselves. But apparently this isn't good for us. M.
Speaker 2: Do you recognize affirmation culture in your friend group?
Speaker 3: Yes, I have a lot of affirmation friends. I am
Speaker 3: not one of them. What I'm an anti affirmationer?
Speaker 2: I thought you were very yes girl slave, etc.
Speaker 3: I yeah, yes, girls say. I am the kind of
Speaker 3: friend that wants the best for my friends, but it's
Speaker 3: not unconditional, as in, like, I want the best for
Speaker 3: my friends, but if I feel like the affirmations won't
Speaker 3: give them the best outcome they want, I will be
Speaker 3: that person.
Speaker 2: To tell you.
Speaker 4: So, Okay, we're out to dinner and I say complaints
Speaker 4: about my husband. He leaves his towel on the floor
Speaker 4: and it's wet, and then I have to pick it up.
Speaker 4: Go what do you say?
Speaker 3: I say, you need to talk to him about this.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to be that friend to be like,
Speaker 3: oh that sucks, let's go order some dessert. Oh my goodness,
Speaker 3: I need to break this because I want the best
Speaker 3: outcome for your life, because that's my job as a friend.
Speaker 3: Is I care? I care? I want you to fix this.
Speaker 3: You're breaking with social contract, I know, but I do
Speaker 3: have rules for being the anti affirmation friend. So it's
Speaker 3: always like, if you just want to vent to me,
Speaker 3: I will be that like sounding board. But if you
Speaker 3: actually want advice I ask, I'll be like, do you
Speaker 3: want to know what I really think? Or do you
Speaker 3: just want to vent to me?
Speaker 2: Oh? This is very good. She's very evolved because it's true.
Speaker 2: I do not want criticism unless I've asked for it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I never do it in a group chat.
Speaker 3: So my friends know because they know that I'm the
Speaker 3: anti affirmation. If they're complaining about some thing and they're
Speaker 3: wanting advice, they know I have something to say because
Speaker 3: I'll just stay silent and I'll just read all their
Speaker 3: messages and then i'll message them separately. And I don't
Speaker 3: actually message. It's always a voice note because I don't
Speaker 3: think it comes across well in message.
Speaker 2: So hold on back to role play. I'm in your
Speaker 2: group chat, and I'm going my boss is a bitch
Speaker 2: isn't here, So let's go. I'm saying my boss is
Speaker 2: a bitch, or my husband's a dick, or my kid's
Speaker 2: an asshole or whatever. All the other girls are going yeah.
Speaker 4: Slay, yeah, yes that's or just like a little thumbs,
Speaker 4: I know you're not saying anything.
Speaker 2: And then the next thing that happens is in my
Speaker 2: I get a voice note from you.
Speaker 3: I get a message first saying do you want my
Speaker 3: actual thoughts right?
Speaker 2: And then I get a voice note from you that
Speaker 2: might say, have you considered that the reason that your
Speaker 2: boss is a bitch is because you're not very good
Speaker 2: at your job?
Speaker 3: Is that what's gonna happen? I'm not mean so, but
Speaker 3: I will bring up stuff like, hey, maybe she acted
Speaker 3: this way because you did say this to her.
Speaker 4: And is that one you honestly want? So let's say
Speaker 4: you know, you've talked on the show before about dating,
Speaker 4: and you're sitting there going, oh, my goodness, he hasn't
Speaker 4: messaged me back. It's just bullshit because he really led
Speaker 4: me on with blah blah blah. What do you want
Speaker 4: from your friends? Because do you want your friends to
Speaker 4: be like, okay, sounds like a dick, You're out of
Speaker 4: his league, you're too good for him, blah blah blah,
Speaker 4: there's a script I'll read from it, y, or do
Speaker 4: you want them to be like you know actually, well,
Speaker 4: why don't you message first or do you want like
Speaker 4: active advice.
Speaker 3: That's where I struggle because all of my friends are
Speaker 3: affirmation friends, so I'm the one that isn't. So they
Speaker 3: come to me for that one thing that they need.
Speaker 3: Was I have to train one of my friends to
Speaker 3: be the anti affirmation friend for me.
Speaker 2: Do you literally do am I the asshole? Like you
Speaker 2: know what I mean? So you'll be this guy isn't
Speaker 2: calling me or whatever it is, blah blah blah, tell
Speaker 2: me what I'm doing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm the commenter. That's like the top comment way.
Speaker 3: Either tell them that the asshole or that they're not
Speaker 3: see Jesse.
Speaker 4: The thing is, I know I'm the asshole. Yes, there's
Speaker 4: no doubt. If you think I don't have the self
Speaker 4: awareness to know that I am delusional most of the time,
Speaker 4: you're very wrong. I know that I'm not being fair
Speaker 4: right now in my venting. But there is so much
Speaker 4: argument and tension and conflict in my life generally like online,
Speaker 4: you know, disagreement, all that kind of stuff that when
Speaker 4: I'm sitting with my girlfriends and I start to unleash
Speaker 4: or I start to complain or talk about some story
Speaker 4: I just want them to slay. Yes, Queen, that's all
Speaker 4: I want.
Speaker 3: So you know you're the asshole, which I think most
Speaker 3: people do, but I think that one friend quote unquote
Speaker 3: confirming it makes it real.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't really want that, and I want people do it.
Speaker 4: I've sat there with a group of girlfriends and I've
Speaker 4: had one friend who's kind of like, Okay, let some
Speaker 4: I'm talking about work and they'll be like, well, yeah,
Speaker 4: your boss is probably like that because let me guess
Speaker 4: you're late or something. And I'm like, I don't need
Speaker 4: this kind of Saturday night, but you actually do.
