Speaker 1: You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast.
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Speaker 2: to canceled the podcast that looks silly celebrity crimes and
Speaker 2: assigns charges and sentences to them so we can all
Speaker 2: move on with our lives. I'm Plus Stephens and I'm
Speaker 2: Jesse Stephens, and today we needed to talk about the
Speaker 2: drama around it ends with us.
Speaker 3: We all have an idea of what life can be.
Speaker 2: I want to see you again. Now you see me.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
Speaker 3: That special connection you feel, that first kiss for fifteen seconds,
Speaker 3: that's whole it teakes.
Speaker 2: To completely change everything. A disclaimer, we have not yet
Speaker 2: seen the movie. I think that's the point because the
Speaker 2: culture hasn't seen it, but the culture has feelings. Yes,
Speaker 2: and as Blake Lively says, we'll get our florals, grab
Speaker 2: our girlfriends and go see a movie that's about domestic violence.
Speaker 2: We'll do that. But it's actually not crucial for us
Speaker 2: to have seen the movie in order to talk about
Speaker 2: all the drama around it. I will say, though it's
Speaker 2: a lot of controversy for what is by all accounts
Speaker 2: and average film. I heard people compare it to the
Speaker 2: Lifetime movie. I thought that sounds lovely. No, No, it's
Speaker 2: like apparently quite bad because it's like, okay, so you've
Speaker 2: got the source material. The book's terrible, Claire, you can't
Speaker 2: be saying the book's terrible. I couldn't get through it.
Speaker 2: I read a few pages. Oh, so you try to
Speaker 2: read it. I think you're gonna upset a lot of
Speaker 2: people by saying the books. I don't think anyone thinks
Speaker 2: it's a literary feat. I don't so you make a
Speaker 2: movie out of that book. But it's like fifty Shades.
Speaker 2: I loved fifty Shades. Loved the book, Yeah, loved the films.
Speaker 2: Would do any other medium you wanted to explore it,
Speaker 2: if you wanted to do a stage play, if you
Speaker 2: wanted to do an album, if you wanted to do
Speaker 2: an interpretive dance, I would be first in line. True
Speaker 2: and unlike when other people say it's bad, Oh, I
Speaker 2: think it's okay to say that it's bad. Okay, we
Speaker 2: can enjoy things that are bad. That's what most of
Speaker 2: this podcast is about. But the quality of it doesn't
Speaker 2: really matter because it's a box office hit, and it
Speaker 2: made over one hundred million dollars at the global box
Speaker 2: office during its first week in theaters. Some context. It
Speaker 2: Ends with Us is a movie based on the best
Speaker 2: selling book of the same name by Colleen Hoover. It's
Speaker 2: called It Ends with Us, but then the sea call
Speaker 2: is it starts with Us. I have It starts with
Speaker 2: Us on my bookcase when I get confused because that
Speaker 2: feels like it should be the first and it ends
Speaker 2: with Us should be the sea cal That's a feedback
Speaker 2: I would give a football pitch to me and are
Speaker 2: an editor. I think I gave you that. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: Why would you give me the second? Because I didn't
Speaker 2: know it was the second? Okay, it tells the story
Speaker 2: of Lily Bloom. You know what it's like, what it's like.
Speaker 2: When I turned thirteen or fourteen, Mom wanted to encourage reading.
Speaker 2: She gave me the fourth Harry Potter. To this day,
Speaker 2: I still am a bit pissed off about Hary Potter
Speaker 2: because I'm like, I just feel like it didn't start
Speaker 2: at the beginning. Well, not for you, Jesse, because you've
Speaker 2: got a big, fat book with no context. Because Mum
Speaker 2: didn't realize it was part of a series. I was like,
Speaker 2: who is Harry A lot of knowledge and then it's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: you never went on the journey, not Blie didn't. I couldn't.
Speaker 2: I was thrust in four episodes late. Well, it tells
Speaker 2: the story of Lily Bloom. Let's just pause on that character.
Speaker 2: She's a florist. But I know that Lily Bloom is
Speaker 2: played by Blake Lively and she has escaped a rough
Speaker 2: childhood and she opens her dream flower store and soon
Speaker 2: meets her seemingly dream guy, Ryle Kincaid. Ryle is played
Speaker 2: by Justin Baldoni from Jane the Vergin, who also directed
Speaker 2: the film. You may know him from Jane the Virgin
Speaker 2: or his other work, which we're going to discuss. From
Speaker 2: the beginning, it was clear that there was tension between
Speaker 2: the cast. Justin Baldoni was not photographed with his fellow
Speaker 2: cast members at the New York premiere on August six,
Speaker 2: and sat in another theater the night of the premiere.
Speaker 2: That's so right, it's giving I have COVID, but he
Speaker 2: doesn't have COVID. No, no, he might. That's not related
Speaker 2: to cinema. He didn't introduce the movie alongside Lively, and
Speaker 2: he was also absent from pared or group interviews and
Speaker 2: from promotional appearances for the duration of the press tour
Speaker 2: where it would be like all the other cast together.
Speaker 2: For example, there's a video for Vanity Fair as part
Speaker 2: of the publicity for It Ends with Us, where Lively
Speaker 2: and five of her co stars test on how well
Speaker 2: they know each other and Baldoni is missing. When I
Speaker 2: initially saw this and everyone was going they're not doing
Speaker 2: press together, I thought, maybe this is really smart, because
Speaker 2: it does feel more efficient to split up to as
Speaker 2: they say, divide. If you and I were promoting canceled,
Speaker 2: it feels like a waste of our time to go
Speaker 2: and do the same media when we could split and
Speaker 2: do double the amount. I could go to Russia, you
Speaker 2: could go to Spain. Yeah, exactly right. If they'd have us,
Speaker 2: they wouldn't the first hurdle language. And so I thought, oh,
Speaker 2: maybe they're just being smart. But then I realized it's
Speaker 2: just not a thing that you do. You have to
Speaker 2: promote with your co stars. Yes. Then there's Instagram. Blake
Speaker 2: Lively follows a bunch of fellow members of the cast,
Speaker 2: including people like Jenny Slat. Does she follow Colleen Yes,
Speaker 2: but she does it, and Colleen follows her, Yes, but
Speaker 2: Blake Lively does not follow Baldoni. On is just I
Speaker 2: can't express how important this is. It's a piece of information,
Speaker 2: It's everything I need to know, like why everything why
Speaker 2: it's intentional? And then Baldoni follows the whole cast. As
Speaker 2: for Hoover, she follows Lively but not Baldoni, but she
Speaker 2: once did because just a few months ago she was
Speaker 2: posting photos with him to promote the film. Most of
Speaker 2: the rest of the cast follow Lively but not Baldoni.
Speaker 2: If I if I was in a courtroom and I've
Speaker 2: been exclusively watching courtroom drummers for the last few weeks,
Speaker 2: I'd be strutting up and down, and I'd be looking
Speaker 2: at the jury. You got to get nice and close
Speaker 2: to the jury so that they trust you, And I
Speaker 2: would say, they all follow each other. He follows them,
Speaker 2: they don't follow him. Make of that what you will,
Speaker 2: and then I would get the hammer and go case closed.
Speaker 2: There's something fishy going on, as we've said before, where
Speaker 2: they's smoke, there's fine, there's a reason why they're not
Speaker 2: following him. Speaking to us weekly a couple of weeks
Speaker 2: after the movie, came out A sauce said there were
Speaker 2: two camps on the film, Team Blake and team Justin.
Speaker 2: This creative struggle set the tone for the negative experience
Speaker 2: behind the scenes and grew into them not speaking anymore.
