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Speaker 2: Mamma Mia out Loud and to our Friday show where

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Speaker 2: we take a break from the news cycle and gosh,

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Speaker 2: this week it's been quite the news cycle and breathe out. Hello.

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Speaker 2: This is my ASMR and I'm trying to make it

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Speaker 2: better but still icky. Today is Friday, the thirteenth of September,

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Speaker 2: and my name is Holly Wainwright.

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Speaker 3: I'm Jesse Stevens, and I'm m Vernon filling in for

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Speaker 3: me today. You can normally hear me on our daily

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Speaker 3: entertainment podcast, The Spill.

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Speaker 2: On today's show are your female friendships being sabotaged by

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Speaker 2: affirmation culture? Also make up a book and a Jesse

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Speaker 2: endorsed true crime doc o. It's recommendations and our best

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Speaker 2: and worst of the week include a pet death, a

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Speaker 2: break in, and a dodgy passport picture. But first, Jesse Stevens.

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Speaker 4: In case you missed it, Dave Grohl fifty five has

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Speaker 4: fathered a child outside his twenty one year marriage, and

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Speaker 4: we know this because he posted about it.

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Speaker 2: On Instagram. Why did he post about it on Instagram?

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Speaker 4: His wife was holding a gun to his headit. I

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Speaker 4: don't have evidence of that, but that was the sense

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Speaker 4: I had. The lead singer of the Foo Fighters shared

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Speaker 4: a tile to his one point five million followers on

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Speaker 4: Wednesday that read, I've recently become the father of a

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Speaker 4: new baby daughter born outside of my marriage. I planned

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Speaker 4: to be a loving and supportive parent to her. I

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Speaker 4: love my wife and my children. I'm doing everything I

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Speaker 4: can to regain their trust and earn their forgiveness. We're

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Speaker 4: grateful for your consideration towards all the children involved as

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Speaker 4: we move forward together. Grohl and his wife Jordan Bloom

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Speaker 4: have three children together, the eldest of which is eighteen. Holly,

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Speaker 4: are you shocked by this news?

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Speaker 2: It's just embarrassing. I can't overstate how much gen X

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Speaker 2: men love the Foo Fighters.

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Speaker 3: Right, Oh, Foo Fighters. So I had to look him up, yeah,

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Speaker 3: because I didn't know who he was.

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Speaker 4: He didn't know who Dave Grohl was.

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Speaker 2: He was in Nirvana with Kirk Cobbain. Oh so he's

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Speaker 2: old school, Yeah yeah, old school cool. So he was

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Speaker 2: in Nirvana with Kirk Cobain and then he went on

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Speaker 2: to form The Food Fighters, who are an enormously successful band. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: but like gen X, white dudes love the Food Fighters

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Speaker 2: so much and I don't. It's like that Church.

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Speaker 4: I don't know a heap about him, but my gut,

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Speaker 4: you know how we have our bad men radar and

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Speaker 2: Well, there's a little Taylor Swift problem, but apart from that,

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Speaker 2: he's generally been seen as a good dude, came through

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Speaker 2: a difficult time. Blah blah blah blah blah. This is

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Speaker 2: so embarrassing. What's embarrassing about this is fifty five year

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Speaker 2: old men should not be posting apology declarations like this

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Speaker 2: on social media. They don't understand it, they don't do

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Speaker 2: it right. It's just mortifying. Keep it to yourself, Dave.

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Speaker 3: What I find more embarrassing is the type of post,

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Speaker 3: because it's not a note at post. It looks like

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Speaker 4: This is what i'mstand I was.

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Speaker 3: Looking at the rest of his grid, and he liked

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Speaker 2: The other thing that's worth noting is so he has

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Speaker 2: quite a very well selling memoir called Storytellers that's like

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Speaker 2: hear the publicists and the publishers scrambling to be like,

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Speaker 2: how do we incorporate this horror? Some people are very

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Speaker 2: upset about it, and some people say it's Swifty's revenge,

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Speaker 2: because you're right, Jesse, I've always thought he was a

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Speaker 3: He said she actually had to we actually play live. Yes, yeah,

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Speaker 4: Well, look, we're not here for the you know, the

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Speaker 2: That is exactly what we do here.

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Speaker 4: We notice an unpacked cultural trends and this reminded me

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Speaker 4: and it's very serious and I like you both.

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Speaker 2: Listener.

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Speaker 4: There was an article on Mama Maya with the headline

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Speaker 2: And when is our rule is being hit by that?

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Speaker 4: Exactly? It gets all of us. When is Albo going

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Speaker 4: to address that in front of parliament? Is my question.

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Speaker 4: The theory originated on Twitter and TikTok, and it's based

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Speaker 4: largely on vibes. They believe that there are less second

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Speaker 4: families than there were in say, the eighties and nineties.

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Speaker 4: Some tweets read bring back affordable second families. Most people

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Speaker 4: can't even afford half a family. There are calls for

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Speaker 4: an academic paper to be written on the decline privilege.

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Speaker 2: Isn't it that he can afford to have this second

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Speaker 3: Yeah, generations are going to get that.

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Speaker 4: Exactly right, I reckon. Maybe that's why Dave had to post,

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Speaker 4: because he's probably got a CROWDFUNDI second family. How am

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Speaker 2: I know we should not laugh because there are real

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Speaker 2: people affected by this, but we think about your female friendships.

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Speaker 2: If you vent in real life in your group chat

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Speaker 2: total dig. Don't beat yourself up about that. If you

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Speaker 2: your boss, do you expect that your female friends will say, yes,

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Speaker 2: they sound like a complete idiot. They don't know how

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Speaker 2: in your group chat, do you expect them to say,

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Speaker 2: it's so hard, DHL, you're doing a great job. I

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Speaker 2: think the answer to all of those things.

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Speaker 4: Is yes, absolutely yes.

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Speaker 2: My answer is absolutely yes, And if yours is too,

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Speaker 2: then your friendships might have been infected with affirmation culture.

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Speaker 2: As expressed in an article in The Cut by Catherine

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Speaker 2: jesse morton affirmation culture, This idea is that the lens

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Speaker 2: et cetera. And so within our groups of female friendship,

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Speaker 2: we need our view validated and we need support and

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Speaker 2: validation and recognition. A sign of good friendship, of loyalty

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Speaker 2: is being on your side no matter what we want.

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Speaker 2: Our groups to hold us up, not hold us accountable

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Speaker 2: for things that we, god forbid, might have fucked up

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Speaker 2: Do you recognize affirmation culture in your friend group?

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Speaker 3: Yes, I have a lot of affirmation friends. I am

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Speaker 3: not one of them. What I'm an anti affirmationer?