Speaker 3: You need one person to do that for you, because
Speaker 3: you need one person to have your best interest at heart.
Speaker 3: And that's all I am. I just care.
Speaker 2: I find this very tricky because Jesse, you and I
Speaker 2: are similar in this way. I'm very sensitive to criticism,
Speaker 2: and I like to tell myself that the reason I
Speaker 2: am is because my self critic is ferocious. So I'm like,
Speaker 2: there's nothing that you guys are going to tell me
Speaker 2: that I don't already know that. Like, everything I'm doing
Speaker 2: is shit, and I'm doing a terrible job of everything,
Speaker 2: and I'm an idiot and I'm a terrible parent and
Speaker 2: I'm really bad writer and dah da da dah. So like,
Speaker 2: I don't need you to tell people.
Speaker 3: What if I message both of you and I'm like,
Speaker 3: it's like two am. So you're both awake, just awake,
Speaker 3: you're not falling asleep, And I'm like, hey, guys, I'm
Speaker 3: doing something really crazy. I'm about to go over to
Speaker 3: a guy's house.
Speaker 2: Oh no, I'll say no.
Speaker 3: I think he has a girlfriend as well, but I
Speaker 3: just really really like him.
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, I'll say no about that.
Speaker 4: I agree, I would say no. We're sitting around at
Speaker 4: dinner on a Saturday night after you've done it. Yes,
Speaker 4: I am going, well, you know, but his girlfriends now, shit,
Speaker 4: that's what I'm doing because you've aready done it.
Speaker 2: That is an important distinction because if it's for advice, explicitly,
Speaker 2: should I go over to his house? I'm going to
Speaker 2: tell you the truth. Okay, No, you shouldn't, and if
Speaker 2: you do, don't fucking come winching to.
Speaker 3: Me about it.
Speaker 2: But if you've done it, I am going to make
Speaker 2: you feel better about that decision. I'm going to be like,
Speaker 2: that's okay, babe. We all do stupid things. Something like
Speaker 2: I'm definitely affirmation.
Speaker 3: And you don't think because if you say that, I'm
Speaker 3: going to be like, Okay, I've got approval. I can
Speaker 3: just do it again.
Speaker 4: But I think people do what they want. I think
Speaker 4: I think that we pretend to ask for advice because
Speaker 4: otherwise it feels like we're just monologuing, which is what
Speaker 4: we are.
Speaker 2: Sometimes I actually want advice. Sometimes I'll be like, what
Speaker 2: should I do about this? And then I'll listen to
Speaker 2: your advice and I'll probably ignore it, but I won't
Speaker 2: file it away somewhere and go, Okay, that's cool.
Speaker 4: Same. I was actually reading something this week about something
Speaker 4: called the rage friend, and it was about how it's
Speaker 4: actually psychologically quite healthy to have a rage friend. And
Speaker 4: in fact, this writer her name is Annya Meyowitz, and
Speaker 4: she talked about how not only does she have a
Speaker 4: rage friend, but she has the rage chat with that friend,
Speaker 4: so over on the right here she can be talking
Speaker 4: about their plans for the weekend and then something enrages
Speaker 4: her and that only goes in the rage chat, so
Speaker 4: there's just a steady stream of raging. I was thinking
Speaker 4: about it in that context. I think my sister's probably
Speaker 4: my rage friend. If I am raging and someone wants
Speaker 4: to not affirm that rage that I am very, very grumpy.
Speaker 4: It's like I need people in my life where I
Speaker 4: can be completely irrational, illogical, just stream of consciousness crap
Speaker 4: coming out of my mouth and they just hear me.
Speaker 4: I don't stand by anything I said. I don't even
Speaker 4: agree with what I said yesterday, but I think that
Speaker 4: there is something psychologically healthy about just having that outlet.
Speaker 4: Do you guys have a rage friend?
Speaker 3: I think affirmation friends can be rage friends, but I
Speaker 3: think if you're like me, an anti affirmation friend, you
Speaker 3: lose the right to be the rage friend. Like I
Speaker 3: noticed that my friends do stop venting to me because
Speaker 3: they know I'm just gonna come back with something to say.
Speaker 2: You can to stop them in their tracks. I think
Speaker 2: she's not gonna get all the gossip.
Speaker 3: No, you're fo but I do eventually get the gossip
Speaker 3: when it's blown out too much and they're like, am
Speaker 3: I actually?
Speaker 2: Actually, I was thinking about why we've evolved into affirmation
Speaker 2: culture friend groups because I think it's probably never been
Speaker 2: truer than it is now. And I think that you
Speaker 2: struck on something before, Jesse, when you said the world
Speaker 2: is so full of criticism and bitching. And then I
Speaker 2: also thought about it in the context of my teenage
Speaker 2: daughter who talks to me about her friendship dynamics and
Speaker 2: she's learning what female friendship groups are like, right, And
Speaker 2: sometimes she'll say to me, this person's always so mean
Speaker 2: to me and says, you know, criticizes everything about me,
Speaker 2: from my voice to the way I sat today, or
Speaker 2: my shoes or whatever. I'll say to her, you know,
Speaker 2: real friends don't do that. Am I breathing affirmation culture
Speaker 2: in her? Because I genuinely believe that real friends don't
Speaker 2: do that. Real friends might call you out on something
Speaker 2: that's bad for you, but they're not like sitting there
Speaker 2: picking your part. Well, yeah, but I think that many
Speaker 2: of us have had those experiences in our lives as
Speaker 2: we've you know, been teenagers or learned about dynamics, and
Speaker 2: so that's why I think we believe the markers of
Speaker 2: our mates is like, they'll never do.