Speaker 2: That must be so hard when you're staging. I mean,
Speaker 2: I haven't seen the film, but I imagine sex scenes. Apparently
Speaker 2: their chemistry is great on screen. Chemistry is one of
Speaker 2: the things that even the bad reviews say is storming.
Speaker 2: I know it's hard when you and I have unfollowed
Speaker 2: each other off the mat and then we have to
Speaker 2: come in and do a sill little canceled record, very
Speaker 2: awkward in the room, and people say the chemistry, the chemistry,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, well, it's fake. I don't unfollow anyone.
Speaker 2: I once unfollowed someone and it's the most passive, aggressive
Speaker 2: thing I've ever done. And I think all the time,
Speaker 2: how she must know. I don't think she knows. Maybe
Speaker 2: in my life I have one feud, one feud out
Speaker 2: of thirty three years, I still follow her. Why would
Speaker 2: I not follow her? I want to keep them tabs.
Speaker 2: I think maybe she doesn't follow me. Oh, I'm sorry, yeah,
Speaker 2: but she hasn't blocked me, did lovely Blake hasn't blocked him? Well,
Speaker 2: we don't know. Mmm, we don't know, do we? But
Speaker 2: there's an unfollowing. I assume we'll get to yes. Well,
Speaker 2: the questions are why is everyone fighting? Whose fault is it?
Speaker 2: My structure for today is as follows. Now, this is
Speaker 2: an interesting structure because we've got headings and subheadings heading
Speaker 2: Justin Valdoni, subheadings who are you? Why are people mad
Speaker 2: at you? Why do you need a PR crisis manager?
Speaker 2: What have you said? Heading backlively? Subheadings, uncomfortable interviews, cross promo?
Speaker 2: Did we need to do cross promo? I have seen
Speaker 2: some reviews about okayduct and it can make some look messy.
Speaker 2: We should try it. I don't think we can get it.
Speaker 2: I'd like to try something. Yeah, me too, and an
Speaker 2: awkward moment from twenty sixteen, then moving on to a
Speaker 2: discussion segment. Yeah, there's some discussion about these Justin Valdoni,
Speaker 2: who are you? Okay, because the thing about Justin Valdoni,
Speaker 2: who are you? Is it we're all pretending we knew
Speaker 2: your name. Justin Valdoni? Oh yeah, James and Jane the
Speaker 2: version all right, Jesse, you watched three episodes. You didn't
Speaker 2: know that name. You had to look up how to
Speaker 2: pronounce it. Yeah, be real, Well he's one of those
Speaker 2: people then you look at it and go oh oh.
Speaker 2: He is an actor and filmmaker. He played Raphael in
Speaker 2: Jane the Virgin and he directed that movie Five Feet Apart,
Speaker 2: with Cole Sprouse and Hailey lou Richardson.
Speaker 4: Human touch.
Speaker 1: We need that touch from the one we love almost
Speaker 1: as much as we need her to breathe.
Speaker 2: I never understood that until I couldn't have it a
Speaker 2: phase of work, no idea, what like, you're just speaking, Okay.
Speaker 2: Hailey lou Richardson played Porsche in White Lotus and five
Speaker 2: feet Apart was this. I haven't seen it, and so
Speaker 2: I'm probably really going to upset people by saying a
Speaker 2: terrible movie about two young people with cystic fibrosis who
Speaker 2: couldn't be any closer than six feet apart. The poster
Speaker 2: is two young hot people standing apart, and it's not
Speaker 2: got good reviews. Well, it's just one of those movies.
Speaker 2: Part Yeah, that's clearly four it's very feet apart, and
Speaker 2: make about netball. Okay, five feet apart, it's very a
Speaker 2: walk to remember, Yeah, they are standing five feet apart
Speaker 2: to me. Twenty nineteen romantic drama film. Okay, I need
Speaker 2: to know, like a vibe Tomato vibe. Yeah, okay. It
Speaker 2: was his directorial debut, and then in May twenty sixteen,
Speaker 2: he launched a time lapse video app for pregnant women
Speaker 2: and new moms called Belly Bump. It was fun. Oh
Speaker 2: that's fun. I think that's fun. I'd like it, Jesse,
Speaker 2: any vibe yet not enough to tell me? Okay, I
Speaker 2: don't think it's seventy nine percent audience score. I don't
Speaker 2: think this looks like an absolute We need to know
Speaker 2: from council listeners. I don't know who Cole Sprouse, the
Speaker 2: Sprouse Twins. Who are the Sprouse twins? How is there
Speaker 2: a set of twins? I don't know about it? Okay, Jesse.
Speaker 2: The Sprouse twins played the kid in Big Daddy. Was cute. Yeah,
Speaker 2: in Big Daddy with Adam Sandler, and then they had
Speaker 2: Sweet Life of Zack and Cody and then one of
Speaker 2: the Riverdale I had no idea. Yeah, that would be
Speaker 2: why I look at this film and I say, is
Speaker 2: it an Oscar winner? Probably not. It's giving kissing booth
Speaker 2: but I can have more serious themes all right, okay,
Speaker 2: which I feel like it ends with us perhaps, Yeah,
Speaker 2: in the same genre. That's why I wasn't surprised and
Speaker 2: I learned he had directed this. I got it. He
Speaker 2: has a podcast. I've heard about this podcast called the
Speaker 2: Man Enough Podcast, which explores what it means to be
Speaker 2: a man today and how rigid gender roles have affected
Speaker 2: all people. He has also written a book released in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one called Man Enough, Undefining My Masculinity, and
Speaker 2: a children's book in twenty twenty two called Boys Will
Speaker 2: Be Him. Have you heard that he's been noticeably absent
Speaker 2: on that podcast recently he disappeared and his co host
Speaker 2: has come back, and no one's acknowledged he's not on
Speaker 2: it anymore. Hmmm, well, maybe he's busy with this drama. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but if you were busy with drama, yeah, and it
Speaker 2: was someone else sitting in that seat, I get on
Speaker 2: and go. Claire is, as you may know, busy with drama. Yeah,
Speaker 2: someone That is why we have a sub in. Okay. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's pretending you never existed, which is weird. For it's weird. Okay,
Speaker 2: that seems important. We'll keep that in the back of
Speaker 2: our mind, Now, why were people mad at you? As
Speaker 2: we've said, there have been plenty of signs of tension
Speaker 2: between Baldoni and Lively and Baldoni and the rest of
Speaker 2: the cast of It Ends with Us. The week after
Speaker 2: the film's release, sources told TMZ that Baldoni asked an
Speaker 2: on set trainer how much Lively wait because he had
Speaker 2: to pick her up in a scene and he had
Speaker 2: a long standing back injury. I've been having a bit
Speaker 2: of trouble sleeping, and it's to do with this situation. Okay, Because,
Speaker 2: on the one hand, feels like an inappropriate question. She
Speaker 2: had given birth to her fourth trive months I think
Speaker 2: you need to know the number. Yeah. On the other hand,
Speaker 2: like I understand if you've got a back injury. I'm
Speaker 2: not a set of sk ales, but I feel like
Speaker 2: I feel like you could someone and work out if
Speaker 2: they're you could know the hundred kilos or nine hundred,
Speaker 2: and then you just what was he going to go
Speaker 2: and do some weights? Yeah? To pick her up? And
Speaker 2: if you can't pick her up because you've got a
Speaker 2: long standing back injury, then you're the director, don't understand. Yeah, Actually,
Speaker 2: great point. It's like, does it matter to you what
Speaker 2: her weight is to the kilogram? Yes, exactly. I just
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't like I'm very anti diet culture.