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Speaker 2: I thought you were very yes girl slave, etc.

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Speaker 3: I yeah, yes, girls say. I am the kind of

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Speaker 2: To tell you.

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Speaker 4: So, Okay, we're out to dinner and I say complaints

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Speaker 4: Go what do you say?

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Speaker 3: I say, you need to talk to him about this.

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to be that friend to be like,

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Speaker 3: oh that sucks, let's go order some dessert. Oh my goodness,

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Speaker 3: I need to break this because I want the best

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Speaker 3: Is I care? I care? I want you to fix this.

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Speaker 3: You're breaking with social contract, I know, but I do

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Speaker 3: have rules for being the anti affirmation friend. So it's

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Speaker 3: always like, if you just want to vent to me,

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Speaker 3: actually want advice I ask, I'll be like, do you

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Speaker 3: just want to vent to me?

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Speaker 2: Oh? This is very good. She's very evolved because it's true.

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Speaker 2: I do not want criticism unless I've asked for it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I never do it in a group chat.

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Speaker 3: So my friends know because they know that I'm the

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Speaker 3: I'll just stay silent and I'll just read all their

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Speaker 2: So hold on back to role play. I'm in your

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Speaker 2: a bitch, or my husband's a dick, or my kid's

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Speaker 2: an asshole or whatever. All the other girls are going yeah.

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Speaker 2: And then the next thing that happens is in my

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Speaker 2: And then I get a voice note from you that

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Speaker 3: Is that what's gonna happen? I'm not mean so, but

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Speaker 3: I will bring up stuff like, hey, maybe she acted

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Speaker 4: And is that one you honestly want? So let's say

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Speaker 4: and you're sitting there going, oh, my goodness, he hasn't

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Speaker 4: there's a script I'll read from it, y, or do

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Speaker 4: you want them to be like you know actually, well,

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Speaker 4: why don't you message first or do you want like

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Speaker 3: That's where I struggle because all of my friends are

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Speaker 3: Was I have to train one of my friends to

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Speaker 2: Do you literally do am I the asshole? Like you

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Speaker 2: know what I mean? So you'll be this guy isn't

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Speaker 2: calling me or whatever it is, blah blah blah, tell

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm the commenter. That's like the top comment way.

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Speaker 3: Either tell them that the asshole or that they're not

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Speaker 4: The thing is, I know I'm the asshole. Yes, there's

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Speaker 4: no doubt. If you think I don't have the self

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Speaker 2: I'm definitely affirmation.

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Speaker 3: I think affirmation friends can be rage friends, but I

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Speaker 2: You can to stop them in their tracks. I think

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Speaker 2: Actually, I was thinking about why we've evolved into affirmation

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Speaker 2: real friends don't do that. Am I breathing affirmation culture

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Speaker 4: That, because there's something about affirmation culture that is socially

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Speaker 3: But like with the person who's not the affirmation friend,

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Speaker 4: And you know what it is, it's coming from good faith.

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Speaker 4: So it's like there's a lot of bad faith criticism

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Speaker 2: That's like that.

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Speaker 3: I would be that that's like a.

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Speaker 2: Good material like Dolly Alderton book, where they're basically like

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Speaker 2: Like what is in that haircut is? Buddy? You know

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Speaker 2: Holy Grail is foundations that aren't quite foundations, you know,

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Speaker 2: Well, no, not like a primer, like a tint because

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Speaker 2: as you get older, and mine certainly is a hormonally

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Speaker 2: changes that you get with hormones. Anyway, So I love

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Speaker 4: A thing, and good for summer too, very dewey.

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Speaker 2: Two good ones that I've been loving lately so hard

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Speaker 2: you can buy a chemist warehouse. It's called Mavala. Mavala

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Speaker 2: that's a siderecho. They're only about eight dollars too, those

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Speaker 2: Bare Minerals Complexion Rescue Skin perfecting tint. Right, so not

435
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Speaker 2: really a foundation, a tint. But I bought this because

436
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Speaker 2: on my constant hunt and Bar Minerals is a good brand.

437
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Speaker 2: They do a really good concealer, and I was like,

438
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Speaker 2: I'm going to try it, and I'm obsessed. I've been

439
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Speaker 2: using it every day when I'm not using Mama Vala.

440
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Speaker 2: I like to.

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Speaker 3: Mecca.

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Speaker 2: Yes it isn't Mecca. It's about sixty five dollars, so

443
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Speaker 2: it is expensive, but it's really good. SPF thirty and

444
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Speaker 2: again just that perfect mix of like making you glowy

445
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Speaker 2: and even but not settling in all your lines and stuff.

446
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Speaker 2: So not there's anything wrong with our lines. Fans I

447
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Speaker 2: spoke to Gina Chick this week. She calls them our

448
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Speaker 2: silver feathers. But we'll put the link.

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Speaker 4: You're looking, Chloe, I have a true crime documentary recommendation.

450
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Speaker 4: So have either of you heard of the true crime

451
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Speaker 4: documentary called The Jinx.

452
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Speaker 3: No, that sounds scary.

453
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Speaker 2: One thing that was very telling it Bob said. He said,

454
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Speaker 2: all my life, I've had more money than I could spend,

455
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Speaker 2: and it didn't make me hammy. She talked on the

456
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Speaker 2: telephone with her husband, then she vanished.

457
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Speaker 4: And no one has seen Kathleen Durst since Durst.

458
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Speaker 5: Was wanted for murder in Texas.

459
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Speaker 6: It's a suspect for murders in Los Angeles, Westchester County,

460
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Speaker 6: New York. He belongs to one of the richest families

461
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Speaker 6: in New York City.

462
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Speaker 1: Might be a little eccentric.

463
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Speaker 2: I think Bob was very smart. I mean, he's managed

464
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Speaker 2: to get away with three murders. I don't do true

465
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Speaker 2: crime documentaries very often.

466
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Speaker 4: Well, it's widely considered to be one of the best

467
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Speaker 4: true crime series ever made. It's like when people nowaday, Yeah,

468
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Speaker 4: it is embarrassing. Actually, there was a season in twenty

469
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Speaker 4: fifteen of this and the fust episode is mind blowing,

470
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Speaker 4: probably one of the best, most twisty kind of episodes

471
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Speaker 4: you could imagine in a true crime do.

472
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Speaker 2: What's it about?

473
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Speaker 4: So it's about a man named Bob Durst, and it

474
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Speaker 4: begins with a body that's found in a river, and

475
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Speaker 4: at first five minutes I was like, I'm not really

476
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Speaker 4: in like, it's just this body and you don't really

477
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Speaker 4: know who it is. Anyway, you learn pretty quickly that

478
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Speaker 4: the key suspect is this guy named Bob Durst. But

479
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Speaker 4: it turns out that's just not what the show is about.