Speaker 4: That, because there's something about affirmation culture that is socially
Speaker 4: and emotionally intelligent, right, which you're talking about too, is
Speaker 4: like you can tell when they just want you to agree,
Speaker 4: and women are very good at subtle cues. At going
Speaker 4: she just wants me not in smile and offered to
Speaker 4: buy her a drink, and then I will do that.
Speaker 4: But what women put up with a lot is blaming
Speaker 4: themselves or being blamed for situations that they find themselves in.
Speaker 4: I mean, I know, earlier in the week, on a
Speaker 4: very serious note, we talked about the French court case,
Speaker 4: and in that court case, the defense team are finding
Speaker 4: ways to blame a woman for her own assault, right,
Speaker 4: And we see that all the time. So if I
Speaker 4: bring up something that's happened in my life, I'm very
Speaker 4: primed to feel like I'm being blamed. Yes, So if
Speaker 4: someone at the table wants to go, oh, well, have
Speaker 4: you thought that's maybe your fault or whatever, It's like,
Speaker 4: oh sorry, yeah, I had absolutely thought that. But I
Speaker 4: need this safe space, this microcosm in my life of
Speaker 4: yes people that just make me feel unconditional support, because
Speaker 4: I guess I don't feel that anywhere else.
Speaker 3: But like with the person who's not the affirmation friend,
Speaker 3: I think, like you said, they will pick that up. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and because they literally the only reason they're the anti
Speaker 3: affirmation friend is that because they just want the best
Speaker 3: possible outcome for you and if they know that you
Speaker 3: just need to be listened to, they will be that person.
Speaker 4: And you know what it is, it's coming from good faith.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So it's like there's a lot of bad faith criticism
Speaker 4: and blame and everything going around, especially when it's a
Speaker 4: few you know, steps removed, like on the internet. But
Speaker 4: when you're coming from a good place, people can generally
Speaker 4: read that.
Speaker 3: I think one of my guy friends showed me a
Speaker 3: group chat that him with other guys, like I think
Speaker 3: there was about five guys, and he showed me a
Speaker 3: screenshot of this message he sent the group chat when
Speaker 3: he broke up with his girlfriend, and he was like, hey, boys,
Speaker 3: just letting you guys know that me and blah blah
Speaker 3: have broken up just a bit down lately. Three hours later,
Speaker 3: one of the guys replied saying that sucks broke, and
Speaker 3: all the other guys just like that message.
Speaker 2: That's like that.
Speaker 3: I would be that that's like a.
Speaker 2: Good material like Dolly Alderton book, where they're basically like
Speaker 2: there's a script that men follow too. In this way,
Speaker 2: if we're being stereotypical, which is like, oh, that sucks,
Speaker 2: bro we should go to the pub on blah and
Speaker 2: you know that and then we're not expecting to never
Speaker 2: hear about that again. But then I also think we've
Speaker 2: talked about this before. Often male friendship intimacy is characterized
Speaker 2: by constant sledging. Right, We're all good at that too
Speaker 2: with people that we trust and comfortable with. But in general,
Speaker 2: women don't sledge in the same way. It's not like
Speaker 2: I look at you in your stupid dress and you
Speaker 2: I hear I wouldn't cry exactly where very much like that,
Speaker 2: Like what is in that haircut is? Buddy? You know
Speaker 2: what I mean? We don't. We're just women don't generally
Speaker 2: do that. It's not the way we bond. We bond differently.
Speaker 3: It is Friday, so we want to help set up
Speaker 3: your weekend with our best recommendations whole.
Speaker 2: I'm going to recommend two makeup products today, and Jesse
Speaker 2: needs this recommendation as she's going to tell you about
Speaker 2: later in our Best and Worst session. I've spoken before
Speaker 2: on the show al though not phrages, about how my
Speaker 2: Holy Grail is foundations that aren't quite foundations, you know,
Speaker 2: like really goodble bases that are light.
Speaker 3: Like a primer.
Speaker 2: Well, no, not like a primer, like a tint because
Speaker 2: as you get older. I always remember some fancy makeup
Speaker 2: lady saying that one of the most age friendly things
Speaker 2: you could do for your skin is to even your
Speaker 2: skin tone right, because your skin tone goes all funny
Speaker 2: as you get older, and mine certainly is a hormonally
Speaker 2: patchy but heavy coverage. Not your friend settles in lines,
Speaker 2: cakes on, hard picks up it and all the texture
Speaker 2: changes that you get with hormones. Anyway, So I love
Speaker 2: really light foundation, but that still does.
Speaker 4: A thing, and good for summer too, very dewey.
Speaker 2: Two good ones that I've been loving lately so hard
Speaker 2: that I'm on empties with them now. One of them
Speaker 2: you can buy a chemist warehouse. It's called Mavala. Mavala
Speaker 2: is a Swiss makeup brand and they're really famous for
Speaker 2: their nail polish. They sell it in tiny little bottles
Speaker 2: and it's really really good nail polish, it's true, So
Speaker 2: that's a siderecho. They're only about eight dollars too, those
Speaker 2: nail polishes BONSA. But they do this serum foundation that
Speaker 2: is fifty bucks, so it's not super cheap serum foundation. Yees,
Speaker 2: serum foundation, and so it's really light, but it's just
Speaker 2: got the perfect texture for me. Like you know, sometimes
Speaker 2: I'll buy even quite an expensive one that's the serum foundation,
Speaker 2: and it'll be two slippery or too oily, or the
Speaker 2: pigment goes patchy with the product. This is like slides
Speaker 2: on like silk.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I get a bit shiny with a few of them.