Speaker 2: And you know when you get on a plane and
Speaker 2: they're like like a small plane and they're like, we
Speaker 2: need to weigh you, and I'm like, sounds fat phobic
Speaker 2: and it's not. It's so that the plane doesn't crash.
Speaker 2: But in this situation. I have never been in that situation.
Speaker 2: I wish that was a thing. Yeah. I was recently
Speaker 2: on a work thing and it's a small plane and
Speaker 2: then they're like we jet, Like no, I've never been
Speaker 2: in a private jet. This was a work thing. I
Speaker 2: was a small plane and they weighed all our baggage,
Speaker 2: which fine, but then they weigh us and I was like,
Speaker 2: I don't engage with this. Yeah, that feel unnecessary. There
Speaker 2: are also reports that Baldoni lingered too long in a
Speaker 2: kiss during filming, as well as reports that Lively and
Speaker 2: Baldoni had big creative differences. See even that right lingered
Speaker 2: too long. It's subjective because it's like it's the idea
Speaker 2: that when you kiss, we're both going to go through
Speaker 2: Mississippi mmmmm, or are we just feeling it or like,
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think it's interesting that that's something
Speaker 2: that has come out left the set, like clearly it's
Speaker 2: not like ooh, sorry, you wanted that to end a
Speaker 2: little bit earlier, like yeah, it feels bitty. So the
Speaker 2: two pieces of information suggest that Baldoni made people fel
Speaker 2: uncomfortable and so yeah, yeah, so as a producer, Lively
Speaker 2: how to say in the decisions around the film and
Speaker 2: during the press too. Art she has shared how her
Speaker 2: husband Ryan Reynolds contributed. At the New York premiere, she
Speaker 2: told e Me and Ryan help each other. We work
Speaker 2: together so much. The iconic rooftop scene. My husband actually
Speaker 2: wrote it. Nobody knows that he wrote it, she continues.
Speaker 2: He works everything I do. I work on everything he does.
Speaker 2: So his wins, his celebrations are mine, and mine are his.
Speaker 2: He's all over this film. If I was a writer,
Speaker 2: I'd be annoyed. Well, yeah, the problem is there's screenwriter
Speaker 2: credited with writing the whole thing, and her name's Christy Hall.
Speaker 2: And when she was asked if there was input from Reynolds,
Speaker 2: she wasn't aware of any. So she said there were
Speaker 2: a couple of little things that I thought had been improvised.
Speaker 2: When I saw a cart I was like, oh, that's cute.
Speaker 2: That must have been a cute improvised thing. So if
Speaker 2: I'm being told that Ryan wrote that, then great, how wonderful.
Speaker 2: There are rumors that he wrote it during the writer strike. Hmm, yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know about your husband writing the scene. If
Speaker 2: you're the director. If I'm in a movie and then
Speaker 2: I'm like, hey, my husband wrote this, it's like, Okay,
Speaker 2: who's your husband. It's like, well, he's literally Ryan Reynolds,
Speaker 2: And You're like, I guess feels annoyed? It does? It does?
Speaker 2: Why do you need a PR crisis manager? So in
Speaker 2: all of these it's easy to look at them and
Speaker 2: think like, Okay, So there's a few little stories coming
Speaker 2: from the set, but there's no absolutely huge Harvey Weinstein
Speaker 2: esque red flags. I want to know more about the
Speaker 2: lingering kiss, and I want to know more about the
Speaker 2: weight comment, and I think knowing about them in the
Speaker 2: context of a film about domestic violence is interesting. But
Speaker 2: The Hollywood Reporter has shared that Baldoni has hired veteran
Speaker 2: PR crisis manager Melissa Nathan in the wake of the
Speaker 2: film's release. She is the same crisis manager who also
Speaker 2: represented Johnny Depp during his defamation trial against his ex
Speaker 2: wife Amber Heard. It appears he hired Nathan in response
Speaker 2: to negative headlines that were coming out originally. Now, what
Speaker 2: do you think about this? I'm thinking about the Hootold
Speaker 2: Amber podcast and how algorithms and TikTok, which I think
Speaker 2: dictates the cultural take on anything. It was manipulated. I
Speaker 2: remember being pulled down a rabbit hole and coming to
Speaker 2: work one day and being like, guys, I don't know
Speaker 2: what to tell you. Johnny Depps innocent and everyone was like,
Speaker 2: have you spent three hours on TikTok before you came
Speaker 2: to work? And I was like, that is what I
Speaker 2: have done. Yes, And I was wrong because I'd been
Speaker 2: manipulated by But wasn't it like a bunch of likes
Speaker 2: were coming through from bots that weren't real and then
Speaker 2: and Twitter happened on Twitter and everything, so that that's
Speaker 2: just in the back of my mind. And then when
Speaker 2: I go on TikTok now and I see that it
Speaker 2: is all in justin Baldoni's favor, I am becoming quite
Speaker 2: skeptical of how organic that actually is. I think the
Speaker 2: fact he hired a PR crisis manager, suggests he's clearly
Speaker 2: nervous about something. Do you think of that? Or if
Speaker 2: there's a few bad headlines. If I'm really famous and
Speaker 2: there's a few bad headlines and I'm worried about it
Speaker 2: getting out of control, I would probably just hire one. Anyway,
Speaker 2: if I was like Lively, I would be hiring a
Speaker 2: crisis PR manager right now. Yeah, I know, I wonder
Speaker 2: if she has. She's probably hired Ryan. She isn't gonna help. Yeah,
Speaker 2: But people have criticized him for having this particular person
Speaker 2: who worked on the Johnny Depp Amberherds, especially given the
Speaker 2: context of that case, like it went to court and
Speaker 2: the original court case found that he was more likely
Speaker 2: than not Johnny Depp was guilty of certain abuses against Amberhert.
Speaker 2: So I feel as though that's not someone you want
Speaker 2: to be employing at the same time as you're promoting
Speaker 2: your domestic violence movie. Yeah. So I just think that's interesting.
Speaker 2: Now what has he said? Baldoni has made a few
Speaker 2: very subtle comments about the complexities and difficulties behind the scenes.
Speaker 2: He told Today at the beginning of August, every movie
Speaker 2: is a miracle, and then of course, you're navigating complex
Speaker 2: personalities and trying to get everybody on the same page
Speaker 2: with the same vision, and mistakes are always made, and
Speaker 2: then you figure out how to move past them. I'm
Speaker 2: a best idea wins person, and I always have been
Speaker 2: to a fault, sometimes to a point where at times
Speaker 2: I think I've had people wonder if I know what
Speaker 2: I'm doing or if I have a point of view,
Speaker 2: because I'm so willing to have my vision changed interest.
Speaker 2: I don't believe that inspirational creativity comes through one person.
Speaker 2: You don't have to listen to everybody, and that didn't
Speaker 2: happen all the time. There were just moments where I
Speaker 2: would get out of the way too much. This guy
Speaker 2: is just just telling us he's pissed. He's like, I
Speaker 2: couldn't say no to Blake and Ryan. I think that's
Speaker 2: what he's trying to say. I think he's trying to
Speaker 2: say that he had a very collaborative, democratic, creative process,
Speaker 2: and that for the likes of Blake, that made her
Speaker 2: feel like he wasn't the boss, he wasn't in control,
Speaker 2: he didn't have executive presence. But he's been very overtly
Speaker 2: complimentary of Lively.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you know how smart and creative
Speaker 1: she really is. I think she's best known as an actress,
Speaker 1: and of course she's you know, a fashion, you know icon,
Speaker 1: but she is so much more than that. She is
Speaker 1: a dynamic creative. She had her hands in every part
Speaker 1: of this production, and everything she touched you made better.