480
00:22:37,367 --> 00:22:39,087
Speaker 4: The show is about the fact that he is a

481
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Speaker 4: multi multi multi millionaire. He's the heir to a real

482
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Speaker 4: estate company in New York. And what he does is

483
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Speaker 4: this body has been dismembered and thrown in a river.

484
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Speaker 4: It's proven that he dismembered the body. But he has

485
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Speaker 4: to defend himself in court and he can obviously afford

486
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Speaker 4: the best defense team ever and he does. And so

487
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Speaker 4: the stories that he tells about what happened are just

488
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Speaker 4: you're laughing, You're like shocked it at all. But the

489
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Speaker 4: other question that comes up in this first season and

490
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Speaker 4: is hang on what happened to his first wife, who disappeared,

491
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Speaker 4: and what happened to his best friend, to his murdered

492
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Speaker 4: and did he do so? That season went down history books.

493
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Speaker 4: Now April of this year, nine years after the first season,

494
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Speaker 4: the second season.

495
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Speaker 1: Drops as the Jinx aired. Bob and I spoke after

496
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Speaker 1: every episode. He was very nervous and I thought to myself,

497
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Speaker 1: he's going to ry. My captain told me, whatever you do,

498
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Speaker 1: don't let Robert Durst get away. Bob was going to

499
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Speaker 1: flee the country, never to return, and of course that

500
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Speaker 1: didn't happen. Hello, this is a prefat call from a.

501
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Speaker 3: Oh boy.

502
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Speaker 4: The documentary, the first one uncovered new evidence. This final

503
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Speaker 4: scene in this first season was explosive, and that new

504
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Speaker 4: evidence set a sort of president for a new trial.

505
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Speaker 4: And the second season is all about this new trial.

506
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Speaker 4: He sits there, it's during COVID. He's like cross examined,

507
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Speaker 4: the genius in terms of like being a fly on

508
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Speaker 4: the wall in a courtroom. It is outstanding. I think

509
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Speaker 4: that Bob Durst himself was cross examined for something like

510
00:24:26,287 --> 00:24:30,607
Speaker 4: seven full days like this man. The Guardian call him

511
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Speaker 4: the serial killer who just won't shut up, if you

512
00:24:34,447 --> 00:24:37,207
Speaker 4: just won't stop talking. It is so addictive. Lucra and

513
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Speaker 4: I have been sitting on the lounge every night just

514
00:24:39,167 --> 00:24:40,887
Speaker 4: gasping and laughing.

515
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Speaker 2: So I assume that obviously for people who are embarrassingly

516
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Speaker 2: behind the times, like a night, we have to watch

517
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Speaker 2: season one first.

518
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Speaker 4: Yes, and it doesn't feel like it was nine years ago.

519
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Speaker 4: I watched it from the beginning. I think I watched

520
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Speaker 4: all those years ago, but I'd forgotten, so i watched

521
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Speaker 4: it from the beginning and now I've just finished season two.

522
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Speaker 4: It's on Binge Brilliant called the Jinx.

523
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Speaker 3: Okay. I have a book recommendation. It is called Lies

524
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Speaker 3: and Weddings by Kevin Kwan. He wrote Crazy Rich Agent. Yes, yes,

525
00:25:06,567 --> 00:25:08,727
Speaker 3: it's so good, and I think he's kind of developing

526
00:25:08,767 --> 00:25:12,127
Speaker 3: a universe because there's like characters from Crazy Rich Asians

527
00:25:12,167 --> 00:25:14,727
Speaker 3: in this book. So if you read Crazy Rich Asians,

528
00:25:14,727 --> 00:25:16,727
Speaker 3: I watched it, you know it's all just bad wealth,

529
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Speaker 3: like the amount of wealth some people have. This one

530
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Speaker 3: takes it to a whole new level. It's so good.

531
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Speaker 3: It's about a royal adjacent family in England. The dad's

532
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Speaker 3: an earl, which.

533
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Speaker 2: I'm not too sure that's part of the royal family.

534
00:25:26,927 --> 00:25:29,087
Speaker 3: One of them, and the mum is a former Hong

535
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Speaker 3: Kong supermodel and they have three children, a boy and

536
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Speaker 3: two girls who are now in their mid twenties late twenties.

537
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Speaker 3: And the kid's job is to just marry rich into

538
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Speaker 3: a wealthy family with the title, and it just goes

539
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Speaker 3: through all of these like rich people things. I'm reading

540
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Speaker 3: it on my kindle. Do you either of you use

541
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Speaker 3: a kindle? You know how on a kindle? So on

542
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Speaker 3: a kindle, sometimes it will give you suggestions on what

543
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Speaker 3: to highlight. Yep, So like you'll be reading it and

544
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Speaker 3: then it will be like so it will like get

545
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Speaker 3: what other people have read in the book because you

546
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Speaker 3: can highlight in kindles. So if you want to go

547
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Speaker 3: back to a certain quote, quote.

548
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Speaker 4: If it was to kill a mockingbird, like it would

549
00:26:05,927 --> 00:26:08,607
Speaker 4: be the most brilliant quote that someone's kind of it's

550
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Speaker 4: like they've underl in their book.

551
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Speaker 2: And I can show you in real life when I'm

552
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Speaker 2: studying is.

553
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Speaker 3: That and I'll give you a suggestion. It'll be like

554
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Speaker 3: twenty seven people have highlighted this suggestion.

555
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Speaker 2: See me that all these interviews I do where I

556
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Speaker 2: read the books and I go through and underline things,

557
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Speaker 2: I could just have them on a freaking kindle and

558
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Speaker 2: I would only have to read the highlights. Is that

559
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Speaker 2: what you're telling?

560
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Speaker 4: And you know what else you could do, Holly, is

561
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Speaker 4: you could download your books and see.

562
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Speaker 3: What people what people are highlighting. So that tells you

563
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Speaker 3: You'll be like, sixteen people have highlighted this phrase, so

564
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Speaker 3: it's like, oh, you might want to pay attention to

565
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Speaker 3: this one or highlighted yourself with this book. What I've

566
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Speaker 3: noticed is that everything that people have been highlighting are

567
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Speaker 3: just really rich words and no one really understands. So

568
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Speaker 3: I know that highlighting them to google later. It is

569
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Speaker 3: so funny. It's such a good book. I always pick

570
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Speaker 3: it up in like the airport. It was like one

571
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Speaker 3: of my airport reads. Read it in the day.

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Speaker 2: It's so good. Oh, Crazy Rich Asians is a bloody

573
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Speaker 2: brilliant holiday book. So this sounds like it's amazing.