Speaker 4: I'm a bit of a shiny goal so yeah, not great.
Speaker 2: And the other one, which is a little bit more expensive,
Speaker 2: so I'm sorry everybody, but it is really good. Is
Speaker 2: Bare Minerals Complexion Rescue Skin perfecting tint. Right, so not
Speaker 2: really a foundation, a tint. But I bought this because
Speaker 2: on my constant hunt and Bar Minerals is a good brand.
Speaker 2: They do a really good concealer, and I was like,
Speaker 2: I'm going to try it, and I'm obsessed. I've been
Speaker 2: using it every day when I'm not using Mama Vala.
Speaker 2: I like to.
Speaker 3: Mecca.
Speaker 2: Yes it isn't Mecca. It's about sixty five dollars, so
Speaker 2: it is expensive, but it's really good. SPF thirty and
Speaker 2: again just that perfect mix of like making you glowy
Speaker 2: and even but not settling in all your lines and stuff.
Speaker 2: So not there's anything wrong with our lines. Fans I
Speaker 2: spoke to Gina Chick this week. She calls them our
Speaker 2: silver feathers. But we'll put the link.
Speaker 4: You're looking, Chloe, I have a true crime documentary recommendation.
Speaker 4: So have either of you heard of the true crime
Speaker 4: documentary called The Jinx.
Speaker 3: No, that sounds scary.
Speaker 2: One thing that was very telling it Bob said. He said,
Speaker 2: all my life, I've had more money than I could spend,
Speaker 2: and it didn't make me hammy. She talked on the
Speaker 2: telephone with her husband, then she vanished.
Speaker 4: And no one has seen Kathleen Durst since Durst.
Speaker 5: Was wanted for murder in Texas.
Speaker 6: It's a suspect for murders in Los Angeles, Westchester County,
Speaker 6: New York. He belongs to one of the richest families
Speaker 6: in New York City.
Speaker 1: Might be a little eccentric.
Speaker 2: I think Bob was very smart. I mean, he's managed
Speaker 2: to get away with three murders. I don't do true
Speaker 2: crime documentaries very often.
Speaker 4: Well, it's widely considered to be one of the best
Speaker 4: true crime series ever made. It's like when people nowaday, Yeah,
Speaker 4: it is embarrassing. Actually, there was a season in twenty
Speaker 4: fifteen of this and the fust episode is mind blowing,
Speaker 4: probably one of the best, most twisty kind of episodes
Speaker 4: you could imagine in a true crime do.
Speaker 2: What's it about?
Speaker 4: So it's about a man named Bob Durst, and it
Speaker 4: begins with a body that's found in a river, and
Speaker 4: at first five minutes I was like, I'm not really
Speaker 4: in like, it's just this body and you don't really
Speaker 4: know who it is. Anyway, you learn pretty quickly that
Speaker 4: the key suspect is this guy named Bob Durst. But
Speaker 4: it turns out that's just not what the show is about.
Speaker 4: The show is about the fact that he is a
Speaker 4: multi multi multi millionaire. He's the heir to a real
Speaker 4: estate company in New York. And what he does is
Speaker 4: this body has been dismembered and thrown in a river.
Speaker 4: It's proven that he dismembered the body. But he has
Speaker 4: to defend himself in court and he can obviously afford
Speaker 4: the best defense team ever and he does. And so
Speaker 4: the stories that he tells about what happened are just
Speaker 4: you're laughing, You're like shocked it at all. But the
Speaker 4: other question that comes up in this first season and
Speaker 4: is hang on what happened to his first wife, who disappeared,
Speaker 4: and what happened to his best friend, to his murdered
Speaker 4: and did he do so? That season went down history books.
Speaker 4: Now April of this year, nine years after the first season,
Speaker 4: the second season.
Speaker 1: Drops as the Jinx aired. Bob and I spoke after
Speaker 1: every episode. He was very nervous and I thought to myself,
Speaker 1: he's going to ry. My captain told me, whatever you do,
Speaker 1: don't let Robert Durst get away. Bob was going to
Speaker 1: flee the country, never to return, and of course that
Speaker 1: didn't happen. Hello, this is a prefat call from a.
Speaker 3: Oh boy.
Speaker 4: The documentary, the first one uncovered new evidence. This final
Speaker 4: scene in this first season was explosive, and that new
Speaker 4: evidence set a sort of president for a new trial.
Speaker 4: And the second season is all about this new trial.
Speaker 4: He sits there, it's during COVID. He's like cross examined,
Speaker 4: the genius in terms of like being a fly on
Speaker 4: the wall in a courtroom. It is outstanding. I think
Speaker 4: that Bob Durst himself was cross examined for something like
Speaker 4: seven full days like this man. The Guardian call him
Speaker 4: the serial killer who just won't shut up, if you
Speaker 4: just won't stop talking. It is so addictive. Lucra and
Speaker 4: I have been sitting on the lounge every night just
Speaker 4: gasping and laughing.
Speaker 2: So I assume that obviously for people who are embarrassingly
Speaker 2: behind the times, like a night, we have to watch
Speaker 2: season one first.
Speaker 4: Yes, and it doesn't feel like it was nine years ago.
Speaker 4: I watched it from the beginning. I think I watched
Speaker 4: all those years ago, but I'd forgotten, so i watched
Speaker 4: it from the beginning and now I've just finished season two.