Speaker 2: I think that the most damning part of all of this.
Speaker 2: It's a red carpet interview. Is it a comment about
Speaker 2: the director?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's my favorite one where Tonight asked Baldoni if
Speaker 2: he would direct an adaptation of the sequel. It starts
Speaker 2: with us, and here's what he said.
Speaker 1: Arts with that.
Speaker 2: So I'm hoping to see you back in the double
Speaker 2: duty role.
Speaker 1: I think there are better people for that one.
Speaker 4: I think there are better people for that one.
Speaker 1: I think Blake Lively is ready to direct. That's what
Speaker 1: I made.
Speaker 2: I think she's ready to direct. What that tells me
Speaker 2: is that Blake Lively tried to direct my film. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm better and now I will step away. I also
Speaker 2: so I want to add that he's been praised very
Speaker 2: widely for how he's handled the film's sensitive nature and
Speaker 2: how he's really put a spotlight on domestic violence. He
Speaker 2: has a domestic violence helpline in his Instagram bio, and
Speaker 2: his media around the movie has been very focused on
Speaker 2: what people can get out of it and the power
Speaker 2: it has to hopefully help people. But all the tiktoks
Speaker 2: are compilations of what he has said to promo it
Speaker 2: ends with Us, and what Blake has said, and they're
Speaker 2: making fun of Blake and they're saying he is perfect.
Speaker 2: What he has said is not perfect, And I would
Speaker 2: just read just one little bit. Basically, what I'm trying
Speaker 2: to do is stress test if you wanted to tear
Speaker 2: apart what he says, you could. Yeah, well, if you
Speaker 2: wanted to tear apart what anyone was to say on
Speaker 2: the publicity trail of a movie about domestic violence, which
Speaker 2: is an incredibly serious, incredibly urgent topic, then when they
Speaker 2: answer a question about anything frivolous or engage with you know,
Speaker 2: any fun chat, you could say they're not taking it
Speaker 2: seriously enough, Like that's just a trap everyone would fall into, exactly,
Speaker 2: And in a Red Carpet interview, he said.
Speaker 1: If a Lily Bloom in real life, consider in this
Speaker 1: theater and maybe make a different choice.
Speaker 5: For herself and was made for her.
Speaker 2: Maybe she sees.
Speaker 1: Herself on that screen and chooses something different for herself.
Speaker 2: Would we say abusive relationships are something you choose for yourself?
Speaker 2: Like that, I'm just saying that is the That is
Speaker 2: the non gracious interpretation of what he said. Yeah, although
Speaker 2: I also understand the reading that he is a man
Speaker 2: who has form in this. He's been talking about toxic
Speaker 2: masculinity for a lot of years. He's got that podcast.
Speaker 2: I actually do think he comes across really well in interviews,
Speaker 2: Like I understand the sympathy that people have for him,
Speaker 2: and in fact, the more I look at it, the
Speaker 2: more I'm just like, it's creative differences. Yeah, and I
Speaker 2: think that happens on a lot of projects. What's interesting
Speaker 2: to me is that they could not resolve resolve them
Speaker 2: even to the point of being able to sit next street. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Moving on to Blake Lively, it goes without saying that
Speaker 2: Blake Lively is an actor known for Sisterhood of the
Speaker 2: Traveling Pants and Gossip Girl and The Town and the
Speaker 2: Town and the Shark One, which was one of my favorites,
Speaker 2: The Shallows. I have seen it more than once. Yeah. Yeah, No,
Speaker 2: that was a great because she's on a rock and
Speaker 2: that's the The shark is what can only be described
Speaker 2: as stalking her, as we know sharks do, yeah, waiting
Speaker 2: waiting for her to fall in to swim back. She's isolated.
Speaker 2: Now the shark does have the taste of blood on
Speaker 2: its tongue, and then I think there's an incident with
Speaker 2: a seagull. It's honestly the real of her best work. Yeah, no,
Speaker 2: it is. It's fantastic. Yeah, the shark is really the villain. Okay,
Speaker 2: the villain. Yeah. She is a fashion icon and it's
Speaker 2: married to Ryan Reynolds, and she's a bit of a
Speaker 2: business mogul. Is she She had Betty's Buzz, which was
Speaker 2: like a kind of soda company, and now that's Betty's
Speaker 2: Booth and we'll get to that. Okay, okay, because that's
Speaker 2: interesting that she's got a soda company because Scarlett Johansson,
Speaker 2: who is Ryan Reynolds's also was into fizzy waters. And
Speaker 2: you know you've been doing this podcast. She was into
Speaker 2: fizzy water because remember she chose it over charity. You
Speaker 2: can hear that now episode about Scarlett Johansson. Okay, that's
Speaker 2: a weird amount of knowledge. Okay. When it comes to
Speaker 2: promo for It Ends with Us, Blake Lively is having
Speaker 2: a bloody choka okay now uncomfortable interviews. In an Instagram
Speaker 2: video promoting It Ends with Us, Lively says, it ends
Speaker 2: with us is in theaters now, so it's not funny.
Speaker 2: So grab your friends. Were your urals and head out
Speaker 2: to see it in theaters now?
Speaker 6: So grab your friends, where are your florals?
Speaker 3: And to see it.
Speaker 2: I don't see a problem with that. People thought that
Speaker 2: was the only man. I'm only laughing because of the
Speaker 2: tiktoks that have come since. I'm actually laughing because pajamas
Speaker 2: and they're like, put on your pajamas, come and see
Speaker 2: this movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: They did one fishing Lier's list and I was like, okay, right,
Speaker 2: all right, I get it. Yeah there, which I think
Speaker 2: it's worth noting that, like we really don't analyze that much.
Speaker 2: It's like, look at Oppenheimer. They were like Barbieheimer and
Speaker 2: I was like, they nearly blew up the world. That's
Speaker 2: what that film is about. Y impending I killed a
Speaker 2: lot of people. Yeah, which they I loved that film.
Speaker 2: But wow did they skirt over Hiroshima? Yeah? Yeah, you
Speaker 2: didn't look at Killian Murphy and think, oh, why is
Speaker 2: he telling jokes when he's playing a guy who did Hiroshima.
Speaker 2: It wasn't the whole promo how hot he was. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and they were like Barbieheimer. Yeah, I was like no, literally,
Speaker 2: like still in the universe, they're Michols. This was not
Speaker 2: a good thing. So it's just a sympathetic take on
Speaker 2: the man who invented the nuclear bomb if you really
Speaker 2: think about it. Yeah, And I just think standards very
Speaker 2: different for stories told by women versus stories told by men.
Speaker 2: But anyway, people thought the whole Floral thing was a
Speaker 2: bit insensitive considering its movie about domestic violence. Now I
Speaker 2: understand she's in a tricky spot because she clearly she's like,
Speaker 2: I get the subject matter of what we've made, but
Speaker 2: I want people to go to the movies and see it.
Speaker 2: So it needs to be a fun summer flick. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and the genre of it ends with us. The book
Speaker 2: was almost marketed as like not a rom com because
Speaker 2: it's not comedy but commercial women's fiction or yeah whatever,
Speaker 2: It wasn't dark romance. That's not how very intentional in
Speaker 2: terms of market if you look at the cover. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I think you did that on purpose, because I
Speaker 2: think there's a clever analysis of the fact that getting
Speaker 2: people in thinking it's a love story and then it
Speaker 2: turning out to be something very different but domestic violence situations.