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Speaker 4: I've heard great things about this. For links to all

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Speaker 4: our recommendations, make sure you sign up to the Mummere

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577
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Speaker 4: an insight into what's happening behind the scenes. There will

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Speaker 4: be a link in the show notes.

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Speaker 2: One Unlimited out Loud access. We drop episodes every Tuesday

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Speaker 2: all our current subscribers.

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Speaker 4: It's time for best and Worst. This is the part

585
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Speaker 4: of the show where we share a little more from

586
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Speaker 4: our personal lives. There is no judgment. Hi brow, lowbrow, Holly,

587
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Speaker 4: what is your worst?

588
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Speaker 2: Okay, I've just realized I'm nervous about this worst because

589
00:27:55,287 --> 00:27:57,727
Speaker 2: do you remember when we talked a few weeks ago

590
00:27:57,807 --> 00:27:59,887
Speaker 2: about the woman who didn't love her cat anymore after

591
00:27:59,927 --> 00:28:02,367
Speaker 2: she had a baby, and she wrote this very honest

592
00:28:02,487 --> 00:28:04,647
Speaker 2: essay in the cut, and it has been.

593
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Speaker 3: So better to put a statement out, to put a

594
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Speaker 3: statement out.

595
00:28:07,687 --> 00:28:10,807
Speaker 2: The trolling was so full on that they've had to

596
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Speaker 2: put a statement out, being like, whoa, everybody, the cat's

597
00:28:13,927 --> 00:28:17,567
Speaker 2: fine anyway. I've just suddenly got tingles around that because

598
00:28:18,047 --> 00:28:20,007
Speaker 2: we went away last weekend and when we came home,

599
00:28:20,087 --> 00:28:24,767
Speaker 2: you were a cat, HOLLI maybe when we came home

600
00:28:24,887 --> 00:28:27,727
Speaker 2: Brent goes into got like this kind of room that's

601
00:28:27,767 --> 00:28:29,487
Speaker 2: not quite part of the house, but it's part of

602
00:28:29,487 --> 00:28:33,167
Speaker 2: that anyway. Whatever Brent goes into this room and he goes, oh,

603
00:28:33,287 --> 00:28:35,407
Speaker 2: and I'm like, what one of the goldfishes died.

604
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Speaker 4: I didn't know you.

605
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Speaker 2: You've never made us the thing. I'd forgotten that we

606
00:28:40,287 --> 00:28:43,247
Speaker 2: had goldfish.

607
00:28:43,487 --> 00:28:46,407
Speaker 3: Goldfish are quite big fish, though they were taking up

608
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Speaker 3: a bit of real estate.

609
00:28:47,447 --> 00:28:50,407
Speaker 2: I have forgotten pretty much that next to Brent's computer

610
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Speaker 2: in our living room, in a bit of the house

611
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Speaker 2: that I don't go too much. And we don't live

612
00:28:54,367 --> 00:28:56,527
Speaker 2: in a mansion, don't get me wrong, but anyway, we

613
00:28:56,567 --> 00:28:58,607
Speaker 2: have a fish tank. We have two goldfish in there,

614
00:28:58,847 --> 00:29:01,847
Speaker 2: and me and the children. Let's just be honest. Before

615
00:29:01,887 --> 00:29:05,647
Speaker 2: we had dog, we used to really love our gold yeah,

616
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Speaker 2: and then we had stick in sex we sort of

617
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Speaker 2: loved them too, and we got our beautiful dog, Alvy.

618
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Speaker 2: And now we've got our beautiful dog, Tuna. And it's

619
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Speaker 2: all about the dog. But Brent is the keeper of

620
00:29:15,087 --> 00:29:18,087
Speaker 2: the goldfish. He changes that water, he remembers to feed

621
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Speaker 2: them when he goes away. He knows I will forget,

622
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Speaker 2: so he always puts, you know, one of those released

623
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Speaker 2: ones in there. And so my worst is that when

624
00:29:26,087 --> 00:29:28,007
Speaker 2: we got home and we discovered that one of our

625
00:29:28,207 --> 00:29:30,527
Speaker 2: goldfish had died, and these goldfish have been with us

626
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Speaker 2: for a lot of years. Like when I last really

627
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Speaker 2: remember interacting with the goldfish is when we moved down

628
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Speaker 2: the coast, which is three years ago. I held them

629
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Speaker 2: on my knee in their tank the whole way so

630
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Speaker 2: it didn't spill and we could. So these fish have

631
00:29:44,807 --> 00:29:47,287
Speaker 2: been with us a long time. Anyway. My worst is

632
00:29:47,327 --> 00:29:49,687
Speaker 2: that poor Brent is obviously quite upset because there is

633
00:29:49,727 --> 00:29:51,247
Speaker 2: fish and he looks after them, and me and the

634
00:29:51,327 --> 00:29:54,727
Speaker 2: kids were like, ash, which one? And he goes to

635
00:29:54,847 --> 00:29:56,887
Speaker 2: silver one and we're like, oh, is.

636
00:29:56,847 --> 00:29:58,967
Speaker 3: There another one?

637
00:29:59,367 --> 00:30:02,247
Speaker 2: There is this black one? And the kids go, I

638
00:30:02,247 --> 00:30:07,487
Speaker 2: think that one's called I think it's called And I'm

639
00:30:07,527 --> 00:30:10,207
Speaker 2: so really bad and poor Bread. I've been grieving the

640
00:30:10,247 --> 00:30:12,407
Speaker 2: fish and every time I talked to him, sepping away

641
00:30:12,487 --> 00:30:14,287
Speaker 2: up here this week a bit and I caught and

642
00:30:14,327 --> 00:30:17,407
Speaker 2: he goes Midnight. We remembered what we called the black one.

643
00:30:17,407 --> 00:30:20,247
Speaker 2: It's called Midnight. He's like Midnight's hanging in there, and

644
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Speaker 2: me and the kids have to fade all this.

645
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Speaker 3: You can do it, Midnight.

646
00:30:25,487 --> 00:30:26,967
Speaker 2: How did I put the fish to rest?

647
00:30:27,087 --> 00:30:30,407
Speaker 4: You keep trying, how did you did you to admit?

648
00:30:30,447 --> 00:30:34,247
Speaker 2: How we put it in them. We would have buried it,

649
00:30:34,287 --> 00:30:37,047
Speaker 2: but the dog would just dig it. Yeah, yeah, I

650
00:30:37,087 --> 00:30:39,367
Speaker 2: could put it in the veggie bed. That might be good.

651
00:30:39,407 --> 00:30:43,007
Speaker 2: But anyway, I'm sorry for all the goldfish lovers out there.