Speaker 4: It's on Binge Brilliant called the Jinx.
Speaker 3: Okay. I have a book recommendation. It is called Lies
Speaker 3: and Weddings by Kevin Kwan. He wrote Crazy Rich Agent. Yes, yes,
Speaker 3: it's so good, and I think he's kind of developing
Speaker 3: a universe because there's like characters from Crazy Rich Asians
Speaker 3: in this book. So if you read Crazy Rich Asians,
Speaker 3: I watched it, you know it's all just bad wealth,
Speaker 3: like the amount of wealth some people have. This one
Speaker 3: takes it to a whole new level. It's so good.
Speaker 3: It's about a royal adjacent family in England. The dad's
Speaker 3: an earl, which.
Speaker 2: I'm not too sure that's part of the royal family.
Speaker 3: One of them, and the mum is a former Hong
Speaker 3: Kong supermodel and they have three children, a boy and
Speaker 3: two girls who are now in their mid twenties late twenties.
Speaker 3: And the kid's job is to just marry rich into
Speaker 3: a wealthy family with the title, and it just goes
Speaker 3: through all of these like rich people things. I'm reading
Speaker 3: it on my kindle. Do you either of you use
Speaker 3: a kindle? You know how on a kindle? So on
Speaker 3: a kindle, sometimes it will give you suggestions on what
Speaker 3: to highlight. Yep, So like you'll be reading it and
Speaker 3: then it will be like so it will like get
Speaker 3: what other people have read in the book because you
Speaker 3: can highlight in kindles. So if you want to go
Speaker 3: back to a certain quote, quote.
Speaker 4: If it was to kill a mockingbird, like it would
Speaker 4: be the most brilliant quote that someone's kind of it's
Speaker 4: like they've underl in their book.
Speaker 2: And I can show you in real life when I'm
Speaker 2: studying is.
Speaker 3: That and I'll give you a suggestion. It'll be like
Speaker 3: twenty seven people have highlighted this suggestion.
Speaker 2: See me that all these interviews I do where I
Speaker 2: read the books and I go through and underline things,
Speaker 2: I could just have them on a freaking kindle and
Speaker 2: I would only have to read the highlights. Is that
Speaker 2: what you're telling?
Speaker 4: And you know what else you could do, Holly, is
Speaker 4: you could download your books and see.
Speaker 3: What people what people are highlighting. So that tells you
Speaker 3: You'll be like, sixteen people have highlighted this phrase, so
Speaker 3: it's like, oh, you might want to pay attention to
Speaker 3: this one or highlighted yourself with this book. What I've
Speaker 3: noticed is that everything that people have been highlighting are
Speaker 3: just really rich words and no one really understands. So
Speaker 3: I know that highlighting them to google later. It is
Speaker 3: so funny. It's such a good book. I always pick
Speaker 3: it up in like the airport. It was like one
Speaker 3: of my airport reads. Read it in the day.
Speaker 2: It's so good. Oh, Crazy Rich Asians is a bloody
Speaker 2: brilliant holiday book. So this sounds like it's amazing.
Speaker 4: I've heard great things about this. For links to all
Speaker 4: our recommendations, make sure you sign up to the Mummere
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Speaker 4: It's time for best and Worst. This is the part
Speaker 4: of the show where we share a little more from
Speaker 4: our personal lives. There is no judgment. Hi brow, lowbrow, Holly,
Speaker 4: what is your worst?
Speaker 2: Okay, I've just realized I'm nervous about this worst because
Speaker 2: do you remember when we talked a few weeks ago
Speaker 2: about the woman who didn't love her cat anymore after
Speaker 2: she had a baby, and she wrote this very honest
Speaker 2: essay in the cut, and it has been.
Speaker 3: So better to put a statement out, to put a
Speaker 3: statement out.
Speaker 2: The trolling was so full on that they've had to
Speaker 2: put a statement out, being like, whoa, everybody, the cat's
Speaker 2: fine anyway. I've just suddenly got tingles around that because
Speaker 2: we went away last weekend and when we came home,
Speaker 2: you were a cat, HOLLI maybe when we came home
Speaker 2: Brent goes into got like this kind of room that's
Speaker 2: not quite part of the house, but it's part of
Speaker 2: that anyway. Whatever Brent goes into this room and he goes, oh,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, what one of the goldfishes died.
Speaker 4: I didn't know you.
Speaker 2: You've never made us the thing. I'd forgotten that we
Speaker 2: had goldfish.
Speaker 3: Goldfish are quite big fish, though they were taking up
Speaker 3: a bit of real estate.
Speaker 2: I have forgotten pretty much that next to Brent's computer
Speaker 2: in our living room, in a bit of the house
Speaker 2: that I don't go too much. And we don't live
Speaker 2: in a mansion, don't get me wrong, but anyway, we
Speaker 2: have a fish tank. We have two goldfish in there,
Speaker 2: and me and the children. Let's just be honest. Before
Speaker 2: we had dog, we used to really love our gold yeah,
Speaker 2: and then we had stick in sex we sort of
Speaker 2: loved them too, and we got our beautiful dog, Alvy.