Speaker 2: To think that people you meet a monster and they're
Speaker 2: a monster immediately is not giving women enough credit. Like
Speaker 2: often it does start as what feels like a romantic
Speaker 2: love story and then it descends into something really sinister,
Speaker 2: and that's the point of the film. I think it
Speaker 2: was originally meant to come out on Valentine's Day, yeah,
Speaker 2: and then right yeah. So I think that maybe that's
Speaker 2: a little bit of a sign of some of the
Speaker 2: bubbling tension about how they were going to market and
Speaker 2: sell this film, whether it was a fun, girly movie
Speaker 2: or if it needed to be treated very differently because
Speaker 2: of the subject matter. Now, Blake Lively has been criticized
Speaker 2: a lot for this particular interview.
Speaker 4: Most of us, if we're lucky enough to run into
Speaker 4: a celebrity in public, we only have a few moments
Speaker 4: to maybe speak with you guys. But for people who
Speaker 4: see this movie, who relate to the topics of this
Speaker 4: movie on a deeply personal level, they're really going to
Speaker 4: want to talk to you. This movie is going to
Speaker 4: affect people, and they're going to want to tell you
Speaker 4: about their life. So if someone understands the themes of
Speaker 4: this movie comes across you in public and they want
Speaker 4: to really talk to you, what's the best way for
Speaker 4: them to be able to talk to you about this?
Speaker 4: How would you recommend they go about it?
Speaker 6: Like asking for my address or my phone number, or.
Speaker 4: Like my location share. I could just location share you
Speaker 4: and then we could I'm just curs social security number.
Speaker 4: I'm a virgos.
Speaker 3: I'm like, are we telling logistics?
Speaker 6: Are we talking emotionally?
Speaker 2: All right? In black Liveley's defense, it's a weird question.
Speaker 2: I could try and answer that question. Well, the question
Speaker 2: doesn't make sense. And this is the thing. Has she
Speaker 2: been snipping interviews? Yes, where the question is bad? Also, yes,
Speaker 2: I don't know what you're trying to ask her? Too
Speaker 2: many words? Write them down. I think that the correct answer,
Speaker 2: And I don't think it's fair to watch an interview
Speaker 2: and then say what the correct answer was. But the
Speaker 2: correct answer was. Here are some great domestic violence help lines.
Speaker 2: He's not what he asked, he didn't say. Where would
Speaker 2: you tell them to go, he asked. He said, if
Speaker 2: they approach you in public, yea, what would you say? Yeah,
Speaker 2: which I think is a gotcha because what are you
Speaker 2: meant to say? I think you meant to say.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 2: I understand that a lot of people are going to
Speaker 2: resonate with this film and just say like, I'm always
Speaker 2: happy to talk to people, blah blah blah, but there
Speaker 2: are some amazing services. Like a lot of these questions,
Speaker 2: they're designed as a bit of a gotcha. Yes, But
Speaker 2: I do think given the subject matter, I think maybe
Speaker 2: having a default response. Have you seen the rest of
Speaker 2: that interview? Because that clip that you just played has
Speaker 2: been going viral. Yeah, and if you extend it, she
Speaker 2: gives out exact answer okay, but no one shows you
Speaker 2: that because that makes it look like she's like making
Speaker 2: fun of the question. Domestic violence victims yeap, a response
Speaker 2: she's given a few times is a bit of a
Speaker 2: diversion of the subject matter of the movie. At the
Speaker 2: London premiere, she said, this movie covers domestic vie balance,
Speaker 2: but what's important about this movie is that she's not
Speaker 2: just a survivor, and she's not just a victim. While
Speaker 2: those are huge things, they're not her identity. She defines herself,
Speaker 2: and I think it's deeply empowering to remind people that
Speaker 2: no one can define you, no experience can define you.
Speaker 2: You define yourself again. That is the kind of thing
Speaker 2: that can be interpreted whichever way you want to interpret it,
Speaker 2: depending on that. There are domestic violence survivors who have
Speaker 2: said that they're upset by that. Really, yeah, that are like,
Speaker 2: I didn't choose to be defined by this. Like basically,
Speaker 2: depending on whether you're frustrated by her, whether you're not,
Speaker 2: you can read it. It's a Rosa's test. Rasch ak yeah,
Speaker 2: rauschak test. I can never say it, but they are
Speaker 2: the tests where yea, they see a donkey, a penist, yeah,
Speaker 2: depending on you, and a lot of people blake saying
Speaker 2: a penis yeah, but I think you're a donkey. She's
Speaker 2: worn a lot of florals, and at the New York
Speaker 2: premiere she wore a Vina name Is Blos wearing flows.
Speaker 2: She a vintage Vasatchi gown that Britney Spears originally wore
Speaker 2: in two thousand and two. She told people at the
Speaker 2: event it is Britney's actual dress and that it was
Speaker 2: a direct nod to Britney Spears because her song every
Speaker 2: Time is in the movie. People have been a bit
Speaker 2: snippy about that, like, oh, we're making it about Britney
Speaker 2: Spears and how we love Britney Spears and her dresses
Speaker 2: and blah blah blah. One had to wear a dress,
Speaker 2: she had to wear a dress, she had to wear something.
Speaker 2: She had to wear a dress with Floral. Her Name'szi Bloom.
Speaker 2: She ye, yeah, it's only so many dresses with Floral's.
Speaker 2: One promotional clip has her giggling with her co stars
Speaker 2: about zodiac signs. Another has her talking about wearing her
Speaker 2: own clothes in the movie so she must exclusively yes,
Speaker 2: and another has her talking about the music. Basically, her
Speaker 2: interviews have been very very light in terms of the music.
Speaker 2: She was asked about a Lana del Rey song that
Speaker 2: plays in the film, and she says, they begged me
Speaker 2: to take that song out of the movie. I like
Speaker 2: the of the word they I'm not supposed to be
Speaker 2: talking about this, but they felt like it was too
Speaker 2: charged and heavy and things were still good with Ryle
Speaker 2: at that point, And she goes on to explain why
Speaker 2: she thought it was a good choice, just interesting because
Speaker 2: you can see the creative tensions. Yeah, because they is Justin.
Speaker 2: It is and I blocked they on Instagram. Yeah, Blake,
Speaker 2: we know. Yeah. Well, when she's asked directly about Baldoni,
Speaker 2: which she has been a few times, she deflects. For example,
Speaker 2: Blake talk to.
Speaker 4: Me about building trust with Justin, which I imagine would
Speaker 4: be crucial when filming some of those more difficult personal scenes.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean, this movie was was such a challenge because
Speaker 3: you know, you have the scenes that are you know,
Speaker 3: deeply painful and traumatic and physical, but you also have
Speaker 3: scenes that are full of levity and light and romance.
Speaker 3: And normally when I see this type of character like
Speaker 3: Ryle on screen, you know what's going to happen, and
Speaker 3: you're like, ah, that guy's full of red flags.
Speaker 2: But like, you know, so she doesn't acknowledge him at all.
Speaker 2: Something that I have seen said about Blake Lively, which
Speaker 2: is true. It is not a value judgment, but it
Speaker 2: is she likes to list things, so she likes to
Speaker 2: be like her character is and then list seventeen shrakes.
Speaker 6: Beauty and youth and hard work and determination and strength.
Speaker 6: And she was in touch with her sexuality and her
Speaker 6: a story that's emotional and it's fun and it's funny,
Speaker 6: and it's painful, and it's scary and it's tragic and
Speaker 6: it's inspiring.