652
00:30:43,127 --> 00:30:45,847
Speaker 2: That's my worst, terrible selfish people, and poor Brent is

653
00:30:45,887 --> 00:30:47,087
Speaker 2: unsupported in his grief.

654
00:30:48,447 --> 00:30:48,967
Speaker 3: My best.

655
00:30:49,007 --> 00:30:51,047
Speaker 2: The outluders will not be surprised about this. I have

656
00:30:51,247 --> 00:30:54,767
Speaker 2: never been tagged in a post on social media as

657
00:30:54,847 --> 00:30:57,567
Speaker 2: much as on Sunday morning. I woke up and my

658
00:30:57,727 --> 00:31:01,927
Speaker 2: dms were full, My mentions were full on Instagram because

659
00:31:02,047 --> 00:31:06,967
Speaker 2: David Beckham, Oh my god, David Beckham. He posted a long,

660
00:31:07,447 --> 00:31:11,727
Speaker 2: like ninety seconds or more long garden tour of his

661
00:31:12,487 --> 00:31:19,127
Speaker 2: garden in his luxurious English country estate. Was it impressive morning, so.

662
00:31:20,927 --> 00:31:26,287
Speaker 6: Pretty impressive. Look at these spring onions, plum trees, plums

663
00:31:26,287 --> 00:31:30,087
Speaker 6: are over now, I think. Then we've got all these

664
00:31:30,167 --> 00:31:34,687
Speaker 6: amazing wildflowers that we have in the house that I've planted.

665
00:31:35,007 --> 00:31:39,687
Speaker 6: Tell you what I'm doing very well over here, Kale.

666
00:31:40,367 --> 00:31:40,767
Speaker 1: Look at that.

667
00:31:41,647 --> 00:31:44,167
Speaker 2: Oh my god. He was wearing a flat cap. He

668
00:31:44,207 --> 00:31:46,607
Speaker 2: introduced us to his chickens. Then he showed us all

669
00:31:46,607 --> 00:31:49,407
Speaker 2: around and he showed me his cabbages, which are unbelievable,

670
00:31:49,447 --> 00:31:52,807
Speaker 2: and the potatoes. And I've never really wanted to be rich.

671
00:31:52,847 --> 00:31:55,167
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously, like everybody, I'd like to be comfortable

672
00:31:55,167 --> 00:31:56,767
Speaker 2: and not have to worry about money and blah blah,

673
00:31:56,807 --> 00:31:58,607
Speaker 2: but I've never been like, oh, I want a maserati

674
00:31:58,647 --> 00:32:00,687
Speaker 2: in a mansion, Like that's not my vibe. But when

675
00:32:00,727 --> 00:32:02,487
Speaker 2: I saw this garden, I was suddenly like, I want

676
00:32:02,487 --> 00:32:04,327
Speaker 2: to be as rich as I can possibly fucking get

677
00:32:04,327 --> 00:32:06,927
Speaker 2: so that I can have those veggie beds. He's like,

678
00:32:07,687 --> 00:32:10,967
Speaker 2: got these amazing And I thought he lived in Miami

679
00:32:11,007 --> 00:32:13,127
Speaker 2: because he runs a football team there, so I don't

680
00:32:13,127 --> 00:32:16,007
Speaker 2: know who's looking after the garden every day, but anyway,

681
00:32:16,007 --> 00:32:16,807
Speaker 2: his garden.

682
00:32:17,927 --> 00:32:19,327
Speaker 4: His bees, bees must be.

683
00:32:19,407 --> 00:32:23,167
Speaker 2: He has bees, he's making honey, he has chickens. He's

684
00:32:23,207 --> 00:32:26,127
Speaker 2: making crisps with these potatoes. But that garden was so beautiful.

685
00:32:26,127 --> 00:32:27,967
Speaker 2: And then the thing that made it my best was

686
00:32:28,007 --> 00:32:33,367
Speaker 2: also Victoria Beckham, who I also adore, just commented like,

687
00:32:33,607 --> 00:32:36,647
Speaker 2: who is this man? Can I please have my husband back?

688
00:32:37,087 --> 00:32:39,687
Speaker 2: And those among us who feel misunderstood and our passion

689
00:32:39,687 --> 00:32:42,447
Speaker 2: for gardening really resonated with that. It's like how you

690
00:32:42,527 --> 00:32:45,167
Speaker 2: and me are talked to me when I start talking

691
00:32:45,207 --> 00:32:47,287
Speaker 2: about the fact that I grew some potatoes, or that

692
00:32:47,407 --> 00:32:49,207
Speaker 2: I maybe you put my tomatoes in a bit early

693
00:32:49,287 --> 00:32:51,167
Speaker 2: this year, and you're just looking at me like she

694
00:32:51,367 --> 00:32:54,647
Speaker 2: used to be interesting. That's how Victoria feels about David

695
00:32:54,847 --> 00:32:57,447
Speaker 2: and I understand it. And one very smart out louder

696
00:32:57,487 --> 00:32:59,687
Speaker 2: said to me, it's time to swap Brad Pitt because

697
00:32:59,687 --> 00:33:03,407
Speaker 2: he's problematic. Oh, good points for David Beckham, and I

698
00:33:03,447 --> 00:33:07,007
Speaker 2: think Kingham never has a truer word been spoken. David

699
00:33:07,047 --> 00:33:09,167
Speaker 2: Beckham's garden tour is my best of the weeks.

700
00:33:09,287 --> 00:33:11,807
Speaker 4: Oh, I love it. And what's your worst?

701
00:33:12,087 --> 00:33:15,567
Speaker 3: Okay, My worst was having to go pick up my

702
00:33:15,607 --> 00:33:19,167
Speaker 3: passport because I got a new passport photo we are

703
00:33:19,167 --> 00:33:21,207
Speaker 3: You're going away. I'm going away at the end of

704
00:33:21,247 --> 00:33:24,287
Speaker 3: the year, Singapore. So I did it really early, and

705
00:33:24,367 --> 00:33:25,807
Speaker 3: it was kind of like one of the things where

706
00:33:25,927 --> 00:33:28,007
Speaker 3: you could select whether it's sent to you, like to

707
00:33:28,007 --> 00:33:29,887
Speaker 3: your home address, or whether you want to pick it up.

708
00:33:30,327 --> 00:33:32,007
Speaker 3: And my mom told me to pick it up because

709
00:33:32,047 --> 00:33:34,007
Speaker 3: she's scared that I would lose it or something will happen.