Speaker 2: And now we've got our beautiful dog, Tuna. And it's
Speaker 2: all about the dog. But Brent is the keeper of
Speaker 2: the goldfish. He changes that water, he remembers to feed
Speaker 2: them when he goes away. He knows I will forget,
Speaker 2: so he always puts, you know, one of those released
Speaker 2: ones in there. And so my worst is that when
Speaker 2: we got home and we discovered that one of our
Speaker 2: goldfish had died, and these goldfish have been with us
Speaker 2: for a lot of years. Like when I last really
Speaker 2: remember interacting with the goldfish is when we moved down
Speaker 2: the coast, which is three years ago. I held them
Speaker 2: on my knee in their tank the whole way so
Speaker 2: it didn't spill and we could. So these fish have
Speaker 2: been with us a long time. Anyway. My worst is
Speaker 2: that poor Brent is obviously quite upset because there is
Speaker 2: fish and he looks after them, and me and the
Speaker 2: kids were like, ash, which one? And he goes to
Speaker 2: silver one and we're like, oh, is.
Speaker 3: There another one?
Speaker 2: There is this black one? And the kids go, I
Speaker 2: think that one's called I think it's called And I'm
Speaker 2: so really bad and poor Bread. I've been grieving the
Speaker 2: fish and every time I talked to him, sepping away
Speaker 2: up here this week a bit and I caught and
Speaker 2: he goes Midnight. We remembered what we called the black one.
Speaker 2: It's called Midnight. He's like Midnight's hanging in there, and
Speaker 2: me and the kids have to fade all this.
Speaker 3: You can do it, Midnight.
Speaker 2: How did I put the fish to rest?
Speaker 4: You keep trying, how did you did you to admit?
Speaker 2: How we put it in them. We would have buried it,
Speaker 2: but the dog would just dig it. Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 2: could put it in the veggie bed. That might be good.
Speaker 2: But anyway, I'm sorry for all the goldfish lovers out there.
Speaker 2: That's my worst, terrible selfish people, and poor Brent is
Speaker 2: unsupported in his grief.
Speaker 3: My best.
Speaker 2: The outluders will not be surprised about this. I have
Speaker 2: never been tagged in a post on social media as
Speaker 2: much as on Sunday morning. I woke up and my
Speaker 2: dms were full, My mentions were full on Instagram because
Speaker 2: David Beckham, Oh my god, David Beckham. He posted a long,
Speaker 2: like ninety seconds or more long garden tour of his
Speaker 2: garden in his luxurious English country estate. Was it impressive morning, so.
Speaker 6: Pretty impressive. Look at these spring onions, plum trees, plums
Speaker 6: are over now, I think. Then we've got all these
Speaker 6: amazing wildflowers that we have in the house that I've planted.
Speaker 6: Tell you what I'm doing very well over here, Kale.
Speaker 1: Look at that.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. He was wearing a flat cap. He
Speaker 2: introduced us to his chickens. Then he showed us all
Speaker 2: around and he showed me his cabbages, which are unbelievable,
Speaker 2: and the potatoes. And I've never really wanted to be rich.
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously, like everybody, I'd like to be comfortable
Speaker 2: and not have to worry about money and blah blah,
Speaker 2: but I've never been like, oh, I want a maserati
Speaker 2: in a mansion, Like that's not my vibe. But when
Speaker 2: I saw this garden, I was suddenly like, I want
Speaker 2: to be as rich as I can possibly fucking get
Speaker 2: so that I can have those veggie beds. He's like,
Speaker 2: got these amazing And I thought he lived in Miami
Speaker 2: because he runs a football team there, so I don't
Speaker 2: know who's looking after the garden every day, but anyway,
Speaker 2: his garden.
Speaker 4: His bees, bees must be.
Speaker 2: He has bees, he's making honey, he has chickens. He's
Speaker 2: making crisps with these potatoes. But that garden was so beautiful.
Speaker 2: And then the thing that made it my best was
Speaker 2: also Victoria Beckham, who I also adore, just commented like,
Speaker 2: who is this man? Can I please have my husband back?
Speaker 2: And those among us who feel misunderstood and our passion
Speaker 2: for gardening really resonated with that. It's like how you
Speaker 2: and me are talked to me when I start talking
Speaker 2: about the fact that I grew some potatoes, or that
Speaker 2: I maybe you put my tomatoes in a bit early
Speaker 2: this year, and you're just looking at me like she
Speaker 2: used to be interesting. That's how Victoria feels about David
Speaker 2: and I understand it. And one very smart out louder
Speaker 2: said to me, it's time to swap Brad Pitt because
Speaker 2: he's problematic. Oh, good points for David Beckham, and I
Speaker 2: think Kingham never has a truer word been spoken. David
Speaker 2: Beckham's garden tour is my best of the weeks.
Speaker 4: Oh, I love it. And what's your worst?
Speaker 3: Okay, My worst was having to go pick up my
Speaker 3: passport because I got a new passport photo we are
Speaker 3: You're going away. I'm going away at the end of
Speaker 3: the year, Singapore. So I did it really early, and
Speaker 3: it was kind of like one of the things where
Speaker 3: you could select whether it's sent to you, like to
Speaker 3: your home address, or whether you want to pick it up.
Speaker 3: And my mom told me to pick it up because
Speaker 3: she's scared that I would lose it or something will happen.
Speaker 3: So I ticked that box and then it was in
Speaker 3: the back of my mind, and then I got an
Speaker 3: email saying, hey, we can only hold this passport for
Speaker 3: a month. So it's nearly a month up. So I
Speaker 3: have this weird thing, which if me it was here,
Speaker 3: she'd be like, have you talked to your therapist?
Speaker 2: Had it?
Speaker 3: And I have, So I have talked about this. I
Speaker 3: have this weird thing where I get really anxious doing
Speaker 3: public chores by myself because I don't want to get
Speaker 3: things wrong and I don't want people to laugh at me,
Speaker 3: like I don't want to like push a pulled off
Speaker 3: an example, oh that kind yeah, like really small things.