Speaker 2: A lot of people do. Yeah. It's a way of
Speaker 2: filling time without saying much, because there would be a
Speaker 2: lot that she can't talk about or she doesn't want to,
Speaker 2: and she's just got to fill the five minutes with
Speaker 2: that particular person. I get it. Answering the same questions, Jesse,
Speaker 2: there are some amazing parodies of Blake Lively on this
Speaker 2: press tour.
Speaker 4: What was it like working with Justin Baldoni bald? No,
Speaker 4: my husband, Ryan Reynolds is not bald but he did.
Speaker 4: We write the script during the writer stray, why is
Speaker 4: it important for people to see this movie in a theater?
Speaker 4: Because community is so important. I want the movie theater
Speaker 4: to feel like one big dance party with your girls.
Speaker 4: I mean, what's a more fun song to dance to
Speaker 4: than My Tears?
Speaker 2: Ricochet?
Speaker 4: What would you like audiences to take away from such
Speaker 4: a serious and sensitive film?
Speaker 2: Flowers Say what you like about her, but the marketing
Speaker 2: has objectively on any spreadsheet, according to anyone worked, So
Speaker 2: what of that worked for her? Or worked for the film.
Speaker 2: Isn't there only one way it can work? Well, I
Speaker 2: don't I think for people to go to the cinemas
Speaker 2: to see the film. Yes, and people have gone to
Speaker 2: the cinemas to see the film she made about domestic violence.
Speaker 2: I have not known as many people to decide to
Speaker 2: go to the theater for a long time as I
Speaker 2: have in the last two weeks. So whatever Blake's doing,
Speaker 2: even if she's wearing dresses and answering questions, however, she's
Speaker 2: made people go to the movies, which is her job.
Speaker 2: She also has tried to sell her mother things. Ah,
Speaker 2: let's talk about cross promo. People think it's insensitive that
Speaker 2: Lively appears to be using it Ends with Us to
Speaker 2: promote her other business ventures. She launched Blake Brown her
Speaker 2: hair care line on Instagram. While on the It Ends
Speaker 2: with Us press tour, she also did a crossover event
Speaker 2: with her drinks company, Betty Buzz, which she tied into
Speaker 2: the movie with a Betty Blooms theme, and she posted
Speaker 2: about it. You know what, I actually find the Betty
Speaker 2: Buzz Blooms slightly more uncomfortable than anything to do with hair,
Speaker 2: because if we're talking about domestic violence and alcohol. Well, yes,
Speaker 2: I think the most uncomfortable part is that during an
Speaker 2: after party for the it MS with Us premiere, she
Speaker 2: decided to promote her drinks company by setting up an
Speaker 2: entire themed event centered around our alcohol and cocktail names
Speaker 2: relating to the film Jesse, Yeah, cocktails. Okay, so that
Speaker 2: is like the caption of the Instagram post, these are
Speaker 2: the cocktails. We have a blooming Betty Rile. You wait,
Speaker 2: it ends with buzz Tom Colleen's I don't get it.
Speaker 2: I guess like Colleen Hoover. Oh yeah yeah. Or if
Speaker 2: you need something a little easier, that's just as tasty,
Speaker 2: pick up a buzzy mocktail. Yeah see, I was listening
Speaker 2: to something recently. A researcher on domestic violence and the
Speaker 2: relationship between alcohol and domestic violence can't be denied. I
Speaker 2: wouldn't be naming a cocktail after Ryal. Yes. There were
Speaker 2: a lot of comments that said things like, what a
Speaker 2: gross way to exploit a movie about domestic violence. People
Speaker 2: with alcohol issues are six times more likely to abuse
Speaker 2: their partners. Promoting a film with such a powerful DV
Speaker 2: theme with an alcohol brand is disappointing and disrespectful. The
Speaker 2: other cross promo element is that she's really we in
Speaker 2: Ryan Reynolds and Deadpool. So yeah, she's just trying to
Speaker 2: do Barberheimer. Yes, people have accused her of exactly that.
Speaker 2: Reynolds appeared in a skit where he jokingly interviewed Blake
Speaker 2: Lively's love interest in the movie Atlas. Yeah, the guy
Speaker 2: who plays Atlas, and it's just very I don't know.
Speaker 2: I guess my question is do we need any more
Speaker 2: Ryan Reynolds content for a project? He is not directly
Speaker 2: say what you like about the man, but they are
Speaker 2: number one. Okay, everyone's talking about Deadpool, Wolf Wolverine. Is
Speaker 2: that one? Yeah? Two? Yes, which is Ryan Reynolds and
Speaker 2: Hugh Jackman, and that's number one. And then it ends
Speaker 2: with us as number two. No, no, no, no, it ends
Speaker 2: with us has overtaken the opening weekend Deadpool one. Okay.
Speaker 2: I heard Blake say something about it. So anyway, they've
Speaker 2: been the top two, right, and they're trying to have
Speaker 2: another Barbiekheimer moment and everyone's like, yeah, but this movie
Speaker 2: is too serious again Oppenheimer drop a nuclear bomb? Yes, yes,
Speaker 2: great that he went for four hours and it was
Speaker 2: set somewhere where it was all these scientists being like,
Speaker 2: I don't think we should create this, and then then
Speaker 2: it'll be in the world. See it after Barbie or before,
Speaker 2: get yourself a cocktail, have some popcorn, Barbie Heimer, where
Speaker 2: you pink that man killed hundreds of thousands of people.
Speaker 2: They needed to make laws where they said, don't we
Speaker 2: know we made it, But just because you can doesn't
Speaker 2: mean you should. Jesse an awkward moment from twenty sixteen.
Speaker 2: In the midst of all of this, an interview from
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen has gone viral, which is the most Internet
Speaker 2: thing about all of this? Is it? Then we start
Speaker 2: dredging up? Hey, what about other times when Blake Lively
Speaker 2: has been less than ideal. Norwegian journalist Kirsty Flaher shared
Speaker 2: an interview she did with Lively during promo for the
Speaker 2: film Cafe Society, which is a Woody Allen film. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I've watched this interview for Yeah. Well, let's just drop
Speaker 2: the fact it's a Woody Allen film. We'll leave that,
Speaker 2: but we have stated it FA like Scardro you need
Speaker 2: to spend some time with our Scar Joe Cancel episode
Speaker 2: in private. I will I will. Fla said the interview
Speaker 2: made me want to quit my job. The interview opens
Speaker 2: with her congratulating Lively on her little bump, referring to
Speaker 2: her pregnancy, which Blake had announced Yep, she was like
Speaker 2: quite pregnant, to which Lively congratulated Fla, who was not pregnant,
Speaker 2: on her little bump. Then Flaw asks about the costumes
Speaker 2: worn in the film, and Lively seems offended and questions
Speaker 2: whether the interviewer would ask the same thing of the
Speaker 2: men in the film. The interviewer has now done press
Speaker 2: of her own talking about that interview and said, basically,
Speaker 2: I still don't get why she was offended that I
Speaker 2: mentioned her pregnancy. So a lot of the commentary is
Speaker 2: saying that posey Parker, who's a woman next to her,
Speaker 2: was also rude. I didn't think she was rude. I
Speaker 2: thought that she was trying to salvage the interview. No,
Speaker 2: I thought both of them were rude.