710
00:33:34,367 --> 00:33:36,047
Speaker 3: So I ticked that box and then it was in

711
00:33:36,047 --> 00:33:37,607
Speaker 3: the back of my mind, and then I got an

712
00:33:37,647 --> 00:33:40,567
Speaker 3: email saying, hey, we can only hold this passport for

713
00:33:40,607 --> 00:33:44,447
Speaker 3: a month. So it's nearly a month up. So I

714
00:33:44,487 --> 00:33:46,567
Speaker 3: have this weird thing, which if me it was here,

715
00:33:46,567 --> 00:33:47,807
Speaker 3: she'd be like, have you talked to your therapist?

716
00:33:47,847 --> 00:33:48,127
Speaker 2: Had it?

717
00:33:48,207 --> 00:33:50,287
Speaker 3: And I have, So I have talked about this. I

718
00:33:50,287 --> 00:33:53,247
Speaker 3: have this weird thing where I get really anxious doing

719
00:33:53,367 --> 00:33:56,647
Speaker 3: public chores by myself because I don't want to get

720
00:33:56,687 --> 00:33:58,887
Speaker 3: things wrong and I don't want people to laugh at me,

721
00:33:59,247 --> 00:34:00,887
Speaker 3: like I don't want to like push a pulled off

722
00:34:00,967 --> 00:34:03,847
Speaker 3: an example, oh that kind yeah, like really small things.

723
00:34:03,847 --> 00:34:06,127
Speaker 3: So I when I do public chores by myself, I

724
00:34:06,207 --> 00:34:08,487
Speaker 3: really have to plan it out in my head. It's

725
00:34:08,567 --> 00:34:09,087
Speaker 3: so weird.

726
00:34:09,287 --> 00:34:10,687
Speaker 4: So you need like an errand friend.

727
00:34:10,847 --> 00:34:13,247
Speaker 3: Yeah, I need an errand friend. And it's when you

728
00:34:13,287 --> 00:34:14,767
Speaker 3: do it on a weekday, it's really hard.

729
00:34:14,887 --> 00:34:16,207
Speaker 2: So what happened?

730
00:34:16,327 --> 00:34:19,767
Speaker 3: So I went I went to go pick up my

731
00:34:19,807 --> 00:34:22,247
Speaker 3: passport and here's where things went wrong. I went to

732
00:34:22,327 --> 00:34:24,967
Speaker 3: the post office. I meant to go to the passport office,

733
00:34:25,487 --> 00:34:28,207
Speaker 3: so I lined up. I went to the post office

734
00:34:28,367 --> 00:34:30,087
Speaker 3: and I was like, hey, I'm here to pick up

735
00:34:30,127 --> 00:34:31,647
Speaker 3: my passport and he was like, what do you mean?

736
00:34:32,047 --> 00:34:34,567
Speaker 3: And I was like, I literally talked to you, like, oh,

737
00:34:34,887 --> 00:34:37,167
Speaker 3: you do not remember me? And he was like, no,

738
00:34:37,247 --> 00:34:39,287
Speaker 3: you have to go to the passport office. And there

739
00:34:39,287 --> 00:34:41,447
Speaker 3: was like heaps of people in the room. He's like,

740
00:34:41,447 --> 00:34:43,487
Speaker 3: you have to go to the passport office. We don't,

741
00:34:43,527 --> 00:34:45,927
Speaker 3: we can't do that. It's a legal document. And something

742
00:34:46,007 --> 00:34:48,047
Speaker 3: came over me where I didn't really think, and I

743
00:34:48,127 --> 00:34:48,767
Speaker 3: just said.

744
00:34:48,687 --> 00:34:49,607
Speaker 2: Can you lull your voice?

745
00:34:51,887 --> 00:34:52,447
Speaker 4: Good girl?

746
00:34:53,727 --> 00:34:56,207
Speaker 3: And he was taken aback and then I was taken

747
00:34:56,207 --> 00:34:58,367
Speaker 3: aback and then we boach just stood there in silence,

748
00:34:58,807 --> 00:35:01,247
Speaker 3: and then I just went, got it, see ya, thanks

749
00:35:01,247 --> 00:35:02,727
Speaker 3: so much, and then I left, went to the past.

750
00:35:02,767 --> 00:35:03,847
Speaker 3: It was fine. I got my peace.

751
00:35:03,887 --> 00:35:05,527
Speaker 2: It was probably rude in his tone.

752
00:35:05,687 --> 00:35:07,727
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was just loud. It was allowed because I

753
00:35:07,807 --> 00:35:10,807
Speaker 3: was like this friend, people are listening behind me. They're

754
00:35:10,807 --> 00:35:13,527
Speaker 3: seeing this interaction happen. And I'm being very quiet and

755
00:35:13,567 --> 00:35:16,287
Speaker 3: polite and demure. Yes, and he's going no, where the

756
00:35:16,327 --> 00:35:20,207
Speaker 3: post office? Are you the post your voice?

757
00:35:20,527 --> 00:35:23,007
Speaker 4: I've look, I will say, and big love to post

758
00:35:23,007 --> 00:35:25,487
Speaker 4: office workers who are listening right, like ninety nine percent

759
00:35:25,527 --> 00:35:28,967
Speaker 4: of you. Great. There are the odd post office workers

760
00:35:29,407 --> 00:35:32,367
Speaker 4: who when they have to correct your passport form and

761
00:35:32,407 --> 00:35:34,727
Speaker 4: tell you that you've made an error, they enjoy it.

762
00:35:34,847 --> 00:35:35,167
Speaker 2: They do.

763
00:35:35,367 --> 00:35:37,287
Speaker 4: There's a look in there and they.

764
00:35:37,007 --> 00:35:39,007
Speaker 3: And then they can be. Others are watching as well.

765
00:35:39,007 --> 00:35:41,047
Speaker 3: They're like, oh, I watch this go down exactly.

766
00:35:41,287 --> 00:35:44,687
Speaker 4: I've been burned and so I respect you saying please

767
00:35:45,207 --> 00:35:48,527
Speaker 4: lower your voice, sir, you're man explaining how to pick

768
00:35:48,607 --> 00:35:49,407
Speaker 4: up my passport?

769
00:35:49,927 --> 00:35:52,087
Speaker 2: Can you go pick it up? How is the photo anyway?

770
00:35:52,207 --> 00:35:52,367
Speaker 5: Oh?

771
00:35:52,407 --> 00:35:54,607
Speaker 2: I looked amazing because she did pay extra for We

772
00:35:54,687 --> 00:35:56,927
Speaker 2: discussed this on Monday Show. If no one has listened,

773
00:35:57,367 --> 00:36:00,407
Speaker 2: we had a little guest appearance pop in to tell

774
00:36:00,447 --> 00:36:03,207
Speaker 2: us about how she'd made sure her passport photo was hot.

775
00:36:03,847 --> 00:36:04,567
Speaker 2: Were you hot?

776
00:36:04,807 --> 00:36:05,047
Speaker 6: Yeah?