Speaker 3: So I when I do public chores by myself, I
Speaker 3: really have to plan it out in my head. It's
Speaker 3: so weird.
Speaker 4: So you need like an errand friend.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I need an errand friend. And it's when you
Speaker 3: do it on a weekday, it's really hard.
Speaker 2: So what happened?
Speaker 3: So I went I went to go pick up my
Speaker 3: passport and here's where things went wrong. I went to
Speaker 3: the post office. I meant to go to the passport office,
Speaker 3: so I lined up. I went to the post office
Speaker 3: and I was like, hey, I'm here to pick up
Speaker 3: my passport and he was like, what do you mean?
Speaker 3: And I was like, I literally talked to you, like, oh,
Speaker 3: you do not remember me? And he was like, no,
Speaker 3: you have to go to the passport office. And there
Speaker 3: was like heaps of people in the room. He's like,
Speaker 3: you have to go to the passport office. We don't,
Speaker 3: we can't do that. It's a legal document. And something
Speaker 3: came over me where I didn't really think, and I
Speaker 3: just said.
Speaker 2: Can you lull your voice?
Speaker 4: Good girl?
Speaker 3: And he was taken aback and then I was taken
Speaker 3: aback and then we boach just stood there in silence,
Speaker 3: and then I just went, got it, see ya, thanks
Speaker 3: so much, and then I left, went to the past.
Speaker 3: It was fine. I got my peace.
Speaker 2: It was probably rude in his tone.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was just loud. It was allowed because I
Speaker 3: was like this friend, people are listening behind me. They're
Speaker 3: seeing this interaction happen. And I'm being very quiet and
Speaker 3: polite and demure. Yes, and he's going no, where the
Speaker 3: post office? Are you the post your voice?
Speaker 4: I've look, I will say, and big love to post
Speaker 4: office workers who are listening right, like ninety nine percent
Speaker 4: of you. Great. There are the odd post office workers
Speaker 4: who when they have to correct your passport form and
Speaker 4: tell you that you've made an error, they enjoy it.
Speaker 2: They do.
Speaker 4: There's a look in there and they.
Speaker 3: And then they can be. Others are watching as well.
Speaker 3: They're like, oh, I watch this go down exactly.
Speaker 4: I've been burned and so I respect you saying please
Speaker 4: lower your voice, sir, you're man explaining how to pick
Speaker 4: up my passport?
Speaker 2: Can you go pick it up? How is the photo anyway?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 2: I looked amazing because she did pay extra for We
Speaker 2: discussed this on Monday Show. If no one has listened,
Speaker 2: we had a little guest appearance pop in to tell
Speaker 2: us about how she'd made sure her passport photo was hot.
Speaker 2: Were you hot?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, really good.
Speaker 3: And also the new Australian passport looks really good as well. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's really nice.
Speaker 4: What's your best?
Speaker 3: My best is last week I went on a for mill,
Speaker 3: which is how would you explain a for mill?
Speaker 2: Like, it's a free trip, so you have to write
Speaker 2: about it. That's what a famill is.
Speaker 3: I went to Hawkesbury Valley the Crown Plaza, and I
Speaker 3: told my mom because it was the day of her
Speaker 3: birthday daughter, and we had the best day. We went there.
Speaker 3: We did a cocktail class, we got a bit tipsy,
Speaker 3: we had dinner. We shared a hotel room, and it
Speaker 3: was one of those moments where like, I think my
Speaker 3: parents and my grandparents kind of struggle to realize what
Speaker 3: I do for work. They don't really get it.
Speaker 2: Well, that's because you get to do things like that
Speaker 2: and that doesn't seem like work.
Speaker 3: It's so true until we're like at dinner and out loud.
Speaker 3: It's like, hey, I've listened to you on out loud,
Speaker 3: and then my dad full freaks out. He's like, get
Speaker 3: a photo with her, get a phone. I'm like, I'm
Speaker 3: not asking her for a photo. That's a bit weird.
Speaker 3: But it was like at dinner, like she was a
Speaker 3: bit tipsy, so I'll give it that. So I'm not
Speaker 3: sure if this is authentic or not, but I just
Speaker 3: saw like she like was like, oh, you're in a place,
Speaker 3: like she just kind of Oh, you've done something. I'm proud, Yeah, proud,
Speaker 3: And it's so nice. I just felt really good that
Speaker 3: I could take her on this little trip to Hawksbury Valley.
Speaker 3: It was so oh, I love that so much, Okay, Jesse.
Speaker 4: My worst is that on Sunday morning, I had like
Speaker 4: a lunch thing had to go to and I was like, oh,
Speaker 4: I better go put some makeup on. Couldn't find a
Speaker 4: bag anywhay, So go to the car. I'm like, I
Speaker 4: remember I left it in my front seat. I open
Speaker 4: it and I'm like, what has happened to my car?
Speaker 4: And it has been like upended pig sty like everything
Speaker 4: from the console and the glove box had been taken out,
Speaker 4: which is different to your normal car slightly, which was
Speaker 4: interesting because I wasn't the first one to look at
Speaker 4: the car this morning. Luca was like, Luca had seen
Speaker 4: it and just assumed that's how I lived. And I
Speaker 4: was like, that actually wasn't normal, and he did say, yeah.
Speaker 4: I wondered why the door was open. I was like,
Speaker 4: I don't leave my door open. I just left it
Speaker 4: unlocked anyway. So i'd been robbed.