Speaker 4: Really.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they spoke to each other instead of to the interviewer. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but I thought that that was posy Parker kind of
Speaker 2: trying to make up for I thought that she was
Speaker 2: doing damage control. I think if you watch it again,
Speaker 2: you can see it through the prism of she knows
Speaker 2: the situation is uncomfortable, and she's trying to kind of
Speaker 2: plicate both of them. I don't know, but the interviewer
Speaker 2: has also said she still doesn't understand why Blake Lively
Speaker 2: was upset about the costume question. It's very normal to
Speaker 2: ask yeah about costumes. Yeah, look, I don't think Blake
Speaker 2: was her best self in that interview. I think she
Speaker 2: would agree, And I thought, oh, this is Baldoni's pr team, Yeah,
Speaker 2: doing a little dig. But then I went back and
Speaker 2: realized that that interviewer just decided to share that footage
Speaker 2: for the first time. Yeah, I don't even think she
Speaker 2: was fully aware of how much this moment already was
Speaker 2: hating on Blake, and then she released that to be like,
Speaker 2: I've had a terrible experience with a celebrity interview, and
Speaker 2: then she ruined blake'slast yes whoops. Well, onto theories. The
Speaker 2: vibe is Paul maligned Baldoni. He just wanted to make
Speaker 2: a movie about domestic violence, and now all these horrible,
Speaker 2: annoying women have made it about frivolous things. Don't you
Speaker 2: hate women? That seems to be the situation. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: go and see the film with your golfriends. In your florals,
Speaker 2: get the message, shed a tear and then walk out
Speaker 2: and go. But that Blake Lively is a bitch, and
Speaker 2: I think that that is a message of the film.
Speaker 2: Blake Lively's a bitch and Colleen who is siding with
Speaker 2: the wrong person about her own work. But that Justin
Speaker 2: Baldoni what a bloke. Slow clap for the only man
Speaker 2: in the jesse. This is like the TikTok that's just
Speaker 2: been going viral, and it's a compilation of Justin Baldoni
Speaker 2: doing press versus Blake Lively doing press. Oh great a compilation.
Speaker 2: There's never any bias in her that. No, it's not
Speaker 2: like you intentionally choose particular moments and then put music
Speaker 2: over it. This is your night, mister.
Speaker 5: No, this isn't my night.
Speaker 1: This is a night for all the women who we
Speaker 1: made this movie for. This is a night for Blake.
Speaker 1: This is so much.
Speaker 5: And when you're touched and moved by something like as
Speaker 5: deeply as I was by this book, it just kind
Speaker 5: of comes naturally. Yes, this is a movie about love
Speaker 5: and hope, but that we don't shy away from the issue.
Speaker 6: It is for Saucy Dress two thousand and two. The
Speaker 6: butterfly dress.
Speaker 2: It meant so much to me because of.
Speaker 4: What she meant she was So.
Speaker 2: You have to admit the note about Blake Lively listening things.
Speaker 2: She does like to list an adjective, which is fine.
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Speaker 2: unlikely place, which is a result of at Google search.
Speaker 2: The earliest species of the Homo genus appeared around two
Speaker 2: million to one point four million BCE. Current evidence supports
Speaker 2: modern Homo sapiens appearing around nineteen thousand BCE. What I
Speaker 2: am trying to say is that humans have been around
Speaker 2: for a bit, right, Yeah, Blake Lively in particular, her
Speaker 2: crime is clear and that is existing at the precise
Speaker 2: same moment. That's TikTok, which has been around for only
Speaker 2: maybe eight years, but really only five. Yeah, so the
Speaker 2: chances of Blake lively overlapping with TikTok very unlike MM
Speaker 2: and yet it's some bad luck. Also another crime. We
Speaker 2: all get snippy in our jobs, Claire, when I was pregnant,
Speaker 2: the amount of times I nearly yelled loudly, mind you,
Speaker 2: I hate your face to literal strangers. I felt so angry.
Speaker 2: I was not proud of who I was. I was
Speaker 2: shiny in the face. It's not relevant. My back hurt.
Speaker 2: Everyone kept telling me my life was about to get shit,
Speaker 2: and I was like, everyone, fuck right off. Blake got
Speaker 2: snippy in front of the camera, which is a shame
Speaker 2: because the camera was recording. And in her defense, she
Speaker 2: was pregnant. She was pregnant, she was shitty. She's like, oh,
Speaker 2: congratulations on my bump. I hate you and everyone. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: why am I working? I'm tired. Her bump was fairly little.
Speaker 2: She probably still in the I need to vomit stage,
Speaker 2: still in the I need sixteen hours sleep and I'm
Speaker 2: still shitty stage. Yeah. True, and no one's talking about that.
Speaker 2: My sentence, you can't get sniffy with strangers, only with
Speaker 2: people who love the unconditionally. Okay, so get sniffy with Ryan,
Speaker 2: get snippy with you can use some sess. I think
Speaker 2: he could too, because Wolverine is going well, he needs
Speaker 2: to be knocked down a peg. Yes, and that's why
Speaker 2: I treat you like shit. Yeah, you might have noticed.
Speaker 2: We just yelled at each other during our pregnancies to
Speaker 2: save everyone else from bearing the brunt of unhinged emotion.
Speaker 2: You should be able to hire someone to be snippy. Yes,
Speaker 2: actually during pregnancy that should be a gift. Oh I'm
Speaker 2: pregnant and then you go HI and hire someone what
Speaker 2: for You'll see You'll see, oh what just so much
Speaker 2: to talk to? Yeah, but you can say anything anything.
Speaker 2: I hate your face. Yeah, and we don't do it
Speaker 2: to Norwegian journalists, not when there's a camera rolling. No,
Speaker 2: absolutely not, Jesse. So your sentences, hire someone, hire someone
Speaker 2: to be a bit to it without a camera rolling,
Speaker 2: because I don't know. She's been pregnant like four times. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's just a lot of times to be pregnant. I
Speaker 2: don't know if that was two, three, four. She's tired,
Speaker 2: she's shitty. Mm. She didn't want you to see that interview.
Speaker 2: I don't think. No, I don't think so either, Jesse.
Speaker 2: My vibe is this. I think this whole story is
Speaker 2: such good evidence of how much we love to hate
Speaker 2: a woman. That's so we love it, and this all
Speaker 2: going viral. It's just people being like, oh, yes, I've
Speaker 2: been waiting to hate Blake Lively ever since gossip Girl,
Speaker 2: not ever since Gossip Girl, ever since Sisterhood of the
Speaker 2: Trailing Pass Rag Unfinished. Just before Yeah, I had my
Speaker 2: ray Gun moment. Yeah, that was dying off. I felt it.
Speaker 2: I felt the momentum. Yeah, because the Olympics are over,
Speaker 2: so just so hating on ray Gun felt a little
Speaker 2: over the top. Yeah. Then just as that was dipping.
Speaker 2: Oh it's a new person to hate. Yeah, yeah, so
Speaker 2: we hate Blake. I think this is the kind of
Speaker 2: thing where, six months down the track, we're gonna look
Speaker 2: at it and think, hold on, hold on, why were
Speaker 2: we so mad? Were we mad because Blake Lively wasn't
Speaker 2: fully serious enough, didn't answer questions in the right way
Speaker 2: given she was in a movie about domestic violence. I
Speaker 2: think the sting of this is going to pass very quickly. Yes,
Speaker 2: and we'll think that was a wild time, a little
Speaker 2: bit over the top, But the thing about cancel culture
Speaker 2: is we'll kind of realize that, but everyone will still
Speaker 2: feel a bit funny about Blake for reasons they can't
Speaker 2: quite articulate. Yeah, and they'll keep bringing up the old
Speaker 2: stuff because they keep going she stole Ryan from Sky
Speaker 2: Joe Plantation wedding. By the way, if those things, they're
Speaker 2: ringing a bell and you need your context. Blake Lively,
Speaker 2: our canceled episode on Blake Lively one of the most
Speaker 2: listened to ever, which I will say is telling go
Speaker 2: listen to that. Yeah, and then we've also got a
Speaker 2: Ryan Reynolds episode, so listen to that in the back catalog.