777
00:36:05,127 --> 00:36:06,767
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, really good.

778
00:36:06,807 --> 00:36:10,247
Speaker 3: And also the new Australian passport looks really good as well. Yeah,

779
00:36:10,247 --> 00:36:11,527
Speaker 3: it's really nice.

780
00:36:11,767 --> 00:36:12,687
Speaker 4: What's your best?

781
00:36:13,047 --> 00:36:16,727
Speaker 3: My best is last week I went on a for mill,

782
00:36:16,927 --> 00:36:18,487
Speaker 3: which is how would you explain a for mill?

783
00:36:18,607 --> 00:36:20,407
Speaker 2: Like, it's a free trip, so you have to write

784
00:36:20,447 --> 00:36:23,087
Speaker 2: about it. That's what a famill is.

785
00:36:25,487 --> 00:36:28,207
Speaker 3: I went to Hawkesbury Valley the Crown Plaza, and I

786
00:36:28,207 --> 00:36:29,887
Speaker 3: told my mom because it was the day of her

787
00:36:29,887 --> 00:36:34,327
Speaker 3: birthday daughter, and we had the best day. We went there.

788
00:36:34,487 --> 00:36:36,727
Speaker 3: We did a cocktail class, we got a bit tipsy,

789
00:36:37,127 --> 00:36:39,527
Speaker 3: we had dinner. We shared a hotel room, and it

790
00:36:39,567 --> 00:36:41,847
Speaker 3: was one of those moments where like, I think my

791
00:36:42,007 --> 00:36:44,527
Speaker 3: parents and my grandparents kind of struggle to realize what

792
00:36:44,567 --> 00:36:46,727
Speaker 3: I do for work. They don't really get it.

793
00:36:46,767 --> 00:36:48,287
Speaker 2: Well, that's because you get to do things like that

794
00:36:48,487 --> 00:36:49,847
Speaker 2: and that doesn't seem like work.

795
00:36:50,727 --> 00:36:53,287
Speaker 3: It's so true until we're like at dinner and out loud.

796
00:36:53,287 --> 00:36:54,847
Speaker 3: It's like, hey, I've listened to you on out loud,

797
00:36:54,927 --> 00:36:56,887
Speaker 3: and then my dad full freaks out. He's like, get

798
00:36:56,887 --> 00:36:58,167
Speaker 3: a photo with her, get a phone. I'm like, I'm

799
00:36:58,167 --> 00:37:00,327
Speaker 3: not asking her for a photo. That's a bit weird.

800
00:37:01,807 --> 00:37:03,487
Speaker 3: But it was like at dinner, like she was a

801
00:37:03,487 --> 00:37:04,807
Speaker 3: bit tipsy, so I'll give it that. So I'm not

802
00:37:04,807 --> 00:37:06,567
Speaker 3: sure if this is authentic or not, but I just

803
00:37:06,647 --> 00:37:09,767
Speaker 3: saw like she like was like, oh, you're in a place,

804
00:37:10,007 --> 00:37:14,647
Speaker 3: like she just kind of Oh, you've done something. I'm proud, Yeah, proud,

805
00:37:14,927 --> 00:37:17,327
Speaker 3: And it's so nice. I just felt really good that

806
00:37:17,367 --> 00:37:19,727
Speaker 3: I could take her on this little trip to Hawksbury Valley.

807
00:37:19,927 --> 00:37:22,647
Speaker 3: It was so oh, I love that so much, Okay, Jesse.

808
00:37:23,247 --> 00:37:27,287
Speaker 4: My worst is that on Sunday morning, I had like

809
00:37:27,367 --> 00:37:30,207
Speaker 4: a lunch thing had to go to and I was like, oh,

810
00:37:30,207 --> 00:37:31,887
Speaker 4: I better go put some makeup on. Couldn't find a

811
00:37:31,887 --> 00:37:33,327
Speaker 4: bag anywhay, So go to the car. I'm like, I

812
00:37:33,367 --> 00:37:34,967
Speaker 4: remember I left it in my front seat. I open

813
00:37:35,047 --> 00:37:36,767
Speaker 4: it and I'm like, what has happened to my car?

814
00:37:37,207 --> 00:37:41,727
Speaker 4: And it has been like upended pig sty like everything

815
00:37:41,727 --> 00:37:43,567
Speaker 4: from the console and the glove box had been taken out,

816
00:37:43,607 --> 00:37:46,087
Speaker 4: which is different to your normal car slightly, which was

817
00:37:46,127 --> 00:37:48,127
Speaker 4: interesting because I wasn't the first one to look at

818
00:37:48,127 --> 00:37:50,847
Speaker 4: the car this morning. Luca was like, Luca had seen

819
00:37:50,887 --> 00:37:52,767
Speaker 4: it and just assumed that's how I lived. And I

820
00:37:52,807 --> 00:37:55,847
Speaker 4: was like, that actually wasn't normal, and he did say, yeah.

821
00:37:55,887 --> 00:37:57,447
Speaker 4: I wondered why the door was open. I was like,

822
00:37:57,447 --> 00:38:00,167
Speaker 4: I don't leave my door open. I just left it

823
00:38:00,287 --> 00:38:03,607
Speaker 4: unlocked anyway. So i'd been robbed.

824
00:38:03,847 --> 00:38:06,527
Speaker 2: Oh, but your car got broken into. But then what

825
00:38:06,607 --> 00:38:08,847
Speaker 2: I asked, it broke it into? She said, can you

826
00:38:08,847 --> 00:38:10,567
Speaker 2: break it to something that isn't locked?

827
00:38:11,287 --> 00:38:15,167
Speaker 4: According to insurance companies, it's so I had left that

828
00:38:15,247 --> 00:38:17,527
Speaker 4: a little bit unlocked and the only thing they'd taken

829
00:38:18,127 --> 00:38:20,727
Speaker 4: was my makeup bag, the only thing, the only thing,

830
00:38:20,767 --> 00:38:21,687
Speaker 4: and there was nothing of it.

831
00:38:21,607 --> 00:38:23,527
Speaker 3: But that would have been the most expensive thing.

832
00:38:24,247 --> 00:38:27,767
Speaker 4: It's Honestly, it has really ruined my life because I,

833
00:38:27,887 --> 00:38:30,327
Speaker 4: like Holly, I don't have aspirations to be rich. I

834
00:38:30,367 --> 00:38:33,887
Speaker 4: don't have designer bags, don't have fancy clothes. Makeup is

835
00:38:33,887 --> 00:38:36,127
Speaker 4: my one thing that I care about. And there would

836
00:38:36,167 --> 00:38:37,647
Speaker 4: be a Bronzer from twenty fifteen.