Speaker 2: Oh, but your car got broken into. But then what
Speaker 2: I asked, it broke it into? She said, can you
Speaker 2: break it to something that isn't locked?
Speaker 4: According to insurance companies, it's so I had left that
Speaker 4: a little bit unlocked and the only thing they'd taken
Speaker 4: was my makeup bag, the only thing, the only thing,
Speaker 4: and there was nothing of it.
Speaker 3: But that would have been the most expensive thing.
Speaker 4: It's Honestly, it has really ruined my life because I,
Speaker 4: like Holly, I don't have aspirations to be rich. I
Speaker 4: don't have designer bags, don't have fancy clothes. Makeup is
Speaker 4: my one thing that I care about. And there would
Speaker 4: be a Bronzer from twenty fifteen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're like, it doesn't like I can't get it again,
Speaker 3: so I have to say favor it.
Speaker 4: And like, I got this incredible palette from the last
Speaker 4: time I was in the US, and I had every
Speaker 4: It's a really big bag and it had like all
Speaker 4: my eyeshadows and brushes and foundation and oh. I then
Speaker 4: had to go to this launch and it really threw
Speaker 4: a spanner in my weekend. I had to go to
Speaker 4: Mecha Sephora all of it with Luna that afternoon, and
Speaker 4: it was such a shit shopping trip as well, because
Speaker 4: it wasn't fun. It was like, no, I genuinely just
Speaker 4: made an eyebraps.
Speaker 3: Meant to be fun.
Speaker 4: It's meant to be fun. And I bought like just
Speaker 4: the week before, like Charlotte Tillbury mascara that I've never
Speaker 4: even been able to use, So pray for me.
Speaker 2: That's an expense problem. And also going and Buying all
Speaker 2: makeup at once brings you very close up to just how.
Speaker 3: No one should know, but you should be able to
Speaker 3: get your make a loop box soon.
Speaker 4: Then every time I spent something, I was like, I
Speaker 4: swear I should get a gift, like I robbed. I
Speaker 4: deserve free things. My best is that I got my
Speaker 4: hair done last week and you know someone's coming, it's
Speaker 4: getting warm, and my hairdresser said, do you want to
Speaker 4: try the scandy hairline? I think I've seen this on.
Speaker 2: That what's a scandy hairline trend?
Speaker 4: Holly? I just feel like you could be into it.
Speaker 4: So I had seen it on TikTok, but I didn't
Speaker 4: think I.
Speaker 2: Was cool enough. He keeps talking about scandy things. She
Speaker 2: keeps saying, I'm doing like scandy style. I'm like, what
Speaker 2: is she talking about?
Speaker 3: Do you mean Scandinavian?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got that bit. I'm like, okay, anyway, contain yourself.
Speaker 4: She's talking about either I just interesting. But what it
Speaker 4: is basically is they get all your baby hairs and
Speaker 4: your hairs at the front, like and I've got a
Speaker 4: lot because postpart and they paint them and bleach them basically,
Speaker 4: and it looks very kind of Nordic Scandinavian. It almost
Speaker 4: looks more blonde and more natural and more sun kissed
Speaker 4: because it's what happens during summer to your hair. And
Speaker 4: anyway she did this, I have just felt so cool
Speaker 4: because like I have my finger on the poles like
Speaker 4: not me, but she did, and.
Speaker 2: It does look very nice.
Speaker 4: It looks really good fresh, you know how like Ballyage
Speaker 4: was in for a while where it was like your
Speaker 4: darker roots or whatever, but she just nailed it. And
Speaker 4: I actually love going to the hairdresser at the moment
Speaker 4: because it's four hours and.
Speaker 3: That looks nice. I couldn't do that. I look crazy, but.
Speaker 4: I have dark brown hair and now I have a
Speaker 4: light fringe.
Speaker 2: It would be very Friends, you know that our best
Speaker 2: and worst is our chance to be frivolous and silly.
Speaker 2: Please jump in the out Louders group and tell us
Speaker 2: what your best and worst of the week have been.
Speaker 2: And that is all we have time for today and
Speaker 2: this week. A massive thank you to you out Louders
Speaker 2: for being here with us all of this week, and
Speaker 2: a very big thank you to our team that is
Speaker 2: Executive producer Ruth de Vine, Senior producer Emmiline, gazillis, our
Speaker 2: audio producers Leah Porges, and our social media producer is
Speaker 2: Isabelle Dolphin, otherwise known as Dolph. Goodbye friends, We'll see
Speaker 2: you next week.
Speaker 4: And before we go. If you watch the presidential debate
Speaker 4: on Wednesday like we did, or maybe you didn't, you
Speaker 4: just want a debrief, then yesterday's subscriber episode, Holly Maya
Speaker 4: and Absolute expert Amelia Lester did a deep dive. Here's
Speaker 4: a little taste.
Speaker 5: Can I just share my cynical for on vit Taylor endorsement.
Speaker 5: The timing was pretty interesting to come out immediately after
Speaker 5: the debate. I think to some extent, stole Kamala Harris's
Speaker 5: thunder and what was a sort of resounding victory in
Speaker 5: the debate. It just made me wonder would she have
Speaker 5: sent that Instagram had Kamala Harris not done so well
Speaker 5: in the debate. Was she waiting to check that she
Speaker 5: wasn't backing a dud?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's literally what Jesse said, and I
Speaker 2: was like, absolutely not.
Speaker 4: Like, first of all, there is a link to that
Speaker 4: episode in the show notes.
Speaker 3: See ya.
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