Speaker 2: We'll have links in our show notes if you need
Speaker 2: to know all of the context. We don't have Justin
Speaker 2: because he's just not that. He's just not that. Let's
Speaker 2: just say, if it was just Justin doing the primo,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be watching that movie this weekend. Yeah. True. Anyway,
Speaker 2: So my charge is basically, guys, you just want to
Speaker 2: takee a woman and my sentences guys, chill, Actually everybody chill,
Speaker 2: really yeah, chill. But then what are we meant to
Speaker 2: do on TikTok? That's the thing, isn't it is that
Speaker 2: it's still fun. We need to do things on TikTok. Yeah,
Speaker 2: often people run out. I wonder if this has broken
Speaker 2: a record for the amount of content about the same thing.
Speaker 2: Probably anyway, in the rule book it's been added. Guys, enough,
Speaker 2: now chill before we go. We have a lazy girl
Speaker 2: story from Reagan. Ah, she said, Jessy, is it that Reagan. No,
Speaker 2: that's a different one. It's not going to the Olympics.
Speaker 2: Is not a very laser girl. No, there is no
Speaker 2: lazy girl in our community who has made it to
Speaker 2: the Olympic. True. Ah, maybe Reagun Sorry continue, No, Hi, girls.
Speaker 2: I drive a car from twenty eleven, and at some
Speaker 2: point there was a recall because apparently it's quite easy
Speaker 2: to break into. I've received dozens of letters from the
Speaker 2: car manufacturer letting me know that I can stop buy
Speaker 2: a local dealership to get a free part to prevent
Speaker 2: my car from being broken into. Have I gone to
Speaker 2: pick up the part?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 2: Is the dealership literally an eight minute drive from my
Speaker 2: house and right by the grocery shop I go to weekly. Yes,
Speaker 2: eight minutes. We'll just keep hoping no one wants to
Speaker 2: steal my thirteen year old car. Instead love Reagan. She's
Speaker 2: a lazy girl. Okay. So I had a similar experience
Speaker 2: to this, not my car. Didn't own a car Rory's car,
Speaker 2: and it was actually more of a safety issue in
Speaker 2: the air bag was faulty, and so you could take
Speaker 2: it and get it fixed. So what you've given me
Speaker 2: car company, you've given me a job. It's a job.
Speaker 2: I get a little joy from it. Just because it's free,
Speaker 2: doesn't mean I want to do it. No, your it
Speaker 2: sounds like a U problem. That sounds like a U problem.
Speaker 2: On what I need is for you to pick up
Speaker 2: the car, take it, get it fixed, bring it back
Speaker 2: to me without any inconvenience on a day I don't
Speaker 2: need my car. I just think Reagan's a bit like
Speaker 2: well my thoughts. Sometimes I walk away from my car
Speaker 2: and I go, did I lock it? And I go?
Speaker 2: Even if I didn't? One seems hard to steal a car. Yeah,
Speaker 2: nothing valuable in it. So I think Reagan is just
Speaker 2: doing a cost benefit analysis and she's like, the benefits
Speaker 2: of making sure my car locks aren't that great. Aren't
Speaker 2: that great when you don't have any valuables? I mean,
Speaker 2: the car is valuable, but you know it needs a
Speaker 2: new part. That's what insurance is for. I feel like
Speaker 2: she should just put a note in the car being
Speaker 2: like steal it, but no, it comes with the job,
Speaker 2: and that is that you have just broken into it
Speaker 2: because I haven't got the part that makes it lot.
Speaker 2: And so if you truly believe that you can go
Speaker 2: and do that job, steal it and no one will
Speaker 2: steal it. Claire, do you remember there was a recall
Speaker 2: on a car that mum used to drive, and it said,
Speaker 2: and this is the thing. I think cars with recalls
Speaker 2: are a lazy girl's kryptonite because they didn't do any
Speaker 2: research of it, and so they just go, all right, fine,
Speaker 2: I'll get that car anyway. Mum gets this shit a
Speaker 2: box of a car and I'm in the car with
Speaker 2: her and it's thirty five degrees and we're like, yeah, yeah, recall,
Speaker 2: like what, we didn't even read the fine bring no.
Speaker 2: And I was finishing my makeup and she went inside
Speaker 2: to do something and I was still sitting there and
Speaker 2: it was getting pretty hot in the car, and I
Speaker 2: was like, I'm just going to open the door. It's
Speaker 2: getting pretty hot. And then I was like, oh shit,
Speaker 2: I'm locked in now. People are going to say you
Speaker 2: can unlock it from the inside.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: No, this was why there was a recall, because you
Speaker 2: can't unlock it from the inside. Yeah, what did I do?
Speaker 2: He smashed the winter I'm quick to panic. You decided
Speaker 2: you were a baby in a hot car. I did,
Speaker 2: and you needed to. I've actually never panicked so much
Speaker 2: my whole life. I couldn't see the solution. I got
Speaker 2: really hot in like twenty seconds. I was like, we're talking,
Speaker 2: I'm melting. I'm so hot, I'm actually sweating. And then
Speaker 2: I was like, there's no one around, and there wasn't.
Speaker 2: We were in the blistering heat in the middle of
Speaker 2: summer and there was no one around, and they'd all
Speaker 2: gone into this thing, a social thing that was going
Speaker 2: to happen for an hour. And I was like, there,
Speaker 2: come back, and I'm just not here anymore. So I
Speaker 2: tried to punch the glass and I couldn't. I tried
Speaker 2: to kick it, couldn't. At this point, I was like,
Speaker 2: I'm aloud of my tears and I'm really tired and
Speaker 2: hot and dehydrated. At this point three if it had
Speaker 2: been three, it'd been like forty five seconds, And I
Speaker 2: was like, what one of them came out to just
Speaker 2: see you standing outside the car and you smashed wind.
Speaker 2: Do you know how I smashed the window? You grab
Speaker 2: something heavy. So I was looking everywhere because I was like,
Speaker 2: there's nothing here. And then under the seat I found
Speaker 2: a steel water bottle and then I banged it and
Speaker 2: banged it. Do you offer to pay? No? No, no,
Speaker 2: no no, because I was like, this car is faulty,
Speaker 2: and so I went bang bang bang. And there was
Speaker 2: an issue too. I think I tried to beat the horn,
Speaker 2: but you couldn't beat the horn, and I think that
Speaker 2: was another product. Couldn't beat the horn with the car off,
Speaker 2: I'm gang it. But the most embarrassing beard was as
Speaker 2: I was crawling through the broken window and there was
Speaker 2: glasses everywhere. Is this the couple walked past, I was
Speaker 2: like the ring. I was with the ring crawling out
Speaker 2: because I was wet, you know, when you know you
Speaker 2: look panicked. So I walked out and I was just
Speaker 2: like standing on the thing, and they were like, oh
Speaker 2: my goodness, what happened? And I was like nothing. And
Speaker 2: then everyone in this event where they were like, I
Speaker 2: think your car got broken into and I was like, yeah, mom,
Speaker 2: the car's been broken into Jesse, why do you have
Speaker 2: blood on your shins from climbing out a car windows?
Speaker 2: I don't know. Ah, Anyway, I'm alive ready, top Tail.
Speaker 2: That's all we've got time for on today's episode of Canceled.
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Speaker 2: of Canceled is Toelyissa Bizaz, with audio editing by Tomline.
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