837
00:38:37,687 --> 00:38:39,567
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're like, it doesn't like I can't get it again,

838
00:38:39,607 --> 00:38:40,727
Speaker 3: so I have to say favor it.

839
00:38:41,207 --> 00:38:43,647
Speaker 4: And like, I got this incredible palette from the last

840
00:38:43,687 --> 00:38:45,847
Speaker 4: time I was in the US, and I had every

841
00:38:45,887 --> 00:38:47,727
Speaker 4: It's a really big bag and it had like all

842
00:38:47,727 --> 00:38:52,207
Speaker 4: my eyeshadows and brushes and foundation and oh. I then

843
00:38:52,247 --> 00:38:54,807
Speaker 4: had to go to this launch and it really threw

844
00:38:54,847 --> 00:38:57,007
Speaker 4: a spanner in my weekend. I had to go to

845
00:38:57,567 --> 00:39:00,287
Speaker 4: Mecha Sephora all of it with Luna that afternoon, and

846
00:39:00,327 --> 00:39:02,007
Speaker 4: it was such a shit shopping trip as well, because

847
00:39:02,007 --> 00:39:04,367
Speaker 4: it wasn't fun. It was like, no, I genuinely just

848
00:39:04,367 --> 00:39:05,607
Speaker 4: made an eyebraps.

849
00:39:05,287 --> 00:39:05,887
Speaker 3: Meant to be fun.

850
00:39:06,007 --> 00:39:08,367
Speaker 4: It's meant to be fun. And I bought like just

851
00:39:08,407 --> 00:39:10,967
Speaker 4: the week before, like Charlotte Tillbury mascara that I've never

852
00:39:11,007 --> 00:39:14,367
Speaker 4: even been able to use, So pray for me.

853
00:39:14,487 --> 00:39:17,727
Speaker 2: That's an expense problem. And also going and Buying all

854
00:39:17,767 --> 00:39:20,487
Speaker 2: makeup at once brings you very close up to just how.

855
00:39:20,407 --> 00:39:22,047
Speaker 3: No one should know, but you should be able to

856
00:39:22,047 --> 00:39:23,287
Speaker 3: get your make a loop box soon.

857
00:39:23,367 --> 00:39:26,767
Speaker 4: Then every time I spent something, I was like, I

858
00:39:26,807 --> 00:39:32,167
Speaker 4: swear I should get a gift, like I robbed. I

859
00:39:32,247 --> 00:39:36,407
Speaker 4: deserve free things. My best is that I got my

860
00:39:36,527 --> 00:39:39,647
Speaker 4: hair done last week and you know someone's coming, it's

861
00:39:39,687 --> 00:39:43,207
Speaker 4: getting warm, and my hairdresser said, do you want to

862
00:39:43,247 --> 00:39:47,007
Speaker 4: try the scandy hairline? I think I've seen this on.

863
00:39:46,967 --> 00:39:49,207
Speaker 2: That what's a scandy hairline trend?

864
00:39:49,247 --> 00:39:51,167
Speaker 4: Holly? I just feel like you could be into it.

865
00:39:51,247 --> 00:39:53,007
Speaker 4: So I had seen it on TikTok, but I didn't

866
00:39:53,047 --> 00:39:53,327
Speaker 4: think I.

867
00:39:53,247 --> 00:39:56,127
Speaker 2: Was cool enough. He keeps talking about scandy things. She

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Speaker 2: keeps saying, I'm doing like scandy style. I'm like, what

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Speaker 2: is she talking about?

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Speaker 3: Do you mean Scandinavian?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I got that bit. I'm like, okay, anyway, contain yourself.

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Speaker 4: She's talking about either I just interesting. But what it

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Speaker 4: is basically is they get all your baby hairs and

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Speaker 4: your hairs at the front, like and I've got a

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Speaker 4: lot because postpart and they paint them and bleach them basically,

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Speaker 4: and it looks very kind of Nordic Scandinavian. It almost

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Speaker 4: looks more blonde and more natural and more sun kissed

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Speaker 4: because it's what happens during summer to your hair. And

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Speaker 4: anyway she did this, I have just felt so cool

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Speaker 4: because like I have my finger on the poles like

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Speaker 4: not me, but she did, and.

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Speaker 2: It does look very nice.

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Speaker 4: It looks really good fresh, you know how like Ballyage

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Speaker 4: was in for a while where it was like your

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Speaker 4: darker roots or whatever, but she just nailed it. And

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Speaker 4: I actually love going to the hairdresser at the moment

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Speaker 4: because it's four hours and.

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Speaker 3: That looks nice. I couldn't do that. I look crazy, but.

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Speaker 4: I have dark brown hair and now I have a

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Speaker 4: light fringe.

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Speaker 2: It would be very Friends, you know that our best

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Speaker 2: and worst is our chance to be frivolous and silly.

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Speaker 2: Please jump in the out Louders group and tell us

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Speaker 2: what your best and worst of the week have been.

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Speaker 2: And that is all we have time for today and

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Speaker 2: this week. A massive thank you to you out Louders

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Speaker 2: for being here with us all of this week, and

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Speaker 2: a very big thank you to our team that is

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Speaker 2: Executive producer Ruth de Vine, Senior producer Emmiline, gazillis, our

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Speaker 2: audio producers Leah Porges, and our social media producer is

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Speaker 2: Isabelle Dolphin, otherwise known as Dolph. Goodbye friends, We'll see

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Speaker 2: you next week.

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Speaker 4: And before we go. If you watch the presidential debate

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Speaker 4: on Wednesday like we did, or maybe you didn't, you

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Speaker 4: just want a debrief, then yesterday's subscriber episode, Holly Maya

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Speaker 4: and Absolute expert Amelia Lester did a deep dive. Here's

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Speaker 4: a little taste.

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Speaker 5: Can I just share my cynical for on vit Taylor endorsement.

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Speaker 5: The timing was pretty interesting to come out immediately after

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Speaker 5: the debate. I think to some extent, stole Kamala Harris's

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Speaker 5: thunder and what was a sort of resounding victory in

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Speaker 5: the debate. It just made me wonder would she have

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Speaker 5: sent that Instagram had Kamala Harris not done so well

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Speaker 5: in the debate. Was she waiting to check that she

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Speaker 5: wasn't backing a dud?

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's literally what Jesse said, and I

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Speaker 2: was like, absolutely not.

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Speaker 4: Like, first of all, there is a link to that

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Speaker 4: episode in the show notes.

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Speaker 3: See ya.

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Speaker 4: Why shout out to any mum and mea subscribers listening

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Speaker 4: If you love the show and you want to support us,

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Speaker 4: Subscribing to MoMA Mia is the very best way to

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Speaker 4: do so. There's a link in the episode description